If they want to post something "religious" in classrooms, post Jesus' words LOVE ONE ANOTHER!!! If they follow that one law, they won't break the other ten.
AMEN! I read somewhere if #Christians want to post something publicly, maybe the #Beatitudes / Sermon on the Mount might bring more folks to #Christ!!!!🙌✝
If we are allowing blatantly unconstitutional religion in schools, I'd be happy with the beattitudes or 1 Cor 13. Those actually reflect Jesus and perpetuate his character much better than the 10 Commandments, which is basically just being used as an icon to wage a cultural war and browbeat non-Christian into submission, neither of which is Christlike.
I said something similar: my students don’t need much about graven images or adultery, but they need “love one another,” the golden rule, “you cannot serve God and money,” and “blessed are the humble, the meek, and the peacemakers.”
I'm with Skye on this argument about the posting of the Ten Commandments in public classrooms. I taught both in Christian schools and public schools. After nearly 30 years, the behavior I saw in each was not all that different. You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink. If Moses coming down from a fiery mountain with two tablets carved by God's own hand did not cause the people to obey, why would anyone suppose that a glossy poster hanging on a classroom wall will cause a change of heart? Seeing Christianity in action is, in actuality, seeing the Beautitudes on display in the way people treat each other. This is more about imposing a religious dogma upon a secular society. Yeah, that always works well.
Honor parents No murder No adultery No stealing No lying No coveting The thing about a list of rules like this is that it doesn't mean much deep down. Most kids won't be murdering, stealing, or committing adultery. Easy to check off those boxes. The God centric ones those are easily followed or to justify the failings. Lying is a trained behavior. Most parents and caregivers give in to manipulation of young children, lie to children to make things easier for themselves, or use punishment instead of correction and call it discipline. These teach kids to lie and that it is beneficial to them. Even coveting is part of US culture. You call it a rule but it's everywhere. Kids are not stupid. Another thing with check box morality is you only learn to check the boxes. The morality does not necessarily become a part of you. Teaching a list or in this case displaying the list just gives you check boxes. It isnt giving the tools to apply the morality and point of the moral lesson in other aspects of life.
John didn't cover how much the current US evangelical movement has damaged the christian church in Australia. I'm often have to explain to people that we are not the same as the US evangelical Christians churches.
Just look at Scott Morrison and the limitless Christian support he was given even after everything that's come out about him. A lot of criticism is very much justified!
It's telling that these politicians focused on the 10 commandments rather than the 8 beatitudes. They're so obsessed with law they've forgotten that law comes from grace.
@@concernedkermit8190hmm. The Decalogue has some issues. As Christ summarizes, the important thing is what we do (love God and neighbor), not what we don’t do, which should follow from that love. The ten are prone to Pharisee problems of tithing mint and neglecting justice, and it’s not a great teaching tool.
Good afternoon from the beautiful SF Bay Area. I just LOVE the conversation with John Dickson. As a person who grew up in an Evangelical clan, daughter and granddaughter of ministers, and who left it because of its abandonment of Jesus' teachings, it is wonderful to hear such a cogent and non-American understanding of the teachings. Although I have some different conclusions, we are generally in agreement. Thanks for this, Skye. PS. As far as the 10 Commandments go, all they need is the Golden Rule, do for others as you would have done for you. This is at the heart of all major religions and requires nothing more. Once again the Radical Christian Right gets it wrong.
So good to see "our" John Dickson on the HP. I've been waiting for this. His thinking and understanding is so helpful. Good to hear his reflections about the state in Australia.
I love how Phil and Skye are committed to torturing Kaitlyn with increasingly more absurd statements during NOTB segments. Resistance is futile, Kaitlyn!
I am 💯 with Skye on this. I think that religion has a place in public schools, but in limited context and not by placing posters of the Ten Commandments or biblical scripture on school walls. Religion should be discussed when it is appropriate to the lesson. For instance, you cannot teach Western Civilization without discussing Christianity (as well as Islam and Judaism). Christianity comes into play when studying American history (e.g., Colonial America, Prohibition, black churches and Civil Rights movement) and Western jurisprudence. When I was in the 8th grade, we read “The Merchant of Venice” in our English class, and we talked about Judaism and antisemitism. And when we read “Othello,” we talked about the titular character’s Muslim roots and how Elizabeth I had a Moorish ambassador. In-depth discussions of scripture and biblical teachings should be limited to classes that are dedicated to that subject matter. I think that it would be great if schools offer (but not require) world religion classes so that students can learn about religions observed all over the world, as well as about historical deities, such as Greek and Roman gods and their influence in art, literature, language, and science.
My high-school had a voluntary class that I throughly enjoyed that taught ancient western cultures and religions. They called it Humanities Class. We started in Mesopotamia and ended at the middle ages of Europe. It covered soooo much.❤😊
@@andrewwhittaker2908 Interesting. I think my high school was a bit of an outlier because we were required to take 2 full years of European history, which was essentially a Western Civilization class that started with Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent, Sumerians, Mycenaeans, Minoans, etc. before moving on to the Greeks and then Romans, etc. Unfortunately, my high school didn’t offer a broader world history class, but I think that is why we were required to read The Economist every week, with weekly quizzes counting toward our final grade. In retrospect, I wish they had offered a world religions or comparative religions class (although I did learn Greek and Roman mythology in Latin classes).
@@hestergnu6627 those are exactly the same civilizations we learned in Humanities Class. I think it did count for one of our credits but I can't remember which one.
The first thing kids need to be taught in school is "YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME" if you got a problem with that - find a different country. This country is formed by directly by the mighty hand of the MOST HIGH. If you have an issue with the Christian God - this ain't you're country. Keep it movin!!
I get that a certain kind of Christian doesn’t feel honored & respected in public schools. But as a public school teacher, at least some of the time they’re responding to a loss of being the *main * recipients of honor & respect. Seeking to protect LGBT kids from bullying, or children of other religions from feeling unwelcome is a loss of privilege for those Christians, and they perceive it as an injustice.
if you post the commandments without context, it's only going to highlight how hopelessly insufficient they are as a foundation of a system of government
24:07 Just a quick side tangent; AI doesn't "learn", it compiles data sets and mimics output using statistical probabilities. It is a small distinction, but I feel it's an important one.
Im very convinced that *no child would be traumatized by being told what adultry means, nor would their innocence be scarred. It's only in the way an adult (or older child) conveys the answer that a child can be traumatized, &/or left with more questions than answers- bc that's when they fill in the blanks with their imagination. *UNLESS the child's parents /close loved one's are dealing with adultry. In that case- the scarring is already there. Even if they don't know adultry is what's going on or have a name & definition, they suffer the destructive consequences.
As a long time listener of the Holy Post and someone who loves this podcast and channel., I wanted to weigh in on the sexual abuse/ integrity issues from well-known pastors. I grew up as a missionary kid within the southern Baptist church. I experienced sexual abuse within that church system and reading about so many church leaders falling because of sexual sin or sexual abuse is very disheartening and personally really painful as well. As to the question of why this is happening, I have really come to see I over the years a culture within churches of either extended grace and forgiveness at any cost no matter what the sin or on the other spectrum severe legalism and harshness ove things which are not truly a sin or which are called a sin and people being spiritually/ emotionally abused in these churches. From what I have seen in these types of churches, is that there are no healthy boundaries or a willingness to look at the truth within themselves whether it’s sin or emotional unhealthiness. There also are teachings about forgiveness where there the concept of harm and damage done to the victim is not emphasized but the need to forgive and sweep things under the rug. I have seen this in large mega churches and small churches this type of culture to be very common. It is very rare for a church sermon to be focused on abuse, pride, or other uncomfortable topics. Statistically 1 in 3 women and girls are sexually abused and about 1 in 4 for boys. The idea that there are wolves among us in the church is scary and not something that the church at large seems comfortable talking about, Whatever we see in the world will be in the church . Many in the church assume that the church is a safe place, but that shouldn’t be assumed, especially when these issues are thought of as random and not an issue or problem within the church.
