Christspiracy: Correcting 2,000 Years of Censorship on Animal Ethics | The Proof Podcast EP# 308
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- How would Jesus kill an animal? Join me in Episode #308 as I sit down with filmmakers Kip Andersen and Kameron Waters to discuss their positions on how religion and veganism intersect. This is an intriguing conversation that reflects on what it means to question the status quo.
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In their new documentary Christspiracy, Kip and Kameron pose the question: is there a spiritual way to kill an animal? In this episode, they argue what they believe to be the accurate interpretation of what the Bible says about animal liberation, taking us on a journey of what the concept of dominion truly means. We discuss a 2000-year-old cover-up, whether eating meat as a Christian is hypocritical, the truth about regenerative agriculture, and much more.
Specifically, we cover:
00:00 - Intro
06:06 - Unveiling the Truth Behind Religious Misinterpretations
13:46 - Exploring the Daniel Fast: A Christian's Journey to Plant-Based Eating
19:25 - Connecting the Dots: The Nazarenes, Mistranslations, and Jesus' Controversial Temple Actions
25:48 - The Mistranslation of Dominion and Its Impact on Western World Beliefs
31:04 - Rethinking Christianity's Relationship with Animal Consumption
45:18 - Exploring the Intersection of Spirituality, Ethics, and Filmmaking: A Journey of Discovery
51:34 - How the Animal Agriculture Industry Influences Religious Views on Animal Consumption
1:01:26 - Is It Possible to be Spiritual and Consume Animal Products?
1:05:39 - Regenerative Farming: A Closer Look at Animal Welfare and Ethics
1:13:11 - Examining the Contradictions in Joel Salatin's Ethical Farming Practices
1:26:38 - How Different Religions Approach the Consumption and Killing of Animals
1:34:30 - Making "Christspiracy": How to Create an Engaging Film About Killing 70 Billion Animals
1:40:15 - Outro
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- Website: www.christspiracy.com/.
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Wow, as a Christian, I’m so excited to see this film. Thanks Simon for having them on and having these conversations!
You can't be a Christian until you can answer this question. How did King Saul die? Which of the 4 verses is the real one?
1SA 31:4-6 Saul killed himself by falling on his sword.
2SA 1:2-10 Saul, at his own request, was slain by an Amalekite.
2SA 21:12 Saul was killed by the Philistines on Gilboa.
1CH 10:13-14 Saul was slain by God.
Remember God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corin 14:33
1 Peter 3:15 says always give an answer.
1 Thess 5:21 says prove all things.
Good luck I don’t think they fully thought this through. They might be good at the documentaries, but not releasing them.
This film was incredible. You will enjoy it.
I am Eastern Orthodox. My whole Church is vegan most of the year because it is tradition from the prophets. I am vegan/vegetarian because I am Christian. Our monks and nuns are usually 100 percent vegan/vegetarian. I feel that being vegan/vegetarian is a reflection of Christ's heart. More vegan than vegetarian because of our factory farming atrocities.
Where is that church if I may ask
@@doddsalfa any Eastern Orthodox Church. Most any Eastern Orthodox monastery. You can Google a "list of Eastern Orthodox Church" and it tells you where they are by state.
This is the reasoning put better than I can put it...th-cam.com/video/Rx-uVSz_1UM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OF_uc0KNvHjGKuiz
Wow, really glad Simon to see that you got Kip and Cam on your show to talk about Christspiracy and the ethical aspect of eating animals!
Have high respect for you Simon.. addressing this area just bumped you up the respect even more. Thank you! ❤
Great interview. Great questioning.
Just watched Piers Morgan interview Kip and Cam - talk about pushback, and a biased car crash! I'm not religious, but the question, "What would Jesus do?", is synonymous with asking what the most compassionate person that ever lived, do? The key word is 'compassion'. It denotes empathy and kindness. Vegan for the animals, the planet and for health.❤
Fascinating! Really glad to see you host them. 🙏
Glad you found it interesting Chris
I will recomend everyone to watch this documentary once it comes out online. Its great
Where can we see it. No one has an answer.
Loved the question “if someone’s listening and thinking why does it matter what someone said thousands of years ago? Why are we fighting over interpretations of what people said..it’s a different time, we’ve evolved..”
Great conversation! Love to see you asking questions from a scientific, logical pov as opposed to the usual spiritual debates.
