I agree 100% with why they have to protect their patent. What I don't agree with is not selling parts, being dicks, and poor customer, or let's say, variable customer service. But, and there is always a but, they could license, they could accept that there is a 3rd party ecosphere, they could be more transparent, they could be nicer. There is literally a long list of things they could do, that would in no way jeopardize their IP, and they refuse to even think about doing those things. It's ludicrous. They created the need for competition. Literally. They have so many people pissed off that don't know anything about the patents, the social media stuff, none of that, who are angry about the treatment they get from them. I work on these boards. Why aren't there torque specs? Why aren't there wiring diagrams? Why can't I buy parts? Why can't I own the very expensive boards that I have? I don't want to rent them from FM. I have two perfectly fine XR's right now that need BMS's. I'll have to buy from the used market to get them. Ridiculous. These are the issues that then need to deal with, and they should never have to explain why they have to protect their patents. I sure wouldn't. Most companies wouldn't. It's no ones business really. Let them address some of the issues I've listed, then we can talk about FM.
What exactly have they patented? Electric motors and cooling fins that have been around forever, or single wheel boards that were patented at least 7 years before Kyle started doing anything...
I agree that they should be selling parts and not antagonizing 3rd party folks... not sure about why they don't. As far as right to repair, I'm assuming it's a legal liability/safety issue.
FM is so anti-consumer it is inexcusable. Binding ESC and BMS so if you unplug it its loses all its programming. Going to propriety hub size to limit tire options so FM can control the tire market. Warranty that would void if you rode a hill at 15degree incline lol. Sticking their head in the sand for months about GT ghosting Sticking their head in the sand for months about bent and damaged pint battery wires Forced app and board updates that have damaged peoples boards. Removing customers ability to see individual battery cell health. Fkn why? Difficult convoluted and expensive repair process for anyone who lives overseas. I would rather wait till FM’s patent expires than buy another board from them.
I find it absolutely hilarious how he's all like, "Nah, this ain't a sport!" at around 50 seconds, but then suddenly at three minutes and 20 seconds, he's all like, "Man, I'm head over heels for this sport!" 😂😂😂
Haha, same. I would say it *can* be a sport, but whether it is or not doesn't even really matter.... Also him mentioning that 350,000 OneWheels out there isn't that much as if that has any bearing on whether it's a "sport" or not? The number of boards out there really doesn't matter.
Context: English is not fully literal language. The first instance is that it’s not a mainstream or recognized sport. But nonetheless he loved it as a sport
I think you're absolutely nailed it. I can't comment on their motivations of wanting to or not wanting to, but private equity firms are their own force of nature.
Bravo! well-articulated explanation! However, FM does not instill confidence in owning their product especially when they don't appear to value the customer...
Soooo… I hear you. Boiling this video down even further… FM has to sue to protect patents and their investors. 🤷♂️ That feels like a teaspoon of info from the gallon of issues the one wheeled electric skateboard community is upset about. The latest straw to break the camels back was the FM suit of FW. I like Onewheels too and own 1 GT, 2 XRs, and a Pint. One of the many points that bothers me is the fact Kyle did not invent the first one wheeled electric skateboard… he was the first to recreate it and patent as much of it as he could.
I agree the patent suing is only one component. But as far as Kyle not inventing it, while that's true, he did figure out a way to commercialize the idea by building them at scale with pushback and footpads etc with very few lemons out of the box.
2:30 Does anyone else see the extreme irony and hypocrisy in FMs stance against Floatwheel as them being a "chinese knock off" and always touting how they're made in America when one of their major behind the scenes investors is a large Chinese investment firm?
Maybe they have to defend the patents bc of their investors. But as there's evident prior art to each of the patents, they won't hold up anyway, so why waste company funds on defending the indefensible? Also, Management can put this decision in front of the shareholders. They don't blindly have to sue "for the investors". So bottom line, the lawsuit is a decision by management, for the sole reason to DELAY FW full scale market entry in the US. Floatwheel has shown how big of a margin FM are taking, and the social media onslaught FM has funded since the GTS came out just shows they're willing to burn money to keep the cash cow on the pasture and stifle competition as long as possible.
that might be true, but what is problematic here is that USA system ALLOWS patent crucial parts for whole category, for example there is noone having patent for creating vehicle with 4 wheels, but future motion have patent for creating vehicle with one wheel which is self balancing. That is problem
Bro what?😂 did you even hear what he just said they don’t patent the balancing part and the fact that it has a single wheel. Listen Future motion owns several patents that make up the Onewheel. Patents are granted to inventors to protect their intellectual property and give them exclusive rights to their inventions for a certain period of time. This allows inventors to have a monopoly on their invention and recoup their investment in research and development. After 20 years, the patents will expire and then it goes into the public domain, and that’s when competition can start, and people can start to improve upon future motions design.
