What topic, show, or movies should I cover next? It’s worth pointing out the writers mess with Andy again in the later seasons, to less success and create an entirely different problem.
Andy fearing he might be gay and Jim telling him he needs to sleep with a woman and a man in the same night to find out, is one of my favorite Andy moments. Also, the bloopers for that scene are hilarious.
@@StreetNoise The last two seasons shift Andy from an likable idiot to a frustrating prick again. He disappears for two months sailing, breaking up with Erin, and in turn he becomes bitter, petty, and self-destructive. This culminates in the not-American-Idol audition where he has a breakdown on camera and becomes an unfortunate meme.
One of my favorite lines in the office is when Michael is saying goodbye to everyone. He gives Andy his clients and says "But you're the best salesman on the inside. You sold us all on Andy, a product that nobody wanted." That line always warms my heart
I've always liked Andy, my favorite scene with Andy was when Robert California made a winners and losers list of everyone in the office. Andy was upset about the list and sat down with Robert and went through the losers list, for each name, he said a reason as to why that person was not a loser. In my opinion it's a underrated scene and says a lot about andy's character
Despite what was done to him towards the end, mainly due to Ed Helms' schedule, the finale did a lot to redeem him. He even got one of the best lines: “I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them."
Season 9 was Andy's worst season but it did provide one of his best quotes. "I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them. Someone should write a song about that."
Reminds me of a scene from the movie “The Boat that Rocked”. If I recall, the guys are hanging out in the boat around drinks, and the main character goes outside to find Philip Seymour Hoffman sitting alone staring at the stars. The latter talks about how he had a terrifying thought; “What if, right now, this is the best time of my life? What comes next?” or something like that.
@@OGitGirlJess I am guessing the writers wanted the whole new jim to get with the new secretrary. I will also point out that Micheal does say neither when mentioning Gabe and Andy when she asks him which one to choose
Ria LeDuc But The new Jim and her weren’t together at the wedding either 🤔🤔 And Yea, you’re right Micheal said neither, I never thought of that, good point. I guess also Andy had fallen so low at that point that Erin wouldn’t have wanted any parts of that 😩
100% true. He did an excellent job with character, in a lesser actors hands he would have been a total joke or hated but Ed sheer talent and the ability to be funny but play the role with heart made Andy my favourite character when on paper he really shouldn’t have been.
I don’t like how “normal” characters in The Office start becoming crazier as they start appearing more. Like Jen or David. At the beginning those characters help to construct the idea of normality that will be broken by Michael, Dwight or someone who’s a caricature. Without normality there’s nothing to break.
they created the worst character, then fixed him and he became one of the most likeable characters and in the end the last season writers destroyed him completely
devaneios by nate I wonder if they did that so when Dwight was promoted to branch manager, you could actually feel good about it. I mean the first time Dwight is temporary branch manager, you can feel the panic, like how is anyone going to keep working there.
Sarah Hunter probably, but anyway this is poor writing, and once i heard that the way they treated andy was a vengeance against ed helms, cause he was always leaving the show (temporary) to shot some movie, but this is just speculation
That’s who he always was look at this why he has anger issues and is mean too people. He came back for anger management and it seemed to help for a why’ll. But with recent pressure of his parents resenting him the pressure of the management job and not feeling loved by Angela or Erin brought the old Andy right back. We may not like it but it’s good writing and it’s not a flaw with the writing it’s who Andy is. When he came back he was still kinda of an idiot just putting on an act too fit in as time went on he genuinely liked everyone and everyone liked him enough for Jim to say he likes him as manger. And I believe Andy wanted to change but you can’t break old habits.
Andy Bernard was my least favorite character for the whole show. He took up other characters screen time and his horrible relationship with Erin. When he became regional manager, it made the show unwatchable, until season 9. I loved those episodes where we could have character development without Andy calling himself nard dog and random outburst of singing. Andy sucks.
@@Sullo-su7nm I completely agree. It's so relieving to finally find someone who views his character like I do! He was the only character in the show where it felt like the writers really forced you to want to like. He was too overbearing, too nosey, too loud, and too much of a "yes" man. There was maybe a small handful of episodes where I found his character entertaining (S3E13, The Return for one), but I spent most of my time wishing he'd leave the show for good.
The garden party episode really "fixed" him for me. It showed how human he is and helped us sympathize with his drive for attention - because he isn't valued in his own family.
Everybody talking about how they ruined Eirin and Andy relationship in season 9 but to me it was worst how they ruined Darryl and Andy friendship. Their friendship was one of the things I liked the best about those two characters and season's 9 Darryl avoiding Andy in the airport felt like that friendship development was for nothing!
i think that was because Darryl actually really liked Andy a lot, so it would have been too painful. like when he tried to sneak out his last day so he wouldn't say goodbye (and got roped into the most amazing dance sequence), and how Michael lied about his last day so he wouldn't have to say goodbyes.
I was never a big Andy fan but my favorite episode with Andy was when he went to pay off the bet by getting a tattoo on his butt and everyone decided on a Nard dog. That episode was very touching and made Andy a part of the family.
My all time favorite Andy quote: “You, me, bar, beers, buzzed, wings, shots, drunk, waitresses hot, football Cornell/Hosfstra, slaughter, then quick nap at my place and then we hit the tizzown.”
[ Insert Name Here ] I’m sure you’ve rewatched the office as well but it took me time to notice that Andy was never good enough for Erin. He fell short. I liked Andy but people forget he has anger issues,parent issues,self esteem issues, and the way he treats others was wrong when we met him and wrong when he came back from his leadership retreat and was being mean to nelly, dude couldn’t ask out Erin for so long, there’s way more
I wonder if that was purposefully done by the writers. We started off by hating Andy, and then the writers made his character story end with us hating him again. Just a theory!
I mean plop and Erin were turned into the new Pam and Jim. And I kinda liked that idea. That even when the staff changes...the stories would stay the same. New faces, but the circle carries on. That said...yea nah they totally ruined Andy which sucked.
Ed Helms breathed life in Nard-dog’s character with his skills as an actor, a singer, an acapella artist and his talent of playing various musical instruments. I wish they wouldn’t have spoiled his character so badly by the end of the series. Andy Bernard didn’t deserve such a horrible end of his character arc after all those ups and downs.
The way they shifted Andy’s character was unbelievable. Specifically in the last seasons. He was a nuisance. Then became relatable. Then was truly destroyed. Then in, again, one episode, the last episode made him the character that everyone remembered.
@@thejonker6980 And then "some should write a song about that"😥, he should've wrote that song but he got his spirits crushed. Even though I didn't like him so much in the 9th season, he didn't deserve all of that, especially since he didn't get paid for his viral video
I liked him the most when he invited everyone to watch his play. He strikes me as someone who is somewhat talented (can do everything on a base level) but doesn't manage to achieve anything. It's nice the show gave him the ability to sing and play musical instruments, and act on stage plays. I would love to see him do more stuff with kevin/darrel/oscar/toby/pam. He could've gone the similar route as pam going to art school where it doesn't happen off screen
He's a Daffy Duck character. Daffy would always get into a skills competition with Bugs Bunny and he could do everything well, but nobody liked him. Daffy would get in front of an audience and just kill it with dancing, but when it was over, crickets. Bugs Bunny would dance at a much lower level in front of the same audience and they roared.
I have to say the way Andy ended up on the series in seasons 8 and 9, completely ruins his character development for me in repeated viewings of the series. He turned out to be such a jerk to Nellie and Erin and became so completely self-absorbed, I completely lost any compassion I had for him. He did have that great line in the last episode that showed his remorse for his past behavior, but it was too little too late for me. That being said, Ed Helms was fantastic on that show.
Yes, that's what I thought when I first started watching DVDs - 5 years after it left the air. Ed Helms is a great actor and was really engaging even when he was playing such an obnoxiously unlikeable jerk.
I dont know if you got the answer but it was because the actor wanted to leave during in the middle of the last season and the writers didnt like that.
