the range of Enterprise weapons is tens of thousands of kilometers. granted, on tv shows the space battles tend to show both ships on screen at the same time, so the viewer can see the ships shooting each other.
The trouble with any kind of energy weapons is that they need a lot of pseudoscience gobbledegook to make them hit anything able to go faster than light. Which means basically ANY ship in most sci-fi shows. Energy beams being very, very thin in comparison to any kind of physical object require a fairly long time of contact to deliver their energy to even begin to cause damage. However, dispersion of energy beams is a square root of distance so at 300k to 400k kilometers distance even a terrawatt output would be barely a candle flame. This is compounded that in both scifi universes these beams last for such short times. Meaning that anything able to fly at FTL speeds AND maneuver at the same time can almost immediately break contact with the energy beams. Meaning the damage that already is attenuated due to distance is again reduced due to an even shorter contact. So, basically the idea of energy weapons of any kind beyond even relatively measly short distances of a few ten thousand kilometers is ridiculously dumb. So basically both universes handwaved away the problems of both distance and energy output.
First, I agree with most on here that the scaling is off, however, we are looking at this from two technological standpoints. Tactically, the Enterprise is superior and far more maneuverable on it's impulse drive than the Star Destroyer. The Star Destroyer does have powerful weapons, but their target tracking ability is far to slow. The Enterprise is not a science vessel, it's a multi-purpose cruiser with an emphasis on combat, originally designed to combat the Klingon's D7 and be self sustaining for long periods of time. While most ST fans, including myself, enjoy seeing Star Trek beat the crap out of Star Wars, it's not realistic nor is it fair comparison of the two sci-fi universes. A more fair comparison might be made between Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars. The Cylons verses the Deathstar and or Galactica verses a Star Destroyer.
Want it more lopsided, have the Enterprise D take on a Star Destroyer or Battlestar Galactica themselves, we're looking at what, 2 or 3 photon torpedoes to rip them apart while nukes do nothing to their shields?
@@andyt2k Well if you want to take them from the same time period, Star Wars has Star Destroyers when Star Trek are cavemen at best, possibly before man even evolves on Earth. SW is taking place in our distant past while ST is in our future so the "Lasers, ha ha". line from next gen (that all the ST guys love to quote ) is way out of place in a comparison with SW as by the time the Federation is formed SW warships should have weapons that make the Star Killer gun look weak.
If shield were able to transport through I'd simply order tactical to beam 2 photon torpedoes into the isds engine room and bridge. If that does not disable or destroy enough for to escape beam one inside its main reactor
Using standard Federation tactics, the Enterprise wouldn't have been fighting under impulse power, using warp drive instead. This speed would have made the Enterprise a very difficult, if not impossible, target during such a battle. In fact, seeing such capability would likely cause an Imperial warship to withdraw from the battle to inform other destroyers of the new threat.
@@roberteugene7295 I know that federation ships can fire their weapons while traveling at warp speeds, but can they hit targets NOT traveling at or close to those same speeds?
@@cliffcampbell8827 Indeed, they can. The target tracking system is extremely sophisticated, and phasers (particularly well adapted to firing while at warp speed) are quite accurate. They "lock" on the target by way of the computerized targeting system, and this ensures accuracy at warp speeds.
I like how you used the transporter tech. Most people that compare the two universes outright ignore that tech, as they either dont consider its offensive capabilities, or think it would just be a "I win button", which they dont like. And before people say "you cant beam through shields", actually, you can. In universe, the various factions had to alter their shields to account for transporters being able to be used as offensive weapons. In SW they have never encountered this tech, so they wouldnt have adapted to it. So any ST ship that engages in combat with any SW ship can just beam a photon, quantum, tricobalt, or some other explosive into the reactor and win. Without ever needing to drop the ships shields.
Against Kirk’s Enterprise, with the greatest bridge crew in Starfleet history? The Empire wouldn’t stand a chance. Chekhov and Sulu had a tactical field day. Against Thrawn’s crew and the ISD Chimaera? Now THAT would be a party worth going to! Kirk would still win. Janeway would ram the Star Destroyer. Picard and Thrawn wouldn’t fight. They would be having tea and discussing history and art.
This is no joke I just finished My Thrawn Vs Kirk video Yesterday. It took me 6 weeks and in about 28 hourse you are the second person who have brought up that idea here is the link if you're interested th-cam.com/video/bvQzpqCfQWE/w-d-xo.html
Naviwinn in a discussion about art? Absolutely. Against Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov? Against the USS Enterprise’s phaser banks, shields, and photon torpedoes? NOT. Kirk would be banging Arihnda Pryce on Thrawn’s desk in no time.
@@AgentM79 I would like to disagree, in @Ken Lewis's Thrawn Vs Kirk video, I do believe he massively underplayde both commanders tactics. While it would be a extremely hard battle for Thrawn to win, and he would see that, I believe he would find a way to eliminate their enemy's greatest strength. Speed. I'm not gonna go into tactics now, but it is well possible. Easy pickings from there.
Naviwinn For certain, it would be a battle for the ages! Kirk’s ship is superior, and his bridge crew is superior. Not that Gilad Pelleon and Eli Vanto aren’t formidable. But, they are facing off against Kirk, Spock, and Scotty. Rewatch “Balance of Terror”to get a better feel for Kirk, and “Doomsday Machine” to see how seamlessly Kirk’s crew operates. I am a big Thrawn fan as well. I would enjoy his unconventional tactics against Kirk, and his analysis of Kirk’s decisions. But when you fight Kirk, you fight his crew as well.
In the Star Trek universe, lasers are considered primitive weapons. They're not even capable of penetrating weak shields. So the Enterprise would be pretty much immune to a Star Destroyer's turbolasers.
The sovereign class ship that picard commands after the galaxy ship is destroyed would whoop the piss out of a star destroyer. Voyager intrepid class would have a hard time only because its not really a battleship. its more like a destroyer, so it may be faster, but it cant take a beating as much as the galaxy and sovereign class can
Janeway is Op. She cheats on levels that Star Wars doesn't even think on. Even if she loses then a future version of her will just show up and cheat even harder. Including Janeway in the fight just isn't fair. She cheats harder than the Emperor does.
The Enterprise is scaled far too small against the star destroyer which is about 1600 meters long. The Enterprise from TOS was at least about 1/6 of the length of a standard star destroyer. It's tiny in comparison in this vid.
Very Few Comparison Videos of Star Trek vs Star Wars are REASONABLY Comparisons base upon the "Science" of the Universes. Star Trek Wins 99.999993% of the "Time"..... Let's be Honest. #1- Star Trek: Impulse Drive imparts Velocities of 75% of Light Speed vs Star Wars .0003% of Light Speed for Sub-Light Velocities. #2- Weapons Output is LAUGHABLE in Star Trek's Favor..... #3- Shields? Even in the TOS Era, "Lasers" are a JOKE!!! OK, "Turbo" Lasers aren't a Joke, but they are still, ummm, not SUFFICIENT..... #4- Sensor Capabilities...... GAME OVER.
Star Wars uses fusion as its primary power. (Kardashev scale level 1) Star Trek uses anti-matter. (Kardashev scale level 2) The only advantage star wars has is hyperdrive is crazy faster than warp.
@@tonybuck5863 Faster than warp.... You do know that when we talk about warp speed, we're talking about 1000 times the speed of light..... What SW ship has ever gone that fast????
The Empire could call itself a galactic because it controlled most of a galaxy and the federation controls a large and I mean a large chunk of two quadrants
You are so correct, although if you want a good laugh, I did a part 2 of this video. Kirk vs Thrawn. As soon as comic con is a thang again. they will come for me.
I swear finally someone says it. The Enterprise is so much faster and more manueverable than a ISD, that even if you gave them equal weapons the ISD would never be able to bring them to bear.
Massive fan of both franchises, both were hugely influencial to me in my formative years and beyond Vader is probably the greatest Shakespearean villain that Shakespeare never wrote and I love him! I think this fight is summed up best by Jack O'niel from Stargate: it's the difference between a weapon of terror and an instrument of combat (not strictly what a Constitution class is, I know but the shoe fits). Big love to all my fellow nerds! Live long and prosper while the force is with you guys!
Yeah, the Federation doesn't enjoy war. So when they do make weapons and actual warships, they're just devastatingly effective. They just want the war over quickly so they can go back to studying weird alien bugs and quasars.
@@tomasistudios2618 The Thirty Second Bomb was created by Robert Heinlein in the original novel of _Starship Troopers._ The Lying Thirty Second Bomb was created about, well, thirty seconds later by fans of RAH. ;)
1. Engine power is a cubic function and shield area is a square function. 2. The ISD is 5 times the length of the 1701. And the wedge shape is more substantial, so I'd say it's about 200+ times as massive as the Enterprise. 3. Sublight speeds in SW and Trek are roughly comparable. 4. While sublight drives do not provide most of the power for either ship, they do provide a significant percentage. Both ships use fusion drives. 5. Based on scaling, the ion engines for the ISD should be at least 100x as powerful as those on the Enterprise. 6. The Enterprise warp drive uses an anti-matter annihilation process. The ISD uses a "hypermatter" annihilation process. Tomato, tomahto. Considering SW FTL speeds are much faster, there's no plausible rationale for arguing that Trek engines are more powerful. So the ISD's total "energy budget" is more than 100x that of the Enterprise, at least. 7. The primary heavy turbolaser batteries on the ISD are said to be capable of channeling a significant portion of total ship power. Let's assume the shielding is also proportional to the energy budget. 8. Based on the energy budget, both the turbolasers and the shields on the ISD should be significantly stronger than their counterparts on the 1701. 9. Also, each ISD carries a squadron of TIE bombers, which carry proton torpedoes and concussion missiles, and the TIEs wouldn't stupidly run into the 1701's shields and crash. 10. Aside from being completely wrong from a physics and engineering standpoint, good work on the animation. ;p
Never mind that the ace in the trek-universe pocket is the ability to maneuver, track and engage targets at FTL speeds (while in warp) and from extreme distances.
@@Loki1701e the one should only be only one fith the size of the other but the enterprise is (if I see this correctly) a hundred meters long, MAX (rather than the 289 Meters this version should be). That´s not only important for target profile but the speed as seen on screen and the Maneuverability changes drastically.
@@iankphone They cannot actually fire at FTL... when they say warp power in battle they mean weapons, shields and impulse engines take power from the antimatter reaction chamber, not the Impulse(fusion)reactor. We´ve never seen any ship in star trek outside the VERY controversial JJverse Dreadnought fire at warp and there is no evidence to claim that this is common among starships. especially since getting to warp seems to be the final escape during star trek battles
Another advantage the Enterprise has is range and accuracy. In a tos episode the Enterprise shoots and hits a one meter long target at 90 thousand kilometers. Stardestroyers of the FO are shown to have a range limit of a few thousand kilometers. Assuming Imperial SDs are equal to FO SDs.
I don't think anybody knows the true maximum effective weapon ranges of either universe or the extent of their total is destructive capabilities. According to "official SW canon," a S.D. has turbo and heavy turbo lasers as well as ion cannons (maybe not as powerful as the Hoth one was, but still..) I think some other weapon types also but not sure.
One thing that always seems to get overlooked when comparing the ships in Star Trek to those in Star Wars...Star Trek ships can fire weapons while at warp speed. The ships in Star Wars have to drop out of hyperspace before they can even engage in a fight. I don't think it likely a ship from Star Wars would even hit one of the ships from Star Trek.