When talking about abusive preachers. How does this play out not just in mega churches but down to the smallest and does the leaders in power and their work and responsibility to the community affect things?
I wish someone had brought this up but the text required by the Louisiana law is not the Ten Commandments taught by any religious tradition. The text is from a promo for the Cecile B deMille film "the Ten Commandments". There is a great Axios article on the providence of the text. Its like the state quotes a Marvel film as scripture. The law blasphemes the G*d of Abraham.
That is so interesting. I'll have to look into that further. I saw an interview with one of the Louisiana Legislators and she implied that the verbiage was chosen as it was from the oldest version of the English Bible.
Can you tell me where you read this? I was looking around on Axios and found a link to The Hill, discussing this translation vs translations generally used by Jews or Catholics.
@@lisad1623 It's peculiar to write a document in King James English for a vast public who aren't familiar with it and don't speak that way. It would make more sense if they were insisting on a translation based on the oldest known texts instead.
Caitlyn sounds like she is okay with giving the power to the state to tell others people’s children what religious beliefs are valid, and if your family is not religious or not Christian you are a second class citizen.
This may be the first episode for which I disagree with Caitlyn. This bill had nothing to do with history, and was just about lowering the separation of church and state. 100% with Skye on this one.
She said it is good to explain the influence of religion on the history of the laws of our countries. She clearly said she doesn't think the display of the commandments should be mandatory.
Hello and Thank you Holy Post. ⏪ I too, agee with Sky regarding the incompetence of Christian Ministry. Ego is not being addressed along side with the Fraternity of organized religion. When only afew are considered as a posture for maintaining leadership, everyone else's feedback is often ignored or completely censored. Thus allowing all manners of unthical behavior. Yes, Ms. Caitlin, Respectfully I hope the spelling prefix is correct? I Agree with her assessment! American ideology and values have No business being asserted into the bible! Again, Thank you Holy Post all the best. Jason B. Lincoln, N.E.🌱
What I think is happening with all these Megachurch pastors is they are wanted for their knowledge and their skill in teaching and entertaining an audience. What we should be looked for is someone who is pastoral, who cares for his flock, and models Christ like behavior and character. Someone Who the church can know personally and see how they live their day to day life. What we have now is a celebrity who gets to leave and hide away and do whatever he wants behind the scenes as long as he shows up Sunday morning with a wonderful message to inspire you for your week ahead. That has to go. Character has to be more important.
I wish they'd spent a bit more time grappling with the implications of a law requiring the posting of a passage from the Qur'an. It often seems that a great many American Christians _simply have no conception_ of the alienation a citizen might feel when their government visibly participates in a religion that is not their own. As best I can tell, there are only two ways to break through this: propose something equivalent but with Islam, or with Satanism. They also could have spent a bit more time interrogating why this crucial display of Western legal tradition belongs in every music, math, home ec, woodshop, and foreign language classroom. Finally, I would love to hear *exactly how the Ten Commandments influenced the American experiment.* Everyone says it but nobody ever shows their work. And, I'll be honest, I just don't see it. The Constitution makes no mention of honoring thy father and thy mother. The Declaration of Independence never calls out King George for failing to remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Walking around Washington, DC, it does not seem the Founding Fathers were particularly adamant about not making for ourselves any graven images. Nowhere in the US Code, nor even in common law, can I find any prohibition on coveting my neighbor's wife, let alone his ox. And, conversely, nowhere in the Ten Commandments do I read about the three branches of government. In the various censuses in ancient Israel, nobody was ever tallied as ⅗ of a person. There's not even a mention of whether or not we have a right to keep and bear arms, let alone whether or not we should be coerced to quarter troops in our homes. The God of Moses, if anything, seemed to want to emphasize that Jews and goyim _were not_ created equal or endowed with certain unalienable rights. The Ten Commandments touches upon life, but neither liberty nor the pursuit of happiness. So, like, really? Western law is based on the Ten Commandments? Or even on Mosaic law as whole? Show me where.
Technically it’s about establishing a state religion. I am definitely an antireestablishmentarianist. The Church of England is and was a disaster that we rejected in 1776 and we don’t need our own version of that nonsense.
Why are there so many failings in the leadership of the church? It turns out that when you treat the church like a business, you attract people that run things like a business: transactionally. That is the opposite of the character that is needed to be an effective and moral ministry leader. The more business-like the mindset that the organization has, the more prone to corruption the leadership will be. As with anything else in life, there are exceptions. This isn't always the case, especially in smaller congregations. Of course, it's likely that those congregations are smaller because they're not treating church like a business in the first place. The same thing applies to political leadership as well. When you treat running the government as a business, you're going to face the same trap. Neither the church nor the state should be run like a business. Both should have goals that are antithetical to that of running one.
In 2016 when my mom decided she couldnt vote for Hillary or Drumpf she told me she voted for Tony Evans and how good he was. I warned her 😂 Luckily we're in Illinois and her vote doesnt matter. Since then ive gotten her out of voting solely on anti abortion and gay marriage to being more progressive. It was a lot of tough and blunt discussion, but it worked. They should let me pick 10 biblical laws to post up in classrooms. There would be some real tough conversations at home. Sorry about the C issue Phil. Rush in Chicago is a good C facility.
Thank you for your honest feedback / insight on real-life horrific events (and even silly whales) and processing along with the rest of us. I appreciate all of your insight!
I would limit this to teaching American history with the understanding that Protestantism is strongly influential in forming American culture. This has both good and unfortunate points.
I firmly believe that the current Christian fundamentalist/ nationalist movement will accelerate the movement toward secularism, socialism, and humanism, especially with its link to capitalism.
Hey, can you not do better help sponsorships? There’s no proof their quality control got better from their original scandal. So please double check it has.
There’s a discussion of this from Cinema Therapy (which is a show hosted by a licensed therapist so at least somewhat knowledgeable) and they have a Reddit post (today) where they discuss their own relationship with BH and why they’re comfortable using them as a partner.
Ministry is first and foremost about serving others. With that being said, when a minister has shown himself or herself to be unable to minister he or she should step down. However given the culture of modern ministry where the image is more important than the essence e.g., the way the bottle is shaped is more important than what the contents are, ministries have a tendency to value protecting the image at all cost, even if that cost means doing things that are directly opposed to the ministry, i.e., being truthful at all times, being transparent, and such. Things that are true never need protection, but they do need to be promoted. In contrast, a lie always needs to be protected and should never be promoted. There's a tendency to believe that our faith is so important that it's OK to take actions against our faith!, in order to ensure that the faith continues. In some ways the current culture is like the rogue law enforcer who breaks the law in order to achieve justice and while that concept makes for some really great television it doesn't work well in ministry. The display of the Ten Commandments is OK, but there's an ulterior motive for wanting to display the Ten Commandments in public schools. ( I assume that private schools don't often display the Ten Commandments but I don't know that certainly) It's the same reason that most monuments to the Confederacy were created well after the end of the Civil War, the same reason that is given for wanting to ban certain books because they contain violence and sex ( though there's at least one book with A LOT of sex and violence that no seems to want to ban...I'm sorry but the name of that best selling Book escapes me at the moment...I wish that people would just call a spade a spade and say in very direct terms that their version of America is White and Christian , which of course is a real problem for Americans who aren't White or Christian.
