The little Englanders who voted for this Brexit (to be clear no other part of the UK voted for Brexit) still believe they are running an Empire and others must do as they ask them to do and they are now finding out and will find out the hard way after they crash out with no deal that that is no longer the case.
@Daniel Abrahams i'm italian and i can breathe perfectly well. There are indeed economic and consequent social problems in my country but they stem from our huge publc debt. And trust me, it's not at all the EU's fault.
rapier1954 Farrell also Wales voted to leave. We will do just fine long term without a deal. It’s the EU who everyone should be worrying about. With Germany, France and Italy teetering on the edge a recession, it doesn’t look good. And despite Brexit, England’s and the UKs economy overall is doing just fine and will continue to do so.
It takes years to negotiate a deal like Norway's or Canada's not a few weeks. The WTO also takes a fair bit of time to put in place. So in the meantime if there is no deal I can hardly imagine the chaos that will erupt. The Brexiteers all agree they want to leave the EU but after that they can't agree on anything. Rather pathetic to put it mildly.
skyblaze eterno WTO conditions equal self imposed sanctions. You will be hit harder than Russia, on your own will. How on earth is that great for the UK?
Its like thinking you can quit a gym membership but still have access to the sauna, weight room, swimming pool and lockers. The Planet Fitness manager is laughing in your face!
Can we stop talking about leaving the customs union as a good thing because we get to "make our own trade deals" .... It's really very deceptive. If we left the customs union we would not only have to renegotiate our trade with the EU 27 but also with the +70 countries that we currently have Free trade deals with around the world through membership of the customs union. This means starting from zero and having to renegotiate 40 years of trade deals with over 100 countries before we could make any "new trade deals". In addition, the trade deals we actually manage to renegotiate will be less preferential than those we currently have through the EU because we would have less negotiating power, only being able leverage a market of 64 million consumers rather than a market of 500million ( the EU single market). We also have basically no skilled trade negotiators. Make no mistake ... the people who pretend that brexit is about becoming "global Britain" are either stupid or lying for personal gain.
Yes it will only take a few decades to come to the level the EU is now. So may be the 50 years of JRM is true then we can see the UK could not make it happen.
Ok, so if you are of the mind that you want to leave the EU, this is almost like "it gets worse the longer we stay in it", it reinforces the idea that we have to get out while we still can.
@@arkatub That would be true but it turns out we can and should stay in the customs union to both preserve the trade we already have and continue to make preferential trade deals in cooperation with the EU like many other countries who are not in the EU. And actually irrespective of the trade aspect it is THE only responsible way forward if we are to avoid a hard border in Ireland.
You’re forgetting the jobs that will be created in the trade negotiation. I wouldn’t be surprised if most brexiteer TH-cam commentators are trade negotiators drumming up new business
@Jean Jacque Lundi it's true. -He did get his kids German citizenship.- No he didn't, his kids simply have it and speak fluent German. -And also applied for one himself, but they denied his application.- No real evidence of this. He visited a German embassy and refused to answer a direct question with a "no", which started rumors. Later he said that he visited German embassy on a personal matter, without further elaboration. There's no definitive proof one way or the other, but in the absense of better info should be considered false. -I think pretty much everyone knows, but people just don't care anymore. Those who love brexit will love brexit no matter what and tune out everything that doesn't fit in their ideology, and the rest hate him anyway.- _Edit: corrected the post. Sorry for the misinformation, I really should've known better than believe in persistent murmurs on social media._
The Cameron government called the referendum, the Cameron government should have been planning years before for the possibility of a leave win However unlikely they believed it would be, instead they thought project fear would win and then came well unstuck and run away.
@Jean Jacque Lundi It isn't true, though. Farage's kids have a German mother, so that kind of makes sense. He didn't apply for German citizenship himself. I can't stand the guy, but we shouldn't stoop to Brexiters' level and just start making stuff up.
It was so stupid to vote without having decided which of these options we meant. Should've done a two stage vote or something, just saying leave the EU is too vague, when we vote we need a manifesto to vote on, a fully thought out plan.
This is what happens when the politicians who called the vote did not expect the public to go against their preferred outcome. The first rule of politics is never let people vote on anything important. Democracy is not about letting people have their say.
@@kkr6549 the people didn't vote on anything important. The vote was merely advisory. Cameron was arrogant and manipulative, but he wasn't a total idiot. May, on the other hand, was. For triggering Article 50 without a plan and without enough votes in the Parliament.
It'll be their economy that suffers more if they don't agree to whatever we want. They only pretend that they have a say in the matter...push comes to shove and the EU will 100% cave in to pressure. They could have a continent wide riot of workers, as their jobs will definitely be affected..thereby making more countries want to leave. So i don't think they'll take the risk tbh.
He forgot the Unicorn++ Model. Where you jump off a cliff calling the names of the 3 Unicorns: Sovereignia, TradeDeallia and BorderControllia, children of Xen of Phobia.
Norway plus, Canada plus, the UK should get South Sudan minus minus minus for their excessive national pride, thinking they're better than anyone else & causing all of this turmoil
That is if you can figure out which one is the best way for UK going forward after watching it. So have you? I think politicians knew all these options in 2016, yet they still can't agree on one.
@@MrIvarlira I don't generally believe the party based system UK has is democracy, but nothing is more democratic than referendum. So if democracy is to be followed...
@@joseph_wei Where do you base your opinion about referenda being the most democratic system that exists? There is no evidence of that anywhere. Any election or referendum that is linked with crime, lies or suspicious activities is not democratic. Full stop. I think we can all agree on that.
British people are the only ones losing freedom of movement not the EU. 🙄 EU citizens will still be able to work, live and study in 27 other countries where they don't have to live in a hostile environment. 🤷♀️
@richard hutchinson What do you imagine this independence thing to be? The UK parliament come to the conclusion that they had always be sovereign. So what imagined thing is it?
UK Brexiteers: I want to have cake and eat it too. EU: We can't do that... you eat and your cake and is gone, you have to buy more UK: I don't get it, why I can't have cake and eat it too? EU: Logic and Reality UK: What is reality? EU: Never mind, please leave my shop UK: I want to have cake and eat it too. EU: Security please escort this demented person.
This is the arrogance of the Brits. they are in denial that the sun has set on the British empire . They still want to believe they are a special bunch. Like that soccer mom who was a beauty pageant queen in the 80's and believes she's still desirable.
@Salterino Kripperino What is this based on? Do you have at least one study you cite from to support your claim? Or are we talking here about your gut feelings?
@@derekparke9482 its fascinating 😅 all the unicorn lies are been shown to be lies now! I think the British are stubborn enough to leave at the end of March 😅
@richard hutchinson this is not a waste of time! Brexit helps people all over the world to overcome depression, feel better about their own countries, and to become empowered to create and be more productive - if such morons managed to stay at the top this long, there's no limit to your own possibilies!
Honestly, as a Dutchman, I want to ask to a Brit, I know there must be one reading my comment: Is control over immigration really worth the monetary and stability-price you'll be paying for it? And don't you worry that the silver tsunami will hit you even harder if you close off the border to immigrants?
Alexio Despacito you're not so wrong about a lot of things. But if you don't want to live in isolation (a good right, too), then you have to move on the world stage. And there the bigger ones swallow the small fish. It's always been that way and that's how the UK got rich. The EU is already so far developed in many areas that it can defend itself against the biggest players. Uk will not be able to do that remotely. The eu is aware of the democratic deficit, but - and this is perhaps the only huge disadvantage - everyone is allowed to have their say and it takes a long time. That is a kind of democracy between Nationalities as well. Often very indirectly, but nevertheless and having confidence in the current political class of uk is risky. I trust the EU technocrats much more. They may be politicians, but they are also technocrats who adhere to rules and regulations (well, mostly).
@ALexio Despacito Can you give me an example of an EU law which threatens the unwritten British constitution, parliament or the crown? You will still be subservient to judicial power from outside the UK after Brexit, it doesn't mean leaving the UN or Geneva convention etc, you could still end up being tried by an international court. The EU has a commission who's members are appointed by the elected governments of the member states so they are indirectly elected, just like the American president! You might not know who your MEP's are but that's your fault for being wilfully ignorant, that information isn't secret. Seeing as we all know how the British political system works and how it is a shining example of "true democratic accountability" you'll be able explain why there are currently 92 unelected peers making decisions on our behalf? Or how it is possible for a party to get less then half the vote but still get a parliamentary majority? If all the rest of the small countries in Europe are about to be swallowed up by this imaginary EU supper state why does no one else want to leave? You didn't vote remain, nice try Leave Troll...
