Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Lower Decks 1.4 - Moist Vessel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Adam Clery and Ash Millman, with all the ups and downs from Star Trek: Lower Decks' 4th episode, 'Moist Vessel'...
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I think the overall story is that this is the second tier ship, with a second tier crew, that tries so hard to become first tier frontier ship. Trying to prove that they are fit to go on away missions and explore.
Something I thought about that I thought would be interesting would be going into Tendi's Orion heritage. They've never addressed how the Orion Pheromone ability completely works. Can only some do it? Can they control it? Does Tendi have to take meds to keep it under control? If so what happens when they run out? Could they run into some problem that prevents them from replicating it, or have a bunch of stuff destroyed, and now Tendi has to try and do her job as a zombie apocalypse of men are throwing themselves at her? Maybe her problem with wanting to be liked is she's trying to suppress what that ability does so that people like her for her. Feels like there's a lot of things you can do.
To be fair, just trying to get a job done while men throw themselves at her could be relatable for a lot of women...
I am a real life New Age spiritual junkie myself and the "ascension" plot really killed me! There are a lot of real life New Age spiritual techniques references. And of course Q and Traveller references, and "Lucy". I love it so much!
Also, the Picard show also had a Romulan meditation, which is also similar to some sort of real life techniques. I bet these different Trek shows writers did exchange notes. 😂
if it killed you... did it make you ascend? :)
Yeah... they went there:
Captain: "Then give her WORSE jobs!"
First Officer: "I've got her emptying BLANK out of the holodeck's BLANK filters!"
Captain: "Uhhhck...people really use it for that?"
First Officer: "Ohh yeah. It's mostly that"
......... I mean, even I assumed that it was mostly used for that back when I was a very sheltered and naive Christian teenager. (I was still assuming that most people were taking their spouses or SO there for "date night" at the time, but still.)
The Captain has no excuse whatsoever.
Do I want to watch a 20 min video about a 20 min episode? Yes.
The moment when Boimler did the sarcastic Vulcan salute to Mariner was laugh out loud funny, and the ascension was also laugh out loud funny for me, but not in the moment. That bit hit me and made me laugh out loud later in the day while doing the dishes 😆.
The fact that Mariner was like "You can't do that (cool Vulcan salute) you don't look cool doing it" then once he's gone is like "Damn it he did look cool." was pretty good.
Funny enough, this episode grows on me while I am thinking about it, but in the moment, I was underwhelmed. Strange thing.
I think that’s generally a sign of a good television show or movie - that you’re left with something to think about and rewatch - I find this show is very rewatchable and I’m finding I appreciate the shows more the more I watch it - it’s very layered - story wise and visually
I’m finding I’m watching each episode multiple times and finding new things each time I watch it
The consensus seems to be (which I agree this) that this was the least "ha-ha funny" episode and yet it was still a good episode especially in the 2nd half, with some good character story in it.
I was actually pretty worried in the 1st half but when I found that I had a big goofy smile on my face during the 2nd half I realized ok, this was good. I never laughed out loud but didn't need to.
Favourite joke: "Executive Poker." Also the Ascension scene was a lot of fun. "THE UNIVERSE EXISTS ON THE BACK OF A GIANT KOALA! WHY IS IT SMILING WHAT DOES IT KNOW???!!!"
Ransom's *****-filled *****-tanks bit was great.
Mariner saving the day not because she had some Mary-Sue type knowledge or ability that nobody else does, but because she read the Captain's mission brief was a really nice and smart touch.
I am low key loving this show so far. It feels more like traditional Star Trek than the Picard show did a few months ago.
In fairness, Picard wasn't supposed to be a "traditional" Star Trek show.
I do completely agree with you, though.
There is something developing below the surface about an Orion woman having an issue with being unliked. An Orion woman might have 99 problems, but being unliked should not be one of them.
She's in starfleet. She can't just use her orion pheromones to be liked, it would be unprofessional. But i suppose part of her must crave it. Heck, humans crave it, orions just have a shortcut. That she can't use.
