I'm pretty certain that the DWP wastes more than £2bn over a few years in having to pay for failed appeals and tribunals, and subsequent back payments to all the people they wrongly deny benefits. They also 'save' a fortune through not having to pay benefits to all the people who just don't have the fight in them to continue to insist upon their entitlement. As part of the disabled community and as someone who keeps up with disability rights progress, I can attest to so many cases of this, it's heartbreaking. I've also endured multiple long battles myself, and won every time because they lie, obfuscate and evade. It's frankly terrifying that the DWP will get more powers - they are unable to effectively wield the powers they DO have, to the detriment of all concerned.
Excellent comment! I can testify to all you have said. The DWP are just about unaccountable and are intrinsic in the eventual deaths of some innocent claimants. As you said some coroner's inquests have reported the same but the eventual enquiry on this was brushed off and buried amongst all the other evils we are enduring these last few years. DWP claim fraud is actually peanuts compared to big business and other tax "dodges"
Anecdotally I can agree. I got denied PIP with 0s across the board and a report filled with outright lies. Didn’t have it in me to keep fighting and stopped. It’s horribly demoralising and I can’t see these additional powers as being used for anything good.
@@GoneFishin247 they under paid me for 3 years when i asked for it back they said because it was over 3 years i wasnt entitled to it! But then they contacted me saying they had over paid me 6 years before that and i had to pay it back! I lost £600 i was owed and they claimed back about £200 which was later found to be money i was indeed entitled to have so they refused to pay it back after collectiong it from my benefit, I appealed but lost the appeal on the grounds it was over the 3 year limit from the initial time they said i was over paid! Even though it was money they knew i was entitled to! Ps in case anyone is wondering g why I claimed so long, I've worked all my life since I was 15 then had an accident and I'm semi disabled so long term.sick
I have worked and paid my taxes for 35 years and 6 years ago I was diagnosed with a very aggressive form of rhumourtoid arthritis which ended my 35 year job as a car mechanic so ended up on ESA and pip which they gave me for 2 years there is no cure for what I have. When my renewal came up there was no change in my condition sent the pip2 forms back along with all my recent medical reports and letter from my rhumortologist etc. They sent an assessor round and what a fu###n horrible woman they took away all my benefits because of the crock of lies on her and the decision makers report the answers were completely different to what I said. Saying I no longer need medication ( I am on low dose chemotherapy drugs to lower my immune system which makes my life a bit more bearable). This is for life or until they no longer work for me. Said at best I am only taking aspirin for pain. Kept refering to my condition as mild rhumatism nothing more and I am exaggerating my condition for attention this was all in the decision makers report I do cycle and have to do some gym work 2 or 3 times a week just for pain management and to keep me mobile. Said I use my bicycle to visit my brother 3to4 times a week,and calculated some fictitious milage based on the conversations at assesment to make it look like it's over 50% of the time my brother lives in New South Wales Australia lol. This was November 2019 I had to wait 2years for an appeal date because of the pandemic and I almost lost my home but I won my case last year but I still had to fight for my money because the judge made a mistake on the dates to where it needs to be back dated to so pip held the money back until the judge rectified it but the judge was adamant that she had not made a mistake this went on for months and months I rang DWP begging to let me have some of my money only to be told no. In the end my case worker from welfare rights managed to sort it out I have finally received my backdated money and had all my benefits reinstated this year and I am not the only one who has been through this so God forbid if DWP get more powers when they abuse and lie the ones they have now..
The PPE fiasco comes to mind, billions wasted but since tory donors benefitted it didn't matter. The form of capitalism that is currently in use is just socialism for the rich, the benefit system has been transformed into a system where corporations and the rich get very generous allowances that vastly reduces any tax they have to pay. The tax consultancy firms that writes the tax laws then get employed to advise on how to benefit from the loopholes they left in the rules they wrote.
I don't support benefit fraud, but this stinks of giving them permission to go on fishing expeditions, something the police can't do. There isn't the same desire to go after covid fraud.
Nobody relying on the DWP would say that if you are legitimately claiming benefits you have nothing to worry about. I am on the autism spectrum and this won't change, but I have to prove to the DWP every few years that I haven't got better. I think anyone with a hidden disability would be very disturbed by this.
My sister has Downs Syndrome. My father, now in his 80's, has been her sole carer since my mum died. He still gets letters periodically asking if her condition has changed...
This is awful news for genuine claimants as DWP are often draconian in their treatment of the most vulnerable. Many people on these benifits are in a situation where they are terrified of their support being removed. One lady I know with a chronic illness was able on good days to take her dog to a local beach. Because she was able to do this occasionally and even had a pet at all caused her to lose her PIP. No mention was made in her correspondence of the many day's that she was house bound due to her condition, where others walked the dog on her behalf. What exactly is she supposed to do in life, sit in her home alone and never go out?? This is while the government shell out BILLIONS in lost loans and tax relief to thier cronies. The government want the poor to work until they drop, and if you can't work just drop. I have lost a friend due to being sanctioned not once but twice, despite them both having severe mental health issues. The system doesn't care, and actively targets those who cannot defend themselves while letting the rich and influential off with blatant immorality. Present occupants of Downing St. are prime examples of this hypocrisy.
Exactly and when they get held to account for it it will conveniently get swept under carpet no one gets sued or sent to prison if neccessary one rule for sheeple another for them Nowt new
dwp has a rep for deliberately lying (as happened to me) to not pay out so why give them even more power. Also why pick on the poor when tax dodging company's cost the taxpayers more in lost revenue than the dwp ??
Same... as a disabled person (genuine), it's a system that tortures us, quite literally, mentally and physically. Now we also have to worry about untrained, overworked staff making legal decisions they aren't qualified for, on top of the medical decisions they aren't qualified for. Great. I am so excited for that. (heavy sarcasm). :(
This won't end well, because the DWP absolutely hammer those who most need the help, whilst being totally ineffective in preventing industrial levels of Benefit abuse in almost all other areas. There is indeed a dual problem, and that's to better help those who need it (do not laugh, it could be you one day), and to also handle the fraud aspect. But, the latter won't be best served by handing the incompetent DWP such excessive powers. That's a very bad move. Leave criminal investigations to the Police, with DWP staff tagging along when needed. The fraud aspect is already addressed by existing Laws and powers, they just need to be used by the work shy police who seem to waste everyone's time chasing politically correct trivia.
exactly, when you all reddy have greedy companies doing benefits assessments whose incentive are to find people fit for work even tho they actually need the help. not to mension how many assessors lie about people in the reports because by finding people fit for work, they are payed even more money. benefits assessments shouldn’t be done by 3rd party companies who don’t know what they are doing half the time, benefits assessments should be done by doctors. all tho, most doctors today don’t even know what they are doing and are away with the faries.
Capita is a nightmare to deal with, Complete monsters with an agenda. You got Autism you got no chance. I even heard them tell a guy with cancer and not long to live he can't have no help, even told a guy with one leg he is not disabled.
They are the criminals for how they ignore claimants with valid medical proof of why they can't work. Also they go by false allegations no matter if there is evidence to prove otherwise.
I used to represent disabled people when they had to go to the DWP building. The assessors were heartless and humiliating. They always asked and pried into “if ever, how, why… tried to commit suicide?” and didn’t give a toss if they upset anyone. Then to rub salt in the wounds, they would measure their calf muscles as some sort of passive-aggressive “we think you’re a liar” stance! After that, it was ALWAYS some berk in a different part of the country who would phonecthe disabled person and tell them they had ZERO points and I had to fight life or death to get them back! Evil scumbags!! All of this despite patients having decades of medical evidence of permanent and degenerative conditions including muscular-skeletal, nervous system, organ failure problems.
Yes, seen it all for myself in similar experience. I have full respect for you in helping these genuine individuals as very often the claimant is unable to proceed on their own (which is all part of the game) and will just give up at that point. Add to that the reduction of advocacy services like CARF, etc which hinders things further for those who really need thie support. Imho, the "system" is designed this way for a reason, the less claimants they have in receipt of benefit, the more capital resource they keep bubbling in the big cauldron for the "other avenues"...!
I had to battle to get PIP for a genuine person. The assessments are done by unqualified 'medical professionals' from a private company. (Non union 'nurses') Despite mountains of evidence, the first 'professional' came up with no points. Having dissected her 'report' I found decisions were made on fake assumptions, wrong conclusions, actual lies about what happened at the assessment and condescending remarks about my clients appearance which would be illegal in any other environment and the 'professional' clearly didn't understand the various types of MRI scans. Needless to say after some persistence and exposing incompetence my client was awarded the higher amount. Would have got nothing without my doggedly persistent and pedantic examination of DWP responses.
they tried to tell me I was autistic to my face! it's not just disabled, they treat every unemployed person like absolute crap, similar to prison, they are trained to do this but deny it.
They will hound the lowest fruit . However the chancellor has lost £4.8 billion he says with school boy mistakes but will not be held accountable . Chancellor and his wife’s are worth combined £7.50 million . Also lost another £9 billion pounds for sub standard PPI . The cabinet abused the VIP lane by handing PPI contracts out to each other worth hundreds of millions of pounds . Billing tax payer for useless sub standard product .
Rishi Sunak's wife is a billionaire who only started paying UK tax on her income when her non dom status was shown to be bogus. So you under-estimated their wealth by a factor of 200 at least.
If it wasn't the DWP I'd be more enthusiastic. These guys have been found committing fraud themselves and denying benefits to people who later died because of it. They are either corrupt or negligent. (Actually I'm not sure if they were found to be fraudulent but they've been in serious trouble multiple times)
@@truthmerchant1 yeah they denied my pip, and without getting into it, I was an absolute mess at the time. So much of a mess I didn't have the strength to appeal.
yep Atos and the others they got to do the assessments were supposed to be non bias but we all know that their assessors get bonuses for each person they get of benefits and are only allowed to pass a certain number a day (I actually have known 2 accessors that told me this. One was a nasty woman who thought people should not get disability for fibromyalgia but that people should get high rate disability for alcoholism because she is an alcoholic and drug addict herself, the other was a very nice doctor who was deciding whether or not to take the job because he did not like the fact that they were pushed to decline peoples claims unfairly).
