Take it from me, if you are thinking about getting the Revolver, reconsider. Mine hasn’t held up. It’s almost 3 years old, but the vinyl has shrunk and is coming unglued, and the felt strips on the bottom were falling down within the first summer in the Mississippi heat. I’m extremely disappointed in the longevity of the cover, especially considering the $1000 (give or take) that I paid for it. I feel as though I have taken care of it the best I can. It has had sun exposure for essentially 3 years straight, but then again, the bakflip on my dads 2012 Tundra while a bit faded is still going strong.
Same with mine, 2.5 years, the replacement no longer has felt, as in this video it has rubberized material in place of the felt, and it was replaced under warranty. The vinyl to aluminum/rubber looks more solid. We’ll see if this last longer.
Exact same experience. I've had two Bakflip Revolvers, my neighbor has had two, and my brother in law has had one. On every single one, after 2-3 years in the Texas sun, the vinyl starts shrinking and failing around the edges. I'm thinking going with an MX4 the next time around.
They stood by their warranty, They said they changed vinyl supplies after the first 18 months of the 4x and it should hold up better. They sent me a new one.
I like the idea of being able to see out the back with the revolver. what I don’t like about the revolver is it looks like it’s vinyl so somebody might stick a knife in it to rip it open. Yes they wouldn’t get in, but they would damage your whole top. With the backflip it’s easy to take it off when you put that big item in and it’s light enough and narrow enough to set it inside the bed. Plus when you look at the backflip, you know it’s aluminum so you know you can’t easily break in. so my choice is for the back flip.
I had the Revolver on my Chevrolet High Country for a couple of years. I liked it but the revolver had to be completely closed or completely open. I sold the Revolver and purchased the MX4. The MX4 can be opened one panel at a time. So if I only need my truck bed open 1/4 or 1/2 of the way, I have the option. Really like the overall look of the X4S, however the MX4 works better for me. Great video.
I have revolver x4 on my truck. I would rate it 3 out of 5. It looks good and easy to operate but it leaks quite a bit around the tail gate, freezes in the winter and you can not open it, also had a headache when some sand got it the rails because it's almost impossible to clean it. Had to take it all appart. Couple good things about this cover is that it does not block rear window, it works with a Tracrack SR and thats why I bought it in a first place.
I've had the Bak Flip on my 2017 Silverado for the past 6 years. Even though the Revolver looks great unfolded, I'd still go with the Bak Flip (again) when I decide to buy a new pickup. Thank you for sharing this video, gentlemen. It was very informative.
@@marksydor3108 Mainly because I'm a creature of habit. I've had success with my current Bak Flip so I see no reason to switch. Also, I live in the desert southwest and the sun beating down on the vinyl of the Revolver would destroy it. Both look nice but once again, the Bak Flip is my choice.
Same. I've owned the MX4 Bakflip since 2018 and would buy another or possibly the F1 by Bakflip for the higher end finish look. I have the bed camera so it still allows be to look at cargo in the bed if needed
My older trucks I always had a tool box in the back. My new Chevy came with a roll up cover that I wanted to keep and I was able to find a tool box that fits up tight to the front of the box and allows me to open the lid to gain access. The roll top is the only cover that would allow me to do this and have a 5th wheel hitch.
Great comparison. I've been set on the X4S for awhile now but someone local is selling an MX4 for half the cost of new, so I've been going back and forth. I think I'm still gonna go with the X4S. Biggest reason is being able to see out my back window with out fully open. Plus I like the cleaner look vs the folded one.
I also don’t like how the mx4 actually leans up against your truck when opened. I think I’m just going to go the cheap route and get a rough country. Seems crazy to pay $1k+ for one of these.
I have the X4s revolver, on 2017 Ridgeline RTL-E. I like it much better than the 22:13 tri-fold that came with the truck. These are my complaints; in the upstate New York winter, if there is any snow melt, the cover freezes in the track. I have had a number of complaints regarding the end caps just disappearing. The company has been very good about replacing these at no cost. Attempts to glue end caps have not been successful, nor has silicone applications. Last I heard, there was a new end cap being developed. Waiting to hear back.
I put the Revolver on my 2022 GMC 1500 Denali, I am now having to replace it as it’s falling apart. The adhesive has failed on the slats and internal carpet in 2 years. I loved the cover operation and features, but not happy with wear and tear. Considering the MX4 or the Under Cover flip up.
If you live in any hot environment i highly recommend going with the mx4 which is essentially an upgrade to the bakflip g2 which ive owned for 4years, my truck stays outside in the south florida heat and it has aged very well, i know its a bit more work to operate than the revolver but to me it is well worth it, i just bought a brand new truck and based on my personal experience with the g2 it is a no brainer, i will be going with the mx4
Was in the market for a bed cover and never considered the roll up due to the fact they’re usually vinyl and velcro. I like the X4S and hope they have one for a 8ft bed!
I'm picturing using both of these during a Northen IL winter. After owning a roll up cover in the past, I know I'm going to have times when there's maybe ice or snow on the cover and I'll need to open it. The Roll Bak may present some issues in this case. I'd like to see a video with ice and 2" of snow on it and see him roll it open.
As the owner of a roll up cover I can say that two of my biggest gripes are that there is no factory recommended way to have it partially open. If I need to haul something and if any part of an object sticks up higher than the bed rails then it technically needs to be FULLY open. Not a fan of that. Also, the vinyl nearest the tailgate gets creased after some use and it eventually splits and cracks open.
I’m looking at lomax as well, but i saw a vid where the last pannel looked fairly easy to pull up with your hand, wondering if it’ll be pretty easy to pull it up enough to slip a coat hangar in. I know a thief will get in regardless, but it just looked too easy. What’s your experience with it?
@@B-Rad-Gee I just went out and looked at it and yes someone could lift it up and get in but you can only lift maybe half an inch and you need to get lucky to pull the string. I have stuff back there all the time and never had anything stollen in over 2 years. cover still works as new
My experience with the Revolver cover in California wasn't a good one... I had an X2 and not only did the felt/ carpet strips underneath come unglued from heat, but the vinyl covering shrank away from the sides, cracked and came unglued.
