i like the idea of crazy earl having a daughter that’s a siren. reason being why he needs so much eridium. as well as his need for as much privacy as possible.
I think my favorite bit of lore, is that Grandma Flexington was set to be a siren when Commandant Steele was killed, but she flexed so hard, that the tattoos flew right off of her hulking muscular frame. I wonder who got those tattoos...
@@cyrusmuller6502 No, it was only a skag. She got exhausted from controlling a skag. Plus, it can't work on the destroyer. It isn't really an animal that wants to survive. Only destroy.
Brick actually becoming a siren would be the absolute best thing ever. ALSO, don’t go down in this comment saying “but only females can be sirens!!!!!” Don’t care. Brick is the prettiest, and he deserves it.
True... Nobody counts down 4.3.2.1....every countdown start at 3, 5 or 10🤔borderlands 4 incoming and starts at this point, where the countdown in bl3 ends? 🤔
Nyriad: Do Not do any of the following Kill the Warrior Open the Great Vault Play with The Destroyer .......100 more do nots and FINALLY do not find the 7th! Vault Hunter: *Challenge accepted* *New Quest Acquired*
We already found the 7th siren tyreen She was the 7th remember up until this point the world's already seen 6 sirens that's the reason why Jack thought there were 6 he had no clue tyreen was around because she was hidden her strand of siren power has been trapped since the fall of the euridian meaning nobody's seen Her power so right now there's 7 but one of the 6 Jack was takeing about in borderlands 2 we haven't seen yet but it's not the one that she is warning us about She was warning about the siren with her own leeching power so we already failed in basically everything She warned of like you said challenge accepted And completed
Spoilers btw But pandora is now discovered to be a vault, meaning that 1. The "seventh" is an eridian who somehow survived 2. The "seventh" is a vault monster (counter to destroyer - due to it being to sealed away, there is no point for the supposedly named "creator" to be there so it is also sealed away too) 3. The first ever vault hunter (even before typhon deleon since the vaults have been around for centuries- it would be no doubt, impossible for say- one of the eridians to seek the power of the vault. 4. Im talking rubbish lol
it is possible that the seventh was sealed in the destroyer or at least the vault after all typhon destroyed a vault monster witch could of ben nyerad or contained her soul
Based on reading far too many scifi and fantasy novels, this is my theory: For the origins, my guess is that the Creator was torn into 7 fragments, which were embedded into 7 women as a form of containment(or unborn children, I'll leave that up in the air). Those became the Sirens, from the power of those fragments. This would explain their connections to eachother and how they are drawn to one another(being essentially one 'soul' split into 7 parts), the way Maya knows Nyriad's name (embedded memories), as well as the connection between them, these beings and the Eridian/vaults. And why their powers are transferred but remain the same, as they are essentially avatars of Creation. Bringing all seven together may be too dangerous as they are too powerful together. Perhaps they discovered the consequences of this combined power of all sirens together, possibly by a siren with time-based powers seeing the future or the Timekeeper, and she let herself be sealed away in a temporal prison. Or perhaps she found a way to use that combined power and was imprisoned by the others or the Timekeeper to prevent that from happening. My guess for her powers would be either mindcontrol, or time-control. The 'master' being missing from the titles you're given at the trials could refer to either being able to control and enslave minds, or a mastery of time. Mindcontrol would explain why many of the guardians show up as 'Possessed'. Is she taking control of them? A Siren that old would be the only thing left from that time who remembers the Guardians' and their purpose, and figure out how to control them. That comment from the Trial Of Instinct nags at me. "But will your reward be what you desire? A prisoner in a cell staring out at the fathoms of a sleeping universe". That wasn't a callous comment. It keeps going on about proving your worth to its 'masters'. It seems to suggest that this new master is imprisoned somewhere. The 7th Siren in her prison of time? Or maybe I've just read too much Scifi and Fantasy. 😂 On an interesting sidenote, the concept of the Destroyer and Creator reminds me of Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy, especially Ruin and Preservation.
i was thinking the same thing. alternatively. so we know shes in a vault, but, what if her vault is in the side dimension that lilith threw the great vault into? so now shes in there with lilith alive, and lilith can give her an escape route. also being stuck in liliths phase shift would mean she can see the universe but cant really interact with it. a prisoner watching the universe. ive got a few more but im too lazy to type them all out
Ya im a year late but. It could be that they are drawn together so they can reform into one. And if the seventh shows up then that's when they can form back into one being again and be (almost) unstoppable.
I can't believe I just realized the planet is called Pandora in reference to pandora's box in Greek mythology and the evil's trapped within AKA the Destroyer of worlds
there's lire references that this allone ;) but i allways thought it was called pandora because it contained the vault of vaults... not being the vault itself :D
What are the odds that the seventh isn't a siren, but a seventh galaxy? Lore refers to the collective universe as "the six galaxies." This might go hand in hand with the fact that Nyriad refers to Nekrotefeyo as "first landing," which means that it wasn't the true homeworld, but presumably the homeworld for Eridian settlers that split off from the main civilization. This would also explain the Overseer, the proving grounds, and how they were all a test for a "higher power." My assumption from all of this is that the war the Watcher was referring to was a war with the Eridian masters themselves. Now, that being said, I've also wondered that since there are six galaxies and six sirens, there's a siren for every galaxy. On the extremely off chance that they are linked, it could mean a seventh siren for a seventh galaxy? Who knows
You read the hell outta my mind sir. I just knew there weren't blaring "six galaxies" all through the game for no reason. I even thought "six galaxies, six sirens" much like you did.
I always love how they day that the destroyer is like this ultimate evil, invincible, strongest weapon or stuff like that but it always leads to a disappointing boss fight
@@santi_super_stunts2573 Everything about the destroyer is disappointing. The thing required a whole planet to be locked up but it could be beated by a single vault hunter. Would’ve been cool if it was a sort of team up fight with at least lilith and the other sirens to make it seem plausible that we just killed possibly the strongest creature in the universe
@@edgarharo7434 My current headcanon is that the "Destroyer" that we've seen is just...a part of it--not whole, in some way. Mostly stemming from the ending of BL3. Tyreen seemingly fuses with the Destroyer, proceeds to lumber around like a big baby, and gets clapped by 1-4 online multiplayer vault hunters; and yet, even after her--and subsequently the Destroyer's--death, the Great Vault continued opening, almost as if the gap it already created isn't enough yet for whatever it was meant to contain. If I were to make a box specifically designed and built to trap, say, a murderous robot hellbent on destroying everything, I wouldn't make it so that it could escape through a tiny gap in the box, and if the robot is as dangerous as I make it out to be, then it probably wouldn't have been taken out by my friends who came over for dinner unloading a glock magazine into it. There must be reason why, despite the Great Vault only just crackening, the Destroyer seemingly escaped entirely, free to move around and shoot fireballs all over the place. Maybe the Destroyer can detach parts of its body, maybe "The Destroyer" isn't one entity, but a legion, maybe we haven't actually seen what the Great Vault is containing. What sort of power, what sort of *creature* needs an entire planet to act as its prison? Or maybe it is just disappointing like you said because, you know, Borderlands 3 writing.
Cronus Titan ability is phase melt. Tyreens power goes to either a Titan or another Siren during death. When a siren dies a titan or another siren is born. Titans are male sirens
Part of me feels like the "7th siren" is actually phaseleech itself and outside that there are 6 other sirens and that is why we thought there were only 6 because the phaseleech was dormant long enough to be completely forgotten
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Considering the story was that the leech ability was locked away but typhon having a daughter on that planet passed the powers onto tyreen allowing the power to get loose
Playing Amara really makes a lot of the cutscenes make no sense. They keep jabbering about taking siren powers while you stand right there twiddling your thumbs
The fact the ending of the pre-sequel was pretty much ignored annoys me. Where is the watcher and Athena? Hell where's half of the bloody characters from the previous games???
Just to expand upon what Austin said. The ending of the Pre-Sequel was kind of expanded upon, Jack did his Jack shit, Athenas story continued and concluded in Tales from the Borderlands and (supposedly) the war the Watcher warned of has happened or is about to happen because of the Tyreen and Troy. It seems like The Watcher pops up when needed to steer events one way or another, we might get more in the future, I just take it that this game, like 1 and 2, the Watcher is just... watching.
Athena isn’t putting herself in risk, Fiona is off unconfirmed but that’s one Hunter to make up for Typhon’s inevitable death. Four hunters minus one Roland, gain 5 for BL2, Add 1 for Handsome Jack but then he died, Wilhelm, Aurelia and Nisha dead but Doppelgänger, Athena and Claptrap. Then 4 more in this game and Tannis and Ava, minus 1 for Scooter. Minus 2 for Kroger and Finch, minus 1 for Vallory and add 6 for Sasha, August, Rhys, Vaughn, Gortys and Loader Bot. They are building an army but keep losing soldiers my amigo do the math and decide if next game we have the possibility of a war but not this game. This is like RVB season 16.
@@starblazing1160 Borderlands 2 was a war between the Crimson Raiders and Handsome Jack and they had less Vault Hunters then. In this game the Crimson Raiders start off at rock bottom but as you progress you gain more support for the main objective, bringing down the COV and stopping Tyreen from opening the Great Vault.
When Amara enters the machine on Nekro she says "I feel a connection with something here that is very old". This is likely related as this would have been the same complex that Nyriad sealed herself within.
And yet she is almost never acknowledged as even existing along with the other vault hunters. This is so irritating and I don't even play as her. At least not yet.
Maybe the sirens are the fragments of the so called “creator.” Bits of his/her power scattered going from host to host until they all unite and is whole again maybe?
Was thinking a similar thing. What if the 6 sirens powers are born of the "creator" with the 7th being the creator itself, the source, now sealed away much like the destroyer. If the eridians sealed the primordial being of destruction and left the being of creation it would create inbalance in the universe.
Nyriad was the seventh siren. She explained that her powers the Phase Leech, would be sealed away on Nekrotofayo after her death because the universe would be better off without a leech. Which is how Tyreen obtained the powers and why Nyriad warned to never find the seventh.