Ed Helms took a break from the show to film a movie, so they said his character sailed a boat around the Caribbean, I believe. When he came back, he was a mix of an asshole, and a douche bag. He was mean, spiteful, vindictive, nothing like his character before he left, and even worse than he originally was. Instead of just kinda being a jerk, whose antics, and anger issues, really only caused problems for himself; someone you could tolerate, but probably only in small doses, to someone who was actively, and purposefully trying to hurt others, through words, and actions. It was honestly hard to watch at times because some of the stuff he did was SO mean spirited, and done solely to bring others down. I don't know if I'm explaining it right, but it really undid all of the work the show had previously done to reform his character. Then he left again before the final however many episodes, but returned for the finale, somewhat remorseful for his actions, an obviously a broken man, whose behavior, outbursts, and sudden immaturity, had literally turned him into a meme. It was sad to see his character, who many, myself included, had learned to not only like, but genuinely root for, a sympathetic man, who just wanted to be liked, accepted, and ultimately loved, into a somewhat vile human being, who clearly derived joy from watching others fail. Again, that's just my take on it, I'm sure there's far bigger fans than me who can answer it much better. Now if you had question about "It's Always Sunny", then I'm definitely your girl. Hope that helped. ☺
The Office writers: "Watch us take an unlikeable character and make them likeable throughout the series" Also The Office writers: " Now watch us make him extremely unlikeable in one season" As a side note, the last episode redeemed him again
Gah agree all the way. He was bad untill a little after his anger management, and then got put right back into the unlikeablness after he got back from his boat trip. He was focused on way too much at the end and his plot lines were annoying, and then he was humbled again right there in the finale.
He was never like that he was calm and shit when he was a manager and the only reason they fucked up his character in the last season is cause he went to go film The hangover series
One of the most frustraiting parts of the entire series was Andy and Erin's relationship. The writers did a good job at creating the tension between the two at the start and the kiss scene at the compost site was like justification for what Angela did to him. But then they made Erin freak out when he didn't tell her he was engaged to Angela resulting in a bizarre hookup with Gabe and things just kept snowballing into a mess. Gabe would threaten Andy after Erin broke up with him. Then Andy was promoted to manager so the writers started writing him in Michael Scott situations that didn't fit his character. Erin then confessed her feelings to Andy, but Andy randomly had this long time girlfriend we had no idea about. So Erin leaves her life to escape to Florida. Andy drops his life to confess to Erin, resulting in making them both look like scumbags since Andy had to breakup with this other girl. When they return the relationship is caught in stasis since Andy needs to get his job back and when he does... Season 9. That season made Andy a bigger asshole than he's ever been in order to push the viewer to sympathize for Erin and this new Jim character, Pete. The relationship was pointless since there was no payoff.
@@shelbyseelbach9568 Then I guess you're not very good at assumptions considering I've dated plenty. Sounds more like emotion analysis though like I struck a nerve. It's a fictional TV show. The Office US went off track from the reality based Office UK after season 1. When I use the term "payoff" I was referring to the shows story arcs. Even Michael and Jan had a payoff with the dinner episode.
@@bowmen82 same feel, it's like they tried to recreate the "will they won't they" conflict that happened to Jim and Pam, except it felt SO forced and unjustified
@@shelbyseelbach9568 incorrect.. Even in real-life a relationship has a pay-off, good or bad. It starts with 1 moment that defines your relationship, which ultimately breaks that relationship as a result or makes it stronger than before. Since life has up's and downs it's to be expected. Now if we talk about relationships in A TV SHOW, then we know they have "pay-offs" and arcs. It either has the character change from self-centered, to being more sympathetic and grow some sorta empathy for those around them, it also can cause major conflicts in their lives. A relationship is a plot device to help 2 characters having jarring changes. One can become more confident, the other more submissive. Erin and Andy had NONE of it. It would go from one end to the next and wouldn't truly feel like a relationship should or would. Jim and Pam had a pay-off. It had a set-up and it took many moons to culminate. Where both would constantly show each other that they are happiest in each other's company. That they try their hardest to push their limits and become better people. Jim even starts his own business in a bid to make a Better life for his wife and kids. Jim supported Pam to go to Art school so she wouldn't feel regrets, knowing that she gave it her all. This, in turn, gave Pam more confidence, and turned her from a more reserved and meek character into a brazen character who managed to lie about a position and its salary and making it real. Old Pam never would have accomplished that. This is what the relationship tool is used for. It has a pay-off in a TV Show and has defined and clear arcs.
Andy as manager, sucking up to Robert California, being as naive yet a strong leader-like presence in Season 8 was gold for me. That was my favorite Andy.
Disagree, especially as the manager. The next manager should have been the opposite of Michael. Great actor he is, but the writers didn't have a clue after Steve left which was their fault.
I really liked manager andy too! I didn't mind he wasnt that different from Michael because he was different enough. He's calmer, more productive and a bit less goofy, but still a bit ridiculous. It was so interesting seeing him struggld then find his footing. His moments of being an actual great manager were so relevant character-wise.
@@Journey24215I don't know, i don't think an opposite of Michael would've been very funny. Andy was like an insecure michael-ish goof, seeing him find his footing was really fun
@@eloweez8798 i actually thought he was quite similar to michael in a good way - he was like what michael was becoming in s7, where he'd actually grown close to everyone and learned to respect boundaries and listen to people but still had some of the goofiness that keeps the place interesting. we didn't have to watch andy change and learn a bunch as manager because we'd already watched him come so far from where he started, and if carrell hadn't left i think that would be where the show was going anyway. if the new manager had been as incompetent/insensitive as s1 michael it would've felt like they were rebooting the show, whereas andy basically just being a friend boss trying to get robert california to like him was a sweet wrap-up
Andy was genuinely sweet after anger management and especially once he broke up with Angela. I hated him at first but then he pretty much became my favorite character and I would defend him to the death. Season 9 was a travesty.
One of the best quotes in The Office and said by Andy Bernard: "I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them." This also fits the way they treated Andy's character in season 9.
@@rsmit11 he came back soon to be hired, everyone thought he was homeless and he played into it so he could do a reveal that he was actually coming back, reveal didnt work out though as i think his boss didnt arrive or something
“Big Tuna is a super ambitious guy, you know? Cut-your-throat-to-get-ahead type of guy. But, I mean, I'm not threatened by him. I went to Cornell. Ever heard of it? I graduated in four years, I never studied once, I was drunk the whole time, and I sang in the a capella group, 'Here Comes Treble'.” one of the first andy bernard lines haha
One of my favourite things in Office was Andy and Erin getting back together. I genuinely cried out of joy when it happened, and I think making them break up once again was the worst desicion the writers made in the entire series.
It was hard to watch because clearly the two characters were into each other, but it seemed that the writers didn't want to rehash Jim/Pam or Michael/Holly. And I understand not wanting to repeat yourself creatively, but it seemed to me (and probably most) that Andy had gone through so much that he should have got the ending he wanted. Whether it was finding love or achieving show biz success, he seemed to have earned it by series end. On the other hand, it's a remarkable character who keeps getting knocked down as Andy repeatedly does and yet he keeps on staying positive.
@@dash_r_media the show got way too into creating relationships during the later seasons in fact. They destroy that relationship after making a big plot point for Andy to create it. After they breakup, they immediately throw her in another relationship with Plop, a character that was thrown into the show for whatever reason. A character that no one cares about.
Pretend you didn't see seasons 5-7, and then watch seasons 8-9 with fresh eyes, particularly Erin and Andy's interactions. I hope you'd then think, Erin is too good for Andy. The Andy that was betrothed to Angela would have been a good partner to Erin. Later Andy, not so much.
Yeah it was rough. How could we possibly root for Erin to get with some new guy that not a single office fan has any emotional investment in whatsoever? I'll never get why they did that.
I know right?! For me, I hated him, then loved him, then hated him, then hated him. WhY did the writers do that to him!!?! He was also really ridiculously cringey at some points. Just thought I should add that lmao
@@lucky2593 i actually didn't really "hate" him at first, but i definitely preferred his bubbly theatre kid personality over his season three personality :)
“Andy was an under-medicated chihuahua just waiting to explode in a flurry of a cappella barks.” I’m absolutely saving this insult for someone in my personal life. This is too beautiful, too perfect. Also, your content is fantastic. You not only have a talent for analyzing film and media, you really seem to enjoy it too! I’m been binge-watching all morning and I’m really loving it!
They worked so hard to establish him as the loveable underdog boss for a few episodes there at the beginning of season 8. It's part of why the abrupt "welp, he's a villain now" arc on his return from the boat trip in season 9 was so obnoxious. Basically Ed Helms was out for half the season so they decided his character didn't really matter anymore.
Ed Helms' character development was heavily influenced by his involvement in the Hangover movie. The first one was a hit that made the actor popular world wide so the producer had to milk the opportunity, thus giving the character more screen time (that would explain why he replaces Michael as manager). But that was also his downfall in the later seasons mainly to his absence because he had to shoot the sequels. I have a feeling that the writers got tired of re-writing the scripts around his schedule so they intentionally destroyed his character in the last season.
