You forgot to mention that Norway has publicially announced it's opposition to the UK joining the EEA, as it would completely upset the balance between the member countries. Overall, I find it very unlikely that this sort of deal will ever be adopted. EDIT: EFTA sorry
Also, it has freedom of movement *and* has to accept EU regulations and directives, which was the crux behind the Brexit vote. On top of that we have no say in the regulations we have to adhere to. As a Norwegian I must thank the UK for Brexit, because it has finally made the idiots here shut up about leaving the EEA. Luckily our demographic of "gammons" isn't as sizeable as in the UK, at least as far as I know. Although we did vote to not join the EU, our economy is _slightly_ different from the UKs. We have a low population, which would mean close to no real influence anyway, and an oil-based economy. Oil kind of sells itself and gives an upper hand (see: Saudi Arabia, who can do whatever the fuck they want, apparently).
@@yesthefloorhereismadeoutof238 *An* Eastern European. Bear in mind that not all the Eastern Europeans share Zoltan's views. I'd argue it's a loud minority. Respect for everyone no matter where they're from.
Norway has lots of oil and can afford sovereignty. UK economy is mostly professional services which are not protected by WTO. EU can legally isolate UK from its finance, air-travel, entertainment etc. markets.
Sovereignty is not a black or white concept. The more trade the country has - more dependant it gets. The only way to be 100% sovereign is to isolate yourself from the neighbours with a wall and resort to medieval agriculture. Like North Korea. But even that is not that stupid to severe ties with its nearby China.
The UK is Co tributes around 20 percent of the eu's budget so if the the UK leaves as voted for the EU would lose 20 percent of its economy over night. As its already in recession its would not most likely collapse. The UK has the 2nd largest financial sector in the world so I don't see how an EU which is in recession and also just lost 20% of its income would really be able to do anything to the UK. And entertaiment? Lol.
suroj Come on! Everybody will simply _die_ if they don’t get their annual Eurovision Song Contest! Spectacular showcase of scintillating talent and the pinnacle of entertainment.
Norway does not agree to have the UK into EFTA or EEA, just look it up into wikipedia: ""Norway's European affairs minister, Elisabeth Vik Aspaker, told the Aftenposten newspaper: "It’s not certain that it would be a good idea to let a big country into this organization. It would shift the balance, which is not necessarily in Norway’s interests."
One of Norway's officials also said that they basically don't trust the UK to not exploit the rules of EFTA. And of course everyone knows that UK will not only exploit absolutely everything to their advantage, but also demand special treatment while blaming Norway for being Nazis and USSR at the same time.
@@NJ-wb1cz surely Norways authorities have examined the outrageous cherry picking draft deal offered by Theresa May and surely they have read the PARADISE PAPERS scandal, there fore NO! , they do not trust UK politicians the slightest.
Norway only objected to the UK joining EFTA. For as long as the UK is still an EU member, they are already part of the EEA. With Norway+ they want a third EEA-based solution in addition to EU and EFTA.
@@NJ-wb1cz Probably should add that the current government in Norway is some kind of many-headed troll government that grows another head every time one talks itself to death, that sort of thing. The prime minister basically said the opposite the week after - and the situation has obviously changed since then, even though no one in our government is even remotely informed about any of that. Basically the reason why a "Norway plus" deal is still offered as a possibility, is that it would allow the UK to negotiate EU rules indirectly, while then potentially offering vetos on the rules they wouldn't want. This then removes the UK from the EU legislative process formally, at least for a time, while not actually extricating it. So that everyone really would be happy, and all the politicians can run around saying they got something responsible, regardless of which side they initially were at, etc. In practice, what you're also looking at is a very easy obligation that tends to be things like marking your milk-cartons and not putting it full of steroids if you want to export it. The reason why Norway is so good at "fulfilling" it's obligations to the EU is literally that implementing directives has not required actual changes to the law even once. We are usually much more restrictive when it comes to marking goods and so on, so the standard is extremely easy to accomplish. Honestly, a lot of the resistance to any of this comes from literally not knowing what the EU actually is doing, quite frankly. And also ignorance about the fact that a lot of the opposition to the EU is driven locally by politicians who think things like this, for example: that we should be able to sell produce and meat and so on in the EU -- without marking it or checking the product at all, because everything from Norway is made of gold or something. The other part of the opposition comes from people who want to sell soda-cans without marking it with how much sugar and what is in it - or they want to have exclusive licensing deals, or ways to avoid competition altogether. There's a lot of complete bullshit going on with this kind of very savvy and organised, paid opposition to the EU. Even from organisations that are massively in favor of the union, because they want ways to sell opposition to EU as a negotiation point, or as PR win locally, etc. Which you have seen in real life the extent of now in the UK - and I sincerely hope that if nothing else, the fact that Britain is going through this process at least nominally helps educate people on what the fuck they've actually voted for. Anyway. The point is that it shouldn't be called "Norway +", it should be called "EU minus". And the main driving point, I believe, that would carry that approach is probably people in Northern Ireland and Scotland separately eyeing an opportunity to enter the EU again, alone, at some later point, once their assemblies have gained enough real world independence from Westminister.
@@kabalder sure, only _every deal_ is an EU minus deal. Even no deal is an EU minus deal. There are NO factual arguments for Brexit. It's all about feelings, most of them rather unpleasant and repressed. No one even argues that UK will be better off in any forseeable future. At best, people use random giant numbers for their "predicitons" like 50 or 100 years before UK starts being better off, knowing full well they will never have to answer for their claims.
@@ImmuneGEORGE The thing is that No Deal is what will happen automatically if we haven't passed accepted anything by the time the deadline comes around. But despite this I don't think enough MPs could be put together to push a motion to just cancel the whole thing. At this point I suspect that May has accepted that we will likely get no deal but wants to give the impression that she did everything in her power to prevent it.
wikipedia: ""Norway's European affairs minister, Elisabeth Vik Aspaker, told the Aftenposten newspaper: "It’s not certain that it would be a good idea to let a big country into this organization. It would shift the balance, which is not necessarily in Norway’s interests."
On borders, I grew up in Finland, the Swedish border was notable, it was X shaped, you needed to start driving on the wrong side of the road after you crossed. Russian border was pretty much closed, but there was no wall. Norway border, however where we crossed had nothing on it except for a side road to customs. My dad, I recall, drove there as he knew people who worked there. Sign on the door said "gone fishing, come back later if you need to". To me that is a European border as it should be.
The WA is not a trade deal. If UK wants a Norway style deal it just has to sign the WA and move on to the actual trade deal. Either ways, the Backstop is gonna remain there, so if that is the problem , an extention wouldn't help.
To be blunt Switzerland isn’t the biggest fan of the EU... they had a referendum on curbing EU migration and it passed but wasn’t executed because of the 4 freedoms... But yeah Switzerland is subject to EU laws as well to have access to the single market
The reality is the EU controls Norway and Switzerland. The UK will have a pave a new road forward and innovate an alternative arrangement in the continent.