I’ve had the exact same experience. My vinyl covering hasn’t cracked but it has shrank and it is coming unglued. The felt strips that help keep you from getting pinched when rolling up the cover came off within the first summer in the Mississippi heat. When it does get icy here, you can forget about rolling it up lol. I’m extremely disappointed with it considering the $1000 price tag. It’s barely been 3 years and it’s basically toast. Meanwhile the bakflip on my dads 2012 tundra, while it does look a bit weathered, still going strong.
I have the Bakflip for my 1500. Planning to get the Bak Revolver for my next truck. Same reason, rear window access. I found that the little arms don’t keep the tri-fold secure at highway speeds all of the time. Looks like revolver takes up less forward bed space.
I had a backflip for 12 years. In winter on ram 1500, only issue was rubber freezing to tailgate. Fluid film each year fixed that. I’m wondering on the revolver how does rail work in winter w freezing? Second issue with backflip was over time the insulation has absorbed water making cover very heavy. I was going to cut slots in bottom to tru to allow to dry or replace insulation. Any ideas on that?
Great video guys! Thanks! I’m a newbie at all of this and your review is so helpful! I wish I had men like you in my life that could help me with the install!! Aloha from Colorado!
Hello at the 20:00 minute mark could you elaborate which takes up less space in the open position? Trying to fit a bike in and the tire is close to bed on cab side thanks
Have a bak flip on my 2015 Ram 2500 Mega Cab. It flips all the way up flat across back window which allows me to pull my 5th wheel camper. It has lasted 7 years but the rubber seals around the flip panels are falling apart.
My Ford F150 was purchased 12/2021, a BAK Revolver X4 was added with the original purchase. It has a Ford emblem installed either by a licensed third-party purchaser or by BAK. ANYWAY, THE TOP VINYL PULLED AWAY FROM the glue, as did the felt underneath. The third-party vendor replaced it 7/5/24 and no more felt, it has rubber brackets in place of felt now. My question has to do with warranty, if you know. I’m being told there’s only a 1 year warranty on the replacement, but I’m also hearing that BAK has a 5-year warranty. Do you know what the warranty is? Great video, thank you!
@@brianbolton8199 it’s a five-year warranty from the original purchase date, yes, they don’t make the X4 anymore, which had the original aluminum color underneath along with fabric. from what you’re describing it sounds like the warranty replaced it with an X4s cover. When you cover rolls up, it should now be black painted aluminum like the one in this video. You’re welcome thanks for the comment!
It is the best video i have seen , very well made. Question, is one of them allow to install temporarely a truck caps without taking the rails off. I sometime go camping with my trailer and when i bring my bikes , i am looking to put them in the pickup truck bed and i may buy a Leer caps. Thanks for your very good work!
Hey They are both nice covers. I like a hard cover over a material. Not sure of revolver material over aluminum could eventually weaken and loosen being rolled up constantly. Backflip appears to be more solid and strength. I checked out Diamondback and Renegade hard covers. Great for top notch security purposes but I’m not going topside for hauling purpose. This leaves BakFlip. I think they company should come out with a headache rack to match up with BakFlip being fully open but not touching rear glass. I know there’s arms on both sides but you never know. I’m probably going with the BakFlip. Excellent video tutorial.
I'm switching from an MX4 to a to an X4s. I love the MX4 so why am I switching. I tow a light weight fifth wheel and I have to fold up against the rear window in order to hitch the trailer. In all honesty that really hasn't been much of an issue for me but is a little inconvenient. I'm getting a bit "long in the tooth" and that last fold up against the rear window while standing beside the truck using one arm is getting to be something of a strain. I've had the MX4 for over 5 years and like it but I feel for my purposes it's time to try a change.
@laurenh4657 after about 2-3 months with the X4S I traded trucks . I didn't hesitate in getting another X4S. The plastic rear corner tips have a tendency to detach. Happened to me once so far. Not hard to reattach and I'm aware of the issue. I still find the X4S more convenient and suitable for my purposes.
I’m not sure which model I have but mine has an exterior seal similar to the ones on the sides of these and it’s so irritating because it gets in the way of closing tailgate to where I have to close tailgate first then slam the cover shut that way the seal stays over the tailgate and not tuck itself inside
I’m so torn on these. I think I’m going Revolver as neither really support gear loading on top. I don’t want to lose 12” of bed length so roll/canister option out. I need full access & don’t want to give up 150 lbs of payload so Diamondback is out. I like that Revolver covers the bed, doesn’t block the window and I can easily remove it for full access if needed.
Hey Not sure if I ask. Which one did you choose ? I’m looking into both and others but keep coming back to these. It’s for a newer 2022 F250. I have older 2004 Dodge with original ARE top.
@@josephpuchel6497 I went Revolver. Only quirk is little end caps can pop off if you don’t press them in flat while rolling up. Overall it’s been a good solution. Simple.
What would you think the best would be for up in Canada with snow, currently have a tri-fold does not give full bed access and can freeze up in the winter, I like the roll up but I would question scraping the snow off of it do you think it would damage it and or rolling it up with a bit of snow on it that won't scrape off? Thanks.
Seeing as you are pretty in tune with covers - do you happen to know if you can put a Lomax Professional on a bed with a BedRug. It appears that the Lomax attaches to the front of the bed by two hooks that slip under the front top of the bed rail - which the BedRug pretty much covers up …?
i have the mx4 on my 2020 silverado and love it only thing is it blocks back window and blocks rearview/bed cameras. i really wanted the revolver but the side rails worried me i use my truck always hauling something and was concerned that the locking rails would be easy to damage.
Their is nothing perfect. Was going to get the revolver until I saw the delaminate occurring on the guy at works. Maybe the sentry is better. The flip style is proven.