My thing with Andy was that he sucked until a few episodes after he got back from anger management. He was a really great character untill he got back from his boat trip. After that I have to say he was insufferable but 5 times worse because I was so used to him being a good guy (albeit slightly annoying). Yeah they fixed him, but it all went right back to shittiness at the end Edit: lmfao I find this video again after a year, completely forgotten that I've already seen it, and I find a comment I made with 1.4k likes xD thanks guys
Hanna Grozier also on the boat trip, considering the comment about there’s internet all over and she got emailed a couple of times out of I think 3 months. Edit: and he didn’t bring Erin with him.
I dunno, after season 7 or so, some the plot points they chose for Andy really annoyed me. None of the things they brought up had payoff. After the affair it seemed like Andy had nothing to do.
FALSE. On the contrary ; he was an important character, whether or not some of the plot points they chose for Andy were superfluous and or annoying to some, it’s imperative that you understand that his growth on the show just strengthened the saying Michael frequently said, “we’re a family”. You gotta love Andy man
Andy was great on season 8 in my opinion. Yes he's still annoying at times, but I think he's a great manager than Michael scott...until they screwed him on season 9
he started as a nuisance, became a good funny character, becomes the best character in the office, gets all of his development destroyed in the last season
His character change marked a change in how they writers had gotten lazy. No longer were jokes made about the boring nature of office work. No longer were they plot driven they just dumbed down characters, turned them into clowns. The jokes were now at the expense of their being clumsy,, dumb or both. Think of Angela licking her cats and then coughing up a fur ball or Kevin and chilli - all that was missing from these scenes was the laugh track and could you could have slipped them into the middle of Friends or any other stock sitcom from the 80's.
@@jamessmithers7593 I have to disagree with you on that, purely because office work was still clearly a joke for being so boring. They made Andy ok but there’s scenes like when Michael was talking and all they were focusing on was the square going right to the edge of the screen. Or when Michael said that hospitals are for dying and offices are a place to live life to the fullest. Every character other than Dwight, Andy and Michael hate their jobs. They may do them well, but they clearly don’t care. Removing Andy’s extremely chaotic side was a good thing because it wasn’t really funny and was clearly only there at the start as an attempt to replace Dwight
The reason Dwight was annoying but funny and Andy wasn't was because Dwight still really tried to be good, Andy was self-centered to the point of only caring about himself and I couldn't sympathize with him
I definitely saw him as a villain in that arc. Funny, yeah, but in the way someone like Deangelo Martin was funny, or CEO Ryan - he was an antagonist, and a heavy presence in those episodes. I didn’t like him, and probably couldn’t have put up with that Andy for the whole series. So I get what the video maker is saying.
Regardless of what they did to change Andy, I always found him entertaining to watch. I wouldn't like him if he was a real person, but as a fictional character I couldn't dislike him.
That was the whole idea. Essentially, in the last season, they formed a transition for everyone to move on and grow, because that's exactly what they did. Michael moved away to start a new life, Jim and Pam went from kids in love to parents, Dwight went from salesman to Regional manager, Oscar entered Politics, Kevin opened a bar, Stanely retired and generally new people started to shift themselves into the once familiar space. This was most apparent when Pam sold their house and decided to move the family. Everybody was maturing. In that sense, the effect the show had on the viewers wouldn't have been the same if the personalities were kept intact through the end. I mentioned the scene where Pam sells the house because that scene affected me on a personal level. The scene was set at dusk. The fading evening sun was hitting Jim and Pam's faces as they made the decision to move on with there lives. I remember crying at that scene, because I realized not just that their (and the show's) story was ending, but life in general couldn't stay the same. That made me sad. But it also made me feel I had matured and grew up with the people on screen, even though I binge-watched the show in the span of a week. So, yeah. I think changing everyone's personality was for the better. And they did it like no show other. That's why, to me, the ending of The Office, was way more sad. I bawled my eyes out at the end. But in similar context, I wasn't so sad at the end of FRIENDS. Part of the reason is because FRIENDS ran for so long, but it just ended. Everybody moved on, but retained their personalities, throughout. I hope you understood what the point I've tried to convey here.
@@sameerchandio9481 I agree with you. I may not like all of the characters' evolution, but some of them are really awesome imo. Oscar's is probably my favourite,
It's because the new writers forgot that The Office was supposed to be a *parody,* not a perfectly realistic representation of life. They tried making the show "true to life" and then it lost its charm because that was never what the show really was.
@@One.Zero.One101 --Whats great about that, is the Major writer for "Ryan", was BJ Novak, ("Ryan", himself!😊) and he is the one who made "Ryan" such a little jerk!😁
My biggest problem with Andy was that they spent 3 seasons building up him and Erin and they were together for like, 10 episodes before Andy did something stupid and they broke up. My problem wasn't that they didn't stay together, it's that it was so short and for a stupid reason. I say they should've cut out his other girlfriend, have them get together after Erin breaks up with Gabe, then have their relationship slowly decline naturally and in the end, they mutually break up. Heartbroken, Andy steps down as regional manager and goes to find fulfillment elsewhere and winds up getting his job at Cornell. That would've been a much better arc.
@@drvonyt8897 David Wallace was, by far, the biggest idiot on the show. Almost everyone in that office, Jim included, should have been fired multiple times. Creed, Kelly, Ryan and Meredith didn't even do anything there.
My first time watching the office, when Jim pranked Andy the same way he pranked Dwight and expected the same results. I genuinely bursted out laughing when Andy flips out and they cut to Jim and he makes a scared face. Man I really thought the dynamic of having a dude who’s gullible with anger problems paired with a laid back dude who doesn’t care much about work and distracts himself through pranks would be awesome. Until they went to Scranton and Jim was paired back up with Dwight, then Andy felt out of place. So glad they brought him back but I will say, at the end when he ditches Erin, he was even more cringe than before but at that point it was fitting .
So did I, actually.They were both asses for cheating, and I felt bad for Andy, but at the same time you can recognize through all of it that Dwight & Angela make more sense as a couple. Angela in particular should've just been honest about not caring that much for Andy....
I think the whole destroying his character in the last season after making him a good character in prior seasons is an example of how challenging the manager position was, he went downhill after he became manager, the stress, other people wanting your position and the responsibilities were not something easy, makes you appreciate Michael Scott even more, the guy had to deal with jan at some point and he always managed to make a good job, never lost his mind
Also Andy had serious self esteem issues, and in the last season it shows even more… he took those classes to have a stronger personality, but it happened only on the surface, cause you can’t really change and resolve all of your internal traumas and issues in barely a month… it was a shame they decided to ruin his and Erin’s relationship though
@@philipsalama8083 Yeah, but when David Wallace asked him how he did it, he didn't have an answer. It seems pretty clear that Jim and Dwight were pulling in most of the business since they were excellent salespeople, and Michael was an extremely hands-off manager so they got to just do what they did best.
None of Andy's problems in the final season are narratively connected to the fact he's now the boss. The power doesn't go to his head, the responsibility and pressure doesn't crush him. His character degradation comes from a meta narrative perspective owing to the fact the writers use him as a substitute for Michael and just write scenarios and jokes fitting for Michael's but not Andy's character, and then exacerbate them to the point they'd be unfunny and nonsensical even if it was still Michael they were writing for.
I’m gonna say it... I hate that they ruined him in the last season. I actually liked his and Erins relationship. I mean, they sort of redeemed him in the final episode but it feels like that was more so we remember him for the good character he was rather than the bad one. When looking at the finale you see an Andy that was good and humble with few bad moments in his life and a couple mistakes rather than a bad Andy that just had a few good moments. But I would’ve liked to see him written as the good likable Andy throughout the end. That’s just me... Feels good to let it out.
I think it was apart of Jim's whole laid back almost irreverent character. He's directly reminding Andy of who he used to be. The casual disregard of Andy's change made it seem as he had always been there. As if he had always been like that. It was part of normalizing him, his major change written off by a character to make him seem like a regular part of the office. Jim didn't welcome him back like he would a coworker that just came back from a tough situation but more like someone who came back after a long weekend.
I found Robert enjoyable and a great counter to the rest of the cast. Compared to the ignorant awkwardness Michael put everyone through he was a knowing disturbing. Also he’s 100x better than Deangelo.
I actually kinda liked Andy in the show. It was annoying how the producers had 'messed up' his character, but overall he was an okay character (some of the time). And there's this one deleted scene, basically he gave this really meaningful speech at Angela & Dwight's wedding, and it kinda sucks that they didn't add it into the show.