Allen Greathouse You’re implying that following EU rules is bad... most politicians in Switzerland agree with EU laws because it’s common sense to have them. EU laws ,unlike the United States, are consumer friendly and aim to protect its citizens, no matter how stupid some of them may seem to be.
I don't think Norway would like that, and they can block it. The other problem is the contribution per capita of Norway is 119 pound. The UK pays 128 pounds for full membership. Don't think the UK would like to pay that likely bill.
4:13 this isnt really a oversimplification, but rather spot on. That, plus nationalism of a ridiculous degree (really, the core of the argument is that Norwegian cows are superior to the rest of the European cows because Norwegian farmers handle them. And Norwegian farmers are, as we know, the best in the world. Because norway)
Probably the reason they think that is that they think that they have stricter regulations than the rest of the EU. At least that is how us Swedes justify thinking that our cows are better than the rest of the EU (and slightly better than Norway's or Denmark's :p )
There is just one slight problem. For speedy application of a Norway style deal, the UK would have to be a member of EFTA. However not only it is not an EFTA member currently, it also can´t join EFTA while it´s still in the EU. Hence a new "Norway style" deal would have to be negociated and ratified by both the UK and the EU within next 50 days or so. And that is impossible. And honestly Norway style deal, where Norwegians are waiting for faxes from EU commission, to learn what law they have to adopt, is fairly incompatible with brexiteers dreams of british rule and sovereignity, in a newly created rainbow filled unicornland. Frankly, everybody in the EU (except for the UK apparently) is fairly tired and fed up with brexit. Brexit doesn´t make heavy news on the continent, yet the public opinion has generally moved to support no deal brexit. Politicians on the continent generally want to be over wth brexit as soon as possible to be able to focus on more important matters. The feeling is here, that the UK would be much more willing to actually make a deal after no deal brexit, than any time before march 29th. British government has given up on any negociations by now anyway. TM policy is to stall and keep kicking the can down the road until late March, when she will face all the MPs with a simple vote for her deal or no deal.
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I think the problem with the norway style is that the people that wanted brexit most, won't be satisfied with it. (Although given time to see the actual outcome, I don't think any brexit will live up to their expectations) Regardless, Farrage and certain people touted Norway a lot in the early going, but as the leave message codified into "taking back control of borders" ect and as more people were informed on the actual details of norways relationship with the EU, it didn't really hang with what they were saying, so they backed away from it. Norway aligns pretty well with EU regulations either reaching a similar place on their own conclusions or because it eases interactions with the rest of Europe. I have spent some time in Norway and they have a very relaxed land border with Sweden. As a foreigner, I was able to pass across it unchecked, purchase cheaper goods in Sweden and drive back. Meanwhile, people who wanted to remain will probably look for the softest option available, adjusted for their own interests. But they will still likely oppose all other options fairly equally, because they didn't want any of this mess in the first place. Or, they will feel its leaving the upsides of the EU while keeping the downsides. So unless a norway style relationship is identified as the best soft option, it will get no support from either side and fall between the cracks. I still think the most likely outcomes for the initial leave date as it currently is, are mays deal with some alterations or no deal.
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Norway pays into the EU budget & projects Norway's Population is 5.258 million (2017) and they are EEA / EFTA and THEY PAY about €1B per year £140 per Norwegian X 5.258 = £736 say €1B per year And Norway pays around €400 million a year in grants paid to some of the EU's poorer countries. While not formally a single market membership fee, this money is linked to trade relations with the EU. Norway's EU minister said last year that “We gain from being a member of the single market. The UK was set to pay £14,000 million per year into the EU budget up to 2020, ignoring what it would get back. About £4,500 million per year of the EU budget was earmarked for the UK public sector. apply the same, keep in mind UK Population: 66.02 million (2017) £140 per Brit X 66.02 = £9242.8 say €10B per year THAT MEANS WE (UK) WILL BE IN the European Economic Area and European Free Trade Association AND STILL MANAGED TO PAY 10x NORWAY, like what we have now how is that idiot who came with this idea? NORWAY + is NORWAY -
Despite Norway as a ruletaker, they also have rights of preservation veto it means Norway can exercise its rights to not applying EU laws as nat'l laws. But the gov't seldom use this option
@Lumiel Unlike the UK that defaults to it's petulant child mode every time the EU tries to pass one of the handful of laws it doesn't like. UK: No fair *stomps* we don't like it give opt out now. EU: *sigh* again UK... fine here you go. UK: You guys are mean you keep telling us what to do. EU: Errr...
A slight majority opted to stay out at the referendum 25 years ago. Beside some nationalistic views of Norway as a very special country, far away from mainland Europe, the fragile agriculture sector was one important reason. Protection of the maritime resources another. Both valid stances, in my opinion. (And I voted yes to the EU). Polls still indicate that the present agreement is supported by a vast majority of the population as a pragmatic solution. The system works most of the time and the land borders are open (and sometimes invisible) to Sweden and Finland. Free movement of people is a fact. But trade is more difficult. Allowed import/export good by private car is very limited and all commercial traffic must stop at the border. Importing/exporting from/to EU is no fun. Lots of paperwork, fees and a lot of VAT-hassle. Been there, done it.
Be careful of referring to "Brexiteers" as moaning. That is a subjective view, and TLDR shouldn't be that! (Note: I do not think you are wrong, tbh. I just think TLDR should stay as objective (not neutral) as possible, and that was not it)
Iurie Pripa I think TLDR being objective is a ship that sailed away a long time ago. I come here for a remainder and EU view of the situation, not an objective one.
@@oriondye3212 I'd say he mostly presents facts, and they are not political. Sometimes, he does lean into opinion, and then, you can see he is pro-EU. But the facts are quite straightforward...
@@oriondye3212 EU view is far less gentle than what TLDR presents. I'm actually surprised how much he ignores the EU side of things and sticks with what UK could do. That's possibly the only thing I don't like about TLDR - way too often he spends too little time on analysing what could EU27 reaction to a particular proposal be.
I unsubbed because he became more and more pro-EU leaning. I don't really care either way how people chose to vote but I want the hard facts in the videos for me to make up my own mind without a spin on it for *either* side.
If I wanted the UK to succeed because I was a UK citizen or something, this would be the model I'd advocate. It respects the stupid-ass result of the referendum, limits economic damage, you can strike trade deals, there are very few changes (not much uncertainty for businesses that are moving right now due to uncertainty). Yes, you can't control immigration, but support for freedom of movement has gone up in the UK to the point that it isn't that much of an issue anymore, I remember Nigel Farage not being happy when seeing this poll on a talk show. If you want to control immigration from the Middle East, how about investing in Frontex instead of making the UK a less desirable place to live for skilled migrants due to legitimization of racism and isolation. The illegal aliens that Merkel irresponsibly let through are not gonna leave no matter what, but we as Europeans can secure the external borders so that a situation like that never occurs again. There are talks that Germany might adopt a Canadian-style point-based immigration policy, so if that's an issue why people wanted to leave (because it seemed impossible to get this inside the EU), there is a chance this might change
@Salterino Kripperino What do you think the benefits are of living in an independent country? Also how will the change affect the average person in the UK? And how will you prosper in the UK as an independent country?