Yeah. Still going every other route that FM. I understand their reasoning and I take my business elsewhere. Can not support this company and will not unless they are at a minimum of where Tony is at. I not paying an over price, for something that is super restricted for me and when something breaks have to send it from Europe to Cali. The only thing I send to them is my middle finger. Sad because they are probs pretty cool dudes.
Dude, this situation is giving me major Tesla vibes! You know, it's like when people say, "I'm not gonna buy from this company," but then they totally cave and end up getting the product anyway. And then there's the whole dilemma with Jeff Bezos-someone's like, "Nah, I don't support him," but they're ordering from Amazon like it's their personal shopping mall! In the end, everyone's got something negative to throw out there, but who cares, right? It's like, "I can't stand Kyle and Elon," but hey, guess what? I've got a freaking Onewheel and a Tesla sitting in my garage, and turns out, they're actually pretty awesome products! Who would've thought? It's all just a wild ride of contradictions and unexpected discoveries!
@@harry_schuh what a coincidence. Anyways It's understandable to feel conflicted about certain companies and their leaders, especially when their actions don't align with our values. It can be frustrating when we see others support these companies despite their misgivings. But it's also important to recognize that it's not always easy to make a perfect ethical choice in this complex world. At the end of the day, we all have different priorities and circumstances that influence our decisions. It's okay to appreciate the positive aspects of a product or service, even if we don't necessarily agree with everything about the company behind it. Ultimately, we're all just trying to navigate this crazy world as best we can.
Cracks me up to see the people commenting on here about how they don’t like FM and don’t understand why they are doing what the are…clearly you didnt watch the video
Absolutely normal behavior from fm but competition is good for the customer so I’m happy that now we have a new player in the game this will be good for price and customer service.
The patent system is 🐂💩, just because you get a piece of paper saying you came up with something first shouldn’t give you control of that forever, if few years (3-5yrs) later others want to innovate on that idea and bring something similar but better to market they should be allowed creating competition better for innovation and consumers pockets
it is what it is buddy also Patents last 20 years and their is a reason for that. Patents are granted to inventors to protect their intellectual property and give them exclusive rights to their inventions for a certain period of time. This allows inventors to have a monopoly on their invention and recoup their investment in research and development. Additionally, patent protection encourages innovation by providing inventors with the incentive to create new and groundbreaking technologies. Without patent protection, inventors may be hesitant to share their ideas and inventions, which could hinder scientific progress and technological advancements. Therefore, the 20-year patent term is designed to strike a balance between rewarding inventors for their contributions and ensuring that society can benefit from their inventions in the long run. After a patent expires, it enters the public domain and people can freely use and build upon the technology. This fosters competition and further innovation as others can improve upon the original invention. It also allows for the dissemination of knowledge and the sharing of ideas, leading to the development of new technologies and advancements. In this way, the expiration of patents contributes to the continuous progress of society and the economy.
@@Grace_580 20yr patents stifle innovation, this is why Japan, China & Korea have better electronics faster than we do, it doesn’t take 20yrs to recoup research and development money, this is just another arbitrary number somebody in control came up with not to better society but to make big business more money not create competition
@@c.daubz.5386 Yes, they do. That's the point. However, after 20 years, the product goes into the public domain and people can innovate on it and do whatever they want. But during the patent period, they do have the right to monopolize it for research and development and profits. You saw what happened with hoverboards, right? People innovated too fast and it cost a lot. And now they are not allowed on planes and public transportation because they blew up. FM has their reasons, and you can argue, but there's nothing you can do about it except bicker or support it. You can have a huge opinion on it, but long-term, it's very good for the potential sport it could eventually turn into.