I've seen The Office 14 times over, it's my comfort show and it's on in the background almost constantly, always love watching videos like this, there's always something that's gone over my head and shows me something new despite knowing it pretty much line for line. Just goes to show how the writing is actually genius. Thanks for the video c:
Rise: he's funny for the first 20 minutes Fall: everything after that he wasn't funny (I make an exception for the invisible juggling which somehow cracks me up every time)
My two favorite moments from him is where he discovers Dwight and Angela's relationship and his play episode, the dude took criticism and failure like an absolute champ it's weirdly inspirational. It's really disappointing how they gave Andy the worst resolution in the finale, all of that character development for nothing
I loved when they changed him. Even during the time of his parents divorce I thought they were going to make him more mature or simply make him become a better boss out of it. Then they ruined it
I really liked angry Andy and was sad that they changed him when he came back. The joke where Jim hid his phone in the ceiling was one of the funniest things on the show. I never expected that reaction and I loved it! Lol
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It’s worth pointing out the writers mess with Andy again in the later seasons, to less success and create an entirely different problem.
Stanley, Creed, Micheal, Jim....
Invader zim!
Dwight, Pam, Phyllis, Angela, Kevin, Oscar, Darryl, Ryan, Kelly, Erin.... They're all the best in their own special ways
Bob the Builder
Nerdstalgic animaniacs! Or Kim possible.
andy telling jim "speaking as a former baby myself" will always be funny to me
@@fourteen20 Can't remember the exact episode, but it's around ep. 17-20 of season 6, when Pam is close to delivery.
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Thats never happens before to me lol
Callum Kelley just google the quote
Andy fearing he might be gay and Jim telling him he needs to sleep with a woman and a man in the same night to find out, is one of my favorite Andy moments. Also, the bloopers for that scene are hilarious.
@@lt0295 Yeah, that was hilarious.
But don't forget how they destroyed his character in the last season.
i hated that
Yup!
What did they do with him in the last season? I can't remember if I actually watched towards the end of just blocked it from my mind 😅
@@StreetNoise They made Erin date Plop and sent Andy to audition for American idol. I think this was bc Ed helms had to go shoot another Hangover?
@@StreetNoise The last two seasons shift Andy from an likable idiot to a frustrating prick again. He disappears for two months sailing, breaking up with Erin, and in turn he becomes bitter, petty, and self-destructive. This culminates in the not-American-Idol audition where he has a breakdown on camera and becomes an unfortunate meme.
His best line: The fire is shooting at us!!!
Gets me every time
Classic!
XD, the way he yells it too ^^
Idk it’s tough to beat him cutting Phyllis’ head off with a chainsaw
j0131 the noise he makes afterwards is what gets me every time 😂
Hol’ up
I loved when Phyllis said how Andy always listened to her stories and treated them like they were interesting, no matter what.
One of my favorite lines in the office is when Michael is saying goodbye to everyone. He gives Andy his clients and says "But you're the best salesman on the inside. You sold us all on Andy, a product that nobody wanted."
That line always warms my heart
See you tomorrow boss
XD I didn't rememver that! 😂
Didn’t he lose them before Michael even left? Lol
@@novelchaser3556 he lost one but saved another before Deangelo screwed up everything
He didn't sell me on Andy. I didn't want him and don't want him. The only thing I wanted out of Andy was for him to be kicked off the show.
I've always liked Andy, my favorite scene with Andy was when Robert California made a winners and losers list of everyone in the office. Andy was upset about the list and sat down with Robert and went through the losers list, for each name, he said a reason as to why that person was not a loser. In my opinion it's a underrated scene and says a lot about andy's character
Is there a video of that clip somewhere?
And people say the season 8 sucks.
@@LucasMartins-dy6no yea it wasn't great. It wasn't as bad as people say but there was a clear drop in the writing once Steve Carrel left
so true!
Yes is why they wrobg to destroyed him in season 9 but i cliked the sumo time drowning
"I wish there was a way to know about good old days before you actually left them"
-Andy Bernard
That is probably one of the best lines I have ever heard. I wish that was true
I think about this line a lot. It really resonates. Probably the best line from the show, for me.
-Everyone during lockdown also
""I wish there was a way to know about good old days before you actually left them"
-Andy Bernard
- Script writer
“”I’m so grateful to have people this close to me that it makes it this much more painful to say goodbye.”-Winnie the Pooh “-Michael Scott
Despite what was done to him towards the end, mainly due to Ed Helms' schedule, the finale did a lot to redeem him. He even got one of the best lines: “I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them."
After all the damage done to his character, the writers owed him that much
best line!
Season 9 was Andy's worst season but it did provide one of his best quotes.
"I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them. Someone should write a song about that."
I think that's 1 of the best lines from the series.
**instant depression**
Gus Gang i said this in another comment and some people got mad 😂
Reminds me of a scene from the movie “The Boat that Rocked”. If I recall, the guys are hanging out in the boat around drinks, and the main character goes outside to find Philip Seymour Hoffman sitting alone staring at the stars. The latter talks about how he had a terrifying thought; “What if, right now, this is the best time of my life? What comes next?” or something like that.
Dude that was my highschool grad quote😂
They saved his character only to ruin him in the last season. Till this day I am still pissed about Andy and Erin breaking up.
The punisher Why didn’t they end up back together at Dwight and Angela’s wedding?? I just don’t get it 😑😑
@@OGitGirlJess I am guessing the writers wanted the whole new jim to get with the new secretrary. I will also point out that Micheal does say neither when mentioning Gabe and Andy when she asks him which one to choose
She just needed to be on her own for a while, like Precious from the movie Precious. Based on the novel Push, by Sapphire.
Ria LeDuc But The new Jim and her weren’t together at the wedding either 🤔🤔 And Yea, you’re right Micheal said neither, I never thought of that, good point. I guess also Andy had fallen so low at that point that Erin wouldn’t have wanted any parts of that 😩
shaun brown Thank you for the details ✔️😊
I didn't think Andy was a bad guy when Jim was in Connecticut
I just found him very bro-ey
like a chad
me too honestly
but he didn't fit the series honestly. cause he's been taking all jokes too seriously
Its very sam and diane
@@hookedj7184 and that was funny
Writers destroyed Andy's character but Ed's acting remained perfect. He's a great actor and comedian
This should be honestly more pointed out. Ed makes a huge acting on the show. Its very hard to make and keep a character like that so consistent
100% true. He did an excellent job with character, in a lesser actors hands he would have been a total joke or hated but Ed sheer talent and the ability to be funny but play the role with heart made Andy my favourite character when on paper he really shouldn’t have been.
I know he was my favorite character from the office idk why the writer’s destroyed him in the end tho 😂
Preach, it’s the writers that either make or break a character.
I don’t like how “normal” characters in The Office start becoming crazier as they start appearing more. Like Jen or David. At the beginning those characters help to construct the idea of normality that will be broken by Michael, Dwight or someone who’s a caricature. Without normality there’s nothing to break.
they created the worst character, then fixed him and he became one of the most likeable characters and in the end the last season writers destroyed him completely
devaneios by nate I wonder if they did that so when Dwight was promoted to branch manager, you could actually feel good about it. I mean the first time Dwight is temporary branch manager, you can feel the panic, like how is anyone going to keep working there.
Sarah Hunter probably, but anyway this is poor writing, and once i heard that the way they treated andy was a vengeance against ed helms, cause he was always leaving the show (temporary) to shot some movie, but this is just speculation
That was really really unrealistic the transformation of him in the last seasons
That’s who he always was look at this why he has anger issues and is mean too people. He came back for anger management and it seemed to help for a why’ll. But with recent pressure of his parents resenting him the pressure of the management job and not feeling loved by Angela or Erin brought the old Andy right back. We may not like it but it’s good writing and it’s not a flaw with the writing it’s who Andy is. When he came back he was still kinda of an idiot just putting on an act too fit in as time went on he genuinely liked everyone and everyone liked him enough for Jim to say he likes him as manger. And I believe Andy wanted to change but you can’t break old habits.
I wish Pete didn't show up cause then him and eren would be together
But my name is Pete sooooooooo...........??
the best andy is after he breaking up with angela
Nah, the episode after he figured out Erin and Pete were dating.
GoChuTae nah dogchainz is right he was cool after that but when he broke up with Erin I started hating him again
And before he got fired
You are right
Before and after Angela was my favorite
Andy was a great character...until the LAST FRICKIN SEASON WHERE HE WENT ON A SAILING TRIP
Shoot. Any season after season 7 is dumpster fire.
Andy Bernard was my least favorite character for the whole show. He took up other characters screen time and his horrible relationship with Erin. When he became regional manager, it made the show unwatchable, until season 9. I loved those episodes where we could have character development without Andy calling himself nard dog and random outburst of singing. Andy sucks.
@@Sullo-su7nm I completely agree. It's so relieving to finally find someone who views his character like I do! He was the only character in the show where it felt like the writers really forced you to want to like. He was too overbearing, too nosey, too loud, and too much of a "yes" man. There was maybe a small handful of episodes where I found his character entertaining (S3E13, The Return for one), but I spent most of my time wishing he'd leave the show for good.