@@amy27ro Certainly. Having her pheromones surpressed might have been a prerequisite for joining Starfleet. But it's also possible that being an Orion, she's never developed the social skills to be likeable without using pheromones, and so that makes her inordinately anxious about being liked. And so, the sight of an Orion woman clinging desperately to a man's leg is a big WTF moment...that scene should have been the other way around. I don't know if that's something the writers expect us to just "get" as Trek fans, another inside reference, or if they're going to go somewhere with it in later episodes.
Has she been stated to be Orion? They are not federation, and there must be more green skinned species. and Orion generally have black hair...
@@user-zh4vo1kw1z BTS info has told us she's Orion. And "generally have black hair" is kind of a dumb statement. Humans have a vast variety of colors of hair, what color would you say we "generally" have? I would venture to say that Orions can have a variety of colors of hair as well and even still there's things like dying hair.
@@brianstraight9308 about as stupid as thinking in planets of hats, which has been a staple of Trek (granted, moving away from it slowly, with for example lot of subtle hints in DS9 that Klingons either present themselves that way or are perceived that way despite evidence to the contrary). So I made an assumption based on evidence that has been presented in the past, combined with how Trek historically dealt with intraspecies variation (e.g. assuming it doesnt exist). True, not a very strong or solid assumption, but not one that is completely unfounded.
But then let me rephrase it as 'have only been shown to have'. That's the problem with black swans.
I've got to be honest in that the lack of a "story arc" is a major plus for me in this show. Everything is going to that whole "if you miss one episode your screwed" approach. That just isn't the way I watch television. (The fact that I just turned 50 might have something to do with this.) That format definitely has no place in a half hour animated show. That has been the downfall of Young Justice, in my opinion, for whatever that is worth.
Just turning 30 and I feel the same way. I grew up watching episodic TV, and I much prefer that style. DS9 did an excellent job of having an overall story arc but at the same time keeping the series episodic, but even that would be a bit much for a 20-30 minute animated show. I think it is the right decision for each episode to be a self-contained story and just have the 'arc' based more on character development.
@@Bastion90 Deep Space Nine was tough for me to properly enjoy until I was able to watch it all in order. Same with Babylon 5. But they're two of my favourite sci-fi shows now that we're not stuck in the dark, barbaric era of the 90s. Humanity's barbarism is _far_ more high tech now, we've got streaming and remote controlled death drones! I'm just a few years older than you so I know what growing up then was like. Just had a birthday actually. 💜🖖
Joe, I do get getting stuck in your ways a little as you age. I have similar problems getting into modern gaming. But it's always good to try and push against that, keeps your brain younger and more active. I don't even have a TV licence anymore, I just stream, so watching stuff in order rather than when it comes out was easy for me to adapt to, it would definitely annoy me if I didn't have access to that. And... I'm liking a few modern gaming titles, I've found it helps to push my boundaries. I've got some long term mental health issues, so I'm interested in trying to keep my neuroplasticity alive as long as possible 😊 down with entropy!
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Happy belated birthday :)
@@Bastion90 Thank you sweetie! Live long and prosper!
Love Ash co-hosting with Adam! More of this please 😁👍
Totally agree! Ash is a great host
I felt like they really defined Lower Decks when they “promoted” Mariner. They showed in a parody sort of way how being part of the bridge crew is not where the excitement is but instead it is in the Lower Decks with all their individual concerns of being recognized for their accomplishments or those just taking a laid back approach. It’s awesome to see this humorous side of Trek!
For me the interesting thing is, we see other aspects of the daily bridge crew life and get a sense of how it goes when "we don't tune in" so to speak. In the most cases, we only visit the characters when something big is happening (ok, and sometimes, when they are on the holodeck ;)
I can absolutely imagine Picard and the senior staff talking about carpet colors and chairs when there is not so much action going on between episodes XD
its downright refreshing and these characters are becoming more and more relatable. Decently well written and whoever is writing episodes is competent
I laughed out loud when Boilmer spilt the coffee on Ransom. What an Easter Egg. Especially when inreference to the joke on this channel about the Janeway Protocol and trying to tounge in Cheek try to stay out was in reference to Ensign Janeway. It was like they watched your video
Futurama was a good example of minor serialised elements in a drop-in-drop-out animated comedy.
