Really love this… as a +2 handicap I would love to get dialed in with Trottie… I really wish the guys that do fittings else where had some training or certification that they were trained by Trottie. It’s night and day… Here are challenges I see from club fitters: 1) they are not always good players 2) they put you gear they like 3) you are testing indoors with range balls 4) range balls fly 20% less distance 5) need to be hitting balls off grass with actual ball you play Otherwise all this data is not helpful I have at least a handful of friends that have got fitted at a facility and In my opinion got the wrong shaft and clubs that I could pretty much fit just eyeball in the ball flight . I believe it is for all these reasons above Thoughts?
Range balls do not carry 20% less distance. Not sure why I hear that so often. I find that range balls (several different courses over years) are rather close to my ProV1x balls (this is from courses in Arizona/Nevada/Idaho). Range balls tend to be a bit spinny but have never seen anything the likes of 20% shorter. I find that when people hit indoors, in a 'fitting', with a launch monitor, they typically say 'oh i hit farther than that', but guess what....they probably don't. I can carry a driver 290 outdoors, and guess what, same with just about any ball indoors on a trackman. What you hear is 'i carry 300 on the range/course but that indoor range ball and trackman was only showing 240 which we KNOW is wrong....' - probably not. I do believe testing clubs off the grass, with your normal ball, is the best way to test new clubs for sure.
@@Ifishmo yeah 20% is an exaggeration but it depends on the condition of range balls … sure a brand new range ball will carry about 10-15 yards less than a premium ball on longer clubs but if balls are old or beat up it’s purely for warm up. At torrey balls are older I hit a full sand wedge 100 yard no problem… with range ball carries 90 on a good one. 8 iron 140 vs 155 etc If I am practicing driver on range I am hitting 10 good balls I found on the course so I can get a better feel for flight and carry etc
Good topic of conversation and I definitely think the whole consumer fitting process is a bit of a mine field. Trying to educate and inform as much as possible through TH-cam but certainly room to do more bespoke stuff. I like the energy and where your mind is at 👍🏻
@Ifishmo depends on what kind of range ball you are using. If its a 2 piece ball thats marked with "Range" or "practice" and its not a titleist or a taylormade its generally junk. A couple ranges near me use balls that get me nowhere near my distance. 260-270 driver vs 285-295. Generally 10-15 yards on irons. If its a real ball thats a second from the major brands its not a "range" ball to me.
had a fitting today and my mind was set on the full set 770s. Out of curiosity i tried the CBs. From the first shot on they felt unreal and they were more forgiving than i thought. I could not not get them. I went with P-8 in CB and 7-4 in 770. Im so excited.
I’m ordering a 7 iron in P7cb this week. Gonna build up a new set over the winter, so I wanna play around with a 7 in the cab, to figure out if I should split there.
Do you like to fit lie angles based on misses/shot shape, or is it better to make the club go as level as possible through the ground? Seems interesting his 5 iron is more upright than 6 iron and then back to flatter in the 4
Depends on the number of the club but I do a combo of all and then at the top and the bottom ends I'll do misses. Hence the 4 flatten off and often the wedge will flatten off.... player and fit dependent of course
While most TH-cam videos these days are way too long, this one I could have watched for hours. Love the Trottie fits and with Danny Rap? Yes please! I know he gets a lot of hate but I've always liked him. Barstools loss!
Trottie, would you know where I could get head weight specs for the 2023 P790 heads? And in your experience do you prefer holt melt, lead tape, or tip weights building your clubs? Appreciate your content man.
Love trottie making fun of long fitting 6:30. Another great example of getting the messaging to the individual. Just love the directness with every fitting.
Hey Trottie! Long time watcher first time commentor wondering if you could elude as to whether or not "Pureing the shaft" is a gimmick to extract extra money out of customers or if its a worthwhile investment ? Wanting to get the top end of my bag fitted but don't want to spend un necessary money lol. Love the content keep it coming!