@Salterino Kripperino Oh dear, I'm glad I'm not you. You genuinely think that the government care about you? That the money from the EU will find it's way in to the average persons pocket?
you should have covered how much norway pays each year for acces to the eu market and how in comparison to the gdp that would cost for the uk to pay for sutch deal. i think suddenly being a member of the eu with a say in its laws would have seemed a much better deal
One thing I don't seem to understand about the process: wouldn't a Norway style deal be more about economic relations to the EU and therefore something to be discussed AFTER the withdrawal? And if Theresa May's deal were to be accepted as it is, couldn't the following negotiations still result in a Norway+(+) model? I would really like to have some clarity on this.
Trommpete - Right now it is the withdrawal agreement. This is already signed by all sides after 2 years of negotiations. The UK always talked about a deal instead of stating the simple fact that it is a withdrawal agreement. This added to the wrong expectations.
The most bizarre thing about UK politics these days is how many politicians still seem to believe that UK will automatically get whatever they want from other parties - despite a lot of actual proof that's not gonna happen. There is so much talk about "options" that has been ruled out by EU (or EFTA in this case) and its members. And on the other hand, there's close to no debate on what is actually acceptable for the EU/EFTA. It's simply not considered, it's not part of the discussion. The whole UK political debate at the moment is basically dreaming about unicorns, ignoring that it takes two to make a deal. It's almost as if the UK got mentally stuck in imperial times, when they could simply order their colonies to do whatever they want and they just can't realise that EU is way bigger and more powerful player in this relationship. Ultimately, Theresa May was right when she said no deal is better than a bad deal - and that's exactly why EU won't turn UK's unicorn dreams into reality.
Norway's model cannot work for UK. Norway economy is different.Norway has huge resources of oil & gas (per capita). UK's economy is dependent on services and manufacturing, The best deal for UK is to remain as a full member of EU to maintain the status currently has.
How about the Airstrip 1 option that Orwell predicted in 1984 (or was that 1948). UK is merely a minor satellite of US. IMHO this is the ERG's preferred option.
Quick question, Isn't Ireland and the UK already in a Common Travel Area separate from the EU's Schengen Area and what makes that incompatible with Hard Brexit/the Backstop/etc. if they're already separate from the rest of the EU with border checks between the UK/Ireland and all other Countries?
UK fisherman won’t have to share its waters with EU ships...this was like the ‘UK can decide who and what comes into the country’ how did we ever get into this situation?!
If I remember correctly, the waters around the British Isles, and the North Atlantic in general, are warming incredibly rapidly and cod in particular are dwindling. So... I think soon the UK will need the EU more , than the other way around -- if it's true that cod populations are shrinking.
You are explaining so many models, you should also explain the UK model, the pre-Brexit deal. This model has a separate currency and many other concessions that would be interesting to know about.
It's a guitar, but when you look at the EU coins where it shows Finland, and Sweden but not Norway, it looks like a unerected penis with hanging balls :-P
So how is it, that Norway which is mostly rock and mountains, can manage to have a per capita GDP 60% higher than the UK with all its agriculture, industry, financial services etc. etc. ???
As much as I love the videos on UK politics/Brexit, I think it would be cool to get your take on US politics too. American politics is currently just about as interesting as the UK's.
You forget among the important things. Norway is part of Helsingfors deal and nordic passport union. A Norway deal would also be a passport union with Irland, education sharing, soft boarders. As Norway have with its neighbors
does anyone know why Norway doesn't have more of its own trade deals independently of the EU, with other countries? if it is free to, only 2 countries does not seem many
There recently was a case where the NHO (Næringslivets Hovedorganisasjon/the norwegian businesses main office) used the EEA to circumvent a verdict made by the norwegian supreme court in a conflict between LO (the largest worker union in Norway) and the NHO. The backlash has created a distrust in many norwegians towards the "norwegian deal" as NHO abused it to weaken norwegian sovereignity in the name of business. Both LO and several political parties (including FRP who are usually pro-NHO) have raged towards the decision and dependent on how things develop from here Norway may become less cooperative with the EU in EEA dealings. LO even wants a withdrawal from the EEA. And if you think that sounds unrealistic I would remind you that not only is LO Norways largest workerunion, but EU used the EEA to force its decisions to anull a verdict made by the norwegian SUPREME COURT. Edit changed supremacy with sovereignity
@@roadrunner6224 By national supremacy I mean a nations right to self determination without international meddling. It's an important aspect of global balancing of power.
As someone that lives in Norway I can tell you that Norway is very "protectionist" of their produce but to a fault because a lot of the food is of a sub-standard quality in the supermarkets and they care very little about this. It's typical for Norwegians to buy food, find out when they get home that it's already out of date or gone moldy etc., and then instead of taking it back to demand a refund or replacement they'll just throw it away and go out and buy another one. They have more money than sense and they seem content enough with being shafted on all fronts by exorbitant postal fees, road tolls and taxes. It's still a pretty great country to live in, I don't deny that, but it's hardly the greatest country or happiest place on the planet to live (as most Norwegians would have you believe).
Norway allows EU workers? That is one of the reasons for Brexit was passed, so Polish workers can’t enter Britain. So I would say the Norway deal would violate Brexit. I take it for granted that N Ireland would essentially stay in the EU.
You're out of time, it's gonna be a hard Brexit no matter what. So let' focus on getting a post Brexit deal and you can get on with you independence program.
I really don't understand the customs region problem between Ireland and Northern Ireland. I can see the problem given the history, but how is that different when it comes to give up on the free movement part of the EU. If you are not gonna accept free movement between UK and EU, then it will still be a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Or is it something I'm not seeing here?
Any form of customs union requires to have common standards and a court which will ensure everyone meets those standars (ECJ or similar). There is no way around that. The UK does not seem to be keen to that one, plus fish, plus freedom of movement... With those red lines, the current proposed agreement is the only possible way out, but on the other hand there is the famous problem with the backstop. So here we are 2.5 years later.
Brexiteers advocated for Norway or Swizerland during the campaign but now they say it would break the brexit "promise". Did I get it wrong or these guys can get away with anything they say.
3:00 Also, there is a 25% import fee for ALL foreign goods that exeede 350 NOK (~ €37), however, this is paid by the consumer, and not the EU as it would be with regular tariffs. This means, that for a Norwegian, even if tarrifs with the EU were completely removed, EU goods would still be 25% more expensive in Norway, compared with other EU nations.
2:42, the word "force" troubles me. The EU doesn't intend to send any troops to "force" anything. Or do you mean that the EU intend to force something on the poor little UK? I don't think you meant that, so the word "force" is out of place. (Just contructive critics here, keep up the good work!)
