Church attendance is down BECAUSE Bible sales are up. A church that is not known for their work outside the walls has no business being filled inside the walls. If you want to know what church to attend, ask the homeless.
To truly show how cyclical things are, when I was in high school and the honors English crowd got into Doctor Who. The doctor was wearing a bowtie which led to quite a bold fashion statement amongst people in the school.
You all seem to hear God’s voice in the book of Job as reproachful. I’ve always heard it as reassuring. God takes him on an incredible tour of creation, showing him all kinds of things that are going on without Job’s knowledge or understanding, let alone his management. Eventually, Job sees that his relationship with God is not one in which he has to figure everything out and do it right so that he can curry favour with God; but God is the one who cares for everything and is someone in whom he can trust.
I agree with you on this. John Ortberg had a great little meditation on this a few weeks back on Become New. My first inclination with God's speeches is to read it with an angry tone and Job cowering, but I think Job's response and later actions make way more sense if you read it as him having a personal encounter with God and coming to a place of deeper trust in God and His goodness.
It's a good point, and it could be reassuring as well, but Job does respond as if it was meant as a reproach, so that is a more natural reading of it. Job 42: 3 'You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know. 4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.’ 5 My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you. 6 Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.”'
@@macdri The word ‘despise’ here could also be translated ‘reject’ - could Job be rejecting his previous arguments and complaints? Even if Job felt embarrassed about his wrong understanding of God, we could still see God as not reproachful of Job but as teaching Job couldn’t we? I find it interesting that God commented on the 3 friends as having not spoken the thing which is right, and in need of Job to pray for them, even though Job also saw things incorrectly. Could that be because his three friends thought they had all the answers, but Job was looking for answers?
@@thelmaallen9424 Not sure how saying he "rejects himself and repents" changes the read, though. Agreed that he was looking for answers more than the others, who went from supportive friends to toxic, but either way, Job wouldn't have said that he needed to repent if he didn't believe that he had done wrong.
It was also a motion picture…that played in movie theaters. We all went after youth group and munched popcorn while we learned about the end of the world!
I'm in the last few chapters of The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism as I'm watching this--as a Lutheran-turned-Anglican amillennialist, I enjoyed this episode!
One thought about going to church. I'm all for going to church. I believe not only should you attend a church, you should have fellowship/community/serve together/etc. I grew up with the mindset of "you must attend church" and I mostly agree with it. That being said, I have churches near me, in my major city in Canada, that fit my theological viewpoints. A friend of mine lives in the southern US, and she literally cannot find a church that is a) egalitarian and allows her to feel the full imago dei she has as a woman and b) politically open. Her pastor wore a MAGA hat on the Sunday before the election. She can't find a church even open to the idea that a democrat can love Jesus, or at least one that doesn't mention politics. In her shoes, I feel like I would die in any kind of local church. I don't think it would be good for my mental health. There's a reason less women are going to church, and I think a lack of churches that actually have any kind of non-idolatrous services is a reason why. It's easier to put the blame on individualism/tic-toc culture, but I think there's often more to it.
Church attendance is down BECAUSE Bible sales are up. A church that is not known for their work outside the walls has no business being filled inside the walls.
If you want to know what church to attend, ask the homeless.
i think The Late Great Planet Earth needs to be categorized as fiction!
You mean it isn't? 😊
That's what I was thinking. @@macdri
"There's A New world Coming" too. That's the first Hal Lindsay book I read.
@ I missed that one.
Isn't it? 🤔🤔🤔
To truly show how cyclical things are, when I was in high school and the honors English crowd got into Doctor Who. The doctor was wearing a bowtie which led to quite a bold fashion statement amongst people in the school.
Just started, but as a fellow nerd and a lady who enjoys fashion, I’d have fun styling the lovely Kaitlyn. On the lookout for pink sweaters now! 😂
I actually helped take care of Hal Lindsey's Kids at CBA ( Christian Booksellers Association) in 1974 Minneapolis Mn
You all seem to hear God’s voice in the book of Job as reproachful. I’ve always heard it as reassuring. God takes him on an incredible tour of creation, showing him all kinds of things that are going on without Job’s knowledge or understanding, let alone his management. Eventually, Job sees that his relationship with God is not one in which he has to figure everything out and do it right so that he can curry favour with God; but God is the one who cares for everything and is someone in whom he can trust.