Christspiracy was a phenomenal documentary, so powerful. The dedication and research Kip and Kam have put into this is incredible, it will change the world 🙏
It matters because Christianity is a global force.
Even if Christ had advocated for killing animals and eating them (which he didn't), I would hope that by now we've all "evolved" to a place where we can examine our own hearts and realize that we don't need to kill other beings and cause unnecessary suffering in this world in order to thrive.
I am patiently waiting to see this new film.
This movie is a must watch!
@@OzoTenzing💯True💯Agree
I saw it in a movie theater and it was so thought provoking. I’ve never been to a movie where people (strangers) stayed after the credits to talk to each about what they had just seen. It was incredible. Sadly, it was only at the theater for a day. This documentary needs more traction. Maybe your podcast will help.
I saw this film and I thought it was epic. The importance of this film cannot be overstated. I have always been very disturbed at how so many people, who consider themselves religious, godly, or bound for heaven, are able to, so easily, justify the eating of animals. Some say "god gave us animals to use at our discretion" and similar-type comments. Many consider the issue absolutely unimportant or frivolous. When I first heard Kameron Waters say: "Is there a spiritual way to kill an animal" and "How would Jesus kill an animal?", I thought it was earth-shattering! I think if we were talking about one (1) animal and the 24/7 suffering that would be extremely important but, when we are talking about billions and billions of animals and the horrors of hell that they go through...well, this speaks for itself. I think this film is the most important one I've ever seen in my life (I'm a senior citizen) and I am not exaggerating one bit.
I’m with you. Completely agree.
Eating meat is not wrong.
@@asdf1991asdf Really? Do you think animals should suffer in slaughterhouses like they do?
After the deciples caught a magnitude of fish and came up on the shore, Jesus was cooking fish on the coals ….did he cook them alive or kill them
? :) after the flood God gave clear instructions that man was allowed to eat meat (animals) never once in the whole rest of scripture does it say anything contrary to this, all things in this earth are temporal in the end times there will be masses of deaths in both animal kingdom and humans you only have to read revelation (the former things passed away) all things new , God wants us to win souls for His kingdom not get caught up trying to save things on this temporal world that have no eternal soul,
Certain monks and nuns (in Catholicism) don’t eat meat.
Thanks, Simon. For me as a Christian it’s always been a contradiction to slaughter innocent beings. The only excuse ever could be if you absolutely had to in order to survive.
Yes there have always been a "veganist" vein in the Christian tradition. Some Bahtawi in the Ethiopian Orthodox faith are "vegans".
What are your thoughts on the animal sacrifices required in the Old Testament as required by that God for the covering of sin, which ultimately foreshadowed Jesus the ultimate sacrificial lamb? I haven't seen this full video yet so not sure if they cover that.
Oh wow this sounds so interesting. As someone who grew up in the south as a Christian and who is now a vegan this sounds absolutely fascinating. I can’t wait to watch it. Thanks for another awesome interview Simon.
Simon, thank you for interviewing my two favorite people and discussing Christspiracy !!
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Thanks so much for having them on. I haven't see the film yet but am looking forward to it. Kudos to those christians and others willing to look at things with an open mind and not immediately dismissing the information because you are afraid you might need to reevaluate your ideas/ practices.
Jesus would not kill or eat an animal for Jesus followed God from the beginning. As a Theologian and Vegan minister for 14 years, I can tell you that a plant-based diet is the Godliest diet a human being can eat, for meat is manmade, Meat is not a creation of God, only plants are created by God. There is no ethical or spiritual way to kill or eat animals. Galatians 4:4, “When the fullness of time had come, God sent forth God’s son Jesus Christ, born under the law of God.” The law and works of God is Genesis 1:29, “Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good.”
John 10:37. Jesus told the people, “Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father, and then, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Matthew 5:17, Jesus told us, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Laws of God for I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from God’ Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore, if anyone who sets aside even one of the least of God’s commands and teaches other commands contrary to God’s sound doctrines and requirements, they will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches God’s commands from the beginning will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
John 5:19, Jesus said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I can do nothing by myself, for what I see God do; I do, for whatever God does, I also do the same, in a like manner.”
This movie blew my mind. Can't wait to purchase it for myself. Such compelling information. I've appreciated the climate and health and animal cruelty angle of not eating meat (WFPB). But this ethical and spiritual aspect has been the most profound for me. I need to watch this many more times. Thank you Kip, Kameron & Simon.