I think so too, especley because if she ISNT the Seventh then how did the universe know there are 6 Sirens? Clearley this means 6 diffrent set of pwoers where observed in somwhat recent hystory ore Jack would have said there are always 5. Ther are 6 diffrent powers, and the Leech was the locked away Seventh.
But....but....but the Sirens powers are not vanishing they allways find a new vielder. After Nyriad sealed the destroyer she locked herself a vault maybe Typhon DeLeon and his wife opened the vault and Nyirad is the monster that they killed in the vault after that Typhon and his wife are sexed and this is why in Tyreen and Troy manifested Siren powers.
That's what I was thinking, that she doesnt want anybody to have her powers because she saw them more as a curse so she locked herself up and it was too late to get the other 6 to do the same so she said that they should never find her or her powers, or a second theory is maybe she took the seventh sirens powers and then trapped only the power itself inside a vault so nobody could find the seventh siren unless the power was released.
What if Nyriad "The Leech" was the 7th Siren. Think of it Jack said there were 6 sirens, but he didnt know Nyriad was locked away in the Vault on Nekrotephyo cuz no one but Typhon ever discovered the planet, and he never left it, only Tyreen (Who inherited the Leech siren powers) and Troy left either around or after Jack's Death
That was my interpretation, yeah. Which means we're still short on two of the original 6 Siren powers. Unless Commandant Steele had Trance before Amara, we still don't know what powers she had. Looks like there was a comic book that had another Siren, Asha, who could control animals. The cononicity is questionable, since apparently Clap-trap died in that comic.
The way she words it doesn't fit. She said don't find the 7th as if she wasn't. Also despite not wanting her powers out in the universe for personal reasons, its not like Phaseleach is THAT much stronger than other abilities for their to be such an ominous warning.
The way I interpret “you must never find the Seventh” is that Nyriad is referring to herself since she wanted nobody to pick up her thread and become the Leech, meaning there are now 7 powers on the loose unlike before Tyreen was born. My only other guess is that Nyriad had knowledge of the future, possibly through the relic in the Elpis Vault, and meant Troy as the Seventh since he’s the impossible Siren
@@MattGallagherComposer it’s definitely the most plausible interpretation since we have technically seen the 6 Siren powers, just not all of them in use since Steele didn’t do anything other than get impaled by tentacle-boi
Crazy Earl is the 7th Siren why else he would be collecting all the eridium. Edit: Finished the game and judging by how bad the writing was I won't be surprised if this actually happens 😅. Thanks for the likes
One idea has got me very interested in a possible "endgame" style last game for this series. The last siren is inevitably found and in their nigh infinite power, brings all of the playable characters and the new vault hunters together for the final game, including those who died, though more as copies of the real person since no one is strong enough to resist death. A massive group effort to bring an end to the sirens since most of the biggest baddies have been sirens(Steele, Angel(kinda), Tyreen and Troy(very)) and finally end the Vaults/Destroyer saga. I'm not sure how the Destroyer would be killed since its basically as big as a planet(Unicron style) but seeing as how we can damage it; it may one day happen.
I'm ok with it pre-sequel was fine for what it was a gap game with more focus on fun than actually being relevant to much of anything it had some lore but largely it was an excuse to fuck around while we waited for 3
Why do people shit on the presequel so much?? I loved it, and it actually explained what happened between B1 and B2 because there was a huge change between the two games
Aside from the fact that the seventh was probably Troy. Nyriad probably did the whole "I stole your powers" thing to the seventh and sealed herself away. Thus Typhon's Twin situation.
You mean the rule of twos? That every apprentice kills their master, or attempts to at least. Conveniently keeping their total population low and existence thusly mysterious and hidden from the watchful minds of the Jedi. Perhaps there is just a rule that when Siren's come together, shit goes down. Cus it's mostly been them getting killed, or killing each other or being used for nefarious purposes.
@@DekkarJr No, in Legends, they changed it, AGAIN. It was pre-Rule of Two, then Rule of Two, then they added Rule of One, because reasons? I guess? Legends is such a clusterfuck and so fucked up, it is very hard for me to even like more than just Mara Jade and Darth Talon.
I always thought that phaseleech was the 7th ability and with her being locked away meant that there was only 6 sirens in the universe. Also the reason to never find the 7th was because the sirens are drawn to each other that the phaseleech would absorb the other siren abilities and become an unstoppable being like the destroyer
Maybe the seventh siren is the being that's "opposite to the destroyer, but equally as terrifying." Someone Nyriad was forced to leech, but was unable to fully kill and needed to be imprisoned in a vault, locked out of time, in own contained space and hopefully, undisturbed for the rest of time. Maybe that's why Troy can empower his underlings and turn them into Annointed, as well as leech other Siren powers, he has a duality of the 2 siren's powers to an extent. We never see Tyreen empower anyone, just her ability to leech is present.
@@artemis5265 Troy is also the first male Siren so the rules maybe different for him, and he only found out he had powers after he succed maya's. The empower ability might have already been in him, and he just never tried to use it because he believed he didn't have it. He only became aware he could even use siren powers after he absorbed Maya's, and started to see what he could do with them. Maybe he just figured "oh, this must be part of new function of phaselock" when it was actually part of the 7th's powers Nyriad had leeched, and the power went into him and not Tyreen. Even after Tyreen succs Troy, we never see her empower any of her minions, just use the leftovers from what Troy had annointed. I doubt the case is just he found a new way to use an already established power. Either way, we gotta wait for dlc for anything close to an answer
It seems more likely that she was referring to herself when she was talking about the seventh siren. She mentions how she locked herself inside of the Vault of Nekrotafeyo soon after sealing Pandora. Seeing as that was thousands of years ago, so long ago that people had forgotten that the Eridians even really existed prior to Typhon opening the first Vault on Promethea. It would make sense that if her power was locked away for that long that nobody would know about her powers, so everyone just *thought* there was only six. They never knew about Nyriad’s powers so they never counted them. And seeing how Nyriad chose to seal herself away and said that “the universe would be brighter without a leech”, it would make sense that she would warn us not to find and open the Vault her power was sealed within. It would make sense that she wouldn’t want us to find her power considering what we’ve seen of the power she sealed away. It had the power to consume the very life force of people, it *did* end all of the Eridians, it can absorb Vault Monsters, and it can steal the powers of other sirens. Not to mention the very next person to have Phaseleech tried to open the Great Vault, absorb the Destroyer, and devour the entire universe. I feel there was ample reason for Nyriad to warn us not to find her Vault. Now with all that said, there is still something you failed to mention from the Eridian Writings. There’s one called “Secrets” that lists off Vault Monsters like “Graveward” from this game and “The Traveller” from Tales, but it also lists something referred to as the “Timekeeper”, which we’ve never seen before. Most likely just a DLC Vault Monster, but still definitely worth mentioning that we have another Vault Monster known by name.
There's a couple glaring flaws in this theory right off the bat. Nyriad along with the other known Sirens only adds up to 6 in total in terms of their power sets. Lilith has the fire and phase walking, Maya/Ava have the phase locking, Angel/Tannis have the technomancer type abilities, Amara has the Astral projection shit, Tyreen/Troy inherited Nyriad's leeching abilities, and lastly we had the main bad guy chick from the first game. That's 6 in total and that means the 7th is an entirely separate and unseen entity at this point and her powers are yet to be seen. Also Nyriad can't possibly be referring to herself especially since in her logs you find out exactly where she went. My guess is the 7th siren has something to do with Nyriad's comment about the Destroyer having an opposite. Maybe the 7th Siren, in the presence of the other Sirens, becomes an unstoppable force of creation.
@@valdew4710 I'm assuming that by creation they mean this being can potentially just straight up alter reality and essentially fuck everything up by creating a warped and fucked up version of the universe. Everyone in Borderlands is always at least a little insane and I doubt that doesn't extend to higher beings.
@@NebulaDark she had tattoos down her left arm, as I recall in the first game, there was a definite blue glow when she put the vault let in place, and the Borderlands: Origins comics confirmed her as a Siren (though not officially cannon)
There's also the idea that Nyriad DID succeed in chaining the seventh, and also chaining her own powers; it was just that Typhon unleashed them again by opening her resting place.
@@goldylocks1932 she means one of us as in a siren,it seems very unlikely because I see no evidence pointing towards it being her and she says it like it's a different person so that points to it not being her
"The story isn't what we thought it would be" Agreed, but there's literally 4 planned DLC that are supposedly acting as add-ons to the launch campaign. Chances are, the campaign we played was the set up, and DLC's 1-4 are all adding in bits to the story and will probably re-introduce Salv, Axton, and other characters (though lets not hope they kill off more characters that we FUCKING PLAYED AS... that shit still hurts Dx)
I felt this way too. The story was good in and of itself, but the whole importance of sirens, tacked onto the whole story, as opposed to borderlands 2's story of "stop handsome jack" it felt like there was WAY too much importance set on the Sirens for the DLC's to not elaborate upon them
Calypsotic Gaming dude this story was not good at all. The story arc and writing were so lazy. I love borderlands and it’s a fun game, but their story writing is trash 😕
They definitely should make the dlc a continuation of the main campaign or at least make it relevant instead of a standalone type content. We can hope anyways
It may be that Niryad did not say that we should not look for the 7 sirens because she is one and she locked herself in a vault becoming like a type of vault monster and if they release her a power will never be Stopped
@@mlaria2314 yes, an enormous bulbous eagle....she can fly. But the onset of Siren powers does nothing for her type 2 adult onset diabetes and now that shes ventured outside the mechanics bay where she keeps her insulin she just kept on flying and now she doesn't know where she is and she's lost in the clouds and shes seizing and dying horrifically 5000 feet in the air because she didn't take everyone elses advice that she should get an insulin pump installed before she started going places alone.
My guess, she was refering to herself. How the hell does the modern world get 6 if there isnt 2 more Sirens out there, 2 unknown, 4 known, Plus the leech, Seven. Never find her Siren power, never release the leech.