Maybe the UK should pretend like they have already left the EU and they will eventually work out some deals, if not, remain or find people who can. Btw, why is no one in the Royal Family seems to be concerned or affiliated with?
"They(Norway) are opted out and exempt from everything that really makes the British mad" "Wouldn't it be so terrible if we were like Norway and Switzerland?" "Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" Same benefits as EU Membership Easiest deal in history “There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.” The brexit delivered is not the same as the brexit promoted by many brexit campaigners, if they couldn't deliever the promoted brexit, then it should have been either cancelled or a further referendum about how the country wanted brexit to be. Eg A referendum was needed on Free Movement of People...Switzerland had one recently. Leave campaigners never talked about ending free movement and taking away UK citizens FoM rights. or If they wanted a deal(surely they would given its the biggest market in the world that is close by)
It also has to be noted that many UK fishers are actually selling their quota to EU fishers.. which would end with a hard brexit. EFTA - even if we were allowed in, which doesn't seem likely, would basically be fine for remainers (sort of - it's basically all the things remainers want, but in a very stupid way - just remaining would make way more sense) but it's leaving barely in name only. It would retain most of the things leavers don't want. And the EU has no say in our joining EFTA. That's entirely controlled by EFTA. So it means we'd have to make deals with two different agencies just to make this work. There's essentially zero chance of this being arranged by 28 Mar or even anytime soon after.
So with a Norwegian+ model the UK takes back the control with its agriculture and fishing while keeping it's trade with the further possibility of making its own trade deals (how many can we expect). On the downside the UK becomes more or less a rulestaker (wrap it up how you like) with little say AND continues payment to the EU (Norway still pays around 75% per capita compared to Britain). Somehow I doubt the EU will be easy on the EU when it comes to landing a deal like this if at all, the EU wants to start negotiations. Did people in the UK really vote for this?
I’d hoped you’d talk a bit more on the ability for workers to move without borders in this deal. I thought Brexiteers really want to control immigration.
While you made No-Deal, Canada Deal & May/Chequers Deal and you finished the Norway Deal, can you do: Swiss Deal, Continental Partnership from Bruegel Proposal, Ukrainian Deal, Turkish Deal, Singaporean Deal and South Korean Deal? Please, I want to see info about these, you made good videos, keep it up.
Mark Simons, No, Israel is not EU Court of Justice, not EU Agriculture Policy, not Even EEA and Customs Union and FTA, if it's just a joke, I get it, but when you really want UK to be like Israel laws and policy, it's bad, and they don't have a deal yet, and it would like to end No-Deal WTO Rules, yeah no.
I thought EU made it clear that the negotiations were over and done....EU wants to set the record straight with UK at the moment so be happy for any deal at all. UK must realize that if EU start to renegotiate this will send signals to other potential countries which may want out in the future. And EU is too clever to do this to themselves...
You forgot to mention that Norway has publicially announced it's opposition to the UK joining the EEA, as it would completely upset the balance between the member countries. Overall, I find it very unlikely that this sort of deal will ever be adopted.
EDIT: EFTA sorry
Also, it has freedom of movement *and* has to accept EU regulations and directives, which was the crux behind the Brexit vote. On top of that we have no say in the regulations we have to adhere to. As a Norwegian I must thank the UK for Brexit, because it has finally made the idiots here shut up about leaving the EEA. Luckily our demographic of "gammons" isn't as sizeable as in the UK, at least as far as I know. Although we did vote to not join the EU, our economy is _slightly_ different from the UKs. We have a low population, which would mean close to no real influence anyway, and an oil-based economy. Oil kind of sells itself and gives an upper hand (see: Saudi Arabia, who can do whatever the fuck they want, apparently).
Norway option means immigrants from the Eastern EU member countries which is a big no no for Brits.
@Kiss Zoltán thank Allah ,that I am Pakistan , can't imagine being a eastern European .
@@yesthefloorhereismadeoutof238 *An* Eastern European. Bear in mind that not all the Eastern Europeans share Zoltan's views. I'd argue it's a loud minority. Respect for everyone no matter where they're from.
@@slawero yeah you make a great point.i don't judge, people on there skin colour. I judge by there character.🌍
Norway has lots of oil and can afford sovereignty. UK economy is mostly professional services which are not protected by WTO. EU can legally isolate UK from its finance, air-travel, entertainment etc. markets.
Strofi Kornego. But we ALL have sovereignty anyway
Sovereignty is not a black or white concept. The more trade the country has - more dependant it gets. The only way to be 100% sovereign is to isolate yourself from the neighbours with a wall and resort to medieval agriculture. Like North Korea. But even that is not that stupid to severe ties with its nearby China.
Strofi Kornego Having lots of oil hasn’t stopped Venezuela’s sovereignty being stamped on.
The UK is Co tributes around 20 percent of the eu's budget so if the the UK leaves as voted for the EU would lose 20 percent of its economy over night. As its already in recession its would not most likely collapse.
The UK has the 2nd largest financial sector in the world so I don't see how an EU which is in recession and also just lost 20% of its income would really be able to do anything to the UK.
And entertaiment? Lol.
suroj Come on! Everybody will simply _die_ if they don’t get their annual Eurovision Song Contest! Spectacular showcase of scintillating talent and the pinnacle of entertainment.
How are people still talking about this, the EFTA has been clear the UK can't join.
If reality mattered there would've been no brexit in the first place
@@NJ-wb1cz Spot on
Another lie.
False. The Norwegian Prime Minister and the Icelandic Foreign Minister have both said that the UK can join EFTA and the EEA.
UK can do what it likes, buy Lichtenstein make into car park
You didn't mention Norway contribution to the EU's budget.
Norway does not agree to have the UK into EFTA or EEA, just look it up into wikipedia: ""Norway's European affairs minister, Elisabeth Vik Aspaker, told the Aftenposten newspaper: "It’s not certain that it would be a good idea to let a big country into this organization. It would shift the balance, which is not necessarily in Norway’s interests."
One of Norway's officials also said that they basically don't trust the UK to not exploit the rules of EFTA.
And of course everyone knows that UK will not only exploit absolutely everything to their advantage, but also demand special treatment while blaming Norway for being Nazis and USSR at the same time.
@@NJ-wb1cz surely Norways authorities have examined the outrageous cherry picking draft deal offered by Theresa May and surely they have read the PARADISE PAPERS scandal, there fore NO! , they do not trust UK politicians the slightest.
Norway only objected to the UK joining EFTA. For as long as the UK is still an EU member, they are already part of the EEA. With Norway+ they want a third EEA-based solution in addition to EU and EFTA.
@@NJ-wb1cz Probably should add that the current government in Norway is some kind of many-headed troll government that grows another head every time one talks itself to death, that sort of thing. The prime minister basically said the opposite the week after - and the situation has obviously changed since then, even though no one in our government is even remotely informed about any of that.
Basically the reason why a "Norway plus" deal is still offered as a possibility, is that it would allow the UK to negotiate EU rules indirectly, while then potentially offering vetos on the rules they wouldn't want. This then removes the UK from the EU legislative process formally, at least for a time, while not actually extricating it. So that everyone really would be happy, and all the politicians can run around saying they got something responsible, regardless of which side they initially were at, etc.