The Tories and the dwp were done for discrimination against disabled in 2012 which the government ignored and Theresa Coffey put through a paper to attack them again without any mps passing it so its not legal
@@srjwari What about mental health then? And Have you been to some parts of the UK, the less well of areas, In Northampton for example (I will use to due to a friend's experience there) the frauds get everything and if you are disabled and ask for help you get no help at all to even find work.
@@srjwari Your lucky then, You actually got NHS help, Most of us don't even get that. NHS don't want to help anyone. You assume I don't look for work, I do quite a lot. But guess what where I live No one wants to hire the disabled. They look at us like weirdos. They take one look at me and my interview was doomed as soon as I enter the building. For years I have searched for even a simple job. Guess what we are not all as lucky as you to get therapy, NHS help, Family who can aid us or employers who are understanding. Sorry to tell you this but most people don't get a happy ending and the help they need. Your a rarity. Truth is in the UK most disabled people are locked out of help, live in poverty and are depressed.
It’s not always as simple as it seems. Firstly, DWP itself makes terrible mistakes and their claim procedures, especially for Personal Independence Payment and Employment and Support Allowance - both of which supporting already more vulnerable claimants. Assessments are often delayed by a year and potential to abuse administrative mistakes by DWP or minor mistakes made by the Claimants are rife. Then it’s the problem of circumstances falling on their facts. At what stage would two people not living together but being in a romantic or non-romantic relationship based around a child be considered to be committing fraud? This often came down to be decided by the court and the potential consequences were severe, adding to the definite tension that being investigated and most benefits stopped would cause. The system is tailored to control people, keep the poor dependent on the state and destroy families. Then, when it suited the elite, they could start further culling by going on about supporting work, rather than not working. By that time, all property prices and rent removed the hope of anyone on basic wages ever owning their own home. Universal Credit is just a precursor for the Social Credit System. It is about digital slavery, so get used to the idea of it coming to your bank account and capacity to buy, sell, travel and not be gathered in camps.
Given how heavy handed and unaccommodating HMRC staff are (in general), this doesn't seem like a good plan to me. BTW, what happened to reclaiming all the overpaid / fraudulently claimed furlough payments. If we are going to have a level playing field, then the Tories (historically, Irish highwaymen) need to do something to get that money back as well.
@@Madhat964 Yes, actually As a political term, Tory was (is still in my book, being politically slightly left of center) an insult (derived from the middle Irish word tóraidhe, modern Irish tóraí, meaning "outlaw", "robber" (hence why highwaymen were Tories). This then comes from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit" since outlaws were "pursued men"). As I said....
@@anne-mariemarshall As someone who has never, in 36 years of eligibility, voted Conservative, I am often surprised that many who do are happy to call themselves Tories. I try to avoid it when trying to be neutral
And here we go with hidden disabilities like mine. I match the PIP criteria I can work for a day on something but then the employer won't like me taking four days to recover, bet the investigators won't stay around to find out that period of time. They will make it up ruin someone's life more than it is.
I have hidden disability rhumatoid arthritis and I am just like you do a day 4 or 5 day's to recover, I waited 2 years for a court date because of the pandemic only for the judge to see through the bullshit assessors report and reinstated my benefits at a higher rate because my points mounted up, plus I get fed up with people having a go in car parks because I have a blue badge because they think it's fake, my wife is Lithuanian I am English so I just gabble back really fast in Lithuanian with lots of arm movements. they just walk off saying foreigners get all the benefits and there is nothing wrong with them they are committing fraud I realise now that these people are actually pip assessors..
@@andydawson2101 I was told when having the assessment to use walking aid walk very slowly have a rest as they assess you from when they collect you, never have an easy day everyday is a bad one and main one is not if you have limbs missing or any thing else it is pain 24/7 interferes with moods sleep effort etc the lot. I am all that any way but so easy to just say yeah I manage cos I have had to...
@@laceandwhisky They also watch you outside the building. I've know a woman who was denied because she could get herself onto a wheelchair. Despite not having legs and needing to arrive by taxi. Another I know of was denied because he could hold an electric razor with one hand, despite the rest of his body being paralyzed.
@@laceandwhisky I can go one better - I had a HOME assessment visit and scored nothing on 'planning and making a journey' - possibly because I led them from my front door to my armchair without getting lost, but we'll never know the logic for that one! Thankfully they made so many errors, lies and contraditions within the report we tied them up in knots and I got it sorted out - tool a long time though.
The powers as defined in your video are too broad, especially those regarding access to bank accounts. It's premise seems to be that everyone who claims a benefit is a fraudster so we can snoop on their bank accounts and bank accounts of anyone connected to them regardless of the DWP having any reasonable suspicion of fraud actually occurring. The second question would be what checks and balances will be put in place to ensure that DWP, Staff and the Government itself don't abuse these powers?
@Game Tester That's right...Abusing powers as usual It's the thin end of the wedge I'm afraid Leading to full control over Everyone's bank Accounts and money...The New World order
Pretty sure they have a contractor lined up for "data processing" that happens to have a CEO who is a major Tory donator... Also the lack of real evidence will have them paying out on more bad investigations. This will save £2 billion by costing at least £20 billion.
Looking forward to your video about improvements to tackle tax avoidance and the various areas around that. Compared to that benefit fraud is probably a drop in the ocean.
@@OM617a even if you get benefits no matter which one you still have to pay council tax! You only get a reduction same with rent hence why many people on welfare are in debt. Not just from scrupulous loan shark's because no savings and if you did money stopped but also with rent and council tax.
Starbucks 1000 stores in UK, Sales £387M tax paid only £4m in 2019, in reality they should pay min of £77M tax,they only paid £4M, that is only Starbuck they avoid paying tax £74M
This is terrifying. I am very familiar with the DWP and there are a number I would not want to have this power. They are target hitters, meaning if someone like Ian Duncan Smith said sanction 10%, they will no matter what the circumstances. This power is going to be abused and causes serious concerns to a level of privacy an individual has with government agencies. And whilst every penny helps, I will put money on that Parliament wastes considerably more then the DWP budget.
Yes, they SAY they want benefits to go to the people who need it most but then reduce the summer half-term holiday 'free school meal' voucher by two days because the Thursday and Friday of that week are now 'public holidays' for the Queen's Jubilee. So what should have been a £20 shopping voucher for the 5-day half-term holiday has now been reduced to just £12 because the Queen stayed on the throne for a long time. They don't give a crap about 'the people that need benefits the most', they care about saving money... probably for their next party.
@@rocha2333 Spoken by someone that knows and understands everybody's personal circumstances. Also, I might add, somebody that's busy replying to 12 month old comments at 10am in the morning. To coin your own phrase, 'Get back to work' 😂🤣😂
@@Galerak1 I don’t care. This country is full of lazy people on benefits when they don’t need them. I live surrounded by them. They should go back to work and stop living on tax payers money.
There's a lot of us sick & disabled, perfectly genuine & honest who've been so badly hammered by the cruel DWP & contractors over the years(& exhonerated every time after a gruelling process that kills, drives many to not claim what they're perfectly entitled to, or makes our conditions much worse) that while theoretically we should have nothing to worry about, we'll all be holding our breath waiting to see IF the DWP is capable of competence, care & due process any where near the level the police should. The DWP don't seem capable of letting facts get in the way of persecuting the people they should be helping.
@@ellemorgan1331 My deepest sympathies Elle. I've been through 4 or 5 & only recently has the penny appeared to drop. "Do no harm" means nothing it seems. I thought comments like mine would be occasional, but rather shocked the harm & damaged done by cruel "medicals" has been so widespread.
You mean set up as part of a quota system. "Ah, Smithers, I've been reviewing you case work, you don't seem to be catching as many fraudulent cases as the rest of you team, this must change, or no bonus for you." Yes Mr. Bloominheck, I understand, I'll start fitting them up now. That's the spirit Smithers, go forth, crack heads, and put the fear of God into the skiving work shy mongrals.
Daniel, who is going to be monitoring the DWP, will there be an appeals or readdress system for wrongful deaths or decisions? We have already seen and heard of terrible injustice decisions that has brought about deaths within 6 weeks of wrongful decisions. I honestly think there will be horrendous deaths as a consequence of this change in law.
This is ridiculous. Their staff are already power hungry enough. I had an assessment with someone who wasn't medically trained at all. Was told basically because I turned up to the meeting could walk 50 yards raise my hands above my head, and so on that I wasn't entitled to what ever benifit it was think it was esa. Then told to clame universal credit. Did that. Received it for nearly two years. To be told they had made a mistake. Meaning I had to pay back £7000 odd. Even though it was their mistake. I'm not physically disabled and never even suggested I was. I'm on the autistic spectrum which not knowing about until I was in my 40s has created some other mental health problems. Having never been in debt in my life before. Tried to get support from the dwp. I now have £7000 worth of debt. They don't need any more powers! Someone should be policing them. What they are doing is criminal.
Hay Keith well done for saying how it is for vulnerable people out there, all respected to You good man! They have no idea how bad this is going for many many vulnerable people it's targeted abuse, giving the DWP powers like this is awful, many of them are bullies with issues to control and lack empty. This decision needs to be challenged. Next it will be supermarket security I'm ADHD never been a thief have no criminal record and I'm followed round regularly this happens so ok but at 1 supermarket I'm targeted by the same guy and women in the town awful ! Stay Strong :)
@@dahnparker8014 cheers Dahn, it's funny I can really relate to your experience when shopping. A security guard in a supermarket told the manager I was suspicious and was possible trying to steel items. Turns out the manager had been a close friend . We had know each other from nursery age. We had a laugh about it at the time, but it can easily turn out very different depending on the people involved. I've been told I could possibly be adhd as well . Had a screening appointment . Now waiting for a diagnosis appointment. Only two years to wait. Its unbelievable how much these things can impact your life . If you don't mind me asking... how do you deal with the adhd? Medication? Does it help at all? Don't worry if you don't want to answer.