@@arencorparencorp2189 Considered stopping to have that chat...but I was at Warp 6, so I only had time to blow up the Imperial ship as I shot on by! ;-)
@@mirozen_ maybe ur torp just scratches the isd shields, we dont know, if we take the legends turbolaser yield the isd shield would hold the enterprise for a VEEERY long time, sure it will end losing as it wont hit the enterprise, but it will just retreat at the end, then bring interdictor cruiser and ur, warp 6 changes to warp 0, and ur movement changes to 0 thx to tractor beams and ofc they can hit these, then blow it to pieces, granted the sw legends yield, also shotting from warp out of war was NEVER seen on movies, ik ik, we'r taking series, ok, use theseparatist malevolence, bye enterprise dodge that xd, even better, star wars eternal fleet, enterprise cant dodge em all bcz the entire space will be covered by ships, it can be biased both ways, thats what i mean, the isd might be a pile of useless crap and the death star get instakilled by quantum torps, or it might not scratch the xwing shields and get instakilled by a turbolaser
@@arencorparencorp2189 LOL! It's fun to be a fan of both franchises! Would the "Interdictor" affect Warp drive? Interesting! :-) The raw POWER of the Star Wars ships is truly incredible, but I've always looked at the technology posited in Star Trek as being just the thing to provide for easy slagging of the Empire fleet if ever pitted against each other. The technology Roddenberry imagined for his vision of the future (things like transporters, warp drive, quantum torpedoes, cloaking, deflector shields, phasers - which can operate while at warp speed) are so foreign and incompatible with the technology of Lucas's vision (hyperdrive "jump" travel, light speed laser based weapons, shields against laser weapons) that when logically pitted against each other the Star Wars ships can neither attack nor defend against a ship moving at warp speed. For an "instantaneous kill" just beam a quantum torpedo the Imperial ships engine room. Game over. Federation ships could even be cloaked (why worry about treaties against cloaking when fighting Imperials) Of course, this all assumes that the Star Trek ships fight intelligently and make use of their advantages. Not a given in a SciFi franchise! (I still cringe when my wife is watching "The Flash" and he constantly finds himself in dire straights fighting enemies he should easily be able to take out. Give me the powers of "The Flash" and a ball peen hammer. Zoom! Bop! Game over. Episode Done. Not the way to make entertaining TV, but if the Flash were smart any fight would be over in under a second - literally.) I wouldn't be surprised if the first move of a Federation ship meeting an Imperial Star Destroyer would be to open hailing frequencies...as the first volley of fire from the Imperial ship obliterates their un-shielded motionless buttocks! Empire 1. Federation Zip! Used intelligently I think Federation ships would never lose against Imperial ships...but are they really gonna fight intelligently? :-)
@@mirozen_ actually hyperspace is WAY faster than warp drives, star wars ships r capable of crossing the galaxy and even venturing outside to satellite galaxies, star trek ships will take centurys to cross the galaxy (look at voyager) while star wars ships, coruscant is at the center of the galaxy and geonosis at the outher rim, and a fighter takes what, 1h to do that travel? hyperspace is EXTREMELY fast compared to warp drives, that being said the empire will be surprised, at first by transporters, granted the fed ships can pen the shields, about cloaking, star wars also has that, not that common but, also, and the tracking torps of star wars r supposed to, once locked not get fooled by the cloak, so... thats 1, also interdictor fields might be used to inmobilize, thats why the interdictor 2.0 was called, inmobilicer, then the ion cannons might wreck the enterprise, or maybe they wont scratch the enterprise paint, what will certainly win is darth vader, he can just choke the entire crew and be done, he did that from another star system so.... we can go crazy of both universes, then vs vader we use q, and vs q we use vitiate or zildrog in star wars... so yea both have heap of junk ships and universe killing powers xd
No contest. Enterprise wins everytime. A Rebel fighter took out the deflector shields on a super star destroyer. One torpedo would do the same, then transport a torpedo into their engine room.
Star Wars super fans would point to the non-canon, non-Disney/Lucas owned "manuals" that made up INSANE power ratings for all Star Wars weapons, which did not fit LITERALLY anything we've ever seen in movies or TV in the last 40 years. So, the analysis here is sound, that the Enterprise would win. In fact, the Enterprises effective range is SOOOOOO much farther than the Star Destroyer's, that the SD wouldn't even know what is shooting at them.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, to be fair I did make a Thrawn vs Kirk video just to give the SD the best possible chance, but people still think I got it wrong. Watcha gunna do?
Indeed. Trek actually has canonical data supporting gigaton and teraton level firepower... Star Wars doesn't (except maybe the death star main laser, but that doesn't exactly count). Oh and Star Trek actually has planet busting TORPEDOES. When you contrast the fact that Star Wars needs a Death Star (the size of a small moon) to destroy a planet, vs Star Trek that needs a puny torpedo casing the size of 2 meters... you start noticing that Trek can do the same with much less (aka, technical efficiency). Sure, Star Wars has Hyperdrive which is definitely faster than what we saw of regular Warp drive... however, Warp 9.9 = 21 473 times the speed of light (USS Prometheus was travelling at that speed, which means that about 4 years after Voyager launched, SF effectively managed to increase their Warp capabilities from 9.75 to 9.9 on a state of the art ship like USS Prometheus = Voy was never SEEN using 9.975 as that was an error and the dialogue doesn't support it because at that speed, Voyager would have been able to come back home in 7 days with that speed. The dialogue DOES support 9.75 though - this also means that the majority of the fleet would likely be able to travel at Warp 9.9 by the time or shortly after Voyager came back home). Also, there's Quantum Slipstream v1 (300 Ly's per hour) and v2 (10 000 Ly's per minute - this one even beats out the Hyperdrive from Star Wars). Transwarp too - but Starfleet doesn't officially use that (even though the Federation technological evolution SHOULD have given them TW capabilities by late 23rd century). Oh and Voyager also (technically) brought back the technology for using Coaxial Warp drive which actually worked on a shuttle (shame we never saw it in action after that 1 episode though - but that would have effectively ended the show - and it was never mentioned after that episode... but Slipstream still was mentioned).
I'm more of a ST fan than a SW fan, however I have to point out that Star Destroyers weapons ARE staggeringly powerful compared to the norm for weapons in ST. You see everyone (including the person who made this video) assumes they are weak because we only see the fast firing anti-fighter turrets in action. The only time you ever see a SD firing it's main weapons are in the opening scene where they disable Leia's ship and in Empire when they use them to blow up asteroids. For reference the main cannons on a SD are about equivalent to a nuclear warhead. In addition to that they also have Ion cannons which (IIRC) we never even see them use as they are an anti-ship weapon not an anti-fighter weapon and we never see an SD take on another ship (The Falcon is barely bigger than a Runabout), one Ion blast would be enough to one shot the shields on a Constitution class.
@@llynellyn But none of those cases do you see serious firepower in the star Destroyers. The shot on Liea’s ship does negligence damage. A shot from a SD caused a blast similar to a hand phaser. sT phasers from a big ship would burn away most of Leia’s ship. Same when you see blasts on the ground near folks, or hitting fighters. Nothing like a nuclear bomb level blast. More like air to air missle blasts.
@@KellyStarks It was actually using ion cannons to knock out the ship without damaging it. Threepio even pointed it out when he saw the ship from the escape pod
Spot on. Great use of low graphics to illustrate the capabilities of the enterprise and the short comings of the Destroyer. Many fail to take tactical use of the ship into account when making VS videos. I'm sure your video took some effort to make and I appreciate it. Going to show to my son.
Nobody mentions the fact that St universe has cloaking devices, transporters, oh and anybody mentioning the force. I would put the Q continuum up against the whole jedi and sith and they could beat them all with one click of a finger. ST universe is massively overpowered compared to rusty SW tech.
@Matt Vanderford I mean considering what he said afterwards, yeah, its obvious, seeing what he said about the scenes in Empire. 1. The ISD didn't Destroy the Falcon because they didn't want to destroy it, they wanted to disable it so they could capture the crew. 2. The reason why the ISD was damaged in the Asteroid Field was because they had been in that Asteroid Field for hours, which means that the Shields of the ISD had been worn down exponentially
Forgetting that Star Destroyer have shields which will prevent the transporter trick, tie bombers, and even can have missile boats, which could destroy poor Enterprise after turbolaser turrets take care of it's shield. But of course Enterprise would just fly away, mr. Spock would analyze SD construction, find out where are the shield generators are and then the plan could work. Though Enterprise crew are not cold blooded killers and just would not do such a thing. They would negotiate the hell out of them)
@@tomasistudios2618 Why didn’t you bring up the fact that star trek ships perform battle tactics and maneuver at relativistic speeds faster than light speeds it seems like you’re gonna have to pull out that Trump card for people to understand I don’t think they get science but then again that Star Wars fans and believe in space wizards
Yeah scale is a bit off, it is much larger at roughly 5 1/2 times longer. The problem is ISD was from a long time ago in a galaxy far far away and NCC 1701 was launched in about 2245 and Kirk entered command in the 2260s. He of course would have seen all the Star Wars episodes, a huge advantage there.
Had the same thought. Dumb, pointless matchup. I'll avoid comments now. He's got more than enough traffic for the amount of work he has put into his video.
@@Loki1701e Yes, plot armor. Your efforts to pretend otherwise are futile. And no logic was ever involved in this matchup, especially in the very premise. This is a rigged duel from the start, clearly made in vain hope to somehow undermine Star Wars in a pointless, and referenceless, dick measuring contest. An exercise in futility.
Also the Enterprise can go to warp whenever they want, get distance etc. The Star Destroyer has to calculate jump coordinates through a worm hold conduit so it can't pick and choose any arbitrary place to go. Also have to question sublight speed which I would grant the enterprise. Only thing the Star Destroyer has is fighters and such a larger mass that it would take a lot of wood chopping for the enterprise to destroy it.
I did covert some of that, when I did a Kirk vs Thrawn video. This video was more of a head fight in a vacuum, where that is an actual story. Where I was able to introduce things that more naturally
Fan of both; and though I thought the rate of fire on both sides was in neglect, I would still concur with the outcome. Not so much on the TOS side as later... I mean hell, the Defiant flea would have chopped up any dozen Star Destroyers.. mostly with quantum torpedoes, and energy weapons used to reduce their shielding. The fighter squadron would have been vaporized by phaser fire.
Both are great. SW ships and their hyperdrive are actually faster than ST ships with their warp capabilities. But, yeah, Imperial vessels used to ionized plasma weaponry would have zero defense against charged particle weaponry and even less against transporter technology.
well to be fair Star Wars ships have shields but usually fighters can fly through them as Star Wars shields are designed to either stop turbolasers or torpedoes at one time, not at the same time
Notice how the TIEs DON'T open fire before flying into the shields. Sorry, but I don't buy that the Enterprise has that kind of range on it's shields. With how close it was shown to the ImpStar when the TIEs were launched it's shields would have been enveloping the ImpStar as well if they were to extend far enough to put the TIEs out of maximum firing range. No, it was in their firing range. So even if we assume that the blue shielding that WE CAN SEE could not be seen by the TIE pilots, they'd have still been alerted to the pressence of the shields by their own laser firing striking the shields. And would have manuvered to avoid stricking the shields. Not to mention how they flew as all in a formation together rather than in three to four waves of three to four fighters per wave flying in formation. The lead wave striking the shields without firing their lasers would have warned the following waves.
For the most part, I concede your points. As a hard core Treker, it pains me to say that the Star Destroyer would win for the simple reason that they would send out wave after wave of TIE fighters that would eventually overwhelme the Enterprise shields leaving them vulnerable . . . Much like army ants taking down a buffalo. I would say the same if it was Enterprise-E . . . UNLESS the Enterprise took the Destroyer out superfast like in the vid. Given Starfleet mentality . . . Not sure Kirk or Picard would make such a drastic move so quickly. As another poster commented, a BSG comparison would be better (and I would give BSG Galctica the same odds as a Destroyer given the onslaught of Vipers).
Hi i Iove a chance to debate my findings. For a scifi nerd there is nothing better. So as a rebuttal to your comment that the tie fighters would surround the enterprise and inflict a death my 1000 cuts. There is one main problem with that theory. Look up the top speed of a Tie fighter and then compare it to the speed of full impulse. 1/4 the speed of light. Us the enterprise's top battle speed. The tie fighters are so much slower, and their weapons range so short. They could not catch the enterprise to be much of a threat
i think it would be way cooler for the Borg to assimilate the Death Star and finish its construction on its way to the next destination....imagine a Darth Vader version of the Borg Queen
You forgot the photon torpedoes, they are antimatter warheads and could inflict heavy damage! But you did the absolute wild card of all, THE TRANSPORTER! Using that to beam over a antimatter weapon was brilliant! If they had beamed it into their engine core, the would have had to go to maximum warp because they would have had a nearly exploding sun on their hands!
Star Wars universe- Has had FTL technology for tens of thousands of years... Star Trek universe- Has had FTL technology 3 magnitudes slower for a thousand years at most... Federation- Alliance of races, none of which have had FTL tech before 0 A.D, controls less than 10% of the Galaxy at their peak, several thousand worlds at most. Galactic Empire- Human centric empire, have had FTL technology for tens of millennia prior to the formation of the Empire, controls the near entirety of the known galaxy, and where planning conquest of other galaxies, contain 1.25 Million full member worlds, tens to hundreds of millions of other planets.
