floatwheel adv ESC layout analysis and Structure demo
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2022
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Benjamin's youtube channel @BenjaminsRobotics
Learn more about Surfdado's ATR firmware : pev.dev/t/atr-firmware-101/43 - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Good summary of how much the VESC riding experience has evolved. It really echoes my experience with my VESC over this last half year. I love these detailed breakdowns you’re making and can’t wait to see some of these machines in action. -Niko
Hey! So cool to see you here. Do you plan on making a onewheel video possibly involving VESC? That would be pretty sick!
@@pegren4724 I recommend you watch their podcast which might be exactly what you're talking about.
never thoughtd you'd be here Niko!
Whaaaaat? This is awesome you guys are commenting on this! Love you guys!
Impressive. Wow, it just goes to show (FM!) that it's not THAT hard to actually talk to your customers! No secrets here!
The floatwheel until now seems everything the community always wanted and these video make me really appreciate your transparency
All of this show true passion for what you are doing
I'm very hyped, this board seems amazing
Having easy replacement and board repair in mind. Incredible 👍🏻
Love these videos, can't wait for more info & real life demos !
Tony dropping some serious VESC history lesson :)
Everything you share, makes me more excited about this board!
I have the product now and I am blown away of it is performance. This is the highest quality PEV I have tried so far. I did not want to stop riding last evening. It is so much fun to ride this wheel. The wheel gets you over the bumps so easy you don't have to do anything. It is so much smarter and more powerful than GT. IT is so superior in so many ways. Adapts to any terrain on the fly and it is crazy fun to ride it. Tony you and your team create the most exciting and the most amazing product in 2023!
Thanks for talking through the components of the VESC. This is very exciting.
Vesc has come a long way. I sometimes feel guilty how well my board performs now. That looks like a quality ESC, I like the double decker design. Saves space which i find very important👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you Tony! I really appreciate you. I'm planning to do my preorder soon. I very much appreciate how upfront you are about what's in your board. You're everything I wanted Kyle and FM to be and they aren't. Your ingenuity and innovation is amazing.
Just to confirm, as I'm not an engineer so I don't understand these things. But the ADV will have regenerative braking correct?
@@crispypritchett7336 Yup, otherwise you will see brake resistors lol, but regen braking is ancient tech, so I thought I'd skip that in the marketing.
@@floatwheel ok thanks sorry I'm old Haha. But i've put a few thousand miles on my XR made JWXR growler and now a VESC. I love that board. But I'm trusting you tony. I'm planning to sell her soon for the money to get this. My onewheel is my vehicle, I sold my car to buy it 3 years ago. I literally ride it up and down Mt hood Oregon constantly. I work at a mountain resort so I need a board that kept up with cold weather and winter riding conditions. I'm not looking forward to being without my vehicle for a couple months but I'm going to do it soon and wait for this to come in. Looks like your battery specs will be even better in the cold. Love that pro battery very much looking forward to it.
@@crispypritchett7336 Can't wait to get you shreddin on the board!
thanks bro for the shoot out and screenshot of It's Electric in Paris! All the best. I still have your signed FW rail by your team on my wall.
@Floatwheel, there may be people interested in buying the motor controller alone (without LCM), for other applications. Because of the connector between vesc and LCM, i suggest you also offer an adapter (sold separately) that once again break out the big connector into all the separate connectors
good call, will do
Keep up the good work and really stick it to FM. This is innovation in the sport 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 I can't wait to hear all the radio silence that FM usually responds with.
Tony and co. are killing it! Great job you guys!
🤯 Very impressed. I love the shoutouts to #surfdado and others!
Surfdado is awesome - fortunate to be able to join group rides he's part of!
Love these videos. I am looking forward to preordering in 2 days and look forward to being supporting your product, company, and efforts.
Great vid. Not sure if you’ve covered waterproofing before but would be good to hear more about that
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Love the transparency.
Love the enginering, innovations, and improvements!
Love what you are doing! keep improving...can't wait to get my hands on one of your boards.