I don't understand something. How FM has patents ? or why no one is opposing his patents. Long before Kyle did these things, people had already done them and posted videos. So this was a product that existed on TH-cam. He just industrialized it, that's all. But the known technique does not fall under the patent element. For example another videos in 2009. th-cam.com/video/pVQgE7mh_rc/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/rhfugvQB1jY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/8RPFNUsuW78/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/eN2J8m_E0go/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/YHAjM-BpKJs/w-d-xo.html
He got to the "I work in the beer industry"part and I stopped the vid. A dude who works in the alcohol industry says the Future Motion folks have "Good Vibes". Someone please check the Early Life section lolol.
@@DarthTinderalla-qm9zw there’s no evidence that what your saying is correct and even if it was those people don’t give a damn and if they did they would’ve down something about it a long time ago buddy
I think if we're defining "sport" as something a lot of people do, and excellence at it matters, then he makes sense. It's like choosing what gets added to the Olympics. I think Miles is hearing the comment as "OWers aren't amazing, skilled athletes" (they are) and I don't think that's what the OP meant. Still, no need to diss another rider brah.
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I agree 100% with why they have to protect their patent. What I don't agree with is not selling parts, being dicks, and poor customer, or let's say, variable customer service. But, and there is always a but, they could license, they could accept that there is a 3rd party ecosphere, they could be more transparent, they could be nicer. There is literally a long list of things they could do, that would in no way jeopardize their IP, and they refuse to even think about doing those things. It's ludicrous. They created the need for competition. Literally. They have so many people pissed off that don't know anything about the patents, the social media stuff, none of that, who are angry about the treatment they get from them. I work on these boards. Why aren't there torque specs? Why aren't there wiring diagrams? Why can't I buy parts? Why can't I own the very expensive boards that I have? I don't want to rent them from FM. I have two perfectly fine XR's right now that need BMS's. I'll have to buy from the used market to get them. Ridiculous. These are the issues that then need to deal with, and they should never have to explain why they have to protect their patents. I sure wouldn't. Most companies wouldn't. It's no ones business really. Let them address some of the issues I've listed, then we can talk about FM.
What exactly have they patented? Electric motors and cooling fins that have been around forever, or single wheel boards that were patented at least 7 years before Kyle started doing anything...
@@MiniEvrides-ll2kx The patents are easy to see, just look them up. They have a bunch of them.
I agree that they should be selling parts and not antagonizing 3rd party folks... not sure about why they don't. As far as right to repair, I'm assuming it's a legal liability/safety issue.
@@harry_schuh that’s what they want you to believe.
Nothing prevents them from liscencing their patents to third parties.
FM is so anti-consumer it is inexcusable.
Binding ESC and BMS so if you unplug it its loses all its programming.
Going to propriety hub size to limit tire options so FM can control the tire market.
Warranty that would void if you rode a hill at 15degree incline lol.
Sticking their head in the sand for months about GT ghosting
Sticking their head in the sand for months about bent and damaged pint battery wires
Forced app and board updates that have damaged peoples boards.
Removing customers ability to see individual battery cell health. Fkn why?
Difficult convoluted and expensive repair process for anyone who lives overseas.
I would rather wait till FM’s patent expires than buy another board from them.
Yeah bricking the board has to be a liability issue, but I the proprietary hub is def a money grab for tires.
I find it absolutely hilarious how he's all like, "Nah, this ain't a sport!" at around 50 seconds, but then suddenly at three minutes and 20 seconds, he's all like, "Man, I'm head over heels for this sport!" 😂😂😂
Haha, same. I would say it *can* be a sport, but whether it is or not doesn't even really matter.... Also him mentioning that 350,000 OneWheels out there isn't that much as if that has any bearing on whether it's a "sport" or not? The number of boards out there really doesn't matter.
Context: English is not fully literal language. The first instance is that it’s not a mainstream or recognized sport. But nonetheless he loved it as a sport
I feel good I did not buy GTS to support this evil company
Do you support Jeff Bezos
I finally found somebody about my age that rides one wheels. I love it great job
I think you're absolutely nailed it. I can't comment on their motivations of wanting to or not wanting to, but private equity firms are their own force of nature.
They want their return, and they ain't getting it with only 350k boards.
@@harry_schuhis that how many they’ve sold total?
Bravo! well-articulated explanation! However, FM does not instill confidence in owning their product especially when they don't appear to value the customer...
Thank the lucky stars above that Budweiser is not our only beer option
FM cant do anything. Let them ruin their rep
Their rep is for sure taking a beating, but they gotta keep their investors happy.