@@Elurin yup true, if you look at the federation in the 30th century, it's a more advanced society than 24th century federation because it can time travel and to alot of other stuff I don't really know right now while in the star wars galaxy you could go find an abandoned capital ship and patch it up and possibly dominate newer capital ships while something in the star trek universe will be obsolete by the next century
Haven't seen any of the more recent SW movies, but I am a fan of both franchises. The real question here is can our species be trusted with weapons of such power? Make no mistake ladies and gentlemen, we stand upon the cusp of such weaponry becoming more science fact than science fiction.
SW ships do have energy based shielding capabilities. If not to deflect/absorb/reduce hits from energy weapons, then what is the purpose of installing shield generators and "raising shields" right before combat?
@@cliffcampbell8827 Simple. To take the enemy's first "punch in mouth," so to speak, without damaging the ship. Imperial ships are designed to use massive firepower to destroy enemy ships, in addition to launching small fighters and bombers to fend off similar attacks. The shields are there to prevent damage if the Destroyer doesn't get in the first shot. Unlike Star Trek shields, Star Wars shields have exposed generators, which evidently are relatively easily disabled. Sensors aboard the Enterprise would detect this flaw, allowing phasers to target them.
Starwars ships have 2 types of sheild passive which is always on and negates physical damage for like debris. An also an active sheild which also blocks phisical and energy weapons because many of starwars energy weapons are hard light weapons. You are also forgetting the hundreds of ion lasers the destroyer has that would negate the startrek ships sheild totally and cripple it.
@@roberteugene7295 I know, right? I was trying to point out that the SW universe ships have shields and are not useless. The other thing I try to get everyone to see is: two completely different science fiction universes can't be combined because the physical properties of each are vastly different.... with the exception of big ships in outer space that is. Beyond that, the similarities between the two get farther and farther apart. Proton torpedoes vs. photon torpedos? Turbo lasers against phasers? Shields, deflector shields, ion cannons, transporters, etc. We simply don't have enough information to compare the two and therefore can't pit them against each other with any degree of accuracy (but the Star Destroyer would totally win).
@@dominicksmeech2994 The ENTERPRISES shields were still UP. /rolleyes WHY would you care about the EMPIRES shields? They don't even have transporter technology.
Not that you know one solitary thing about the Enterprise. Like all Star Wars fans, you assume that it's weak, even though it was _introduced_ as a planet-killer.
@@sicsempertyrannis6916 Evidently, however, it's more than a match for an Imperial Star Destroyer. 1) Star Destroyers can't fight at above light speed, while Federation starships do so routinely. 2) A Star Destroyer's weapons have zero chance of hitting a ship flying at warp speed at ranges typically used by Federation starships, while weapons used by Federation starships are designed to be deployed while the ship maneuvers at warp speeds and at ranges far exceeding those typically used by Imperial Star Destroyers. 3) The shields employed by Imperial Star Destroyers are relatively easily put out of action. They are, according to specs, generated from the sensor array domes atop the bridge. The bottom line is that, if forced into combat with an Imperial Star Destroyer, the Enterprise would be the prohibitive favorite to win such a matchup. For that matter, I'll take the Enterprise's sister ship, the USS Lexington under Commodore Robert Wesley, over a Star Destroyer.
@@sicsempertyrannis6916 Then let me reply in Idazmi7's stead. I've enjoyed both series in the past, but am not a big fan of either one. (My affections lie elsewhere) Trek tech is too advanced, and Star Wars tech is too antiquated, to make this a fair fight. A good outcome for S.W tech is not very plausible, even if it had been allowed to use its capabilities to the fullest in this simulated battle. Now the "Force" on the other hand . . . . that's something that would be timeless and hard to counter, though I have no idea how that could be made to influence a major battle such as this simulation portrays. Maybe we could get a Trek ship to stand still long enough for a death star to take a shot at it? I'm reasonably sure that would destroy it, if we can just convince the nimble little puppy not to move out of the way. :) oooh, I know, let's introduce a Jedi to the bridge of the Trek ship, as a supposed captive, or negotiator perhaps, and hope the captain is weak minded enough for a little mind control.
@@Predator42ID _"Except that's not starfleets style, at all, remember Voyager tried to disable a ship with this tactic not destroy it."_ Voyager blew up a Borg ship using a bomb, knucklehead.
@@Idazmi7 Again by accident, their intention was to disable it for its transwarp systems. Starfleet is well known for using one off tactics that never become doctrine aka standard. Unlike Stargate where the Tau'ri actually do use this tactic whenever ship shields are down.
@@Predator42ID _"Again by accident, their intention was to disable it for its transwarp systems. Starfleet is well known for using one off tactics that never become doctrine aka standard. Unlike Stargate where the Tau'ri actually do use this tactic whenever ship shields are down."_ You don't even realize how much Stargate rips off from Star Trek.
@@Idazmi7 I've watched lore reloaded bub and believe me when i say this. Everyone has ripped something off from someone or inspired. Unlike official stuff from people who accused DS9 of ripping off B5. There was no such thing with stargate namely because of the difference in tech. Plus the number of guest stars from Trek. As Lore Reloaded once said, Trek likes to shove its continuity up its proverbial backside.
Another plus for the Enterprise is the range of the weaponry. It could stay far out of range of the ISD and still hit precision targets, like the deflector array, on the ISD (at least based upon episodes like "The Changeling"). Due to the much faster sub-light speed Enterprise has and her maneuverability, the ISD is out-classed in anything other than a point-blank slug-fest.
Fastest Tie fighter is mach 1.6 Equivilant to F-5 Tiger II jet while a Starfleet Type 6 shuttle on 1/4 impulse is like mach 9000. Plus the ST shuttle hull is made of Tritanium which is 21.1 times stronger than diamond.
You negletcted the speed factor. The Millennium Falcon can go Point Five beyond Light Speed. Or approximately 1.5 times Lightspeed. The Millennium Falcon can also OUTRUN a Star Destroyer. Warp Factor is a Cubed Factor. That means at Warp Factor 1 the Enterprise is operating at Light Speed. At Warp Factor 2 the Enterprise is now 8x Lightspeed. Side note: the Death Star In Doomsday Machine the enterprise sustains 3 planet destroying hits from the Doomsday Machine before the shields buckle, hence the first shot by the Death Star would be manageable, but 2 and 3 would then cause trouble - but again, the speed factor comes into play.
@@Loki1701e Typically, Federation starships fight at warp speed. Phasers and photon torpedoes are capable of being used in such situations, and were during TOS.
Enterprise shields are going down all the time when they fight other ships. By your analogy that would mean the regular ship weapons would easily have enough power to destroy a whole planet, not just wipe the surface clean (which a Star Destroyer could do as well). Then why did Xindi or Romulans, for example, need to build very special weapons to destroy planets? They could have just sent a few regular run of the mill ships do the job with their normal weapons. In reality if Death Star's main weapon hit Enterprise, it would be bye bye. Not that they would obviously ever hit. Enterprise could probably destroy Death Star no problem.
_"Am I wrong but aren't Star Fleet Vessels only to disable the opposing vessels or if that is not possible, they retreat?"_ Wow, you don't watch Star Trek.
I like the use of audio track clips from the original show- THANKS FOR: -Not using robot voices -Making something 1,000,000,000,000x better than Kurtzman’s ‘Star Trek’ -The explanation segment was nice
I do agree with this but come on let’s be seriously real EVEN Voyager hell the Defiant could take out the star destroyer with ease that it wouldn’t even have a chance in hell
Also the star destroyer has both of its shield generators on top of the command module making them an easy target Same with their main reactor its in a sphere underneath the ship making it vulnerable to attack and they don't know how to aim
Star Trek has different levels of faster than light speed travel e.g. warp 9, warp 8, warp 7, etc. however Star Wars' hyperdrive only has 1 speed I assume? Is this correct?
ok the main difference is that Warp drive and Hyper drive is : warp is just going from point A-B really fast up to 500 time the speed of light for the TOS Enterprise. Hyperdrive is potently millions of times the speed of light, but the the "Hyperspace" and real space need to mapped and calculated. But the battle speed of the SD is only 700 mph.
The Star Destroyer would not stop firing and the TIE fighters should have split and lit up the Enterprise from all angles. Phasers might be useful but particle screens would render torpedoes useless until they were put down by ionized ... you know what, I'm not going to nitpick a Trek fanboy fapping. Learn the material.
Another warsie angry that their favorite franchise gets shredded in an all out war. Ion weapons don't do anything to federation ships, in fact, later episodes of tng found a way to render them useless. Plus, a star destroyers firing range is pathetic compared to any federation ship, don't believe me, look it up. Lastly, have you seen the shields on any star wars ship? It's probably some of the most useless shielding in all of sci fi, where any physical objects can go straight through them. That means one photon torpedo could turn the entire imperial armada into slag
Photon torpedo spread set to proximity detonation. Phasers set to maximum dispersal. TIES neutralized. The SD also lacks direct-fire capability, something the Enterprise has. Thus, the Enterprise can fire and maneuver without losing point of aim. A SD cannot achieve that kind of accuracy, as their guns are aimed more or less manually.
@@jfangm if ask me phases should literally cut right through star destoyer and photos should just riped massive holes into it or even broken it in half tho maybe enterprise was running that lower power output after warping in like in ST bridge Commander man amount of times I accidentally forgot to lower the power levels on sovereign to balance it literally killed myself that way warped right into supernova cloud forgetting power down weapons and chanel it to shield lol
I`d say that an Imperial Star Destroyer would have that outcome. A Victory or a Super no. Victory as they had armaments closer together and a Super had more to support each other. Sure the shield flaw was still there, you could drive an A wing through it. I never understood why they didn't just have a variety of smaller ships rather than scores of ISDs.
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. Video creator, I have a question for you. On the left side of the audio soundtrack, do you have The Fly pleading for help from the movie "The Fly" ? I'll take my answer offline, thank you. .
Interesting, but I'd really like to see a single ISD with the Empire's best crew go up against Star Trek's planet killer from TOS. One warship, which is not a science vessel, against a largely invulnerable doomsday device. I'd also like to see a Death Star face off against V-GER.
My first reaction too. However the fact that someone even attempts this is amazing, since we have NO idea how these would fare against eachother. I must admit though that the ISD was BADLY misrepresented
nah this is pretty much what would happen trek in light years more advanced the star wars an isd doesn't stand a chance against anything from tos to tng
It's a shame that it's so obvious your biased. You don't even let the destroyer do anything. The fighters just fly into the shield and die. The main ship doesn't shoot till how many shots it takes? does it even shoot? I wish I watched this yesterday. It was april fools day. More fitting that day.
Not as if they can do anything in the first place. The enterprise can just stay out of range and fire weapons which are magnitudes more powerful than star wars weapons and take them out.
Very true the Enterprise has an 18 to 1 weapons range advantage, they can just stay out of weapons range and fire from a safe distance.... But just doing that would have made for a really boring video.lol
LOL! And for those who are all salty about it...they were nice enough not use use later tech available, such as.... The *Genesis Torpedo* Which could probably take out a Star Destroyer(or pretty much any ship/mobile base the Empire has-including a Death Star) before it even came within it's weapons range.
Good video and analysis. Here are a few monor nitpicks Enterprise, the classic TOS version, is about 289m, the Discoprise version in that video is more like 500m, an ISD is 1600m, the ISD should be about 3.3-6 times as long as Enterprise not the about 20 times as long it seemed to be in the video relitive speeds, Enterprise was way too slow, it should be hundreds of times as fast as an ISD at sublight speeds despite it being utterly pointless the ISD should have kept shooting when it could bring guns to bear mostly I agree with your assessment of the battle but Pike or Kirk commanding Enterprise would not beam a torpedo on board the crippled destroyer without giving them a chance to surender, by that point the Destroyers engines and sheilds were disabled, the ISD posed absolutely no threat (rather than no significant threat at the start of the video), Enterprise could just go a few light seconds (8 seconds at full impulse) out where they would have minutes to dodge if the ISD fired again and Kirk would try to negotiate a surender before killing them in a first contact situation unless Enterprise was seriously threatened which it was not.