Well done to both of you, I watched the retractable tonneau cover video you made and now this one. We have the Bakflip MX4 on our 2020 Silverado and now we’re looking for a cover for our 2023. Didn’t like the window blocking on the MX4. Think we’re going with the new revolver, with the help of your videos. You being in Minnesota how do the covers stand up to the snow and ice? Thanks
Great video. Very informative and the video everyone needs to watch if you are torn between the flip or the roll. If anyone cares I've decided on the roll and I will be purchasing from Real Truck as well. Thanks guys with help on the decision.
So I notice you have Minnesota plates...and maybe you've covered this in one of your other vidoes...but how does that X4S do in the winter time? Heard there can be issues getting it rolled up whenever the temps drop...any insight would be appreciated because that's my only draw back from pulling the trigger on one of these today
I'd also like to know. This seemed like the best tonneau but now that I've installed mine (X4TS) I'm wondering how it will hold up and operate in the cold, ice and snow. I don't park in a garage. I'm hoping I don't have to thaw it out at the car wash when I need to roll it open in winter. Great videos but wish he waa more responsive to comments and questions.
I know I’m late to the party here, but any info/thoughts on the how much the mounting rails protrude into the bed from the edge of the bed rail? Looks like the revolver rails are significantly wider? Any thoughts on whether these might cause problems with cargo leaning/bumping against them? What about the handles on the revolver? Do you see these getting in the way loading/unloading the bed? I am on my 2nd MX4 and have been pretty happy with them, but considering the revolver. Thanks for the review.
@@MakeManageGrowMoneyOnly on second one because of getting new trucks. Never had any problem with the durability of the side rails. Was just curious about whether the revolver side rails protruded further and would get in the way. FWIW I ended up going with another mx4 for my new truck.
@@christopherf.2102 o ok ok that makes sense. Thanks for sharing, I'm thinking about getting one. Do you think there is enough space to be compatible with a headache rack while the mx4 is unfolded all the way up?
I like the Revolver, how much of the bed width do you lose from the bed rail mounts? I tow a gooseneck and only have about 1.5 inches from my bedside when in a full 90 backing up.
Has anyone had a problem with the backflips getting waterlogged after a couple of years? I am getting ready to replace my 3rd backflips that I purchased thru Line-X, they have been very good about keeping to their lifetime warranty but I not very happy with the backflips type getting waterlogged. Just curious if anyone else has had this problem.
I am comparing these 2 again. I had the x4s on my last truck. It was way better than the x2 but I did not like the noise it makes while on the highway. Is the mx4 quieter or about the same noise?
Can you do a comparison video of the mx4 and the rough country low profile covers? They seem pretty similar but no one else on TH-cam has compared them yet?
Correct. That’s my biggest hangup with this cover. Without it locked in place (fully closed) that aluminum channel has no way to secure the cover down if it were only partially closed, which I find pretty valuable on my current retractable.
For someone who hauls dirt and mulch that gets dumped from a bobcat, is the rail system going to be a problem? I really want a tonneau cover for the other times, but I'm worried it would get damaged during loading dirt/mulch or be impossible to clean out.
Texas folks... has anyone had th MX4 long-term..say.. 2-3 years or more? I've had two Bakflip Revolvers, my neighbor has had two, and my brother in law has had one. On every single one, after 2-3 years in the Texas sun, the vinyl starts shrinking and failing around the edges. I'm thinking going with an MX4 if they don't have that problem in Texas.
one question which on when fully open has more clearence? I have a fuel tank with a pop up lid and need about 3 inches from inside of bed back to open, I called BAK and they said " that is propietary information we cant tell you" what the heck ?
@@hdfantasysports Being a Minnesotan, I’m probably the last person to ask lol. But I’d say the flip, since the revolver has a vynil canvas stuck to aluminum slats. Seems like the most likely fail point after years of use and sunlight. But we are talking beyond warranty. Any issues like that would be covered.
Can the revolver be partially locked with it being half way open? A lot of times I have a dog crate in the back, but want the other half of the bed covered. I currently have the back flip installed, but somehow the last panel nearest the tailgate blew off. Fortunately nobody was hurt, but it was shocking.
@@ericpiekarczyk2009 it only locks when the end of the cover presses down on those levers. That latches every slat. The best covers for partial coverage are the canister covers in my opinion. But then you lose some of that bed space…
Honestly I don’t like either one too many moving parts that can fail. I currently have the RETRAX ONE MX with the matte finish it works great I’ve had it on my 2015 Toyota Tacoma since May of 2016. What I don’t like about any bed cover no matter what brand is the matte finish it SUCKS, you can’t wax them or ceramic coat them if a bird shits on the cover it’s difficult to remove. Even washing the cover will leave water spots. I don’t understand why the manufacturers don’t make the covers with a smooth finish so they can be waxed like the rest of the truck.
Love my X4s. Props to Gears and Gadgets for doing the legwork and helping me decide. I get so many compliments on the thing. They upgraded materials on the last Revolver too. I’m not worried about it at all. Security and ease of use and honestly the cost was even easier to swallow. The X4s also doesn’t cover your back window.
@@rreye61492 I said the X2 and X4 use carpet to give you a cool spot to hold onto rolling it up and that adhesive often failed. The X4s switched to the rubber pads slatted into the aluminum.
Thanks for the reviews on multiple style bed covers, I'm kind of torn between retrax and bakflip. In your opinion, and budget not really being a factor, what cover wld you recommend. I'm using mainly for storage of luggage on trips and expensive equipment when going to shooting competitions? Wld like for it to be very durable for yrs of use, and equipment to stay dry as possible.
If you don’t mind the big canister, the retrax is nicer, but you need an extra key to lock it which is a hassle. Bak having their stuff lock with the tailgate is the better config imo. That flip looked good at weather proofing, but that window block is a tough sell. Retrax with the ball bearings and no folding rubber would be the most durable I think. Tough call man 😅
@@shannond1044 while driving any cover should be great in the rain. They stay dry for the most part with the aerodynamics of the cab. Parked in the rain you get a bit down the inside of the tailgate. I could adjust that for a tighter fit, but then the gate wouldn’t drop on its own. The friction would hold it up. I don’t mind some water running the down the gate on occasion I guess.