Posting the 10 commandments is an interesting choice for Christians since when the rich young man bragged to Jesus about keeping them, Jesus reminded him of the laws regarding the poor.
The Ten Commandments need to be posted everywhere in Louisiana so the crime rate will start dropping immediately. Posting just in schools doesn’t affect other Louisianans. By everywhere I mean inside all buildings (homes, stores, shops, hospitals, etc) and in their windows.
The question that we should be asking ourselves is, which version of the commandments do we want our children to follow? Those raised in Catholic homes are probably taught the Catechism version which takes the second one out altogether. It moves the remaining commandments up a step while turning the tenth one into two separate rules maintaining the number ten. Therefore the third commandment becomes number three, four becomes three and so on. If believers actually study Exodus 20, they will discover that those three commandments are very detailed and posting a watered down version of them in public schools not only violates the American constitution, it violates every principle that is the very foundation of Christianity.
I think it’s kind of silly to compare posting of the 10 Commandments with posting your favorite team idols, the idea is that they (and we as immature shallow teenagers) put pictures up of things they want us to remember and think about. Yes that is how it works with kids as well as adults, that’s why there are pictures of things they want us to remember all over classroom walls as it is, according to age group. So OK let’s post the 10 Commandments let’s post the code of Hammurabi. Let’s post, some of the statements from the world religions. I don’t have a problem with it. But as others have suggested how about the beatitudes? God did command the Jews to write his words on the doorpost of their house, etc., and all over the place so that they would remember them .
Mandating the posting of just the 10 commandments violates the First Amendment. Just like with a nativity scene outside city hall it has to be part of a larger display. Lawmakers know that and they easily could have passed a law that was constitutional. The idea that the Ten Commandments are more important than the Magna Carta to America law is also silly. Plus are teachers and parents wanting to explain what adultery is to their 1st graders.
Phil is right about these pastors have an itch that needs to be scratched...somehow there aren't any people in the lives of these want to be pastors to counsel them about their motives for entering the ministry?
I think it’s wonderful that the 10 commandments are being posted in Louisiana classrooms. It’s one bright spot where a state legislature did something that is supported by a majority of its citizens.
I can't wait for the kids that read the 10 commandments in public school to realize how hypocritical their parents are in voting for a man who proudly breaks all of them.
On the contrary, it was that popular and took government to remove it: with two court cases from 1962. I’m glad the people are now beginning to right these wrongs and assert their authority over the state
The Psychological Crime: The Evangelical’s Philosophy of “The Greater Good” Having watched many video commentaries on the moral failure of Robert Morris, or more apt his sexual abuse of a child, or better yet, his past pedophilia activities, and heard the shock coming from some commentators and the outrage coming from others, it occurred to me what I was not hearing was a deep discussion of the role the parents of the child played in this tragic Christian saga. Why did they not go to law enforcement when learning of the four-year sexual relations Robert Morris had with their child, a relationship which started when he was in his twenties (married and with a child of his own), and she (the victim) was twelve years of age? One would think if this deplorable act had been carried out on their daughter by a stranger, a school teacher, or maybe even a family member, the parents would have sought legal recourse and seen that such an animal get taken off the streets and locked up so the attack that happened on their little girl would not happen to another little girl-- having their youth and innocence robbed from them. Right? So why did the parents exempt Robert Morris from this prosecutorial sexual misconduct of a minor? What compelled them from not addressing the situation with a normal expected response: Report Robert Morris to legal authorities and not allow him to go on with his life for the next thirty-five years, amassing great wealth, fame, and influence, never facing retribution for the crime and transgression against their daughter. (Matthew 18:6). I posit that the answer lies in the Psychological Power of religion. And especially the power of the adherence to the evangelical mission- to evangelize the world. For many Christians, this hailed thesis, which, posted onto the proverbial door of Evangelical dogma, supersedes all manner of things, even horrendous transgressions (pedophilia) committed by those seen as anointed and appointed by God to carry forth the message of salvation to the world. And hence lies the crux of the problem: the philosophy of The Greater Good (The elevation of the Great Commission over truth, honesty, and decency), a de facto philosophy that states: The moral failures of the men of God must be forgiven and dealt with in the Church only, and that the Church must restore and return these men to their proper place of authority for the sake of God’s Kingdom and the continuance of His Great Commission. But such a philosophy is nothing but a -trap house- for illegal and immoral activities to prosper while continuing in silence and out of public view and criminal investigation. Whether stated explicitly from a pulpit or intimated one to another in a closed circle of believers, this philosophy of The Greater Good implores Christians to show a -respective of persons- (James 2:1), which is to practice cognitive dissonance when faced with issues concerning the illegal and or immoral behavior of other Christians. This philosophy is unholy-- a stain cast upon the breast of Christian hypocrisy. Indeed, such a philosophy would have the Christian foolishly accept that the All-Mighty, the Creator of the heaven and the Earth, the Knower of the known and the unknown, is betwixt a rock and a hard place without the help of people like Robert Morris and their skill set -- these SPECIAL PEOPLE in church leadership. This philosophy is as dangerous as it is misguided, for it is ill-fitted for Christians charged to strive for integrity in their daily conduct as representatives of Christ in the world (Matthew 5:16). The Evangelical Movement, it must be said-- with all its financial and sexual scandals and political entanglements and theocracy bullying and its wide-spread showcasing of HUCKSTERISM by Old School and New School Hucksters-- the Evangelical Movement has become more or less a stumbling block for many believers if not an outright wayward road leading many to destruction as stated in Matthew 7:13-14. This latest of many scandals in the Evangelical Movement is an apt example-- a crime of pedophilia committed by a man of God covered up for thirty-five years for the sake of the spreading of the Gospel. The parents of the little girl that Robert Morris used for his sexual pleasure were essentially victims themselves, victimized by the Greater Good Philosophy. And like Robert Morris’s four-year ongoing crime against their daughter, this Peculiar Crime against the parents was an ongoing one as well- a psychological crime inflicted on them probably well before their daughter was even a twinkle in their eyes. MB July 1, 2024 Posted on various TH-cam channels in the comments section.
There is this story that the Bible has played a large part in the story of our nation, especially law. Kaitlyn expresses this in her critique. It's just not true. The founders were not old men. George was one of the oldest at 44, many were in the mid to lower 30s down to Hamilton at 21. These men were educated in the time of the enlightenment and heavily influenced by enlightenment philosophy which did not center or put religious ideas and teachings first. Our legal foundation, the constitution, was based on the enlightenment philosophy. The centering of the church came much much later and has become viewed as central mainly in the last hundred years. It's a lie pushed by the church in an effort to gain more power. The 10 Comandments had little if anything to do with our legal foundation. Half the commandments are incompatible with the enlightenment philosophy our founders held. The rest are general social protections common to most culture: don't murder, don't steal, don't lie, don't covet. These are not uniquely Jewish or Christian ideas even though Christians will act as if the god of the bible was the first to think of them. Often times in an appropriation sort of way that doesn't acknowledge the Jewish roots of the list.