The Siren's are the Infinity Stones Lilith/Phasewalk- able to control space and time to move yourself or objects across distances- Space Stone Maya/Phaselock- Freeze/suspend objects in place regardless or gravity- Time Stone Tannis(formerly Angel)/ Phaseshift- alter and control any electronic object- Reality Stone Amara/Phasestance- summoning fists to pound people into submission or creating energy orbs/beams/projections to destroy- Power Stone Tyreen/Phaseleech- able to steal the living energy of anyone or other Siren abilities- Soul Stone Commander Steele- Unknown what her's is called but she keeps resurrecting herself in the comic series- Soul Stone In Marvel Comics the Infinity Stones were born when a individual named Nemesis died and split her power into 6 stones and scattered them across the universe. When combined the 6 stones grant a individual her power. There is a rarely talked about 7th infinity stone named the Ego Stone, which is her consciousness and only becomes active when used with the other 6 stones to resurrect Nemesis, which is the Ego Stone's main function is to resurrect Nemesis as it is her consciousness. The 7th Siren in Borderlands likely follows suit and it's Siren power is the ability to control all of the Siren abilities at once in one body(Tyreen and Troy could steal the powers but not use them as well as Lilith or Maya could.) That's why they can't find the 7th Siren, because if Siren's are all attracted to each other then all of them being in close proximity to the 7th SIren would resurrect her and give her back all of her power. If Nyriad was scared of the 7th Siren could be the opposite of The Destroyer; A creator. The Borderlands Universe is a mess and any creator with all of the Siren abilities in one body would likely wanna wipe it clean and start from a clean slate.
There was a siren in the borderlands comics who could control animals, but think she isn't canon and mind control results in the final stone: Mind Stone
I believe that somehow the 7th is still unclaimed, never linking into the braid because there is no person. Maybe the powers got increasingly cruel, like leech, so whoever was supposed to receive it first rejected it. Finding the seventh will introduce an evil beyond anything else, worse than leech, maybe something like a half death or possession. A fate worse than death type deal
The seventh Siren, the original one, is sealed in a vault. They are outside of time, so being sealed would not cause her to age. It most likely will be encountered in a DLC leading to the next Borderlands game.
@@ExiletheJedi I know I fixed it! It was 6 in the fucking morning! You think my mind was thinking correctly, so delete your comment please cause I fixed it. Thank you for the grammar correction but no need to be rude about it ok?! Thanks for understanding
@@NicholasJScott He wasn't rude in the slightest, if anything the people who insulted him right after were rude. And no there is zero excuses for that: If you're that tired you shouldn't be posting things in the first place.
Seeing this and your video on the "Timekeeper" What if that -is- the 7th siren? The vaults serve as holding cells. If the 7th siren is immortal, what better way to be immortal than have some control over time? So maybe the 7th siren is the timekeeper, held in some vault?
His ass was full of stars at one point and maybe the seventh siren died on one of those planets and claptrap's ass was the second thing to inhabit it, even though it was for a brief moment, he claimed the power of the seventh. Beware of general claptrap guys
@@patrickinaswagjumper he secretly leeched the stars with his ass and used a small phase lock to plug the hole making it look like it was his ass that plugged it. Let's hope claptrap doesn't lead a robot rebellion. Claptrap the invincible anyone?
Anyone think it’s interesting and weird that of all the sirens we know of that got their powers randomly as infants (Lilith, Maya, Angel and Amara) are all a similar age, implying that all of the previous owners of their powers died at around the same time... At the time of Borderlands 2, Lilith was 27, Maya was 27, Angel approximately 19-23 and in BL3 Amara is likely somewhere between 25-35 so in BL2 could have been 20-30. Steele may have been chosen, but if she wasn’t, she looked a similar age too.
@@thereaperyt1753 Nyriad mentions in one of the eridian writings that she had been offworld of where they all lived together at one point and then came back and her "sisterhood" was all gone and the place they used to live in together was just abandoned basically. But she seemed to suggest that something bad had happened.
Jarred Golden Yeah I didn’t know what word to use, I thought baby was wrong too but I guessed she was about 3. Toddler? Most 3 years old can speak, but she still didn’t seem to immediately understand what she had done was bad, so she wasn’t particularly smart/logical yet.
@@jarredgolden4744 it's quite possible angel had her powers as a infant. If I remember what tannis said during one of the missions her powers didn't manifest until the age of 3or4 when she accidentally killed her mother, Wich lead to Jack losing his S***
During the guardian's talks in the proving grounds they highlight 7 words, warrior, hunter, seeker, servant, adventurer, hero and guardian. I can match a Siren to 6 of the 7. The only one I haven't matched one too is Guardian so maybe that's the 7th? Just an idea.
FishyBeef Troy wasn’t a Siren. He was leeching power from a Siren. Part of the lore of Borderlands is that males can’t be Sirens. Tureen transferred powers to him and he took from her. That’s evident during the boss fight.
@@NrdDy Also part of the lore is that there's only six the lore is in the air. All you can do is read between the lines. It is PAINFULLY obvious that Troy is the Seventh Siren. All the mentions of him being a Siren to finding out that there is secretly a seventh point to him being a siren. There is also a loose parallel in the fact that Nyriad more than likely killed the seventh much like how Tyreen tried to kill Lilith cause they were conjoined. He had TWIN sirens.
@@NrdDy Basically what i am saying is to take everything you think you know about the lore from previous games (Excluding characters) and throw it out the window cause that's what they did with this game. It is all meaningless. We've been lied to.
FishyBeef We weren’t lied to. The knowledge that only six siren can exist at one time is knowledge from Handsome Jack who got the information from Angel. Typhon probably had two sirens as children probably (speculation) because his wife was a siren. Leda helped him discover vaults and defeat the beasts inside which (from what we know) has not been done without the help of a siren. When she died after their birth as conjoined twins, aka one body, her siren powers probably passed down to them. There’s too many echo logs and references of Tyreen stating Troy is a leech and that Siren heritage runs in the family and the simple fact that Sirens in Greek mythology itself are only females. Before Troy uses his powers he has to leech power from Tyreen or other Sirens. Obviously no one knew this new 7th siren information until now. It’s just new information that no one knew. Doesn’t mean they threw the lore out the window.
During the video it mentioned that she was the 'leech' and that she managed to hide her power away... in a vault.. that was opened by Typhon, and then it passed down again.
Could be Moxxi. Never seems to age, has been around sirens a lot. Edit: she's hot, loves putting the player in combat challenges much like the proving grounds.
I would've thought that she would've mnanifested her powers by now wouldn't you lol. Tannis hid hers for a long ass time for whatever reason, and always had sleeves on covering her tattoos. Moxxi ain't got no Tattoo's like the Sirens all do on their left arms.
The Leach Siren was all this time sealed in the Vault. But Handsome Jack allredy knew in BL1, most likely before Tyreen was born, that 6 Siren's exist. So couldn't it be that this 7th Siren is allredy known somewhere and running free?
Umm I'm pretty sure that Tyreen was alive before the events of the first Borderlands game. As far as I know there's a 10-year gap between BL1 and BL3, and while Tyreen is certainly young I think it's safe to say that she's older than 10.
@@cookiecat9716 That would still make Tyreen really young. Especially since she talks about trying to have sex with some of her bandits, i doubt shes below 18.
So according to the lore, Lilith must still be alive. If she is not her Siren powers go to someone else and the moon continues to be pulled into Pandora!
Wasn't Nyriad referring to herself as the 7th siren in the writings? Considering her ability (leeching), she probably thought that she could only do harm to others, and for that she sealed herself and died in the vault. Unfortunately (as you mentioned in the video as well) Typhon opened the vault and unintentionally had Nyriad's powers granted to Tyreen, who of course caused a lot of trouble later on (not to mention she almost destroyed the universe)
@@tommysuhlami6241 actualy. Typhon can read (some) eridian. As you are activating the machine that should seal the destroyer again. Thyphon translates some eridian writing which give instructions on how to open doors in your path/activate the machine. Also his wive could read some eridian (as said in the thyphon logs) and thus it is even more likely that thypon can read a lot of eridian.
@@Andre-od2sw Maya's death is all Ava's fault. Lilith killed herself without thinking about other possibilities such as combining the powers of her, Ava, and Tannis.
@@raversmiracle2 I don't recall it being explicitly stated anywhere that she died. In fact i think they even mention looking for her. Which would prove to be a fruitless effort if she was in fact dead. Edit: I'm of course talking about Lilith.
Claptrap makes a remarkable theory when you'll find parts of a claptrap in the vault of Nekrotafeio. He basically says that someone might have changed room and time since it was an odd place for a claptrap to be there. It might be a clue for a future lore of Borderlands because I don't think so that this dialogue was just random Claptrap-nonsense... Edit: He means the vault does not cooperate with the time and room of that specific universe. The theory that the 7th sirene does not age might be very reasonable then
@@blackheavymetalman and before that happened there was the myth of 6, meaning that her power would make the 7th once released from the prison. she never wanted another to bear the weight of being a leech to those around them
Rita Repulsa is the 7th, she'll come out of a vault and say something to the effect of "After 10,000 years I'm free, it's time to conquer the universe"
I'd like to think its Lindsey Stirling. PhaseThrall: just take Amara's confusion effect, but make it permanent, until you log off or switch maps. Only bosses are immune and has an unlimited amount of people that can be enthralled. She just steps out and plays her violin and enthralls everyone.
exactly what i was thinking, trapped in some long forgotten vault in a long forgotten part of space an evil eridian who is a siren could be an interesting plot
I'm still curious about Troy and Tyreen's mom, who was (probably) a siren herself. She could read Eridian, she knew where Nekrotafeyo was, and Typhon refers in one of his echologs about "Boom, Siren Girlfriend". We know that Tyreen leeched her, and so her powers probably resided within Tyreen herself (ie. didn't get transferred to a new owner). We also know that she recognized that they needed to keep Troy and Tyreen on Nekrotafeyo in order to keep them from being exploited. So, don't we already have 7? Tyreen: Leech+Mom, Amara, Maya, Angel, Lilith, and then probably Asha's animal stuff? Part of me thinks that the 7th is specifically referring to Troy, since the name "Siren" is implicitly feminine, he came up with powers that surprised everyone (anointing people, for one, and being able to leech from sirens other than his sister), and we know that the sirens went to great lengths to hide that there even was a 7th.