@ALexio Despacito Thank you for your explanation. I would personally rather have the UK in the Union, but I respect your view. I wanted to ask, since you said that the European elite vote for the EU legislators: are you aware that there are European elections in May, and every 4 years? Where the European citizens can vote for the parliament? And one last thing, it might not be relevant to you, but it might. The UK has voted in favour of most of the laws passed by the EU. When it comes to values, the EU is congruent with the British, most often. Whatever the outcome, I hope we will reach a deal and that the UK won't plunge into chaos with a no-deal Brexit. Putin already got what he wanted, but no-deal would really make him happy...
@Salterino Kripperino so Scotland will choose a market of a couple of billion vs a market worth hundreds of billions? And prominent Protestants are already saying they have an open mind about reunification. I don't like the european union I think it's poorly designed and undemocratic but human nature is about the path of least resistance. And in Europe they already have the trade deals, they have a bigger market and the northern Irish could work out a sweet deal with the republic for self rule. That's not mentioning freedom of movement. Sorry dude, England will only have the Welsh to keep them company. That's assuming a deal, if not London will look like Flint Michigan. For you foreigners Google Flint Mi. or watch any Michael Moore movie.
@Salterino Kripperino You do know there was freedom of movement within the British empire, that's where most of the immigrants you hate came from and Brexit won't stop that...
@Salterino Kripperino first of all I'm American so I really could not care if the UK torched itself. All it means to me is the price of fish and chips will plummet. Democracy is nice but money Trump's it and you guys just made earning a living, that much harder.
Would have been wise to decide the preferred model for yourself two years ago, that is before signing Article 50. The UK would have had a much better negotiation position if it knew what it wanted.
UK would have a much better negotiation position if they gave their negotiators the authority to deal instead of having to run back home to ask if it's allright. When it began the EU27 gave Barnier the authority to deal, with very defined limits, and set up a comitee in case there were some issues that weren't dealt with beforehand. Very logical, very effective. May on the other hand first negotiates, agrees to a deal, and then asks parliament if she can agree to it...
You're right, but then again, let's not be too petty... After all, 50 million is like nothing for a Brexiteer... ;-) Let's settle for 300 million as a start. :-D
@Salterino Kripperino Sorry, that 40B is already negotiated and agreed on. Of course you can withhold the payments, but that would mean breaking an international agreement, fines and perhaps even international sanctions....
I dont understand this comparison with Canada. We are far away from EU we have always been a sovereign country and we have never been am member EU. This is just a trade deal and it took seven years - and it nearly failed. There is a still border control you just can see it in the middle of the ocean.
Yeah, sorry about that nearly failing thing. It wasn't anything personal, just a bit of local politics where the deal was used to make a point to the other side of the political spectrum
I think Brexit is the new season of Monthy Python. It has all our favorite skits, the "Upper Class Twits", the "Fish Slap Dance", the "Funniest Joke in The World", the "Black Knight", "Romans go home!", the regular appearance of the Spanish Inquisition, May running around with a dead parrot in hand (it's just resting; beautiful plumage!), etc, but everything is so much more real and visceral! This has Graham Chapman written all over it.
The title answer: none of the options. No Canada because it’s a very specific deal and never fit UK ....Norway style it’s not what UK want and Eu won’t agree even .....Switzerland also not fit the UK style and people’s wish. WTO can’t work. EU it’s not a country it’s a block. So to deal with each country separately it’s against the rules of EU. Hahhahhaa so none !
The EU would probably accept a Norway deal, but it is doubtfull Norway would let the UK into EFTA since it would really screw with the voting balance of the union.
This video would have made sense two years ago. You didn’t choose these plans, you chose Mays plan, and now have decided maybe you don’t even want your own plan. And you don’t want the only other two options: cancel brexit, or no deal (well excepting the 30% that are flat out dumb as rocks).
So, here are my ten steps out of this mess. Step 1: revoke Art 50 notice - (not the Act empowering the Govt to give notice) - it's a simple letter, but politically difficult Step 2: All politicians to explain why it has not been possible to achieve Brexit in the time anticipated - and apologise to the electorate for a colossal waste of time Step 3: Govt to focus on addressing urgent issues in the country (yes, there are a few that need looking at!) Step 4: MPs split off from existing parties into realigning on Leave vs Remain lines (that's the new divide) Step 5: Short order cross-party enquiry into the realistic options for Brexit - to be brought back to Parliament Step 6: Parliament - now substantially in control after several Labour and Tory MPs resign their whips - consider the options and vote again on mandating the Govt on a Deal that can command Parliamentary support Step 7: Govt accepts the mandate and seeks further negotiation with EU Step 8: Govt does not accept mandate and/or resigns or is voted out in No Confidence motion Step 9: New political configuration emerges - in the confused chaos of multiple parties in a First-Past-the-Post two-party biased system Step 10: It will never get here, but if it does, we will have a chance of keeping the UK together as a Union of four countries, with a national unity coalition that can decide to either renew the plan to Leave or revert to how things were ie remaining in the EU. PS - we would have few friends among the 27 but it is not as if we ave not made a lauging stock of ourselves already.
@Albert Pike And how has the EU destroyed the NHS? All surrounding countries have already innovated their healthcare system. I did some calculations on the different budgets. To get the NHS to a comparable level as the surrounding countries it roughly needs to invest 1 billion per week extra.
As a Norwegian. Don't go for the Norwegian deal. Yes it is better than being in the EU, but not that much better. UK, you have the chance to do it right, don't look to Norway. Yes we can make our own trade deals which is great, have our own customs rules, and have complete control over our fishery and agricultural area. All great. But we "have" to accept a bunch of regulations and laws to stay a member of EEA. I say "have" to, because we don't. When we had a referendum to join, all parties in our parliament agreed to change our constitution in order to join the EU if the Norwegian population wanted to. Now if that did happen we had to change our constitution (Which requires 2/3 majority to do so) since our fist article states that Norway is a sovereign country and all laws and regulations is to be controlled by the government of Norway. Now since we didn't join the EU the first article of our constitution didn't change. However, every law and regulation that the EU passes (outside of fishery and agricultural) Norway is expected to pass, but that law needs to pass in our parliament as well, and we can say no if we want to. Saying no has an unknown consequence. EU expect us to pass their laws, but our constitution forbids EU to pass them for us, meaning our parliament gets to choose. We could probably say no to some, but at some point EU might get angry and deny us access to the single market. Thus neither the left and the right biggest party have dared to say NO, so we are basically an EU member without a vote (Except fishery and agriculture). Our political party are sheep, scared sheep. The will to leave EEA among the population in Norway has increased since Brexit in 2016, if UK fare well after leaving, it might hopefully lead to Norway leaving the EEA, we can only hope.
Key problem for the UK: ALL these countries and deals that the EU made, were made with countries that were NEVER part of the EU. They didn't "leave the club" and then seek to keep having access to the swimming pool. The EU has absolutely zero incentive to give ANY of these deals to the UK. Because that would jeopardise the entire EU. If Britain gets a good deal, other EU countries will just go ahead and follow in Britain's footsteps. And that's something the burocretins in Brussels, the Chancellery of the European Reich in Berlin and their pet dogs in Paris do NOT want.
People need to stop paying the license fee. Its fuking ridiculous at this point. Also, broadcasting house should definitely be on the yellow vests route.
I'm still really cloudy on all of this. If the UK was granted no extension at the end of 2020 and had to fall back on WTO rules, that doesn't have to be forever, does it? Say it falls back to WTO rules at the start of 2021- the UK could still work indefinitely on making its own individual, specific deals, right?
There are some glaring schoolboy errors here about the Norway model - which, I hasten to add, was supported by none other than Nigel Farage and Ukip from their entrance on the political scene until around 2015 when the referendum became certain to be held. Firstly, it is not true that Norway has to accept free movement no matter what. Liechtenstein, which has the same relationship to the EU as Norway via its Efta membership, has *unilaterally* suspended free movement as it is entitled to do under Article 112 EEA Agreement. The situation is then reviewed every six months with the aim of resuming free movement once the domestic concerns are resolved, but Liechtenstein has de facto suspended it indefinitely. Also, the UK should be merciless in clamping down on non-EU immigration, over which it has never lost control but negligently refused to tackle. Secondly, Norway does not simply swallow all the rules. The rules it does take are only those related to the Single Market, which is as much the province of Efta as it is the EU and would cut the total percentage of laws we do get by about 80%. This honours the old euroskeptic refrain that "we should go back to the old Common Market and cut out the political union". Insofar as proposed rules affect the Efta countries, they are consulted every step of the way. Moreover, Norway has a seat - and thus input - in its own right in regulatory bodies such as Unece, from which the EU copies and pastes a good bulk of regulations into EU law. The Efta countries punch well above their weight. The notion that Norway is some sort of "fax democracy" is in fact a *Remainer* myth promulgated by the likes of Nick Clegg to attack euroskeptics and try to dupe the public into believing that EU membership is necessary for our voice to carry any weight; to see these roles completely reversed - Clegg et al now hold up Norway as a model for compromise and Farage et al have adopted the "fax democracy" rhetoric - is utterly bizarre. Finally, Norway+ is a fraud and unnecessary. It's a whole different species and guts the Norway model of its attractiveness because of the Customs Union element.