Keith if you have not done this yet you need to get help from a benefit advisory Association. It could be from your local council or even the CAB as the DWP have done you over. If you can get help one of the things they should do is log an an appeal with the independence benefit tribunal with this done you can tell the DWP to reinstate your benefits as you're going through a tribunal what to appeal your case. I would point out that you could win as I had to do this twice when they took my ESA away and said I was fit for work. Good luck with your case.
@@philabrahams383 thanks for the advise. At the time citizens advice helped out . They said that they had exausted all avenues and because it's in there policy that even if they are at fault it's the claimant who is liable. I hadn't had the diagnosis of aspergers at the time of the esa evaluation, so not sure how that would hold up. I rather not have to deal with them again.
@@keithgrainger8797 Hi yes it's understandable that staff in shops can become suspicious because of constant memory glitches (I call them) going back and forth even with a list being dyslexic too retaining information is hilarious really being constantly distracted retracing yr steps to remind yr self of what you ment to pick up to see something els to pick that up then realise you've not got what you intended then you leave and realise what you went in to get in the first place you've not got again ! The more important it is to do the less chance-weeks months years can go by caught up in loops of none achievement with out a sense of humour life would simply be horrific and of cause good people you meet in life like whom posted you a message of where to go for support (of cause I can't remember his name or the agency's his mentioned because I want to which reminds me to take a screen shot of his message to you so I have some chance of recalling/finding the image when I need it lmfao ! ) yes it's nuts ! Having autism will probably help your organisational skill set :) I've worked with complex needs for just over 20 years (I'm a cleaner now) took me a few years to convince my m8s I was working in schools as support, they told me to F off and that they wouldn't let me back in any school lol so working closely with professionals like psychologist teachers etc they would say I'm ADHD indeed new main stream teacher coming in to complex needs a couple of school heads I really got on with would say watch Dahn in a staff meeting or training to grasp Neuro diversity behaviour. Any ho sorry I'm going on I'm too awaiting assessment/diagnosis 3 years from the date of the letter :/ ! I smoke quite heavenly to curb my hyperactivity and help regulated myself :) why I haven't done this year's ago is a glitch! luckily met dude who has a ADHD diagnosis similar age (owns/runs a cafe) got chatting (I call regularly walking dog) said he smoked years was able to stop because of the medication, so professional I no this from working with younger folk too ! If I had a brain that dam well worked like it should the penny would of dropped once and well better late than never :) "you don't half make life hard for ya self" angers me to the hilt ! People don't understand it's a governance! Executive dysfunction is the term used (took me over 18months to remember the term and I've now had to ask my partner again ! ) So fella I hope my ramble makes sense it's took me an hr half to write, in my experience not personal yet the meds work go for it :) I hope I've made you laugh all the best !
@@pamelahall9459 They are a dept of government not a private company, however there are private companies attached to the DWP whose main job is assessing those who claim benefits for disability. Maybe it’s the latter you are referring to.
Perhaps they could start by giving a damn. Last time i had to sign on i actually asked the guy about what they did about folk that were clearly committing fraud. "Oh, i report them to Woking, but they never do anything". And going back further - As a kid i used to work in a shop next to the job centre, and every day there was a steady stream of nice cars that would park up on the double yellow lines, set the hazard lights flashing, a guy wearing a small fortune in gold would get out and go in to claim his benefits. They could have written "Fraudulent claimant" across their foreheads and no-one would have cared. But dare to be sick, and claim benefits for that, well then you're f**ked.
Would we see another Post Office type situation happening the future? I can't trust any government department to get it right, irrespective of the party in power.
This will not end well, the DWP staff should never be involved in arrests and prosecution. I suspect any new powers will be abused. Particularly as the DWP cannot stop anything at present.
My Nephew's x wife was in the DWP and was quite high up in the ' anti fraud dept' (sic). She told me that most of the fraud, perhaps by value, was comitted by DWP staff!
The amount of money spent on tackling benefit fraud compared to large scale tax fraud, which costs the country much, much more, tells you everything you need to know.
My concerns are that the DWP can look into anyone's bank account based on suspicion only....just to see IF they have more money than declared. What control will there be??
To be honest DWP can already make a request to banks for a persons account details where they suspect fraud. The question would be whether the banks require proof of fraud from DWP or just release the information regardless. From my experience DWP don't always work lawfully or ethically.
@@kt5661 They never have, only for the PTB's further power grab into folks life's. They want a digital money system not hard money so the drive pushes on to try to fold in the backbone of the world a hard cash environment. It use to be if you had more than £10.000 in cash to buy something it had to be through a bank that has come down to £1.000 anything over the HMRC + police want you ask your questions.....for what? It's your money not theirs but they take it off you & you have prove it's yours to get it back..... criminals the lot of them !
DWP can already trace all your bank accounts with out you knowing . They tend to invite people in for interviews under caution who they suspect of committing benefit fraud , this is not done willy nilly , but a targeted approach and by the time you get the invite they know a lot about you . Arrest and search are currently done by the police with DWP in attendance who will carry out the interview under caution at a police station so for most people this change will make no difference .
@trent > all those extra check will be gone & they (dwp/HMRC) will be power on-till themselves ! The plan all along...... Big brother come in for another round of money grabbing from the public again !
This is going to be a disaster. I've had trouble in the past with the DWPs utter incompetence. Unfortunately the old mantra "If you are honest you have nothing to worry about" does not apply to the DWP. The DWP have a policy of pursuing soft, easy targets.
And how much will it cost the taxpayer to enforce this new legislation? The HMRC investigators have to be paid, as do the bailiffs and police sent in to arrest the alleged 'offenders' and the court staff to bring them to trial. It will cost the economy very much more than £2 billion, especially if the HMRC get it wrong and persecute, sorry, prosecute someone who is perfectly entitled to their benefits!
corporation tax in the UK is only paid on profits, Starbucks ensured it made no profits by making large royalty and other payments to offshore companies, including charging itself for using the Starbucks name, they stole over £75m per year from tax and Gov did fk all, only starbucks how many corporations in UK did the same
My concern is similar as to when they gave Social Services great powers. Look at the amount of times innocent people suffered then as Social Workers got it wrong or some vindictive person called Social Services and used that Agency as a Weapon. Social Worker were being investigated by the E.U. for unlawful behaviour before Brexit and were due to be in a lot of trouble. But they just got away with it. The last time the DWP were allowing anonymous information to be reported ( a Little over 10 Year Ago ) there were Pranks Calls, and Vindictive use of the Benefits Agency causing more suffering. With the "Cost of Living" skyrocketing; what if the DWP get it wrong now and stop a persons Benefits....???
My crazy ex-neighbour reported me anonymously to HMRC because I complained about a party that went on for three days (we live in flats and we live directly above them), took me 6 months to clear my name and that was just a simple investigation, lord only knows what would happen if HMRC had powers of arrest at the time. The irony of it all was she got caught subletting her flat to her sister, was convinced it was me who reported her but her sister was lovely, nothing like her junkie alcoholic private school teacher older sister. She dropped herself in it by applying for a mortgage to buy a house down the road and when the council did a credit check, like they do every few months, it showed up, she was told return the keys or be prosecuted, her sister move out overnight, shame she was quiet nice.
Would be interesting to know what u actually think of this move BBB, seen as u know how complicated law is and unless trained, most people don't understand legal terms. Given how incompetent the DWP are, and how many years it takes to study law...do u, as a barrister, think its a good move?
It's not the laws that are my issue It's those that exceed those laws. There is never sufficient overview, watching for those that abuse their positions. Who's going to train these people too? or is it going to be "Have ar it, folks... catch us some bad guyss and justify our existance"
Surely it makes more sense to better fund the police, so that they have more time to investigate? Training another group to do the same job will definitely be more expensive. Also I mean will this bring the dwp under the home office? As police are? If not, does it lead to parallel sets of rules? Can I be investigated by the police at the same time? This just seems like a complicated way to run this system when we already have an answer, empower the police to do it.
How long before the desperate turn to crime to benefit from the provisions required under incarceration? Back to the days of petty crime in exchange for a warm bed for the winter... easier than coercing dwp "agents" to diligently complete their work 🤬
I have been almost there on a number of occasions. I don't know how serious I was really, but the notion of trying to get incarcerated genuinely crossed my mind a few times.
It's a sad indictment of a Tory run country, but poor people actually have more rights, protection and a safer environment by being in prison than struggling, often alone, in a mouldy bedsit, cold windows and not enough money to heat and eat. In prison the cells have to be heated, three meals a day, access to a doctor, dentist and prescriptions. Safeguarded. Protected. Access to courses, literature and TV. On the outside many millions of law abiding citizens have none of these things. Certainly no guarantee of affording heating or food. Certainly no access to a dentist at all and very little input from a doctor. Cells wouldn't be allowed to get mouldy in prison, either.
giving power to the wrong ppl is stupidity, I certainly wouldn't give my details to ANY corporation who are not police, and then ONLY if I have committed a crime. The DWP deserve all the abuse from the public if they try overstep their boundaries. You are there to do benefits nothing more
Where were the MP`s of all parties to scrutinise these new powers ,some of which are very,very intrusive ? I believe not one MP of either Conservative or Labour asked for a vote for division as is normal with this type of bill . That alone is setting a dangerous hype for all of us in the future of democracy . No one likes anyone scamming the system but how far does any future government go to intrude on innocent people ?
@@vincesmith7308 Yr a dying breed fella thank You ! It's the same in social services few and far between. Coming out of refugees commitments to them, that the US and UK have sacked off which were made after WW2 has lowered the bar for care/life generally and people don't realise that it has a direct effect on care in the community is very worrying ! Germany published a couple of years ago now, that over 3000 under 16s where missing unaccounted for not traceable thousands across EU I believe. I have worked with children from war zones with PTSD. One lad had been lost in conflict (about 6) separated from his family/adults for possible months definitely weeks. While working with him (intensive interaction) I over roll played my reaction to finding him dead. He desperately asked me to pull on his arms skin hair and smell him all the while he was shouting he was alive and ok all documented recorded. luckily has just left collage the boy done so good :) but he didn't meet criteria for extra home support when a teenager struggling shocking! Love and Peace to all
@@dahnparker8014 You to mate. People do not realise how bad it is. You try to fight for the right thing to help people which was, when I started, thought that was what it is about. Unfortunately no. It is about the egos in higher levels who do not know how to do the job pushing and constant pressure. The Civil Service is a breedin ground for people unfortunately are like our government. Who do not care, wil do anything to drive their agendas for power and greed. Hope this does not go through? I see on a day to day basis how they treat staff and customers. Not good.