In practice, what you're also looking at is a very easy obligation that tends to be things like marking your milk-cartons and not putting it full of steroids if you want to export it. The reason why Norway is so good at "fulfilling" it's obligations to the EU is literally that implementing directives has not required actual changes to the law even once. We are usually much more restrictive when it comes to marking goods and so on, so the standard is extremely easy to accomplish. Honestly, a lot of the resistance to any of this comes from literally not knowing what the EU actually is doing, quite frankly. And also ignorance about the fact that a lot of the opposition to the EU is driven locally by politicians who think things like this, for example: that we should be able to sell produce and meat and so on in the EU -- without marking it or checking the product at all, because everything from Norway is made of gold or something. The other part of the opposition comes from people who want to sell soda-cans without marking it with how much sugar and what is in it - or they want to have exclusive licensing deals, or ways to avoid competition altogether.
There's a lot of complete bullshit going on with this kind of very savvy and organised, paid opposition to the EU. Even from organisations that are massively in favor of the union, because they want ways to sell opposition to EU as a negotiation point, or as PR win locally, etc. Which you have seen in real life the extent of now in the UK - and I sincerely hope that if nothing else, the fact that Britain is going through this process at least nominally helps educate people on what the fuck they've actually voted for.
Anyway. The point is that it shouldn't be called "Norway +", it should be called "EU minus". And the main driving point, I believe, that would carry that approach is probably people in Northern Ireland and Scotland separately eyeing an opportunity to enter the EU again, alone, at some later point, once their assemblies have gained enough real world independence from Westminister.
@@kabalder sure, only _every deal_ is an EU minus deal. Even no deal is an EU minus deal.
There are NO factual arguments for Brexit. It's all about feelings, most of them rather unpleasant and repressed.
No one even argues that UK will be better off in any forseeable future. At best, people use random giant numbers for their "predicitons" like 50 or 100 years before UK starts being better off, knowing full well they will never have to answer for their claims.
I’d be surprised if it doesn’t end up with no deal. Most of MPs are competing in Darwin Awards this year it seems ...
Darwin is face-palming in his grave!
I don't see how MP's could let a no-deal go through considering the economic disaster that would occur, more chance of revoking article 50 IMO.
@@ImmuneGEORGE A "no deal" is the default when nothing happens. There is nothing happening for a while now... go figure.
@@ImmuneGEORGE The thing is that No Deal is what will happen automatically if we haven't passed accepted anything by the time the deadline comes around. But despite this I don't think enough MPs could be put together to push a motion to just cancel the whole thing. At this point I suspect that May has accepted that we will likely get no deal but wants to give the impression that she did everything in her power to prevent it.
@@Doso777 That's suicide, I don't believe it would be that would go through.
It won't happen. EFTA don't want us either.
wikipedia: ""Norway's European affairs minister, Elisabeth Vik Aspaker, told the Aftenposten newspaper: "It’s not certain that it would be a good idea to let a big country into this organization. It would shift the balance, which is not necessarily in Norway’s interests."
False. Norway’s PM and Iceland’s Foreign Minister have both said that the UK can join EFTA and the EEA
@@geniusofmozart Do you have a source to back up that statement?
On borders, I grew up in Finland, the Swedish border was notable, it was X shaped, you needed to start driving on the wrong side of the road after you crossed. Russian border was pretty much closed, but there was no wall. Norway border, however where we crossed had nothing on it except for a side road to customs. My dad, I recall, drove there as he knew people who worked there. Sign on the door said "gone fishing, come back later if you need to". To me that is a European border as it should be.
The WA is not a trade deal.
If UK wants a Norway style deal it just has to sign the WA and move on to the actual trade deal.
Either ways, the Backstop is gonna remain there, so if that is the problem , an extention wouldn't help.
I agree
What about the relationship between the EU and Switzerland? Can you make a video about that please ?
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I'd love to see that too!
To be blunt Switzerland isn’t the biggest fan of the EU... they had a referendum on curbing EU migration and it passed but wasn’t executed because of the 4 freedoms... But yeah Switzerland is subject to EU laws as well to have access to the single market
The reality is the EU controls Norway and Switzerland. The UK will have a pave a new road forward and innovate an alternative arrangement in the continent.
Allen Greathouse You’re implying that following EU rules is bad... most politicians in Switzerland agree with EU laws because it’s common sense to have them. EU laws ,unlike the United States, are consumer friendly and aim to protect its citizens, no matter how stupid some of them may seem to be.
I don't think Norway would like that, and they can block it. The other problem is the contribution per capita of Norway is 119 pound. The UK pays 128 pounds for full membership. Don't think the UK would like to pay that likely bill.
Love the videos keep up the good work
4:13 this isnt really a oversimplification, but rather spot on. That, plus nationalism of a ridiculous degree (really, the core of the argument is that Norwegian cows are superior to the rest of the European cows because Norwegian farmers handle them. And Norwegian farmers are, as we know, the best in the world. Because norway)
Plus Norwegian cows only speak Norwegian! 😀
There's Norway I'm going to believe that.
I had heard that Ireland had some of the best cows in Europe. I wonder how they fit into the EU? Maybe they are a bit more self depreciating.
Probably the reason they think that is that they think that they have stricter regulations than the rest of the EU. At least that is how us Swedes justify thinking that our cows are better than the rest of the EU (and slightly better than Norway's or Denmark's :p )
I heard the Japanese have the best cows in the world.
We already had the best deal, it was called being in the European Union.
Glad, as a Norwegian we never joined.
Most of Norways fish goes to Portugal! We love their Cod Fish :D
it used to be British cod, didn't it?
There is just one slight problem. For speedy application of a Norway style deal, the UK would have to be a member of EFTA. However not only it is not an EFTA member currently, it also can´t join EFTA while it´s still in the EU. Hence a new "Norway style" deal would have to be negociated and ratified by both the UK and the EU within next 50 days or so. And that is impossible. And honestly Norway style deal, where Norwegians are waiting for faxes from EU commission, to learn what law they have to adopt, is fairly incompatible with brexiteers dreams of british rule and sovereignity, in a newly created rainbow filled unicornland.
Frankly, everybody in the EU (except for the UK apparently) is fairly tired and fed up with brexit. Brexit doesn´t make heavy news on the continent, yet the public opinion has generally moved to support no deal brexit. Politicians on the continent generally want to be over wth brexit as soon as possible to be able to focus on more important matters. The feeling is here, that the UK would be much more willing to actually make a deal after no deal brexit, than any time before march 29th. British government has given up on any negociations by now anyway. TM policy is to stall and keep kicking the can down the road until late March, when she will face all the MPs with a simple vote for her deal or no deal.
True, true and true, especially the first sentence in the second paragraph. It is not even entertaining anymore.