Quote - "Whether you’re a leaver or remainer none of the existing models will deliver everything on your wish list." WRONG!! if you're a remainer, scrapping Brexit altogether is the perfect model!
This short video is admirably concise and comprehensive. The final sentence is a gem of much needed common sense. I believe most UK politician would benefit from watching it
People in most EU countries (e.g. Austria, where I am from, and Germany) were very skeptical about the CETA deal, and governments were only able to ratify it since everyone feels Canada is just a small part of our trade, and Canadians are not perceived as capitalist raiders like the US, or I’m afraid, the British. People would be very upset if the British were given a similar deal. The most offensive thing for Europeans is the negativity about immigration from Europe, when Britain has cultivated immigration from all over the world for decades, and Britons have themselves been keen to live, work, vacation and retire in other countries.
All those different tade deal models were just brainfarts of Brexit politicians in UK. Any "Norway deal " was impossible and here is why: Neither the EU, nor its current 27 member States, are members of EFTA. After Brexit, the UK, not being a member of EFTA, and not anymore an EU member, could not be an EEA member and could not be a candidate to become one. Article 126 EEA states that the Agreement shall apply to the territories which the Treaty establishing the EEC (today the EU) and to the territories of Iceland, the Principality of Liechtenstein and the Kingdom of Norway . These three States are members of EFTA and, in accordance with articles 108 of the EEA Agreement, have established the EFTA Surveillance Authority and the EFTA Court. Both these institutions are only competent for these three States. Their role is to ensure the fulfillment by the EEA EFTA States of their obligations under the EEA Agreement. They are not competent for Switzerland, despite this country being a member of EFTA. UK could never establish those institutions outside of EFTA because of the named article of the EEA treaty. Procedurally, in order to become a member of the EEA the UK would first have to present its candidacy and negotiate and conclude an accession agreement to become an EFTA member according to article 56 of the Convention establishing the EFTA. This is because the EEA cannot apply to non EU member States, with the exception of Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, precisely because they are members of EFTA according to article 126 of the EEA. Thus, the UK will have to negotiate an accession treaty to EFTA with the four members of this organisation: Switzerland and the three EEA EFTA members. Once becoming an EFTA member, the UK will then have to negotiate an EEA accession treaty with the 31 entities which are members of the EEA: the EU, its 27 member States and the three EEA EFTA members. The Parties could agree to proceed to both negotiations at the same time. The Tory governments just thougght EU would bend over and compromise the single market by allowing UK to have these cherrypicking deals. Well it did not happen. The TCA that UK has now is as good a deal it can get from EU. The remainers/rejoiners still believe UK can "rejoin the single market and the customs union as a first step towards membership". That is of course complete and utter fantasies. What brexit has lead to is that now, in 2024, EU is taking the Euro denominated clearing of derivatives out of London and moving it into EU financial centers. It wanted to do it already a decade ago but UK took it to the ECJ in won and could keep it. Not so now as a third country.
The one thing I have never, ever, heard is: "for example, country X is desperate to sign an agreement with us under these new rules". Every single treaty between countries that I have seen come true has been the conclusion of years of negotiations from strong groups in both countries, so committed that they finally prevail. If no country in the world is begging the UK to finalize Brexit, no country in the world is ready to move heaven and earth to sign a new treaty, and "No Deal Brexit" will become "No Deal with Anybody Forever Brexit".
Labour is the closest to the Norwegian+ model? Didn't the labour party wanted to keep having new referendums about leaving the EU until they got their desired result? Meaning not leaving the EU at all?
Norway and UK would never pay EU similar money because the amounts are calculated according to a country’s population. With its population UK would pay ca 4,5 billion pounds in the Norway model. May seem cheaper than the current 9 billion, but then a large part of that money returns to you, doesn’t it? While Norway doesn’t get any donations from the EU.
Forget Parliament; they already decided a 'no deal' exit would follow no agreement. A WTO exit, or as we say BREXIT results, and our democracy is preserved.Trade deals will follow - no need for the Remoaner obsession with the various flavours of not exiting.
As a EU citizen I like the "No More Spoiled Cherrypicking Crybabies - Deal" the most. Bye bye UK. Hope you will leave without a deal. Oh and... never come back.
I´m sure something could be worked out if there is a serious move towards striking a deal. But first UK needs to agree among themselves what they want.
The EU offered the Canada+ deal and TM turned it down. We could of spent the last 3 years fine tuning it instead of wasting time with her unachievable version of a deal. Which I think is just a scam to keep us in.
More of these types of videos please. Lots of factual information presented impartially. Providing different views and potential visions of the future. We need more of this please and fewer interviews with people with an agenda!
It really needed to drive home the immense issues that breaking a peace treaty lodged with the UN would cause. Ignoring the lives it could cost in my republic for a moment and focusing purely on British economic relationships - it would severely undermine your ability to make deals, since it would make your government look extremely unreliable in all future international negotiations. That is not to mention that it could result in additional tariffs beyond the WTO ones.
Nothing is ever going to get through parliament. These different points are all important to different people. Those in favour of remaining in the EU firstly, have no incentive to back any deal because their electorate probably would not appreciate that, there is a Brexit light voting block which want to protect business, and lastly there's those who just want a hard Brexit at any cost necessary believing the UK to be in some way exceptional. Not only that, May has been trying to push through her deal, without changes, to parliament on several occasions, which is a compromise that literally no one can accept.
As a Canadian, who in their right mind would negotiate any trade deal or invest in a country as impetuous and fickle at England? The longer this goes on the worse it is going to get for their reputation. The province of Quebec came perilously close to leaving Canada, and even though they ultimately stayed, their reputation as the commercial heart of Canada was gone. Everything moved to Ontario and never came back. The UK will never get the automotive and financial services sector back from Germany, and you cannot make an economy trading in tea towels and marmelade...
Well, The UK can say goodbye to Airbus if no deal is reached 😂. There goes 14,000 direct jobs out the window and puts the 100,000 indirect ones in jeopardy.
So Brexiters would exit EU but want to keep ALL the benefits of being in EU, and at the same time get the complete autonomy? Speaking of being spoiled. Even when they were in EU they were "more equal than others", seems they can't get out of a "special flower" mindset 🙄 EU would be insane to allow them this.
I think that rejoining the EU will reduce us to being treated as desperate instead of the influence we had before Brexit. It seems it is too late to rejoin Brussels and this country is strong enough to be independent even without a deal.
These decisions should have been made before article 50 was triggered, before the referendum in fact. It's far, far too late to be talking about Canada+++ or Norway deal a month before B day. The tenant didn't like paying rent so he handed in his notice. The day before he was supposed to leave, he realized he had no where to go. The tenant is the UK.
Actually Corbyn and the SNP have backed the Norway model with a customs partnership attached to keep N Irish border open. Both ran whips in a parliamentary vote on the solution in March
Some good points made but the sticking point is the threat of a hard border in Ireland. If only there was a solution. Oh wait, let’s ask the EU! They very kindly did a report called Smart Border 2.0. In November 2017. This was simply a tactic used by the EU to divide and conquer so that we would put up our hands and say it’s too difficult, let’s remain. The EU were never going to give us a favourable trade deal as they can’t afford Brexit being a success so unfortunately, we have to leave on WTO terms. It’s not going to be pretty in the short term but leaving this anti democratic protection racket was never going to be. www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf
You missed out Turkey. That's the deal most likely to be agreed. In a customs union but not the customs union. No freedom of movement and outside the single market. The ideal Brexit for Corbyn
@Albert Pike It's a valid decision, but my point is alot of people don't realize that it also means a loss of freedom. I always hear Brits discribe themselves as expats when they live abroad, never as immigrants.