@@joshuagraham5750 most of the storys were trash with only the taken king being average and it seems they are doing the same with D2 and only with shadowkeep will we know if there departure from activision will break the cycle
I think we’re already past 7 vaults. Hell, there were technically four that we went into in 3, and even discounting the first vault from 1 due to an Eridian Writing calling it “a false vault” there was still one in 2, one in Tales, and one in the PreSequel. Not to mention the Great Vault itself.
The fact that Lilith had an association with Dionysus made me suspected that there were seven sirens. It made sense to connect the seven sisters of the Pleiades with all of the comparisons made to stars in the third game and in the origin comics.
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The seventh siren is brick
Lmao
"And she is the prettiest."
"I PUNCH HIM"
*Jazz is Playing*
Geek head no it’s claptrap
Nyriad: YOU MUST NEVER FIND THE SEVENTH
Us: lol let’s find the seventh
Henry Berrisford maybe a dlc it’s about the seventh siren
@@xblackangel1719 imagine the seventh Siren been a dlc playable character! Like two sirens playable but meh
@@NicholasJScott i thought gearbox said there is going to be no dlc characters in bl3...
@@suck_lord5000 that's why he said imagine
What if Gearbox said there wouldnt be any so people wont look into it and datamine for potential new character leaks?
i like the idea of crazy earl having a daughter that’s a siren.
reason being why he needs so much eridium.
as well as his need for as much privacy as possible.
That’s actually a pretty cool idea!
Perhaps his daughter controls living things... that’s why he ate the car.
There's one flaw to this theory, though. In the last DLC for Borderlands 2 there's a sidemission in which Earl and Marcus share a bunker for a while.
That’s actually such a good idea!!
hm
you’re right.
it could still be possible though maybe.
I think my favorite bit of lore, is that Grandma Flexington was set to be a siren when Commandant Steele was killed, but she flexed so hard, that the tattoos flew right off of her hulking muscular frame.
I wonder who got those tattoos...
Krieg. 😍😁💪
Where can I find this info??
@@randomheadshot4291 who cares it's canon and I wont hear otherwise
@@SilkKreep I care and very much want this to be canon in the story
@@randomheadshot4291 Allow me to correct myself.
*Who cares, it's canon.
Nyriad: "You must never find the Seventh"
Brick: "Haha. Dibs"
Her name is Brick
And she is the prettiest!
Brick: "I'm gonna punch it!"
Brick: “My Siren’s Name is Brick, and she is the prettiest.”
Lilith: You can't just call dibs on a Siren.
Brick: I said.... DIBS!
All these some good borderland jokes
If Amara dies, she should pass her power onto Brick
That would not be a seventh siren though.
Then he can be the prettiest siren ever!
Or they had a child
He already is a siren
@@Bound4Earth yeah it would if you count the playable character in borderlands 3
The 7th siren is Mr. Torgue.... THERE'S GONNA BE SOME EXPLOSIONS!!!! SQUEEDLYBAMBLYFEEDLYMEEDLYMOWWWOWWWWOWWWOWWWNGGGG!!! YOU ARE WELCOME!!!
Somehow this is totally believable. lol
Thank you thank you very much
So the seventh power is phaseEXPLODE?
Awesome
Phase nuke
EXECUTING EXPLOSION SHIFT
The Siren i feel sorry for the most is Angel she REALLY got screwed over.
No amara I mean Lilith is a pheonix, maya has black holes, twins can steal everything amara can finger her girlfriends with more than two hands wow
@@cyrusmuller6502 There's a siren in the comics that can control animals like Rack's or Skaggs. Now that is sad.
@@nanno2990 nah because I’m theory you could control the destroyer with that
@@cyrusmuller6502 No, it was only a skag. She got exhausted from controlling a skag. Plus, it can't work on the destroyer. It isn't really an animal that wants to survive. Only destroy.
@@nanno2990 I mean debatable about the destroyer but pretty sad about the skag
Brick actually becoming a siren would be the absolute best thing ever.
ALSO, don’t go down in this comment saying “but only females can be sirens!!!!!”
Don’t care. Brick is the prettiest, and he deserves it.
ThicBôî BigSmoke phase rock
Bruh that would honestly be sexy
Phasepunch
Phase punch
Queff hey why u copy me smhsmh
The 7th siren is just some dead chick with drawn on tattoos.
Well it was funny a few times but than it got annoying after a while😉
My room is starting to smell like blood and markers, quit it
Great reference
Well, I gotta admit it was mildly amusing the first dozen times you idiots tried it, but now my office smells like blood and marker fumes, so QUIT IT!
She's being kept in jacks cargo bay lost in space with the other dead chicks and marker fumes
The seventh siren is Clap-Trap
Doesnt age
Is powerful enough to completely surround COVs base
Ability is PhaseBrainBlast
Gives impossible quest
It's Moxie
but clap-trap cant climb stairs
“HELLOOOOOO TRAVELLER!”
Clap trap just wants you to think he can’t climb stairs. He’s really a god/siren
The seventh siren is actually claptrap. His power exceeds anything we could possibly fathom. He is just waiting to take over the universe.
Soon as his servos stop seizing lol
Another power inside Claptrap.
Me: "My time has come."
He has dubstep powers. Phasestep.
Oh claptrap and your plots for world domination, classic
Me, a claptrap main: i approve
"Continued in 4 " sounds less like a joke now, 3 seems like the build-up
True... Nobody counts down 4.3.2.1....every countdown start at 3, 5 or 10🤔borderlands 4 incoming and starts at this point, where the countdown in bl3 ends? 🤔
Might make up for the crap story of this one.
@@Schnix427 it started at 4 because it was a prank ending.
@@mysterspeedo8213 or was it?
@@mysterspeedo8213 they should've had you go through a fake credits scene.
Nyriad: Do Not do any of the following
Kill the Warrior
Open the Great Vault
Play with The Destroyer
.......100 more do nots
and FINALLY do not find the 7th!
Vault Hunter: *Challenge accepted* *New Quest Acquired*
That sounds like something zer0 would say
acetraker1988 I'm going do that all
Eh... list could be longer. Nyriad was at the end of her rope.
@@TurtleNutt they are both 5 syllables
We already found the 7th siren tyreen She was the 7th remember up until this point the world's already seen 6 sirens that's the reason why Jack thought there were 6 he had no clue tyreen was around because she was hidden her strand of siren power has been trapped since the fall of the euridian meaning nobody's seen Her power so right now there's 7 but one of the 6 Jack was takeing about in borderlands 2 we haven't seen yet but it's not the one that she is warning us about She was warning about the siren with her own leeching power so we already failed in basically everything She warned of like you said challenge accepted And completed
This idea that the Siren's are drawn to each other might explain why they are drawn to Pandora, she is probably somewhere hidden on or in Pandora
Spoilers btw
But pandora is now discovered to be a vault, meaning that
1. The "seventh" is an eridian who somehow survived
2. The "seventh" is a vault monster (counter to destroyer - due to it being to sealed away, there is no point for the supposedly named "creator" to be there so it is also sealed away too)
3. The first ever vault hunter (even before typhon deleon since the vaults have been around for centuries- it would be no doubt, impossible for say- one of the eridians to seek the power of the vault.
4. Im talking rubbish lol
Ross Mabon nah fam, SHE IS pandora
Oh shit I actually really like that idea.
And pandora is the destroyer ... Intresting concept.
it is possible that the seventh was sealed in the destroyer or at least the vault after all typhon destroyed a vault monster witch could of ben nyerad or contained her soul
Based on reading far too many scifi and fantasy novels, this is my theory:
For the origins, my guess is that the Creator was torn into 7 fragments, which were embedded into 7 women as a form of containment(or unborn children, I'll leave that up in the air). Those became the Sirens, from the power of those fragments. This would explain their connections to eachother and how they are drawn to one another(being essentially one 'soul' split into 7 parts), the way Maya knows Nyriad's name (embedded memories), as well as the connection between them, these beings and the Eridian/vaults. And why their powers are transferred but remain the same, as they are essentially avatars of Creation.
Bringing all seven together may be too dangerous as they are too powerful together. Perhaps they discovered the consequences of this combined power of all sirens together, possibly by a siren with time-based powers seeing the future or the Timekeeper, and she let herself be sealed away in a temporal prison. Or perhaps she found a way to use that combined power and was imprisoned by the others or the Timekeeper to prevent that from happening.
My guess for her powers would be either mindcontrol, or time-control. The 'master' being missing from the titles you're given at the trials could refer to either being able to control and enslave minds, or a mastery of time. Mindcontrol would explain why many of the guardians show up as 'Possessed'. Is she taking control of them? A Siren that old would be the only thing left from that time who remembers the Guardians' and their purpose, and figure out how to control them.
That comment from the Trial Of Instinct nags at me. "But will your reward be what you desire? A prisoner in a cell staring out at the fathoms of a sleeping universe". That wasn't a callous comment. It keeps going on about proving your worth to its 'masters'. It seems to suggest that this new master is imprisoned somewhere. The 7th Siren in her prison of time?
Or maybe I've just read too much Scifi and Fantasy. 😂
On an interesting sidenote, the concept of the Destroyer and Creator reminds me of Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy, especially Ruin and Preservation.
That’s a good theory mr
I like that. It’s not necessarily that the Seventh Siren is the big bad....but collecting all seven would unleash something terrible.
i was thinking the same thing.
alternatively. so we know shes in a vault, but, what if her vault is in the side dimension that lilith threw the great vault into? so now shes in there with lilith alive, and lilith can give her an escape route.
also being stuck in liliths phase shift would mean she can see the universe but cant really interact with it. a prisoner watching the universe.
ive got a few more but im too lazy to type them all out
Ya im a year late but. It could be that they are drawn together so they can reform into one. And if the seventh shows up then that's when they can form back into one being again and be (almost) unstoppable.
So basicaally the Siren’s are living vault key fragments
I can't believe I just realized the planet is called Pandora in reference to pandora's box in Greek mythology and the evil's trapped within AKA the Destroyer of worlds
Dammm
Well, fuck, lol.
It's also one of i believe Jupiter's (or saturns) moons
there's lire references that this allone ;) but i allways thought it was called pandora because it contained the vault of vaults... not being the vault itself :D
I realized that from bl1 ma dude.