Thx for the question When asking the direct question to the engineers at TaylorMade they will say "no" .....BUT if you watch the spine process happen then it's hard to think it can't make some kind of impact on ball flight, especially on an off center strike. In addition I know Tiger spines his iron shafts. So read into that what you wish. Personally I never rely on it on tour but if a player requests it then obv I make it happen with no concerns.
I just got my P7CB and P770 combo set! I am noticing the clubs are much lighter compared to the 2022/2023 P7MCs. How much weight did TM engineers shave off relative to p7mcs to alter the CG?
@@chulhunchang I have no idea what the process is. You’d have to connect with TM. Obvious question but you need to be checking the clubs on the same swing weight machine & then certain your old set are not overweight and the new set correct.
@@angellisojo3743 what’s your average score? Change the grips every 6 months and scrub them soap and water monthly. I think 3-4 years is good shelf life on irons but hey if your ball flight is great and consistent why upgrade. I was playing 770 irons for 9 months… tried 790s and immediately traded them in. I am a + 2 handicap and the 790 are a game changer. Look good but feel good and easy too hit… so forgiving
@@geoffreycheeping3902 nope. I would take a scratch player out for 9 holes and they will eye ball better specs than these muppets at these fitting centers. I have a few friends that got fitted and they hit their irons in the clouds … can’t flight it and they are scratch players.they are so scared to put a good player in x100 so they go with s300
loft is decided by spin numbers or if you're looking for a certain distance. lie is based on your miss. if your miss right go upright. if you miss left go more flat .
@@mikerogers1949 i actually have had the 790s since 2021 - at a place in my game where I feel I could go a little less forgiving and try to get some more workability - just feel like us normals kinda miss out on clubs that could fit our exact game by just your standard fitting
@@champg16 the newest 790s are an upgrade from what you have. Even top pga tour pros hit one shot shape and only move it the other way if they have to. Even Morikawa avoids a draw! Unless you are hitting more than 14/18 greens per round you want more forgiving! The new 790s can easily be shaped. If you do decide on different clubs hold on to your 790s for 6 months
@@trottiegolf thank you. Any advice on what to look for in a fitting to be confident there doing it right. I have only ever had one fitting. Guy didn’t seem interested from the off and irons never felt comfortable. Felt to short and I was also crouched over
@@Gra8332 well worth diving into my Fitting Playlist on here. Golf ball is important, that needs to be discussed early. FITR must ensure you get to hit anything that you have an interest in hitting, regardless if it's right it's also your fitting to try. Good communication and understanding of the launch monitor numbers but a constant respect for the ball flight. Low ball count and attention to detail on center strikes over toe or heel misses.
Yes I’ve explained this a few times now. Nike changed their position in golf , I used to be connected with Adi when they owned taylormade. Reconnected with an old friend 👍🏻
Dan is a journalist now connected with the PGA Tour. He’s a + golfer & formally with ForePlay , connected to Barstool. All big channels within the golf media space. Obv Nelly & a co are fantastic but sometimes not relatable to the average viewer. More players will be back, just mixing it up.
People get easily hyped, brands know that really well. I'm a pro, I've tried these irons, both of them, they're ok, but... People are paying 1500/1700 EUR for these in my country, they're not worth it, not at all, we're getting deep throated by brand's marketing and influencers who are trying to convince these bring something really new to the table. Well, they don't. They're ok. It's just clubs, if we listen to brands, we'd have won 150 yards in average on our drives since the big bertha first gen, but we didn't, basically they've put longer and lighter shafts and we won distance this way, the club heads aren't even that much of a progress in tolerance compared to what brands try to force us into thinking. Btw people : combo sets fucking suck, do not fall for it.