I have one more comment/question, and I'd like to know if you guys tried this. My High Country has a power tailgate. I'm wondering if the tailgate will go up and lock in place, on its own power, with the Bak tonneau locked in place. Do you know? Or will I have to push it closed manually?
Revolver for sure does since it’s seal actually pushes the gate open. The flip has those seals on the top that could grab depending on how you adjust it. Better sealing out moisture might cost you that auto drop. A power down and up gate seems to use the motor for down vs gravity. High countries might never have these worries lol 😅
The mx4 has terrible fitment for my ram power wagon with ramboxes. Installed today and theres 1/2 gap on tailgate. 3/4 inch gap on each corner because the rails arent correctly sized and 1/2 gap at the bulkhead.
Thanks for making this video. I have owned Ram 1500 (6'4"), 2500 (6'-4"), and 3500 (8' bed). Now I have the Chevy 1500 High Country and I was wondering if the flip would block the bed view of my high brake light camera, it looks like it would so I'm going with the X4s. I had the X2 on my 8ft bed and loved it! The issue with flips is they are heavier the farther you have to flip back (more sections to lift). Too much weight with the 8 ft bed. I gave the X2 one push to close it and it rolled all the way from start to the end. In Florida, the material falls off in high heat, but the X4s has rubber along the length in stead of glued material.
We put the flip on the non camera truck so we couldn’t confirm it, but we tried to show the angle and it looked like it would clear. It was close though so it might not
Their warranties are better than that. You could get a free one if they fail that fast vs fixing it. The X4 vs X4s had improvements to help with heat issues. (I’m Minnesota, so I can’t give a whole lot of insight)
I think the major disadvantage of the Revolver is the lack of a drainage channel like the MX4 has. If water gets past the seal, it will leak into the bed. On the MX4 it will run into the drainage channel and drain into the drain tubes.
I bought a mx4 from real truck. I had it installed by an authorized dealer. It leaked after light rain. Too much water was getting in. BAK industry sent me a brand new mx4. I went to a different company to install and this one is still not stopping plenty of water getting into my bed and destroying my gear. The company has incredible customer support and they back their product. But at this point I’m losing confidence
I’d say the flip is easier to install solo. We both liked the revolver better due to how it rolls up nice. Both are excellent covers. It comes down to personal preference.
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Take it from me, if you are thinking about getting the Revolver, reconsider. Mine hasn’t held up. It’s almost 3 years old, but the vinyl has shrunk and is coming unglued, and the felt strips on the bottom were falling down within the first summer in the Mississippi heat. I’m extremely disappointed in the longevity of the cover, especially considering the $1000 (give or take) that I paid for it. I feel as though I have taken care of it the best I can. It has had sun exposure for essentially 3 years straight, but then again, the bakflip on my dads 2012 Tundra while a bit faded is still going strong.
Very same experience with my revolver, I guess it just can take the South Texas heat. My cover started falling apart at around 2.5 years.
Doesn’t it have a 5 year warranty? File the claim and get a new one.
Same with mine, 2.5 years, the replacement no longer has felt, as in this video it has rubberized material in place of the felt, and it was replaced under warranty. The vinyl to aluminum/rubber looks more solid. We’ll see if this last longer.
Exact same experience. I've had two Bakflip Revolvers, my neighbor has had two, and my brother in law has had one. On every single one, after 2-3 years in the Texas sun, the vinyl starts shrinking and failing around the edges. I'm thinking going with an MX4 the next time around.
They stood by their warranty, They said they changed vinyl supplies after the first 18 months of the 4x and it should hold up better. They sent me a new one.
I like the idea of being able to see out the back with the revolver. what I don’t like about the revolver is it looks like it’s vinyl so somebody might stick a knife in it to rip it open. Yes they wouldn’t get in, but they would damage your whole top. With the backflip it’s easy to take it off when you put that big item in and it’s light enough and narrow enough to set it inside the bed. Plus when you look at the backflip, you know it’s aluminum so you know you can’t easily break in. so my choice is for the back flip.
You both nailed it, this is exactly what I was looking for!! This is by far the best comparison between the 2 Baks that I have seen. Much appreciated.
100% agree was just looking at these two as my final decision. Thank you for the great review.
I had the Revolver on my Chevrolet High Country for a couple of years. I liked it but the revolver had to be completely closed or completely open. I sold the Revolver and purchased the MX4. The MX4 can be opened one panel at a time. So if I only need my truck bed open 1/4 or 1/2 of the way, I have the option. Really like the overall look of the X4S, however the MX4 works better for me. Great video.
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I have revolver x4 on my truck. I would rate it 3 out of 5. It looks good and easy to operate but it leaks quite a bit around the tail gate, freezes in the winter and you can not open it, also had a headache when some sand got it the rails because it's almost impossible to clean it. Had to take it all appart.
Couple good things about this cover is that it does not block rear window, it works with a Tracrack SR and thats why I bought it in a first place.
What are your feelings on being able to stand on it? Say a 200lb person with a tripod and camera shooting photos?
@@g.z.9920 Check out Diamond plate. Plus $$$$.
I've had the Bak Flip on my 2017 Silverado for the past 6 years. Even though the Revolver looks great unfolded, I'd still go with the Bak Flip (again) when I decide to buy a new pickup. Thank you for sharing this video, gentlemen. It was very informative.
Why would you choose the backflip?
@@marksydor3108 Mainly because I'm a creature of habit. I've had success with my current Bak Flip so I see no reason to switch. Also, I live in the desert southwest and the sun beating down on the vinyl of the Revolver would destroy it. Both look nice but once again, the Bak Flip is my choice.
Same. I've owned the MX4 Bakflip since 2018 and would buy another or possibly the F1 by Bakflip for the higher end finish look. I have the bed camera so it still allows be to look at cargo in the bed if needed
I am deciding between these two covers right now. Thank you so much for your content and the superb effort.