Great interview. Can wait to spread the movie with the world when it’s available again.
🙏🏻🙏🏻 thank you for having them on. I watched Christspiracy. Very powerful and impactful.
I wish this interview would never end😥! Three of my favourite people on earth in the same room🌟🌟🌟. Thank you Simon for having them.
So much more interesting and entertaining than the Piers Morgan "interview" 💚🥦💪⚖️
You get my like now, but I will watch the video later. FTA✌️
1:01:50 wow Kip, powerful words ❤
Extremely interesting, the episode I didn’t know I needed, thanks Simon for being so open minded and curious, what a well rounded podcast you’ve brought to the world, keep em comin!
I haven’t seen the movie yet, but looking forward to it!
I paused this video at 1:14 to watch the George VS Alan debate. Wow. Powerful nonsense from Alan! Lol. Thank you for your work, Simon, Kip, Kam. Raised Christian, went vegan 8yr ago after some documentaries, currently thriving.
This is a brilliant documentary and I urge everyone to watch it. It is a real eyeopener for people from all religious and non-religious backgrounds. This film is not about disproving religion, it is about the real truth of religious teachings.
When will this be available to stream online?
Can someone give me a link to the Documentary ?? I've been searching since last month and cant find any link to the Christspiracy Documentary. Help.!!!
Thankyou Simon for sharing this interview, can't wait to see the film and how Kip and Kameron work through such a topic.
I need to see this
Loved this interview!! I kept say "Yes! Yes!" while hearing Kip's summaries. You had a lot of the same questions I had after viewing the film. I need to watch it a few more times. If anything this film makes you a Christian. I hope Christians who are hating on this film, see it before forming their opinions.
I have a problem. I just can't see how there could be a moral/ethical way to kill animals humans have farmed. Where is the ethical line between a farmer who treats animals well and yet still kills them, or, a mass production ranch/station/farm where the workers/owners have some distance from the cattle/pigs/sheep/chickens because they have many hundreds of animals from which they can maintain emotional distance? As a lifelong non believer and a vegetarian, now WFPB/vegan, since the age of 12 when I saw cattle herded together waiting to be slaughtered (on a Sunday drive my father answered my question as to why they were there), I just cannot see how beliefs of our species has any meaning at all for other species. We humans have so much advantage over every other species on the planet with the size of our brains, language, our opposable digits, and what palaeoanthropologists describe as grips, such as the power grip and the precision grip, plus our social organisation. The two grips allow for throwing, cutting and clubbing. Evolution of our hands, compared to chimpanzees for example, has allowed our hands free to care for our needy offspring, plant, harvest, and, yes, kill, because our predecessors the hominids became bipedal. The spiritual dimension just does not match our physical ability to dominate everything on the planet. We don't deserve the natural world which has evolved with us imo
As far as incentive from government, here is another fact that’s surprising people don’t know! Last year alone 680.000 dogs were euthanized in the US, what I don’t understand is how isn’t there a campaign to encourage people to adopt dogs instead of buying dogs that were bread in puppy mills!?
there isn't a campaign? I remember the phrase "adopt, don't shop" being used quite often to encourage people to adopt dogs
I am appauled this is not available for download!
If yoy the want to share this message, why would you not release it online?!!
When will the movie be available on DVD or online streaming? It was in the theatres for just one evening in Austria :(
Great documentary, a must see. Thanks for this!
Thank you Kim and Kam. Am forwarding it to my pastors :)
Beautiful interview🦉
I'm in San Diego, CA. The Christpiracy websites shows no theaters playing this documentary. Where can I find it online?. I'd love to view this movie. Thanks!
Powerful conversation. ❤
Thank you for examining this closely in abgreat way -- am very compelled to watch this movie. Rotten tomatoes 🍅 97%, the Waters' and Andersen's other film work, and this interview speak for themselves to anyone bold enough to watch them, and for me, raise some massively important questions, ones I can't help but think may allow me to benefit my children in the future, like clear-cased health, economic, & climate blights that don't have several complex resolutions, but maybe just one simple one.
Each previous film is intuitively tied together (Cowspiracy, What the Health?!, & Seaspiracy) and which lead to this one. Tying excellent research & science from major worldwide organizations makes for an almost tangible documentary experience, that I am sure will also be thoroughly delivered in this film.