It certainly is BIZARRE how Sirens are just drawn to each other. ゴゴゴゴ
Jojo....reference..... overload!!!!!!
_[sfx: menacing]_
Tannis: Are you approaching me Ava
SONO CHI NO SADAME
JOOOOOO
*JOOO!*
What are the odds that the seventh isn't a siren, but a seventh galaxy? Lore refers to the collective universe as "the six galaxies." This might go hand in hand with the fact that Nyriad refers to Nekrotefeyo as "first landing," which means that it wasn't the true homeworld, but presumably the homeworld for Eridian settlers that split off from the main civilization. This would also explain the Overseer, the proving grounds, and how they were all a test for a "higher power."
My assumption from all of this is that the war the Watcher was referring to was a war with the Eridian masters themselves.
Now, that being said, I've also wondered that since there are six galaxies and six sirens, there's a siren for every galaxy. On the extremely off chance that they are linked, it could mean a seventh siren for a seventh galaxy? Who knows
Very interesting concept 🔥
You read the hell outta my mind sir. I just knew there weren't blaring "six galaxies" all through the game for no reason. I even thought "six galaxies, six sirens" much like you did.
Your reasoning does have sound logic to it based on what we know.
Can’t wait for the dlc, cuz the roadmap says campaign story “add on”
A galaxy lost through a black hole...but the war begins with the 7th breaking through to corrupt :o .... idk cool theory though
I always love how they day that the destroyer is like this ultimate evil, invincible, strongest weapon or stuff like that but it always leads to a disappointing boss fight
They are the main villain but, I did all the side quests first
Dude and the destroyer was so small. Like the destroyer in bl1 is “bigger” than the bl3 tyreen/destroyer
@@santi_super_stunts2573 Everything about the destroyer is disappointing. The thing required a whole planet to be locked up but it could be beated by a single vault hunter. Would’ve been cool if it was a sort of team up fight with at least lilith and the other sirens to make it seem plausible that we just killed possibly the strongest creature in the universe
@@edgarharo7434 just more “tentacles and disappointment”
@@edgarharo7434
My current headcanon is that the "Destroyer" that we've seen is just...a part of it--not whole, in some way. Mostly stemming from the ending of BL3. Tyreen seemingly fuses with the Destroyer, proceeds to lumber around like a big baby, and gets clapped by 1-4 online multiplayer vault hunters; and yet, even after her--and subsequently the Destroyer's--death, the Great Vault continued opening, almost as if the gap it already created isn't enough yet for whatever it was meant to contain.
If I were to make a box specifically designed and built to trap, say, a murderous robot hellbent on destroying everything, I wouldn't make it so that it could escape through a tiny gap in the box, and if the robot is as dangerous as I make it out to be, then it probably wouldn't have been taken out by my friends who came over for dinner unloading a glock magazine into it. There must be reason why, despite the Great Vault only just crackening, the Destroyer seemingly escaped entirely, free to move around and shoot fireballs all over the place. Maybe the Destroyer can detach parts of its body, maybe "The Destroyer" isn't one entity, but a legion, maybe we haven't actually seen what the Great Vault is containing. What sort of power, what sort of *creature* needs an entire planet to act as its prison?
Or maybe it is just disappointing like you said because, you know, Borderlands 3 writing.
Gearbox doesn’t want us to find the seventh siren because she is actually a loot tink and they will have to release a hotfix if we find her
Tyreens siren ability is PhaseSUCC
Cronus Titan ability is phase melt. Tyreens power goes to either a Titan or another Siren during death. When a siren dies a titan or another siren is born. Titans are male sirens
@@redmacholroyd8585 hang on so it's like praying mantis's when they see each over they fuck and the female kills the male. Wow.
She's underage ;)
@@yellowblocky4909 actually it's unknown but i'm 99% sure she is an adult
@@yellowblocky4909 Pretty sure she's an adult. Creep.
The seventh siren is shootymcshootyface
Unfortunately ava didn't got his power
Was
Face mcshooty
Part of me feels like the "7th siren" is actually phaseleech itself and outside that there are 6 other sirens and that is why we thought there were only 6 because the phaseleech was dormant long enough to be completely forgotten
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Considering the story was that the leech ability was locked away but typhon having a daughter on that planet passed the powers onto tyreen allowing the power to get loose
*Brick, the prettiest siren of them all*
Or...the 'seventh' was just the leech all along, so Myriad's atrocities couldn't be replicated.
What I was thinking
Charlie C yeah I had figured that Troy was the “seventh” because he’s very much an oddity, even for sirens. A twin, red tattoos, and well, male
@@roastymytoasty1707 I'm pretty sure he's only a siren because he was conjoined to tyreen at birth
Kristofer bell yes that too
I was thinking that too, but then why didn’t she say “I’m the seventh siren, don’t find me”
Maybe the seventh is your coop partner who also chose Amara
Playing Amara really makes a lot of the cutscenes make no sense. They keep jabbering about taking siren powers while you stand right there twiddling your thumbs
@@Nerdonis so true. They talk in front of her like she don't exist
@@Nerdonis Well in the other games anyones character was never in the cutscenes... Lol
Yep and that sirens power is to be a clone of any Siren she sees first
The 7th Siren is Athena
"I WELCOME YOUR ATTACK, FOOL!!!"
Even if not, it'd be cool if Athena got Steele's powers...
I am SO down for that
Phase shield. And make an even more broken elemental skill tree
It’s the least atlas can do. At least give her some sweet ass powers. It would be cool to cause it would force Lilith and athena to become true allies
The fact the ending of the pre-sequel was pretty much ignored annoys me. Where is the watcher and Athena? Hell where's half of the bloody characters from the previous games???
Athena is a lesbian and married now she doesn't put herself at risk due to her wife getting upset
Just to expand upon what Austin said. The ending of the Pre-Sequel was kind of expanded upon, Jack did his Jack shit, Athenas story continued and concluded in Tales from the Borderlands and (supposedly) the war the Watcher warned of has happened or is about to happen because of the Tyreen and Troy. It seems like The Watcher pops up when needed to steer events one way or another, we might get more in the future, I just take it that this game, like 1 and 2, the Watcher is just... watching.
Athena isn’t putting herself in risk, Fiona is off unconfirmed but that’s one Hunter to make up for Typhon’s inevitable death. Four hunters minus one Roland, gain 5 for BL2, Add 1 for Handsome Jack but then he died, Wilhelm, Aurelia and Nisha dead but Doppelgänger, Athena and Claptrap. Then 4 more in this game and Tannis and Ava, minus 1 for Scooter. Minus 2 for Kroger and Finch, minus 1 for Vallory and add 6 for Sasha, August, Rhys, Vaughn, Gortys and Loader Bot. They are building an army but keep losing soldiers my amigo do the math and decide if next game we have the possibility of a war but not this game. This is like RVB season 16.
@Glen Dawe Scooter is also dead
@@starblazing1160 Borderlands 2 was a war between the Crimson Raiders and Handsome Jack and they had less Vault Hunters then. In this game the Crimson Raiders start off at rock bottom but as you progress you gain more support for the main objective, bringing down the COV and stopping Tyreen from opening the Great Vault.
We all know is the seventh siren is Buttstallion
you joke, but i wouldn't put it past gearbox and their fuckery lol. watch your joke be correct all along hahaha it would be so funny
@@itsyaboifranzi butt stallion was shot by derringer.
Yes
@@stealthysniper61psn58 AND PHASE ABSORBED THE BULLET!
@@grimm3995 then why did she bleed? A siren such as herself shouldn't have bled to a bullet if she "absorbed" it.
When Amara enters the machine on Nekro she says "I feel a connection with something here that is very old". This is likely related as this would have been the same complex that Nyriad sealed herself within.
And yet she is almost never acknowledged as even existing along with the other vault hunters. This is so irritating and I don't even play as her. At least not yet.
Nyriad was sealed in a vault not in the machine.
"My sirens name is brick and she is the prettiest"
Talk to the dwarfs king..
"I punch him!"
😂
Isn't it obvious the seventh siren is Krieg he can phase nipple salads
Lol
THE DAY OF THE TENTACLE HAS COME, REJOICE ON THE PURPLE FLUID!
I AM THE CONDUCTOR OF THE POOP TRAIN
Maybe the sirens are the fragments of the so called “creator.” Bits of his/her power scattered going from host to host until they all unite and is whole again maybe?
OntaiSenpai, So pretty much the Calypsos?
Edit: And the fact that they were leeching off other sirens
That_PIZZA_Drive exactly like maybe the leech siren is there to become or form the creator.
That’s some naruto tailed beast type shit
Sirens are eridian biological weapons
Was thinking a similar thing. What if the 6 sirens powers are born of the "creator" with the 7th being the creator itself, the source, now sealed away much like the destroyer. If the eridians sealed the primordial being of destruction and left the being of creation it would create inbalance in the universe.
Imagine borderlands 4 the whole main cast is a bunch of sirens
IllThunderJay Blue THATD BE AMAZING the full 6 siren team to take down the 7th
Hahaha borderlands 3 am i right
I would love that
I’d hate that
Nah. They'd have to acknowledge the players as having a major role in the direction of the story to do that.
Nyriad was the seventh siren. She explained that her powers the Phase Leech, would be sealed away on Nekrotofayo after her death because the universe would be better off without a leech. Which is how Tyreen obtained the powers and why Nyriad warned to never find the seventh.
I think so too, especley because if she ISNT the Seventh then how did the universe know there are 6 Sirens? Clearley this means 6 diffrent set of pwoers where observed in somwhat recent hystory ore Jack would have said there are always 5. Ther are 6 diffrent powers, and the Leech was the locked away Seventh.
The great vault never opened so the seventh siren is in the great vault and every siren was drawn to the great vault
So she seals her self in a vault and says the universe should never have another leach and warns against finding the 7th...shes the 7th siren...
This is what I've been thinking which is why everyone already knows theres 6 how can the lore be about 6 if the leech hasn't been around for forever
@@Drdrag0on i bet the 6th is like persuading people like how the borderlands 1 enemy siren had become a leader of a army so quicky
@@MaxSylv The 6th probably was Steele, seeing as how we didnt know her power before she died.