@Eggsy the last three eps of season 9 was good tho
@@Sullo-su7nm I completely agree
"Im always thinking one step ahead, like a carpenter...who makes stairs"
Idc I loved Andy from start to before last season.
Well said
He’s my favorite from the show
The garden party episode really "fixed" him for me. It showed how human he is and helped us sympathize with his drive for attention - because he isn't valued in his own family.
That episode actually saved that season
Finally a comment that isn’t about him being terrible in green last season
His rosebud
@@fareehamaryam1079 rosebud?
I disagree. I prefer obnoxious awkward douche Andy. His character becoming too human and likeable killed the funny factor of him for me.
I say “sorry I annoyed you with my friendship” anytime my friends can’t hang out
Cringe
^^
I bet you find yourself saying that a lot, Andy.
Shannon Gerry Drew... my name is Drew now
Andy Marshall, no, I'm not gonna call you that. 😁
Everybody talking about how they ruined Eirin and Andy relationship in season 9 but to me it was worst how they ruined Darryl and Andy friendship. Their friendship was one of the things I liked the best about those two characters and season's 9 Darryl avoiding Andy in the airport felt like that friendship development was for nothing!
I appreciate this comment! I totally agree!
i think that was because Darryl actually really liked Andy a lot, so it would have been too painful. like when he tried to sneak out his last day so he wouldn't say goodbye (and got roped into the most amazing dance sequence), and how Michael lied about his last day so he wouldn't have to say goodbyes.
Daryl was avoiding everyone he doesn’t like goodbyes it wasn’t anything against Andy
@@ryans413 Daryl is a dooshbag for doing this.
I agree 100%. Daryl and Andy’s friendship being ruined makes me dislike Daryl.
I was never a big Andy fan but my favorite episode with Andy was when he went to pay off the bet by getting a tattoo on his butt and everyone decided on a Nard dog. That episode was very touching and made Andy a part of the family.
My all time favorite Andy quote: “You, me, bar, beers, buzzed, wings, shots, drunk, waitresses hot, football Cornell/Hosfstra, slaughter, then quick nap at my place and then we hit the tizzown.”
I read this EXACTLY how he said it lol, well done 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Lol this sounds so exhausting.
Possibly the best Office quote
@@jerimayavondristen9955 that's what she said
But some people hate this, which blows my mind. I loved Andy in the beginning of season 3.
I hated season 9 Andy
Him and Erin’s relationship was so cute and then it was ruined
Andy acted so stupid after Nellie took his job
TRUUUUUUUE
[ Insert Name Here ] I’m sure you’ve rewatched the office as well but it took me time to notice that
Andy was never good enough for Erin.
He fell short.
I liked Andy but people forget he has anger issues,parent issues,self esteem issues, and the way he treats others was wrong when we met him and wrong when he came back from his leadership retreat and was being mean to nelly, dude couldn’t ask out Erin for so long, there’s way more
@@mbtisocialclub Erin was 1 of my favorite characters and Ellie Kemper later said neither of those guys were good enough for her character.
I wonder if that was purposefully done by the writers. We started off by hating Andy, and then the writers made his character story end with us hating him again. Just a theory!
I like deep dive Office videos. I hate what they did to Andy in S-9. Transferring all heroic qualities to Plop.
I hate plop
Aline Macedo finally someone who hates plop Ive seen no one but myself
Jack Hyland I hate Plop too
Jack Hyland I also hate plop
I mean plop and Erin were turned into the new Pam and Jim. And I kinda liked that idea. That even when the staff changes...the stories would stay the same. New faces, but the circle carries on. That said...yea nah they totally ruined Andy which sucked.
Ed Helms breathed life in Nard-dog’s character with his skills as an actor, a singer, an acapella artist and his talent of playing various musical instruments. I wish they wouldn’t have spoiled his character so badly by the end of the series. Andy Bernard didn’t deserve such a horrible end of his character arc after all those ups and downs.
and immediately after this, they ruined Andy and made him into a selfish, whiny child.
Lol yup, I actually put that in the pinned comment as well.
Not immediately, but definitely true in the last two seasons.
Yeah they kinda screwed his character in the 9th season. It wasn’t immediately. I hardly count the 9th season it’s pretty bad
Yep. I always felt that his character would’ve been best within season 3-4.
I still found him pretty funny and likeable in the second half of season 9
The way they shifted Andy’s character was unbelievable. Specifically in the last seasons. He was a nuisance. Then became relatable. Then was truly destroyed. Then in, again, one episode, the last episode made him the character that everyone remembered.
It was part of the act he got a nice ending he got a job at Cornell
and he also got one of the best finale quote in TV " "I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days, before you've actually left them"
@@thejonker6980 And then "some should write a song about that"😥, he should've wrote that song but he got his spirits crushed. Even though I didn't like him so much in the 9th season, he didn't deserve all of that, especially since he didn't get paid for his viral video
The best Andy was when he was Michael and Oscars’s wingman.
This deserves a like but it pains me to much to like when it's at 69
@@shanewade848 HAHAHA 😂
beer me dos long island iced teas!
ya like apples? WHEN HOW D'YA LIKE THEM APPLES? riddiddiddigiioruuuu
yeah, that was a GREAT episode
@@andrewiangillies one of my favs
I liked him the most when he invited everyone to watch his play. He strikes me as someone who is somewhat talented (can do everything on a base level) but doesn't manage to achieve anything. It's nice the show gave him the ability to sing and play musical instruments, and act on stage plays. I would love to see him do more stuff with kevin/darrel/oscar/toby/pam. He could've gone the similar route as pam going to art school where it doesn't happen off screen
He's a Daffy Duck character. Daffy would always get into a skills competition with Bugs Bunny and he could do everything well, but nobody liked him. Daffy would get in front of an audience and just kill it with dancing, but when it was over, crickets. Bugs Bunny would dance at a much lower level in front of the same audience and they roared.
I have to say the way Andy ended up on the series in seasons 8 and 9, completely ruins his character development for me in repeated viewings of the series. He turned out to be such a jerk to Nellie and Erin and became so completely self-absorbed, I completely lost any compassion I had for him.
He did have that great line in the last episode that showed his remorse for his past behavior, but it was too little too late for me.
That being said, Ed Helms was fantastic on that show.
Yes, that's what I thought when I first started watching DVDs - 5 years after it left the air. Ed Helms is a great actor and was really engaging even when he was playing such an obnoxiously unlikeable jerk.
Don't forget the song he sang when he quit too! Lol that was amazing. 🔥
Oh did they ruin his character in the last season? The comment section isn’t telling me every two seconds
I dont know if you got the answer but it was because the actor wanted to leave during in the middle of the last season and the writers didnt like that.
The character sucked before that. He should have left with the hole in the wall.
Ed Helms took a break from the show to film a movie, so they said his character sailed a boat around the Caribbean, I believe. When he came back, he was a mix of an asshole, and a douche bag. He was mean, spiteful, vindictive, nothing like his character before he left, and even worse than he originally was. Instead of just kinda being a jerk, whose antics, and anger issues, really only caused problems for himself; someone you could tolerate, but probably only in small doses, to someone who was actively, and purposefully trying to hurt others, through words, and actions. It was honestly hard to watch at times because some of the stuff he did was SO mean spirited, and done solely to bring others down. I don't know if I'm explaining it right, but it really undid all of the work the show had previously done to reform his character. Then he left again before the final however many episodes, but returned for the finale, somewhat remorseful for his actions, an obviously a broken man, whose behavior, outbursts, and sudden immaturity, had literally turned him into a meme. It was sad to see his character, who many, myself included, had learned to not only like, but genuinely root for, a sympathetic man, who just wanted to be liked, accepted, and ultimately loved, into a somewhat vile human being, who clearly derived joy from watching others fail. Again, that's just my take on it, I'm sure there's far bigger fans than me who can answer it much better. Now if you had question about "It's Always Sunny", then I'm definitely your girl. Hope that helped. ☺
@@mariannecontrino6297 marry me
They ruined him
Best line in the office “THE FIRE IS SHOOTING AT US”
From the best episode too
That's my favorite episode 😂😂😂
OH GOD OKAY ITS HAPPENING EVERYBODY STAY CALM
False!!!
How the turntables have
"I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them." Andy Bernard. My favorite quote that still hits hard.
Well, there is a way
The Office writers: "Watch us take an unlikeable character and make them likeable throughout the series"
Also The Office writers: " Now watch us make him extremely unlikeable in one season"
As a side note, the last episode redeemed him again
Yeah, I agree
Gah agree all the way. He was bad untill a little after his anger management, and then got put right back into the unlikeablness after he got back from his boat trip. He was focused on way too much at the end and his plot lines were annoying, and then he was humbled again right there in the finale.