Beaming weapons aboard enemy ships is a Star-gate SG1 maneuver lol and is the only show to do that as far as I know. I've seen all treks working on viewing Discovery.
@@spockospockon6519 The logical reason beaming weapons is not often done in Trek (there was an episode of Enterprise where they beamed an explosive device onto a repair station that abducts members of the crew of ships it repairs) is that if the shields are down firing a torpedo would be almost as effective as beaming it, and if the shields are up you cannot beam through shields. Also beaming it is less spectacular than launching it. Basicly if you can beam a torpedo on an enemy ship you may as well just fire it.
Remember, TOS ships maneuver like airliners. That may be "fast" but they are always graceful as they maneuver (which actually limits how fast they appear to be moving). The one criticism I have of the Fed ship is it zipping around like a fighter plane. Sisko's Pimp Hand (aka the _Defiant_ ) flies like that, but Connies don't. Not with those spindly pylons, they don't! Well I have a second criticism, that being the scaling, but other people have mentioned it.
In this circumstances the enterprise might win, but those two franchises are completely different and you can't really compare those. Because the technology of each franchise has been made for other situations. With Canon and legends you have so much information about a ship in Star Wars that you don't even know how to balance this those two universes. I don't know much about Star Trek, but what I know is, that it is hard to feature two of the most well known vehicle of space battles even that you aren't more for Star Wars or more for Star Trek. Everybody has a franchise which he loves more and likes this we are rating those so everybody should just build his own opinion of how the battle would end.
I think it would be better to pit one federation ship against another, same goes for klingon ships or rom's or whoever (same time frame, i.e. enterprise against reliant). Better yet, "this" faction against "that" empire (federation vs. klings or whoever) in a one on one frigate vs. frigate, battlecruiser vs battlecruiser and so on. No tech or natural space anomaly limitations (cloaking, rays, planetary magnetic fields, nebulas, etc.). If only someone, some software company, a game designer and programmers would make such a product WITH the highest degree paid to accuracy of official canon. My favorite section is the movie ships against movie ships (a lot of ships would have to be created for the klingons, romulans and "other" races). Television series ships against television series ships (a lot of material has already been provided by the next generation).
Hey man. Appreciated your video. Sure, it's rough around the edges, but it does the job overall, and it's a decent effort that must have taken you quite some time. Now, given the way you thought out the combat, there's actually no question whatsoever regarding the winner. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the matchup was a wrong pick, for this very reason. The Enterprise has the very best crew Starfleet can offer, is the main battle ship of the fleet, under the guise of the "heavy cruiser" category... And is basically a jack of all trade, with an emphasis on long exploration missions. Actually, the Enterprise herself is the flagship of the Federation, and the hero ship of the original series. Suffice to say, it is a ship designed to last, a ship designed to win. What is the Imperial Star Destroyer? It is the main Star cruiser used by the Empire, the backbone of the fleet, a military workhorse. The ISD is designed to perform all sorts of military missions for the Empire, in the Empire, against rebellions and criminals, either alone with support ships, or in a full battle group. It is not made to be all alone, or engaged with unknown enemies. Its emphasis is on holding the battle line and bombarding the enemy with broadsides of artillery. Oh, and it has a standard imperial crew, which aren't any smarter than regular navy guys. They won't pose any threat to Kirk and his crew any time soon. Finally, let's not forget the ISD is primarily a villain ship, in a manichean universe. It is designed to fail, designed to lose, while still remaining visually impressive and/or intimidating. Common sense, and a quick observation of the matchup should be more than enough to see the real issue here. No analysis of the tech required.
@@thegbgamer3072 I suppose. But, in reality, I can't imagine Captain Kirk ordering such an action unless the ship's weapons were disabled and there were no other way. 😉
The answer is and was simple. Federation ships have "Stand Off" capabilities. Star Wars you had to physically see your target and BE in RANGE. The last war we saw "Broadside" or "In range" radar shooting was WW2.
As soon as the enterprise got in range of the star destroyers weapons it would be obliterated by the octouple turbolasers alone plus all the other lasers scattered all over its hull.
The speed of the turbolasers shots would give the Enterprise time to evade. And it would just sit outside the Star Destroyers firing range, and pepper it with photon torpedos, which pack a punch equal to 43 megatons (one kilo of antimatter). AND targetting vital systems, not just firing at the silhouette.
@@r64live2 What Star Wars fans are commonly missing is several advantages that can't be downplayed. 1) The Enterprise is many times more maneuverable and many times faster than the Imperial Star Destroyer due to the warp drive. This unfamiliar speed and maneuverability would have made the Enterprise a nearly impossible target for the targeting system of the imperial ship. This would have rendered weapons like the ion cannon useless. 2) As a primarily science and discovery vessel, the powerful sensors on the Enterprise would have given her Captain (one James T. Kirk) detailed information on vital systems of the Imperial ship in a matter of seconds. 3) The Enterprise would have maneuvered to astern of the Star Destroyer, where the larger (but less maneuverable) ship could bring no weapons to bear on the Enterprise. This is where the Enterprise uses a spread of phasers to neutralize the weak shields, followed by a spread of photon torpedoes. This would have rendered the Star Destroyer a shattered wreck.
Even though the star destroyer has shear firepower ( if they uses true lasers,They will not even scratch the Enterprise ) They will still defeated because of the long range and it’s accuracy.
The scales are wrong, you miss the factor that the star destroyer has powerful shields too and proton guided missels and the TIE fighters dont go together always, so the tractor beam wouldnt destroy them easily, and the star destroyer would be always firing... So i only can say that you should prepare better the information before doing such comparison. In conclusion, this is the typical star trek fan.
@@SolventtT well I did the math for the video what if the Empire invaded the alpha quadrant .. And that was 2 federaton ships and 3 Klingon war birds vs 27 star destroyers 1 super star destroyer and the E6 death star. That was an even match up.
Here's why the arguments he posed are really up in the air, first, there is documented accounts of star destroyers tanking ships coming out of hyperspace without a scratch, second, the turbo lasers on a star destroyer have been shown to tear Mon Calla cruisers to space dust in minutes and finally the tactical skills of said crew fall on the competence of the captain. The opening volley from the turbo lasers would've destroyed the enterprise completely, not to mention tie pilots wouldn't be that stupid as shown, and the M.F. had plot armor, there are a huge number of other variables not taken into account, like the side laser cannons, the ion cannons, the ridiculous power of the shields, tie interceptors, tie bombers, the cannons actually firing, the fact that star destroyers are always within a short hyperspace jump from one another, a small fleet of star destroyers can glass a planet in minutes. If you use only footage from the movies, then you should wait until after you dig deeper into the actual stats and accounts of non plot armored vehicles and characters, and then you'll find that federation Starships wouldn't stand a chance alone against a star destroyer
From what i have seen star destroyer shields do not function. It cannot tank a ship comming from hyper space as shown in the last jedi. The weapons systems have to be manually targeted and also the shots tar el very slowly and don't have much range. It can easily be proven that the resistance cruiser was able to stay out of effective weapons range of the star destroyers as shown in the last jedi. Then star trek ships have actual functional shields, the weapons aiming system is computerised and extremely accurate. The phasers travel at the speed of light and have a range of thousands of kilometres. Also laser weapons are considered primitive in star trek universe and do not have any effect on shields. A single quantum torpedo from the enterprise e can rip apart a star destroyers .
@@RameezRazaRiaz99 but you're sources are the movies, you *cannot* look to the movies for those sorts of statistics, because they're heavily plot armored to the good guys. If you want actually realistic results, you need to look beyond canon to the expanded universe also known as Legends, that's where star destroyers are shown in their true light, a turbo laser battery actually has an effective range of 10 light minutes
@@RameezRazaRiaz99 and maybe you should watch an unbiased channel like Ekharts ladder or generation tech, where they actually give you sources and facts on why any ship wins a given battle, like the enterprise D vs an imperial 2 star destroyer, the star destroyer wins 7.5 times out of ten because it's a dedicated warship
@@fishernatethespaceman5015 but they only mostly make star wars videos rarely they make star trek videos let alone other ships from trek universe other than Enterprise.
There's also the question of whether SD shields would even WORK against phasers, since they don't even work against ion-cannons. Ship-phasers use a subspace carrier-beam that allows the beam to move tens of thousands of times lightspeed, while SD ships use some type of magnetic shield that only affects normal matter and energy, it can't bend space (or else they'd use it for propulsion). So the phasers would shoot right through, as would photon torpedoes which have their own shield-generators.
You know they wanted to capture the Falcon during most chases and sometimes only wanted them to escape so they could be followed? Star Destroyer would fire Ion cannons first at an unknown ship so no shields and no power. Also powerful tractor beams to hold the target in place.
The Enterprise has survived weapons similiar to ion cannons in TAS. All it did was knock out warp drive and transporter functions for a brief moment. A Star destroyer doesn't have strong enough tractor beams to take in a ship traveling 1/4th light speed and can remodulate it's shields to escape from it (as shown in TNG). Also, we've seen Federation ships stay close to the event horizon of a black hole or other massive objects with enough gravitational forces to destroy a ship, so a tractor beam won't do anything.
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Next thing you'll tell me is that an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops can be beaten by stone-aged teddy-bears.
OK that's my new favorite comment
So underrated
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Ummm.... *Hides the "Return of the Jedi" films*
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the range of Enterprise weapons is tens of thousands of kilometers. granted, on tv shows the space battles tend to show both ships on screen at the same time, so the viewer can see the ships shooting each other.
canon ranges for federation phasers is 300,000 to 400,000 kilometres with the star destroyer being 5000 kilometres
The trouble with any kind of energy weapons is that they need a lot of pseudoscience gobbledegook to make them hit anything able to go faster than light. Which means basically ANY ship in most sci-fi shows.
Energy beams being very, very thin in comparison to any kind of physical object require a fairly long time of contact to deliver their energy to even begin to cause damage.
However, dispersion of energy beams is a square root of distance so at 300k to 400k kilometers distance even a terrawatt output would be barely a candle flame.
This is compounded that in both scifi universes these beams last for such short times. Meaning that anything able to fly at FTL speeds AND maneuver at the same time can almost immediately break contact with the energy beams. Meaning the damage that already is attenuated due to distance is again reduced due to an even shorter contact.
So, basically the idea of energy weapons of any kind beyond even relatively measly short distances of a few ten thousand kilometers is ridiculously dumb.
So basically both universes handwaved away the problems of both distance and energy output.
First, I agree with most on here that the scaling is off, however, we are looking at this from two technological standpoints. Tactically, the Enterprise is superior and far more maneuverable on it's impulse drive than the Star Destroyer. The Star Destroyer does have powerful weapons, but their target tracking ability is far to slow. The Enterprise is not a science vessel, it's a multi-purpose cruiser with an emphasis on combat, originally designed to combat the Klingon's D7 and be self sustaining for long periods of time. While most ST fans, including myself, enjoy seeing Star Trek beat the crap out of Star Wars, it's not realistic nor is it fair comparison of the two sci-fi universes. A more fair comparison might be made between Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars. The Cylons verses the Deathstar and or Galactica verses a Star Destroyer.
Want it more lopsided, have the Enterprise D take on a Star Destroyer or Battlestar Galactica themselves, we're looking at what, 2 or 3 photon torpedoes to rip them apart while nukes do nothing to their shields?
@@andyt2k Well if you want to take them from the same time period, Star Wars has Star Destroyers when Star Trek are cavemen at best, possibly before man even evolves on Earth. SW is taking place in our distant past while ST is in our future so the "Lasers, ha ha". line from next gen (that all the ST guys love to quote ) is way out of place in a comparison with SW as by the time the Federation is formed SW warships should have weapons that make the Star Killer gun look weak.
@@jprp999 or star war galaxy was destroyed because it cant support a cilivization that advance
Don't star trek fight at faster than light speed? I know they do in SFB. When SW goes into hyperspace I don't think I can do anything except go fast.
Impulse Engines Are also fast AF
The Star Destroyer should have used Ludicrous Speed.
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@@22steve5150 lol
What is ludicrous speed guy
@@marvelperry3350 Watch Spaceballs.
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I would beam a photon torpedo right to their bridge.
Dude ..... spoiler
Why doesn't the star destroyer shoot continuously? Normally it would have fired barrage after barrage but ok.