Great video! Love the editing and images that go along with the informative info, cheers
I really love your videos, they're very well put together and they must take dozens of hours of research.
I couldn't help but notice the Patreon self-promotion at the beginning, the 2 ads in the video and the content self-promotion at the end as well as the 10:01 video time, with only about 7:30 of actual content.
Don't get me wrong, I hove nothing against this as your content is very high quality. This is meant as a gentle reminder to keep focusing on creating great quality content and more revenue will be a will be a natural side effect.
I think the problem with the norway style is that the people that wanted brexit most, won't be satisfied with it. (Although given time to see the actual outcome, I don't think any brexit will live up to their expectations) Regardless, Farrage and certain people touted Norway a lot in the early going, but as the leave message codified into "taking back control of borders" ect and as more people were informed on the actual details of norways relationship with the EU, it didn't really hang with what they were saying, so they backed away from it. Norway aligns pretty well with EU regulations either reaching a similar place on their own conclusions or because it eases interactions with the rest of Europe. I have spent some time in Norway and they have a very relaxed land border with Sweden. As a foreigner, I was able to pass across it unchecked, purchase cheaper goods in Sweden and drive back.
Meanwhile, people who wanted to remain will probably look for the softest option available, adjusted for their own interests. But they will still likely oppose all other options fairly equally, because they didn't want any of this mess in the first place. Or, they will feel its leaving the upsides of the EU while keeping the downsides. So unless a norway style relationship is identified as the best soft option, it will get no support from either side and fall between the cracks. I still think the most likely outcomes for the initial leave date as it currently is, are mays deal with some alterations or no deal.
Excellent work guys! This is pure gold in it's purest form .9999! The way this work of art came full circle at the end was a plethora of cinematic genius! The ups the downs... Just, an amazing piece! Keep up the excellent work and absolutely can not wait until the next adventure!
Norway pays into the EU budget & projects
Norway's Population is 5.258 million (2017) and they are EEA / EFTA and THEY PAY about €1B per year
£140 per Norwegian X 5.258 = £736 say €1B per year
And Norway pays around €400 million a year in grants paid to some of the EU's poorer countries. While not formally a single market membership fee, this money is linked to trade relations with the EU. Norway's EU minister said last year that “We gain from being a member of the single market.
The UK was set to pay £14,000 million per year into the EU budget up to 2020, ignoring what it would get back. About £4,500 million per year of the EU budget was earmarked for the UK public sector.
apply the same, keep in mind UK Population: 66.02 million (2017)
£140 per Brit X 66.02 = £9242.8 say €10B per year
THAT MEANS WE (UK) WILL BE IN the European Economic Area and European Free Trade Association AND STILL MANAGED TO PAY 10x NORWAY, like what we have now
how is that idiot who came with this idea? NORWAY + is NORWAY -
5:50 Possible correction, but you call the bank Robobank in your wording here. I think you mean Rabobank? One of the dutch banks.
But, RoboBank is so much cooler!
@@Megalomaniakaal "I'm sorry Sir, but we have to EXTERMINATE! your bank account."
Rabobank means bank of Thieves in Spanish ...fitting !🤣
yeah i was thinking the same!
@@MrBizteck "bank of slaves" in Ukraininan :-D
Take a double shot each time TLDR says "plus"!
"Norway Style" is gonna be the next "Gangnam Style"!
And May's gonna be dancing in the backgroung while dancing queen is playing.
Despite Norway as a ruletaker, they also have rights of preservation veto it means Norway can exercise its rights to not applying EU laws as nat'l laws. But the gov't seldom use this option
interested to see what laws if any they have refused on trade and what was the punishment for them diverging from his master's whip ?,
@Lumiel Unlike the UK that defaults to it's petulant child mode every time the EU tries to pass one of the handful of laws it doesn't like.
UK: No fair *stomps* we don't like it give opt out now.
EU: *sigh* again UK... fine here you go.
UK: You guys are mean you keep telling us what to do.
EU: Errr...
You mean EEA Law? They have to accept EEA Law, the same way Union members have to accept EU Law. It’s a copy and paste job with a different name.
@Lumiel the fact that they have never used it on trade tells you "everything" about the choice they have.
@Harry Lagom that wasnt the question i asked, for the record i know the answer. and so...do...you.
Since it is now between Deal or No Deal, let's get Noel Edmonds on. One phonecall to the Banker and it's sorted
A slight majority opted to stay out at the referendum 25 years ago. Beside some nationalistic views of Norway as a very special country, far away from mainland Europe, the fragile agriculture sector was one important reason. Protection of the maritime resources another. Both valid stances, in my opinion. (And I voted yes to the EU). Polls still indicate that the present agreement is supported by a vast majority of the population as a pragmatic solution. The system works most of the time and the land borders are open (and sometimes invisible) to Sweden and Finland. Free movement of people is a fact. But trade is more difficult. Allowed import/export good by private car is very limited and all commercial traffic must stop at the border. Importing/exporting from/to EU is no fun. Lots of paperwork, fees and a lot of VAT-hassle. Been there, done it.
Be careful of referring to "Brexiteers" as moaning. That is a subjective view, and TLDR shouldn't be that!
(Note: I do not think you are wrong, tbh. I just think TLDR should stay as objective (not neutral) as possible, and that was not it)
Iurie Pripa I think TLDR being objective is a ship that sailed away a long time ago. I come here for a remainder and EU view of the situation, not an objective one.
@@oriondye3212 I'd say he mostly presents facts, and they are not political. Sometimes, he does lean into opinion, and then, you can see he is pro-EU. But the facts are quite straightforward...
@@oriondye3212 EU view is far less gentle than what TLDR presents. I'm actually surprised how much he ignores the EU side of things and sticks with what UK could do. That's possibly the only thing I don't like about TLDR - way too often he spends too little time on analysing what could EU27 reaction to a particular proposal be.
@@samomuransky4455 The EU answer to everything has remained unchanged. 'This is the deal, take it or leave it'.
I unsubbed because he became more and more pro-EU leaning. I don't really care either way how people chose to vote but I want the hard facts in the videos for me to make up my own mind without a spin on it for *either* side.
If I wanted the UK to succeed because I was a UK citizen or something, this would be the model I'd advocate. It respects the stupid-ass result of the referendum, limits economic damage, you can strike trade deals, there are very few changes (not much uncertainty for businesses that are moving right now due to uncertainty). Yes, you can't control immigration, but support for freedom of movement has gone up in the UK to the point that it isn't that much of an issue anymore, I remember Nigel Farage not being happy when seeing this poll on a talk show. If you want to control immigration from the Middle East, how about investing in Frontex instead of making the UK a less desirable place to live for skilled migrants due to legitimization of racism and isolation. The illegal aliens that Merkel irresponsibly let through are not gonna leave no matter what, but we as Europeans can secure the external borders so that a situation like that never occurs again. There are talks that Germany might adopt a Canadian-style point-based immigration policy, so if that's an issue why people wanted to leave (because it seemed impossible to get this inside the EU), there is a chance this might change
@Salterino Kripperino Why do you want to leave so much?