He was never likeable.
I feel like they did this in purpose. Andy's actor must have pissed someone off.
@@lonster3000 yup
And then they ruined him with the trip to the Caribbean and his subsequent UNEXPLAINED total douchebaggery.
The Dragon Reborn he was always like that. Look at season 3
That never happened.
He was never like that he was calm and shit when he was a manager and the only reason they fucked up his character in the last season is cause he went to go film The hangover series
I liked him at the end
It’s because he was filming the hangover the just didn’t give a good reason in the show
One of the most frustraiting parts of the entire series was Andy and Erin's relationship. The writers did a good job at creating the tension between the two at the start and the kiss scene at the compost site was like justification for what Angela did to him.
But then they made Erin freak out when he didn't tell her he was engaged to Angela resulting in a bizarre hookup with Gabe and things just kept snowballing into a mess.
Gabe would threaten Andy after Erin broke up with him. Then Andy was promoted to manager so the writers started writing him in Michael Scott situations that didn't fit his character. Erin then confessed her feelings to Andy, but Andy randomly had this long time girlfriend we had no idea about.
So Erin leaves her life to escape to Florida. Andy drops his life to confess to Erin, resulting in making them both look like scumbags since Andy had to breakup with this other girl.
When they return the relationship is caught in stasis since Andy needs to get his job back and when he does... Season 9. That season made Andy a bigger asshole than he's ever been in order to push the viewer to sympathize for Erin and this new Jim character, Pete.
The relationship was pointless since there was no payoff.
I can see you've never dated before, as you think every relationship has a "payoff".
@@shelbyseelbach9568 Then I guess you're not very good at assumptions considering I've dated plenty. Sounds more like emotion analysis though like I struck a nerve.
It's a fictional TV show. The Office US went off track from the reality based Office UK after season 1. When I use the term "payoff" I was referring to the shows story arcs. Even Michael and Jan had a payoff with the dinner episode.
@@bowmen82 same feel, it's like they tried to recreate the "will they won't they" conflict that happened to Jim and Pam, except it felt SO forced and unjustified
EXACTLY-
@@shelbyseelbach9568 incorrect.. Even in real-life a relationship has a pay-off, good or bad.
It starts with 1 moment that defines your relationship, which ultimately breaks that relationship as a result or makes it stronger than before. Since life has up's and downs it's to be expected.
Now if we talk about relationships in A TV SHOW, then we know they have "pay-offs" and arcs. It either has the character change from self-centered, to being more sympathetic and grow some sorta empathy for those around them, it also can cause major conflicts in their lives.
A relationship is a plot device to help 2 characters having jarring changes. One can become more confident, the other more submissive.
Erin and Andy had NONE of it. It would go from one end to the next and wouldn't truly feel like a relationship should or would.
Jim and Pam had a pay-off. It had a set-up and it took many moons to culminate. Where both would constantly show each other that they are happiest in each other's company. That they try their hardest to push their limits and become better people.
Jim even starts his own business in a bid to make a Better life for his wife and kids.
Jim supported Pam to go to Art school so she wouldn't feel regrets, knowing that she gave it her all.
This, in turn, gave Pam more confidence, and turned her from a more reserved and meek character into a brazen character who managed to lie about a position and its salary and making it real.
Old Pam never would have accomplished that. This is what the relationship tool is used for. It has a pay-off in a TV Show and has defined and clear arcs.
Andy as manager, sucking up to Robert California, being as naive yet a strong leader-like presence in Season 8 was gold for me. That was my favorite Andy.
Disagree, especially as the manager. The next manager should have been the opposite of Michael. Great actor he is, but the writers didn't have a clue after Steve left which was their fault.
I really liked manager andy too! I didn't mind he wasnt that different from Michael because he was different enough. He's calmer, more productive and a bit less goofy, but still a bit ridiculous. It was so interesting seeing him struggld then find his footing. His moments of being an actual great manager were so relevant character-wise.
@@Journey24215I don't know, i don't think an opposite of Michael would've been very funny. Andy was like an insecure michael-ish goof, seeing him find his footing was really fun
@@eloweez8798 i actually thought he was quite similar to michael in a good way - he was like what michael was becoming in s7, where he'd actually grown close to everyone and learned to respect boundaries and listen to people but still had some of the goofiness that keeps the place interesting. we didn't have to watch andy change and learn a bunch as manager because we'd already watched him come so far from where he started, and if carrell hadn't left i think that would be where the show was going anyway. if the new manager had been as incompetent/insensitive as s1 michael it would've felt like they were rebooting the show, whereas andy basically just being a friend boss trying to get robert california to like him was a sweet wrap-up
when andy performed “i will remember you” it literally gives me chills even though his character was pretty bad in the 9th season.
Delaney H lmao same, it’s like all the bad goes away
i had that song stuck in my head just because of that..
Delaney H Season three Andy was intentionally bad, the other seasons... not really.
i bawl like a baby when he sings that.
Andy’s best line is “Micheal, am I gay?”
I mean the rumors are just coincidence...
Andy was genuinely sweet after anger management and especially once he broke up with Angela. I hated him at first but then he pretty much became my favorite character and I would defend him to the death. Season 9 was a travesty.
God. Word
Same to me!
One of the best quotes in The Office and said by Andy Bernard: "I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them." This also fits the way they treated Andy's character in season 9.
Andy was ruined when he did that weird drunk janitor thing.
Andrew Kunkel ah good the carpets been due for a good mopping....that line was only capable bc of that scene
@@17seconds2 haha, still sooooo weird.
Andrew Kunkel wait remind me what that was again
@@rsmit11 he came back soon to be hired, everyone thought he was homeless and he played into it so he could do a reveal that he was actually coming back, reveal didnt work out though as i think his boss didnt arrive or something
And the baby wa wa thing
Best Andy line
Chock that up to tweedle dee and tweedle dumb out there
Robert: who are they
Andy: They’re both Kevin
i wish there was a way to know your in the good old days..before you actually left them...
“Big Tuna is a super ambitious guy, you know? Cut-your-throat-to-get-ahead type of guy. But, I mean, I'm not threatened by him. I went to Cornell. Ever heard of it? I graduated in four years, I never studied once, I was drunk the whole time, and I sang in the a capella group, 'Here Comes Treble'.” one of the first andy bernard lines haha
One of my favourite things in Office was Andy and Erin getting back together. I genuinely cried out of joy when it happened, and I think making them break up once again was the worst desicion the writers made in the entire series.
It was hard to watch because clearly the two characters were into each other, but it seemed that the writers didn't want to rehash Jim/Pam or Michael/Holly. And I understand not wanting to repeat yourself creatively, but it seemed to me (and probably most) that Andy had gone through so much that he should have got the ending he wanted. Whether it was finding love or achieving show biz success, he seemed to have earned it by series end.
On the other hand, it's a remarkable character who keeps getting knocked down as Andy repeatedly does and yet he keeps on staying positive.
@@dash_r_media the show got way too into creating relationships during the later seasons in fact. They destroy that relationship after making a big plot point for Andy to create it. After they breakup, they immediately throw her in another relationship with Plop, a character that was thrown into the show for whatever reason. A character that no one cares about.
@@dash_r_media Exactly. Us as viewers were rooting for Andy to get that happy ending.
Pretend you didn't see seasons 5-7, and then watch seasons 8-9 with fresh eyes, particularly Erin and Andy's interactions. I hope you'd then think, Erin is too good for Andy.
The Andy that was betrothed to Angela would have been a good partner to Erin. Later Andy, not so much.
Yeah it was rough. How could we possibly root for Erin to get with some new guy that not a single office fan has any emotional investment in whatsoever? I'll never get why they did that.
He has the weirdest arc. I hated him, then loved him, then hated bim, then loved him.
I know right?! For me, I hated him, then loved him, then hated him, then hated him. WhY did the writers do that to him!!?!
He was also really ridiculously cringey at some points. Just thought I should add that lmao
@@victoria-tk5jf Basically cos Ed Helms got famous and kept going to film movies, so they had to kick Andy out periodically
@@Coffeetime110 yeah, it's horrible
@@victoria-tk5jf what?!?! I always loved Andy even when he was first introduced idk why people hated him but I loved him
@@lucky2593 i actually didn't really "hate" him at first, but i definitely preferred his bubbly theatre kid personality over his season three personality :)
“Andy was an under-medicated chihuahua just waiting to explode in a flurry of a cappella barks.”
I’m absolutely saving this insult for someone in my personal life. This is too beautiful, too perfect.