Yes but without shields the destroyer could be destroyed by torpedoes
If shield were able to transport through I'd simply order tactical to beam 2 photon torpedoes into the isds engine room and bridge. If that does not disable or destroy enough for to escape beam one inside its main reactor
Using standard Federation tactics, the Enterprise wouldn't have been fighting under impulse power, using warp drive instead. This speed would have made the Enterprise a very difficult, if not impossible, target during such a battle. In fact, seeing such capability would likely cause an Imperial warship to withdraw from the battle to inform other destroyers of the new threat.
@@roberteugene7295 I know that federation ships can fire their weapons while traveling at warp speeds, but can they hit targets NOT traveling at or close to those same speeds?
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Indeed, they can. The target tracking system is extremely sophisticated, and phasers (particularly well adapted to firing while at warp speed) are quite accurate. They "lock" on the target by way of the computerized targeting system, and this ensures accuracy at warp speeds.
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I like how you used the transporter tech. Most people that compare the two universes outright ignore that tech, as they either dont consider its offensive capabilities, or think it would just be a "I win button", which they dont like.
And before people say "you cant beam through shields", actually, you can. In universe, the various factions had to alter their shields to account for transporters being able to be used as offensive weapons. In SW they have never encountered this tech, so they wouldnt have adapted to it. So any ST ship that engages in combat with any SW ship can just beam a photon, quantum, tricobalt, or some other explosive into the reactor and win. Without ever needing to drop the ships shields.
Against Kirk’s Enterprise, with the greatest bridge crew in Starfleet history? The Empire wouldn’t stand a chance. Chekhov and Sulu had a tactical field day.
Against Thrawn’s crew and the ISD Chimaera? Now THAT would be a party worth going to!
Kirk would still win.
Janeway would ram the Star Destroyer.
Picard and Thrawn wouldn’t fight. They would be having tea and discussing history and art.
This is no joke I just finished My Thrawn Vs Kirk video Yesterday. It took me 6 weeks and in about 28 hourse you are the second person who have brought up that idea here is the link if you're interested th-cam.com/video/bvQzpqCfQWE/w-d-xo.html
Thrawn would easily win
Naviwinn in a discussion about art? Absolutely. Against Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov? Against the USS Enterprise’s phaser banks, shields, and photon torpedoes? NOT. Kirk would be banging Arihnda Pryce on Thrawn’s desk in no time.
@@AgentM79 I would like to disagree, in @Ken Lewis's Thrawn Vs Kirk video, I do believe he massively underplayde both commanders tactics. While it would be a extremely hard battle for Thrawn to win, and he would see that, I believe he would find a way to eliminate their enemy's greatest strength. Speed. I'm not gonna go into tactics now, but it is well possible. Easy pickings from there.
Naviwinn For certain, it would be a battle for the ages! Kirk’s ship is superior, and his bridge crew is superior. Not that Gilad Pelleon and Eli Vanto aren’t formidable. But, they are facing off against Kirk, Spock, and Scotty. Rewatch “Balance of Terror”to get a better feel for Kirk, and “Doomsday Machine” to see how seamlessly Kirk’s crew operates.
I am a big Thrawn fan as well. I would enjoy his unconventional tactics against Kirk, and his analysis of Kirk’s decisions. But when you fight Kirk, you fight his crew as well.
Awesome video
In the Star Trek universe, lasers are considered primitive weapons. They're not even capable of penetrating weak shields. So the Enterprise would be pretty much immune to a Star Destroyer's turbolasers.
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Turbo lasers are plasma weapons not standard lasers. Trek still wins for a lot of reasons of course but this is not one of them.
I would agree. If this was the Enterprise with Captain Kirk, the Enterprise D with Picard or Voyager with Janeway, would have an even easier time.
Or don't forget the Defiant with Sisko
The sovereign class ship that picard commands after the galaxy ship is destroyed would whoop the piss out of a star destroyer. Voyager intrepid class would have a hard time only because its not really a battleship. its more like a destroyer, so it may be faster, but it cant take a beating as much as the galaxy and sovereign class can
Janeway would fire more torpedoes than what Voyager's capacity is though, LOL!
Janeway is Op. She cheats on levels that Star Wars doesn't even think on. Even if she loses then a future version of her will just show up and cheat even harder. Including Janeway in the fight just isn't fair. She cheats harder than the Emperor does.
Janeway will fire tricobalt devices.
The Enterprise is scaled far too small against the star destroyer which is about 1600 meters long. The Enterprise from TOS was at least about 1/6 of the length of a standard star destroyer. It's tiny in comparison in this vid.
Very Few Comparison Videos of Star Trek vs Star Wars are REASONABLY Comparisons base upon the "Science" of the Universes.
Star Trek Wins 99.999993% of the "Time".....
Let's be Honest.
#1- Star Trek: Impulse Drive imparts Velocities of 75% of Light Speed vs Star Wars .0003% of Light Speed for Sub-Light Velocities.
#2- Weapons Output is LAUGHABLE in Star Trek's Favor.....
#3- Shields? Even in the TOS Era, "Lasers" are a JOKE!!! OK, "Turbo" Lasers aren't a Joke, but they are still, ummm, not SUFFICIENT.....
#4- Sensor Capabilities...... GAME OVER.
Star Wars uses fusion as its primary power. (Kardashev scale level 1) Star Trek uses anti-matter. (Kardashev scale level 2) The only advantage star wars has is hyperdrive is crazy faster than warp.
@@tonybuck5863 Faster than warp.... You do know that when we talk about warp speed, we're talking about 1000 times the speed of light..... What SW ship has ever gone that fast????
The Empire could call itself a galactic because it controlled most of a galaxy and the federation controls a large and I mean a large chunk of two quadrants
The Galileo could take down a star destroyer.
Lol...Star Wars fans are going to be all kind of pissed off with you.
Cause you're right.
You are so correct, although if you want a good laugh, I did a part 2 of this video. Kirk vs Thrawn. As soon as comic con is a thang again. they will come for me.
I swear finally someone says it. The Enterprise is so much faster and more manueverable than a ISD, that even if you gave them equal weapons the ISD would never be able to bring them to bear.
Massive fan of both franchises, both were hugely influencial to me in my formative years and beyond Vader is probably the greatest Shakespearean villain that Shakespeare never wrote and I love him!
I think this fight is summed up best by Jack O'niel from Stargate: it's the difference between a weapon of terror and an instrument of combat (not strictly what a Constitution class is, I know but the shoe fits).
Big love to all my fellow nerds! Live long and prosper while the force is with you guys!
Yeah, the Federation doesn't enjoy war.
So when they do make weapons and actual warships, they're just devastatingly effective. They just want the war over quickly so they can go back to studying weird alien bugs and quasars.
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@@xheralt dude that is so fantastic I am making a series of these Star Wars v Star Trek I promise I will use that line.
@@tomasistudios2618 The Thirty Second Bomb was created by Robert Heinlein in the original novel of _Starship Troopers._ The Lying Thirty Second Bomb was created about, well, thirty seconds later by fans of RAH. ;)
@@xheralt crap you're right, and I have read that book and I totally missed the reference.
@Jamie Chesney So video is kinda old so I did a newer version of it with better animation and more of a story and a more satisfying explanation.
1. Engine power is a cubic function and shield area is a square function.
2. The ISD is 5 times the length of the 1701. And the wedge shape is more substantial, so I'd say it's about 200+ times as massive as the Enterprise.
3. Sublight speeds in SW and Trek are roughly comparable.
4. While sublight drives do not provide most of the power for either ship, they do provide a significant percentage. Both ships use fusion drives.
5. Based on scaling, the ion engines for the ISD should be at least 100x as powerful as those on the Enterprise.
6. The Enterprise warp drive uses an anti-matter annihilation process. The ISD uses a "hypermatter" annihilation process. Tomato, tomahto. Considering SW FTL speeds are much faster, there's no plausible rationale for arguing that Trek engines are more powerful. So the ISD's total "energy budget" is more than 100x that of the Enterprise, at least.
7. The primary heavy turbolaser batteries on the ISD are said to be capable of channeling a significant portion of total ship power. Let's assume the shielding is also proportional to the energy budget.
8. Based on the energy budget, both the turbolasers and the shields on the ISD should be significantly stronger than their counterparts on the 1701.
9. Also, each ISD carries a squadron of TIE bombers, which carry proton torpedoes and concussion missiles, and the TIEs wouldn't stupidly run into the 1701's shields and crash.
10. Aside from being completely wrong from a physics and engineering standpoint, good work on the animation. ;p
Cool, now prove everything you just stated using on screen or canon instead of giving arbitrary numbers.
Star Trek wins. More agile, faster and 360 degree weaponry. All you would have to do is get behind and also under. Coming from a 40K fan
ship scales are WAAAAAAAY wrong.
Never mind that the ace in the trek-universe pocket is the ability to maneuver, track and engage targets at FTL speeds (while in warp) and from extreme distances.
@tinwoods sure but in the depicted scenario with them less than a kilometer apart the enterprise being half its actual size does make a difference
No the scales are perfectly accurate.
@@Loki1701e the one should only be only one fith the size of the other but the enterprise is (if I see this correctly) a hundred meters long, MAX (rather than the 289 Meters this version should be). That´s not only important for target profile but the speed as seen on screen and the Maneuverability changes drastically.
@@iankphone They cannot actually fire at FTL... when they say warp power in battle they mean weapons, shields and impulse engines take power from the antimatter reaction chamber, not the Impulse(fusion)reactor. We´ve never seen any ship in star trek outside the VERY controversial JJverse Dreadnought fire at warp and there is no evidence to claim that this is common among starships. especially since getting to warp seems to be the final escape during star trek battles
Another advantage the Enterprise has is range and accuracy. In a tos episode the Enterprise shoots and hits a one meter long target at 90 thousand kilometers. Stardestroyers of the FO are shown to have a range limit of a few thousand kilometers. Assuming Imperial SDs are equal to FO SDs.
I don't think anybody knows the true maximum effective weapon ranges of either universe or the extent of their total is destructive capabilities. According to "official SW canon," a S.D. has turbo and heavy turbo lasers as well as ion cannons (maybe not as powerful as the Hoth one was, but still..) I think some other weapon types also but not sure.
@@cliffcampbell8827 so what exactly are you trying to say?
@@homelessend8557 Trying to compare the capabilities of the two ships is extremely difficult, if not impossible.
One thing that always seems to get overlooked when comparing the ships in Star Trek to those in Star Wars...Star Trek ships can fire weapons while at warp speed. The ships in Star Wars have to drop out of hyperspace before they can even engage in a fight.
I don't think it likely a ship from Star Wars would even hit one of the ships from Star Trek.
interdictor cruiser+tractor beams want to have a word with u
@@arencorparencorp2189 Considered stopping to have that chat...but I was at Warp 6, so I only had time to blow up the Imperial ship as I shot on by! ;-)
@@mirozen_ maybe ur torp just scratches the isd shields, we dont know, if we take the legends turbolaser yield the isd shield would hold the enterprise for a VEEERY long time, sure it will end losing as it wont hit the enterprise, but it will just retreat at the end, then bring interdictor cruiser and ur, warp 6 changes to warp 0, and ur movement changes to 0 thx to tractor beams and ofc they can hit these, then blow it to pieces, granted the sw legends yield, also shotting from warp out of war was NEVER seen on movies, ik ik, we'r taking series, ok, use theseparatist malevolence, bye enterprise dodge that xd, even better, star wars eternal fleet, enterprise cant dodge em all bcz the entire space will be covered by ships, it can be biased both ways, thats what i mean, the isd might be a pile of useless crap and the death star get instakilled by quantum torps, or it might not scratch the xwing shields and get instakilled by a turbolaser
@@arencorparencorp2189 LOL! It's fun to be a fan of both franchises! Would the "Interdictor" affect Warp drive? Interesting! :-)
The raw POWER of the Star Wars ships is truly incredible, but I've always looked at the technology posited in Star Trek as being just the thing to provide for easy slagging of the Empire fleet if ever pitted against each other. The technology Roddenberry imagined for his vision of the future (things like transporters, warp drive, quantum torpedoes, cloaking, deflector shields, phasers - which can operate while at warp speed) are so foreign and incompatible with the technology of Lucas's vision (hyperdrive "jump" travel, light speed laser based weapons, shields against laser weapons) that when logically pitted against each other the Star Wars ships can neither attack nor defend against a ship moving at warp speed.
