Vladimir Kramnik: "It's Obvious Violation of FIDE Rules" To Have A Phone Recording

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  • @Neo__01
    @Neo__01 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +527

    The audacity to say "we were close to winning" when in fact they were one move away from losing (somehow Arjun missed it under time pressure) shows where Kramnik is mentally.

    • @mrflamingo1004
      @mrflamingo1004 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

      Sindarov was very close to an objectively winning position against Pragg, who also had very little time. Considering the other boards all ended in draws, they WERE close to winning (and close to losing too)

    • @akhilmt9731
      @akhilmt9731 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +93

      ​@@mrflamingo1004 A 0.8 eval advantage isn't close to winning lmao

    • @Neo__01
      @Neo__01 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

      @@mrflamingo1004 Sindarov was close to objectively winning position? A normal person would say he had some advantage till he played all the computer engine moves he came prepared with, but once Pragg took him out of his prep he clearly had no clue about the position. And if u really want to objectively compare the eval of both games then Sindarov had max +1.2 whereas Arjun had +3.9. No sane person would dare to say the Uzbeks were "close" to winning unless ofcourse u belong to same mental category as Kramnik.

    • @KA_edu
      @KA_edu 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Uzbekistan current olympic champions, full stop

    • @Apostolnixx
      @Apostolnixx 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      ​@@mrflamingo1004 there's a big difference between being +1.25 and a whole blunder. India was actually close to win this match

  • @govinddas7876
    @govinddas7876 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +399

    Like Danya said on stream, I would love for Kramnik to actually point out which rule was violated because its 100% allowed to have authorized phones in play area.

    • @newfaith912
      @newfaith912 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      did you listen what he said 🤣🤣

    • @junksails814
      @junksails814 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Do you believe pagers can explode on demand? Now you better believe it. Can phone without SIM card TRANSMIT INFORMATION? YOU BETTER believe it. Ask Mossad

    • @Arsenic_99
      @Arsenic_99 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Its the same as saying why can't I murder someone unless people exactly quote which provisions in the constitutional law forbids me to.

    • @ArjanKumar-s1s
      @ArjanKumar-s1s วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Yeah I listened and it was all cramp he nothing have any point just staying meaningless there is a rule to take phone in the match group through the persimmon of arbiter and that TH-cam channel chessbase india did the same and carrying the phone from day

    • @newfaith912
      @newfaith912 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ArjanKumar-s1s you dont speak english let alone understand.

  • @ranjankgp2024
    @ranjankgp2024 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +285

    Kramnik waited 9 long days to make a complaint about phones in the playing hall. It was happening from the very first day and not only CBI but other media were also doing that. But Kramnik made a complain just during the game between India vs Uzbekistan. Nice move Kramnik. 😊

    • @ArjanKumar-s1s
      @ArjanKumar-s1s วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      🤣💯

    • @blankpaper2471
      @blankpaper2471 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      @@ranjankgp2024 he understood that they don't stand a chance against India. So, he use his usual tactics to disqualified india.

    • @harzh9369
      @harzh9369 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He and other Russian GM's have also said that "SOME" top players(pointing to gukesh really) are not as good in blitz so they must be cheating. If you see their podcasts (nepo grishcuk) . It is very obvious.

    • @ranjankgp2024
      @ranjankgp2024 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@harzh9369 which podcast? Nepo said it during the Olympiad?

    • @zitoco2654
      @zitoco2654 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@harzh9369 so by their point all players who are good in blitz and not in classical should be cheating right?

  • @turtleintelligence
    @turtleintelligence 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +306

    FIDE should create a separate rule to allow e-cigarettes. This guy looses his mind without getting high

    • @maloydey9182
      @maloydey9182 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @gertjh5u64u
      @gertjh5u64u 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Lol

    • @imafraidjumitebeeinnagang3886
      @imafraidjumitebeeinnagang3886 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Lmfao

    • @vd.se.17
      @vd.se.17 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He was making Bubble cloud with e-Cigarettes and it had whistle so they banned it.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @ArjanKumar-s1s
      @ArjanKumar-s1s วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      💯

  • @_wakanda_forever
    @_wakanda_forever 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +226

    Sagar clarified in his "chessbase india" stream that the phones were checked before and approved to be placed inside the hall and he placed the phone there bcoz his cameras can't record videos for 7 hours because of quick battery drain and heating issues.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      That's not the point. Either the presence of the phones in the playing hall violate rules or they don't. Rules must be enforced or they're meaningless.

    • @n3mo146
      @n3mo146 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

      @@MrSupernova111 Shh, dont cry!

    • @SatishKumar-fj7uc
      @SatishKumar-fj7uc 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

      ​@@MrSupernova111 the phones were permitted according to the rules

    • @Adarsh-vd3jw
      @Adarsh-vd3jw 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      ​@@MrSupernova111It was allowed, no point of cribbing.

    • @thepiyush909
      @thepiyush909 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Guess what cameras with long batteries do exist.

  • @meron7700
    @meron7700 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +268

    If anyone is curious the FIDE Laws of Chess states: "Unless authorised by the arbiter, it is forbidden for anybody to use a mobile phone or any kind of communication device in the playing venue or any contiguous area designated by the arbiter."
    I imagine the phones used to record are authorized by the arbiter...