@@tg5298 Taylormade are the leader in the industry- all the technology is mimicked by all the other manufacturers and repackaged. Callaway is solid company too. Curious what irons you think are good? No offense but this comment is like saying Ferrari and Porsche are crappy cars
I’ve worked at TaylorMade on tour for 20 yrs. See beyond and as intended. TM make amazing stuff but you are free to combo any set as you see fit. A lot of good info in this video , that will help you with any set. Obv for me I think TM are great so take it as you wish 👍🏻
@@tg5298 totally disagree… of course he shows off new product but I bet you a 1000 push ups you can’t find a better channel that gives this much valuable intelligence on club fitting. Nobody comes close to Trottie.. nobody
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Really love this… as a +2 handicap I would love to get dialed in with Trottie… I really wish the guys that do fittings else where had some training or certification that they were trained by Trottie. It’s night and day…
Here are challenges I see from club fitters:
1) they are not always good players
2) they put you gear they like
3) you are testing indoors with range balls
4) range balls fly 20% less distance
5) need to be hitting balls off grass with actual ball you play
Otherwise all this data is not helpful
I have at least a handful of friends that have got fitted at a facility and In my opinion got the wrong shaft and clubs that I could pretty much fit just eyeball in the ball flight .
I believe it is for all these reasons above
Thoughts?
Range balls do not carry 20% less distance. Not sure why I hear that so often. I find that range balls (several different courses over years) are rather close to my ProV1x balls (this is from courses in Arizona/Nevada/Idaho). Range balls tend to be a bit spinny but have never seen anything the likes of 20% shorter. I find that when people hit indoors, in a 'fitting', with a launch monitor, they typically say 'oh i hit farther than that', but guess what....they probably don't. I can carry a driver 290 outdoors, and guess what, same with just about any ball indoors on a trackman. What you hear is 'i carry 300 on the range/course but that indoor range ball and trackman was only showing 240 which we KNOW is wrong....' - probably not. I do believe testing clubs off the grass, with your normal ball, is the best way to test new clubs for sure.
@@Ifishmo yeah 20% is an exaggeration but it depends on the condition of range balls … sure a brand new range ball will carry about 10-15 yards less than a premium ball on longer clubs but if balls are old or beat up it’s purely for warm up.
At torrey balls are older I hit a full sand wedge 100 yard no problem… with range ball carries 90 on a good one. 8 iron 140 vs 155 etc
If I am practicing driver on range I am hitting 10 good balls I found on the course so I can get a better feel for flight and carry etc
Good topic of conversation and I definitely think the whole consumer fitting process is a bit of a mine field.
Trying to educate and inform as much as possible through TH-cam but certainly room to do more bespoke stuff.
I like the energy and where your mind is at 👍🏻
@@mikerogers1949 exactly what I was getting at in my comment
@Ifishmo depends on what kind of range ball you are using. If its a 2 piece ball thats marked with "Range" or "practice" and its not a titleist or a taylormade its generally junk.
A couple ranges near me use balls that get me nowhere near my distance. 260-270 driver vs 285-295.
Generally 10-15 yards on irons.
If its a real ball thats a second from the major brands its not a "range" ball to me.
had a fitting today and my mind was set on the full set 770s. Out of curiosity i tried the CBs. From the first shot on they felt unreal and they were more forgiving than i thought. I could not not get them. I went with P-8 in CB and 7-4 in 770. Im so excited.
2 of the best, how can you take a few minutes to listen and watch and learn something.loved it. ty boys ,enjoy the round.
Work smart not hard. A fitter who has an approach in line with my mindset. Bravo
i would KILL to even get to talk golf with either of these guys. they are so damn knowledgeable!
“Obviously not my clubs”..
Trottie, you kill me!
I’m ordering a 7 iron in P7cb this week. Gonna build up a new set over the winter, so I wanna play around with a 7 in the cab, to figure out if I should split there.
Strongly thinking of combo set
Been waitin for this
went to the Superstore today and tried the 770s and CB’s. holly shit the CB’s are pure butter. softer than my mizuno’s 921 tour. take my money. lol
I couldn’t do it with that big arse iPhone in my pocket! Great video Trottie!🙏
Do you like to fit lie angles based on misses/shot shape, or is it better to make the club go as level as possible through the ground? Seems interesting his 5 iron is more upright than 6 iron and then back to flatter in the 4
Depends on the number of the club but I do a combo of all and then at the top and the bottom ends I'll do misses. Hence the 4 flatten off and often the wedge will flatten off.... player and fit dependent of course
While most TH-cam videos these days are way too long, this one I could have watched for hours. Love the Trottie fits and with Danny Rap? Yes please! I know he gets a lot of hate but I've always liked him.