For an "instantaneous kill" just beam a quantum torpedo the Imperial ships engine room. Game over. Federation ships could even be cloaked (why worry about treaties against cloaking when fighting Imperials)
Of course, this all assumes that the Star Trek ships fight intelligently and make use of their advantages. Not a given in a SciFi franchise! (I still cringe when my wife is watching "The Flash" and he constantly finds himself in dire straights fighting enemies he should easily be able to take out. Give me the powers of "The Flash" and a ball peen hammer. Zoom! Bop! Game over. Episode Done. Not the way to make entertaining TV, but if the Flash were smart any fight would be over in under a second - literally.)
I wouldn't be surprised if the first move of a Federation ship meeting an Imperial Star Destroyer would be to open hailing frequencies...as the first volley of fire from the Imperial ship obliterates their un-shielded motionless buttocks!
Empire 1. Federation Zip!
Used intelligently I think Federation ships would never lose against Imperial ships...but are they really gonna fight intelligently? :-)
@@mirozen_ actually hyperspace is WAY faster than warp drives, star wars ships r capable of crossing the galaxy and even venturing outside to satellite galaxies, star trek ships will take centurys to cross the galaxy (look at voyager) while star wars ships, coruscant is at the center of the galaxy and geonosis at the outher rim, and a fighter takes what, 1h to do that travel? hyperspace is EXTREMELY fast compared to warp drives, that being said the empire will be surprised, at first by transporters, granted the fed ships can pen the shields, about cloaking, star wars also has that, not that common but, also, and the tracking torps of star wars r supposed to, once locked not get fooled by the cloak, so... thats 1, also interdictor fields might be used to inmobilize, thats why the interdictor 2.0 was called, inmobilicer, then the ion cannons might wreck the enterprise, or maybe they wont scratch the enterprise paint, what will certainly win is darth vader, he can just choke the entire crew and be done, he did that from another star system so.... we can go crazy of both universes, then vs vader we use q, and vs q we use vitiate or zildrog in star wars... so yea both have heap of junk ships and universe killing powers xd
No contest. Enterprise wins everytime. A Rebel fighter took out the deflector shields on a super star destroyer. One torpedo would do the same, then transport a torpedo into their engine room.
Star Wars super fans would point to the non-canon, non-Disney/Lucas owned "manuals" that made up INSANE power ratings for all Star Wars weapons, which did not fit LITERALLY anything we've ever seen in movies or TV in the last 40 years. So, the analysis here is sound, that the Enterprise would win. In fact, the Enterprises effective range is SOOOOOO much farther than the Star Destroyer's, that the SD wouldn't even know what is shooting at them.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, to be fair I did make a Thrawn vs Kirk video just to give the SD the best possible chance, but people still think I got it wrong. Watcha gunna do?
Thank you. So many assume Star Destroyers weapons are staggeringly powerful, despite what we've seen in the movies.
Indeed. Trek actually has canonical data supporting gigaton and teraton level firepower... Star Wars doesn't (except maybe the death star main laser, but that doesn't exactly count).
Oh and Star Trek actually has planet busting TORPEDOES.
When you contrast the fact that Star Wars needs a Death Star (the size of a small moon) to destroy a planet, vs Star Trek that needs a puny torpedo casing the size of 2 meters... you start noticing that Trek can do the same with much less (aka, technical efficiency).
Sure, Star Wars has Hyperdrive which is definitely faster than what we saw of regular Warp drive... however, Warp 9.9 = 21 473 times the speed of light (USS Prometheus was travelling at that speed, which means that about 4 years after Voyager launched, SF effectively managed to increase their Warp capabilities from 9.75 to 9.9 on a state of the art ship like USS Prometheus = Voy was never SEEN using 9.975 as that was an error and the dialogue doesn't support it because at that speed, Voyager would have been able to come back home in 7 days with that speed. The dialogue DOES support 9.75 though - this also means that the majority of the fleet would likely be able to travel at Warp 9.9 by the time or shortly after Voyager came back home).
Also, there's Quantum Slipstream v1 (300 Ly's per hour) and v2 (10 000 Ly's per minute - this one even beats out the Hyperdrive from Star Wars).
Transwarp too - but Starfleet doesn't officially use that (even though the Federation technological evolution SHOULD have given them TW capabilities by late 23rd century).
Oh and Voyager also (technically) brought back the technology for using Coaxial Warp drive which actually worked on a shuttle (shame we never saw it in action after that 1 episode though - but that would have effectively ended the show - and it was never mentioned after that episode... but Slipstream still was mentioned).
I'm more of a ST fan than a SW fan, however I have to point out that Star Destroyers weapons ARE staggeringly powerful compared to the norm for weapons in ST. You see everyone (including the person who made this video) assumes they are weak because we only see the fast firing anti-fighter turrets in action. The only time you ever see a SD firing it's main weapons are in the opening scene where they disable Leia's ship and in Empire when they use them to blow up asteroids. For reference the main cannons on a SD are about equivalent to a nuclear warhead. In addition to that they also have Ion cannons which (IIRC) we never even see them use as they are an anti-ship weapon not an anti-fighter weapon and we never see an SD take on another ship (The Falcon is barely bigger than a Runabout), one Ion blast would be enough to one shot the shields on a Constitution class.
@@llynellyn
But none of those cases do you see serious firepower in the star Destroyers. The shot on Liea’s ship does negligence damage. A shot from a SD caused a blast similar to a hand phaser. sT phasers from a big ship would burn away most of Leia’s ship. Same when you see blasts on the ground near folks, or hitting fighters. Nothing like a nuclear bomb level blast. More like air to air missle blasts.
@@deksroning125 Well the new Discovery sporedrive is faster than any hyperdrive or warpdrive. It's pretty much instant teleportation.
@@KellyStarks It was actually using ion cannons to knock out the ship without damaging it. Threepio even pointed it out when he saw the ship from the escape pod
My only question is "Do you have the size perspective right?"
Why does the star destroyer scene look like it has a lower frame rate?? What's your animation program?
Spot on. Great use of low graphics to illustrate the capabilities of the enterprise and the short comings of the Destroyer. Many fail to take tactical use of the ship into account when making VS videos. I'm sure your video took some effort to make and I appreciate it. Going to show to my son.
Wow thanks
Nobody mentions the fact that St universe has cloaking devices, transporters, oh and anybody mentioning the force.
I would put the Q continuum up against the whole jedi and sith and they could beat them all with one click of a finger.
ST universe is massively overpowered compared to rusty SW tech.
Ok, I wanna see how the Space Battleship Yamato with it's wave motion gun would do against an Imperial Star Destroyer. You know you wanna see it....
We do, we do 🥰
Obviously a Star Trekkie made this.
@Matt Vanderford I mean considering what he said afterwards, yeah, its obvious, seeing what he said about the scenes in Empire.
1. The ISD didn't Destroy the Falcon because they didn't want to destroy it, they wanted to disable it so they could capture the crew.
2. The reason why the ISD was damaged in the Asteroid Field was because they had been in that Asteroid Field for hours, which means that the Shields of the ISD had been worn down exponentially
I am a trekki who would have thought that the star destroyes would win.
I am actually both a Star trek and Star Wars Fan
It's alright we still outnumber them 10 to 1 so well just have 9 more pull up
When has a Star Destroyer ever stopped firing on an enemy ship?
When has Kirk's Enterprise ever willingly fought at sublight speed?
When its tracking and targeting systems can't draw a bead on the target.
Good question that I've got no idea the creator of this pice of shit forgot!!
Robert Eugene this is a KDY Imperial-class Star Destroyer...they will always shoot even when they can’t draw a bead on them
@@tsunami729
_"this is a KDY Imperial-class Star Destroyer...they will always shoot even when they can’t draw a bead on them"_
Wasteful.
Forgetting that Star Destroyer have shields which will prevent the transporter trick, tie bombers, and even can have missile boats, which could destroy poor Enterprise after turbolaser turrets take care of it's shield. But of course Enterprise would just fly away, mr. Spock would analyze SD construction, find out where are the shield generators are and then the plan could work. Though Enterprise crew are not cold blooded killers and just would not do such a thing. They would negotiate the hell out of them)
thank you so much for this
You're very welcome!
@@tomasistudios2618 Why didn’t you bring up the fact that star trek ships perform battle tactics and maneuver at relativistic speeds faster than light speeds it seems like you’re gonna have to pull out that Trump card for people to understand I don’t think they get science but then again that Star Wars fans and believe in space wizards
Lol..... "were the pilots texting?". Yeah, that's funny... 😁 😂 😂 😂.
It would not even be this hard. But, there is an error. The Enterprise is scaled too small compared the Star Destroyer.
Yeah scale is a bit off, it is much larger at roughly 5 1/2 times longer.
The problem is ISD was from a long time ago in a galaxy far far away and NCC 1701 was launched in about 2245 and Kirk entered command in the 2260s. He of course would have seen all the Star Wars episodes, a huge advantage there.
@@drrussdc Kirk wasn't even born until 2200 hundreds. Hell archer wasn't even born yet. Federation was established until 2161
@@drrussdc enterprise was 950' long. A ISD is 4,800' or 1600m
@@darkmatter1152 agreed, I typo-ed the year. I've edited it for correctness above.
I meant 2245 and 2260s not 2045/2060s. LoL
@@drrussdc happens to us all. I have big thumbs so I fuck up all the time. Thankfully we can edit.
Um... The main good guys ship vs. the run-of-the-mill bad guys ship?
I call plot armour
😂
How about instead of TOS era enterprise, we use Enterprise E or Defiant. I'd take one of them vs a super star destroyer any day of the week.
Had the same thought. Dumb, pointless matchup. I'll avoid comments now. He's got more than enough traffic for the amount of work he has put into his video.
Not plot armor. logic
@@Loki1701e Yes, plot armor. Your efforts to pretend otherwise are futile. And no logic was ever involved in this matchup, especially in the very premise. This is a rigged duel from the start, clearly made in vain hope to somehow undermine Star Wars in a pointless, and referenceless, dick measuring contest. An exercise in futility.
Also the Enterprise can go to warp whenever they want, get distance etc. The Star Destroyer has to calculate jump coordinates through a worm hold conduit so it can't pick and choose any arbitrary place to go. Also have to question sublight speed which I would grant the enterprise. Only thing the Star Destroyer has is fighters and such a larger mass that it would take a lot of wood chopping for the enterprise to destroy it.
I did covert some of that, when I did a Kirk vs Thrawn video. This video was more of a head fight in a vacuum, where that is an actual story. Where I was able to introduce things that more naturally
It wouldn't even be close . The empire's ships were built more for intimidating than fighting
Looks about right. I've been saying for years now that, though I am a fan of Star Wars, Star Trek would win hands down.
I think it would really depend on which era.
Fan of both; and though I thought the rate of fire on both sides was in neglect, I would still concur with the outcome. Not so much on the TOS side as later... I mean hell, the Defiant flea would have chopped up any dozen Star Destroyers.. mostly with quantum torpedoes, and energy weapons used to reduce their shielding. The fighter squadron would have been vaporized by phaser fire.
Star Trek Is the best
Phasers and torpedoes are amazing
Both are great. SW ships and their hyperdrive are actually faster than ST ships with their warp capabilities. But, yeah, Imperial vessels used to ionized plasma weaponry would have zero defense against charged particle weaponry and even less against transporter technology.
Really? A squadron of tie fighters just blindly fly into the Enterprise's shields?
they don't realize the ship is shielded
well to be fair Star Wars ships have shields but usually fighters can fly through them as Star Wars shields are designed to either stop turbolasers or torpedoes at one time, not at the same time
That's why you don't text and fly
Notice how the TIEs DON'T open fire before flying into the shields. Sorry, but I don't buy that the Enterprise has that kind of range on it's shields. With how close it was shown to the ImpStar when the TIEs were launched it's shields would have been enveloping the ImpStar as well if they were to extend far enough to put the TIEs out of maximum firing range. No, it was in their firing range. So even if we assume that the blue shielding that WE CAN SEE could not be seen by the TIE pilots, they'd have still been alerted to the pressence of the shields by their own laser firing striking the shields. And would have manuvered to avoid stricking the shields. Not to mention how they flew as all in a formation together rather than in three to four waves of three to four fighters per wave flying in formation. The lead wave striking the shields without firing their lasers would have warned the following waves.
why even use Tie fighters against such big target, when you have tie bombers?