For my money though, DS9 has the perfect balance of serialised and stand-alone story telling in all of television.
Oh yeah, that and B5. You have these big overarching plots and galaxy spanning consequences, then you have the smaller stories that are absurd, brilliant, fantastic, and largely sejf contained.
@@TonksMoriarty
Even the self-contained stories were related to the overarching plot. Take The House Of Quark; the recent discovery of the Dominion has chased away his business, so when the opportunity presents itself, Quark embellishes a story, which leads to the rest of the episode's events.
I found the humor much more subtle and loved it. The show does feel like it's coming in to it's own now. My favourite thing about it was the stubborn tellerite captain as a nice little Easter egg. Sensors was also an awesome throw back!
Adding Ash is almost always AWESOME!
Thanks for bringing Ash on board
Loving ❤ the up and down show. More Ash if possible
The episodic nature of the show ties in really well with the idea that it takes place on one of the least important ships in the fleet.
I think that you're both perhaps a bit mistaken about the lack of character development for Tendi in this episode. Yes, before this we already knew that she was nieve, eager and wanted to be liked, but she also seemed to be a total pushover. Here, we see some real steal in Tendi's backbone when she's pursuing an important goal ... you know, her desire to be liked. Tendi was so fixated on this that I think that she may need to see the ship's counselor.
Adam is absolutely my favorite presenter on TH-cam, full stop.
Ash was brillian, and a great addition. Great job!
I like how they did something similar to Mariner when they promoted her, as they did with Geordi LaForge in TNG, where Geordi and Mariner both went from those command uniforms to Engineering uniforms. I thought that was a nice touch. The sarcastic Vulcan salute of Mariner's was also amusing. I felt this fourth episode felt the MOST like TNG. Also, Mariner wasn't putting Boimler down, like in all the previous 3 episodes. That's something that, for me, was getting old. I like when the comedy is created from situations, not from making fun at someone else's expense. So, I would say this is my personal favourite episode so far, even if they didn't deal a whole lot with Tendi (who I also want to see more of). They did a wonderful job with the writing and story-telling. More like this please.
Definitely the best episode yet! Hell, think it was better than allot of old trek.
Still having a blast watching this. I don't need a season long story arc or deep profound exploration of the human condition with this show. It's funny to see Star Trek poke fun at itself and get silly. And I already like these characters more than the weird nameless bridge crew of Discovery.
I am relieved that it is episodic like TOS and TNG. I enjoy watching TV where I don't have to watch one episode before I see another. I get so lost sometimes. BTW LOVE!!!!! this series. Have watched it all the way through twice. Can't wait for the new season!
I have to say that this was my favourite episode, _because_ it didn't throw the humour at us constantly. It felt more like a TNG episode with the comedy turned up.
Also, lots of character development for Mariner - it really shows why she is happy being an ensign, rather than being promoted somewhere she doesn't want to be, and why there's so much friction between her and her mother.
I agree that we need more character development for Tendi, but it is always a joy to see more of her.
What character development? The characters a flat as pancakes.
Voyager and DS9 had a good balance of "story arc" and "single narrative" episodes. You could still miss a few and you wouldn't be that out of the loop, even if something happened to progress that thread just a little bit.
Great episode I look forward to lower decks every week
In think they could do more with the series with a 1 hour run time. That would allow time to fulfill the missing elements to complete the TNG feel and do a better job telling more stories in one show!
Grew up in the next town over to Merced, Atwater CA via Castle AFB - San Joaquin Valley represent!!!
You make a great duo for this! I loved that the Merced had blue hull markings where the Cerritos has yellow, presumably marking the Merced as a more science focused ship, and confirming that the yellow of the Cerritos is because it's more Engineering/Ops focused.
I'm all for deriving comedy from character development/interaction, it's one of the many reasons I love Frasier, which is far less dated than it should be. It's aged much better than its contemporaries.