But....but....but the Sirens powers are not vanishing they allways find a new vielder. After Nyriad sealed the destroyer she locked herself a vault maybe Typhon DeLeon and his wife opened the vault and Nyirad is the monster that they killed in the vault after that Typhon and his wife are sexed and this is why in Tyreen and Troy manifested Siren powers.
That's what I was thinking, that she doesnt want anybody to have her powers because she saw them more as a curse so she locked herself up and it was too late to get the other 6 to do the same so she said that they should never find her or her powers, or a second theory is maybe she took the seventh sirens powers and then trapped only the power itself inside a vault so nobody could find the seventh siren unless the power was released.
What if Nyriad "The Leech" was the 7th Siren. Think of it Jack said there were 6 sirens, but he didnt know Nyriad was locked away in the Vault on Nekrotephyo cuz no one but Typhon ever discovered the planet, and he never left it, only Tyreen (Who inherited the Leech siren powers) and Troy left either around or after Jack's Death
Came looking for this. I'm pretty sure this is the intended reading
That was my interpretation, yeah. Which means we're still short on two of the original 6 Siren powers. Unless Commandant Steele had Trance before Amara, we still don't know what powers she had. Looks like there was a comic book that had another Siren, Asha, who could control animals. The cononicity is questionable, since apparently Clap-trap died in that comic.
2:56ish “OUR lives forever intertwined “ I believe this fits with your theory?
This was my thought. Or Troy
The way she words it doesn't fit. She said don't find the 7th as if she wasn't.
Also despite not wanting her powers out in the universe for personal reasons, its not like Phaseleach is THAT much stronger than other abilities for their to be such an ominous warning.
The way I interpret “you must never find the Seventh” is that Nyriad is referring to herself since she wanted nobody to pick up her thread and become the Leech, meaning there are now 7 powers on the loose unlike before Tyreen was born. My only other guess is that Nyriad had knowledge of the future, possibly through the relic in the Elpis Vault, and meant Troy as the Seventh since he’s the impossible Siren
This is how I've interpreted it since day 1. I really don't see how this is such a debate.
@@MattGallagherComposer it’s definitely the most plausible interpretation since we have technically seen the 6 Siren powers, just not all of them in use since Steele didn’t do anything other than get impaled by tentacle-boi
The seventh siren: Tiny Tina.
I am hoping hehe
Phase dynamite lol
I mean, Maya is dead and her phaselock can blow stuff up. It works out perfectly. Maybe too perfectly. 😮
Hey, you never know!
Mitei Hiro didn’t Ava get mayas.. never mind. Let’s sacrifice Ava so Tina can get phaselock
Me: *realizes all final bosses are “jobs”*
Also me: Wait a minute...
Blitz Fan haha I predict the ability to pick sides and change the story line in Borderlands 5. Imagine? Vault hunters vs Vault hunters occasionally.
Hold up a damn minute
@@Regulification you mean 4?
@@Regulification oh wait pre sequel but i doubt they would call it 5 instead of 4 since they called borderlands 3, well borderlands 3
Crazy Earl is the 7th Siren why else he would be collecting all the eridium.
Edit: Finished the game and judging by how bad the writing was I won't be surprised if this actually happens 😅.
Thanks for the likes
Hahaha, that's funny...
Oh my God.
Holy shit he has millions of eridium
you might've just done something
I mean he doesn't show his body much.
I made that joke to my friend earlier before seeing this, it could be true :o
One idea has got me very interested in a possible "endgame" style last game for this series. The last siren is inevitably found and in their nigh infinite power, brings all of the playable characters and the new vault hunters together for the final game, including those who died, though more as copies of the real person since no one is strong enough to resist death. A massive group effort to bring an end to the sirens since most of the biggest baddies have been sirens(Steele, Angel(kinda), Tyreen and Troy(very)) and finally end the Vaults/Destroyer saga. I'm not sure how the Destroyer would be killed since its basically as big as a planet(Unicron style) but seeing as how we can damage it; it may one day happen.
You know I feel like there’s going to be a presequel 2 before a borderlands 4
Shotgun93Alexander I would cry
Drum Gun we will see I just hope it doesn’t take another 7 years
I'm ok with it pre-sequel was fine for what it was a gap game with more focus on fun than actually being relevant to much of anything it had some lore but largely it was an excuse to fuck around while we waited for 3
Why do people shit on the presequel so much?? I loved it, and it actually explained what happened between B1 and B2 because there was a huge change between the two games
C.J. Davis I loved presequel a lot me personally and I don’t understand myself
am i the only one who feels like "the sisterhood" was referencing the seven sisters star constellation all along
What would've been speculation, seems likely now.
Kind of like The Stanley Subaru Scoop? 7 Sisters.
Peladies calling her home
Seven sisters she hears her seven sisters
Ohhh snap. She predicted the disaster that is Ava. She knew the 7th one would destroy the whole world...
You are the best source for borderlands lore right now. Dont ever stop.
Rip SupMatto. His lore shall be missed, but the mantle shall always be passed down.
Aside from the fact that the seventh was probably Troy. Nyriad probably did the whole "I stole your powers" thing to the seventh and sealed herself away. Thus Typhon's Twin situation.
till the goons come.... too soon?
darren trivedi as soon as he was blowing up too and everything goes to shit for him..
Amara: "Maybe next game you assholes will remember I'm a Siren!"
There you go being logical again...
I’m getting a real “the first rule of the sith” vibe rn
You mean the rule of twos? That every apprentice kills their master, or attempts to at least. Conveniently keeping their total population low and existence thusly mysterious and hidden from the watchful minds of the Jedi.
Perhaps there is just a rule that when Siren's come together, shit goes down. Cus it's mostly been them getting killed, or killing each other or being used for nefarious purposes.
@@DekkarJr No, in Legends, they changed it, AGAIN. It was pre-Rule of Two, then Rule of Two, then they added Rule of One, because reasons? I guess? Legends is such a clusterfuck and so fucked up, it is very hard for me to even like more than just Mara Jade and Darth Talon.
I always thought that phaseleech was the 7th ability and with her being locked away meant that there was only 6 sirens in the universe. Also the reason to never find the 7th was because the sirens are drawn to each other that the phaseleech would absorb the other siren abilities and become an unstoppable being like the destroyer
Maybe the seventh siren is the being that's "opposite to the destroyer, but equally as terrifying." Someone Nyriad was forced to leech, but was unable to fully kill and needed to be imprisoned in a vault, locked out of time, in own contained space and hopefully, undisturbed for the rest of time. Maybe that's why Troy can empower his underlings and turn them into Annointed, as well as leech other Siren powers, he has a duality of the 2 siren's powers to an extent. We never see Tyreen empower anyone, just her ability to leech is present.
Anointed still appear in the story after Troy's death
Leroy Likes Facts Tyree also absorbed him and his power after you beat him. Alternatively he could have made multiple anointed before he died.
Bruh he can empower his minions because he has mayas power and found a new way to use it
@@artemis5265 good point. maybe it's like mayas thoughtlock on steroids?
@@artemis5265 Troy is also the first male Siren so the rules maybe different for him, and he only found out he had powers after he succed maya's. The empower ability might have already been in him, and he just never tried to use it because he believed he didn't have it. He only became aware he could even use siren powers after he absorbed Maya's, and started to see what he could do with them. Maybe he just figured "oh, this must be part of new function of phaselock" when it was actually part of the 7th's powers Nyriad had leeched, and the power went into him and not Tyreen. Even after Tyreen succs Troy, we never see her empower any of her minions, just use the leftovers from what Troy had annointed. I doubt the case is just he found a new way to use an already established power. Either way, we gotta wait for dlc for anything close to an answer
It seems more likely that she was referring to herself when she was talking about the seventh siren. She mentions how she locked herself inside of the Vault of Nekrotafeyo soon after sealing Pandora. Seeing as that was thousands of years ago, so long ago that people had forgotten that the Eridians even really existed prior to Typhon opening the first Vault on Promethea. It would make sense that if her power was locked away for that long that nobody would know about her powers, so everyone just *thought* there was only six. They never knew about Nyriad’s powers so they never counted them. And seeing how Nyriad chose to seal herself away and said that “the universe would be brighter without a leech”, it would make sense that she would warn us not to find and open the Vault her power was sealed within.
It would make sense that she wouldn’t want us to find her power considering what we’ve seen of the power she sealed away. It had the power to consume the very life force of people, it *did* end all of the Eridians, it can absorb Vault Monsters, and it can steal the powers of other sirens. Not to mention the very next person to have Phaseleech tried to open the Great Vault, absorb the Destroyer, and devour the entire universe. I feel there was ample reason for Nyriad to warn us not to find her Vault.
Now with all that said, there is still something you failed to mention from the Eridian Writings. There’s one called “Secrets” that lists off Vault Monsters like “Graveward” from this game and “The Traveller” from Tales, but it also lists something referred to as the “Timekeeper”, which we’ve never seen before. Most likely just a DLC Vault Monster, but still definitely worth mentioning that we have another Vault Monster known by name.
Underated
There's a couple glaring flaws in this theory right off the bat. Nyriad along with the other known Sirens only adds up to 6 in total in terms of their power sets. Lilith has the fire and phase walking, Maya/Ava have the phase locking, Angel/Tannis have the technomancer type abilities, Amara has the Astral projection shit, Tyreen/Troy inherited Nyriad's leeching abilities, and lastly we had the main bad guy chick from the first game. That's 6 in total and that means the 7th is an entirely separate and unseen entity at this point and her powers are yet to be seen. Also Nyriad can't possibly be referring to herself especially since in her logs you find out exactly where she went. My guess is the 7th siren has something to do with Nyriad's comment about the Destroyer having an opposite. Maybe the 7th Siren, in the presence of the other Sirens, becomes an unstoppable force of creation.
@@ozairchishti1264 unstoppable Force of creation?
"Omg! Creator stop creating stuff! Why won't you stop creating!?"
@@valdew4710 I'm assuming that by creation they mean this being can potentially just straight up alter reality and essentially fuck everything up by creating a warped and fucked up version of the universe. Everyone in Borderlands is always at least a little insane and I doubt that doesn't extend to higher beings.