I agree with you on this. John Ortberg had a great little meditation on this a few weeks back on Become New. My first inclination with God's speeches is to read it with an angry tone and Job cowering, but I think Job's response and later actions make way more sense if you read it as him having a personal encounter with God and coming to a place of deeper trust in God and His goodness.
Very well put. “Reassuring” is a great word to use.
It's a good point, and it could be reassuring as well, but Job does respond as if it was meant as a reproach, so that is a more natural reading of it.
Job 42: 3 'You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.’
5 My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes.”'
@@macdri The word ‘despise’ here could also be translated ‘reject’ - could Job be rejecting his previous arguments and complaints? Even if Job felt embarrassed about his wrong understanding of God, we could still see God as not reproachful of Job but as teaching Job couldn’t we? I find it interesting that God commented on the 3 friends as having not spoken the thing which is right, and in need of Job to pray for them, even though Job also saw things incorrectly. Could that be because his three friends thought they had all the answers, but Job was looking for answers?
@@thelmaallen9424 Not sure how saying he "rejects himself and repents" changes the read, though. Agreed that he was looking for answers more than the others, who went from supportive friends to toxic, but either way, Job wouldn't have said that he needed to repent if he didn't believe that he had done wrong.
Yes, in my opinion, Kaitlyn won the Thanksgiving meal contest. Sweet potato casserole, and apple pie with ice cream! 😋
Never thought I would hear you talk about Doctor Who or MST3K and it happened in the same episode!
Whovian has entered the chat. The Tom Baker years, the Doctor with the huge scarf, was late 70s to 81, but maybe it came late to the U.S.
But "It's a Fez, I wear a Fez now Fezzes are cool." the 11th Doctor
I still have Hal Lindsay‘s The Late Great Planet Earth book. He will be missed here on earth.
The 4th Doctor is one of my favorites but "Fezes are cool" 🤣
Phil may wish he still had that pea coat. My son is active duty Navy and they have discontinued the pea coat. The iconoc coat may become valuable?
Grace and Peace to everyone. I'm a pretribulational, premillennial dispensationalist, but I'm open to hearing opposing views.
It was also a motion picture…that played in movie theaters. We all went after youth group and munched popcorn while we learned about the end of the world!
I want that hat!
31:44 totally agree here.
Scientists think salmon hats might be a sign that they have plenty of food, so now they can play with their food
Aw Harold and Maude ♥️
I saw rather magical things when I was in chemistry and biochemistry labs. Sadly, many people don't have that kind of imagination.
The 4th Doctor was really puddleglum!
Deep cut.
No dead seafood but we put dead birds on hats
Don't we need to know Kaitlin's size in order to send her a sweater?
I'm in the last few chapters of The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism as I'm watching this--as a Lutheran-turned-Anglican amillennialist, I enjoyed this episode!
One thought about going to church. I'm all for going to church. I believe not only should you attend a church, you should have fellowship/community/serve together/etc. I grew up with the mindset of "you must attend church" and I mostly agree with it.
That being said, I have churches near me, in my major city in Canada, that fit my theological viewpoints. A friend of mine lives in the southern US, and she literally cannot find a church that is a) egalitarian and allows her to feel the full imago dei she has as a woman and b) politically open. Her pastor wore a MAGA hat on the Sunday before the election. She can't find a church even open to the idea that a democrat can love Jesus, or at least one that doesn't mention politics. In her shoes, I feel like I would die in any kind of local church. I don't think it would be good for my mental health.
There's a reason less women are going to church, and I think a lack of churches that actually have any kind of non-idolatrous services is a reason why. It's easier to put the blame on individualism/tic-toc culture, but I think there's often more to it.
Someone send a (non-gendered) Glinda dress. Skye can wear it first
...back when diapers had pins..