@Albert Pike you are a conspiracy theory nuttjob. You tell me to read the treaties! I educated myself about them before I voted in our referenda. I see the reality of the world around me. We have EU citizens who have come to Ireland to make it their home, they speak excellent English, work hard and contribute to our society. They benifit us and are welcome.
Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen so you'd be a sore loser, and they've tried it and it's just embarrassing because just because a thousand people protest doesn't mean their voices should over shadow that of 17.4 million people.
Excellent work guys! This is pure gold in it's purest form .9999! The way this work of art came full circle at the end was a plethora of cinematic genius! The ups the downs... Just, an amazing piece! Keep up the excellent work and absolutely can not wait until the next adventure!
Also, the Swiss 'Autonomy' is rather virtual in nature. Our parliament is nodding through hundreds of thousands of pages of EU code every year. If we don't 'autonomously' implement EU code market access diminishes over time, because our companies still want to sell there.
I am sorry to say but not having a hard border in Ireland is not any politician's preference but a result of the good Friday agreement which actually exist with the form of a low in UK and the republic of Ireland. So your facts are a bit wrong...
Do what's right, give Northern Ireland back, take Arlene Forster with you and give her a manor somewhere in Somerset and then negotiate any type of deal that you want, the Irish Border is what's stopping you.
What do you do to make a worst case plan? See what happens when any issue you can imagine works out in the worst way you can imagine. Planed to handle all the cases? Where is the problem? The things that you could not imagine, or things being worse than you imagined. Or just missed. Say there is a tense situation, and a little mass shooting on top. Hint: Travel to the EU, lean back and watch a complex dynamical system do it's thing.
Now its just about terms guiding the process of UK leaving the EU. Its effecting but not really fixing EU-UK-futur relation, and ALL is in a mess. - EU-People suffer in UK and UK one in EU, because not knowing about their futur - Compannys cant invest into a near futur, because its unpredictable, and not to mention a long term invcestment BUT my greatest fear is, that evan if this is sloved the 29th March thing, isent all this mess not continuing? In moment we have just many fractions in UK-Westminster who cant agree on something solid (sorry for my bad English, try to get what I mean, please). But if it comes to the REAL DEAL, the draft how UK-EU-realtion will be for the next minimum 20 years maybe, Westminster PLUS EU will be fragmentet... Poland might like to put all its efforts in immigrands having a good live; Germany might most focus on a good carexportcondition, France maybe on fishery rights, Spain maybe on more influence in a special peninsula... will this realy work? Can such a work wich has to pass not only Westminster but same time all EU national parlaments ( not to mention Wallony ) and EU Parlament ...and will be vetoed, if it does not pass any of this 30somthing parlaments.... can this really be done by 2020 or 2022? Or will we by than not be where we are now? For this reason I guess a hard end, with victims now, might be better for all, than a soft, painfull way with same/similar result in 2-3 years. UK need to be out on the hard way, so that all their fragments see how easy or not it is to be outside EU; UK need to be out on the hard way, so that EU and its members see what they have or missing. I dont think a immediat return (if ever) from UK to EU is a solution in UK leavers from 2016 will feel betrayed; in EU the sand from a nerly 50% of all UK EU-MPs from a UKIP2.0 party will slow down the EU-Parlament/mashine no - sorry - so hard and pitty for the once who will lose thier jobs, the once who will see their liveplans turning into dust, I think, best for all is to go the hard way. Brexit without agreement. and this with all its hardship, to make the ground for a new, maybe better, relation fromUK to EU and visa versa than it could be now, with all this poisen around
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Executive summary: The UK is screwed.
There's a model which partially mitigates negative consequences.
It is called "The UK minus NI and Scotland and Wales"
@@NJ-wb1cz So essentially the Celtic Union model?
@@JohnDundas Sure, why not!
It can be anything as long as it prevents England from managing anything and anyone other than itself ever again.
self-screwed
@@NJ-wb1cz I vote for this.
UK deserves a "Somalia minus" deal.
Does that include repatriation of Somalis?
I like this
😂😂😂😂😂
👏👏👏👏
With that difference that somalian pirates already have boats
Ore even a North Korea ++. Donald Trump will visit on a regular basis!
So naive to belive that the eu will simply accept any deal the english want.
The little Englanders who voted for this Brexit (to be clear no other part of the UK voted for Brexit) still believe they are running an Empire and others must do as they ask them to do and they are now finding out and will find out the hard way after they crash out with no deal that that is no longer the case.
Any suffering will be done by the people and not those that pushed it through
@Daniel Abrahams I doubt the dynamics will change if the UK is out of the EU.
@Daniel Abrahams i'm italian and i can breathe perfectly well. There are indeed economic and consequent social problems in my country but they stem from our huge publc debt. And trust me, it's not at all the EU's fault.
rapier1954 Farrell also Wales voted to leave. We will do just fine long term without a deal. It’s the EU who everyone should be worrying about. With Germany, France and Italy teetering on the edge a recession, it doesn’t look good. And despite Brexit, England’s and the UKs economy overall is doing just fine and will continue to do so.
It takes years to negotiate a deal like Norway's or Canada's not a few weeks. The WTO also takes a fair bit of time to put in place. So in the meantime if there is no deal I can hardly imagine the chaos that will erupt. The Brexiteers all agree they want to leave the EU but after that they can't agree on anything. Rather pathetic to put it mildly.
As though Wto conditions are going to be great for GB
They have been "planning" brexit for 2 years. So at least they should have a draft of an agreements at least...
@@ogarcia2672 why would they? Their plan is - brexit means brexit. That's it.
Know Your Defect Not only that. They also voted against the deal and against no deal. So that should be a piece of cake.
skyblaze eterno WTO conditions equal self imposed sanctions. You will be hit harder than Russia, on your own will. How on earth is that great for the UK?
Its like thinking you can quit a gym membership but still have access to the sauna, weight room, swimming pool and lockers. The Planet Fitness manager is laughing in your face!
And then accusing the manager of being obstructionist because he has the audacity of refusing to discuss these 'terms'.
You forget the bit about where the gym is packed and you can’t get to use the machines.
@@bushwhacked7112 But you still demanding all those features.
Nice analysis
Can we stop talking about leaving the customs union as a good thing because we get to "make our own trade deals" .... It's really very deceptive.
If we left the customs union we would not only have to renegotiate our trade with the EU 27 but also with the +70 countries that we currently have Free trade deals with around the world through membership of the customs union.
This means starting from zero and having to renegotiate 40 years of trade deals with over 100 countries before we could make any "new trade deals".
In addition, the trade deals we actually manage to renegotiate will be less preferential than those we currently have through the EU because we would have less negotiating power, only being able leverage a market of 64 million consumers rather than a market of 500million ( the EU single market).
We also have basically no skilled trade negotiators.
Make no mistake ... the people who pretend that brexit is about becoming "global Britain" are either stupid or lying for personal gain.
Yes it will only take a few decades to come to the level the EU is now. So may be the 50 years of JRM is true then we can see the UK could not make it happen.
But but but 😱Leave means Leave
Ok, so if you are of the mind that you want to leave the EU, this is almost like "it gets worse the longer we stay in it", it reinforces the idea that we have to get out while we still can.
@@arkatub That would be true but it turns out we can and should stay in the customs union to both preserve the trade we already have and continue to make preferential trade deals in cooperation with the EU like many other countries who are not in the EU.
And actually irrespective of the trade aspect it is THE only responsible way forward if we are to avoid a hard border in Ireland.
You’re forgetting the jobs that will be created in the trade negotiation. I wouldn’t be surprised if most brexiteer TH-cam commentators are trade negotiators drumming up new business
For those that promoted leaving the EU without even a sketch of a plan , the new nirvana is in the special place where all the unicorns live .
In Nigel Farage's case this place is called Germany, where he -moved- has his kids. _Edit: corrected._
@@NJ-wb1cz Fart age > huckster .
@Jean Jacque Lundi it's true. -He did get his kids German citizenship.-
No he didn't, his kids simply have it and speak fluent German.
-And also applied for one himself, but they denied his application.-
No real evidence of this. He visited a German embassy and refused to answer a direct question with a "no", which started rumors. Later he said that he visited German embassy on a personal matter, without further elaboration. There's no definitive proof one way or the other, but in the absense of better info should be considered false.
-I think pretty much everyone knows, but people just don't care anymore. Those who love brexit will love brexit no matter what and tune out everything that doesn't fit in their ideology, and the rest hate him anyway.-
_Edit: corrected the post. Sorry for the misinformation, I really should've known better than believe in persistent murmurs on social media._
The Cameron government called the referendum, the Cameron government should have been planning years before for the possibility of a leave win However unlikely they believed it would be, instead they thought project fear would win and then came well unstuck and run away.