Can’t go wrong with either, win-win scenario you have here lol. Enjoy! 😄
My older trucks I always had a tool box in the back. My new Chevy came with a roll up cover that I wanted to keep and I was able to find a tool box that fits up tight to the front of the box and allows me to open the lid to gain access. The roll top is the only cover that would allow me to do this and have a 5th wheel hitch.
Great walkthrough guys! Thanks for the effort - Very helpful!
Been through two MX4. They do not like hail. Changing to a Revolver X4S
Great comparison. I've been set on the X4S for awhile now but someone local is selling an MX4 for half the cost of new, so I've been going back and forth. I think I'm still gonna go with the X4S. Biggest reason is being able to see out my back window with out fully open. Plus I like the cleaner look vs the folded one.
Don’t get the revolver, I have one and am very disappointed in the longevity of it. Trying to save you the heartache that I’ve had. Trust me!
I also don’t like how the mx4 actually leans up against your truck when opened. I think I’m just going to go the cheap route and get a rough country. Seems crazy to pay $1k+ for one of these.
I have the X4s revolver, on 2017 Ridgeline RTL-E. I like it much better than the 22:13 tri-fold that came with the truck. These are my complaints; in the upstate New York winter, if there is any snow melt, the cover freezes in the track. I have had a number of complaints regarding the end caps just disappearing. The company has been very good about replacing these at no cost. Attempts to glue end caps have not been successful, nor has silicone applications. Last I heard, there was a new end cap being developed. Waiting to hear back.
Same
I put the Revolver on my 2022 GMC 1500 Denali, I am now having to replace it as it’s falling apart. The adhesive has failed on the slats and internal carpet in 2 years. I loved the cover operation and features, but not happy with wear and tear. Considering the MX4 or the Under Cover flip up.
Watch the MX4. They tend to leak at the fold over joint. Was told to apply sealant to fix myself. They did send me a replacement, but it also leaked
Thanks for the excellent and comprehensive review. Ordered the revolver from your link.
Thanks Pete! Glad I could help! You’ll love it. 😊
Great reviews w/the two covers being done at the same time for comparing styles.
Awesome video guys. Really well done and very good detail to compare the two very different styles. Much appreciated!
Great video, best review of the 2covers I’ve seen so far, loved the side-by-side!!!!!!!
If you live in any hot environment i highly recommend going with the mx4 which is essentially an upgrade to the bakflip g2 which ive owned for 4years, my truck stays outside in the south florida heat and it has aged very well, i know its a bit more work to operate than the revolver but to me it is well worth it, i just bought a brand new truck and based on my personal experience with the g2 it is a no brainer, i will be going with the mx4
Was in the market for a bed cover and never considered the roll up due to the fact they’re usually vinyl and velcro. I like the X4S and hope they have one for a 8ft bed!
Great video with great lighting so I could actually see how these two covers function. Thanks for making this as it really helps me decide.
I'm picturing using both of these during a Northen IL winter. After owning a roll up cover in the past, I know I'm going to have times when there's maybe ice or snow on the cover and I'll need to open it. The Roll Bak may present some issues in this case. I'd like to see a video with ice and 2" of snow on it and see him roll it open.
You cannot open in the winter. It freezes into one big sheet and latch does not work
I am talking about revolver x4
As the owner of a roll up cover I can say that two of my biggest gripes are that there is no factory recommended way to have it partially open. If I need to haul something and if any part of an object sticks up higher than the bed rails then it technically needs to be FULLY open. Not a fan of that. Also, the vinyl nearest the tailgate gets creased after some use and it eventually splits and cracks open.
I love the Lomax. I can take it off and put it back on in 60 seconds. 3 years old and still holing up great.
I’m looking at lomax as well, but i saw a vid where the last pannel looked fairly easy to pull up with your hand, wondering if it’ll be pretty easy to pull it up enough to slip a coat hangar in. I know a thief will get in regardless, but it just looked too easy. What’s your experience with it?
@@B-Rad-Gee I just went out and looked at it and yes someone could lift it up and get in but you can only lift maybe half an inch and you need to get lucky to pull the string. I have stuff back there all the time and never had anything stollen in over 2 years. cover still works as new
@@BondsIsKing sweet thanks for getting back to me!
My experience with the Revolver cover in California wasn't a good one... I had an X2 and not only did the felt/ carpet strips underneath come unglued from heat, but the vinyl covering shrank away from the sides, cracked and came unglued.
I’ve had the exact same experience. My vinyl covering hasn’t cracked but it has shrank and it is coming unglued. The felt strips that help keep you from getting pinched when rolling up the cover came off within the first summer in the Mississippi heat. When it does get icy here, you can forget about rolling it up lol. I’m extremely disappointed with it considering the $1000 price tag. It’s barely been 3 years and it’s basically toast. Meanwhile the bakflip on my dads 2012 tundra, while it does look a bit weathered, still going strong.
I would like to know a measurement in the inches lost when the cover is folder as far forward as possible
Awesome video!! Very descriptive. Thank you just what I was looking for to make my decision.
I have the Bakflip for my 1500. Planning to get the Bak Revolver for my next truck. Same reason, rear window access. I found that the little arms don’t keep the tri-fold secure at highway speeds all of the time. Looks like revolver takes up less forward bed space.
I had a backflip for 12 years. In winter on ram 1500, only issue was rubber freezing to tailgate. Fluid film each year fixed that. I’m wondering on the revolver how does rail work in winter w freezing? Second issue with backflip was over time the insulation has absorbed water making cover very heavy. I was going to cut slots in bottom to tru to allow to dry or replace insulation. Any ideas on that?
Great video guys! Thanks! I’m a newbie at all of this and your review is so helpful! I wish I had men like you in my life that could help me with the install!! Aloha from Colorado!
Hello at the 20:00 minute mark could you elaborate which takes up less space in the open position? Trying to fit a bike in and the tire is close to bed on cab side thanks
Have a bak flip on my 2015 Ram 2500 Mega Cab. It flips all the way up flat across back window which allows me to pull my 5th wheel camper. It has lasted 7 years but the rubber seals around the flip panels are falling apart.