42:10 "Judeo Christian values," is indeed a made up concept. 😅 It's essentially a marketing term with roots in the cultural appropriation that is zionism.
I find Kaitlyn's dislike of News of the Butt more juvenile than the stories themselves. Defecation and the places where that occurs are part of the wonders of creation
American extremes of either statutory religious texts displayed by force or banned entirely perplex me. 🤔. Why not let it be. They should neither ban displays nor mandate them 🙄 I went to a government funded religious protestant boarding school somewhere in the British commonwealth. We had a lot of religious expression, but no religious culture wars. We had freedom of religion, and non Protestants were allowed to go observe in their own houses of worship on thier days of worship- hindus, catholics, adventists, moslems. The boarding school actually facilitated their movements off campus for religious observance.
Gosh. I'm late to the party but Ms. Kate, along with Christian religious influence so much was taken from the romantic versions of Greek and Roman ideals. Do look at Thomas Jefferson's home. Also Benjamin Franklin strongly pushed following tenets of the Iroquois division of political powers, which the Foundations sadly only partially adopted.
Young man: I wanna be a famous minister, flying on a private jets and preaching to large crowds. Minister: consider becoming a pop singer. A faithful minister once told me a story similar to the one Skye told... just in a different language!
The on 2 types of Christians and why. The comment that service and violence are in the same person is not that confusing. With many evangelicals and fundamentalist politics is intigrated into their religious beliefs. We know they see no difference between being republican and being Christian. We know they believe anyone to their left cant be followers of Jesus. Politics always has a background of violence. Losing politically, because politics and religion are interconnected, is also losing religiously. They are also constantly fed the rhetoric that the other side is literally evil even demonic by religous and political leaders. They are not people you can save they are demons, witches, evil. Add to that a constant rhetoric about things they should fear hate, find disguting. In the perception of losing politically to evil then violence is justified both politically and religiously. There isnt to ideologies inhabiting 1 person. It isnt service & violence. Its just violence, but being a good chritian means you uave a checklist to maintain. Certain acts of service are on that list.it is just check box morality. Its why non Christians are appalled by Christians saying with out gods rules they wouldnt follow any. Its also saying that if they believe gods rules sanction violence then they will be monsters in the name of a politcal and religous ideas so mixed 1 cant be seperated from the other.
I don't agree with religiously motivated laws. But I also can't fault a right wing governor for wanting to do what left wing politicians do in their districts... Such as pushing certain icons and themes of preferred culture norms in their schools.
Thou shalt not #kill. (Exodus 20:13) / Thou shalt not [be complicit in #genocide]. More than 14,500 #children killed in #Gaza. The latest #death toll stands at 35,287 #Palestinians and 1,139 people killed in #Israel since October 7. (2024.05.07)
A half truth is still a whole lie. There were far more laws than just 10 listed in the book of Exodus. Exodus 21:16 is a part of Gods Holy Laws. Ye shall know the truth......
I definitely am all for the separation of church and state. However, it was difficult to hear you guys consistently refer to the 10 commandments as “the law of Moses” when it’s clear from scripture that God Himself is the author of the 10 commandments. The law of Moses (which is dictated by God to Moses) refers to the ceremonial laws, not the 10 commandments.
As a teacher, I am done with this converstion with 10 Commandments. It really isn't a violation as the opposition says it is. It won't make schools better either. Most students especially middle school and High school will not pay attention to either. They don't care if it is school rules up there. The situation becomes a problem if it is in the curriculum. The whole conversation is just political. I rather not have politics in schools, right or left or middle.
Except not state funds, taken from our taxes, is being set aside to fulfill this law. Then when you recall that the same legislature denied free school lunches to children and it comes across more like colonization than Christ's love.
@ average , I can’t make a joke about first currency ? 😂 Yea it affects millions of people . What do you propose? The gold standard ? Now YOU are wearing the tin foil hat looking for “attack helicopters” 😂 .
Funny how you brought up fiat currency. Money is a social construct. It only exists as it does because we all agree that it does. It doesn't have inherent value. Do you know what else is a social construct? Gender expression. Feel free to prove me wrong by providing a biological basis for pink being a girl's color and blue being a boy's color.
The Ten Commandments need to be posted everywhere in Louisiana so the crime rate will start dropping immediately. Posting just in schools doesn’t affect other Louisianans. By everywhere I mean inside all buildings (homes, stores, shops, hospitals, etc) and in their windows.
People don't commit crime for fun. Crime is a socio-economic phenomenon. The best way to reduce it is to reduce the things that cause it: income and wealth inequality and poor education.
If they want to post something "religious" in classrooms, post Jesus' words LOVE ONE ANOTHER!!! If they follow that one law, they won't break the other ten.
AMEN!
I read somewhere if #Christians want to post something publicly, maybe the #Beatitudes / Sermon on the Mount might bring more folks to #Christ!!!!🙌✝
If we are allowing blatantly unconstitutional religion in schools, I'd be happy with the beattitudes or 1 Cor 13. Those actually reflect Jesus and perpetuate his character much better than the 10 Commandments, which is basically just being used as an icon to wage a cultural war and browbeat non-Christian into submission, neither of which is Christlike.
I said something similar: my students don’t need much about graven images or adultery, but they need “love one another,” the golden rule, “you cannot serve God and money,” and “blessed are the humble, the meek, and the peacemakers.”
I'd go for Psalm 137:9, 1 Cor 5:12, maybe some others
Sure, but also God gave the ten commandments so like are we better than him?
I'm with Skye on this argument about the posting of the Ten Commandments in public classrooms. I taught both in Christian schools and public schools. After nearly 30 years, the behavior I saw in each was not all that different. You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink. If Moses coming down from a fiery mountain with two tablets carved by God's own hand did not cause the people to obey, why would anyone suppose that a glossy poster hanging on a classroom wall will cause a change of heart? Seeing Christianity in action is, in actuality, seeing the Beautitudes on display in the way people treat each other. This is more about imposing a religious dogma upon a secular society. Yeah, that always works well.
Amen! Well said
Honor parents
No murder
No adultery
No stealing
No lying
No coveting
The thing about a list of rules like this is that it doesn't mean much deep down. Most kids won't be murdering, stealing, or committing adultery. Easy to check off those boxes. The God centric ones those are easily followed or to justify the failings. Lying is a trained behavior. Most parents and caregivers give in to manipulation of young children, lie to children to make things easier for themselves, or use punishment instead of correction and call it discipline. These teach kids to lie and that it is beneficial to them. Even coveting is part of US culture. You call it a rule but it's everywhere. Kids are not stupid.
Another thing with check box morality is you only learn to check the boxes. The morality does not necessarily become a part of you. Teaching a list or in this case displaying the list just gives you check boxes. It isnt giving the tools to apply the morality and point of the moral lesson in other aspects of life.
i also share your teaching background , observations and conclusions.
John didn't cover how much the current US evangelical movement has damaged the christian church in Australia. I'm often have to explain to people that we are not the same as the US evangelical Christians churches.
Just look at Scott Morrison and the limitless Christian support he was given even after everything that's come out about him.
A lot of criticism is very much justified!
It's telling that these politicians focused on the 10 commandments rather than the 8 beatitudes. They're so obsessed with law they've forgotten that law comes from grace.
Stick to Christianity 101 - not woodstock
@@gmen7131 Are the sermon on the mount and the book of Romans not part of Christianity 101?
@@emmerz325 why not both
@@concernedkermit8190hmm.
The Decalogue has some issues.