I think if that were true she would have said "don't find ME"
Steel’s powers: Phaseconvinience
Phase-disappointment-and-tentacles
I still dont believe Steele is a siren
@@NebulaDark she had tattoos down her left arm, as I recall in the first game, there was a definite blue glow when she put the vault let in place, and the Borderlands: Origins comics confirmed her as a Siren (though not officially cannon)
There's also the idea that Nyriad DID succeed in chaining the seventh, and also chaining her own powers; it was just that Typhon unleashed them again by opening her resting place.
What if there is no 7th
And it's just the leech siren once shes leeched all of the other sirens powers for herself. Takes on a new form (the 7th)
Jason Pena maybe is typhoon wife?
@@goldylocks1932 maybe. I thought she was the one telling us DONT AWAKEN THE 7TH!
Jason Pena i think nyriad is the 7th one bc “ one of us” “ our sisterhood “ maybe we meet her in a dlc
@@goldylocks1932 oooo, this is a good theory too
@@goldylocks1932 she means one of us as in a siren,it seems very unlikely because I see no evidence pointing towards it being her and she says it like it's a different person so that points to it not being her
I've got it on good standing that she is the prettiest
brooooo 😆😆😆😆😆 brick is life
"The story isn't what we thought it would be"
Agreed, but there's literally 4 planned DLC that are supposedly acting as add-ons to the launch campaign. Chances are, the campaign we played was the set up, and DLC's 1-4 are all adding in bits to the story and will probably re-introduce Salv, Axton, and other characters (though lets not hope they kill off more characters that we FUCKING PLAYED AS... that shit still hurts Dx)
RIP Maya
I felt this way too. The story was good in and of itself, but the whole importance of sirens, tacked onto the whole story, as opposed to borderlands 2's story of "stop handsome jack" it felt like there was WAY too much importance set on the Sirens for the DLC's to not elaborate upon them
Calypsotic Gaming dude this story was not good at all. The story arc and writing were so lazy.
I love borderlands and it’s a fun game, but their story writing is trash 😕
Salvador will be a raidboss
They definitely should make the dlc a continuation of the main campaign or at least make it relevant instead of a standalone type content. We can hope anyways
It may be that Niryad did not say that we should not look for the 7 sirens because she is one and she locked herself in a vault becoming like a type of vault monster and if they release her a power will never be Stopped
the seventh siren is just every single sirens powers and its Ellie
Would be hilarious but plz god no. No one wants to see a 500 pound woman sprout wings and tattoos.
@@DekkarJr She would be like an eagle, soaring across the sky.
@@mlaria2314 yes, an enormous bulbous eagle....she can fly. But the onset of Siren powers does nothing for her type 2 adult onset diabetes and now that shes ventured outside the mechanics bay where she keeps her insulin she just kept on flying and now she doesn't know where she is and she's lost in the clouds and shes seizing and dying horrifically 5000 feet in the air because she didn't take everyone elses advice that she should get an insulin pump installed before she started going places alone.
@@mlaria2314 Elephants dont negotiate. I mean fly......
Lillith is the Firehawk. Ellie is the ham hock siren
My guess, she was refering to herself. How the hell does the modern world get 6 if there isnt 2 more Sirens out there, 2 unknown, 4 known, Plus the leech, Seven. Never find her Siren power, never release the leech.
This comment needs more attention. What if she WAS the seventh?
First time hearing any of this but that is what I got
Maya firehawk tanis Angel and the calipso twins that's 6 the little girl from bl3 is the 7th
@@natpx7093 the guy is not a siren. He is a mutant who was twins with a siren. Only girls can be sirens
@@2chrisby my bad I left out amara
Sisterhood of the traveling powers.
Your joke was bad and you should feel bad.
*thumbs up*
Mr torgue is the seventh siren
WITH THIS POWER HE WILL FINALLY BE ABLE TO BLOW UP THE OCEAN!
I’d be asking the overseer to keep calling me naughty. That be my only reward.
The Siren's are the Infinity Stones
Lilith/Phasewalk- able to control space and time to move yourself or objects across distances- Space Stone
Maya/Phaselock- Freeze/suspend objects in place regardless or gravity- Time Stone
Tannis(formerly Angel)/ Phaseshift- alter and control any electronic object- Reality Stone
Amara/Phasestance- summoning fists to pound people into submission or creating energy orbs/beams/projections to destroy- Power Stone
Tyreen/Phaseleech- able to steal the living energy of anyone or other Siren abilities- Soul Stone
Commander Steele- Unknown what her's is called but she keeps resurrecting herself in the comic series- Soul Stone
In Marvel Comics the Infinity Stones were born when a individual named Nemesis died and split her power into 6 stones and scattered them across the universe. When combined the 6 stones grant a individual her power. There is a rarely talked about 7th infinity stone named the Ego Stone, which is her consciousness and only becomes active when used with the other 6 stones to resurrect Nemesis, which is the Ego Stone's main function is to resurrect Nemesis as it is her consciousness. The 7th Siren in Borderlands likely follows suit and it's Siren power is the ability to control all of the Siren abilities at once in one body(Tyreen and Troy could steal the powers but not use them as well as Lilith or Maya could.) That's why they can't find the 7th Siren, because if Siren's are all attracted to each other then all of them being in close proximity to the 7th SIren would resurrect her and give her back all of her power. If Nyriad was scared of the 7th Siren could be the opposite of The Destroyer; A creator. The Borderlands Universe is a mess and any creator with all of the Siren abilities in one body would likely wanna wipe it clean and start from a clean slate.
There was a siren in the borderlands comics who could control animals, but think she isn't canon and mind control results in the final stone: Mind Stone
As weird as it seems, I’m hoping either the DLC is all connected to the lore or we get a BL3 (Part 2)
Preferably if all the DLC is connected
I'd prefer the DLC part, just cause I don't want to wait another 7 years
I want one to be Kreig's war on Maliwan. The rest? Sure, connect that shit.
I believe that somehow the 7th is still unclaimed, never linking into the braid because there is no person. Maybe the powers got increasingly cruel, like leech, so whoever was supposed to receive it first rejected it. Finding the seventh will introduce an evil beyond anything else, worse than leech, maybe something like a half death or possession. A fate worse than death type deal
The seventh Siren, the original one, is sealed in a vault. They are outside of time, so being sealed would not cause her to age. It most likely will be encountered in a DLC leading to the next Borderlands game.
*we find the 7th siren*
Nyriad: am I a joke to you?
It’s “Am I a joke to you?”
If your gonna do the meme you got to do it right.
ExiletheJedi fuck you
@@ExiletheJedi I know I fixed it! It was 6 in the fucking morning! You think my mind was thinking correctly, so delete your comment please cause I fixed it. Thank you for the grammar correction but no need to be rude about it ok?! Thanks for understanding
@@NicholasJScott He wasn't rude in the slightest, if anything the people who insulted him right after were rude.
And no there is zero excuses for that: If you're that tired you shouldn't be posting things in the first place.
ExiletheJedi shut yo inbred ass up
Yamada & the Seven Witches, anyone? "You must never learn who the Seventh is."
i have no idea what this is xD pls explain further ? :3
@@xXSolutionSkill3rXx It's code for "Pizza Dog wants to mate with your slippers."
I loved this anime
I see, you're a man of culture as well..
maby its like 10 tailed from Naruto? 6 parts of 1?
Seeing this and your video on the "Timekeeper" What if that -is- the 7th siren? The vaults serve as holding cells. If the 7th siren is immortal, what better way to be immortal than have some control over time? So maybe the 7th siren is the timekeeper, held in some vault?
Claptrap is the 7th siren
His ass was full of stars at one point and maybe the seventh siren died on one of those planets and claptrap's ass was the second thing to inhabit it, even though it was for a brief moment, he claimed the power of the seventh.
Beware of general claptrap guys
I honestly want that to happen
@@patrickinaswagjumper he secretly leeched the stars with his ass and used a small phase lock to plug the hole making it look like it was his ass that plugged it. Let's hope claptrap doesn't lead a robot rebellion. Claptrap the invincible anyone?
...I love the Overseer's dialogue and voice acting something intensely fierce. So mysterious and ominous.
Reminds me of Frieza. Surprised Overseer doesn't appear behind you and one shots at the end.
Anyone think it’s interesting and weird that of all the sirens we know of that got their powers randomly as infants (Lilith, Maya, Angel and Amara) are all a similar age, implying that all of the previous owners of their powers died at around the same time... At the time of Borderlands 2, Lilith was 27, Maya was 27, Angel approximately 19-23 and in BL3 Amara is likely somewhere between 25-35 so in BL2 could have been 20-30.
Steele may have been chosen, but if she wasn’t, she looked a similar age too.
TaintedBrownjuice this needs to be noticed I think all 7 sirens where together and something very bad happened
@@thereaperyt1753 Nyriad mentions in one of the eridian writings that she had been offworld of where they all lived together at one point and then came back and her "sisterhood" was all gone and the place they used to live in together was just abandoned basically. But she seemed to suggest that something bad had happened.
Angel didnt get hers as an infant though. She was young, but not an infant. She was able to coherently talk and understand speech so at least 4
Jarred Golden Yeah I didn’t know what word to use, I thought baby was wrong too but I guessed she was about 3. Toddler? Most 3 years old can speak, but she still didn’t seem to immediately understand what she had done was bad, so she wasn’t particularly smart/logical yet.
@@jarredgolden4744 it's quite possible angel had her powers as a infant.
If I remember what tannis said during one of the missions her powers didn't manifest until the age of 3or4 when she accidentally killed her mother, Wich lead to Jack losing his S***
Borderlands 4: The Hunt For The 7th Siren.
The 6 sirens unite and yell out their gifts!
*By your powers combined..... I am CAPTAIN PLAN.... errr SIREN!*
Hmm. All 6 being key to the 7th feels right.
Lol! They've got to do this as a joke. Maybe they try it to see if it works.
HEART!
That is funny
During the guardian's talks in the proving grounds they highlight 7 words, warrior, hunter, seeker, servant, adventurer, hero and guardian. I can match a Siren to 6 of the 7. The only one I haven't matched one too is Guardian so maybe that's the 7th? Just an idea.
Ava, Amara, Emily, Lilith, Tannis, Tyreen and Troy is the seventh.