My Ford F150 was purchased 12/2021, a BAK Revolver X4 was added with the original purchase. It has a Ford emblem installed either by a licensed third-party purchaser or by BAK. ANYWAY, THE TOP VINYL PULLED AWAY FROM the glue, as did the felt underneath. The third-party vendor replaced it 7/5/24 and no more felt, it has rubber brackets in place of felt now. My question has to do with warranty, if you know. I’m being told there’s only a 1 year warranty on the replacement, but I’m also hearing that BAK has a 5-year warranty. Do you know what the warranty is? Great video, thank you!
@@brianbolton8199 it’s a five-year warranty from the original purchase date, yes, they don’t make the X4 anymore, which had the original aluminum color underneath along with fabric. from what you’re describing it sounds like the warranty replaced it with an X4s cover. When you cover rolls up, it should now be black painted aluminum like the one in this video. You’re welcome thanks for the comment!
@@TruckOwnership101 Thank you. The aluminum under the new cover is not painted black. 🔬😀
It is the best video i have seen , very well made. Question, is one of them allow to install temporarely a truck caps without taking the rails off. I sometime go camping with my trailer and when i bring my bikes , i am looking to put them in the pickup truck bed and i may buy a Leer caps. Thanks for your very good work!
Hey They are both nice covers. I like a hard cover over a material. Not sure of revolver material over aluminum could eventually weaken and loosen being rolled up constantly. Backflip appears to be more solid and strength. I checked out Diamondback and Renegade hard covers. Great for top notch security purposes but I’m not going topside for hauling purpose. This leaves BakFlip. I think they company should come out with a headache rack to match up with BakFlip being fully open but not touching rear glass. I know there’s arms on both sides but you never know. I’m probably going with the BakFlip.
Excellent video tutorial.
I'm switching from an MX4 to a to an X4s. I love the MX4 so why am I switching. I tow a light weight fifth wheel and I have to fold up against the rear window in order to hitch the trailer. In all honesty that really hasn't been much of an issue for me but is a little inconvenient. I'm getting a bit "long in the tooth" and that last fold up against the rear window while standing beside the truck using one arm is getting to be something of a strain. I've had the MX4 for over 5 years and like it but I feel for my purposes it's time to try a change.
Please come back and review your Revolver after a few months. We’re struggling on which cover to purchase - they both have their pros and cons.
@laurenh4657 after about 2-3 months with the X4S I traded trucks . I didn't hesitate in getting another X4S. The plastic rear corner tips have a tendency to detach. Happened to me once so far. Not hard to reattach and I'm aware of the issue. I still find the X4S more convenient and suitable for my purposes.
What is the weight difference between the 2?? How much heavier is it compared to the oem trifold? Ram limited
The roll ups are heavier than the tri-folds.
Starts at minute 5:30, you're welcome!
I’m not sure which model I have but mine has an exterior seal similar to the ones on the sides of these and it’s so irritating because it gets in the way of closing tailgate to where I have to close tailgate first then slam the cover shut that way the seal stays over the tailgate and not tuck itself inside
I’m so torn on these. I think I’m going Revolver as neither really support gear loading on top. I don’t want to lose 12” of bed length so roll/canister option out. I need full access & don’t want to give up 150 lbs of payload so Diamondback is out. I like that Revolver covers the bed, doesn’t block the window and I can easily remove it for full access if needed.
Hey Not sure if I ask.
Which one did you choose ?
I’m looking into both and others but keep coming back to these. It’s for a newer 2022 F250.
I have older 2004 Dodge with original ARE top.
@@josephpuchel6497 I went Revolver. Only quirk is little end caps can pop off if you don’t press them in flat while rolling up. Overall it’s been a good solution. Simple.
Great video, just ordered Revolver X4s using your link, Thank you
I was thinking of upgrading mine to an MX4 cover. I wanted to run a bed cover/bed rail combo.
Love the revolver but in winter can be a issue freezing with ice making it not lay down or open properly
But you can take a coat hanger and open it. I have done it on my old F1
What would you think the best would be for up in Canada with snow, currently have a tri-fold does not give full bed access and can freeze up in the winter, I like the roll up but I would question scraping the snow off of it do you think it would damage it and or rolling it up with a bit of snow on it that won't scrape off?
Thanks.
Seeing as you are pretty in tune with covers - do you happen to know if you can put a Lomax Professional on a bed with a BedRug. It appears that the Lomax attaches to the front of the bed by two hooks that slip under the front top of the bed rail - which the BedRug pretty much covers up …?
Great video! I’ve been looking at the MX4, and this was a huge help. Go Wild!
Yes Sir! Look forward to some “Shout” this Friday. Hopefully on repeat! lol
i have the mx4 on my 2020 silverado and love it only thing is it blocks back window and blocks rearview/bed cameras. i really wanted the revolver but the side rails worried me i use my truck always hauling something and was concerned that the locking rails would be easy to damage.
Their is nothing perfect. Was going to get the revolver until I saw the delaminate occurring on the guy at works. Maybe the sentry is better. The flip style is proven.
The blocking only happens when it’s folded all the way up, right?
Great overview of two of my top contender 👍
Well done to both of you, I watched the retractable tonneau cover video you made and now this one. We have the Bakflip MX4 on our 2020 Silverado and now we’re looking for a cover for our 2023. Didn’t like the window blocking on the MX4. Think we’re going with the new revolver, with the help of your videos. You being in Minnesota how do the covers stand up to the snow and ice?
Thanks
They are holding up fine. When things get frozen they are not as easy to move. I try to avoid messing with it in the winter unless I have to
Had the flip 4xs and loved it, but got new truck and have a revolver 4xs that just got delivered.
how do you like the x4s compared to your flip?
I think the revolver looks better on truck and gives better access to the entire truck bed whenever you need it.