@@vincesmith7308 I hear You man :) time served tho ! When the time comes, get out and look after You. I hope there is something more fortuitous coming to You so can then tackle and help from a different angle :) I am not religious person tho send you blessing to You and Yours Peace :)
This is Wrong! Very Wrong ! Many vulnerable people will be in desperate fear of this decision. The DWP is a bad egg already someone has to look after genuine claimants blessing to all those in this Mill
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
The REALLY scary thing is not knowing wether or not we'll all be told if/ when these changes come into play. I mean they haven't been awfully forthcoming so far, have they?
when the DWP makes sure the interview room is 51 meters from reception and the claimant is asked to walk it, the interviewer knows the criteria is 50 meters meaning everyone effectively fails on that alone no matter how they struggle or what their medical condition ... was it 270 Billion they threw at covid!!
Are you actually serious? Nothing to worry about if you’re innocent, tell that to the Post Office employees that lost everything, in some case their lives. Giving the DWP this kind of power is beyond the pale. It is those who have the least who will be targeted, people on legitimate benefits such as disability, child tax credits, and let’s not forget state pensioners. However, the state pension is not a benefit, people have paid into the system all of their working lives and it is universal. Just imagine someone’s granny who keeps a bit of cash under the mattress that she’s saved for her grandchildren’s birthdays; she gets a knock on the door and without a warrant the DSS/DWP turn her house over looking for her pittance. Does that sound like justice to you? We need to fight this with every fibre of our bodies please don’t let the establishment gaslight us about this issue. It is estimated that 60% of so called fraud is actually errors made by the DWP and about £16m is unclaimed by people who should be in receipt of payments. As for the fraudsters they know how to game the system and are not stupid enough to put extra cash into a bank account in the first place.
Something else to increase anxiety. So now they can not only stop benefits without warning, as they did my income support (disabled), they can also arrest us? No doubt it'll be on us to prove innocence, rather than them to prove guilt.
will these new laws include non disclosing double jobbing MP's , MP,s claiming expenses they are not entitled to. No wait, they aint breaking the law, just the rules. The law only applies to the disadvantaged, the poor.
I've tried to claim PIP, I have stage 4 cancer that is not survivable and have been told that I cant have it because I can walk into my hospital appointments from my car and can cook a basic meal so lets flesh this out a bit , I can walk 50m and cook beans on toast sorry Sir you cant get anything even thought your dying .
I find it disturbing that someone presenting a social media channel can say "you have nothing to worry about" in relation to corrupt incompetent public sector agencies being given draconian powers over anything at all, regardless of context
You are wrong, anyone who is disabled knows full well that they do need to be worried about this sort of thing because, even though they are claiming benefits because they can’t work, DWP already constantly require them to go through unnecessary interviews to see if their missing leg has magically grown back. Giving them the power of arrest and the ability to make warrants is frightening even for those of us who aren’t committing fraud. The majority of benefits goes to people who are working for employers who don’t pay enough for people to live so they need a top up from the government, I bet they would save way more than 2bn if they were to address that issue instead.
Meanwhile Rishi Sunak's wife has been getting away with not paying millions in tax because she lied about being a permanent resident of the UK after living here for eight years. That's right chase the little people
Back dated payments aren't supposed to be counted as savings according to DWPs own website details yet they see these as savings, conveniently forget they had paid a backdate and thereby stop future payments. This whole system stinks. It will get worse with the Tory government giving themselves powers to override the court system that holds them to account and the ongoing social targeting of those on socual welfare/security. Can't wait to hear the uproar when AI takes over evermore jobs leaving even more people in need of social security payments. Time to bring in Universal Basic Income. Given that government create money, dont need to borrow it and the economy is failing because there isnt enough money in circulation (rich folk with money static in bank accounts, offshore trusts and investments doesnt count as circulation) welfare payments that allow people to live rather than survive (just!) would benefit the whole of society. Oh and by the way everyone pays tax (see VAT, fuel taxes) which takes excess money out of circulation.
The dwp have just demanded that I send them four months worth of statements or they'll stop my disability benefits. How is this legal when the police have to get a court order to take such action?
Having seen the vast incompetence of government bodies over the years , as a pensioner I worry. No law ever created has failed to be misused or abused by authorities. All appeals processes are expensive, time consuming and work against the victims with the full power and finances of governments and usually run by private companies.
The government, aka the Tory circus, should direct its attention to the billions lost to PPE contracts and those complicit - aka, Tory circus associates.
With the state pension being miscategorised as a benefit these days, having government agencies snoop on bank accounts is the thin end of the wedge. Means testing state pension doesn't seem as unlikely once this data grab in the government's arsenal.
The amount of people who work at the DWP who end up robbing the place and nothing is ever known is massive. They keep all prosecutions private and out of the public eye.
This won't go well! I had a fight with DWP for over two years over money I was overpaid and paid back over a decade befor. Their record keeping is as attrociuse as their interpersonal skills.
Sounds good idea as I need PIP don't get it and I know people who get PIP and not need it and we see many in the papers but this will be abused by those at the DWP as well they not qualified doctors at end of day
For five years I have paid almost £6,000 in deductions via UC . my housing association has been billing me for someone else who has the same name as me in the next town . I have been legally mistaken for 33 years ! What can I do about this please ?
Far to much power for bureaucrats when fraud at the highest level gets a free pass, the law is already adequate in tackling fraud and all this does is outsource the law to civil servants. Very ominous and dangerous move.
As they regard the State Pension as a benefit, are they hoping to have free access to every pensioners bank accounts ? Who is going to police this. What infuriates me is DWP employees derive all their income from the Taxpayer, so are 100% hypocrites.
Having had my disabled son refused PIP initially and then fully reinstated instantly on appeal, I don't have much sympathy with the DWP. When I was unemployed I got nothing from them, it forces people to work the system. If the DWP play fair, then most people would play fair too. But when you are constantly denied what you know you should be entitled to (and if you'd get if you had some form of advocate), unfortunately the DWP don't have my sympathy. It's about time the DWP started helping people claim the correct benefits, not always denying them. Because then it becomes an adversarial system instead of the welfare system it should be.
Having been made redundant from my job, having no savings, being diagnosed with my third cancer and diagnosed with depression I feel safe saying that I am in need but what do I get from a system I have paid into all my working life - the bare, basic allowance from UC, not even the health element. I cannot cover my main bills let alone buy food. To say they want to give the money to those most in need is a HUGE joke, they have no intention of giving it to people in need. To them we are all scroungers regardless. 😡
I'm pretty certain that the DWP wastes more than £2bn over a few years in having to pay for failed appeals and tribunals, and subsequent back payments to all the people they wrongly deny benefits. They also 'save' a fortune through not having to pay benefits to all the people who just don't have the fight in them to continue to insist upon their entitlement. As part of the disabled community and as someone who keeps up with disability rights progress, I can attest to so many cases of this, it's heartbreaking. I've also endured multiple long battles myself, and won every time because they lie, obfuscate and evade. It's frankly terrifying that the DWP will get more powers - they are unable to effectively wield the powers they DO have, to the detriment of all concerned.
Excellent comment! I can testify to all you have said. The DWP are just about unaccountable and are intrinsic in the eventual deaths of some innocent claimants. As you said some coroner's inquests have reported the same but the eventual enquiry on this was brushed off and buried amongst all the other evils we are enduring these last few years. DWP claim fraud is actually peanuts compared to big business and other tax "dodges"
Anecdotally I can agree. I got denied PIP with 0s across the board and a report filled with outright lies. Didn’t have it in me to keep fighting and stopped. It’s horribly demoralising and I can’t see these additional powers as being used for anything good.
I couldn't agree more. Terrifying.
@@GoneFishin247 they under paid me for 3 years when i asked for it back they said because it was over 3 years i wasnt entitled to it! But then they contacted me saying they had over paid me 6 years before that and i had to pay it back! I lost £600 i was owed and they claimed back about £200 which was later found to be money i was indeed entitled to have so they refused to pay it back after collectiong it from my benefit, I appealed but lost the appeal on the grounds it was over the 3 year limit from the initial time they said i was over paid! Even though it was money they knew i was entitled to! Ps in case anyone is wondering g why I claimed so long, I've worked all my life since I was 15 then had an accident and I'm semi disabled so long term.sick
I have worked and paid my taxes for 35 years and 6 years ago I was diagnosed with a very aggressive form of rhumourtoid arthritis which ended my 35 year job as a car mechanic so ended up on ESA and pip which they gave me for 2 years there is no cure for what I have. When my renewal came up there was no change in my condition sent the pip2 forms back along with all my recent medical reports and letter from my rhumortologist etc. They sent an assessor round and what a fu###n horrible woman they took away all my benefits because of the crock of lies on her and the decision makers report the answers were completely different to what I said. Saying I no longer need medication ( I am on low dose chemotherapy drugs to lower my immune system which makes my life a bit more bearable). This is for life or until they no longer work for me. Said at best I am only taking aspirin for pain. Kept refering to my condition as mild rhumatism nothing more and I am exaggerating my condition for attention this was all in the decision makers report I do cycle and have to do some gym work 2 or 3 times a week just for pain management and to keep me mobile. Said I use my bicycle to visit my brother 3to4 times a week,and calculated some fictitious milage based on the conversations at assesment to make it look like it's over 50% of the time my brother lives in New South Wales Australia lol. This was November 2019 I had to wait 2years for an appeal date because of the pandemic and I almost lost my home but I won my case last year but I still had to fight for my money because the judge made a mistake on the dates to where it needs to be back dated to so pip held the money back until the judge rectified it but the judge was adamant that she had not made a mistake this went on for months and months I rang DWP begging to let me have some of my money only to be told no. In the end my case worker from welfare rights managed to sort it out I have finally received my backdated money and had all my benefits reinstated this year and I am not the only one who has been through this so God forbid if DWP get more powers when they abuse and lie the ones they have now..