@Jean Jacque Lundi It isn't true, though. Farage's kids have a German mother, so that kind of makes sense. He didn't apply for German citizenship himself. I can't stand the guy, but we shouldn't stoop to Brexiters' level and just start making stuff up.
It was so stupid to vote without having decided which of these options we meant. Should've done a two stage vote or something, just saying leave the EU is too vague, when we vote we need a manifesto to vote on, a fully thought out plan.
So very true. You bought a pig in a bag and are stuck with it.
The end default position should have been a vote on the negotiated deal Vs the current deal. Rather than leaving with less than we had at the start 😂
@@randomdaveUK Brexit itself is not favourable
This is what happens when the politicians who called the vote did not expect the public to go against their preferred outcome. The first rule of politics is never let people vote on anything important. Democracy is not about letting people have their say.
@@kkr6549 the people didn't vote on anything important. The vote was merely advisory.
Cameron was arrogant and manipulative, but he wasn't a total idiot.
May, on the other hand, was. For triggering Article 50 without a plan and without enough votes in the Parliament.
Brexiters so busy talking about what they want, they forgot to check what they can actually get.
Let them first agree what they actually want.
Then we are already half way getting things done.
It'll be their economy that suffers more if they don't agree to whatever we want. They only pretend that they have a say in the matter...push comes to shove and the EU will 100% cave in to pressure. They could have a continent wide riot of workers, as their jobs will definitely be affected..thereby making more countries want to leave. So i don't think they'll take the risk tbh.
He forgot the Unicorn++ Model.
Where you jump off a cliff calling the names of the 3 Unicorns: Sovereignia, TradeDeallia and BorderControllia, children of Xen of Phobia.
Made my day xD
CaballusKnight, you win the comment section! Congrats! 🏆👍😂😂😂
Hillarious !!!
"Xen of Phobia" is just genius 😂
HAHAHAHAHA brilliant! I love 'children of Xen of Phobia'. And the idiots claim they're not xenophobic.
Norway plus, Canada plus, the UK should get South Sudan minus minus minus for their excessive national pride, thinking they're better than anyone else & causing all of this turmoil
We are better!
@@DanCassidyGB well ok then...goodbye and good riddance arrogant plonkers
Why would Norway, Canada trust them after this?
@@mactoirdealbhaigh7624 The world is dying to take advantage of the UK
@@MrIvarlira that's why it's important to be part of a trading block...no country in the world deals only on WTO terms
This video would've been great in 2016.
Sadly it still is!
That is if you can figure out which one is the best way for UK going forward after watching it. So have you? I think politicians knew all these options in 2016, yet they still can't agree on one.
@@joseph_wei Revoke article 50. The Leave campaign broke the law. That is enough.
@@MrIvarlira I don't generally believe the party based system UK has is democracy, but nothing is more democratic than referendum. So if democracy is to be followed...
@@joseph_wei Where do you base your opinion about referenda being the most democratic system that exists? There is no evidence of that anywhere. Any election or referendum that is linked with crime, lies or suspicious activities is not democratic. Full stop. I think we can all agree on that.
British people are the only ones losing freedom of movement not the EU. 🙄
EU citizens will still be able to work, live and study in 27 other countries where they don't have to live in a hostile environment. 🤷♀️
I’ve seen Romanians and Bulgarians working in Spain for €30 per day...sounds great.
@@bushwhacked7112 yes. great for Spanish.
@@bushwhacked7112Have you heard of slavery happening in the UK? Shut up!
ok then watch more countries withdrawing from the EU when the EEU citizen will infest the rest of europe
Mo Hsn sorry, we can’t see your dreams. Only you can. Careful not to wake up in a sweat the moment an EU citizen gives you a hand in the dream.
After reviewing all the options described in the video, the best option is to remain as a full member of the EU. We have already the best deal.
Correct , however logic is no use with Brexiteers .
@richard hutchinson What do you imagine this independence thing to be? The UK parliament come to the conclusion that they had always be sovereign. So what imagined thing is it?
@richard hutchinson So how should it have been done better? a detailed plan best based on a study would be nice from which you could cite.
@richard hutchinson All my Scottish colleagues are also leavers like you. But it is the UK, not the EU.
richard hutchinson You had 3 Brexiteers doing the negotiations (davis, hunt, Johnson), and you achieved nothing.
UK Brexiteers: I want to have cake and eat it too.
EU: We can't do that... you eat and your cake and is gone, you have to buy more
UK: I don't get it, why I can't have cake and eat it too?
EU: Logic and Reality
UK: What is reality?
EU: Never mind, please leave my shop
UK: I want to have cake and eat it too.
EU: Security please escort this demented person.
This is the arrogance of the Brits. they are in denial that the sun has set on the British empire . They still want to believe they are a special bunch. Like that soccer mom who was a beauty pageant queen in the 80's and believes she's still desirable.
It's easy: No matter what it won't be as good as EU membership.
It's easy: accept that you lost the referendum and stop crying :)
Oh, I didn't. I am sitting here with my popcorn and watch the circus.
Poor dude. Just wants to have a holiday in the EU without a visa, but doesn't realise this political union is raping your country
@john hansberry Nothing can replace frictionless trade with the most successful and largest single market, but the EU single market.
@Salterino Kripperino What is this based on? Do you have at least one study you cite from to support your claim? Or are we talking here about your gut feelings?
Lol, anyway I just came here to read comments who's with me here oooh
Reading Brexit related comments has become a hobby of mine
@@arttulaulainen8651 me to😅
@@anthonyburke5677 Lol. Loving this Anthony...
The ships about too sink!!
@@derekparke9482 its fascinating 😅 all the unicorn lies are been shown to be lies now!
I think the British are stubborn enough to leave at the end of March 😅
@richard hutchinson this is not a waste of time!
Brexit helps people all over the world to overcome depression, feel better about their own countries, and to become empowered to create and be more productive - if such morons managed to stay at the top this long, there's no limit to your own possibilies!
Honestly, as a Dutchman, I want to ask to a Brit, I know there must be one reading my comment: Is control over immigration really worth the monetary and stability-price you'll be paying for it? And don't you worry that the silver tsunami will hit you even harder if you close off the border to immigrants?
No. We already have control of immigration but the government have let things slide. Immigration is wrongly being used as a stick to beat the EU with.
Most brits didn't vote for this far right disaster.
Alexio Despacito you're not so wrong about a lot of things. But if you don't want to live in isolation (a good right, too), then you have to move on the world stage. And there the bigger ones swallow the small fish. It's always been that way and that's how the UK got rich. The EU is already so far developed in many areas that it can defend itself against the biggest players. Uk will not be able to do that remotely. The eu is aware of the democratic deficit, but - and this is perhaps the only huge disadvantage - everyone is allowed to have their say and it takes a long time. That is a kind of democracy between Nationalities as well. Often very indirectly, but nevertheless
and having confidence in the current political class of uk is risky. I trust the EU technocrats much more. They may be politicians, but they are also technocrats who adhere to rules and regulations (well, mostly).
@ALexio Despacito Can you give me an example of an EU law which threatens the unwritten British constitution, parliament or the crown?
You will still be subservient to judicial power from outside the UK after Brexit, it doesn't mean leaving the UN or Geneva convention etc, you could still end up being tried by an international
court.
The EU has a commission who's members are appointed by the elected governments of the member states so they are indirectly elected, just like the American president!
You might not know who your MEP's are but that's your fault for being wilfully ignorant, that information isn't secret.
Seeing as we all know how the British political system works and how it is a shining example of "true democratic accountability" you'll be able explain why there are currently 92 unelected peers making decisions on our behalf? Or how it is possible for a party to get less then half the vote but still get a parliamentary majority?
If all the rest of the small countries in Europe are about to be swallowed up by this imaginary EU supper state why does no one else want to leave?
You didn't vote remain, nice try Leave Troll...
@ALexio Despacito Thank you for your explanation. I would personally rather have the UK in the Union, but I respect your view. I wanted to ask, since you said that the European elite vote for the EU legislators: are you aware that there are European elections in May, and every 4 years? Where the European citizens can vote for the parliament?
And one last thing, it might not be relevant to you, but it might. The UK has voted in favour of most of the laws passed by the EU. When it comes to values, the EU is congruent with the British, most often.
Whatever the outcome, I hope we will reach a deal and that the UK won't plunge into chaos with a no-deal Brexit. Putin already got what he wanted, but no-deal would really make him happy...