As Christ summarizes, the important thing is what we do (love God and neighbor), not what we don’t do, which should follow from that love.
The ten are prone to Pharisee problems of tithing mint and neglecting justice, and it’s not a great teaching tool.
@@gmen7131 Fan of Jesus as Chuck Norris? Too much kindness, grace, and love in Jesus - need to replace that with POWER!!
Good afternoon from the beautiful SF Bay Area. I just LOVE the conversation with John Dickson. As a person who grew up in an Evangelical clan, daughter and granddaughter of ministers, and who left it because of its abandonment of Jesus' teachings, it is wonderful to hear such a cogent and non-American understanding of the teachings. Although I have some different conclusions, we are generally in agreement. Thanks for this, Skye. PS. As far as the 10 Commandments go, all they need is the Golden Rule, do for others as you would have done for you. This is at the heart of all major religions and requires nothing more. Once again the Radical Christian Right gets it wrong.
Caitlin is spot on about the influence of what is defined as success. I think the Lord defines it as faithfulness.
love and prayers for Lisa and your family Phil🙏🏼
So good to see "our" John Dickson on the HP. I've been waiting for this. His thinking and understanding is so helpful. Good to hear his reflections about the state in Australia.
He's been on at least one past episode
“And you’ll speed up secularism as a result” what a way to drop the mic.
Nothing speeds up secularism faster than obviously fake obviously self-serving acts of public faith.
Caitlyns dislike of news of the butt makes it even more entertaining, keep it up Phil!
I love how Phil and Skye are committed to torturing Kaitlyn with increasingly more absurd statements during NOTB segments. Resistance is futile, Kaitlyn!
@@Wren_Farthing this is the way
I am 💯 with Skye on this. I think that religion has a place in public schools, but in limited context and not by placing posters of the Ten Commandments or biblical scripture on school walls. Religion should be discussed when it is appropriate to the lesson. For instance, you cannot teach Western Civilization without discussing Christianity (as well as Islam and Judaism). Christianity comes into play when studying American history (e.g., Colonial America, Prohibition, black churches and Civil Rights movement) and Western jurisprudence. When I was in the 8th grade, we read “The Merchant of Venice” in our English class, and we talked about Judaism and antisemitism. And when we read “Othello,” we talked about the titular character’s Muslim roots and how Elizabeth I had a Moorish ambassador. In-depth discussions of scripture and biblical teachings should be limited to classes that are dedicated to that subject matter. I think that it would be great if schools offer (but not require) world religion classes so that students can learn about religions observed all over the world, as well as about historical deities, such as Greek and Roman gods and their influence in art, literature, language, and science.
My high-school had a voluntary class that I throughly enjoyed that taught ancient western cultures and religions. They called it Humanities Class. We started in Mesopotamia and ended at the middle ages of Europe. It covered soooo much.❤😊
@@andrewwhittaker2908 Interesting. I think my high school was a bit of an outlier because we were required to take 2 full years of European history, which was essentially a Western Civilization class that started with Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent, Sumerians, Mycenaeans, Minoans, etc. before moving on to the Greeks and then Romans, etc. Unfortunately, my high school didn’t offer a broader world history class, but I think that is why we were required to read The Economist every week, with weekly quizzes counting toward our final grade. In retrospect, I wish they had offered a world religions or comparative religions class (although I did learn Greek and Roman mythology in Latin classes).
@@hestergnu6627 those are exactly the same civilizations we learned in Humanities Class. I think it did count for one of our credits but I can't remember which one.
The first thing kids need to be taught in school is "YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME" if you got a problem with that - find a different country. This country is formed by directly by the mighty hand of the MOST HIGH. If you have an issue with the Christian God - this ain't you're country. Keep it movin!!
@@gmen7131no it wasn't, and if you want a theocracy move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
I get that a certain kind of Christian doesn’t feel honored & respected in public schools. But as a public school teacher, at least some of the time they’re responding to a loss of being the *main * recipients of honor & respect. Seeking to protect LGBT kids from bullying, or children of other religions from feeling unwelcome is a loss of privilege for those Christians, and they perceive it as an injustice.
They no longer get honored and respected when they flaunt and abuse their position of social superiority.
Consciously or unconsiously, they do this. I believe it's a remnant of colonization and manifest destiny.
@@lbjcb5 I think it’s natural to oppose losing your privileges - natural, but not necessarily right.
One of the best episodes! Thank you all.
if you post the commandments without context, it's only going to highlight how hopelessly insufficient they are as a foundation of a system of government
Lisa will be in my prayers.
24:07 Just a quick side tangent; AI doesn't "learn", it compiles data sets and mimics output using statistical probabilities. It is a small distinction, but I feel it's an important one.
Agreed. It's yet another example of our collective ignorance about new tech, even though we allow it to permeate all aspects of modern life.
I now have a mental picture of a generation of Louisiana first-graders asking their teachers and parents, “What’s adultery?”
And your point is?! Do you mean they should be taught to read by drag queens?!?! Don't F with the kids - We 2'Aed out in this b*tch
@@gmen7131lock and load, just like Jesus did.
Im very convinced that *no child would be traumatized by being told what adultry means, nor would their innocence be scarred. It's only in the way an adult (or older child) conveys the answer that a child can be traumatized, &/or left with more questions than answers- bc that's when they fill in the blanks with their imagination.
*UNLESS the child's parents /close loved one's are dealing with adultry. In that case- the scarring is already there. Even if they don't know adultry is what's going on or have a name & definition, they suffer the destructive consequences.
If #Christians want to post something publicly, maybe the #Beatitudes / SERMON ON THE MOUNT would be better suited to Jesus #Christ 's teachings.
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As a long time listener of the Holy Post and someone who loves this podcast and channel., I wanted to weigh in on the sexual abuse/ integrity issues from well-known pastors. I grew up as a missionary kid within the southern Baptist church. I experienced sexual abuse within that church system and reading about so many church leaders falling because of sexual sin or sexual abuse is very disheartening and personally really painful as well. As to the question of why this is happening, I have really come to see I over the years a culture within churches of either extended grace and forgiveness at any cost no matter what the sin or on the other spectrum severe legalism and harshness ove things which are not truly a sin or which are called a sin and people being spiritually/ emotionally abused in these churches. From what I have seen in these types of churches, is that there are no healthy boundaries or a willingness to look at the truth within themselves whether it’s sin or emotional unhealthiness. There also are teachings about forgiveness where there the concept of harm and damage done to the victim is not emphasized but the need to forgive and sweep things under the rug. I have seen this in large mega churches and small churches this type of culture to be very common. It is very rare for a church sermon to be focused on abuse, pride, or other uncomfortable topics. Statistically 1 in 3 women and girls are sexually abused and about 1 in 4 for boys. The idea that there are wolves among us in the church is scary and not something that the church at large seems comfortable talking about, Whatever we see in the world will be in the church . Many in the church assume that the church is a safe place, but that shouldn’t be assumed, especially when these issues are thought of as random and not an issue or problem within the church.
When talking about abusive preachers.
How does this play out not just in mega churches but down to the smallest and does the leaders in power and their work and responsibility to the community affect things?
I wish someone had brought this up but the text required by the Louisiana law is not the Ten Commandments taught by any religious tradition. The text is from a promo for the Cecile B deMille film "the Ten Commandments". There is a great Axios article on the providence of the text. Its like the state quotes a Marvel film as scripture. The law blasphemes the G*d of Abraham.
