16:06 "it took me 2 years to wrap my head around that concept" and it took you on 6 minutes to explain it in a way that me and many others understand it. Great job, enjoying your tutorial series so far. I wanted to learn this game and see if it was worth buying during the free weekend but could not figure anything out even after watching those 30 min tutorials. I ponied up the $10 after finding your tutorials.
One way to think about civilian factories is by considering that in real life money is just an abstraction of production. When you work for a company, you are helping that company produce a good or service. The money you receive accounts for your contribution, such that you can trade that money for someone else's production or the fruit of. In HOI4 we skip the added complexity of converting to and from money, and instead trade in production directly
It's a wargame simulating the preparation of WW2. If a government, elected or authoritarian, wanted to rearm or build a new base somewhere in preparation of another world war, it would have happened. If they lacked money to budget for it, it would be borrowed through government bonds or foreign creditors. Money was not a problem during WWII and no country went "welp, I got no money left in my Treasury and no creditors, guess I am gonna raise my hands in the air and stop fighting." They always found someone lending credit to these states even if meant repaying for decades afterwards. Even countries that were completely destroyed industrially, like Germany and Japan.
I prefer to think of it like government contracts. The government is just contracting the civilian factories that aren't producing commodities for public consumption to produce whatever the government needs. In more (wholly unnecessary to the understanding of the game mechanics) detail, the government just prints money and gives the factory owners whatever they need to cover their costs and provide a profit for the owners that'll be enough for them not to fuck off to another country where they can make more, then extracting whatever currency is necessary to maintain "sustainable" economic growth (ignoring the tendency of the rate of profit to fall and whatnot) and moderate crises through taxes afterward. At least within capitalist nations, anyway. The socialist ones just bypass the contract part and issue production orders based on democratically-moderated central planning since the industries are nationalized (typically, unless we're dealing with some weird syndicalist economy or something). This is actually why I really like how the production side of things in this game is handled. From what I've seen so far, anyway. It abstracts things away to the point where the system works and makes sense regardless of what economic system it's laid over, regardless of whether you're aware of the fine detail of what's happening "underneath the hood" from nation to nation. At least for now, anyway. I haven't seen how a socialist nation functions yet, though I'm not sure why it'd be much different (if at all).
These tutorials are helping big time in getting this game off the ground for me. You take the time to explain things in such a way that the big picture and strategy there of becomes clear. Great work on these, Thank You!
Eres el mejor explicando !!!. Tengo este juego desde hace mucho y lo había abandonado porque no lograba entenderlo. Me has hecho recuperar las ganas y estoy muy motivado gracias a tus videos.
hows it going? I got the game last christmas and have plucked up the courage to give it another go after getting mad even with tutorials the first time haha
If you're using a phone screen to play along and trying to learn...good luck 👍🏼 get used to tapping rewind on many many occasions throughout this particular tutorial series...FYI
It's Heer with double e so its spoken a bit longer than with one e (her don't exist in the german language I think). But Heer is some kind of an old word for army, normally we use Armee today, not Heer.
At 41:35 giving general Friedrich Paulus the command over the 6th Army is remarkable, did you do this by coincidence? In real history Paulus is known as the commander of the German 6th Army during the Battle of Stalingrad were early 1943 his army was destroyed by the Russians, being the turning tide of World War II in Europe.
The tide was turned when Mr A.H Mustache man declared war on the US and Soviet Union at the same time. Had Mr mustache taken his time he could’ve won everything….. pretty scary to think about
I gave thought to the civilian factory thing. I considered that to build all the economics associated with a monetary unit for each country would really make the game that much bigger and harder to understand. It seemed to me that the developers remained focus on politics and war and not countries economic development. I made sense that they would have drawn the line at factories and not gone below into money and finances. Thank god they didn't this is a game that takes learning and practice as it is.
@@richardmadsen8229 I agree it would have made it too complicated, especially then with trade and fluxuating exchange rates etc. The civilian factory idea used as money definitely makes sense after a couple good playthroughs
First suggestion for defeating Ethiopia, is to transfer your Mountaineer divisions to Ethiopia. Put them with the Northern army. Ethiopia is heavily mountainous and the mountianeers will do well.
on one hand that is indeed not how you say Witzleben, and your way to say it sounds quite funny. on the other hand, the real version isnt actually any more serious. His last name literally translates to "Joke Life"
Here's a simpler way of thinking about the civilian factories. Just imagine that in this game, the concept of currency exchange is non-existent. For example, Americans may use dollars in US, Britishers may use pounds in UK, but they can't directly exchange the pound for dollars or vice versa. It might be a bit difficult wrapping your head around it, but makes more sense than assuming that active members of an anti-comintern alliance would be entirely made up of socialist dictatorships.
I don't think they work for free. You pay them with civilian factories. There are ways that get them payed less therefore you get more civilian factories.