Soooo… I hear you. Boiling this video down even further… FM has to sue to protect patents and their investors. 🤷♂️ That feels like a teaspoon of info from the gallon of issues the one wheeled electric skateboard community is upset about. The latest straw to break the camels back was the FM suit of FW. I like Onewheels too and own 1 GT, 2 XRs, and a Pint. One of the many points that bothers me is the fact Kyle did not invent the first one wheeled electric skateboard… he was the first to recreate it and patent as much of it as he could.
I agree the patent suing is only one component. But as far as Kyle not inventing it, while that's true, he did figure out a way to commercialize the idea by building them at scale with pushback and footpads etc with very few lemons out of the box.
The straw that broke my back was the FORCED update with buzzkill. I've owned Pint, XR and GT. Sold the GT for a FW and I'm not looking back.
2:30 Does anyone else see the extreme irony and hypocrisy in FMs stance against Floatwheel as them being a "chinese knock off" and always touting how they're made in America when one of their major behind the scenes investors is a large Chinese investment firm?
I don't like Future Motion, but that doesn't matter, they invent, build and produce in the US.
@@haemse All of the parts are manufactured in China, which is the majority of the labor.
0:51
3:22
3:29 facts?
Lol😂
Haha. That's good.
This made me chuckle
Amen.
thanks for a clear and concise take on the matter.
Maybe they have to defend the patents bc of their investors. But as there's evident prior art to each of the patents, they won't hold up anyway, so why waste company funds on defending the indefensible?
Also, Management can put this decision in front of the shareholders. They don't blindly have to sue "for the investors".
So bottom line, the lawsuit is a decision by management, for the sole reason to DELAY FW full scale market entry in the US.
Floatwheel has shown how big of a margin FM are taking, and the social media onslaught FM has funded since the GTS came out just shows they're willing to burn money to keep the cash cow on the pasture and stifle competition as long as possible.
Ok Buddy.
that might be true, but what is problematic here is that USA system ALLOWS patent crucial parts for whole category, for example there is noone having patent for creating vehicle with 4 wheels, but future motion have patent for creating vehicle with one wheel which is self balancing. That is problem
Bro what?😂 did you even hear what he just said they don’t patent the balancing part and the fact that it has a single wheel. Listen Future motion owns several patents that make up the Onewheel.
Patents are granted to inventors to protect their intellectual property and give them exclusive rights to their inventions for a certain period of time. This allows inventors to have a monopoly on their invention and recoup their investment in research and development. After 20 years, the patents will expire and then it goes into the public domain, and that’s when competition can start, and people can start to improve upon future motions design.
F future motion
Tony is not in the United States tho and u.s. laws are not legal outside the country
It is if it’s being advertised in this United States
I didn't know FW has ads. @@Grace_580
Great news for EUC manufacturers as it means more people switch to riding them as there is such a huge range of models to choose from.
Yeah. Still going every other route that FM. I understand their reasoning and I take my business elsewhere. Can not support this company and will not unless they are at a minimum of where Tony is at. I not paying an over price, for something that is super restricted for me and when something breaks have to send it from Europe to Cali. The only thing I send to them is my middle finger. Sad because they are probs pretty cool dudes.
Apple is fucked too dude android all the way lets go right to repair
Dude, this situation is giving me major Tesla vibes! You know, it's like when people say, "I'm not gonna buy from this company," but then they totally cave and end up getting the product anyway. And then there's the whole dilemma with Jeff Bezos-someone's like, "Nah, I don't support him," but they're ordering from Amazon like it's their personal shopping mall!
In the end, everyone's got something negative to throw out there, but who cares, right? It's like, "I can't stand Kyle and Elon," but hey, guess what? I've got a freaking Onewheel and a Tesla sitting in my garage, and turns out, they're actually pretty awesome products! Who would've thought? It's all just a wild ride of contradictions and unexpected discoveries!
Ha I have a Tesla too.
@@harry_schuh what a coincidence. Anyways It's understandable to feel conflicted about certain companies and their leaders, especially when their actions don't align with our values. It can be frustrating when we see others support these companies despite their misgivings. But it's also important to recognize that it's not always easy to make a perfect ethical choice in this complex world. At the end of the day, we all have different priorities and circumstances that influence our decisions. It's okay to appreciate the positive aspects of a product or service, even if we don't necessarily agree with everything about the company behind it. Ultimately, we're all just trying to navigate this crazy world as best we can.