For the most part, I concede your points. As a hard core Treker, it pains me to say that the Star Destroyer would win for the simple reason that they would send out wave after wave of TIE fighters that would eventually overwhelme the Enterprise shields leaving them vulnerable . . . Much like army ants taking down a buffalo. I would say the same if it was Enterprise-E . . . UNLESS the Enterprise took the Destroyer out superfast like in the vid. Given Starfleet mentality . . . Not sure Kirk or Picard would make such a drastic move so quickly. As another poster commented, a BSG comparison would be better (and I would give BSG Galctica the same odds as a Destroyer given the onslaught of Vipers).
Hi i Iove a chance to debate my findings. For a scifi nerd there is nothing better. So as a rebuttal to your comment that the tie fighters would surround the enterprise and inflict a death my 1000 cuts. There is one main problem with that theory. Look up the top speed of a Tie fighter and then compare it to the speed of full impulse. 1/4 the speed of light. Us the enterprise's top battle speed. The tie fighters are so much slower, and their weapons range so short. They could not catch the enterprise to be much of a threat
Enterprise seems to have abilities from TNG ship while Destroyer doesn't have use of most of its weapons for some reason......
What abilities are the same as TNGs? And do SDs ever use all turbolasers while firing at all?
i think it would be way cooler for the Borg to assimilate the Death Star and finish its construction on its way to the next destination....imagine a Darth Vader version of the Borg Queen
I am imagining it. Kind of want to see this...
Darth Borg??
@@aymericdeascalon4590 Would that much change? new greenish paint job, some eye extentions and that´s it: the borg couldn´t do much more XD
@@aymericdeascalon4590 darth borger
Darth Locutus of Borg
You forgot the photon torpedoes, they are antimatter warheads and could inflict heavy damage! But you did the absolute wild card of all, THE TRANSPORTER! Using that to beam over a antimatter weapon was brilliant! If they had beamed it into their engine core, the would have had to go to maximum warp because they would have had a nearly exploding sun on their hands!
Star destroyer past tech. Federation Starship future tech.
No way a Star destroyer can beat a Federation Starship.
Star Wars universe- Has had FTL technology for tens of thousands of years...
Star Trek universe- Has had FTL technology 3 magnitudes slower for a thousand years at most...
Federation- Alliance of races, none of which have had FTL tech before 0 A.D, controls less than 10% of the Galaxy at their peak, several thousand worlds at most.
Galactic Empire- Human centric empire, have had FTL technology for tens of millennia prior to the formation of the Empire, controls the near entirety of the known galaxy, and where planning conquest of other galaxies, contain 1.25 Million full member worlds, tens to hundreds of millions of other planets.
@@pollall2793 bhahahaha 🤣 🤣 ok..
@@pollall2793 Two words describe Star Wars Technology: technical stagnation. No meaningful advances in technology in millennia.
@@Elurin yup true, if you look at the federation in the 30th century, it's a more advanced society than 24th century federation because it can time travel and to alot of other stuff I don't really know right now while in the star wars galaxy you could go find an abandoned capital ship and patch it up and possibly dominate newer capital ships while something in the star trek universe will be obsolete by the next century
Star ships have no armor….star destroyers do…
Wear down shields of fed ships it’s game over.
Well the Star Wars tech would be considered in Star Trek as inferior ancient technology.
Exactly AND I HAD THE AUDASITY TO POINT THAT OUT!@!!! according the comments below
Haven't seen any of the more recent SW movies, but I am a fan of both franchises. The real question here is can our species be trusted with weapons of such power? Make no mistake ladies and gentlemen, we stand upon the cusp of such weaponry becoming more science fact than science fiction.
Kirk would have jumped out of the Enterprise and got into a fist fight with the Star Destroyer and beat the living daylights out of it.
😂😂😂😂
No you idiot
@@buzzcut9982 "Hey the joke. Where is it?"
You 2019
In the bin
Imperial shielding against energy weapons?
Talk about a mismatch...
SW ships do have energy based shielding capabilities. If not to deflect/absorb/reduce hits from energy weapons, then what is the purpose of installing shield generators and "raising shields" right before combat?
@@cliffcampbell8827
Simple. To take the enemy's first "punch in mouth," so to speak, without damaging the ship. Imperial ships are designed to use massive firepower to destroy enemy ships, in addition to launching small fighters and bombers to fend off similar attacks. The shields are there to prevent damage if the Destroyer doesn't get in the first shot.
Unlike Star Trek shields, Star Wars shields have exposed generators, which evidently are relatively easily disabled. Sensors aboard the Enterprise would detect this flaw, allowing phasers to target them.
Starwars ships have 2 types of sheild passive which is always on and negates physical damage for like debris. An also an active sheild which also blocks phisical and energy weapons because many of starwars energy weapons are hard light weapons. You are also forgetting the hundreds of ion lasers the destroyer has that would negate the startrek ships sheild totally and cripple it.
@@roberteugene7295 I know, right? I was trying to point out that the SW universe ships have shields and are not useless. The other thing I try to get everyone to see is: two completely different science fiction universes can't be combined because the physical properties of each are vastly different.... with the exception of big ships in outer space that is. Beyond that, the similarities between the two get farther and farther apart. Proton torpedoes vs. photon torpedos? Turbo lasers against phasers? Shields, deflector shields, ion cannons, transporters, etc. We simply don't have enough information to compare the two and therefore can't pit them against each other with any degree of accuracy (but the Star Destroyer would totally win).
Looks great except for the STD Enterprise... Would have been better if the TOS model was used.
You got me there when I made this I had only a few models to choose from.
@@tomasistudios2618 Still quite great. Both this video and the revised one 😁
Cool graphics man, nice job
Ummm... a starship cannot beam anything up or down while the shields are up.
Wait, weren't the sheild bulbs at the top of the destroyer blown up by that point?
@@dominicksmeech2994 The ENTERPRISES shields were still UP. /rolleyes WHY would you care about the EMPIRES shields? They don't even have transporter technology.
@@apoch003 Well, I thought you were talking about transporting things through the ISD sheild, sorry.
@@apoch003 they can transport through shields if the frequency matched together, as shown in voyager
this is what happens when a trekie makes a video of such a battle
Not that you know one solitary thing about the Enterprise. Like all Star Wars fans, you assume that it's weak, even though it was _introduced_ as a planet-killer.
@@sicsempertyrannis6916
Evidently, however, it's more than a match for an Imperial Star Destroyer.
1) Star Destroyers can't fight at above light speed, while Federation starships do so routinely.
2) A Star Destroyer's weapons have zero chance of hitting a ship flying at warp speed at ranges typically used by Federation starships, while weapons used by Federation starships are designed to be deployed while the ship maneuvers at warp speeds and at ranges far exceeding those typically used by Imperial Star Destroyers.
3) The shields employed by Imperial Star Destroyers are relatively easily put out of action. They are, according to specs, generated from the sensor array domes atop the bridge.
The bottom line is that, if forced into combat with an Imperial Star Destroyer, the Enterprise would be the prohibitive favorite to win such a matchup. For that matter, I'll take the Enterprise's sister ship, the USS Lexington under Commodore Robert Wesley, over a Star Destroyer.
@@sicsempertyrannis6916 Then let me reply in Idazmi7's stead. I've enjoyed both series in the past, but am not a big fan of either one. (My affections lie elsewhere) Trek tech is too advanced, and Star Wars tech is too antiquated, to make this a fair fight. A good outcome for S.W tech is not very plausible, even if it had been allowed to use its capabilities to the fullest in this simulated battle. Now the "Force" on the other hand . . . . that's something that would be timeless and hard to counter, though I have no idea how that could be made to influence a major battle such as this simulation portrays. Maybe we could get a Trek ship to stand still long enough for a death star to take a shot at it? I'm reasonably sure that would destroy it, if we can just convince the nimble little puppy not to move out of the way. :) oooh, I know, let's introduce a Jedi to the bridge of the Trek ship, as a supposed captive, or negotiator perhaps, and hope the captain is weak minded enough for a little mind control.
Nice idea having the Enterprise use its Transporter to beam what is effectively a Bomb over to the Star Destroyer XD
Except that's not starfleets style, at all, remember Voyager tried to disable a ship with this tactic not destroy it.
@@Predator42ID
_"Except that's not starfleets style, at all, remember Voyager tried to disable a ship with this tactic not destroy it."_
Voyager blew up a Borg ship using a bomb, knucklehead.
@@Idazmi7 Again by accident, their intention was to disable it for its transwarp systems.
Starfleet is well known for using one off tactics that never become doctrine aka standard.
Unlike Stargate where the Tau'ri actually do use this tactic whenever ship shields are down.
@@Predator42ID
_"Again by accident, their intention was to disable it for its transwarp systems. Starfleet is well known for using one off tactics that never become doctrine aka standard. Unlike Stargate where the Tau'ri actually do use this tactic whenever ship shields are down."_
You don't even realize how much Stargate rips off from Star Trek.
@@Idazmi7 I've watched lore reloaded bub and believe me when i say this. Everyone has ripped something off from someone or inspired. Unlike official stuff from people who accused DS9 of ripping off B5.
There was no such thing with stargate namely because of the difference in tech. Plus the number of guest stars from Trek.
As Lore Reloaded once said, Trek likes to shove its continuity up its proverbial backside.
Another plus for the Enterprise is the range of the weaponry. It could stay far out of range of the ISD and still hit precision targets, like the deflector array, on the ISD (at least based upon episodes like "The Changeling"). Due to the much faster sub-light speed Enterprise has and her maneuverability, the ISD is out-classed in anything other than a point-blank slug-fest.
you are 100% right, but I thought that would make a boring cartoon.
@@tomasistudios2618 I understand completely!
@@robertkreutzer4107 Its actually funny to think of how much Star Wars hate would I get if I did animate it that way.
Fastest Tie fighter is mach 1.6
Equivilant to F-5 Tiger II jet while a Starfleet Type 6 shuttle on 1/4 impulse is like mach 9000. Plus the ST shuttle hull is made of Tritanium which is 21.1 times stronger than diamond.
Where did you get the meshes of the Enterprise crew?
I made them with FaceGen. I am working a tutorial on how to make them
one torpedo and the star wars shit flys away in million parts.
You negletcted the speed factor.
The Millennium Falcon can go Point Five beyond Light Speed.
Or approximately 1.5 times Lightspeed.
The Millennium Falcon can also OUTRUN a Star Destroyer.
Warp Factor is a Cubed Factor.
That means at Warp Factor 1 the Enterprise is operating at Light Speed.
At Warp Factor 2 the Enterprise is now 8x Lightspeed.
Side note: the Death Star
In Doomsday Machine the enterprise sustains 3 planet destroying hits from the Doomsday Machine before the shields buckle, hence the first shot by the Death Star would be manageable, but 2 and 3 would then cause trouble - but again, the speed factor comes into play.
Damn this is a really good anylysis.
@@Loki1701e
Typically, Federation starships fight at warp speed. Phasers and photon torpedoes are capable of being used in such situations, and were during TOS.
Enterprise shields are going down all the time when they fight other ships. By your analogy that would mean the regular ship weapons would easily have enough power to destroy a whole planet, not just wipe the surface clean (which a Star Destroyer could do as well). Then why did Xindi or Romulans, for example, need to build very special weapons to destroy planets? They could have just sent a few regular run of the mill ships do the job with their normal weapons.
In reality if Death Star's main weapon hit Enterprise, it would be bye bye. Not that they would obviously ever hit. Enterprise could probably destroy Death Star no problem.
I agree with you. But, I also think a comparison of this type is a waste of time.
He did his best with the CGI but the Star Destroyer should have tooken out the Enterprise
@@marvelperry3350
You're nuts.
@@marvelperry3350
How?
I’ve been waiting for this for so long and I finally found it, yay!!, 👍👍👍👍👍
Glad to help
Am I wrong but aren't Star Fleet Vessels only to disable the opposing vessels or if that is not possible, they retreat?
That's really more a of a Picard
move
_"Am I wrong but aren't Star Fleet Vessels only to disable the opposing vessels or if that is not possible, they retreat?"_
Wow, you don't watch Star Trek.