The government ensuring that money is well spent, is the biggest joke of all.
The PPE fiasco comes to mind, billions wasted but since tory donors benefitted it didn't matter. The form of capitalism that is currently in use is just socialism for the rich, the benefit system has been transformed into a system where corporations and the rich get very generous allowances that vastly reduces any tax they have to pay. The tax consultancy firms that writes the tax laws then get employed to advise on how to benefit from the loopholes they left in the rules they wrote.
DWP staff need investigating. They are not there to assist people, but rather to sanction them unduly.
With the catalogue of errors the DWP is already involved in, do they really need to given such powers? This, in my opinion will not end well.
Anne Valentine Pryce it's a way of breaking the system more than they have already to bring in some dictatorish rules that affect the wrong ones.
I don't support benefit fraud, but this stinks of giving them permission to go on fishing expeditions, something the police can't do. There isn't the same desire to go after covid fraud.
I think you do support benefit fraud.
Nobody relying on the DWP would say that if you are legitimately claiming benefits you have nothing to worry about. I am on the autism spectrum and this won't change, but I have to prove to the DWP every few years that I haven't got better. I think anyone with a hidden disability would be very disturbed by this.
Me too! I am on the spectrum too & have already had my money halved unfairly.
Truth is DWP and their hired goons Capita are out to get the disabled, They would see us dead on the street.
My sister has Downs Syndrome. My father, now in his 80's, has been her sole carer since my mum died. He still gets letters periodically asking if her condition has changed...
@@kayew5492 ridiculous isn’t it, & so unfair.
dont expect a rich barrister to understand the problems of those of us who have to manage on £9k a year from the DWP
This is awful news for genuine claimants as DWP are often draconian in their treatment of the most vulnerable. Many people on these benifits are in a situation where they are terrified of their support being removed. One lady I know with a chronic illness was able on good days to take her dog to a local beach. Because she was able to do this occasionally and even had a pet at all caused her to lose her PIP. No mention was made in her correspondence of the many day's that she was house bound due to her condition, where others walked the dog on her behalf. What exactly is she supposed to do in life, sit in her home alone and never go out??
This is while the government shell out BILLIONS in lost loans and tax relief to thier cronies. The government want the poor to work until they drop, and if you can't work just drop. I have lost a friend due to being sanctioned not once but twice, despite them both having severe mental health issues. The system doesn't care, and actively targets those who cannot defend themselves while letting the rich and influential off with blatant immorality. Present occupants of Downing St. are prime examples of this hypocrisy.
Pity there is no body that hold the GOV in check as far as throwing out taxes away.
There is. It’s called an election
@@annoyingbstard9407 there is no election because there is no democracy.
Lazy people should go back to work! The country is packed with lazy people on benefits
Exactly also to ensure they thrown in prison too
Who will police the DWP when they use their new powers to bully and harrass legit claims?
Exactly and when they get held to account for it it will conveniently get swept under carpet no one gets sued or sent to prison if neccessary one rule for sheeple another for them
Nowt new
dwp has a rep for deliberately lying (as happened to me) to not pay out so why give them even more power. Also why pick on the poor when tax dodging company's cost the taxpayers more in lost revenue than the dwp ??
Who mentioned the poor?
Same... as a disabled person (genuine), it's a system that tortures us, quite literally, mentally and physically. Now we also have to worry about untrained, overworked staff making legal decisions they aren't qualified for, on top of the medical decisions they aren't qualified for. Great. I am so excited for that. (heavy sarcasm). :(
@@mikegrace i personally don't know anyone that has it easy (paying living costs) on benefit's and have never seen a rich benefit recipient.....
@@mikegrace This is ALL about the poor. The well-off are not the target here.
They have been caught out lying and being fraudulent so many times. Good luck
I hope they pursue tax evasion with the same vigor!
That will never happen. The avoiders and dodgers are Tory donors.
No, their mates.
This won't end well, because the DWP absolutely hammer those who most need the help, whilst being totally ineffective in preventing industrial levels of Benefit abuse in almost all other areas. There is indeed a dual problem, and that's to better help those who need it (do not laugh, it could be you one day), and to also handle the fraud aspect. But, the latter won't be best served by handing the incompetent DWP such excessive powers. That's a very bad move. Leave criminal investigations to the Police, with DWP staff tagging along when needed. The fraud aspect is already addressed by existing Laws and powers, they just need to be used by the work shy police who seem to waste everyone's time chasing politically correct trivia.
exactly, when you all reddy have greedy companies doing benefits assessments whose incentive are to find people fit for work even tho they actually need the help.
not to mension how many assessors lie about people in the reports because by finding people fit for work, they are payed even more money.
benefits assessments shouldn’t be done by 3rd party companies who don’t know what they are doing half the time, benefits assessments should be done by doctors. all tho, most doctors today don’t even know what they are doing and are away with the faries.
Capita is a nightmare to deal with, Complete monsters with an agenda. You got Autism you got no chance. I even heard them tell a guy with cancer and not long to live he can't have no help, even told a guy with one leg he is not disabled.
They are the criminals for how they ignore claimants with valid medical proof of why they can't work. Also they go by false allegations no matter if there is evidence to prove otherwise.
Leave criminal investigations to the police? 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂 The police are so inept they could not find a tart in a brothel! 🏴
Benefit fraud bad because that's normal people.
Covid fraud good because that's their friends, family and party donors.
I used to represent disabled people when they had to go to the DWP building. The assessors were heartless and humiliating. They always asked and pried into “if ever, how, why… tried to commit suicide?” and didn’t give a toss if they upset anyone. Then to rub salt in the wounds, they would measure their calf muscles as some sort of passive-aggressive “we think you’re a liar” stance! After that, it was ALWAYS some berk in a different part of the country who would phonecthe disabled person and tell them they had ZERO points and I had to fight life or death to get them back! Evil scumbags!!
All of this despite patients having decades of medical evidence of permanent and degenerative conditions including muscular-skeletal, nervous system, organ failure problems.
Yes, seen it all for myself in similar experience. I have full respect for you in helping these genuine individuals as very often the claimant is unable to proceed on their own (which is all part of the game) and will just give up at that point. Add to that the reduction of advocacy services like CARF, etc which hinders things further for those who really need thie support. Imho, the "system" is designed this way for a reason, the less claimants they have in receipt of benefit, the more capital resource they keep bubbling in the big cauldron for the "other avenues"...!
I had to battle to get PIP for a genuine person. The assessments are done by unqualified 'medical professionals' from a private company. (Non union 'nurses') Despite mountains of evidence, the first 'professional' came up with no points. Having dissected her 'report' I found decisions were made on fake assumptions, wrong conclusions, actual lies about what happened at the assessment and condescending remarks about my clients appearance which would be illegal in any other environment and the 'professional' clearly didn't understand the various types of MRI scans. Needless to say after some persistence and exposing incompetence my client was awarded the higher amount.
Would have got nothing without my doggedly persistent and pedantic examination of DWP responses.
they tried to tell me I was autistic to my face! it's not just disabled, they treat every unemployed person like absolute crap, similar to prison, they are trained to do this but deny it.
What's wrong with being told you're autistic? It's just a disability, not a character flaw.
They will hound the lowest fruit . However the chancellor has lost £4.8 billion he says with school boy mistakes but will not be held accountable . Chancellor and his wife’s are worth combined £7.50 million . Also lost another £9 billion pounds for sub standard PPI . The cabinet abused the VIP lane by handing PPI contracts out to each other worth hundreds of millions of pounds . Billing tax payer for useless sub standard product .
The chancellor's wife is thought to be worth about £400m.
Rishi Sunak's wife is a billionaire who only started paying UK tax on her income when her non dom status was shown to be bogus. So you under-estimated their wealth by a factor of 200 at least.
If it wasn't the DWP I'd be more enthusiastic. These guys have been found committing fraud themselves and denying benefits to people who later died because of it. They are either corrupt or negligent. (Actually I'm not sure if they were found to be fraudulent but they've been in serious trouble multiple times)
True !
They are definitely fraudulent. They lie on their assessment reports and then deny sick and disabled people their rightful benefits based on the lies.
@@truthmerchant1 yeah they denied my pip, and without getting into it, I was an absolute mess at the time. So much of a mess I didn't have the strength to appeal.
yep Atos and the others they got to do the assessments were supposed to be non bias but we all know that their assessors get bonuses for each person they get of benefits and are only allowed to pass a certain number a day (I actually have known 2 accessors that told me this. One was a nasty woman who thought people should not get disability for fibromyalgia but that people should get high rate disability for alcoholism because she is an alcoholic and drug addict herself, the other was a very nice doctor who was deciding whether or not to take the job because he did not like the fact that they were pushed to decline peoples claims unfairly).
The Tories and the dwp were done for discrimination against disabled in 2012 which the government ignored and Theresa Coffey put through a paper to attack them again without any mps passing it so its not legal
... Having suffered thru the Tory Austerity program whereas the disabled were targeted, this'll create more losses of life and mental health issues🤬
@@srjwari What about mental health then? And Have you been to some parts of the UK, the less well of areas, In Northampton for example (I will use to due to a friend's experience there) the frauds get everything and if you are disabled and ask for help you get no help at all to even find work.
@@srjwari Your lucky then, You actually got NHS help, Most of us don't even get that. NHS don't want to help anyone.
You assume I don't look for work, I do quite a lot. But guess what where I live No one wants to hire the disabled. They look at us like weirdos. They take one look at me and my interview was doomed as soon as I enter the building. For years I have searched for even a simple job.
Guess what we are not all as lucky as you to get therapy, NHS help, Family who can aid us or employers who are understanding. Sorry to tell you this but most people don't get a happy ending and the help they need.
Your a rarity. Truth is in the UK most disabled people are locked out of help, live in poverty and are depressed.