That is so interesting. I'll have to look into that further. I saw an interview with one of the Louisiana Legislators and she implied that the verbiage was chosen as it was from the oldest version of the English Bible.
Can you tell me where you read this? I was looking around on Axios and found a link to The Hill, discussing this translation vs translations generally used by Jews or Catholics.
Charlton Heston is pretty convincing 😹
@@lisad1623 It's peculiar to write a document in King James English for a vast public who aren't familiar with it and don't speak that way. It would make more sense if they were insisting on a translation based on the oldest known texts instead.
I mean, it makes sense from the perspective that they aren't putting it up as a religious document but as an American cultural document.
Caitlyn sounds like she is okay with giving the power to the state to tell others people’s children what religious beliefs are valid, and if your family is not religious or not Christian you are a second class citizen.
This may be the first episode for which I disagree with Caitlyn. This bill had nothing to do with history, and was just about lowering the separation of church and state. 100% with Skye on this one.
Yes, that was weird. I’m not clear on what she thinks should be happening in this situation.
She said it is good to explain the influence of religion on the history of the laws of our countries. She clearly said she doesn't think the display of the commandments should be mandatory.
Hello and Thank you Holy Post. ⏪
I too, agee with Sky regarding the incompetence of Christian Ministry. Ego is not being addressed along side with the Fraternity of organized religion.
When only afew are considered as a posture for maintaining leadership, everyone else's feedback is often ignored or completely censored. Thus allowing all manners of unthical behavior.
Yes, Ms. Caitlin, Respectfully I hope the spelling prefix is correct? I Agree with her assessment! American ideology and values have No business being asserted into the bible!
Again, Thank you Holy Post
all the best.
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Lincoln, N.E.🌱
What I think is happening with all these Megachurch pastors is they are wanted for their knowledge and their skill in teaching and entertaining an audience. What we should be looked for is someone who is pastoral, who cares for his flock, and models Christ like behavior and character. Someone Who the church can know personally and see how they live their day to day life. What we have now is a celebrity who gets to leave and hide away and do whatever he wants behind the scenes as long as he shows up Sunday morning with a wonderful message to inspire you for your week ahead. That has to go. Character has to be more important.
There's that amazing profundity again... "Character matters"... american church has so forgotten that, on so many fronts hasn't it?
I wish they'd spent a bit more time grappling with the implications of a law requiring the posting of a passage from the Qur'an. It often seems that a great many American Christians _simply have no conception_ of the alienation a citizen might feel when their government visibly participates in a religion that is not their own. As best I can tell, there are only two ways to break through this: propose something equivalent but with Islam, or with Satanism.
They also could have spent a bit more time interrogating why this crucial display of Western legal tradition belongs in every music, math, home ec, woodshop, and foreign language classroom.
Finally, I would love to hear *exactly how the Ten Commandments influenced the American experiment.* Everyone says it but nobody ever shows their work. And, I'll be honest, I just don't see it. The Constitution makes no mention of honoring thy father and thy mother. The Declaration of Independence never calls out King George for failing to remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Walking around Washington, DC, it does not seem the Founding Fathers were particularly adamant about not making for ourselves any graven images. Nowhere in the US Code, nor even in common law, can I find any prohibition on coveting my neighbor's wife, let alone his ox.
And, conversely, nowhere in the Ten Commandments do I read about the three branches of government. In the various censuses in ancient Israel, nobody was ever tallied as ⅗ of a person. There's not even a mention of whether or not we have a right to keep and bear arms, let alone whether or not we should be coerced to quarter troops in our homes. The God of Moses, if anything, seemed to want to emphasize that Jews and goyim _were not_ created equal or endowed with certain unalienable rights. The Ten Commandments touches upon life, but neither liberty nor the pursuit of happiness.
So, like, really? Western law is based on the Ten Commandments? Or even on Mosaic law as whole? Show me where.
It's not the public school's job to teach religion, it's the parents. ...
@@Ericviking2019 Now do pride month
@@concernedkermit8190people like you are why pride month exists in the first place.
Is there a POBox we can send get-well cards to for Lisa? Maybe a Holy Post mailbox that can forward them to her safely?
Concerning the establishment of a religion. It's about privileging one group over another. And posting the Ten commandments definitely does this.
Technically it’s about establishing a state religion.
I am definitely an antireestablishmentarianist.
The Church of England is and was a disaster that we rejected in 1776 and we don’t need our own version of that nonsense.
Why are there so many failings in the leadership of the church? It turns out that when you treat the church like a business, you attract people that run things like a business: transactionally.
That is the opposite of the character that is needed to be an effective and moral ministry leader. The more business-like the mindset that the organization has, the more prone to corruption the leadership will be.
As with anything else in life, there are exceptions. This isn't always the case, especially in smaller congregations. Of course, it's likely that those congregations are smaller because they're not treating church like a business in the first place.
The same thing applies to political leadership as well. When you treat running the government as a business, you're going to face the same trap. Neither the church nor the state should be run like a business. Both should have goals that are antithetical to that of running one.
I'm starting to come to the realization that all religious organizations, churches, etc. in this country are businesses.
@@noybnoyb356 exactly. Maybe this whole capitalism thing has outlived its usefulness.
Well said!
I would just like to a medical care to that list
@@bethrossiter1857 absolutely. Making healthcare for profit has been a disaster and is antithetical to how society should be run.
To be more than a conquerer doesn't mean to conquer and dominate. It means that I conquer my enemies and then I serve them. All in the love of God.
Enemies as in people who don’t yet have a relationship with Christ as their savior, yes?
@@rosscotxla I guess that would be an evangelical definition of enemies. Mine would be people who want to hurt me or the things that I love.
But also to conquer in the way Jesus conquered - not by domination as you say (or as Mike eerie talked about with power over)
@@pastorofmuppets8834 Yes.
Well said.
Praying for Lisa.
In 2016 when my mom decided she couldnt vote for Hillary or Drumpf she told me she voted for Tony Evans and how good he was. I warned her 😂
Luckily we're in Illinois and her vote doesnt matter. Since then ive gotten her out of voting solely on anti abortion and gay marriage to being more progressive. It was a lot of tough and blunt discussion, but it worked.
They should let me pick 10 biblical laws to post up in classrooms. There would be some real tough conversations at home.
Sorry about the C issue Phil. Rush in Chicago is a good C facility.
My favorite character from Blues Clues was Steve's sock puppet, that was in all of two episodes.
The boys were energetically fascinating and the girl was horrified.
And that, folks, explains news of the butt😂😂😂
Thank you for your honest feedback / insight on real-life horrific events (and even silly whales) and processing along with the rest of us. I appreciate all of your insight!
I would limit this to teaching American history with the understanding that Protestantism is strongly influential in forming American culture. This has both good and unfortunate points.
God, please save Lisa Vischer from cancer, we don't want to lose another part of our childhood. I doubt any of our hearts could handle losing her
John Dickson reminds me of Sean McDowell. Maybe it's the light hair, jacket & tee.
Good guest, regardless😊.
I firmly believe that the current Christian fundamentalist/ nationalist movement will accelerate the movement toward secularism, socialism, and humanism, especially with its link to capitalism.
Hey, can you not do better help sponsorships? There’s no proof their quality control got better from their original scandal. So please double check it has.
There’s a discussion of this from Cinema Therapy (which is a show hosted by a licensed therapist so at least somewhat knowledgeable) and they have a Reddit post (today) where they discuss their own relationship with BH and why they’re comfortable using them as a partner.