I'm really loving this design! Thanks for the great info Tony
Love the video and the information. Keep up the great work!
Love these videos. Looks like it’s going to be a great product. Love that repeatability is an key aspect of the design. Can’t wait to see the final product & hopefully support with a purchase.
Thanks for sharing the technical details. It's really interesting.
You're doing cool stuff, dude. Can't wait to see these in action.
we needed a genius like you
thanks Tony for the videos
Awesome work! Thanks for the info
Thanks for the information! Keep up the good work!
I just love this transparency and detailed info that provides us (the would be customer) with basic knowledge of what we would be buying! As a European rider (Sweden), I would encourage you to in tandem develop an infrastructure, at least in a few European countries, whereby we can get repair and service! This was the main reason I cancelled my first day preorder of the GT which turned out to be a blessing in disguise! Here in Sweden, we that ride are mainly individuals without a community because there is no way Future motion with there business, return and repair policies would ever be able to be sell to mainstream shops because they would be in violation of at least Swedish and probably European consumer rights! If you get that in place, I would be a future customer and no doubt many other Swedish citizens would follow! 👏🏾👍🏾🙏🏾🇬🇧🇸🇪🇹🇹
Very impressive Tony. You sound like you know your stuff. Would be great to have Bluetooth/wifi ability to change led battery percentage display brightness and behaviour. Maybe for some time sync with the phone to allow bright battery readout during the daytime, but dimmer at nighttime. Another idea is to include GPS trail programming, allowing the board to be pre programmed for different trails, for example a stretch that has a long uphill, as you approach the board raises the nose ready for the climb, then again on the decent dropping the nose. This would make for fine tuning of trails. Otherwise in the app or on the Apple Watch provide an option to quickly switch between incline/decline. Loving your work and updates.
We are working on that right now, the new VESC v6.00 firmware supports lisp, we will be able to do all the things you mentioned once that v6.00 firmware is out.
@@floatwheel that sounds great.
I'm convinced I want one this looks great thanks for breaking it down if
You ever need a tester let me know
This is everything! 🙌🏽
Got an XR that died on me and have been thinking of slowly swapping parts to make it a VESC build, and these videos have been super helpful in understanding the current state of affairs.
If it's possible I would love to start swapping in Floatwheel parts so that eventually once everything dies I end up with a Floatwheel. Very impressed with the VESC / LCM layout / designs and explanations.
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I like this dude!
Looks promising!
This is amazing.
I am an EUC rider, but also planning to get something like this for another flavor of riding.
I hope you guys will succeed, and since I'm from the Philippines, I hope we can have other options/method to order your product. :)
Appreciate the knowledge share🥳
Please get pro riders to torture the board before launch and then listen to what they report. I feel like the GT wasn't tested enough before it got into the wild. Many problems could have been avoided before mass production. Those footpad ridges alone made me regret my purchase more than once.
So impressive, i just put my deposit down for the adv pro
All I want for Christmas is a float wheel.
Great !
Thank you thank you thank you! While not everyone may appreciate these detailed explanation’s, many of us do. Especially the trouble shooting/development paths. The light module is brilliant, though, and I may of misunderstood, does the deck bar dim when rider mounts? (As it should) I’ve already had to tape over a couple of clients boards deck lights, kills night vision.
when you are above 5kph it turns off, ew are planning to tune the brightness down abit, jeff from TFL also mentioned this deck bar being too bright.
@@floatwheel the problem isn't when you are riding as the gt light turns off while riding as well. The problem is at night when you stop for a 5 mins, you try to glance down at your board and get completely blinded.
@@chrisc790 maybe we will use tinting plastic to make the lightbar then.
Fantastic
Having a 2nd coffee
Downunder
“Good for 1.2 amps, I remember…we are only using a fraction of that… to… you know, make you blind” 😂😂😂
Another great video Tony, thank you! I was hoping you'd also talk about the thermal management on the ESC. How big is the heat sink and can it transfer heat to the rails?