It’s not always as simple as it seems. Firstly, DWP itself makes terrible mistakes and their claim procedures, especially for Personal Independence Payment and Employment and Support Allowance - both of which supporting already more vulnerable claimants. Assessments are often delayed by a year and potential to abuse administrative mistakes by DWP or minor mistakes made by the Claimants are rife. Then it’s the problem of circumstances falling on their facts. At what stage would two people not living together but being in a romantic or non-romantic relationship based around a child be considered to be committing fraud? This often came down to be decided by the court and the potential consequences were severe, adding to the definite tension that being investigated and most benefits stopped would cause. The system is tailored to control people, keep the poor dependent on the state and destroy families. Then, when it suited the elite, they could start further culling by going on about supporting work, rather than not working. By that time, all property prices and rent removed the hope of anyone on basic wages ever owning their own home. Universal Credit is just a precursor for the Social Credit System. It is about digital slavery, so get used to the idea of it coming to your bank account and capacity to buy, sell, travel and not be gathered in camps.
You will own nothing and be happy
@@timprestwood9077 We’ll own nothing and they already started taking everything away. Then they expect us to be happy about it.
This is a subject which I am fortunate not to have considered much but I think there is a lot to what you are saying
Given how heavy handed and unaccommodating HMRC staff are (in general), this doesn't seem like a good plan to me. BTW, what happened to reclaiming all the overpaid / fraudulently claimed furlough payments. If we are going to have a level playing field, then the Tories (historically, Irish highwaymen) need to do something to get that money back as well.
Right on 👍👍
'Tory' derived from Middle Irish 'toraidh', meaning robber, brigand...
@@Madhat964 Yes, actually As a political term, Tory was (is still in my book, being politically slightly left of center) an insult (derived from the middle Irish word tóraidhe, modern Irish tóraí, meaning "outlaw", "robber" (hence why highwaymen were Tories). This then comes from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit" since outlaws were "pursued men"). As I said....
@@anne-mariemarshall As someone who has never, in 36 years of eligibility, voted Conservative, I am often surprised that many who do are happy to call themselves Tories. I try to avoid it when trying to be neutral
And here we go with hidden disabilities like mine. I match the PIP criteria I can work for a day on something but then the employer won't like me taking four days to recover, bet the investigators won't stay around to find out that period of time. They will make it up ruin someone's life more than it is.
it's disgusting how people are treated by them.
I have hidden disability rhumatoid arthritis and I am just like you do a day 4 or 5 day's to recover, I waited 2 years for a court date because of the pandemic only for the judge to see through the bullshit assessors report and reinstated my benefits at a higher rate because my points mounted up, plus I get fed up with people having a go in car parks because I have a blue badge because they think it's fake, my wife is Lithuanian I am English so I just gabble back really fast in Lithuanian with lots of arm movements. they just walk off saying foreigners get all the benefits and there is nothing wrong with them they are committing fraud I realise now that these people are actually pip assessors..
@@andydawson2101 I was told when having the assessment to use walking aid walk very slowly have a rest as they assess you from when they collect you, never have an easy day everyday is a bad one and main one is not if you have limbs missing or any thing else it is pain 24/7 interferes with moods sleep effort etc the lot. I am all that any way but so easy to just say yeah I manage cos I have had to...
@@laceandwhisky They also watch you outside the building. I've know a woman who was denied because she could get herself onto a wheelchair. Despite not having legs and needing to arrive by taxi. Another I know of was denied because he could hold an electric razor with one hand, despite the rest of his body being paralyzed.
@@laceandwhisky I can go one better - I had a HOME assessment visit and scored nothing on 'planning and making a journey' - possibly because I led them from my front door to my armchair without getting lost, but we'll never know the logic for that one! Thankfully they made so many errors, lies and contraditions within the report we tied them up in knots and I got it sorted out - tool a long time though.
The powers as defined in your video are too broad, especially those regarding access to bank accounts. It's premise seems to be that everyone who claims a benefit is a fraudster so we can snoop on their bank accounts and bank accounts of anyone connected to them regardless of the DWP having any reasonable suspicion of fraud actually occurring. The second question would be what checks and balances will be put in place to ensure that DWP, Staff and the Government itself don't abuse these powers?
We are in Pre-Crime now. Guilty before being proven innocent!
I Agree !
The general public need to be protected from the dwp
@Game Tester
That's right...Abusing powers as usual
It's the thin end of the wedge I'm afraid
Leading to full control over Everyone's bank Accounts and money...The New World order
Pretty sure they have a contractor lined up for "data processing" that happens to have a CEO who is a major Tory donator... Also the lack of real evidence will have them paying out on more bad investigations. This will save £2 billion by costing at least £20 billion.
Actually quite laughable, they save more money by underpaying or not giving claimants the benefits they are entitled than they are losing to fraud.
Looking forward to your video about improvements to tackle tax avoidance and the various areas around that. Compared to that benefit fraud is probably a drop in the ocean.
@@OM617a even if you get benefits no matter which one you still have to pay council tax! You only get a reduction same with rent hence why many people on welfare are in debt. Not just from scrupulous loan shark's because no savings and if you did money stopped but also with rent and council tax.
Starbucks 1000 stores in UK, Sales £387M tax paid only £4m in 2019, in reality they should pay min of £77M tax,they only paid £4M, that is only Starbuck they avoid paying tax £74M
This is terrifying. I am very familiar with the DWP and there are a number I would not want to have this power. They are target hitters, meaning if someone like Ian Duncan Smith said sanction 10%, they will no matter what the circumstances. This power is going to be abused and causes serious concerns to a level of privacy an individual has with government agencies.
And whilst every penny helps, I will put money on that Parliament wastes considerably more then the DWP budget.
Yes, they SAY they want benefits to go to the people who need it most but then reduce the summer half-term holiday 'free school meal' voucher by two days because the Thursday and Friday of that week are now 'public holidays' for the Queen's Jubilee.
So what should have been a £20 shopping voucher for the 5-day half-term holiday has now been reduced to just £12 because the Queen stayed on the throne for a long time.
They don't give a crap about 'the people that need benefits the most', they care about saving money... probably for their next party.
Lizzie and her ilk are the biggest benefit cheats in the UK.
Go back to work!
@@rocha2333 Spoken by someone that knows and understands everybody's personal circumstances.
Also, I might add, somebody that's busy replying to 12 month old comments at 10am in the morning.
To coin your own phrase, 'Get back to work'
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@@Galerak1 I don’t care. This country is full of lazy people on benefits when they don’t need them. I live surrounded by them. They should go back to work and stop living on tax payers money.
There's a lot of us sick & disabled, perfectly genuine & honest who've been so badly hammered by the cruel DWP & contractors over the years(& exhonerated every time after a gruelling process that kills, drives many to not claim what they're perfectly entitled to, or makes our conditions much worse) that while theoretically we should have nothing to worry about, we'll all be holding our breath waiting to see IF the DWP is capable of competence, care & due process any where near the level the police should. The DWP don't seem capable of letting facts get in the way of persecuting the people they should be helping.
@@ellemorgan1331 My deepest sympathies Elle. I've been through 4 or 5 & only recently has the penny appeared to drop. "Do no harm" means nothing it seems.
I thought comments like mine would be occasional, but rather shocked the harm & damaged done by cruel "medicals" has been so widespread.
"You've nothing to worry about" Apart from a botched investigation. I hope there's going to be an appeals procedure in place.
... a speedy and reliable appeals process not one test takes over two years while benefits are suspended
10/10 , its the legitimate claims that need to worry.
You mean set up as part of a quota system. "Ah, Smithers, I've been reviewing you case work, you don't seem to be catching as many fraudulent cases as the rest of you team, this must change, or no bonus for you." Yes Mr. Bloominheck, I understand, I'll start fitting them up now. That's the spirit Smithers, go forth, crack heads, and put the fear of God into the skiving work shy mongrals.
Daniel, who is going to be monitoring the DWP, will there be an appeals or readdress system for wrongful deaths or decisions? We have already seen and heard of terrible injustice decisions that has brought about deaths within 6 weeks of wrongful decisions. I honestly think there will be horrendous deaths as a consequence of this change in law.
I Agree !
There should without doubt be bodies to monitor the Villans at the dwp !
i agree , well said .
This is ridiculous. Their staff are already power hungry enough. I had an assessment with someone who wasn't medically trained at all. Was told basically because I turned up to the meeting could walk 50 yards raise my hands above my head, and so on that I wasn't entitled to what ever benifit it was think it was esa. Then told to clame universal credit. Did that. Received it for nearly two years. To be told they had made a mistake. Meaning I had to pay back £7000 odd. Even though it was their mistake. I'm not physically disabled and never even suggested I was. I'm on the autistic spectrum which not knowing about until I was in my 40s has created some other mental health problems. Having never been in debt in my life before. Tried to get support from the dwp. I now have £7000 worth of debt. They don't need any more powers! Someone should be policing them. What they are doing is criminal.
Hay Keith well done for saying how it is for vulnerable people out there, all respected to You good man! They have no idea how bad this is going for many many vulnerable people it's targeted abuse, giving the DWP powers like this is awful, many of them are bullies with issues to control and lack empty. This decision needs to be challenged. Next it will be supermarket security I'm ADHD never been a thief have no criminal record and I'm followed round regularly this happens so ok but at 1 supermarket I'm targeted by the same guy and women in the town awful ! Stay Strong :)
@@dahnparker8014 cheers Dahn, it's funny I can really relate to your experience when shopping. A security guard in a supermarket told the manager I was suspicious and was possible trying to steel items. Turns out the manager had been a close friend . We had know each other from nursery age. We had a laugh about it at the time, but it can easily turn out very different depending on the people involved. I've been told I could possibly be adhd as well . Had a screening appointment . Now waiting for a diagnosis appointment. Only two years to wait. Its unbelievable how much these things can impact your life . If you don't mind me asking... how do you deal with the adhd? Medication? Does it help at all? Don't worry if you don't want to answer.
Keith if you have not done this yet you need to get help from a benefit advisory Association. It could be from your local council or even the CAB as the DWP have done you over. If you can get help one of the things they should do is log an an appeal with the independence benefit tribunal with this done you can tell the DWP to reinstate your benefits as you're going through a tribunal what to appeal your case. I would point out that you could win as I had to do this twice when they took my ESA away and said I was fit for work. Good luck with your case.