That all being said, I have no religious connections (raised Catholic) and am just approaching this with an open mind, and appreciate the objective, relatable and lightweight questioning here 🙏
I had a very Christian friend I admired her how she was so into her religion, when I told her I was vegan she went out of her way to show me scripture of Jesus eating animals.
She must have thought you were coming for her lol.
she feels guilt and doesn't want to face it so she tries to make herself feel better by finding scriptures to justify her actions
Maybe this film will help me comeback to religion, I left it behind as I became vegan because I could not understand a cruel God. Will definitly be standing by.
Thank you!🙏 I can’t wait to watch it❤
When can I watch the film? I bought a starter kit and haven't seen it.
Hello ,
As an Atheist and Vegan , would love it if Christianity proved me wrong and went Vegan …❤️❤️
Take care
WHEN WILL THE MOVIE BE ONLINE? I WILL PAY TO SEE IT! PLEEEEASE! :)
Now this is something I can relate to Jesus about, whether I believe he was God or not (I don’t). Makes me see him in a whole different light. If his story ends up making people vegan, call me a believer!
It’s a tremendous movie that everyone should watch 🙏❤️
No where to see the movie after the premier
Can't wait for the digital release of this film
I have to watch this film
A Massive transformative concept. I am so elated about this documentary let’s TALK ABOUT WWJD? I am so grateful that conversation is happening.
I have also gone down the rabbit hole of King James being an infant King and homosexual. The oppression of the female gender is finally coming to an end. The truth will set us all free. Having insight into the INTENTION behind The Bible grants a different perspective to me. King James and his scholars were not intending to empower us as Jesus was demonstrating. They wanted to oppress and control us. I am so happy that all the lies are being exposed, on so many subjects. 🛸🌈🐄🐖🐓🦃 Thank you 🙏🏽
Brilliant!!!!!
Great interview! Had to laugh at "soilspiracy".
This guy always with the amazing backgrounds - his lifestyle must be really sth!
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Osho Rajneesh's most hard hitting criticism that Christianity couldn't be a dharma because it had no compassion for animals... Well, it seems Jesus died defending animals. This changes many things.
Great
I have recently gone vegan so this is very interesting to me. One problem I am having is what to feed my dogs. It is not healthy for them to be vegan. I am thinking feeding them eggs might be a partial option as I do have laying hens and now I am not eating eggs.
I am glad you made the switch. Short answer give it what the species needs to thrive, which is not vegan. Or you can buy pet food which is vegan but it is formulated in such a way that it gives your dog all the nutrition it needs. Pick one solution, stick to it, and give all the love you can to your dog. I wouldn't over think.
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Where can we see the documentary?
That said now we need to get rid of buying and selling and money. Which is mama way.
Yo, how about you release the movie online already, 😂
Maybe I need to watch the actual film for clarification here, but from the interview, I'm confused by an apparent conflation between animals used for sacrifice and animals used for food. To my knowledge, the animals being sold in the temple where Jesus overturned the tables were being sold to be used as sacrifices. It was a requirement for Jews visiting the temple to offer up a sacrifice, and as many traveled long distances, they had no way to transport their own sacrificed (dead) animal. People were not to EAT their sacrifices, nor were they to eat the sacrifices offered up to idols. That's the entire point of a sacrifice -- to give it up, to deny yourself of it.
There is so much money and power behind animal ag. and big dairy it will take years and many more documentaries before people get it
But in the future there will be no more exploitation and slaughter of artificially bred farmed animals who suffer horrendous short and tortured lives. No matter the when of the future as long as its the definite. I have been a veggie since 50 and vegan since 57 yrs old and at nearly 69 feel fitter and healthier now than i ever was before. I have never been a believer in any gods but i do believe in the story of Jesus and that he was a good and kind person who had morals and principles. Kindness is what we should all believe in and live by. Do unto others as you would like others to do unto you. When we know better and the truth we can then live by it.
Jesus wouldn’t kill an animal that’s clear
He told people to steal a donkey.
@@beepbeepnj2658 to safe him from bad people
Practically speaking, I think many of the problems with religious practice and all of our problems on earth can be traced to the overwhelming oppression and exploitation of women. The extreme state of imbalance we are experiencing is a direct result of belittling and ignoring women’s approach to things in general. It’s always a male figure as the supreme one and make rules and male rules and actions….. it has gotten us into a lot of trouble. I’m exhausted by the domination of male voices in every arena.
What would Jesus do? He'd watch Christspiracy !