Thank you Dado! yes the heat will be transfered to the top lid and to the rail, there is a connecting piece that connects the bottom heat sink to the charging port and then to the lid not showed in the video.
@@floatwheel this is great to hear! More power means more heat, so we gotta make sure that heat doesn't become the bottleneck
Can we get some ride footage? Like ACTUAL ride footage and not just carving on a flat & boring beach. We need to see this thing handle gnarly trails, big drops and brutal bonks. Durability is such an important aspect of Onewheels and this needs to survive rigorous torture tests to be considered a viable option.
Wwe need to see TFL guys torture it in sacramento!
@@floatwheel you absolutely need to send those guys a board for testing.
Wow
Also will you make the schematics available to the community?
i fried some mosfets in my vesc when I momentarily crossed two output wires. I replaced them (mosfets) with new ones. It starts up ok with no output, I can program it etc now. what would happen If it tested it with a motor and the drive gates were bad? would it cause further damage? they are hard to replace, be good to avoid, is there a way to test the output of the vesc at low current with my oscilloscope to see if the gates are working maybe? tyhanks
How big is the space within the Cannon core motor and how possible would it be to place the controller in there instead making more room in the front footpad? Haven't tried to make calculations from the pictures but that motor core seems generous in space. Not to mention that a connection to the rails as a heatsink would still be possible. Less impact from curb nudges as well.
Are you guys going to be sending test units to content creators?
yes！
I can't wait until this board is available this looks like it smokes the little focer 3.1.
They will be similar.
Looks like very week though design and also RTR ready which for sure will be warmly welcomed by local service shops. My worries about controller overheating on sreep long inclines are still there :-(
Will a schematic be provided if requested for the beach board?
HEY FFM! “Technology leadership is not defined by patents”. I’m looking forward to to Float Wheel’s success…. Of course until they f***k it up like FFM 😉 ❤
I see a USB c on that board. Do I have to open the 🛹 every time I want to do software changes or is there an external port?
Tony, looking to the future do you see yourself selling a trick style board, maybe with less range but lighter (say XR weight)?
Xr weight is really hard to beat, but we are working on it, it will require a new hub material such a s plastic, and maybe even go belt drive to save hub weight.
Does VESC and this board allow for an audio warning when pushback occurs?
There's a buzzer you can turn on or off
@@VESCmann Sweet, is it louder than the one on the GT?
does the vesc have any buck convertor itself for things like custom lights or accessories?
You mean other than the "light control module"?
@@danilolattaro yes
@@auden_builds the 10.5V buck regulator (SY8501) is good for 1A
@@auden_builds and the 5V buck (MT1471) is good for about 2A
2A on the 5V line will automatically draw 1A from the 10V line
Are those electrolytic caps?
yup
Now that the axle is bigger, the onewheel bearings will not work. What brand and size of bearing will be in ADV?
We will be using 6815DDU from NSK if That's not available, skf would be second choice.
@@floatwheel Awesome thank you, did some research and its not really easily purchasable. Considering the board is waterproof will you be selling bearings separate as well? :)
@@qapaMcFly no worries it would be really easy to get this, just shoot us an email if you need bearing change,we can ship world wide
@@floatwheel Awesome, next winter i will be shredding some powder on ADV then :)
Hi Tony. I’ve emailed you a few times over the last week regarding my order but haven’t had a reply. Can you please check your junk in case they are going there? Thanks.
Hey Tony, you mention the Floatwheel has Apple Watch support but is there also support for Samsung Galaxy Watch, or any plans to add it?
I need to take a look at that but I believe it's really hard to support tizen
@@floatwheel The Galaxy Watches switched to WearOS last year with the Galaxy Watch 4 which is supposed to be a lot easier to develop for. Onewheel has an app for WearOS
@@Jdb63 after digging up some info, it's already supported with metr app
@@floatwheel Awesome news!
Very good content and product. If you need a dealer in the USA hit me up!