    • @govinddas7876
      @govinddas7876 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +105

      it was. The phones were even stamped with a sticker for easy identification of which are authorized.

    • @KA_edu
      @KA_edu 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Maybe not. He has right to ascertain

    • @lucassipe9448
      @lucassipe9448 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

      ​@@KA_edu people have the right. Kramnik who has done nothing but lob (largely) baseless accusations cause he's mediocre at online speed chess shouldn't be taken seriously

    • @r0ckyr083
      @r0ckyr083 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      ​@@KA_eduthat he did... chessbase even allowed him to check the phones which were already checked by fide team. he's still accusing for rule break which doesn't help.

    • @gabar6541
      @gabar6541 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's a sad and unlucky for chess world
      HAOW THIS tricky and sneaky old man KRAMNIK trying all tricks available to destroy CHESS WORLD leaded by democratic nation like INDIA
      JELEAOUSY?
      HELPLESNESS?
      Coz why he didn't claim and protested on other days? He was watching and walking always at INDIAN CHESS PLAYER😂
      All of sudden coz he could beat INDIA?
      WAT A LOOSER
      INDIA should ask for DEFARMATION and LOST OF REPUTATIIN caused by this cunning man
      So sad

  • @my_handle_123
    @my_handle_123 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +95

    Sagar shah is the most honorable man in chess media. Due to his authorised phones, we are actually able to watch the games later. The official fide channels just suck.
    I love chess as a sport but man the elitism is just sickening.
    Any one with an iota of brain cells can understand that this was a cheap mindgame from Kramnik to rattle the young indian team.

  • @SanjayKumar-n8h3s
    @SanjayKumar-n8h3s 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +226

    I'm a Kramnik defender and the job just keeps getting harder

    • @Chutankabaapdivyanshu18
      @Chutankabaapdivyanshu18 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SanjayKumar-n8h3s 😂

    • @winfredj9820
      @winfredj9820 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      🤣🤣

    • @deepaklachman9340
      @deepaklachman9340 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SanjayKumar-n8h3s 🤣

    •  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Yep... Its really bad... The name is closely associated to accusation of cheating, lagging and so on... I do not say he his wrong everytime... But his name is getting bad to worse for me.

    • @user-rx2uo5mr7d
      @user-rx2uo5mr7d 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      😂😂

  • @phobi3545
    @phobi3545 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +198

    they took his vape an he PISSED LMAO

    • @tweschke3
      @tweschke3 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      there were smartphones in the playing hall, and vapes are forbidden, he is absolutely right in this case

    • @govinddas7876
      @govinddas7876 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      @@tweschke3 which rule was specifically broken?

    • @yashvardhanchoudhary5363
      @yashvardhanchoudhary5363 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      @@tweschke3 No he is not.According to the rules if permission is granted from the authorities then they are allowed.

    • @Opticalresolution
      @Opticalresolution 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Where do you guys read the rules

    • @karthiknarayanan3705
      @karthiknarayanan3705 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@tweschke3 no kramnik is being an idiot as usual. No rules were broken.

  • @niketYoutube
    @niketYoutube วันที่ผ่านมา +44

    There are technologies to transmit moves trom glasses. Ask kramnik to keep it at home

    • @ArjanKumar-s1s
      @ArjanKumar-s1s วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah it would help his team very much 🤣

    • @pubgmobileclashroyale4725
      @pubgmobileclashroyale4725 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ArjanKumar-s1sOur chess team doesn't need help. They are already in top 3. But i see Indian team must need help in Olympics while even North Korea did better

    • @xtanpx
      @xtanpx วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@pubgmobileclashroyale4725nice way to divert the topic because you can't win the argument! Guess, the fellow countrymen have the same Karen tendency as Kramnik. Cope harder 🤢

    • @syncingdata3560
      @syncingdata3560 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@pubgmobileclashroyale4725 Im sorry but the event currently taking place is called the Chess Olympiad not the Olympics

    • @muk_is_superior
      @muk_is_superior วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@pubgmobileclashroyale4725the reading comprehension curse is strong with this one. Olympiad ≠ Olympics

  • @Neo__01
    @Neo__01 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +165

    This guy shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the FIDE rated tournaments. He's gone nuts!

    • @winfredj9820
      @winfredj9820 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      most of the smart people have this problem in their older age

    • @markphc99
      @markphc99 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Not nuts, but more eccentric

    •  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@markphc99 nah, he is definitely insane

    • @junksails814
      @junksails814 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nah - thinking out of the box. Kramnik is correct in every count. You may not like him but he is correct. Can pagers explode? You better believe it now. Nothing is impossible. Ask Mossad

    • @strong8705
      @strong8705 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Might be on purpose, to attract media by scandals.

  • @my_handle_123
    @my_handle_123 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    I think the India team should file an official complaint against the opposition team coach who tried to distract them during the game with baseless accusations and cheap mind tricks.

  • @tommihommi1
    @tommihommi1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +163

    people need to stop giving kramnik attention for everything he says

    • @emiliogonzalez7246
      @emiliogonzalez7246 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He is your favorite chess players favorite chess player. Everyone has a lot of respect for him.