1 Timothy 4:3 NLT
[3] They will say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth.
Jesus was an Essene, who were vegetarians.
Before saying that you are not religious do you know the meaning of religious?
Cones from Latin : religo.
Put together.
Put together the materialism with spiritualism.
All five principles of nonviolence in Yoga are violated in animal agriculture. Ahimsa/nonharming, Satya/honesty, Asteya/nonstealing, Brahmacharya/sexual nonviolence or ethics, Aparigraha/noncoveting or greedlessness.
Nonviolence is Love.
We have a realization movie that brings light back to Jesus Christ. From darkness comes to light, and now we know again, and as as we know, we shall bring back liberty, for from knowledge comes freedom.
From darkness back to light. The omen, our full eclipse of the sun.
From knowledge comes freedom. The omen, the earthquake in NewYork home of the Statue of Liberty.
There is a lot of theory Jesus went to India at some point for a period of time and very influenced by the religious & philosophical beliefs there and most if not all? of India don’t eat meat and some data indicates he lived through the crucifiction and returned to India after.
Where is 'The Proof' for any of this?
Right. So somehow these two guys stumble on truths that have evaded Christian scholars and theologians for 2,000 years and somehow these truths just happen to fit their desire to demonstrate that Jesus was a vegan/vegetarian. No serious interpretation indicates that Jesus was a Nazarene versus from Nazareth. These guys have no background in scriptural interpretation, clearly very limited theological knowledge and want to push a narrative. I appreciate that Simon has no basis to properly critique their point of view and is simply interested in this from a vegan point of view, but if he is going to delve into Christian theology, hermeneutics and Scriptural interpretation, then he really ought to bring in someone who can do so. These guys may believe what they are saying, but they are simply ignorant.
it is not *their* point of view, they're talking to theologians and oxford scholars so it is the point of those theologians and oxford scholars
but it's so easy for you to dismiss the documentary by using ad hominem attack focusing on the lack of background in scriptural interpration of the filmmakers instead of attacking the actual theologians and oxford scholars
@@FruityHachiThey are not talking to orthodox theologians. Having a designation does not make one reputable in theology any more than nutrition science. Just stop. These people are charlatans.
Guys, if you want to talk about Christian views about this, let’s talk. This is cherry picking verses and ignoring dozens of verses saying the exact opposite of what they want. Can anyone find a Christian interview with these guys?
That doesn't work. The truth is beyond the text. The development of the text itself was ad hoc, i.e. the Scriptures were edited and transformed over time to suit developing dogma. We have plenty of evidence for this. What's in our bibles isn't necessarily what should have been.
@@criticaloptimist7961 Let's chat about that. Give me some examples.
@@criticaloptimist7961Not edited but I would say misinterpreted Bible translators because they Hebrew is sometimes difficult to translate to English. Many many Hebrew words don't even have an English equal...Can't even be translated. So the translators put what they thought it meant. Also Hebrew has a lot of idioms that the Israelites used daily and lots of them are in the Bible and the translators didn't know how to translate the idioms so they just left it as is. Like the idiom "gnashing of teeth". Well this is a Hebrew idiom used by the people of that time. The translators didn't translate it but just left it like that. They were not literally gnashing their teeth. And we in the US have idioms to that if said in another country those people would not know what we were talking about. Alone a US citizen would know the meaning. We are regular people reading the Bible can misinterpret it too. It helps to look at the Hebrew meaning of words as you read and also to know the culture of the people of book as well as the Ancient Near East culture. Hope this helps.
@@potterylady44 translators are professionals who know not just individual words in the foreign language but are also aware of idioms and culture of that language, and when there are untranslatable words they deal with them by for example writing notes at the bottom of the page to explain what it means
so when you're pointing out that english translators left the hebrew idiom, means that those translators didn't do their job properly
Yes he would
Yes he did
And there is no question
Wow johnnyyy, you know better than people who spend their lives studying the scripts.. Prove it. How would Jesus kill an animal?
And if I had to guess, I'd say you're going to hell for putting words on His mouth. But I hope God brings light your way.
@@pedeamendoa6522 prove it?
Ok
I have a degree in theology so chances are i know more than you, and way more than those who made this film.