Also, your content is fantastic. You not only have a talent for analyzing film and media, you really seem to enjoy it too! I’m been binge-watching all morning and I’m really loving it!
Totally thought the same!
My favorite Andy moment was when he stood up to Robert California’s “List”
They worked so hard to establish him as the loveable underdog boss for a few episodes there at the beginning of season 8. It's part of why the abrupt "welp, he's a villain now" arc on his return from the boat trip in season 9 was so obnoxious. Basically Ed Helms was out for half the season so they decided his character didn't really matter anymore.
I agree!
@@benjaminolson7206 Curse the Hangover sequels for that.
Ed Helms' character development was heavily influenced by his involvement in the Hangover movie. The first one was a hit that made the actor popular world wide so the producer had to milk the opportunity, thus giving the character more screen time (that would explain why he replaces Michael as manager). But that was also his downfall in the later seasons mainly to his absence because he had to shoot the sequels. I have a feeling that the writers got tired of re-writing the scripts around his schedule so they intentionally destroyed his character in the last season.
Oh thaaat's where I know him from
My thing with Andy was that he sucked until a few episodes after he got back from anger management. He was a really great character untill he got back from his boat trip. After that I have to say he was insufferable but 5 times worse because I was so used to him being a good guy (albeit slightly annoying). Yeah they fixed him, but it all went right back to shittiness at the end
Edit: lmfao I find this video again after a year, completely forgotten that I've already seen it, and I find a comment I made with 1.4k likes xD thanks guys
Hanna Grozier also on the boat trip, considering the comment about there’s internet all over and she got emailed a couple of times out of I think 3 months.
Edit: and he didn’t bring Erin with him.
Hanna Grozier he’s best before anger management, after anger management he sucks he’s so funny before anger management
Completely agree. I thought they really screwed up the season as a whole too. An absolute mess.
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actually he was a bit annoying when he became manager and the writers were stuck in Michael Scott mode and forgot that Andy wasn't Michael.
“I’m gonna kill you. This isn’t a game anymore I am actually going to shoot you” is still my favorite line of Andy
Yep...that was Great.
It was improvised too. You can even see John Krasinski hold back laughter
Saboteur
This makes me laugh outloud every single time, lord its so fucking funny
Agreed
I wish The Hangover filming didn't ruin his character later but I'm glad he wasn't written out right after the wall punch.
No matter how much they changed him in the last season ...i still love his character and always will
I dunno, after season 7 or so, some the plot points they chose for Andy really annoyed me. None of the things they brought up had payoff. After the affair it seemed like Andy had nothing to do.
just another worker in the office. you could remove phyllis from the office and i wouldn't realise.
cona yel bad take
FALSE. On the contrary ; he was an important character, whether or not some of the plot points they chose for Andy were superfluous and or annoying to some, it’s imperative that you understand that his growth on the show just strengthened the saying Michael frequently said, “we’re a family”. You gotta love Andy man
Sam Leopold at least elaborate why it’s a bad take hahah
Andy was great on season 8 in my opinion. Yes he's still annoying at times, but I think he's a great manager than Michael scott...until they screwed him on season 9
he started as a nuisance, became a good funny character, becomes the best character in the office, gets all of his development destroyed in the last season
His character change marked a change in how they writers had gotten lazy. No longer were jokes made about the boring nature of office work. No longer were they plot driven they just dumbed down characters, turned them into clowns. The jokes were now at the expense of their being clumsy,, dumb or both. Think of Angela licking her cats and then coughing up a fur ball or Kevin and chilli - all that was missing from these scenes was the laugh track and could you could have slipped them into the middle of Friends or any other stock sitcom from the 80's.
He was never the best
@@jamessmithers7593 I have to disagree with you on that, purely because office work was still clearly a joke for being so boring. They made Andy ok but there’s scenes like when Michael was talking and all they were focusing on was the square going right to the edge of the screen. Or when Michael said that hospitals are for dying and offices are a place to live life to the fullest. Every character other than Dwight, Andy and Michael hate their jobs. They may do them well, but they clearly don’t care. Removing Andy’s extremely chaotic side was a good thing because it wasn’t really funny and was clearly only there at the start as an attempt to replace Dwight
@@Eynd297 false
gag
I liked Andy until he came back from his boat trip
Dan Lundberg the fatal boat trip...
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It’s cause he was doing the hangover and that’s why they did him dirty
same
I loved Andy’s anger issues, the wall punching scene had me dying laughing the first time I saw it.
and then they ruined his character again
Yeah, that’s a whole different problem, but things certainly went off the rails toward the end.
Yeah, Nellie kind of contributed a little to that
They had to make Dwight more redeemable so it was a feel-good story when he became manager. So they made Andy trash
SuperNoah160 Yeah true
They miiight have been a little miffed that he had to leave and film the hangover mid season lol
I didn't find him dislikable at all before he made Dwight leave, he was annoying but in a funny way
Agree. The guy who made this video is overthinking everything.
100%
The reason Dwight was annoying but funny and Andy wasn't was because Dwight still really tried to be good, Andy was self-centered to the point of only caring about himself and I couldn't sympathize with him
@@enzldavaractl8345 Thats why he was funny, because he was so unselfaware and stupid.
I definitely saw him as a villain in that arc. Funny, yeah, but in the way someone like Deangelo Martin was funny, or CEO Ryan - he was an antagonist, and a heavy presence in those episodes. I didn’t like him, and probably couldn’t have put up with that Andy for the whole series. So I get what the video maker is saying.
Regardless of what they did to change Andy, I always found him entertaining to watch. I wouldn't like him if he was a real person, but as a fictional character I couldn't dislike him.
Lmao I'd take a real life Andy over most of the characters
Final season doesn't even feels like The Office, they change everyone's personality so radically is unbearable
That was the whole idea. Essentially, in the last season, they formed a transition for everyone to move on and grow, because that's exactly what they did. Michael moved away to start a new life, Jim and Pam went from kids in love to parents, Dwight went from salesman to Regional manager, Oscar entered Politics, Kevin opened a bar, Stanely retired and generally new people started to shift themselves into the once familiar space. This was most apparent when Pam sold their house and decided to move the family. Everybody was maturing. In that sense, the effect the show had on the viewers wouldn't have been the same if the personalities were kept intact through the end. I mentioned the scene where Pam sells the house because that scene affected me on a personal level. The scene was set at dusk. The fading evening sun was hitting Jim and Pam's faces as they made the decision to move on with there lives. I remember crying at that scene, because I realized not just that their (and the show's) story was ending, but life in general couldn't stay the same. That made me sad. But it also made me feel I had matured and grew up with the people on screen, even though I binge-watched the show in the span of a week.
So, yeah. I think changing everyone's personality was for the better. And they did it like no show other. That's why, to me, the ending of The Office, was way more sad. I bawled my eyes out at the end. But in similar context, I wasn't so sad at the end of FRIENDS. Part of the reason is because FRIENDS ran for so long, but it just ended. Everybody moved on, but retained their personalities, throughout. I hope you understood what the point I've tried to convey here.
Best character development was Dwight by far, I still loved him in the last season, and I cried during his wedding
@@sameerchandio9481 I agree with you. I may not like all of the characters' evolution, but some of them are really awesome imo. Oscar's is probably my favourite,
It's because the new writers forgot that The Office was supposed to be a *parody,* not a perfectly realistic representation of life. They tried making the show "true to life" and then it lost its charm because that was never what the show really was.
@@sameerchandio9481 Yet didn't do anything of the sort for Andy.
I too thought that the Andy character was done for after he punched a hole in the wall. But the anger management turn about was genius
CAN YOU PLEAAAAAASE DO A CHARACTER ANALYSIS OF RYAN? I know he's more "minor" character but his character development is rich in content
Wasn't he always a weird asshole loser, or am I missing something lol?
@@Kicksno1fan you're not missing anything
He shows development final season and says he has finally beat commitment when he runs away with Kelly. Wait actually he leaves his baby...nvm
@@One.Zero.One101 --Whats great about that, is the Major writer for "Ryan", was BJ Novak, ("Ryan", himself!😊) and he is the one who made "Ryan" such a little jerk!😁
@@amunra1324 --LOL!!😁 Yep, opps..nevermind!😀
My biggest problem with Andy was that they spent 3 seasons building up him and Erin and they were together for like, 10 episodes before Andy did something stupid and they broke up. My problem wasn't that they didn't stay together, it's that it was so short and for a stupid reason. I say they should've cut out his other girlfriend, have them get together after Erin breaks up with Gabe, then have their relationship slowly decline naturally and in the end, they mutually break up. Heartbroken, Andy steps down as regional manager and goes to find fulfillment elsewhere and winds up getting his job at Cornell. That would've been a much better arc.