Say goodbye to Ireland and Scotland.
@Salterino Kripperino so Scotland will choose a market of a couple of billion vs a market worth hundreds of billions? And prominent Protestants are already saying they have an open mind about reunification.
I don't like the european union I think it's poorly designed and undemocratic but human nature is about the path of least resistance. And in Europe they already have the trade deals, they have a bigger market and the northern Irish could work out a sweet deal with the republic for self rule. That's not mentioning freedom of movement. Sorry dude, England will only have the Welsh to keep them company. That's assuming a deal, if not London will look like Flint Michigan.
For you foreigners Google Flint Mi. or watch any Michael Moore movie.
@Salterino Kripperino What colour is the sky in your world?
Ireland is in the EU, Scotland is in the UK 😂😂😂
@Salterino Kripperino You do know there was freedom of movement within the British empire, that's where most of the immigrants you hate came from and Brexit won't stop that...
@Salterino Kripperino first of all I'm American so I really could not care if the UK torched itself. All it means to me is the price of fish and chips will plummet. Democracy is nice but money Trump's it and you guys just made earning a living, that much harder.
Would have been wise to decide the preferred model for yourself two years ago, that is before signing Article 50.
The UK would have had a much better negotiation position if it knew what it wanted.
But it would never have had a majority, because
48% voted for 1 option (remain)
And 52% voted for 10 different options under 1 name (leave)
UK would have a much better negotiation position if they gave their negotiators the authority to deal instead of having to run back home to ask if it's allright.
When it began the EU27 gave Barnier the authority to deal, with very defined limits, and set up a comitee in case there were some issues that weren't dealt with beforehand. Very logical, very effective.
May on the other hand first negotiates, agrees to a deal, and then asks parliament if she can agree to it...
Are you all seriously giving the final word on No Deal to Nigel Farage?
@@slow.poetry -well, nobody is perfect, especially them... :-)
Yes plz
How about the European Union model?
I see what you did there
Zimbabwe minus minus.
2 1/2 years of "bla bla bla"
That's optimistic.
You lost all creditability when you included Rees-Mogg and Farage as if they were honest and actually knew what they were talking about.
You lost all credibility when you couldn't spell credibility.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 go and play some golf before it's your 8pm bed time, boomer leave voter
Well, at least, the NHS will get 300 million pounds a week in return, won't it? Hmm, just kiding I'm afraid...
Wasn't in 350? Better ask Farage ....
You're right, but then again, let's not be too petty... After all, 50 million is like nothing for a Brexiteer... ;-) Let's settle for 300 million as a start. :-D
I don't recall that ever been promised?
@Salterino Kripperino Sorry, that 40B is already negotiated and agreed on. Of course you can withhold the payments, but that would mean breaking an international agreement, fines and perhaps even international sanctions....
@@jameswhiteley6843 Oh, i belive i saw it on a bus behind Farage et al. before the vote...
I dont understand this comparison with Canada. We are far away from EU we have always been a sovereign country and we have never been am member EU. This is just a trade deal and it took seven years - and it nearly failed. There is a still border control you just can see it in the middle of the ocean.
Yeah, sorry about that nearly failing thing. It wasn't anything personal, just a bit of local politics where the deal was used to make a point to the other side of the political spectrum
The best thing to do is to reverse the disaster that is brexit, The EU is the best option for Britain.
Nationalists always choose self destruction over retro-pedaling and dealing with reality.
I think Brexit is the new season of Monthy Python.
It has all our favorite skits, the "Upper Class Twits", the "Fish Slap Dance", the "Funniest Joke in The World", the "Black Knight", "Romans go home!", the regular appearance of the Spanish Inquisition, May running around with a dead parrot in hand (it's just resting; beautiful plumage!), etc, but everything is so much more real and visceral!
This has Graham Chapman written all over it.
Kids were very different then, they didn't have their heads filled with all this Cartesian dualism...
The Python team were prophets. No, not that one!
all the deeds of David Cam... coming back to bite.
The title answer: none of the options. No Canada because it’s a very specific deal and never fit UK ....Norway style it’s not what UK want and Eu won’t agree even .....Switzerland also not fit the UK style and people’s wish. WTO can’t work. EU it’s not a country it’s a block. So to deal with each country separately it’s against the rules of EU. Hahhahhaa so none !
The EU would probably accept a Norway deal, but it is doubtfull Norway would let the UK into EFTA since it would really screw with the voting balance of the union.
This video would have made sense two years ago. You didn’t choose these plans, you chose Mays plan, and now have decided maybe you don’t even want your own plan. And you don’t want the only other two options: cancel brexit, or no deal (well excepting the 30% that are flat out dumb as rocks).
I've known it since I was a child; British humour is the best!!
Pretty dark humor!
So basically, you want to eat the cake, but you don't want to bake it.
I like how Brits still believe they can eat all the cake, have cake left and pay nothing for it ;]
Should have been mandatory viewing prior to the referendum
A bit late Channel 4.
You (Britons) really need a news organization to learn the most important facts of your life?
So, here are my ten steps out of this mess.
Step 1: revoke Art 50 notice - (not the Act empowering the Govt to give notice) - it's a simple letter, but politically difficult
Step 2: All politicians to explain why it has not been possible to achieve Brexit in the time anticipated - and apologise to the electorate for a colossal waste of time
Step 3: Govt to focus on addressing urgent issues in the country (yes, there are a few that need looking at!)
Step 4: MPs split off from existing parties into realigning on Leave vs Remain lines (that's the new divide)
Step 5: Short order cross-party enquiry into the realistic options for Brexit - to be brought back to Parliament
Step 6: Parliament - now substantially in control after several Labour and Tory MPs resign their whips - consider the options and vote again on mandating the Govt on a Deal that can command Parliamentary support
Step 7: Govt accepts the mandate and seeks further negotiation with EU
Step 8: Govt does not accept mandate and/or resigns or is voted out in No Confidence motion
Step 9: New political configuration emerges - in the confused chaos of multiple parties in a First-Past-the-Post two-party biased system
Step 10: It will never get here, but if it does, we will have a chance of keeping the UK together as a Union of four countries, with a national unity coalition that can decide to either renew the plan to Leave or revert to how things were ie remaining in the EU.
PS - we would have few friends among the 27 but it is not as if we ave not made a lauging stock of ourselves already.
The Brexit should have been prepared and thought through first... like... for at least 5 years.....and then implemented.
Some are planning it for 40 years and still no plan.
It's all about the new European taxes on tax havens that start at April 2 2019
Just stop all this and remain...get on with fixing the NHS instead
@Albert Pike
And how has the EU destroyed the NHS?
All surrounding countries have already innovated their healthcare system. I did some calculations on the different budgets. To get the NHS to a comparable level as the surrounding countries it roughly needs to invest 1 billion per week extra.
Jim Hacker for PM!
All this mess happened because of a red bus. Image reading history books about it in ten years. A bit depressing
@Salterino Kripperino you wish
@Kees De Jong He obviously doesn't. A mad attention seeker.
I feel for the reputation of every British person. The world is looking at the British with pitty.
@@MrIvarlira Not really. Pity went out of the window when they called us nazi's for the fourth time.
@@GorinRedspear Irresponsible spoiled brats. I hate Brexiters. There is a price to pay for being xenophobic and ignorant.
Nigel Farage part when said , worse case scenario, WTO ...😂😂... WAS CLASS , now he says WTO , us a God given Heaven on earth !!!
The best deal is the one we already have. End of.
Exactly
As a Norwegian. Don't go for the Norwegian deal. Yes it is better than being in the EU, but not that much better. UK, you have the chance to do it right, don't look to Norway. Yes we can make our own trade deals which is great, have our own customs rules, and have complete control over our fishery and agricultural area. All great. But we "have" to accept a bunch of regulations and laws to stay a member of EEA.
I say "have" to, because we don't. When we had a referendum to join, all parties in our parliament agreed to change our constitution in order to join the EU if the Norwegian population wanted to. Now if that did happen we had to change our constitution (Which requires 2/3 majority to do so) since our fist article states that Norway is a sovereign country and all laws and regulations is to be controlled by the government of Norway. Now since we didn't join the EU the first article of our constitution didn't change.
However, every law and regulation that the EU passes (outside of fishery and agricultural) Norway is expected to pass, but that law needs to pass in our parliament as well, and we can say no if we want to. Saying no has an unknown consequence.