Jesus is god
Therefore
1. Jesus said to eat animals for food in genesis 9
2. Jesus commanded the OT sacrifices (they were not optional for Israel) , as well as what could/could not be eaten.
3. Jesus on earth at the Passover every year of his life. This included lamb,eggs
4. Jesus cooked at ate fish (there is no koine greek word for the made up “fish weed”)
5. Jesus healed people and told them to make sacrifices and show the priests. That would be bulls, lambs, goats , or if you were poor, 2 doves.
6. Jesus created fish for thousands to eat
7. Jesus gave the vision to Peter that all animals (and men) were not unclean. He could go and eat the food at the gentiels house , and preach the gospel to the humans to save them. Which he did.
8. OT prophecy in Isaiah is the the sacrificial system will be reinstated after Jesus returns for the Jews to commemorate their rejection and eventual acceptance of Jesus as messiah.
9. Jesus instructed Paul to write his letter detailing “those religions that forbid marriage and eating meat”
They are satanic
10. Paul also wrote that those that eat meat are strong, while the believers who only eat vegetables are weak in the faith.
Veganism for the believer is a sign of spiritual weakness
So there Punkin
Don’t ever ask a classically trained Bible scholar to prove something from the Bible you know little to nothing about
Cuz I’ll embarrass you
@@pedeamendoa6522 also how would Jesus kill an animal?
The only documented Area the end of John. Jesus caught and broiled fish for his disciples .
So the i it choices
1. He cut off heads and gutted (probably not)
2. He smacked them on the head and then cooked them (most likely this is how it was done)
3. Broiled them alive. (Probably not this one)
Also, people don’t go to hell for putting words in Jesus mouth
Hey go to hell because they reject the gospel that’s saves them.
You need a bible lesson
Why are the guys sitting in the lotus position? Does it have a meaning?
Yea, the meaning is...they like to site that way.
@@tanyasydney2235 Lol 😂
The Father sacrificed the Son; not the romans or the jews first.
The Creator, according to the Bible, is Jesus Christ, and He commanded the sacrificial system pointing to Himself as the High Priest and the Lamb of God.
th-cam.com/video/rlM9apL8W5o/w-d-xo.html
Could we say it is 'Christ's PIRACY'?.
Kip and Cam make it sound as though the Israelites killed animals for sport or for their own selfish reasons. The Law of Moses in the Old Testament prescribed that animals be sacrificed for the atonement of sin. Once Jesus came, that old law, in the words of Jesus, was fulfilled and His death and resurrection have atoned for all human sin.
atonement of sin is a selfish reason
@@FruityHachi you’re entitled to your opinion, but that was God’s law for His people at that time. Woe to him that would stand in judgement of God.
@@doherpa not an opinion but an observation
just because it's god's law doesn't make it not selfish
@@FruityHachi good sir or ma’am, that’s something you would need to take up with God.
@@doherpa no, I have my own mind
Evangelically raised young men “discover” progressive Christianity. I appreciated Simon’s honesty about his own lack of knowledge about the subject matter. Given Simon’s commitment to rigor in his field, I would have hoped that would translate to hosting guests who are experts in theirs. These guests have no expertise in the field of Biblical scholarship. Having them as guests is akin to having the social media fitness influencers Simon abhors on the show. Mildly interesting, wildly misleading.
Why I added a disclaimer at the intro. Still felt the conversation was a good starting point
@@TheProofWithSimonHill Totally appreciate the way you handled it. It just bums me out that lots of folks will accept their argument without appreciating that it is not grounded in Biblical scholarship (they've engaged in eisegesis rather than exegesis). As a vegan, I would love to think Jesus was a vegan, but there's no way to make that assertion based upon the Christian Scriptures. Love the show and appreciate your work.
Well, if he's going to have an expert on Biblical theology then he should also have an Atheist who's an expert on Biblical theology. There's quite a number of them.
So, if God didn't want animals to be eaten why do wild animals eat each other? Also, plant agriculture kills massive amounts of critters and destroys entire ecosystems.
There is no evidence that what is in the bible is from God or is truthful. James 1:27 calls it a religion what you are reading. The dictionary says religion is a set of beliefs. 2 Tim 3:16 says all scripture is inspired by God. But if something is truthful, then why would it have to be inspired? Psalms 137:9 and 2 Kings 6:29 tell you how to eat the right foods.
Meh, the religious aspect was novel and I’d have liked more on that, but it pretty quickly became standard vegan talking points.
I’m mostly plant based, but don’t feel too bad eating bison from a prairie restoration ranch once a month. Feed lots are obviously disgusting.