@@philabrahams383 thanks for the advise. At the time citizens advice helped out . They said that they had exausted all avenues and because it's in there policy that even if they are at fault it's the claimant who is liable. I hadn't had the diagnosis of aspergers at the time of the esa evaluation, so not sure how that would hold up. I rather not have to deal with them again.
@@keithgrainger8797 Hi yes it's understandable that staff in shops can become suspicious because of constant memory glitches (I call them) going back and forth even with a list being dyslexic too retaining information is hilarious really being constantly distracted retracing yr steps to remind yr self of what you ment to pick up to see something els to pick that up then realise you've not got what you intended then you leave and realise what you went in to get in the first place you've not got again ! The more important it is to do the less chance-weeks months years can go by caught up in loops of none achievement with out a sense of humour life would simply be horrific and of cause good people you meet in life like whom posted you a message of where to go for support (of cause I can't remember his name or the agency's his mentioned because I want to which reminds me to take a screen shot of his message to you so I have some chance of recalling/finding the image when I need it lmfao ! ) yes it's nuts ! Having autism will probably help your organisational skill set :) I've worked with complex needs for just over 20 years (I'm a cleaner now) took me a few years to convince my m8s I was working in schools as support, they told me to F off and that they wouldn't let me back in any school lol so working closely with professionals like psychologist teachers etc they would say I'm ADHD indeed new main stream teacher coming in to complex needs a couple of school heads I really got on with would say watch Dahn in a staff meeting or training to grasp Neuro diversity behaviour. Any ho sorry I'm going on I'm too awaiting assessment/diagnosis 3 years from the date of the letter :/ ! I smoke quite heavenly to curb my hyperactivity and help regulated myself :) why I haven't done this year's ago is a glitch! luckily met dude who has a ADHD diagnosis similar age (owns/runs a cafe) got chatting (I call regularly walking dog) said he smoked years was able to stop because of the medication, so professional I no this from working with younger folk too ! If I had a brain that dam well worked like it should the penny would of dropped once and well better late than never :) "you don't half make life hard for ya self" angers me to the hilt ! People don't understand it's a governance! Executive dysfunction is the term used (took me over 18months to remember the term and I've now had to ask my partner again ! ) So fella I hope my ramble makes sense it's took me an hr half to write, in my experience not personal yet the meds work go for it :) I hope I've made you laugh all the best !
This ain’t gonna end well. Dwp are clowns
Considering the DWP are a private company isn’t it time we stopped giving them access to public money.
@@pamelahall9459 wait are they actually???
And clowns which aren't above behaving illegally themselves.
@@addicted2caffeine no they are literally a government department
@@pamelahall9459 They are a dept of government not a private company, however there are private companies attached to the DWP whose main job is assessing those who claim benefits for disability. Maybe it’s the latter you are referring to.
Get after all those rich people who take the money overseas and pay nothing into the system
Perhaps they could start by giving a damn. Last time i had to sign on i actually asked the guy about what they did about folk that were clearly committing fraud. "Oh, i report them to Woking, but they never do anything". And going back further - As a kid i used to work in a shop next to the job centre, and every day there was a steady stream of nice cars that would park up on the double yellow lines, set the hazard lights flashing, a guy wearing a small fortune in gold would get out and go in to claim his benefits. They could have written "Fraudulent claimant" across their foreheads and no-one would have cared.
But dare to be sick, and claim benefits for that, well then you're f**ked.
We all should worry if government can do anything without being held accountable
Is it too late to get the £4bn in fraudulent furlough claims back? Stable door and locking after come to mind.....
Would we see another Post Office type situation happening the future? I can't trust any government department to get it right, irrespective of the party in power.
This will not end well, the DWP staff should never be involved in arrests and prosecution. I suspect any new powers will be abused. Particularly as the DWP cannot stop anything at present.
My Nephew's x wife was in the DWP and was quite high up in the ' anti fraud dept' (sic). She told me that most of the fraud, perhaps by value, was comitted by DWP staff!
The amount of money spent on tackling benefit fraud compared to large scale tax fraud, which costs the country much, much more, tells you everything you need to know.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
My concerns are that the DWP can look into anyone's bank account based on suspicion only....just to see IF they have more money than declared. What control will there be??
To be honest DWP can already make a request to banks for a persons account details where they suspect fraud. The question would be whether the banks require proof of fraud from DWP or just release the information regardless. From my experience DWP don't always work lawfully or ethically.
they have also been known to spy on people through social media sites like facebook as well.
@@kt5661 They never have, only for the PTB's further power grab into folks life's. They want a digital money system not hard money so the drive pushes on to try to fold in the backbone of the world a hard cash environment. It use to be if you had more than £10.000 in cash to buy something it had to be through a bank that has come down to £1.000 anything over the HMRC + police want you ask your questions.....for what? It's your money not theirs but they take it off you & you have prove it's yours to get it back..... criminals the lot of them !
DWP can already trace all your bank accounts with out you knowing . They tend to invite people in for interviews under caution who they suspect of committing benefit fraud , this is not done willy nilly , but a targeted approach and by the time you get the invite they know a lot about you . Arrest and search are currently done by the police with DWP in attendance who will carry out the interview under caution at a police station so for most people this change will make no difference .
@@kt5661 this sounds like they can do it much more freely....slippery slope me thinks.
We have a separation between the police and other services for a reason one keeps the other in check
@trent > all those extra check will be gone & they (dwp/HMRC) will be power on-till themselves ! The plan all along...... Big brother come in for another round of money grabbing from the public again !
This is going to be a disaster. I've had trouble in the past with the DWPs utter incompetence.
Unfortunately the old mantra "If you are honest you have nothing to worry about" does not apply to the DWP.
The DWP have a policy of pursuing soft, easy targets.
Sounds like you’re worried about getting caught
@@Anonymous56657 Even the innocent get caught out. All the DWP want to do is get the cases off their books and they will do that anyway they can.
@@tightcamper Definitely sounds like you don’t like to work
@@Anonymous56657 What are you babbling on about?
These new powers will also cover state pensions. So every single pensioner will now have no privacy as far as their bank accounts are concerned.
And how much will it cost the taxpayer to enforce this new legislation? The HMRC investigators have to be paid, as do the bailiffs and police sent in to arrest the alleged 'offenders' and the court staff to bring them to trial. It will cost the economy very much more than £2 billion, especially if the HMRC get it wrong and persecute, sorry, prosecute someone who is perfectly entitled to their benefits!
corporation tax in the UK is only paid on profits, Starbucks ensured it made no profits by making large royalty and other payments to offshore companies, including charging itself for using the Starbucks name, they stole over £75m per year from tax and Gov did fk all, only starbucks how many corporations in UK did the same
My concern is similar as to when they gave Social Services great powers. Look at the amount of times innocent people suffered then as Social Workers got it wrong or some vindictive person called Social Services and used that Agency as a Weapon. Social Worker were being investigated by the E.U. for unlawful behaviour before Brexit and were due to be in a lot of trouble. But they just got away with it.
The last time the DWP were allowing anonymous information to be reported ( a Little over 10 Year Ago ) there were Pranks Calls, and Vindictive use of the Benefits Agency causing more suffering.
With the "Cost of Living" skyrocketing; what if the DWP get it wrong now and stop a persons Benefits....???
My crazy ex-neighbour reported me anonymously to HMRC because I complained about a party that went on for three days (we live in flats and we live directly above them), took me 6 months to clear my name and that was just a simple investigation, lord only knows what would happen if HMRC had powers of arrest at the time.
The irony of it all was she got caught subletting her flat to her sister, was convinced it was me who reported her but her sister was lovely, nothing like her junkie alcoholic private school teacher older sister. She dropped herself in it by applying for a mortgage to buy a house down the road and when the council did a credit check, like they do every few months, it showed up, she was told return the keys or be prosecuted, her sister move out overnight, shame she was quiet nice.
Would be interesting to know what u actually think of this move BBB, seen as u know how complicated law is and unless trained, most people don't understand legal terms. Given how incompetent the DWP are, and how many years it takes to study law...do u, as a barrister, think its a good move?
I wish this video was longer, why so brief!?
It's a pity it doesn't happen with government spending........ track n trace app springs to mind £35 billion I belive .
Maybe they should stop wasting over £8 a day housing certain people in hotels and feeding them for FREE. Now that would be a good way of saving money.
It's not the laws that are my issue It's those that exceed those laws. There is never sufficient overview, watching for those that abuse their positions. Who's going to train these people too? or is it going to be "Have ar it, folks... catch us some bad guyss and justify our existance"
Surely it makes more sense to better fund the police, so that they have more time to investigate?
Training another group to do the same job will definitely be more expensive.
Also I mean will this bring the dwp under the home office? As police are? If not, does it lead to parallel sets of rules?
Can I be investigated by the police at the same time?
This just seems like a complicated way to run this system when we already have an answer, empower the police to do it.
I think police officers are paid more than DWP civil servants so I suspect it won't happen.
They can start in Downing street.
Well said 👏👏👍
How long before the desperate turn to crime to benefit from the provisions required under incarceration?
Back to the days of petty crime in exchange for a warm bed for the winter... easier than coercing dwp "agents" to diligently complete their work 🤬
I have been almost there on a number of occasions. I don't know how serious I was really, but the notion of trying to get incarcerated genuinely crossed my mind a few times.
i ve got news, crime is already up
It's a sad indictment of a Tory run country, but poor people actually have more rights, protection and a safer environment by being in prison than struggling, often alone, in a mouldy bedsit, cold windows and not enough money to heat and eat.
In prison the cells have to be heated, three meals a day, access to a doctor, dentist and prescriptions. Safeguarded. Protected. Access to courses, literature and TV.
On the outside many millions of law abiding citizens have none of these things. Certainly no guarantee of affording heating or food. Certainly no access to a dentist at all and very little input from a doctor.