EU expect us to pass their laws, but our constitution forbids EU to pass them for us, meaning our parliament gets to choose. We could probably say no to some, but at some point EU might get angry and deny us access to the single market. Thus neither the left and the right biggest party have dared to say NO, so we are basically an EU member without a vote (Except fishery and agriculture). Our political party are sheep, scared sheep.
The will to leave EEA among the population in Norway has increased since Brexit in 2016, if UK fare well after leaving, it might hopefully lead to Norway leaving the EEA, we can only hope.
Key problem for the UK: ALL these countries and deals that the EU made, were made with countries that were NEVER part of the EU. They didn't "leave the club" and then seek to keep having access to the swimming pool.
The EU has absolutely zero incentive to give ANY of these deals to the UK. Because that would jeopardise the entire EU. If Britain gets a good deal, other EU countries will just go ahead and follow in Britain's footsteps. And that's something the burocretins in Brussels, the Chancellery of the European Reich in Berlin and their pet dogs in Paris do NOT want.
The media have seriously let us down these past couple of years.
Not really. If people are unwilling to research even at a basic level it is a lack of interest in education that's the problem
you let yourselves down, don't blame ANYBODY else
The last 50 years
People need to stop paying the license fee. Its fuking ridiculous at this point.
Also, broadcasting house should definitely be on the yellow vests route.
Blame blame blame
++ My foot! You can't always get what you want. UK will definetly crash out.
I'm still really cloudy on all of this. If the UK was granted no extension at the end of 2020 and had to fall back on WTO rules, that doesn't have to be forever, does it? Say it falls back to WTO rules at the start of 2021- the UK could still work indefinitely on making its own individual, specific deals, right?
Mr. Farage seems to forget that this club he calls the EU, has helped the UK's economy in ways you cannot imagine.
There are some glaring schoolboy errors here about the Norway model - which, I hasten to add, was supported by none other than Nigel Farage and Ukip from their entrance on the political scene until around 2015 when the referendum became certain to be held.
Firstly, it is not true that Norway has to accept free movement no matter what. Liechtenstein, which has the same relationship to the EU as Norway via its Efta membership, has *unilaterally* suspended free movement as it is entitled to do under Article 112 EEA Agreement. The situation is then reviewed every six months with the aim of resuming free movement once the domestic concerns are resolved, but Liechtenstein has de facto suspended it indefinitely. Also, the UK should be merciless in clamping down on non-EU immigration, over which it has never lost control but negligently refused to tackle.
Secondly, Norway does not simply swallow all the rules. The rules it does take are only those related to the Single Market, which is as much the province of Efta as it is the EU and would cut the total percentage of laws we do get by about 80%. This honours the old euroskeptic refrain that "we should go back to the old Common Market and cut out the political union". Insofar as proposed rules affect the Efta countries, they are consulted every step of the way. Moreover, Norway has a seat - and thus input - in its own right in regulatory bodies such as Unece, from which the EU copies and pastes a good bulk of regulations into EU law. The Efta countries punch well above their weight.
The notion that Norway is some sort of "fax democracy" is in fact a *Remainer* myth promulgated by the likes of Nick Clegg to attack euroskeptics and try to dupe the public into believing that EU membership is necessary for our voice to carry any weight; to see these roles completely reversed - Clegg et al now hold up Norway as a model for compromise and Farage et al have adopted the "fax democracy" rhetoric - is utterly bizarre.
Finally, Norway+ is a fraud and unnecessary. It's a whole different species and guts the Norway model of its attractiveness because of the Customs Union element.
The real problem is, Brexit does not only need a deal with EU, but also with other countries out of EU.
Quote - "Whether you’re a leaver or remainer none of the existing models will deliver everything on your wish list." WRONG!! if you're a remainer, scrapping Brexit altogether is the perfect model!
This short video is admirably concise and comprehensive. The final sentence is a gem of much needed common sense. I believe most UK politician would benefit from watching it
People in most EU countries (e.g. Austria, where I am from, and Germany) were very skeptical about the CETA deal, and governments were only able to ratify it since everyone feels Canada is just a small part of our trade, and Canadians are not perceived as capitalist raiders like the US, or I’m afraid, the British. People would be very upset if the British were given a similar deal. The most offensive thing for Europeans is the negativity about immigration from Europe, when Britain has cultivated immigration from all over the world for decades, and Britons have themselves been keen to live, work, vacation and retire in other countries.
All those different tade deal models were just brainfarts of Brexit politicians in UK.
Any "Norway deal " was impossible and here is why:
Neither the EU, nor its current 27 member States, are members of EFTA. After Brexit, the UK, not being a member of EFTA, and not anymore an EU member, could not be an EEA member and could not be a candidate to become one.
Article 126 EEA states that the Agreement shall apply to the territories which the Treaty establishing the EEC (today the EU) and to the territories of Iceland, the Principality of Liechtenstein and the Kingdom of Norway . These three States are members of EFTA and, in accordance with articles 108 of the EEA Agreement, have established the EFTA Surveillance Authority and the EFTA Court. Both these institutions are only competent for these three States. Their role is to ensure the fulfillment by the EEA EFTA States of their obligations under the EEA Agreement. They are not competent for Switzerland, despite this country being a member of EFTA.
UK could never establish those institutions outside of EFTA because of the named article of the EEA treaty.
Procedurally, in order to become a member of the EEA the UK would first have to present its candidacy and negotiate and conclude an accession agreement to become an EFTA member according to article 56 of the Convention establishing the EFTA. This is because the EEA cannot apply to non EU member States, with the exception of Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, precisely because they are members of EFTA according to article 126 of the EEA. Thus, the UK will have to negotiate an accession treaty to EFTA with the four members of this organisation: Switzerland and the three EEA EFTA members.
Once becoming an EFTA member, the UK will then have to negotiate an EEA accession treaty with the 31 entities which are members of the EEA: the EU, its 27 member States and the three EEA EFTA members. The Parties could agree to proceed to both negotiations at the same time.
The Tory governments just thougght EU would bend over and compromise the single market by allowing UK to have these cherrypicking deals. Well it did not happen. The TCA that UK has now is as good a deal it can get from EU. The remainers/rejoiners still believe UK can "rejoin the single market and the customs union as a first step towards membership". That is of course complete and utter fantasies.
What brexit has lead to is that now, in 2024, EU is taking the Euro denominated clearing of derivatives out of London and moving it into EU financial centers. It wanted to do it already a decade ago but UK took it to the ECJ in won and could keep it. Not so now as a third country.
The one thing I have never, ever, heard is: "for example, country X is desperate to sign an agreement with us under these new rules". Every single treaty between countries that I have seen come true has been the conclusion of years of negotiations from strong groups in both countries, so committed that they finally prevail. If no country in the world is begging the UK to finalize Brexit, no country in the world is ready to move heaven and earth to sign a new treaty, and "No Deal Brexit" will become "No Deal with Anybody Forever Brexit".
Labour is the closest to the Norwegian+ model? Didn't the labour party wanted to keep having new referendums about leaving the EU until they got their desired result? Meaning not leaving the EU at all?
I don't understand why people want restrictions on the freedom of movement. Future generations will feel sorry for us
Norway and UK would never pay EU similar money because the amounts are calculated according to a country’s population. With its population UK would pay ca 4,5 billion pounds in the Norway model. May seem cheaper than the current 9 billion, but then a large part of that money returns to you, doesn’t it? While Norway doesn’t get any donations from the EU.
Forget Parliament; they already decided a 'no deal' exit would follow no agreement. A WTO exit, or as we say BREXIT results, and our democracy is preserved.Trade deals will follow - no need for the Remoaner obsession with the various flavours of not exiting.
Channel 4 is committing a criminal offence by taking public funds for broadcasting and not being 'fair and balanced'. - Shut it down!
This video is the most informative & non-biased one that I, a very confused American, have found. Thanks fot the information.
As a EU citizen I like the "No More Spoiled Cherrypicking Crybabies - Deal" the most. Bye bye UK. Hope you will leave without a deal. Oh and... never come back.
Brits as usual self-centered. What makes you think we're going to accept your conditions??
This is so awkward, but EU never had these "deals" on the table. Why British even discuss/compare these models is beyond me.
I´m sure something could be worked out if there is a serious move towards striking a deal. But first UK needs to agree among themselves what they want.
The EU offered the Canada+ deal and TM turned it down. We could of spent the last 3 years fine tuning it instead of wasting time with her unachievable version of a deal. Which I think is just a scam to keep us in.
More of these types of videos please. Lots of factual information presented impartially. Providing different views and potential visions of the future. We need more of this please and fewer interviews with people with an agenda!