Everything around animal agriculture becomes a vegan talking point.
That is the point. There are no valid arguments for animal agriculture.
@@lefc3784lol
Sooooo one of the dudes was a Hunter and fisher (which Jesus never condemned) but stopped because of factory farming? Doesn’t seem “fishy” at all. I get quitting the bbq restaurant but you were sourcing your own food from the land with no big ag involved and you stopped? Either it’s about the slaughter houses or it’s absolute animal death in general…..
What a bunch of false information. If you really clearly understood the Bible you would understand that this entire argument is false.
“Hey guys…let’s all cross our legs on the seats” 😬
Agree, so cringe
There we have it folks…at 1:02:00 we see the real intentions. These guys don’t have a problem with slaughter houses they have a problem with death in itself. They fail to understand it’s a part of life. They’re reluctant to see how animals are killed in nature and wether we want to believe it or not we are apart of nature. An animal raised in pasture that eventually gets sent to the slaughter house lives an amazing life because of humans Vs an animal in the wild lives a life of anxiety and constant threat to almost certainly fall to a insanely gruesome death.
I can see you are quite the 'know it all' (you know how animals feel, for instance and, apparently, what the filmmakers real intentions are, hah!). I wonder if you would feel the same way about slaughter and death if you were an animal, but, somehow, I doubt it! Usually, from what I've seen the biggest mouths 'change their tune' when it comes to themselves!
@@jenny0184 Watch a nature documentary please
@@darrylhopcutt2166 I have seen many, what's your point?
@@jenny0184 in what part of my sentence did I say I don’t care or know what animals think……I said death is a part of life and for most “vegans” it’s death they cannot comprehend. They don’t want anything to die which is a wild way to live and think
@@darrylhopcutt2166 Untrue. Death is a part of life for all of us, human and animal. Many of us live good and happy lives and so do some animals.
In general, IMO, many religious-oriented people have bizarre notions about animals. Like you, they "don’t care or know what animals think". And that is fine.
But, you, apparently, don't care if they suffer, how much they suffer and if their lives and deaths are horrendous. That is not fine. They have as much right to happy and pain-free lives as we do. They have the right (maybe not legally, but, IMO, morally) not to be brutalized, terrorized, tortured and tormented by humans. Most animals on this earth live lives of horrendous pain, suffering, misery and then a horrible death. I guess that must be OK with you.
This is so insulting. You're trying to use the Christian faith to push your vegan/vegetarian agenda. Even if Jesus was not a meat eater because of his culture, it does not mean that as Christians we cannot eat meat. If eating meat was prohibited it would have been clearly stated. Jesus was a carpenter, does that mean that all Christians must be one also?
You also mentioned the "last supper," that it consists of unleavened bread and wine, but considering that he asked that a place be prepared for the Passover meal which consists of meat, if he was against eating meat then he would not have called for its participation.
As Christians some eat meat and some don't and that's perfectly fine.
So you haven’t watched the film?
Cry more
He literally says "this is just one perspective, and one documentary, and I strongly encourage you to go away and have conversations with both religious and non-religious people before forming strong views" right at the very very beginning. Not everything has to be offensive...
Your comment is insulting
Totally agree with you. Only Jesus was a carpenter by trade. Some of his disciples were fishermen. These people don't understand the Bible, nor do they study God's word. They would have read Genesis, where God gave us permission to eat animals after the great flood.
What ignorant guys!
There was no sacrifice of animals in temples!
Not at all !
The sacrifice of animals in the temples means totally different things.
Long time ago, human beings were split in two groups.
One group, was with an animal form, and the other one was more physically similar to humans.
The first groups, "sacrifice" their souls( that is the temple) the let the other group going forward.
The temple is the soul.
The animals sacrificed their souls, they didn't became humans, to let us become humans.
This is the sacrifice made in the temple.
Not a physical animals' genocide!
Such a silly episode
Jesus was fine with animals being used for food and sacrifices. This is what happens when people who value animals more than people don't read the Bible. They make documentaries without any real knowledge. After the great flood/deluge, God gave us permission to eat animals. In addition, the best animals were killed and offered as sacrifices to God, and God was pleased by these types of sacrifices at that time. Now, of course, we shouldn't hunt animals for sport. As per Daniel, read the context of why he didn't want to partake of the meat. It wasn't because he didn't want to introduce animals in his diet.🙄
Eat what you want, just abstain from blood.