I've had 2 unexpected shutoffs while riding my XR due to crappy jw manufacture and their shoddy ffm chip. My range is shit now with stock battery with 4500 mi. Considering gt or floatwheel for the summer. How much can I trust your/vesc controller to not try to kill me
Can this be used on electric unicycles? What about electric motorcycles that are 84 V or higher
our vesc is 84v rated, can be used in EUC.
@@floatwheel oh ,thanks
Im gonna ask for a friend of mine. VNR options?
potentially gtmod supported in the future
@@floatwheel Meaning modding the GT onewheel itself or are you talking about something else under "GT" I mean external batteries that sit on top of the fender. Vamp and Ride.
@@jaydr0id568 Charrge and ride is disabled, because if you ride when its charging it might break the charging cable and cause a short out to hamage the BMS. but maybe we will have gtmod come up with a thing that's like the gt40 taht sit on top of the fender and offer extra range
@@floatwheel Agreed. which is why i didn't type "charge and ride" I said "vamp and ride" similar to the GT40 which is what i assume you meant originally. Having VNR on this new wheel will easily make it MUCH more likable for the 80 mile range external battery board riders out there. Just a pointer to push this wheel to the most preferable placement.
Does the BMS report cell voltages through CAN ? Is it possible to use it with smaller pack like 15 or 18s ?
Thanks Tony for responding 🤙
nope it is not communicating with VESC via can, but it can be configured to work with 3-20s
Is there any way to get in contact with you? I’ve tried sending an email a few days ago but would love to talk if you can
Just shoot me questions here😃
@@floatwheel Sure thing, I am an engineering student Embry-Riddle and I’ve been working with a few friends developing a travel battery. It can break apart into 100wh groups of cells to allow it to be taken apart and traveled with according to FAA regulations. We have been making it out of 186500 cells in an 18s2p configuration that splits into 4 9cell groups. I would love to design this for the floatwheel and since it is a few months out we could have one ready by the time it is released!
@@rileysavoy3453 That's an interesting design, but you can also make a 99Wh sticker so you go straight on airplane. Kidding aside, 18s2p will work on the adv but disassemble it would be hella time consuming, maybe lets move this travelling friendly design in the next smaller commuter board? but if you guys are on it maybe we can send you some dimensions of the board?
@@floatwheel so I actually have been making this for the XR to work in tandem with a hotswap system that I have been making. It just requires you to remove the footpad and undo a few screws to pull out the whole battery in a matter of minutes. It is for VESC only as the battery requires a bms to be attached to the battery and we can’t do that with $400 FM bms’s. That’s why I’m so excited that you have a cheap bms, it makes this much more feasible.
@@rileysavoy3453 yea with our vesc, you can just develop a 9s bms within the battery shell, it's really easy to do a travel pack, just need to design a new bms and shell system.
My concern is how much grey hair you have lol. You look so young so I hope you're not stressing yourself out too much over this ;)
Aawww, thank you, you are so kind, it's a genetic thing tho,please don't worry I will take care of myself 🥰
@@floatwheel ❤
Shame the idea of some sort of GPS capability never crossed your mind. Allot of us are afraid our OW's will get stolen so we hide Tiles or Airtags inside.
How can the groove matter?
High voltage & thermal isolation.
Lots of specs and claims but can you guys (from Floatwheel) actually show us some riding pls?
ISSUE on your FLOATWHEEL shopsite. Hi Tony, thanks for this videos and sorry to reach out in "public" to you, but there is no response via your contact form on the website since a couple of mails (during 3 days) after my non recognized purchase. Please double check the krypto transfer ending on ....AZTA... check my emails and come back to me. thanks a lot and locking forward to this board!!!
No worries！we saw your order coming in, you overpaid us 17$ so it triggered an overpaid warnings, lemme create your order for u!
your order# is 1593 now, thank you for shopping with us
@@floatwheel Cheers mate. thx for the quick response and fixing this. Can’t wait for the next video .. and of course my 6hp / 84v / VESC shredding machine !!