Also, Admiral Clery mispronouncing "Merced" as "Mercet" is a great Easter egg in _this_ video, whether intentional or not! 🖖😁
It’s interesting that no one on the Cerritos knows Mariner is related to the Captain or the her father’s an admiral. O and Merced is a city in CA.
I thought this episode was the closest "Lower Decks" has come to a "traditional" ST:TNG episode so far. It wasn't quite as funny as the other episodes have been but I still enjoyed it. I must have missed something though, because why would the captain of the Merced just up and decide to change the plan on using the tractor beam without consulting the Cerritos first? That part didn't make any sense to me.
Tractor beam bro's ego got into it because all they got is rep in the future. Should have checked himself.
Perhaps it's because Tellarites were usually portrayed as argumentative and arrogant in the past.
He'd served with the captain of the Cerritos on another vessel. It was hinted at a few times that were professional rivals, who didn't really respect each other. (The captain called him a bore (or a boar, heh), and he glared at her picture for no particular reason.)
I think him moving his ship closer was just to slightly antagonize her. At least that's how I read the situation. It certainly wasn't spelled out for us.
Sheer f**** hubrus on the Merced captain
All of the conflict - and most of the humor - in this series comes from people feeling inadequate compared to their peers.
Tendi really grew on me in this ep.
I didnt like her at first, but I guess I found her to be the more happy-go-lucky alien girl...dont get that often.
love this episode
I have to disagree on not learning enough about Tendi, because in the first episode, all we saw of her was just pure excitement, that she's this capable cool excitable young ensign. There was nothing in those first episodes that said she desired to be liked and that she must be liked, this was a new layer to her introduced in this episode, where we actually see Tendi's excitability as a flaw that leads her into overdoing things simply because she wants people to like her and she can't stand it if people don't. This is an expansion on the character and in fact makes her less one note, it shows her with flaws of her own.
Ash needs her own program approaching everything as a kind, enthusiastic novice.
It's a good thing the show's mostly episodic. Too many shows have central stories that suck or don't end well and the entire show suffers for it.
I wonder when Tendi's pheromones are going to make an appearance? Her need to be liked could come into play inadvertantly with the Male crew members.
At any point do you think the show is going to reference that part of California is now a coastal reef? In Voyager, Chakotay mentioned as much when they traveled back in time to the 90s.
Maybe that's why the California class exists: as a memorial for the parts of California that were destroyed when it sank into the ocean.
My only problem with this episode was this one line: “The universe is balanced on the back of a giant koala.” I completely blacked out when I heard that line
Nobody cares what you think nerd
And why is he smiling. I like to think that's Q having a joke
Great show Trek Culture.
Welcome Ash! Thought it was another great episode - and I laughed several tunes
Ashleigh listing 1 of the reasons i LOVE this show reallllllly early on....you can have it on in the background OR watch intently...which some of the best cartoons are like (Futurama and Archer for example). Watching backlogs of Ups & Downs bc i love this show so much lol.
For a second I thought Ash was wearing a Half-pip on her collar
Thank you for the fun post really enjoyed it, as for this episode it wasn’t my favourite but I think I need to rewatch it. I’m flag the series doesn’t have an overall arc I prefer the individual episode style. I do think this was the Most Trek episode but they need to down play the ‘Bad Girl’ Mariner. Congratulations on hitting the 50k subscribers shows people like what your doing, me for one. Keep up the good work and look forward to the next post.
It's fun to see these old Ups and Downs again. Um ... and how they improved from this beginnings to a ... howshallIsay ... less wordy experience. Of course Adam and Sean are both darlings, it's not about personas.
The Ascension part was very Highlander
I have that same Japanese print of the tidal wave wiping out the Korean navy.
Did anyone mention the colorful sand mess up? There is colorful sand on the replicator before she asks for it! check it out.
I like this show. I am a trekkie although lately I'm mostly the golden years trekkard. I'm not even a cartoon fan usually, but I like this, all 4 episodes! I'm happy.
Very good episode.
Our favorite episode so far---especially the ascension bit...
The easter egg with Tendi has to have everyone like her.... She's an Orion with the pheromones and everyone also falls all over Orion Slave Girls... but it doesn't happen with her and she HAS to have that...also the other ship had the blue bits on it like the Cerritos has the gold bits.. it was a science ship vs an engineering mission ship
Very good point on Tendi.