FishyBeef Troy wasn’t a Siren. He was leeching power from a Siren. Part of the lore of Borderlands is that males can’t be Sirens. Tureen transferred powers to him and he took from her. That’s evident during the boss fight.
@@NrdDy Also part of the lore is that there's only six the lore is in the air. All you can do is read between the lines. It is PAINFULLY obvious that Troy is the Seventh Siren. All the mentions of him being a Siren to finding out that there is secretly a seventh point to him being a siren. There is also a loose parallel in the fact that Nyriad more than likely killed the seventh much like how Tyreen tried to kill Lilith cause they were conjoined. He had TWIN sirens.
@@NrdDy Basically what i am saying is to take everything you think you know about the lore from previous games (Excluding characters) and throw it out the window cause that's what they did with this game. It is all meaningless. We've been lied to.
FishyBeef We weren’t lied to. The knowledge that only six siren can exist at one time is knowledge from Handsome Jack who got the information from Angel. Typhon probably had two sirens as children probably (speculation) because his wife was a siren. Leda helped him discover vaults and defeat the beasts inside which (from what we know) has not been done without the help of a siren. When she died after their birth as conjoined twins, aka one body, her siren powers probably passed down to them. There’s too many echo logs and references of Tyreen stating Troy is a leech and that Siren heritage runs in the family and the simple fact that Sirens in Greek mythology itself are only females. Before Troy uses his powers he has to leech power from Tyreen or other Sirens. Obviously no one knew this new 7th siren information until now. It’s just new information that no one knew. Doesn’t mean they threw the lore out the window.
I just realized the overseer is the voice actor of Envy from fmab.
Also, Lilith is Hawkeye (and Luffy and many other English dubbed anime/video game characters).
So of course that means in BL4 we totally find and awaken the 7th siren, thus plunging the universe into chaos. Go team!
What if Nyriad was the seventh herself? And she warned you not to find her because of her power?
This is what I thought
Exactly, why would her power be counted among the six everyone knows about in present day if it was intended to be lost to history?
During the video it mentioned that she was the 'leech' and that she managed to hide her power away... in a vault.. that was opened by Typhon, and then it passed down again.
That would make sense
@@JPerridew yeah but she could still be the seventh, she could have tried to warn us what happened in Bl3 opening of the great Vault
Could be Moxxi. Never seems to age, has been around sirens a lot.
Edit: she's hot, loves putting the player in combat challenges much like the proving grounds.
Noah Snyder i can’t even imagine how they would go about that, that’s crazy bruh.
I would've thought that she would've mnanifested her powers by now wouldn't you lol. Tannis hid hers for a long ass time for whatever reason, and always had sleeves on covering her tattoos. Moxxi ain't got no Tattoo's like the Sirens all do on their left arms.
@@DekkarJr yeah the tattoos are the only thing holding me from fully believing in it
@@DekkarJr She does wear a lot of makeup though
@@maxdavies97 😑
The Leach Siren was all this time sealed in the Vault.
But Handsome Jack allredy knew in BL1, most likely before Tyreen was born, that 6 Siren's exist.
So couldn't it be that this 7th Siren is allredy known somewhere and running free?
Umm I'm pretty sure that Tyreen was alive before the events of the first Borderlands game. As far as I know there's a 10-year gap between BL1 and BL3, and while Tyreen is certainly young I think it's safe to say that she's older than 10.
@@coreyfurtado5986 Bl1 to Bl2 is Seven years isn't? The same with Bl2 and Bl3
@@cookiecat9716 That would still make Tyreen really young. Especially since she talks about trying to have sex with some of her bandits, i doubt shes below 18.
The leach siren is cronus a titan
The events of borderlands happen sync with real life. Borderlands 1 released in 09, 2 released in 12 and 3 released in 19 that's 10 years since bl1
So according to the lore, Lilith must still be alive. If she is not her Siren powers go to someone else and the moon continues to be pulled into Pandora!
Wasn't Nyriad referring to herself as the 7th siren in the writings? Considering her ability (leeching), she probably thought that she could only do harm to others, and for that she sealed herself and died in the vault. Unfortunately (as you mentioned in the video as well) Typhon opened the vault and unintentionally had Nyriad's powers granted to Tyreen, who of course caused a lot of trouble later on (not to mention she almost destroyed the universe)
Maybe but maybe not
That.. Sounds.. Spot on. Typhon couldnt decipher any of these writings, so he was clueless.. Makes sense
Makes sense cause she didn’t want to be found
Isnt this what he said at 5:07
@@tommysuhlami6241 actualy. Typhon can read (some) eridian. As you are activating the machine that should seal the destroyer again. Thyphon translates some eridian writing which give instructions on how to open doors in your path/activate the machine. Also his wive could read some eridian (as said in the thyphon logs) and thus it is even more likely that thypon can read a lot of eridian.
so it's all Leda's fault since she wanted to "beat the monster"
all typhon had to do was wrap his willy and maya an lilith would still be alive. smh
Andre 3000 AND we wouldn’t have Ava, hopefully.
@@Andre-od2sw Maya's death is all Ava's fault. Lilith killed herself without thinking about other possibilities such as combining the powers of her, Ava, and Tannis.
@@raversmiracle2 I don't recall it being explicitly stated anywhere that she died. In fact i think they even mention looking for her. Which would prove to be a fruitless effort if she was in fact dead. Edit: I'm of course talking about Lilith.
Lilith is not dead
Claptrap makes a remarkable theory when you'll find parts of a claptrap in the vault of Nekrotafeio. He basically says that someone might have changed room and time since it was an odd place for a claptrap to be there. It might be a clue for a future lore of Borderlands because I don't think so that this dialogue was just random Claptrap-nonsense...
Edit: He means the vault does not cooperate with the time and room of that specific universe. The theory that the 7th sirene does not age might be very reasonable then
Vector472 in the bl comic theres a siren that can control beasts and has a claptrap companion who died
@@fooly1 Comics aren't canon.
The seventh is Troy. Ava, Amara, Emily, Lilith, Tannis, Tyreen with Troy being the Seventh.
FishyBeef nope
@@devildnevercry who the fck is Emily 😂
Before, finding a siren or having a siren power was so rare, now its like you can pick it up in a random trash can.
soooooooo tina!
It was my understanding that the 7th was Nyriad herself.
White Wolf same
tyreen got her leech powers tho.
@@blackheavymetalman and before that happened there was the myth of 6, meaning that her power would make the 7th once released from the prison. she never wanted another to bear the weight of being a leech to those around them
@@alexanderbash1272 Yeah but seeing as we kill tyreen quite easily I highly doubt its the calamity the 7th will bring
dont forget who tells the story of borderlands. marcus is the seventh, he even know whats exactly happens in kriegs mind
Rita Repulsa is the 7th, she'll come out of a vault and say something to the effect of "After 10,000 years I'm free, it's time to conquer the universe"
I'd like to think its Lindsey Stirling. PhaseThrall: just take Amara's confusion effect, but make it permanent, until you log off or switch maps. Only bosses are immune and has an unlimited amount of people that can be enthralled. She just steps out and plays her violin and enthralls everyone.
Hear me out. The 7th siren is the last living eridian
exactly what i was thinking, trapped in some long forgotten vault in a long forgotten part of space an evil eridian who is a siren could be an interesting plot
@@YOGI-kb9tg dlc
Didact flashbacks
hmm if nyriad came before the eridians then i would guess the 7th came before them aswell since they are more powerful. just a guess
Moonboy900 Alex Hurst hear me out the destroyer is the 7th siren
I'm still curious about Troy and Tyreen's mom, who was (probably) a siren herself. She could read Eridian, she knew where Nekrotafeyo was, and Typhon refers in one of his echologs about "Boom, Siren Girlfriend". We know that Tyreen leeched her, and so her powers probably resided within Tyreen herself (ie. didn't get transferred to a new owner). We also know that she recognized that they needed to keep Troy and Tyreen on Nekrotafeyo in order to keep them from being exploited. So, don't we already have 7? Tyreen: Leech+Mom, Amara, Maya, Angel, Lilith, and then probably Asha's animal stuff?
Part of me thinks that the 7th is specifically referring to Troy, since the name "Siren" is implicitly feminine, he came up with powers that surprised everyone (anointing people, for one, and being able to leech from sirens other than his sister), and we know that the sirens went to great lengths to hide that there even was a 7th.
You spend 13 minutes just saying, "the seventh siren was too dangerous, so her sisters locked-her away somewhere."
This is better than Borderlands 3s story
that tends to be the case with these games from destiny to borderlands the main story is meh but the lore to sill the spaces ends up being much better
HiiPER MaaDMaan Destiny 1 had a decent set of stories
@@joshuagraham5750 most of the storys were trash with only the taken king being average and it seems they are doing the same with D2 and only with shadowkeep will we know if there departure from activision will break the cycle
@@joshuagraham5750 It really didn't
Majority of people don't play a LOOT shooter, for the compelling, intricate story...
The seventh could be pretty much anything, siren, galaxy, vault etc
well yes, but actually no
all the above
I think we’re already past 7 vaults. Hell, there were technically four that we went into in 3, and even discounting the first vault from 1 due to an Eridian Writing calling it “a false vault” there was still one in 2, one in Tales, and one in the PreSequel. Not to mention the Great Vault itself.
darren trivedi you forget about the literal map the pointed to hundred of vaults across the galaxies?
darren trivedi don’t forget the dlc’s as the Torgue dlc also had a vault as well
The fact that Lilith had an association with Dionysus made me suspected that there were seven sirens. It made sense to connect the seven sisters of the Pleiades with all of the comparisons made to stars in the third game and in the origin comics.
If anybody played assassins creed Nyriads voice sounds exactly like Junos
It's in the same universe. The 7th galaxy is the Milky Way.
“This was an epitaph”-
*KING CRIMSOON!*
The seventh is stuck in an infinite deathloop.
@@arnantphongsatha7906 their gonna have a golden experiance
It's the R-word
Retconning.
the antithesis of handsome jack is obviously pretty brick, the clues the writers have been leaving for us all along.
The last siren is on Pandora, she's just stuck in Ellie's belly fold.
Ain't you a heartbreaker