He never sold one sheet of paper.
And yet he convinced David Wallace to buy back Dunder Mifflin.
He did. They referenced that he barely outsells Phylis. He had low sales numbers, but he still sold some paper. It was Ryan who never sold any paper.
We saw him make that sale after D'Angelo messed it up.
@@drvonyt8897 David Wallace was, by far, the biggest idiot on the show. Almost everyone in that office, Jim included, should have been fired multiple times. Creed, Kelly, Ryan and Meredith didn't even do anything there.
132 likes vs 5 comments. Sweet.
andy’s reaction to Angela’s baby photo 🤣 haha. ed helms is the master of reaction looks.
Btw his friendship with Dwight was such a cute thing to follow
I loved post anger management Andy so much... he was such a bro
I Hated Andy initially but he grew to be one of my favorite characters after his anger management
"People have problems" *shows clip of Jim finding out Pam is pregnant*
Survey says: Parents agree.
The fact that he delivers the best line in the finale is enough to make me love him more.
My first time watching the office, when Jim pranked Andy the same way he pranked Dwight and expected the same results. I genuinely bursted out laughing when Andy flips out and they cut to Jim and he makes a scared face. Man I really thought the dynamic of having a dude who’s gullible with anger problems paired with a laid back dude who doesn’t care much about work and distracts himself through pranks would be awesome. Until they went to Scranton and Jim was paired back up with Dwight, then Andy felt out of place. So glad they brought him back but I will say, at the end when he ditches Erin, he was even more cringe than before but at that point it was fitting .
Except I still rooted for Dwight while Angela was cheating.
So did I, actually.They were both asses for cheating, and I felt bad for Andy, but at the same time you can recognize through all of it that Dwight & Angela make more sense as a couple. Angela in particular should've just been honest about not caring that much for Andy....
aerialpunk you said it so well.
I rooted for Dwight because I love Dwangela but I still felt bad for Andy.
I wanted Andy to wisen up and dump Angela. Simple as that.
CeKurosu I didn’t
I think the whole destroying his character in the last season after making him a good character in prior seasons is an example of how challenging the manager position was, he went downhill after he became manager, the stress, other people wanting your position and the responsibilities were not something easy, makes you appreciate Michael Scott even more, the guy had to deal with jan at some point and he always managed to make a good job, never lost his mind
Also Andy had serious self esteem issues, and in the last season it shows even more… he took those classes to have a stronger personality, but it happened only on the surface, cause you can’t really change and resolve all of your internal traumas and issues in barely a month… it was a shame they decided to ruin his and Erin’s relationship though
@@evacesartcorner9840 The Scranton Branch under Michael was the most profitable in the company, so you have to give Michael some credit.
@@philipsalama8083 Yeah, but when David Wallace asked him how he did it, he didn't have an answer. It seems pretty clear that Jim and Dwight were pulling in most of the business since they were excellent salespeople, and Michael was an extremely hands-off manager so they got to just do what they did best.
@@heathersmith4042 wasnt it because Kevin was comitting fraud the entire time by "balancing" the numbers with "kelevens" or whatever?
None of Andy's problems in the final season are narratively connected to the fact he's now the boss. The power doesn't go to his head, the responsibility and pressure doesn't crush him. His character degradation comes from a meta narrative perspective owing to the fact the writers use him as a substitute for Michael and just write scenarios and jokes fitting for Michael's but not Andy's character, and then exacerbate them to the point they'd be unfunny and nonsensical even if it was still Michael they were writing for.
I’m gonna say it... I hate that they ruined him in the last season. I actually liked his and Erins relationship. I mean, they sort of redeemed him in the final episode but it feels like that was more so we remember him for the good character he was rather than the bad one. When looking at the finale you see an Andy that was good and humble with few bad moments in his life and a couple mistakes rather than a bad Andy that just had a few good moments. But I would’ve liked to see him written as the good likable Andy throughout the end. That’s just me... Feels good to let it out.
Andy was great until he came back from that boat trip :(
I was so irritated when Jim refused to call Andy "Drew", it was more petty and childish than a lot of things old Andy had done himself
Jim was a very childish character in general.
I think it was apart of Jim's whole laid back almost irreverent character. He's directly reminding Andy of who he used to be. The casual disregard of Andy's change made it seem as he had always been there. As if he had always been like that. It was part of normalizing him, his major change written off by a character to make him seem like a regular part of the office. Jim didn't welcome him back like he would a coworker that just came back from a tough situation but more like someone who came back after a long weekend.
@@gunnar1746 exactly
Looking back, rewatching the office for about the twelfth time, I realize that I really don't care for Jim that much
@Rick S. That's a good point.
Me awkwardly looking away because Andy was my absolute favorite-
I literally searched how Andy's character changed just now after seeing your video about Michael changing yesterday. And here we are
Still enjoyed that Andy more than Robert California.
RC was the best.
Brok Homz RC was the worst
I found Robert enjoyable and a great counter to the rest of the cast. Compared to the ignorant awkwardness Michael put everyone through he was a knowing disturbing. Also he’s 100x better than Deangelo.
Nikki Deangelo ruined the beautiful Michael goodbye song scene.
Or Nellie.....ugh can we cut Nellie's character out now?
Andy is my favorite character, hands down. It's such a bummer they trashed him completely by the end of the show
I feel like the first 4 minutes of the video could have been summarised in 30 seconds but overall I like the analysis.
Marshy Fidjestol Agreed. This show isn’t really that deep.
Seriously, I had to click off the video because he literally says the same two thoughts over and over for five minutes straight
I love the office is still relevant for over decade.
Adam Badri me, my mother, my aunt, and her daughter all just started the office this summer and we’re already on season 6 respectively
@@vincegredome either, just finished season 5. I'm watching it alone though.
vince gredo lol just got to season 6 and i started for the 7th (or something) time last week
I actually kinda liked Andy in the show. It was annoying how the producers had 'messed up' his character, but overall he was an okay character (some of the time). And there's this one deleted scene, basically he gave this really meaningful speech at Angela & Dwight's wedding, and it kinda sucks that they didn't add it into the show.
I've seen The Office 14 times over, it's my comfort show and it's on in the background almost constantly, always love watching videos like this, there's always something that's gone over my head and shows me something new despite knowing it pretty much line for line. Just goes to show how the writing is actually genius. Thanks for the video c:
Love these peeks behind the curtain to old shows
The rise and fall of Deangelo Vickers
Literally
Top 3 worst characters. Pudge isn’t even on that list.
Rise: he's funny for the first 20 minutes
Fall: everything after that he wasn't funny
(I make an exception for the invisible juggling which somehow cracks me up every time)
ArmanHockerProject you want me to go? I’ll go
I laughed my ass off at the cake scene, but yeah his was a weird arc that went nowhere.
Deangelo was bad, but at least he was only on the show for a few episodes, versus keeping him on the show for season 8 and/or 9
He plays his character so hilariously that even him saying normal stuffs makes me laugh
My two favorite moments from him is where he discovers Dwight and Angela's relationship and his play episode, the dude took criticism and failure like an absolute champ it's weirdly inspirational. It's really disappointing how they gave Andy the worst resolution in the finale, all of that character development for nothing
I loved when andy, michael, and dwight become friends and are absolutely ridiculous together
andy was such a sweetheart 🥺 i loved him until his character was ruined in the last season
yeah. he tried so hard to find love too
I hated Andy, I love him after anger management, I loved him even more in season 8 and I hated that the writers screwed him again in season 9
Karen Aguirre- it’s Drew, call him Drew.
I really love when he's singing especially when form a band with kevin and daryll
he hates that wall so much, he had to punch through it twice.
I love that the show is filmed from someone holding and manually zooming in, it gives a feel of authenticity
And then in the final season they destroy his character in one episode.
Yeah, unfortunately.
Spinning Back Side Kick which episode was that ?
Which episode
@@jorgetheripper The one where he comes back from his boat trip.
Spinning Back Side Kick That was horrific
I've always liked Andy. Even in the earlier episodes he was hilarious
I loved when they changed him. Even during the time of his parents divorce I thought they were going to make him more mature or simply make him become a better boss out of it. Then they ruined it
How they fixed him than ruined him again. I actually preferred season 3 Andy over season 9 Andy bernard.
wym what happened in season 9
@@aidanclark9853 in season 9 he was just a jerk
I think that hole in the wall is magical because after he punched it again his character was switched back to how he started (kind of)
This channel is the thing a person like me (addicted to rewatching the office) needed
I really liked angry Andy and was sad that they changed him when he came back. The joke where Jim hid his phone in the ceiling was one of the funniest things on the show. I never expected that reaction and I loved it! Lol