    • @unknown-unknown69
      @unknown-unknown69 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Kramnik has a point

    • @_sayan_roy_
      @_sayan_roy_ 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      @@unknown-unknown69 No, Kramnik does not have "a point". The rule 12.8 allows phones authorised by arbiters which was done for ChessBase India's phones and there are multiple other phones of other nationalities' photographers as well in the hall, all of which are authorized. It's a nothing burger which is typical of Kramnik who makes a fool out of himself every now and then now, even if his chess contributions are great. Danya explained it perfectly in the FIDE chess stream minutes later Kramnik's interview with the channel, if you listened to him.

    • @middleagedgamer9630
      @middleagedgamer9630 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But it's so entertaining and funny 😁

    • @abhirajput9399
      @abhirajput9399 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He has a point but he's still a clown

  • @TheRajneeshsrivastav
    @TheRajneeshsrivastav 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +98

    Even modern camera have bluetooth and wifi connectivity, so what is his argument? Here "authorised" is the operating word...is he giving argument to some kindergarten kids?

    • @ArjanKumar-s1s
      @ArjanKumar-s1s วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Damm correct 😁

    • @mozyhar
      @mozyhar วันที่ผ่านมา

      Only VHS cameras then 🙂

    • @yafi2475
      @yafi2475 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cameras do not have microprocessor in them that can decode board position from image and calculate chess moves using engine.
      I am not saying Kramnik is right, but the only one arguing like kindergarten kids is you.

    • @TheRajneeshsrivastav
      @TheRajneeshsrivastav วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@yafi2475 It is possible to use a camera and Bluetooth to track a chessboard image. This would involve setting up a system where the camera captures images of the chessboard, and an image processing algorithm (like computer vision) analyzes the board to detect changes in piece positions. Bluetooth could be used to send this information to another device (e.g., a phone, computer, or digital chess clock) for further processing or display.
      A camera, such as a phone or webcam, is positioned to capture a top-down image of the chessboard.
      The camera captures real-time images or video, focusing on detecting the positions of the pieces on the board.
      Image Processing (Computer Vision):
      Object Detection Algorithms (e.g., OpenCV, TensorFlow) are used to process the camera images. These algorithms detect the grid of the chessboard and the location of the pieces.
      Piece Identification: Based on color and shape, the algorithm can identify which squares are occupied by which pieces (white/black and type of piece).
      Change Detection: The software compares sequential images to detect when a piece has moved and updates the board state accordingly.
      Bluetooth Communication:
      Once a change is detected in the board state, the system can send data via Bluetooth to a connected device.
      This could be used to update the board on a companion app, provide move suggestions, track game history, or relay moves to an AI opponent or remote player.
      Integration with Chess Software:
      The data transmitted over Bluetooth can be fed into chess software like Stockfish or Lichess, allowing analysis, move validation, or automatic game logging.
      You could also create a digital chess clock using Bluetooth communication to track the time for each player, synchronized with the physical board.
      Technical Considerations:
      Accuracy: The camera’s resolution and the quality of the computer vision algorithm will determine how accurately the system can detect piece movements.
      Latency: Depending on how quickly the camera captures and processes images, and how fast the Bluetooth connection is, there may be a small delay in tracking moves.
      Lighting: Adequate lighting is important for accurate piece detection. Shadows or reflections can interfere with image processing.
      Chessboard Marking: Some systems use marked or encoded chessboards (e.g., with QR codes or specific patterns) to help the computer vision software more easily detect and identify pieces.
      Tools You Can Use:
      OpenCV: Popular for real-time computer vision applications, it can detect the chessboard grid, recognize chess pieces, and track their movements.
      TensorFlow or PyTorch: Useful for creating neural networks that can identify chess pieces or even predict the next move based on the board state.
      Arduino or Raspberry Pi: Can be used to build custom hardware that integrates the camera and Bluetooth communication, especially for chess clocks or low-cost systems.
      This type of system is feasible, and with the right software and hardware, you can track and analyze a chessboard in real-time using a camera and Bluetooth connection" Please offer your counter opinion

    • @TheRajneeshsrivastav
      @TheRajneeshsrivastav วันที่ผ่านมา

      We are living in AI script world Sir, You can not say something impossible ( i agree with Kramnik there) in technology only you can be regulatory and regulation is authorisation and jamming of data transfer. Rest argument is futile.

  • @sourabhsiitg
    @sourabhsiitg 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +111

    Does he even know camera also comes with bluetooth lolz

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      That's not the point is it?

    • @wgoyt
      @wgoyt 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      It is exactly the point. ​@@MrSupernova111

    • @95octavian
      @95octavian 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's childish a camera is not capable of running a chess engine and thats the difference

    • @_sayan_roy_
      @_sayan_roy_ 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@95octavian The rule 12.8 allows phones authorised by arbiters which was done for ChessBase India's phones and there are multiple other phones of other nationalities' photographers as well in the hall, all of which are authorized. If rule is to be challenged then Kramnik should challenge the rule before the tournament and not saying baseless things like it violated the rule when no violation took place. Kramnik is objectively wrong and we can reverse accuse Kramnik in that case and any team saying they are also getting transmissions since as I've mentioned Sagar and ChessBase India are not the only people with phone cameras in the hall.
      BTW, even cameras can transmit information nowadays and if phones can have in-built stockfish to calculate the moves without sim cards, then so can modified processors in cameras if enough funding and resources are put in. So, remove any electronics, I guess. Where does the paranoia end ?