I was actually thinking that the crystal worshiping aliens looked like they were from Rick and Morty, and the things O'Neil was saying while ascending was very Rick and Morty-esque
Were do they broadcast this show. Is it online.
Hi Adam and Ash, GOOD to see you both, I like the episode,I feel it has a more Star Trek feel. The mission was an important and the other ship made for a interesting dynamic. I like seeing the Tellarite captain, and the fact that Captain Freeman served with him on another ship was good. The story with Mariner and her mother was a good character building. I did think the Tendi story was like but ok. Love that Boilmer just lost it when Mariner get promoted, I don't understand WHY she moved to full LIEUTENANT and not Lieutenant Junior Grade, PLUS why she went to GOLD uniform?. BUT it is a cartoon right. ( *-* ) to Ash hope you have a wonderful life.
Yeah, that was my thought about Mariner's promotion as well. She's command division, so she should have stayed in a red uniform. And it should have been a hollow or black second pip, not a gold one. For a show that gets so much minutia correct (more than *I'd* get correct if I were writing the show), that was a strange thing to miss.
That brings me to my other though: maybe the uniform change and the full bird lieutenant promotion were part of the captain's scheme to really stick it to Mariner. That may have been all part of the plan.
@@jasonwalker9471 Could be BUT as I think about it, she is more experienced then an average ensign. and she may have held that rank before, but as for uniform change don't know,
I guess that was the intention. As a junior lieutenant, she would not be able to attend the senior staff meetings and everything. As the OPS senior officer, she would have to go through crew roster schedule and other managing roles she hates. All part of the punishment.
as part of the 50,000, i have to say congratulations....and i like the fact that it is episodic...that was the way tng was...and...has anybody noticed that the name of the ship is just cheetos and doritos combined...just sayin'...cheers...rocky
How may times did they change the rank of the security chief in the show? has this been an on going gag I missed?
Good video. I love that you got the sexy Ash to help.
Has anyone clicked to the idea that Beckett and Boimler are the 'odd couple'? Their berths on the ship are 'A12001' (Beckett) and 'A12003' (Boimler). The 'even couple' (Tendi and Rutherford) are asssigned to 'A12002' and 'A12004'. This seems kind of fitting to me as Beckett and Boimler are unmatched, or odd, personality types while Tendi and Rutherford seem like very similar, matched or even, personality types.
Given ten episodes of "half hour" length in this first season, I'm alright without an ongoing plot demanding screen time each week.
But I enthusiastically agree with your four-episode up.
Why have the easter egg videos stopped after 2 weeks?
Wrestling is a guilty pleasure of how I got involved in Whatculture's content, but being a somwhat disappointed Star Trek fan with Voyager and Enterprise, TH-cam sent me here, So I thought I'd check this episode out. I admit, I'm not willing to pay to watch current Trek yet, but still, I'm interested. ;)
Star wars = western in space. Star Trek = Moral Drama in Space. Stick to that distinction and Star Trek will once again be a success.
is this the senSORs episode?
Hi, I am re-watching this again and I must say I would like to see Ash again now it is SEPT 3 2021 and Sean could use help PLUS Ash you have opinion that is interesting you know your Trek and a face that is made for the camera.
I got more of a Highlander vibe from the ascension bit.
The entire episode is an Easter egg for that Star Trek movie with the genesis device/goo, spock coming back to life, the parent relationship with kirk and his son/baby mama. Was that in 2 or 3?
Merced (pron. mer-sed) is a fairly boring farm town in the Central Valley. It recently gained a University of California campus, which gives it something. It’s insanely hot in the summer, and has low lying fog in the winter. It can be a bit meth-y in spots. Yeah, that’s Merced. More surprised to see a Tellerite with a name like Durango. And I lost it with the filters in the holodeck.