It really needed to drive home the immense issues that breaking a peace treaty lodged with the UN would cause.
Ignoring the lives it could cost in my republic for a moment and focusing purely on British economic relationships - it would severely undermine your ability to make deals, since it would make your government look extremely unreliable in all future international negotiations. That is not to mention that it could result in additional tariffs beyond the WTO ones.
Nothing is ever going to get through parliament. These different points are all important to different people. Those in favour of remaining in the EU firstly, have no incentive to back any deal because their electorate probably would not appreciate that, there is a Brexit light voting block which want to protect business, and lastly there's those who just want a hard Brexit at any cost necessary believing the UK to be in some way exceptional. Not only that, May has been trying to push through her deal, without changes, to parliament on several occasions, which is a compromise that literally no one can accept.
Harsh reality that Britain is not an Empire any longer and cannot pick and choose (aka enforce) rules upon its subjects
As a Canadian, who in their right mind would negotiate any trade deal or invest in a country as impetuous and fickle at England? The longer this goes on the worse it is going to get for their reputation. The province of Quebec came perilously close to leaving Canada, and even though they ultimately stayed, their reputation as the commercial heart of Canada was gone. Everything moved to Ontario and never came back. The UK will never get the automotive and financial services sector back from Germany, and you cannot make an economy trading in tea towels and marmelade...
Also know that the fee is based of population. So yeah 345 million is much lower than what the UK pays, but Norway also has a much smaller population.
Well, The UK can say goodbye to Airbus if no deal is reached 😂. There goes 14,000 direct jobs out the window and puts the 100,000 indirect ones in jeopardy.
So Brexiters would exit EU but want to keep ALL the benefits of being in EU, and at the same time get the complete autonomy? Speaking of being spoiled. Even when they were in EU they were "more equal than others", seems they can't get out of a "special flower" mindset 🙄 EU would be insane to allow them this.
WTO rules are outdated, the last 20 years were about multi and bilateral deals and it will be hard to catch up.
I think that rejoining the EU will reduce us to being treated as desperate instead of the influence we had before Brexit. It seems it is too late to rejoin Brussels and this country is strong enough to be independent even without a deal.
I’m a Canadian that came here because I saw Canada
These decisions should have been made before article 50 was triggered, before the referendum in fact. It's far, far too late to be talking about Canada+++ or Norway deal a month before B day.
The tenant didn't like paying rent so he handed in his notice. The day before he was supposed to leave, he realized he had no where to go.
The tenant is the UK.
This isn't going terribly well, is it?
I cannot believe that it took the UK more than two years before being able to produce this table comparison of models for the future relationship.
Actually Corbyn and the SNP have backed the Norway model with a customs partnership attached to keep N Irish border open. Both ran whips in a parliamentary vote on the solution in March
Canada took 7yrs because they weren't compliant.. we are. The EU even offered a FTA like this
Don't want te be a EU member. Don't like the Norway model.
You people will end up with the great Russian model.
Oh great my sister was going to visit Britain this summer but now I wonder what will be happening in Britain during the summer !
Some good points made but the sticking point is the threat of a hard border in Ireland. If only there was a solution. Oh wait, let’s ask the EU! They very kindly did a report called Smart Border 2.0. In November 2017. This was simply a tactic used by the EU to divide and conquer so that we would put up our hands and say it’s too difficult, let’s remain. The EU were never going to give us a favourable trade deal as they can’t afford Brexit being a success so unfortunately, we have to leave on WTO terms. It’s not going to be pretty in the short term but leaving this anti democratic protection racket was never going to be.
www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf
You missed out Turkey. That's the deal most likely to be agreed. In a customs union but not the customs union. No freedom of movement and outside the single market. The ideal Brexit for Corbyn
Norway pays 345 million for 5 million people. That's more per head than the UK pays.
Who says controlling free movement is a good thing. It also means loosing the right to live, work, own property or retire in another EU country.
@Albert Pike It's a valid decision, but my point is alot of people don't realize that it also means a loss of freedom.
I always hear Brits discribe themselves as expats when they live abroad, never as immigrants.
@Albert Pike we have a few immigrants living over here in Ireland for a few hundred years and they still think they're British
@Albert Pike We are a member state of the EU.
How can we defeat ourselves?
What happened in 2002?
@Albert Pike okay,😕😕 I need to go now bye bye🤪🤪
@Albert Pike you are a conspiracy theory nuttjob. You tell me to read the treaties! I educated myself about them before I voted in our referenda.
I see the reality of the world around me. We have EU citizens who have come to Ireland to make it their home, they speak excellent English, work hard and contribute to our society. They benifit us and are welcome.
If I were a Brit I'd take to the streets to remain in the EU now. This looks bad..
Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen so you'd be a sore loser, and they've tried it and it's just embarrassing because just because a thousand people protest doesn't mean their voices should over shadow that of 17.4 million people.
There are no Canada +++ there are a CETA the + is cooperation on Security, education, science,
None of those exist because they haven't been negotiated.
You'll need another plus for the backstop.
Excellent work guys! This is pure gold in it's purest form .9999! The way this work of art came full circle at the end was a plethora of cinematic genius! The ups the downs... Just, an amazing piece! Keep up the excellent work and absolutely can not wait until the next adventure!
The result of the referendum was brexit, no mention of any deals included.
You need to understand to Britain not always getting what you want is not a concept they're familiar with.
The UK will ultimately get what it wants.
Comments seem to think the EU will exist in a few years. Lol
Mauritania plus plus sounds like something the UK deserves
Also, the Swiss 'Autonomy' is rather virtual in nature. Our parliament is nodding through hundreds of thousands of pages of EU code every year. If we don't 'autonomously' implement EU code market access diminishes over time, because our companies still want to sell there.
I am sorry to say but not having a hard border in Ireland is not any politician's preference but a result of the good Friday agreement which actually exist with the form of a low in UK and the republic of Ireland. So your facts are a bit wrong...
Leave means leave. Sign the UK open petition for a no deal Brexit 351,425 MBGA
Do what's right, give Northern Ireland back, take Arlene Forster with you and give her a manor somewhere in Somerset and then negotiate any type of deal that you want, the Irish Border is what's stopping you.
What do you do to make a worst case plan? See what happens when any issue you can imagine works out in the worst way you can imagine. Planed to handle all the cases? Where is the problem? The things that you could not imagine, or things being worse than you imagined. Or just missed. Say there is a tense situation, and a little mass shooting on top. Hint: Travel to the EU, lean back and watch a complex dynamical system do it's thing.
The fact that BoJo & NiFa still roams around freely, after lighting the first match to this Grand Arson, astounds me !!
Now its just about terms guiding the process of UK leaving the EU. Its effecting but not really fixing EU-UK-futur relation, and ALL is in a mess.
- EU-People suffer in UK and UK one in EU, because not knowing about their futur
- Compannys cant invest into a near futur, because its unpredictable, and not to mention a long term invcestment
BUT my greatest fear is, that evan if this is sloved the 29th March thing, isent all this mess not continuing? In moment we have just many fractions in UK-Westminster who cant agree on something solid (sorry for my bad English, try to get what I mean, please). But if it comes to the REAL DEAL, the draft how UK-EU-realtion will be for the next minimum 20 years maybe, Westminster PLUS EU will be fragmentet... Poland might like to put all its efforts in immigrands having a good live; Germany might most focus on a good carexportcondition, France maybe on fishery rights, Spain maybe on more influence in a special peninsula... will this realy work? Can such a work wich has to pass not only Westminster but same time all EU national parlaments ( not to mention Wallony ) and EU Parlament ...and will be vetoed, if it does not pass any of this 30somthing parlaments.... can this really be done by 2020 or 2022?
Or will we by than not be where we are now?
For this reason I guess a hard end, with victims now, might be better for all, than a soft, painfull way with same/similar result in 2-3 years.
UK need to be out on the hard way, so that all their fragments see how easy or not it is to be outside EU; UK need to be out on the hard way, so that EU and its members see what they have or missing.
I dont think a immediat return (if ever) from UK to EU is a solution
in UK leavers from 2016 will feel betrayed; in EU the sand from a nerly 50% of all UK EU-MPs from a UKIP2.0 party will slow down the EU-Parlament/mashine
no - sorry - so hard and pitty for the once who will lose thier jobs, the once who will see their liveplans turning into dust, I think, best for all is to go the hard way. Brexit without agreement.
and this with all its hardship, to make the ground for a new, maybe better, relation fromUK to EU and visa versa than it could be now, with all this poisen around