    • @r0ckyr083
      @r0ckyr083 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      ​@@95octavianit's not about running a chess engine... it's about giving a signal.... even a simple remotely operated lens movement can give a signal to a player as to a move being right or wrong.... fide checks the phones for no sim cards and approves it before being allowed in the playing field.

  • @pankaz91
    @pankaz91 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    Big Vlad sir has turned into Deepak Kalal of chess !

  • @AayushSaxena07
    @AayushSaxena07 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +64

    They were doing the same for last 8 rounds and Kramnik actually came couple of times to check the Indian boards but didn't have any problems then, but when India was playing against his team he suddenly thought it was wrong to have phones there. Typical Russian tactics to win by tit or tat.
    Even the rule says if the devices are authorised by the arbiter then they can be used so I don't see any violation of rules here.

    • @junc3354
      @junc3354 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      and why would he complain if his team is not involved ?
      you and other folks would say that he is just being nosy .

    • @chandanpulavarthi8904
      @chandanpulavarthi8904 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@junc3354I don't know what u are arguing about, IT IS WITH IN THE RULES

    • @AayushSaxena07
      @AayushSaxena07 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@junc3354 So he isn't concerned about anti cheating measures when it's not his team? He claims to 'not accuse' India but is only concerned about fair game play but that's only when it's against his team? If he really had issues with the phones he could have raised the concerns in other rounds or even before the start of round 9 but he waited for it to start and once the middle game was reached he made an issue out of it to create some chaos.
      It was a planned move on his part which actually worked to an extent.

    • @junc3354
      @junc3354 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @chandanpulavarthi8904
      sure. every rule or law has an exception..
      it is all over the land..
      what topic or law of the land you want to have a civil discussion with me..
      just say the country and which law ..

    • @PintuDharaLive
      @PintuDharaLive 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Totally mind game

  • @vaibhavnanda1343
    @vaibhavnanda1343 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

    For those wondering about issues, the complaint was immediately addressed by the support staff which cleared the issue because those where FIDE approved phones permitted to record the games. No simcard was there ( obviously ) and further the case was cleared as nothing objectionable was found. I don't mind kramnik raising the issue but accusing the Indian team for cheating just alludes his grumpy behaviour.

    • @mrflamingo1004
      @mrflamingo1004 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I disagree with Kramnik's position here, but he's not accusing the Indian team of cheating-- he's arguing that phones should not be allowed at all because with all the advancement in technology, a team COULD find an easier loophole through which to cheat if phones were allowed. He clarified in the interview that he didn't have an issue with the Indian team. His problem is with the fact that FIDE does not seem to be sufficiently harsh on preventing cheating in advance.

    • @_sayan_roy_
      @_sayan_roy_ 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@mrflamingo1004 Yeah, but the point is Kramnik should know the rules first especially when you complain during a tournament and even more especially when you during a crucial match, which can shake Indian players' concentration. The rule 12.8 allows phones authorised by arbiters which was done for ChessBase India's phones and there are multiple other phones of other nationalities' photographers as well in the hall, all of which are authorized. If rule is to be challenged then Kramnik should challenge the rule before the tournament and not saying baseless things like it violated the rule when no violation took place. Kramnik is objectively wrong and we can reverse accuse Kramnik in that case and any team saying they are also getting transmissions since as I've mentioned Sagar and ChessBase India are not the only people with phone cameras in the hall.
      BTW, even cameras can transmit information nowadays and if phones can have in-built stockfish to calculate the moves without sim cards, then so can modified processors in cameras if enough funding and resources are put in. So, remove any electronics, I guess. Where does the paranoia end ?

    • @r0ckyr083
      @r0ckyr083 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@mrflamingo1004the fide media team themselves use phones to take pictures... if kramnikvwsnted, he could've even blamed the team captains of blinking a certain way to signal the players of certain moves.
      kramnik has the right to check any media devices around his team, but he has not right to claim rule violation without reading the rule himself.

    • @junksails814
      @junksails814 วันที่ผ่านมา

      None of the FIDE personnel were phone experts. Was the phones tampered with prior to the tournament? Was the phones disguised as clandestine communication devise? You think FIDE has this expertise? Don’t say it’s not possible as the impossible now is possible just like can pagers explode on demand. You better believe it now. There are many crooks that will go to theses extreme to win on chess and war - just telephone Mossad for confirmation.

    • @prateekc7804
      @prateekc7804 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@mrflamingo1004u see they are recording games with mobile phones from day 1,is kramnik is completely blind

  • @mattyb808
    @mattyb808 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Kramnik is having vape withdrawls 😭💨

  • @Vbio-m5q
    @Vbio-m5q 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    Close to win the match?? It was a dead draw for most of the games

    • @zitoco2654
      @zitoco2654 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      yeah arjun had some opportunity and he couldn't convert under time pressure. he missed one move and it was a draw

  • @mugiwara839
    @mugiwara839 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    It’s so idiotic on Kramnik’s part on not knowing the rules and then complaining later. This is utter nonsense. If he has problems with everything, why not just read the damn rules and object on a rule beforehand?