Barstools loss!
Trottie, would you know where I could get head weight specs for the 2023 P790 heads? And in your experience do you prefer holt melt, lead tape, or tip weights building your clubs? Appreciate your content man.
Tip weights but I do not know where you can get those from. Sorry
Love trottie making fun of long fitting 6:30. Another great example of getting the messaging to the individual. Just love the directness with every fitting.
Hey Trottie!
Long time watcher first time commentor wondering if you could elude as to whether or not "Pureing the shaft" is a gimmick to extract extra money out of customers or if its a worthwhile investment ?
Wanting to get the top end of my bag fitted but don't want to spend un necessary money lol.
Love the content keep it coming!
Thx for the question
When asking the direct question to the engineers at TaylorMade they will say "no" .....BUT if you watch the spine process happen then it's hard to think it can't make some kind of impact on ball flight, especially on an off center strike.
In addition I know Tiger spines his iron shafts. So read into that what you wish.
Personally I never rely on it on tour but if a player requests it then obv I make it happen with no concerns.
I want this fitting in which lie adjustments are so precise and no one I know will do this!
I just got my P7CB and P770 combo set!
I am noticing the clubs are much lighter compared to the 2022/2023 P7MCs. How much weight did TM engineers shave off relative to p7mcs to alter the CG?
@@chulhunchang check the swing weights ASAP
th-cam.com/video/Ww2GaXSEX9Q/w-d-xo.html
@@trottiegolf I did they measure at d0 3 points lighter. Is that okay? I was thinking it should be at d3
@@chulhunchang there within lies the problem
@@trottiegolf should I send it back to have it fixed by tayloemade?
@@chulhunchang I have no idea what the process is. You’d have to connect with TM. Obvious question but you need to be checking the clubs on the same swing weight machine & then certain your old set are not overweight and the new set correct.
you ever do giveaways of their old clubs?
no but I do have a cool GIVEAWAY coming up
Is it just me or would these two work great in a buddy buddy cop show
If you play twice a week almost all year, how often should you change your irons?
Until they break or until you think paying for new ones is worth the improvement they might bring.
@@angellisojo3743 what’s your average score? Change the grips every 6 months and scrub them soap and water monthly.
I think 3-4 years is good shelf life on irons but hey if your ball flight is great and consistent why upgrade. I was playing 770 irons for 9 months… tried 790s and immediately traded them in.
I am a + 2 handicap and the 790 are a game changer. Look good but feel good and easy too hit… so forgiving
why higher lie angle on the 5 iron than 6 iron?
Can't get that kind of fitting at the local golf galaxy
@@geoffreycheeping3902 nope. I would take a scratch player out for 9 holes and they will eye ball better specs than these muppets at these fitting centers. I have a few friends that got fitted and they hit their irons in the clouds … can’t flight it and they are scratch players.they are so scared to put a good player in x100 so they go with s300
The fact Riggs thinks he’s anywhere near this handicap 😂😂😂
Trotty how does a fitter decide a loft and lie for a player? Looking to go all 770 or combo but wouldn’t even know what to look for in that first step
loft is decided by spin numbers or if you're looking for a certain distance. lie is based on your miss. if your miss right go upright. if you miss left go more flat .
Dive into my fitting vids and it’ll give you more intel. Ultimately it’s gonna be based on your tendencies
@@champg16 try 790s too… I had 770s they are nice but 790 imo were far more forgiving
@@mikerogers1949 i actually have had the 790s since 2021 - at a place in my game where I feel I could go a little less forgiving and try to get some more workability - just feel like us normals kinda miss out on clubs that could fit our exact game by just your standard fitting
@@champg16 the newest 790s are an upgrade from what you have. Even top pga tour pros hit one shot shape and only move it the other way if they have to. Even Morikawa avoids a draw! Unless you are hitting more than 14/18 greens per round you want more forgiving! The new 790s can easily be shaped. If you do decide on different clubs hold on to your 790s for 6 months
I would love to get fitted!