Ministry is first and foremost about serving others. With that being said, when a minister has shown himself or herself to be unable to minister he or she should step down. However given the culture of modern ministry where the image is more important than the essence e.g., the way the bottle is shaped is more important than what the contents are, ministries have a tendency to value protecting the image at all cost, even if that cost means doing things that are directly opposed to the ministry, i.e., being truthful at all times, being transparent, and such. Things that are true never need protection, but they do need to be promoted. In contrast, a lie always needs to be protected and should never be promoted. There's a tendency to believe that our faith is so important that it's OK to take actions against our faith!, in order to ensure that the faith continues.
In some ways the current culture is like the rogue law enforcer who breaks the law in order to achieve justice and while that concept makes for some really great television it doesn't work well in ministry.
The display of the Ten Commandments is OK, but there's an ulterior motive for wanting to display the Ten Commandments in public schools. ( I assume that private schools don't often display the Ten Commandments but I don't know that certainly) It's the same reason that most monuments to the Confederacy were created well after the end of the Civil War, the same reason that is given for wanting to ban certain books because they contain violence and sex ( though there's at least one book with A LOT of sex and violence that no seems to want to ban...I'm sorry but the name of that best selling Book escapes me at the moment...I wish that people would just call a spade a spade and say in very direct terms that their version of America is White and Christian , which of course is a real problem for Americans who aren't White or Christian.
Posting the 10 commandments is an interesting choice for Christians since when the rich young man bragged to Jesus about keeping them, Jesus reminded him of the laws regarding the poor.
Excellent point!
The whales defense plan is much like mine when running from a bear. Similar to the ole banana peel trick. 😅😅😅
The Ten Commandments need to be posted everywhere in Louisiana so the crime rate will start dropping immediately. Posting just in schools doesn’t affect other Louisianans. By everywhere I mean inside all buildings (homes, stores, shops, hospitals, etc) and in their windows.
The question that we should be asking ourselves is, which version of the commandments do we want our children to follow? Those raised in Catholic homes are probably taught the Catechism version which takes the second one out altogether. It moves the remaining commandments up a step while turning the tenth one into two separate rules maintaining the number ten. Therefore the third commandment becomes number three, four becomes three and so on. If believers actually study Exodus 20, they will discover that those three commandments are very detailed and posting a watered down version of them in public schools not only violates the American constitution, it violates every principle that is the very foundation of Christianity.
I think it’s kind of silly to compare posting of the 10 Commandments with posting your favorite team idols, the idea is that they (and we as immature shallow teenagers) put pictures up of things they want us to remember and think about. Yes that is how it works with kids as well as adults, that’s why there are pictures of things they want us to remember all over classroom walls as it is, according to age group. So OK let’s post the 10 Commandments let’s post the code of Hammurabi. Let’s post, some of the statements from the world religions. I don’t have a problem with it. But as others have suggested how about the beatitudes?
God did command the Jews to write his words on the doorpost of their house, etc., and all over the place so that they would remember them .
Mandating the posting of just the 10 commandments violates the First Amendment. Just like with a nativity scene outside city hall it has to be part of a larger display. Lawmakers know that and they easily could have passed a law that was constitutional. The idea that the Ten Commandments are more important than the Magna Carta to America law is also silly. Plus are teachers and parents wanting to explain what adultery is to their 1st graders.
It’s an idol to be worshipped not something anyone is actually expected to read .
Phil is right about these pastors have an itch that needs to be scratched...somehow there aren't any people in the lives of these want to be pastors to counsel them about their motives for entering the ministry?
Skye the beard is working for you, ignore the haters.
I think it’s wonderful that the 10 commandments are being posted in Louisiana classrooms.
It’s one bright spot where a state legislature did something that is supported by a majority of its citizens.
I can't wait for the kids that read the 10 commandments in public school to realize how hypocritical their parents are in voting for a man who proudly breaks all of them.
If it were actually that popular (and constitutional) it would have been done without the government mandating it.
On the contrary, it was that popular and took government to remove it: with two court cases from 1962.
I’m glad the people are now beginning to right these wrongs and assert their authority over the state
Engel vs vitale and Abington school vs schempp
It is my position that if one decides to teach 10, teach them all. Gods laws to Moses extends deep into the book of Exodus past chapter 21
The Psychological Crime:
The Evangelical’s Philosophy of “The Greater Good”
Having watched many video commentaries on the moral failure of Robert Morris, or more apt his sexual abuse of a child, or better yet, his past pedophilia activities, and heard the shock coming from some commentators and the outrage coming from others, it occurred to me what I was not hearing was a deep discussion of the role the parents of the child played in this tragic Christian saga.
Why did they not go to law enforcement when learning of the four-year sexual relations Robert Morris had with their child, a relationship which started when he was in his twenties (married and with a child of his own), and she (the victim) was twelve years of age? One would think if this deplorable act had been carried out on their daughter by a stranger, a school teacher, or maybe even a family member, the parents would have sought legal recourse and seen that such an animal get taken off the streets and locked up so the attack that happened on their little girl would not happen to another little girl-- having their youth and innocence robbed from them. Right?
So why did the parents exempt Robert Morris from this prosecutorial sexual misconduct of a minor? What compelled them from not addressing the situation with a normal expected response: Report Robert Morris to legal authorities and not allow him to go on with his life for the next thirty-five years, amassing great wealth, fame, and influence, never facing retribution for the crime and transgression against their daughter. (Matthew 18:6).
I posit that the answer lies in the Psychological Power of religion. And especially the power of the adherence to the evangelical mission- to evangelize the world. For many Christians, this hailed thesis, which, posted onto the proverbial door of Evangelical dogma, supersedes all manner of things, even horrendous transgressions (pedophilia) committed by those seen as anointed and appointed by God to carry forth the message of salvation to the world.
And hence lies the crux of the problem: the philosophy of The Greater Good (The elevation of the Great Commission over truth, honesty, and decency), a de facto philosophy that states: The moral failures of the men of God must be forgiven and dealt with in the Church only, and that the Church must restore and return these men to their proper place of authority for the sake of God’s Kingdom and the continuance of His Great Commission.
But such a philosophy is nothing but a -trap house- for illegal and immoral activities to prosper while continuing in silence and out of public view and criminal investigation. Whether stated explicitly from a pulpit or intimated one to another in a closed circle of believers, this philosophy of The Greater Good implores Christians to show a -respective of persons- (James 2:1), which is to practice cognitive dissonance when faced with issues concerning the illegal and or immoral behavior of other Christians. This philosophy is unholy-- a stain cast upon the breast of Christian hypocrisy.
Indeed, such a philosophy would have the Christian foolishly accept that the All-Mighty, the Creator of the heaven and the Earth, the Knower of the known and the unknown, is betwixt a rock and a hard place without the help of people like Robert Morris and their skill set -- these SPECIAL PEOPLE in church leadership. This philosophy is as dangerous as it is misguided, for it is ill-fitted for Christians charged to strive for integrity in their daily conduct as representatives of Christ in the world (Matthew 5:16).
The Evangelical Movement, it must be said-- with all its financial and sexual scandals and political entanglements and theocracy bullying and its wide-spread showcasing of HUCKSTERISM by Old School and New School Hucksters-- the Evangelical Movement has become more or less a stumbling block for many believers if not an outright wayward road leading many to destruction as stated in Matthew 7:13-14. This latest of many scandals in the Evangelical Movement is an apt example-- a crime of pedophilia committed by a man of God covered up for thirty-five years for the sake of the spreading of the Gospel.