  • @DaNangadventurer
    @DaNangadventurer 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    So strange, Kramnik all about accusations on cheating etc but then he is working with Hans Niemann?!

  • @d4rksol123
    @d4rksol123 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    I dare say I am a bit glad this happened.
    India has long had a close relationship with Kramnik, from Vishy and him being good friends, to him coaching a lot of Indian youngsters in the past etc. As such, I felt like most of the country (those close to chess anyway) had been mute on Kramnik's recent delusions (at least to my knowledge). I hope this changes that. Kramnik should be treated as a social pariah in chess for what he is doing (sure someone like Hikaru wont get affected by his antics, but Jospem could easily have, and not to mention younger players). Hopefully the world moves in that direction. People like Vishy and Srinath for example should stop being courteous to him when he shows up at events.

    • @_sayan_roy_
      @_sayan_roy_ 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Kramnik and any person regardless of how great they were in their professions, should be treated as pariahs if they do things like this. This is exactly I was envisioning when this happened.

    • @davidefantoni874
      @davidefantoni874 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@d4rksol123 treating a world champion like a pariah?? Treating also the lesser person of a pariah is already a sin, you indians have a distorted morality. He is asking an improved level of security. Could Phones transmit moves via bluetooth? Yes. So they should be banned in the tournaments.
      Fans can follow all the matches trough the lichess live boards

    • @erdeadman9954
      @erdeadman9954 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nope Srinath has been very critical of him for a while now, I think you missed that he also accused Nihal Sarin of cheating and that is where most of the Indian chess community also started to treat him as pariah although senior players like vishy, hari and even juniors who got trained by him have to maintain some level of respect for him and thats what they are doing

  • @rtos
    @rtos 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +64

    Kramnik waited until day 9 of the tournament to flag his issue. He had no problem in the first 8 days apparently. Even worse this guy says that the Indian team was using it, whereas it was being used by a media team. Hope he understands there is a difference there. The real serious issue here is with this fellow Kramik, who keeps throwing mud at everyone around and hopes something will stick somewhere.

    • @junc3354
      @junc3354 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      do you want Kramnick to lodge a complain against a team that his team is not playing against ?
      every team captain should look after the welfare and interest of their own..

    • @sodiqovs
      @sodiqovs 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@junc3354absolutely true

    • @rtos
      @rtos 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@junc3354 Which team are you exactly referring to? Kramnik l1ed when he said the Indian team was using it.

    • @junc3354
      @junc3354 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @rtos
      it is simple , why would he complain about the phone in the previous rounds that India was using when , it does not concern or affect his team..
      that is why it took him that long..

    • @rtos
      @rtos 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@junc3354 I'm asking you a simple question- was the phone brought in and used by the official India team? Kramniks argument is hollow because its was cleared by security and brought in by a media team, and this is not only the only media team using a smartphone without sim.

  • @MrSquaky
    @MrSquaky วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Vladimir "They must be Cheating!" Kramnik

  • @shivamchouhan5077
    @shivamchouhan5077 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Phones were allowed by fide themselves as a camera, multiple media used phones for recording and the grandpa is only now seeing them. Kramnik aka Vladimir Delulu Kramnik.

  • @gchomuk
    @gchomuk 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Come on, Vlad. There's an app for phones that can capture the moves of the game. A camera can't do that. The app only needs the camera. Not wifi and not bluetooth. Get a grip, Vlad.

  • @wgoyt
    @wgoyt 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    So from tomorrow, no cameras should also be allowed it is also technology, it also have bluetooth.

    • @donramanayake1505
      @donramanayake1505 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Lol he probably will be happy about this and only realise his mistake when the Olympiad is cancelled next the next time around for lack of funding!

  • @MarioLacunza
    @MarioLacunza 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    The caveman only finds out in round 9 that there are authorized cell phones recording in the game room? Is he an idiot?

  • @sinking1902
    @sinking1902 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Kramnik is a meme monster! He’s the gift that just keeps on giving.

  • @geert574
    @geert574 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    The Grinch is counting the days to steal christmas

  • @arpanmanna7990
    @arpanmanna7990 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Each of the phones used for recording the games is checked and an okay sticker pasted on it. Kramnik objected during today's game and the arbiter checked again for Kramnik's peace of mind. No sim was found and the recording resumed.
    As for bluetooth, all cameras sold today have bluetooth and NFC. Kramnik watched the games of Indian players on each match day. He saw the phones recording the games. If he wanted he could have raised an objection on other days too. No other coach/captain thought of this as an issue.
    Rules were made by the fair play team, rules were followed. End of story.

    • @junksails814
      @junksails814 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The story begins. Don’t sweep the problem under the carpet. Did anyone believe pagers can explode ? Did anyone believe phones can transmit information without SIM card. Now you better believe that the unbelievable is possible. That is why the rule NO PHONES.

    • @steliosioannou4996
      @steliosioannou4996 วันที่ผ่านมา

      noone has the knowlege to check the phones,i work in a mobile company and there are 1milliion tricks to be celar but not

    • @arpanmanna7990
      @arpanmanna7990 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@steliosioannou4996 leave that to the fair play team. They are experts in the field. Also the playing hall is teeming with all kinds of people.