@Salterino Kripperino What do you think the benefits are of living in an independent country? Also how will the change affect the average person in the UK? And how will you prosper in the UK as an independent country?
@Salterino Kripperino Oh dear, I'm glad I'm not you. You genuinely think that the government care about you? That the money from the EU will find it's way in to the average persons pocket?
The Canada EU trade agreement could be applied to the UK post Brexit, but the UK would have to become an overseas territory of Canada.
Dlaftx no is called the commonwealth not overseas territory of Canada look it up
you should have covered how much norway pays each year for acces to the eu market and how in comparison to the gdp that would cost for the uk to pay for sutch deal. i think suddenly being a member of the eu with a say in its laws would have seemed a much better deal
As a Norwegian am I happy with our relationship with the EU.
Very informative, thanks.
One thing I don't seem to understand about the process: wouldn't a Norway style deal be more about economic relations to the EU and therefore something to be discussed AFTER the withdrawal? And if Theresa May's deal were to be accepted as it is, couldn't the following negotiations still result in a Norway+(+) model? I would really like to have some clarity on this.
Trommpete - Right now it is the withdrawal agreement. This is already signed by all sides after 2 years of negotiations.
The UK always talked about a deal instead of stating the simple fact that it is a withdrawal agreement. This added to the wrong expectations.
As far as I know the EU stated they would be happy with a Norwegen kind of deal, but GB rejected this Idea...
yeah, but another referendum with all the options on the table would be a democratic-murder.
The most bizarre thing about UK politics these days is how many politicians still seem to believe that UK will automatically get whatever they want from other parties - despite a lot of actual proof that's not gonna happen.
There is so much talk about "options" that has been ruled out by EU (or EFTA in this case) and its members. And on the other hand, there's close to no debate on what is actually acceptable for the EU/EFTA. It's simply not considered, it's not part of the discussion. The whole UK political debate at the moment is basically dreaming about unicorns, ignoring that it takes two to make a deal.
It's almost as if the UK got mentally stuck in imperial times, when they could simply order their colonies to do whatever they want and they just can't realise that EU is way bigger and more powerful player in this relationship. Ultimately, Theresa May was right when she said no deal is better than a bad deal - and that's exactly why EU won't turn UK's unicorn dreams into reality.
TLDW: "Norway Brexit" = Not Brexit.
Norway's model cannot work for UK. Norway economy is different.Norway has huge resources of oil & gas (per capita). UK's economy is dependent on services and manufacturing, The best deal for UK is to remain as a full member of EU to maintain the status currently has.
How about the Airstrip 1 option that Orwell predicted in 1984 (or was that 1948).
UK is merely a minor satellite of US. IMHO this is the ERG's preferred option.
He predicted it in 1948 in his novel 1984.
That's all fine and dandy but you should have mentioned that Norway doesn't want UK to be in EFTA
Love your videos, very informative. But I'm curious to know what you plan to cover after Brexit is over?
UK can have Kazachistan plus minus. 😎
We should not bother with any deal with the EU for at least a year WTO for now and make deals elsewhere first then maybe make a deal with the EU.
Keep up the great content man, much appreciated
I'd love to hear more about the deal between Switzerland and the EU.
When complicated things are being decided by just a "yes or no" vote without explaining what the consequences would be.
I know it's too soon but was looking for today's video of what impact could have Labour's split on Brexit
Quick question, Isn't Ireland and the UK already in a Common Travel Area separate from the EU's Schengen Area and what makes that incompatible with Hard Brexit/the Backstop/etc. if they're already separate from the rest of the EU with border checks between the UK/Ireland and all other Countries?
UK fisherman won’t have to share its waters with EU ships...this was like the ‘UK can decide who and what comes into the country’ how did we ever get into this situation?!
If I remember correctly, the waters around the British Isles, and the North Atlantic in general, are warming incredibly rapidly and cod in particular are dwindling. So... I think soon the UK will need the EU more , than the other way around -- if it's true that cod populations are shrinking.
You are explaining so many models, you should also explain the UK model, the pre-Brexit deal.
This model has a separate currency and many other concessions that would be interesting to know about.
yeah that's true
70% of UK fishing industry is RUN BY CANADIAN company . That all left of Brexit, fish and blue passport 🤬🤬🤬
norway has a weird shape
Yh, it looks like a sperm that's worn-out (because of all the fjords) 😉
@@abdiganisugal825 You know the architect of the Norwegian fjords won several design awards for his work.
@@misterjei Nice Hitchikers' guide to the galaxy reference.
It's a guitar, but when you look at the EU coins where it shows Finland, and Sweden but not Norway, it looks like a unerected penis with hanging balls :-P
So how is it, that Norway which is mostly rock and mountains, can manage to have a per capita GDP 60% higher than the UK with all its agriculture, industry, financial services etc. etc. ???
Oil.
Because they had no Tatcher, and sosialized their oil insted of giving it to cooperations. SBE
@@Kaspian1828
A lesson for Scotland there :-)
Norway exports oil. 'Nuff said ;)
their education system is also excellent
The shape of Norway totally does NOT look like a spermatozoid ;) We love you Norway! :p
you forgot to say about oil resources of Norway and population and that the country is bigger than UK, etc
Joining in an EEA or EFTA agreement, would mean a deal would have to be reached. And that is going oh so well now isn't it?
As much as I love the videos on UK politics/Brexit, I think it would be cool to get your take on US politics too. American politics is currently just about as interesting as the UK's.
You forget among the important things. Norway is part of Helsingfors deal and nordic passport union. A Norway deal would also be a passport union with Irland, education sharing, soft boarders. As Norway have with its neighbors
does anyone know why Norway doesn't have more of its own trade deals independently of the EU, with other countries? if it is free to, only 2 countries does not seem many
There's no way I'd go Oslo as that
There recently was a case where the NHO (Næringslivets Hovedorganisasjon/the norwegian businesses main office) used the EEA to circumvent a verdict made by the norwegian supreme court in a conflict between LO (the largest worker union in Norway) and the NHO. The backlash has created a distrust in many norwegians towards the "norwegian deal" as NHO abused it to weaken norwegian sovereignity in the name of business. Both LO and several political parties (including FRP who are usually pro-NHO) have raged towards the decision and dependent on how things develop from here Norway may become less cooperative with the EU in EEA dealings. LO even wants a withdrawal from the EEA. And if you think that sounds unrealistic I would remind you that not only is LO Norways largest workerunion, but EU used the EEA to force its decisions to anull a verdict made by the norwegian SUPREME COURT.
Edit changed supremacy with sovereignity
Interesting.
Supremacy? Can’t remember Norway being important on the world stage since forever.
@@roadrunner6224 By national supremacy I mean a nations right to self determination without international meddling. It's an important aspect of global balancing of power.