Great video. Very informative and the video everyone needs to watch if you are torn between the flip or the roll. If anyone cares I've decided on the roll and I will be purchasing from Real Truck as well. Thanks guys with help on the decision.
So I notice you have Minnesota plates...and maybe you've covered this in one of your other vidoes...but how does that X4S do in the winter time? Heard there can be issues getting it rolled up whenever the temps drop...any insight would be appreciated because that's my only draw back from pulling the trigger on one of these today
I'd also like to know. This seemed like the best tonneau but now that I've installed mine (X4TS) I'm wondering how it will hold up and operate in the cold, ice and snow. I don't park in a garage.
I'm hoping I don't have to thaw it out at the car wash when I need to roll it open in winter.
Great videos but wish he waa more responsive to comments and questions.
Can anyone with the digital Rear View mirror / bed view camera on the 2022 and up confirm if the MX4 blocks any of the camera views?
I know I’m late to the party here, but any info/thoughts on the how much the mounting rails protrude into the bed from the edge of the bed rail? Looks like the revolver rails are significantly wider? Any thoughts on whether these might cause problems with cargo leaning/bumping against them? What about the handles on the revolver? Do you see these getting in the way loading/unloading the bed? I am on my 2nd MX4 and have been pretty happy with them, but considering the revolver. Thanks for the review.
Just wondering, why are you on your second one? Can they handle weight of items leaning on them?
@@MakeManageGrowMoneyOnly on second one because of getting new trucks. Never had any problem with the durability of the side rails. Was just curious about whether the revolver side rails protruded further and would get in the way. FWIW I ended up going with another mx4 for my new truck.
@@christopherf.2102 o ok ok that makes sense. Thanks for sharing, I'm thinking about getting one. Do you think there is enough space to be compatible with a headache rack while the mx4 is unfolded all the way up?
I like the Revolver, how much of the bed width do you lose from the bed rail mounts? I tow a gooseneck and only have about 1.5 inches from my bedside when in a full 90 backing up.
Just prefer the look of the MX4 over the Revolver and if you have the bed camera it eliminates the issue of not being able to see the cargo in the bed
Can the Revolver be rolled back half or 3/4 way or does it have to be rolled all the way back?
I wonder under heavy use how the latches on the Revolver might get damaged if you were to toss in some gear and hit the latch would it bend or break?
You guys are the best
Has anyone had a problem with the backflips getting waterlogged after a couple of years? I am getting ready to replace my 3rd backflips that I purchased thru Line-X, they have been very good about keeping to their lifetime warranty but I not very happy with the backflips type getting waterlogged. Just curious if anyone else has had this problem.
I have an 8’ bed and Haul a 5th wheel like the roll up. How much more room will longer cover take up.
I am comparing these 2 again. I had the x4s on my last truck. It was way better than the x2 but I did not like the noise it makes while on the highway. Is the mx4 quieter or about the same noise?
Can you do a comparison video of the mx4 and the rough country low profile covers? They seem pretty similar but no one else on TH-cam has compared them yet?
What was the Bak tonneau that was hard folding but had the vinyl/ leather top? Not the look of the MX4
How easy are these to remove and put back on? I camp with a bed tent and would need to remove it every time I go on a camping trip.
Do you have a install video of the back flip mx4 tonneau cover , cause you sped through it & would like to see how you installed it.
So with the Revolver, its either all the way open or all the way closed? No option for 1/3 or 1/2 way open like the X4?
Correct. That’s my biggest hangup with this cover. Without it locked in place (fully closed) that aluminum channel has no way to secure the cover down if it were only partially closed, which I find pretty valuable on my current retractable.
For someone who hauls dirt and mulch that gets dumped from a bobcat, is the rail system going to be a problem? I really want a tonneau cover for the other times, but I'm worried it would get damaged during loading dirt/mulch or be impossible to clean out.
My x4s is 4 years old and works great.
Texas folks... has anyone had th MX4 long-term..say.. 2-3 years or more? I've had two Bakflip Revolvers, my neighbor has had two, and my brother in law has had one. On every single one, after 2-3 years in the Texas sun, the vinyl starts shrinking and failing around the edges. I'm thinking going with an MX4 if they don't have that problem in Texas.
one question which on when fully open has more clearence? I have a fuel tank with a pop up lid and need about 3 inches from inside of bed back to open, I called BAK and they said " that is propietary information we cant tell you" what the heck ?
If sun fading were a concern do you recommend one of the other? I’m in sunny Florida…also great video- thanks guys!!
@@hdfantasysports Being a Minnesotan, I’m probably the last person to ask lol. But I’d say the flip, since the revolver has a vynil canvas stuck to aluminum slats. Seems like the most likely fail point after years of use and sunlight. But we are talking beyond warranty. Any issues like that would be covered.
U mean oppressive heat and daily downpours in fl. There I fixed it for you 😅
How long to install the revolver?
How easy or hard are these to get pried open with a flat head screw driver?
Excellent review!
Can the revolver be partially locked with it being half way open? A lot of times I have a dog crate in the back, but want the other half of the bed covered. I currently have the back flip installed, but somehow the last panel nearest the tailgate blew off. Fortunately nobody was hurt, but it was shocking.
@@ericpiekarczyk2009 it only locks when the end of the cover presses down on those levers. That latches every slat. The best covers for partial coverage are the canister covers in my opinion. But then you lose some of that bed space…
There are plenty of bed racks/bars that are compatible with tonneau covers and allow them to roll up.
Dou you think it can be used if I have a Go Rhino 2.0 Roll Bar?
Honestly I don’t like either one too many moving parts that can fail. I currently have the RETRAX ONE MX with the matte finish it works great I’ve had it on my 2015 Toyota Tacoma since May of 2016. What I don’t like about any bed cover no matter what brand is the matte finish it SUCKS, you can’t wax them or ceramic coat them if a bird shits on the cover it’s difficult to remove. Even washing the cover will leave water spots. I don’t understand why the manufacturers don’t make the covers with a smooth finish so they can be waxed like the rest of the truck.
these covers with the wire pulls to release, I feel a wire coat hanger would get someone into them in 2 seconds.