  • @drbharatbhushantelang3039
    @drbharatbhushantelang3039 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Cameras also transmit the moves what he is talking about 😂😂

  • @sushmakumari6829
    @sushmakumari6829 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    He just can't accept our young guys are doing this. At top. He thinks Europeans should lead every where. Cry baby😢

  • @soumikchatterjee3996
    @soumikchatterjee3996 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    It doesn’t matter what Kramnik thinks or what others believe; what matters are the rules of chess. In this case, the rules have not been violated. If anyone has objections to FIDE’s rules, they should appeal to FIDE for changes. For those who simply want to enjoy chess, let’s focus on this great chess event.
    'Art. 11.3.2 FIDE Laws of Chess'

  • @capsubs1687
    @capsubs1687 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Indian Government should ban Kramnik for life for drama

  • @jodya.vonwahl2413
    @jodya.vonwahl2413 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I believe the phone was being used by the media team from chessbase Indian so I would assume they have permission to use a phone for recording content. I'm sure they if FIDE told them that only dedicated cameras would be allowed in the hall they would have no issues complying. And I'm sure the last thing they want is to jeopardize a match result.
    That said I do see his point and I think FIDE should take it into consideration for further rounds or at the least future events. Integrity of the game must be maintained, especially in our current context of fair play / anti cheating concerns.

    • @itachiuchiha9306
      @itachiuchiha9306 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ofcourse they had permission from fide this old guy has gotten insane nothing else

  • @Vishal-
    @Vishal- 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    So he has no problem with digital cameras but not phones on flight mode? Tell him, digital cameras *have both wifi & Bluetooth* , nowadays 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @sandrinjoy
      @sandrinjoy วันที่ผ่านมา

      With bluetooth on phone, you can transmit data, and can do anything. Camera bluetooth& wifi is just for connecting phone and sending photos

    • @govinddas7876
      @govinddas7876 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@sandrinjoy
      "...in phone you can transmit data"
      "Camera Bluetooth and WiFi is just for connecting phone and sending photos"
      Sending photos is transmitting data you mug.

    • @sandrinjoy
      @sandrinjoy วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@govinddas7876 ya you play chess with it

    • @sandrinjoy
      @sandrinjoy วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@govinddas7876 supporting usage of phones at the chess playing halls. You really think it okay , idiot

  • @mamaBucketvfx
    @mamaBucketvfx วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Karmnik really said, the 9th round is where i draw the line. 100s of camera all Olympiad but its the 9th round that matters😂

  • @prasadduvvuri8227
    @prasadduvvuri8227 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    What about the phones or phone like devices that are used to monitor blood sugar and heart rhythms for at risk chess players. Kramnik really needs to point the rules that were objectively violated; feelings are not facts.

  • @chandanpulavarthi8904
    @chandanpulavarthi8904 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Cameras also have bluetooth i guess.
    I am not a tech expert as Kramnik

    • @vd.se.17
      @vd.se.17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      But why the Vape had whistle?

  • @laalBaadshahs
    @laalBaadshahs 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    First of all Someone should explain to Mr. Kramnik that Chessbase india is there as a media firm and is not related to team India any way . Secondly CBI has all approvals for the camera to be in there , and even if the mobile phones have communication capabilities how would it interact with the player if the players themselves don't have anything on them . Also given technology is so advanced how can he be so sure that the cameras dont have transmission capabilities. even my camera has a bluetooth and wifi feature on it . Its totally uncalled for

  • @v4l4r_m0rghul15
    @v4l4r_m0rghul15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Let the man vape for everyone's sake!

  • @t0lis654
    @t0lis654 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kramnik making Phantasy again

  • @UnknownUser-j3n
    @UnknownUser-j3n วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Listening to Kramnik is an obvious violation of sanity.

  • @mohits499
    @mohits499 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think its objective is to distract the indan team from their games

  • @ItsAsparageese
    @ItsAsparageese วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The boomers-think-all-tech-is-bad gambit! What a move!

  • @_sayan_roy_
    @_sayan_roy_ 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    No, Kramnik does not have any point despite his fair minded and objective demeanor and rhetorics. The FIDE rule 12.8 allows phones authorised by arbiters which was done for ChessBase India's phones (ChessBase India is an old channel, which although is Indian is not affiliated to Indian players, and who has been using phones for all kinds of tournaments for a long time even if Indians don't play there for capturing multiple angles since they don't have budget for so many actual cameras (even dedicated cameras can transmit btw) and if not budget restrictions, it is for ease of convenience). Additionally, there are multiple other phones of other nationalities' photographers as well in the hall from round 1 itself, all of which are authorized by arbiters. We can reverse accuse Kramnik by saying these other phones are transmitting to Uzbek players, but that would still not violate 12.8.
    It's a nothing burger which is typical of Kramnik nowadays who makes a fool out of himself every now and then now, even if his chess contributions are great. Danya explained it perfectly in the FIDE chess stream minutes later Kramnik's interview if you listened to him, who was understandably annoyed with Kramnik and even Judith Polgar seemed mildly annoyed.

  • @mohammedshoaib1774
    @mohammedshoaib1774 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kramnik just keeps finding new ways to lose respect.