The parents of the little girl that Robert Morris used for his sexual pleasure were essentially victims themselves, victimized by the Greater Good Philosophy. And like Robert Morris’s four-year ongoing crime against their daughter, this Peculiar Crime against the parents was an ongoing one as well- a psychological crime inflicted on them probably well before their daughter was even a twinkle in their eyes.
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There is this story that the Bible has played a large part in the story of our nation, especially law. Kaitlyn expresses this in her critique. It's just not true. The founders were not old men. George was one of the oldest at 44, many were in the mid to lower 30s down to Hamilton at 21. These men were educated in the time of the enlightenment and heavily influenced by enlightenment philosophy which did not center or put religious ideas and teachings first. Our legal foundation, the constitution, was based on the enlightenment philosophy. The centering of the church came much much later and has become viewed as central mainly in the last hundred years. It's a lie pushed by the church in an effort to gain more power. The 10 Comandments had little if anything to do with our legal foundation. Half the commandments are incompatible with the enlightenment philosophy our founders held. The rest are general social protections common to most culture: don't murder, don't steal, don't lie, don't covet. These are not uniquely Jewish or Christian ideas even though Christians will act as if the god of the bible was the first to think of them. Often times in an appropriation sort of way that doesn't acknowledge the Jewish roots of the list.
Poor Kaitlyn.....🤣🤣🤣🤣
42:10 "Judeo Christian values," is indeed a made up concept. 😅 It's essentially a marketing term with roots in the cultural appropriation that is zionism.
I find Kaitlyn's dislike of News of the Butt more juvenile than the stories themselves. Defecation and the places where that occurs are part of the wonders of creation
American extremes of either statutory religious texts displayed by force or banned entirely perplex me. 🤔. Why not let it be. They should neither ban displays nor mandate them 🙄
I went to a government funded religious protestant boarding school somewhere in the British commonwealth.
We had a lot of religious expression, but no religious culture wars.
We had freedom of religion, and non Protestants were allowed to go observe in their own houses of worship on thier days of worship- hindus, catholics, adventists, moslems. The boarding school actually facilitated their movements off campus for religious observance.
Gosh. I'm late to the party but Ms. Kate, along with Christian religious influence so much was taken from the romantic versions of Greek and Roman ideals. Do look at Thomas Jefferson's home. Also Benjamin Franklin strongly pushed following tenets of the Iroquois division of political powers, which the Foundations sadly only partially adopted.
My state makes the Holy Post for all the wrong reasons.😢
Young man: I wanna be a famous minister, flying on a private jets and preaching to large crowds.
Minister: consider becoming a pop singer.
A faithful minister once told me a story similar to the one Skye told... just in a different language!
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on 2 types of Christians and why.
The comment that service and violence are in the same person is not that confusing. With many evangelicals and fundamentalist politics is intigrated into their religious beliefs. We know they see no difference between being republican and being Christian. We know they believe anyone to their left cant be followers of Jesus. Politics always has a background of violence. Losing politically, because politics and religion are interconnected, is also losing religiously. They are also constantly fed the rhetoric that the other side is literally evil even demonic by religous and political leaders. They are not people you can save they are demons, witches, evil. Add to that a constant rhetoric about things they should fear hate, find disguting. In the perception of losing politically to evil then violence is justified both politically and religiously. There isnt to ideologies inhabiting 1 person. It isnt service & violence. Its just violence, but being a good chritian means you uave a checklist to maintain. Certain acts of service are on that list.it is just check box morality. Its why non Christians are appalled by Christians saying with out gods rules they wouldnt follow any. Its also saying that if they believe gods rules sanction violence then they will be monsters in the name of a politcal and religous ideas so mixed 1 cant be seperated from the other.
I don't agree with religiously motivated laws. But I also can't fault a right wing governor for wanting to do what left wing politicians do in their districts... Such as pushing certain icons and themes of preferred culture norms in their schools.
Thou shalt not #kill. (Exodus 20:13) / Thou shalt not [be complicit in #genocide].
More than 14,500 #children killed in #Gaza. The latest #death toll stands at 35,287 #Palestinians and 1,139 people killed in #Israel since October 7. (2024.05.07)
- well Class, get out your season episodes of Monk If you have them
Do Orcas use sonar? And if Orcas use sonar, did the whale poop interfere with the sonar of the Orcas?
21:09 😳 but hold on… let him cook, tho… Phil might be on to something here…
A half truth is still a whole lie. There were far more laws than just 10 listed in the book of Exodus. Exodus 21:16 is a part of Gods Holy Laws.
Ye shall know the truth......
Over emphasis on "bully" Christians. A little ridiculous. Most are passive and have become part of the culture.
Passive means not as loud. Hence why the bullies get the attention.
So why doesn't Jeff obey the 2 about lying and adultery ?
Agree w Skye. Also agree that heading to Rochester always a safe bet. Hallowed ground. The patient is truly No. #1. I just FF KS w her fast jibberish.
Huh, the guest kinda resembles Gary Sinise.
Kaitlyn's disdain for news of the butt is most of the entertainment.
- the fire dude look
For the posting of the Ten Commandments in schools to have any affect, all students must be taught what they mean, what they are about.
9:44 trust Caitlyn to poo poo news of the butt
I definitely am all for the separation of church and state. However, it was difficult to hear you guys consistently refer to the 10 commandments as “the law of Moses” when it’s clear from scripture that God Himself is the author of the 10 commandments. The law of Moses (which is dictated by God to Moses) refers to the ceremonial laws, not the 10 commandments.
As a teacher, I am done with this converstion with 10 Commandments. It really isn't a violation as the opposition says it is. It won't make schools better either. Most students especially middle school and High school will not pay attention to either. They don't care if it is school rules up there. The situation becomes a problem if it is in the curriculum. The whole conversation is just political. I rather not have politics in schools, right or left or middle.
Except not state funds, taken from our taxes, is being set aside to fulfill this law. Then when you recall that the same legislature denied free school lunches to children and it comes across more like colonization than Christ's love.
Moses gier of the law? What about Hammurabi!🤣
Phil, I’ll pray for your wife.
Skye looks like a wise scholar actually. Like he would look comfortable in a jacket over a sweater vest while holding a pipe.
A jacket with felt elbows!
Is Jeff paying for this ? Out of his pocket?
@ average , I can’t make a joke about first currency ? 😂 Yea it affects millions of people . What do you propose? The gold standard ? Now YOU are wearing the tin foil hat looking for “attack helicopters” 😂 .
Funny how you brought up fiat currency. Money is a social construct. It only exists as it does because we all agree that it does. It doesn't have inherent value.
Do you know what else is a social construct? Gender expression. Feel free to prove me wrong by providing a biological basis for pink being a girl's color and blue being a boy's color.
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You can't win the world for Christ when you don't look like Christ.
That’s why only blonde blue eyed men can win the world for Christ?
The Ten Commandments need to be posted everywhere in Louisiana so the crime rate will start dropping immediately. Posting just in schools doesn’t affect other Louisianans. By everywhere I mean inside all buildings (homes, stores, shops, hospitals, etc) and in their windows.
People don't commit crime for fun. Crime is a socio-economic phenomenon. The best way to reduce it is to reduce the things that cause it: income and wealth inequality and poor education.
@@averageuser4367 In biblical terms: looking after the poor, orphan, the widow, and the foreigner....
@@janesmith7128exactly.