@@ItsARandomEncounter Yeah, you should keep killing baby seals without anybody judging you
@@amobelial Pretty sure that's the inuits
Norway , and Switzerland strongly opposed UK join EEA . should have mention that . 🤐🤐🤐🤐
haven't Norwegian politicians repeatedly said that you can't join their club
they can't really decide that
As someone that lives in Norway I can tell you that Norway is very "protectionist" of their produce but to a fault because a lot of the food is of a sub-standard quality in the supermarkets and they care very little about this. It's typical for Norwegians to buy food, find out when they get home that it's already out of date or gone moldy etc., and then instead of taking it back to demand a refund or replacement they'll just throw it away and go out and buy another one. They have more money than sense and they seem content enough with being shafted on all fronts by exorbitant postal fees, road tolls and taxes. It's still a pretty great country to live in, I don't deny that, but it's hardly the greatest country or happiest place on the planet to live (as most Norwegians would have you believe).
interesting
Norway allows EU workers? That is one of the reasons for Brexit was passed, so Polish workers can’t enter Britain. So I would say the Norway deal would violate Brexit.
I take it for granted that N Ireland would essentially stay in the EU.
I‘m afraid the time to find some middle option has run out!
Now it’s either no deal or no Brexit!
Did you cover the EU-Swiss bespoke deal?
You're out of time, it's gonna be a hard Brexit no matter what. So let' focus on getting a post Brexit deal and you can get on with you independence program.
I am from Norway(:
hello
At this point, I just want to grab some bricks and mortar and start building a wall around Westminster
ROFL! 🤣 😂 😅
just grab a mortar. leave the bricks.
@@russellg5022
Bricksit?
I really don't understand the customs region problem between Ireland and Northern Ireland. I can see the problem given the history, but how is that different when it comes to give up on the free movement part of the EU. If you are not gonna accept free movement between UK and EU, then it will still be a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Or is it something I'm not seeing here?
Norway economy runs on oil money and state capitalism. Both UK does not have or do.
So what has this got to do with the price of fish? Ohh actually a lot.
Swiss-like agreement would be nice
Any form of customs union requires to have common standards and a court which will ensure everyone meets those standars (ECJ or similar). There is no way around that. The UK does not seem to be keen to that one, plus fish, plus freedom of movement... With those red lines, the current proposed agreement is the only possible way out, but on the other hand there is the famous problem with the backstop. So here we are 2.5 years later.
Brexiteers advocated for Norway or Swizerland during the campaign but now they say it would break the brexit "promise". Did I get it wrong or these guys can get away with anything they say.
You got it right. It's just that by now they know that these deals will never happen because the other member countries will not allow the UK to join.
Lezo They lied plain and simple.
Great vid
3:00
Also, there is a 25% import fee for ALL foreign goods that exeede 350 NOK (~ €37), however, this is paid by the consumer, and not the EU as it would be with regular tariffs.
This means, that for a Norwegian, even if tarrifs with the EU were completely removed, EU goods would still be 25% more expensive in Norway, compared with other EU nations.
2:42, the word "force" troubles me. The EU doesn't intend to send any troops to "force" anything. Or do you mean that the EU intend to force something on the poor little UK? I don't think you meant that, so the word "force" is out of place. (Just contructive critics here, keep up the good work!)
Maybe the UK should pretend like they have already left the EU and they will eventually work out some deals, if not, remain or find people who can. Btw, why is no one in the Royal Family seems to be concerned or affiliated with?
That's enough about fish - TLDR News, 2019
thanks for all the fish
why is fishing even important...it accounted only for 0.12% of the all UK economic output. what about the stuff that makes the difference
It's going to be a no deal.
"They(Norway) are opted out and exempt from everything that really makes the British mad"
"Wouldn't it be so terrible if we were like Norway and Switzerland?"
"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market"
Same benefits as EU Membership
Easiest deal in history
“There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.”
The brexit delivered is not the same as the brexit promoted by many brexit campaigners, if they couldn't deliever the promoted brexit, then it should have been either cancelled or a further referendum about how the country wanted brexit to be.
Eg
A referendum was needed on Free Movement of People...Switzerland had one recently. Leave campaigners never talked about ending free movement and taking away UK citizens FoM rights.
or
If they wanted a deal(surely they would given its the biggest market in the world that is close by)
My Norway
It also has to be noted that many UK fishers are actually selling their quota to EU fishers.. which would end with a hard brexit.
EFTA - even if we were allowed in, which doesn't seem likely, would basically be fine for remainers (sort of - it's basically all the things remainers want, but in a very stupid way - just remaining would make way more sense) but it's leaving barely in name only. It would retain most of the things leavers don't want.
And the EU has no say in our joining EFTA. That's entirely controlled by EFTA. So it means we'd have to make deals with two different agencies just to make this work. There's essentially zero chance of this being arranged by 28 Mar or even anytime soon after.
So with a Norwegian+ model the UK takes back the control with its agriculture and fishing while keeping it's trade with the further possibility of making its own trade deals (how many can we expect). On the downside the UK becomes more or less a rulestaker (wrap it up how you like) with little say AND continues payment to the EU (Norway still pays around 75% per capita compared to Britain). Somehow I doubt the EU will be easy on the EU when it comes to landing a deal like this if at all, the EU wants to start negotiations. Did people in the UK really vote for this?
As a Norwegian do I pay a pretty high tarrif on most stuff I order online and import, sometimes around 30+%
Norway style? Sounds like we're staying in the single market!
I’d hoped you’d talk a bit more on the ability for workers to move without borders in this deal. I thought Brexiteers really want to control immigration.
So what if GB keeps the current May-EU deal proposal and between Ireland and the UK the Norway deal is drawn?
Norway Option practically means staying inside the EU without a say in Brussels.
While you made No-Deal, Canada Deal & May/Chequers Deal and you finished the Norway Deal, can you do: Swiss Deal, Continental Partnership from Bruegel Proposal, Ukrainian Deal, Turkish Deal, Singaporean Deal and South Korean Deal? Please, I want to see info about these, you made good videos, keep it up.
I'd like to see the Israeli deal.
Mark Simons, No, Israel is not EU Court of Justice, not EU Agriculture Policy, not Even EEA and Customs Union and FTA, if it's just a joke, I get it, but when you really want UK to be like Israel laws and policy, it's bad, and they don't have a deal yet, and it would like to end No-Deal WTO Rules, yeah no.
Fishing 1% of trade.
What's the fuss? Ditch it. The fish go largely to Parisian restaurants!
Why, when you refer to the European Council, do you have a graphic of the Matter Transmitter from David Cronenberg's film, "The Fly"? (around 7:56)
Pissed off style to leavers
I thought EU made it clear that the negotiations were over and done....EU wants to set the record straight with UK at the moment so be happy for any deal at all. UK must realize that if EU start to renegotiate this will send signals to other potential countries which may want out in the future. And EU is too clever to do this to themselves...
Boo to Norway Plus that isn’t what the public voted for.
Such a deal would be useless for us and a great betrayal.
We want a no deal brexit.
Do you have a Switzerland style deal video? I didn't know that... did I?