  • @yatinaj
    @yatinaj วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    E-cigarettes are not banned for transmitting they are not allowed because it is an addiction, harmful and disturbing for others. Kramnik would know this because he gets so irritated when he doesn't get one. Please check what he smokes

  • @pritamupadhya3517
    @pritamupadhya3517 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kramnik : "Obvious violation of FIDE rules".
    FIDE : "As per our regulations, It's allowed when we authorise it"
    Kramnik : "IT'S A VIOLATION OF YOUR REGULATIONS!"

  • @matthewfairchild3846
    @matthewfairchild3846 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Supernova11 in the comments like a Kramnik burner account 😭

  • @jeevanshirodkar2581
    @jeevanshirodkar2581 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    When India is moving ahead at No. 1 position then all will complain about violation. When other countries are ahead of India then it is fairplay.

  • @AnHonestDoubter
    @AnHonestDoubter วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I was on team Kramnik until he started (very ironically) associating with chess cheater Hans.

  • @ce19harendrasingh89
    @ce19harendrasingh89 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Guys there is 15 minutes delay in actual game and streaming how can someone cheat with that phone

  • @latharaghavan7442
    @latharaghavan7442 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro Kramnik you are skeptical not the mobile phone .

  • @_English_Learner
    @_English_Learner วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kramnik thinks fide is not capable of checking mobiles and other things , only he can do that.

  • @mariarosenadsouza
    @mariarosenadsouza วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looks like Kramnik has never used a digital Camera. Even digital cameras have fully functional communication via WiFi and Bluetooth

  • @markets28
    @markets28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Old Soviet misdirection tactics. They will never learn and live in past.

  • @junedkhan-ft6dh
    @junedkhan-ft6dh วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Old man pls sit at home 🙏

  • @thewizard5060
    @thewizard5060 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Kramnik was bored so he looking for something to do 😂. He think Gukesh wanna cheat before his World championship match? Come on... no one will be that stupid

    • @rajsub3884
      @rajsub3884 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There is no cheating as such if u understand if u just get clue that you are good position that enough for top players just slight clue will turn upside

  • @jamestrujillo5195
    @jamestrujillo5195 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Kramnik is going BEYOND THE PROCEDURE

  • @c.c.1197
    @c.c.1197 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Vladimir "I mean Karen" Kramnik

  • @tarunyadav3567
    @tarunyadav3567 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    It is allowed if the arbiters allow it but I agree that it should not be allowed period since you can use camera's instead

    • @josiahmacfarlane4344
      @josiahmacfarlane4344 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I would agree in theory, however, almost all professional cameras that capture video indoors overheat.
      Some don't but those are more expensive/unavailable in some areas, and while I don't completely like the idea of phones, it they are the option that won't overheat during the day, then that's the option that should be used.
      Also, the Fide rules state: "Unless authorised by the arbiter, it is forbidden for anybody to use a mobile phone or any kind of communication device in the playing venue or any contiguous area designated by the arbiter."

    • @tarunyadav3567
      @tarunyadav3567 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@josiahmacfarlane4344 Idk much about camera's so I can't say
      Anyway modified camera's can be used to cheat so maybe my point is moot

    • @_sayan_roy_
      @_sayan_roy_ 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@josiahmacfarlane4344 Very well said. Also, we can reverse accuse Kramnik in that case and any team saying they are also getting transmissions since Sagar and ChessBase India are not the only people with phone cameras in the hall. Many different photographers from different nationalities have them due to budget restrictions, battery issues, ease of convenience, and overheating issues. If rule is to be challenged then Kramnik should challenge the rule before the tournament and not saying baseless things like it violated the rule especially during a crucial match when no violation took place, and he doesn't know the rule 12.8 itself.
      BTW, even cameras can transmit information nowadays and if phones can have in-built stockfish to calculate the moves without sim cards, then so can modified processors in cameras if enough funding and resources are put in. So, remove any electronics, I guess. Where does the paranoia end ?

  • @rambot670
    @rambot670 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I have newfound respect for Shri Vishwanathan Anand Ji after watching other great chess players lose their mind such as Kramnik.
    It was Kramnik's motivation that kept Vishwanathan Anand sir going. An irony, and a past, friendly face of Kramnik.

  • @dr.daigoroitto991
    @dr.daigoroitto991 วันที่ผ่านมา

    technically a e-cigarette can also be modified to a transmitter of "moves"

  • @wydadiyoun
    @wydadiyoun 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I personally have won a chess game in real life tournament with muuuuuch lower stakes just because my opponents phone ringed!

    • @thinboxdictator6720
      @thinboxdictator6720 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes. That's something different tho.

    • @ranjankgp2024
      @ranjankgp2024 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      "My Opponents phone". Their opponents has no phone. We r talking about a private youtube channel who was recording the game by phones.
      Chessbase India and Indian chess team r two different entities.

    • @rtos
      @rtos วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wydadiyoun The sim card is removed for clearing these phones. No calls likely

  • @aadesh7
    @aadesh7 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I mean you do have bluetooth and wifi on cameras too. Some cameras even have sim cards. Its about whether the device is approved or not. Nothing else should be relevant.

  • @christinemurray1444
    @christinemurray1444 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Sagar Shah is not part of the Indian delegation. Every camera has a powerful computer these days, anti cheating is making sure players don't get assistance, not preventing the presence of computers in the venue because then you wouldn't be able to broadcast the event.