Cells wouldn't be allowed to get mouldy in prison, either.
giving power to the wrong ppl is stupidity, I certainly wouldn't give my details to ANY corporation who are not police, and then ONLY if I have committed a crime. The DWP deserve all the abuse from the public if they try overstep their boundaries. You are there to do benefits nothing more
Where were the MP`s of all parties to scrutinise these new powers ,some of which are very,very intrusive ? I believe not one MP of either Conservative or Labour asked for a vote for division as is normal with this type of bill . That alone is setting a dangerous hype for all of us in the future of democracy . No one likes anyone scamming the system but how far does any future government go to intrude on innocent people ?
I work for DWP, this is dangerous and the large egos in DWP do not train staff to do normal job properly. This should not happen.
Thank You good sir for yr comment there are still one or two good folk left in the DWP then :)
@@dahnparker8014 I try to fight the idiots but there are alot.
@@vincesmith7308 Yr a dying breed fella thank You ! It's the same in social services few and far between. Coming out of refugees commitments to them, that the US and UK have sacked off which were made after WW2 has lowered the bar for care/life generally and people don't realise that it has a direct effect on care in the community is very worrying ! Germany published a couple of years ago now, that over 3000 under 16s where missing unaccounted for not traceable thousands across EU I believe. I have worked with children from war zones with PTSD. One lad had been lost in conflict (about 6) separated from his family/adults for possible months definitely weeks. While working with him (intensive interaction) I over roll played my reaction to finding him dead. He desperately asked me to pull on his arms skin hair and smell him all the while he was shouting he was alive and ok all documented recorded. luckily has just left collage the boy done so good :) but he didn't meet criteria for extra home support when a teenager struggling shocking! Love and Peace to all
@@dahnparker8014 You to mate. People do not realise how bad it is. You try to fight for the right thing to help people which was, when I started, thought that was what it is about. Unfortunately no. It is about the egos in higher levels who do not know how to do the job pushing and constant pressure. The Civil Service is a breedin ground for people unfortunately are like our government. Who do not care, wil do anything to drive their agendas for power and greed. Hope this does not go through? I see on a day to day basis how they treat staff and customers. Not good.
@@vincesmith7308 I hear You man :) time served tho ! When the time comes, get out and look after You. I hope there is something more fortuitous coming to You so can then tackle and help from a different angle :) I am not religious person tho send you blessing to You and Yours Peace :)
This is Wrong! Very Wrong ! Many vulnerable people will be in desperate fear of this decision. The DWP is a bad egg already someone has to look after genuine claimants blessing to all those in this Mill
The first thing they need to is sort out benefit offices etc so that fraud can be spotted and stopped before it starts.
Are they taking a Oath in the Office of Constable then ?
what could possibly go wrong...
meanwhile quality of dwp staff especially working from home is of a very low calibre.
What about tax fraud?
Any excuse not to help those who actually need help. Typical tactic of tbe powers that be
They need arresting not given more powers
That’s the start of it
It will be able to do this to everyone soon!!!
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The REALLY scary thing is not knowing wether or not we'll all be told if/ when these changes come into play. I mean they haven't been awfully forthcoming so far, have they?
Sometime in 2023 I read.
`nothing to worry about`
I have heard that phrase so many times :(
when the DWP makes sure the interview room is 51 meters from reception and the claimant is asked to walk it, the interviewer knows the criteria is 50 meters meaning everyone effectively fails on that alone no matter how they struggle or what their medical condition ... was it 270 Billion they threw at covid!!
This is unsafe. They need to go to court. There are so many people who will vilify others for their own purposes.
Are you actually serious? Nothing to worry about if you’re innocent, tell that to the Post Office employees that lost everything, in some case their lives. Giving the DWP this kind of power is beyond the pale. It is those who have the least who will be targeted, people on legitimate benefits such as disability, child tax credits, and let’s not forget state pensioners. However, the state pension is not a benefit, people have paid into the system all of their working lives and it is universal. Just imagine someone’s granny who keeps a bit of cash under the mattress that she’s saved for her grandchildren’s birthdays; she gets a knock on the door and without a warrant the DSS/DWP turn her house over looking for her pittance. Does that sound like justice to you? We need to fight this with every fibre of our bodies please don’t let the establishment gaslight us about this issue. It is estimated that 60% of so called fraud is actually errors made by the DWP and about £16m is unclaimed by people who should be in receipt of payments. As for the fraudsters they know how to game the system and are not stupid enough to put extra cash into a bank account in the first place.
Something else to increase anxiety. So now they can not only stop benefits without warning, as they did my income support (disabled), they can also arrest us? No doubt it'll be on us to prove innocence, rather than them to prove guilt.
will these new laws include non disclosing double jobbing MP's , MP,s claiming expenses they are not entitled to. No wait, they aint breaking the law, just the rules. The law only applies to the disadvantaged, the poor.
I guarantee the dingey doctors will not be looked into
Conseratives: "The Nasty Party."
Liverpool will be in riots!
Perhaps they should start with prosecuting those that have unlawfully given government contracts to their mates.
And how long would they stay employed at the dwp if they did that?
Benefit fraud is a fraction of tax fraud / avoidance... Perhaps their time could be put to better use .
I've tried to claim PIP, I have stage 4 cancer that is not survivable and have been told that I cant have it because I can walk into my hospital appointments from my car and can cook a basic meal
so lets flesh this out a bit , I can walk 50m and cook beans on toast sorry Sir you cant get anything even thought your dying .
So sorry, you clearly should be getting help. I hope you appeal and get it backdated, in time for it to help you cope a bit better.
@telephassarose3501he probably isn't here now 8 months late reply
I find it disturbing that someone presenting a social media channel can say "you have nothing to worry about" in relation to corrupt incompetent public sector agencies being given draconian powers over anything at all, regardless of context
You are wrong, anyone who is disabled knows full well that they do need to be worried about this sort of thing because, even though they are claiming benefits because they can’t work, DWP already constantly require them to go through unnecessary interviews to see if their missing leg has magically grown back. Giving them the power of arrest and the ability to make warrants is frightening even for those of us who aren’t committing fraud. The majority of benefits goes to people who are working for employers who don’t pay enough for people to live so they need a top up from the government, I bet they would save way more than 2bn if they were to address that issue instead.
Meanwhile Rishi Sunak's wife has been getting away with not paying millions in tax because she lied about being a permanent resident of the UK after living here for eight years. That's right chase the little people
I counted 33 comments against these plans before I saw even one in favour. You have misjudged your audience here.
Back dated payments aren't supposed to be counted as savings according to DWPs own website details yet they see these as savings, conveniently forget they had paid a backdate and thereby stop future payments. This whole system stinks.
It will get worse with the Tory government giving themselves powers to override the court system that holds them to account and the ongoing social targeting of those on socual welfare/security.
Can't wait to hear the uproar when AI takes over evermore jobs leaving even more people in need of social security payments. Time to bring in Universal Basic Income. Given that government create money, dont need to borrow it and the economy is failing because there isnt enough money in circulation (rich folk with money static in bank accounts, offshore trusts and investments doesnt count as circulation) welfare payments that allow people to live rather than survive (just!) would benefit the whole of society.
Oh and by the way everyone pays tax (see VAT, fuel taxes) which takes excess money out of circulation.
The dwp have just demanded that I send them four months worth of statements or they'll stop my disability benefits. How is this legal when the police have to get a court order to take such action?
and how do they decide to check on you ?-to raid everyones bank accounts to begin with etc ?
Having seen the vast incompetence of government bodies over the years , as a pensioner I worry. No law ever created has failed to be misused or abused by authorities. All appeals processes are expensive, time consuming and work against the victims with the full power and finances of governments and usually run by private companies.
The government, aka the Tory circus, should direct its attention to the billions lost to PPE contracts and those complicit - aka, Tory circus associates.
With the state pension being miscategorised as a benefit these days, having government agencies snoop on bank accounts is the thin end of the wedge. Means testing state pension doesn't seem as unlikely once this data grab in the government's arsenal.
This is exactly why they are doing it!
The amount of people who work at the DWP who end up robbing the place and nothing is ever known is massive. They keep all prosecutions private and out of the public eye.
I don't condone fraudulent money claims , neither do I condone wrongful funding and claims by the government and or snivel servants
Here we go more bollocks from the government
What about new powers for tackling cash for my friends dished out by MPs.
This won't go well! I had a fight with DWP for over two years over money I was overpaid and paid back over a decade befor.
Their record keeping is as attrociuse as their interpersonal skills.
By 'Save £2billion' they mean, waste it elsewhere.
'More powers' ... There's a very worrying authoritarian pattern emerging.
Sounds good idea as I need PIP don't get it and I know people who get PIP and not need it and we see many in the papers but this will be abused by those at the DWP as well they not qualified doctors at end of day
For five years I have paid almost £6,000 in deductions via UC .
my housing association has been billing me for someone else who has the same name as me in the next town .
I have been legally mistaken for 33 years !
What can I do about this please ?
The very last thing the DWP needs is more power
Far to much power for bureaucrats when fraud at the highest level gets a free pass, the law is already adequate in tackling fraud and all this does is outsource the law to civil servants. Very ominous and dangerous move.
As they regard the State Pension as a benefit, are they hoping to have free access to every pensioners bank accounts ? Who is going to police this. What infuriates me is DWP employees derive all their income from the Taxpayer, so are 100% hypocrites.
Having had my disabled son refused PIP initially and then fully reinstated instantly on appeal, I don't have much sympathy with the DWP. When I was unemployed I got nothing from them, it forces people to work the system. If the DWP play fair, then most people would play fair too. But when you are constantly denied what you know you should be entitled to (and if you'd get if you had some form of advocate), unfortunately the DWP don't have my sympathy. It's about time the DWP started helping people claim the correct benefits, not always denying them. Because then it becomes an adversarial system instead of the welfare system it should be.
Having been made redundant from my job, having no savings, being diagnosed with my third cancer and diagnosed with depression I feel safe saying that I am in need but what do I get from a system I have paid into all my working life - the bare, basic allowance from UC, not even the health element. I cannot cover my main bills let alone buy food. To say they want to give the money to those most in need is a HUGE joke, they have no intention of giving it to people in need. To them we are all scroungers regardless. 😡