Version 1.14.2, Playing germany. Stuck on Research. Instead of having the option to Research Tigers, and other german tanks i can only research "1934 light tank, 1938 medium tank, 1940 heavy tank" etc. What the hell did i do wrong
Thank you so much for you generous tip! Regarding your comment from yesterday about the timing of the Spanish civil war - it will always vary some... What got need to be able to do is send over the panzer divisions. If it happens again, I suggest you continue the tutorial as closely as possible, and either: 1) continue the tutorial, and send the Spanish volunteers at the same time I do - in other words, miss a few weeks fighting. The war latest 36-39 in real life, so there should be time. Once you've done it a time or two, you'll get the hang of it. 2) I'm going to do a separate video, just for the Spanish civil war, as many people are experiencing it at different times. I'll try insert it, outside the tutorial series, as a "if Spanish war starts early, watch this specific video." Thanks again for your generosity, and giving me the prompt to address the Spanish civil war properly - together with the other comments regarding the similar issue, it's finally twisted my arm into addressing it properly!
hi man, love your content, still dont really understand the factorys, maby take some more time to explain it next time ;) also little mistake i noticed with muy eagle eye, its actully not 'her' (with one e). its actually 'heer' (with 2 ee's) for the rest keep up the jolly good work mate, i adore you to the maxium amount possible (btw are you married? if not im available ;))
16:06 "it took me 2 years to wrap my head around that concept" and it took you on 6 minutes to explain it in a way that me and many others understand it. Great job, enjoying your tutorial series so far. I wanted to learn this game and see if it was worth buying during the free weekend but could not figure anything out even after watching those 30 min tutorials. I ponied up the $10 after finding your tutorials.
Yoo at the end did you learned it ?
One way to think about civilian factories is by considering that in real life money is just an abstraction of production. When you work for a company, you are helping that company produce a good or service. The money you receive accounts for your contribution, such that you can trade that money for someone else's production or the fruit of.
In HOI4 we skip the added complexity of converting to and from money, and instead trade in production directly
You explained it far better than I did, and in just 30 seconds! Thank you, I might just pinch that in the next episode.
Barter times, kingdom of pre-money sapiens economicus geniuses
It's a wargame simulating the preparation of WW2. If a government, elected or authoritarian, wanted to rearm or build a new base somewhere in preparation of another world war, it would have happened. If they lacked money to budget for it, it would be borrowed through government bonds or foreign creditors. Money was not a problem during WWII and no country went "welp, I got no money left in my Treasury and no creditors, guess I am gonna raise my hands in the air and stop fighting." They always found someone lending credit to these states even if meant repaying for decades afterwards. Even countries that were completely destroyed industrially, like Germany and Japan.
It also fits perfectly with the communist and dictatorship ideas in this game.
I prefer to think of it like government contracts. The government is just contracting the civilian factories that aren't producing commodities for public consumption to produce whatever the government needs.
In more (wholly unnecessary to the understanding of the game mechanics) detail, the government just prints money and gives the factory owners whatever they need to cover their costs and provide a profit for the owners that'll be enough for them not to fuck off to another country where they can make more, then extracting whatever currency is necessary to maintain "sustainable" economic growth (ignoring the tendency of the rate of profit to fall and whatnot) and moderate crises through taxes afterward. At least within capitalist nations, anyway. The socialist ones just bypass the contract part and issue production orders based on democratically-moderated central planning since the industries are nationalized (typically, unless we're dealing with some weird syndicalist economy or something).
This is actually why I really like how the production side of things in this game is handled. From what I've seen so far, anyway. It abstracts things away to the point where the system works and makes sense regardless of what economic system it's laid over, regardless of whether you're aware of the fine detail of what's happening "underneath the hood" from nation to nation. At least for now, anyway. I haven't seen how a socialist nation functions yet, though I'm not sure why it'd be much different (if at all).
Thank you for part 3, I'll now move my divisions on to part 4
I’ve learned more from these 3 videos than I did in a year of trying to teach myself with HOI3. Thank you.
These tutorials are helping big time in getting this game off the ground for me. You take the time to explain things in such a way that the big picture and strategy there of becomes clear. Great work on these, Thank You!
Thank you for the kind words. I hope you find the series useful, as and when you feel like playing.
Thanks for doing all of this for us. I think your talking speed is fine!
tysm for sharing your knowledge not just about the game, but also about history! much love from the netherlands!
When you were talking about civilian factories german workers Party came to mind
Excellent! Thank you!
Hello and thank you for a wonderful and very detailed Gaide. Thank you very much for doing this.
Eres el mejor explicando !!!. Tengo este juego desde hace mucho y lo había abandonado porque no lograba entenderlo. Me has hecho recuperar las ganas y estoy muy motivado gracias a tus videos.
You're very welcome. Thanks for your words, and for Google translate!