What shaft?
KBS Tour I believe
What irons can change a very average 45 year old golfer into a better golfer
takomo 101s, as a 18 handicapper they have transformed my game, broke 85 last week , still have my p790's but don't think I'll be going back.
@@steo-red408 they aren’t a forged head though are they. I’ve been tempted for months to try Takomo irons just the fact I can’t try before buy
@@Gra8332 P790’s
@@trottiegolf thank you. Any advice on what to look for in a fitting to be confident there doing it right. I have only ever had one fitting. Guy didn’t seem interested from the off and irons never felt comfortable. Felt to short and I was also crouched over
@@Gra8332 well worth diving into my Fitting Playlist on here.
Golf ball is important, that needs to be discussed early.
FITR must ensure you get to hit anything that you have an interest in hitting, regardless if it's right it's also your fitting to try.
Good communication and understanding of the launch monitor numbers but a constant respect for the ball flight.
Low ball count and attention to detail on center strikes over toe or heel misses.
Trottie to Adidas? No more Nike?
Yes I’ve explained this a few times now. Nike changed their position in golf , I used to be connected with Adi when they owned taylormade. Reconnected with an old friend 👍🏻
I thought dan left FP and barstool
Filmed 2 weeks back
Don’t know why but just not a fan of golf gloves that aren’t white. Strange I know
who are these people. this is crazy. you went from nelly korda to this.
Dan is a journalist now connected with the PGA Tour. He’s a + golfer & formally with ForePlay , connected to Barstool. All big channels within the golf media space.
Obv Nelly & a co are fantastic but sometimes not relatable to the average viewer.
More players will be back, just mixing it up.
@@trottiegolf yeah let me know if you wanna do a club fitting on me… 46 years old +2 play torrey regularly and going for champ tour!
“Good players decisions” and the player is Dan Rapport. Oof.
@@ConnorLyon he’s pretty solid and relatable for most golfers
Rapport is a tool.
Dan sucks
Taylormade and Callaway are the worse for irons being pushed onto customer
People get easily hyped, brands know that really well.
I'm a pro, I've tried these irons, both of them, they're ok, but... People are paying 1500/1700 EUR for these in my country, they're not worth it, not at all, we're getting deep throated by brand's marketing and influencers who are trying to convince these bring something really new to the table.
Well, they don't. They're ok. It's just clubs, if we listen to brands, we'd have won 150 yards in average on our drives since the big bertha first gen, but we didn't, basically they've put longer and lighter shafts and we won distance this way, the club heads aren't even that much of a progress in tolerance compared to what brands try to force us into thinking.
Btw people : combo sets fucking suck, do not fall for it.
Read your comment twice …. I don’t entirely agree
@@tg5298 Taylormade are the leader in the industry- all the technology is mimicked by all the other manufacturers and repackaged. Callaway is solid company too.
Curious what irons you think are good?
No offense but this comment is like saying Ferrari and Porsche are crappy cars
Problem w some of these sites is all they fit or talk about is the irons they are paid to sell. Not. Bias fitting. Customer suffers. Be aware
I’ve worked at TaylorMade on tour for 20 yrs. See beyond and as intended. TM make amazing stuff but you are free to combo any set as you see fit.
A lot of good info in this video , that will help you with any set. Obv for me I think TM are great so take it as you wish 👍🏻
Don’t agree. As I always say “ you’re the ceo of your own golf game “
Not forcing anything here just good information
@@tg5298 totally disagree… of course he shows off new product but I bet you a 1000 push ups you can’t find a better channel that gives this much valuable intelligence on club fitting. Nobody comes close to Trottie.. nobody
@@mikerogers1949 not saying he isn’t a good fitter….he is just paid to sell Taylormade and does t discuss better irons
@@mikerogers1949 appreciate ya Mike