Lt. TIA is the best 👌
Lower decks captures the aura of legacy trek
The ascension was a good part the animation was great
How are they watching lower decks? I can’t find anyway to watch it in the UK
Watch cartoon online
james ward-gwilliam what website? Because it is on that CBS thingy in the US and we don’t have it here
@@HoboDucks I already said it that's the name of the website
james ward-gwilliam oh is it? Oh sorry thank you
@@HoboDucks hope it works for you
I don't know anything about the show's production, but I think it's worth considering that they are showing some of the episodes out of production order. If true, the show may have been built without a season arc so they would have that option. There can be problems with animation delivery, dialog changes, and marketing decisions that could all lead to that sort of scheduling switcheroo (which is very "Star Trek" if you look back on old production stories). I think it's likely that they're watching closely for what works, and I suspect there will be a bit of a cliffhanger or at least a an unanswered question in the last episode, which will lead to more sophisticated story telling. Or maybe they'll stick with slightly random funny, either way works for me. This is a great show. :-)
Idk why but I saw the word moist and I was like my mom absolutely hates that word
Bakers love the word "moist," though. It's a primary goal for cakes and other baked goods.
@@kirkdarling4120 yep
A bunch of people claim to not like the word moist truth is they all are full of shit and just trying to be cool
The ship was the Merced, which is extra funny because Merced is a terrible, small, undeveloped podunk with the worst discount university in the entire UC system.
The uss Ceridian is the best 👌
Example of a cartoon with a story arc: Gravity Falls.
Fun, 24 minute animations with great overarching plot?
Avatar.
Mariner is on a mission we don’t know about that requiers her to keep a low rank.
Yeah I think there's definitely something going on with her whole story. Section 31?
I suspect her mission is, "get through my hitch with Starfleet without taking on too much responsibility or becoming a lifer."
If Mariner hates being close to her mom and her senior crew why doesn't she want to transfer to a different ship?? I don't get it!
She hates everything starfleet is built on is my take so far. I don't get her character at all. Takes me out of it every time she shows up just to be negative and disrespectful.
This episode was good, however not like the first three. Ash is a nice addition though!
This episode gives proof as to why children should not serve on the same ship as their parents.
0:18-0:19 Oof.
I had an issue with this episode: Captain Durango of the Merced is not like any other Tellarite we've seen before in temperament (sure, that's not necessarily a bad thing, as pretty much all Tellarites have had in-your-face-belligerence as their racial Hat, and showing that not all members of a species/culture can be pigeonholed by the stereotypes is a very Star Trek thing to try, even while they blatantly feed the stereotypes of other races). If anything, it seems almost as though he was originally written as a Romulan or Vulcan- both do that quiet seethe and petty one-upmanship.
And of course, if he was a Tellarite, he wouldn't be insulted by the disrespect Mariner showed (well, not directly. He might see it as an attempt to suck up to a senior officer though), as Tellarites culturally applaud arguments, insults, and blunt honesty.
Couldnt the Orion girl just use her pheromones to get everyone to like her
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The new Ducktales has a small overarching story, but also single stand alone episodes. It can be done.
They made it canon, the holodeck is most definitely used for sex. It takes Barcley's trips into the holodeck that bit more disgusting, especially since the women were all over him.
People need to learn how to hardwire their machines when doing video calls, especially if you’re doing them for a show... it’s extremely distracting when the quality dips or your audio cuts.
Really.
Tendi is misunderstood by some fans because they forget she’s an Orion, and their race are often used as slaves and the females are pheromonally seductive to multiple species and often used for pleasure. It’s ironic because she’s an Orion whom very few people show interest, appears to be monogamous, and is enamored with a man that has Vulcan cybernetics with possible mental side-effects that are seemingly Vulcan and Android.
aye what ..? funy ... have we watched the same thing ...??? .
Ash barely knows Star Trek. Someone like her enjoying Lower Decks is a great thing.
And I have to ask, does Ash get a share of that dump truck of CBS money this week, Adam?
It wasn't a funny episode but it's still good bc it wasn't trying to be and I'm okay with that lol
20 minutes to review a 25 minute episode? Are you kidding?
Merced. Pronouced "Mer-SED"
I've said the show is Star Trek: Rick & Morty, and Ash compared it to explicitly!
I feel vindicated.