Love my X4s. Props to Gears and Gadgets for doing the legwork and helping me decide. I get so many compliments on the thing. They upgraded materials on the last Revolver too. I’m not worried about it at all. Security and ease of use and honestly the cost was even easier to swallow. The X4s also doesn’t cover your back window.
How has it performed in the rain for you? TIA
The revolvers tend to delaminate 2-3yrs in. They seem cool, but the adhesive breaks down. Guy at work his started falling apart right at 2yrs.
5 year warranty
The new X4S doesnt use adhesive to hold the cover slats together
@@rreye61492 I said the X2 and X4 use carpet to give you a cool spot to hold onto rolling it up and that adhesive often failed. The X4s switched to the rubber pads slatted into the aluminum.
Did you watch the video? Seems like you didn’t.
@@garyl7863 how’s yours?
Thanks for the reviews on multiple style bed covers, I'm kind of torn between retrax and bakflip. In your opinion, and budget not really being a factor, what cover wld you recommend. I'm using mainly for storage of luggage on trips and expensive equipment when going to shooting competitions? Wld like for it to be very durable for yrs of use, and equipment to stay dry as possible.
If you don’t mind the big canister, the retrax is nicer, but you need an extra key to lock it which is a hassle. Bak having their stuff lock with the tailgate is the better config imo. That flip looked good at weather proofing, but that window block is a tough sell. Retrax with the ball bearings and no folding rubber would be the most durable I think. Tough call man 😅
@TruckOwnership101 thanks for the reply. Have you had the retrax out in hard rain? If so, how bad did it leak? Thanks.
@@shannond1044 while driving any cover should be great in the rain. They stay dry for the most part with the aerodynamics of the cab. Parked in the rain you get a bit down the inside of the tailgate. I could adjust that for a tighter fit, but then the gate wouldn’t drop on its own. The friction would hold it up. I don’t mind some water running the down the gate on occasion I guess.
@TruckOwnership101 thank you for the insight and time! Going to use your link and pull the trigger on the retrax xr pro.
@@shannond1044 thanks! You’ll love it!
I feel very proud that I invented both of these covers. So glad to see the world still enjoying them.
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I have one more comment/question, and I'd like to know if you guys tried this. My High Country has a power tailgate. I'm wondering if the tailgate will go up and lock in place, on its own power, with the Bak tonneau locked in place. Do you know? Or will I have to push it closed manually?
Great video! thank you for sharing
Have you had any issues with the revolver not rolling up easily in MN winters?
You won't be able to open it in the winter. It freezes shut like a huge piece of metal.Even worse if you forget to close it before it freezes 😅
It also leaks inside especially near the tailgate and rubber seals get wrinkled over time and glue gives up.
The mx4 how hard to remove entire cover from the rails to have full access and rear view
Great video!!! Does the auto tail gate drop feature still work with these covers?
Revolver for sure does since it’s seal actually pushes the gate open. The flip has those seals on the top that could grab depending on how you adjust it. Better sealing out moisture might cost you that auto drop. A power down and up gate seems to use the motor for down vs gravity. High countries might never have these worries lol 😅
@@TruckOwnership101 thank you for response man! I am going to order one!
I have a older Backflip and the folding seams have leaked sense new.
The mx4 has terrible fitment for my ram power wagon with ramboxes. Installed today and theres 1/2 gap on tailgate. 3/4 inch gap on each corner because the rails arent correctly sized and 1/2 gap at the bulkhead.
Thanks for making this video. I have owned Ram 1500 (6'4"), 2500 (6'-4"), and 3500 (8' bed). Now I have the Chevy 1500 High Country and I was wondering if the flip would block the bed view of my high brake light camera, it looks like it would so I'm going with the X4s. I had the X2 on my 8ft bed and loved it! The issue with flips is they are heavier the farther you have to flip back (more sections to lift). Too much weight with the 8 ft bed. I gave the X2 one push to close it and it rolled all the way from start to the end. In Florida, the material falls off in high heat, but the X4s has rubber along the length in stead of glued material.
We put the flip on the non camera truck so we couldn’t confirm it, but we tried to show the angle and it looked like it would clear. It was close though so it might not
With Bakflip How did you get the neoprene gasket to stick to the spray liner in the trailboss
Clean it good, then alcohol wipes. Sticks fine. It gets pinched into place anyway. It’s not going anywhere.
Great content! Pondering between this 2 types of bedcover albiet different brands.
Im trying to find the motorized bakflip they had for the avalanche, anybody got any ideas, the one that flips and stowed on top of the cab????
I would imagine these will start falling apart after 2 to 3 years in Arizona heat... are the seals and rubber parts serviceable?
Their warranties are better than that. You could get a free one if they fail that fast vs fixing it. The X4 vs X4s had improvements to help with heat issues. (I’m Minnesota, so I can’t give a whole lot of insight)
@@TruckOwnership101 thanks for the quick reply !
After 1 year, the X4s still holding up?
I think the major disadvantage of the Revolver is the lack of a drainage channel like the MX4 has. If water gets past the seal, it will leak into the bed. On the MX4 it will run into the drainage channel and drain into the drain tubes.
They are both made with a drainage channel. I owned a Bak Flip as well as the revolver X2 on different trucks. and they were both dry.
I bought a mx4 from real truck.
I had it installed by an authorized dealer.
It leaked after light rain.
Too much water was getting in.
BAK industry sent me a brand new mx4.
I went to a different company to install and this one is still not stopping plenty of water getting into my bed and destroying my gear.
The company has incredible customer support and they back their product.
But at this point I’m losing confidence
@@stevendrums1Interesting. I'm trying to decide on a cover for my new Titan. Water "resistance" is my main concern.
Could 1 older guy do the install? Which one is best?
I’d say the flip is easier to install solo. We both liked the revolver better due to how it rolls up nice. Both are excellent covers. It comes down to personal preference.