  • @PintuDharaLive
    @PintuDharaLive 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    It's a mind game

  • @sahilbhardwaj441
    @sahilbhardwaj441 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can someone please explain to Kramnik that modern digital cameras can have installed applications and have a similar computation power to a mobile phone.

  • @legowtham
    @legowtham 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    From the previous Vaishali interview video, I bet Mike is somewhere happy about this complaint against Chessbase India. Lol

  • @isqueirus
    @isqueirus วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Just block them and make the procedure!

  • @jeprotable
    @jeprotable วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kramnik is making sense

    • @Timhsa_25
      @Timhsa_25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your mom also make sense.

    • @rimurutempest2130
      @rimurutempest2130 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How ? Don't you read rules for Media person

  • @Timmichanga361
    @Timmichanga361 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This guy is absurd and has truly damaged his place in history. If the phone was transmitting info to players...the players would have to have a way to receive that info and there is zero evidence of that either

  • @abcdefg123401
    @abcdefg123401 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Although he is being salty but he does have a point here . Either phones are banned or they are not . Not saying Chess Base India is at fault , its the Chess rules that should be critical about everything . I mean when they can ban Russians just coz their President went nuts and goes to war , then they should stick to no phones allowed without any conditions

  • @PrathamR-y8h
    @PrathamR-y8h วันที่ผ่านมา

    the old man clearly loosing his marbles now

  • @slylataupe4272
    @slylataupe4272 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Any electronic device could lead to cheating, a camera as well. Think twice before talking Kramnik would be my advice

  • @rishabguptabfapainting3817
    @rishabguptabfapainting3817 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kramnik has not only lost his prime but also his mind😂😂

  • @pritamchavan20
    @pritamchavan20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kramnik making his own rules for fide and expecting other to follow it 🤣 I truly appreciate this man for all the things he has done for chess. But you can’t ignore the fact that he’s so whiny 🤣

  • @markking5448
    @markking5448 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It's unusual to see Kramnik whingeing

  • @shiprasingh8544
    @shiprasingh8544 วันที่ผ่านมา

    kramnik has actually lost senses

  • @ajaykumar-ve5oq
    @ajaykumar-ve5oq วันที่ผ่านมา

    and how are those flipped cameras helping tho?

  • @blankpaper2471
    @blankpaper2471 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kramnik understood that they don't stand a chance against India. So, he use his usual tactics to discredit india lmao 😂😂 the irony

  • @95octavian
    @95octavian 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ok I'd respect it if he actually wanted to protect his team because something like a phone can be quite distracting but he did say so much bullsh*t that its hard tp believe that

  • @maggie_4321
    @maggie_4321 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kramnik is messing with wrong country. 😂😂😂
    If the hornet nest is rattled, just imagine the billions of dislikes, negative comments, booing, cancel culture, boycott etc

    • @boogieman6529
      @boogieman6529 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He can make good money out of it and get very popular too

    • @maggie_4321
      @maggie_4321 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@boogieman6529 what about his mental health. Indians are the most stubborn kind of people in both good as well as bad ways

  • @Nehasupnfan
    @Nehasupnfan 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I see a steady cognitive decline. Someone needs to call a doctor for him.

  • @alexj835
    @alexj835 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A phone without WiFi or SIM card is called a.. wait for it…. CAMERA!! Modern cameras are more dangerous than a smart phone with no connection.

  • @menuaunoe8237
    @menuaunoe8237 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Where Kramnik is right is we need an asmr chess in a glass box

  • @hobomanslaughter
    @hobomanslaughter 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This pleases me gentlemen. Your move mr bond

  • @rajusonawane6557
    @rajusonawane6557 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Give back his e-cigarette, he will be happy!

  • @LordArishem2008
    @LordArishem2008 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kramnik was just scared that India would destroy Uzbekistan like the others and they would have no chance of medal so he tried to find a loophole to save Uzbekistan.. if he actually had problems with phones only he would have pointed it out long ago..

  • @ajaykumar-ve5oq
    @ajaykumar-ve5oq วันที่ผ่านมา

    do professional cameras don't have bluetooth I'm sure some have it

  • @DieForMath
    @DieForMath วันที่ผ่านมา

    Chessbase India does not have enough money to buy cameras to cover. Welcome to the smartphones.

  • @turgaycoruhlu4648
    @turgaycoruhlu4648 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    India is rooting for crown and chessbase india is recording🤔

  • @zombiuiuiui4336
    @zombiuiuiui4336 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The one time i 100% agree with him.

  • @reybandaying8457
    @reybandaying8457 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kramnik is also a champion of complain. Ridiculous.

  • @krishnaprabhakar526
    @krishnaprabhakar526 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He is really prejudiced and biased and also ignorant of FIDE rules of Competition. As per Rules, recording devices are allowed in playing hall if approved by the organisers. The devices ( phones without SIM cards and in aeroplane mode) were approved and sealed by the Fide anti cheating committee and organisers .

  • @harshitgupta818
    @harshitgupta818 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Same transmissions inki team k bhi to skte hn 😂 but indian team is not blaming ..... Victim Mentality 🫠

  • @DonkeyFrog
    @DonkeyFrog 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If rule was broken then Kramnik is right.

    • @Nehasupnfan
      @Nehasupnfan 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Keep up