Your videos are so good you are going over everything with great care thanks
thankyou to this guy for his effort he puts into his tutorials
Okay, so far Ive watched 4 hours of tutorial and played 30 minutes. Just 50 more to go and have fun :D
Great series so far!
hows it going? I got the game last christmas and have plucked up the courage to give it another go after getting mad even with tutorials the first time haha
hey i just wanted to say that ur vidoes help me alot thanks and keep it up
If you're using a phone screen to play along and trying to learn...good luck 👍🏼 get used to tapping rewind on many many occasions throughout this particular tutorial series...FYI
It's Heer with double e so its spoken a bit longer than with one e (her don't exist in the german language I think). But Heer is some kind of an old word for army, normally we use Armee today, not Heer.
At 41:35 giving general Friedrich Paulus the command over the 6th Army is remarkable, did you do this by coincidence? In real history Paulus is known as the commander of the German 6th Army during the Battle of Stalingrad were early 1943 his army was destroyed by the Russians, being the turning tide of World War II in Europe.
The tide was turned when Mr A.H Mustache man declared war on the US and Soviet Union at the same time.
Had Mr mustache taken his time he could’ve won everything…..
pretty scary to think about
when should i start playing the game?
This game is on heavy discount thought i pick it up yet watch the parts 1 and 2... this game looks to0 complex for me to get my head around.
I gave thought to the civilian factory thing. I considered that to build all the economics associated with a monetary unit for each country would really make the game that much bigger and harder to understand. It seemed to me that the developers remained focus on politics and war and not countries economic development. I made sense that they would have drawn the line at factories and not gone below into money and finances. Thank god they didn't this is a game that takes learning and practice as it is.
@@richardmadsen8229 I agree it would have made it too complicated, especially then with trade and fluxuating exchange rates etc. The civilian factory idea used as money definitely makes sense after a couple good playthroughs
Tried to play this game and I can't beat the tutorial. I'm getting my butt whooped by Ethiopia.
First suggestion for defeating Ethiopia, is to transfer your Mountaineer divisions to Ethiopia.
Put them with the Northern army.
Ethiopia is heavily mountainous and the mountianeers will do well.
on one hand that is indeed not how you say Witzleben, and your way to say it sounds quite funny. on the other hand, the real version isnt actually any more serious. His last name literally translates to "Joke Life"
Do you know that NEVER OCCURRED! well done. I thought a similar thing about the German airline Lufthansa is kinda like Air Dancer.
Thanks for that.
Here's a simpler way of thinking about the civilian factories.
Just imagine that in this game, the concept of currency exchange is non-existent. For example, Americans may use dollars in US, Britishers may use pounds in UK, but they can't directly exchange the pound for dollars or vice versa.
It might be a bit difficult wrapping your head around it, but makes more sense than assuming that active members of an anti-comintern alliance would be entirely made up of socialist dictatorships.
Lol, he talk so slow that I use 1.5x speed and still look like a normal person talking😂 nice tutorial BTW
I use 5x
Well ÿ na
I do like your style ;)
I don't think they work for free. You pay them with civilian factories. There are ways that get them payed less therefore you get more civilian factories.
Thank you mate, great toturials 👏
I got the exact same guy falling sick at the same moment on my second monitor😂
The more is see about HoI i wish there would be a game that combine Hoi with games like Steel Division 2 or Ruse.
OHHHHHHH. I never saw the area defense part. I was wondering how the hell you got 72 units. That seems a little bs.
Version 1.14.2, Playing germany. Stuck on Research. Instead of having the option to Research Tigers, and other german tanks i can only research "1934 light tank, 1938 medium tank, 1940 heavy tank" etc. What the hell did i do wrong
You have dlc enabled.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for you generous tip! Regarding your comment from yesterday about the timing of the Spanish civil war - it will always vary some... What got need to be able to do is send over the panzer divisions. If it happens again, I suggest you continue the tutorial as closely as possible, and either:
1) continue the tutorial, and send the Spanish volunteers at the same time I do - in other words, miss a few weeks fighting. The war latest 36-39 in real life, so there should be time. Once you've done it a time or two, you'll get the hang of it.
2) I'm going to do a separate video, just for the Spanish civil war, as many people are experiencing it at different times. I'll try insert it, outside the tutorial series, as a "if Spanish war starts early, watch this specific video."
Thanks again for your generosity, and giving me the prompt to address the Spanish civil war properly - together with the other comments regarding the similar issue, it's finally twisted my arm into addressing it properly!
hi man,
love your content, still dont really understand the factorys, maby take some more time to explain it next time ;)
also little mistake i noticed with muy eagle eye, its actully not 'her' (with one e). its actually 'heer' (with 2 ee's)
for the rest keep up the jolly good work mate, i adore you to the maxium amount possible
(btw are you married? if not im available ;))
You are gay?