Cracks me up to see the people commenting on here about how they don’t like FM and don’t understand why they are doing what the are…clearly you didnt watch the video
Absolutely normal behavior from fm but competition is good for the customer so I’m happy that now we have a new player in the game this will be good for price and customer service.
The patent system is 🐂💩, just because you get a piece of paper saying you came up with something first shouldn’t give you control of that forever, if few years (3-5yrs) later others want to innovate on that idea and bring something similar but better to market they should be allowed creating competition better for innovation and consumers pockets
it is what it is buddy also Patents last 20 years and their is a reason for that. Patents are granted to inventors to protect their intellectual property and give them exclusive rights to their inventions for a certain period of time. This allows inventors to have a monopoly on their invention and recoup their investment in research and development. Additionally, patent protection encourages innovation by providing inventors with the incentive to create new and groundbreaking technologies. Without patent protection, inventors may be hesitant to share their ideas and inventions, which could hinder scientific progress and technological advancements. Therefore, the 20-year patent term is designed to strike a balance between rewarding inventors for their contributions and ensuring that society can benefit from their inventions in the long run. After a patent expires, it enters the public domain and people can freely use and build upon the technology. This fosters competition and further innovation as others can improve upon the original invention. It also allows for the dissemination of knowledge and the sharing of ideas, leading to the development of new technologies and advancements. In this way, the expiration of patents contributes to the continuous progress of society and the economy.
@@Grace_580 20yr patents stifle innovation, this is why Japan, China & Korea have better electronics faster than we do, it doesn’t take 20yrs to recoup research and development money, this is just another arbitrary number somebody in control came up with not to better society but to make big business more money not create competition
@@c.daubz.5386 Yes, they do. That's the point. However, after 20 years, the product goes into the public domain and people can innovate on it and do whatever they want. But during the patent period, they do have the right to monopolize it for research and development and profits. You saw what happened with hoverboards, right? People innovated too fast and it cost a lot. And now they are not allowed on planes and public transportation because they blew up. FM has their reasons, and you can argue, but there's nothing you can do about it except bicker or support it. You can have a huge opinion on it, but long-term, it's very good for the potential sport it could eventually turn into.
FM, the apple of the PEV world
Well said 💯
If future motion didn’t blow chunks maybe I’d be on there side but alas
Who the fugg is this guy who love this nonnsport sport!
I don't understand something. How FM has patents ? or why no one is opposing his patents. Long before Kyle did these things, people had already done them and posted videos. So this was a product that existed on TH-cam. He just industrialized it, that's all. But the known technique does not fall under the patent element. For example another videos in 2009.
th-cam.com/video/pVQgE7mh_rc/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/rhfugvQB1jY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/8RPFNUsuW78/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/eN2J8m_E0go/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/YHAjM-BpKJs/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video. Solid take!
gracias.
He got to the "I work in the beer industry"part and I stopped the vid. A dude who works in the alcohol industry says the Future Motion folks have "Good Vibes". Someone please check the Early Life section lolol.
Finally someone gets it...Same with trademarks. It's ridiculous the whiners out here. I'm with FM.
Well, outside the lawsuit, do you still think FM's in the right with the litany of other grievances listed by owners in the comments?
So you support them stealing and parenting other people's inventions. First the one wheel itself and then at least half of the accessories.
I cannot hear you over the breeze blowing through my ever-longer ear hairs
@@DarthTinderalla-qm9zw there’s no evidence that what your saying is correct and even if it was those people don’t give a damn and if they did they would’ve down something about it a long time ago buddy
Actually, JUST with trademarks. It doesn’t apply to patents or copyrights.
I don't think people that are limited to riding around on the sidewalk should have comments about this being a sport or not.
I also ride on newly paved streets, carefully manicured grass, and sometimes recently graded wide gravel roads. What's your point?
I think if we're defining "sport" as something a lot of people do, and excellence at it matters, then he makes sense. It's like choosing what gets added to the Olympics. I think Miles is hearing the comment as "OWers aren't amazing, skilled athletes" (they are) and I don't think that's what the OP meant. Still, no need to diss another rider brah.
your opinion of what a sport is, hugely inaccurate.... it's like you just made up something that makes you comfortable. lol