Finally, a real representation of this scenario.
thanks
Hahahahah!
The, two more star destroyers jump in - along side an interdictor and rape enterprise WITH THEIR SHIELDS ON.
@@vts0361 wrong
Homeless End wrong.
I like the use of audio track clips from the original show-
THANKS FOR:
-Not using robot voices
-Making something 1,000,000,000,000x better than Kurtzman’s ‘Star Trek’
-The explanation segment was nice
Not kind to Kurtzman ... But I'm in a good place with that
I do agree with this but come on let’s be seriously real EVEN Voyager hell the Defiant could take out the star destroyer with ease that it wouldn’t even have a chance in hell
I'm not so sure. We have no idea what effect ST weaponry would have on SW shielding (and vise versa).
Also the star destroyer has both of its shield generators on top of the command module making them an easy target Same with their main reactor its in a sphere underneath the ship making it vulnerable to attack and they don't know how to aim
I know right
Star Trek has different levels of faster than light speed travel e.g. warp 9, warp 8, warp 7, etc. however Star Wars' hyperdrive only has 1 speed I assume? Is this correct?
ok the main difference is that Warp drive and Hyper drive is : warp is just going from point A-B really fast up to 500 time the speed of light for the TOS Enterprise. Hyperdrive is potently millions of times the speed of light, but the the "Hyperspace" and real space need to mapped and calculated. But the battle speed of the SD is only 700 mph.
The Star Destroyer would not stop firing and the TIE fighters should have split and lit up the Enterprise from all angles. Phasers might be useful but particle screens would render torpedoes useless until they were put down by ionized ... you know what, I'm not going to nitpick a Trek fanboy fapping. Learn the material.
Another warsie angry that their favorite franchise gets shredded in an all out war. Ion weapons don't do anything to federation ships, in fact, later episodes of tng found a way to render them useless. Plus, a star destroyers firing range is pathetic compared to any federation ship, don't believe me, look it up. Lastly, have you seen the shields on any star wars ship? It's probably some of the most useless shielding in all of sci fi, where any physical objects can go straight through them. That means one photon torpedo could turn the entire imperial armada into slag
Here is why there are not many fighters in Star Trek. th-cam.com/video/OCYirVh6ZWY/w-d-xo.html
Photon torpedo spread set to proximity detonation. Phasers set to maximum dispersal. TIES neutralized. The SD also lacks direct-fire capability, something the Enterprise has. Thus, the Enterprise can fire and maneuver without losing point of aim. A SD cannot achieve that kind of accuracy, as their guns are aimed more or less manually.
@@jfangm if ask me phases should literally cut right through star destoyer and photos should just riped massive holes into it or even broken it in half tho maybe enterprise was running that lower power output after warping in like in ST bridge Commander man amount of times I accidentally forgot to lower the power levels on sovereign to balance it literally killed myself that way warped right into supernova cloud forgetting power down weapons and chanel it to shield lol
Enterprise should be about a fifth as long as the star destroyer.
I`d say that an Imperial Star Destroyer would have that outcome. A Victory or a Super no. Victory as they had armaments closer together and a Super had more to support each other. Sure the shield flaw was still there, you could drive an A wing through it. I never understood why they didn't just have a variety of smaller ships rather than scores of ISDs.
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I got them them at Sharecg.com they are free models. they are under the poser menu
Thank you!
@@schoenhoffstudios9329 There are a ton of sights to get free props, morphs and other things without having to steel torrents.I have considered making a video on all the best sights to find free 3d models.
Thx
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Video creator, I have a question for you.
On the left side of the audio soundtrack, do you have The Fly pleading for help from the movie "The Fly" ?
I'll take my answer offline, thank you.
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Do you mean the "Help me" from the old movie?
Yes.
@@mikemiller4979 OK well I don't believe I have that audio on the Video
@@tomasistudios2618 Okay, it's probably just a remnant of my Woodstock experience.
This is a very biased video, its clearly obvious that the guy that made this is more a Trekkie than Star Wars fan.
He's not wrong, though.
Interesting, but I'd really like to see a single ISD with the Empire's best crew go up against Star Trek's planet killer from TOS. One warship, which is not a science vessel, against a largely invulnerable doomsday device.
I'd also like to see a Death Star face off against V-GER.
This was definitely made by a Trek fan. I am a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek and even I hated how badly this was biased
My first reaction too. However the fact that someone even attempts this is amazing, since we have NO idea how these would fare against eachother. I must admit though that the ISD was BADLY misrepresented
@@martinilp2513 I appreciate the work done, as I know animation is tricky, but it's a clear minefield when making something like this
@@BlackironEzekiel very minefieldy indeed
nah this is pretty much what would happen trek in light years more advanced the star wars an isd doesn't stand a chance against anything from tos to tng
@@joshuapierce5988 didn't the enterprise get shredded like paper from a bunch of tiny metal ships?
It's a shame that it's so obvious your biased. You don't even let the destroyer do anything. The fighters just fly into the shield and die. The main ship doesn't shoot till how many shots it takes? does it even shoot? I wish I watched this yesterday. It was april fools day. More fitting that day.
Not as if they can do anything in the first place. The enterprise can just stay out of range and fire weapons which are magnitudes more powerful than star wars weapons and take them out.
Very true the Enterprise has an 18 to 1 weapons range advantage, they can just stay out of weapons range and fire from a safe distance.... But just doing that would have made for a really boring video.lol
I totally agree. Well done. There is just no comparison. Any ship that has unshielded shield generators is just asking for trouble.
I am dumber for having watched this. Thanks, TH-cam algorithm.
You didn't have to click on the thumbnail. Just saying.
LOL! And for those who are all salty about it...they were nice enough not use use later tech available, such as....
The *Genesis Torpedo*
Which could probably take out a Star Destroyer(or pretty much any ship/mobile base the Empire has-including a Death Star) before it even came within it's weapons range.
Good video and analysis.
Here are a few monor nitpicks
Enterprise, the classic TOS version, is about 289m, the Discoprise version in that video is more like 500m, an ISD is 1600m, the ISD should be about 3.3-6 times as long as Enterprise not the about 20 times as long it seemed to be in the video
relitive speeds, Enterprise was way too slow, it should be hundreds of times as fast as an ISD at sublight speeds
despite it being utterly pointless the ISD should have kept shooting when it could bring guns to bear
mostly I agree with your assessment of the battle but Pike or Kirk commanding Enterprise would not beam a torpedo on board the crippled destroyer without giving them a chance to surender, by that point the Destroyers engines and sheilds were disabled, the ISD posed absolutely no threat (rather than no significant threat at the start of the video), Enterprise could just go a few light seconds (8 seconds at full impulse) out where they would have minutes to dodge if the ISD fired again and Kirk would try to negotiate a surender before killing them in a first contact situation unless Enterprise was seriously threatened which it was not.
Beaming weapons aboard enemy ships is a Star-gate SG1 maneuver lol and is the only show to do that as far as I know. I've seen all treks working on viewing Discovery.
@@spockospockon6519
The logical reason beaming weapons is not often done in Trek (there was an episode of Enterprise where they beamed an explosive device onto a repair station that abducts members of the crew of ships it repairs) is that if the shields are down firing a torpedo would be almost as effective as beaming it, and if the shields are up you cannot beam through shields.
Also beaming it is less spectacular than launching it.
Basicly if you can beam a torpedo on an enemy ship you may as well just fire it.
Remember, TOS ships maneuver like airliners. That may be "fast" but they are always graceful as they maneuver (which actually limits how fast they appear to be moving). The one criticism I have of the Fed ship is it zipping around like a fighter plane. Sisko's Pimp Hand (aka the _Defiant_ ) flies like that, but Connies don't. Not with those spindly pylons, they don't! Well I have a second criticism, that being the scaling, but other people have mentioned it.
I agree with the sizes.... Enterprise is a lot bigger.
@@spockospockon6519 Star Trek Voyager did this.
In this circumstances the enterprise might win, but those two franchises are completely different and you can't really compare those. Because the technology of each franchise has been made for other situations. With Canon and legends you have so much information about a ship in Star Wars that you don't even know how to balance this those two universes. I don't know much about Star Trek, but what I know is, that it is hard to feature two of the most well known vehicle of space battles even that you aren't more for Star Wars or more for Star Trek. Everybody has a franchise which he loves more and likes this we are rating those so everybody should just build his own opinion of how the battle would end.
I think it would be better to pit one federation ship against another, same goes for klingon ships or rom's or whoever (same time frame, i.e. enterprise against reliant). Better yet, "this" faction against "that" empire (federation vs. klings or whoever) in a one on one frigate vs. frigate, battlecruiser vs battlecruiser and so on. No tech or natural space anomaly limitations (cloaking, rays, planetary magnetic fields, nebulas, etc.). If only someone, some software company, a game designer and programmers would make such a product WITH the highest degree paid to accuracy of official canon. My favorite section is the movie ships against movie ships (a lot of ships would have to be created for the klingons, romulans and "other" races). Television series ships against television series ships (a lot of material has already been provided by the next generation).
Was this made in 1980?
Hey man. Appreciated your video. Sure, it's rough around the edges, but it does the job overall, and it's a decent effort that must have taken you quite some time. Now, given the way you thought out the combat, there's actually no question whatsoever regarding the winner. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the matchup was a wrong pick, for this very reason. The Enterprise has the very best crew Starfleet can offer, is the main battle ship of the fleet, under the guise of the "heavy cruiser" category... And is basically a jack of all trade, with an emphasis on long exploration missions. Actually, the Enterprise herself is the flagship of the Federation, and the hero ship of the original series. Suffice to say, it is a ship designed to last, a ship designed to win. What is the Imperial Star Destroyer? It is the main Star cruiser used by the Empire, the backbone of the fleet, a military workhorse. The ISD is designed to perform all sorts of military missions for the Empire, in the Empire, against rebellions and criminals, either alone with support ships, or in a full battle group. It is not made to be all alone, or engaged with unknown enemies. Its emphasis is on holding the battle line and bombarding the enemy with broadsides of artillery. Oh, and it has a standard imperial crew, which aren't any smarter than regular navy guys. They won't pose any threat to Kirk and his crew any time soon. Finally, let's not forget the ISD is primarily a villain ship, in a manichean universe. It is designed to fail, designed to lose, while still remaining visually impressive and/or intimidating. Common sense, and a quick observation of the matchup should be more than enough to see the real issue here. No analysis of the tech required.
Thanks dude
Kirk for the win.... always
even without Kirk this was no contest.
@@myerssed yes
While I admit I don't know how to do CGI stuff, this really didn't look impressive for 2019.
Just beam a photon torpedo onto the star destroyers bridge because no shields and boom
Why bother beaming it? A spread of 3 torpedoes would tear it apart.
@@roberteugene7295 more fun..? Maybe?
@@thegbgamer3072
I suppose. But, in reality, I can't imagine Captain Kirk ordering such an action unless the ship's weapons were disabled and there were no other way. 😉
The answer is and was simple. Federation ships have "Stand Off" capabilities. Star Wars you had to physically see your target and BE in RANGE. The last war we saw "Broadside" or "In range" radar shooting was WW2.
As soon as the enterprise got in range of the star destroyers weapons it would be obliterated by the octouple turbolasers alone plus all the other lasers scattered all over its hull.
The speed of the turbolasers shots would give the Enterprise time to evade. And it would just sit outside the Star Destroyers firing range, and pepper it with photon torpedos, which pack a punch equal to 43 megatons (one kilo of antimatter). AND targetting vital systems, not just firing at the silhouette.
@@AllanFolm but you actually know star destroyers have point defense systems
@@r64live2
What Star Wars fans are commonly missing is several advantages that can't be downplayed.
1) The Enterprise is many times more maneuverable and many times faster than the Imperial Star Destroyer due to the warp drive. This unfamiliar speed and maneuverability would have made the Enterprise a nearly impossible target for the targeting system of the imperial ship. This would have rendered weapons like the ion cannon useless.
2) As a primarily science and discovery vessel, the powerful sensors on the Enterprise would have given her Captain (one James T. Kirk) detailed information on vital systems of the Imperial ship in a matter of seconds.
3) The Enterprise would have maneuvered to astern of the Star Destroyer, where the larger (but less maneuverable) ship could bring no weapons to bear on the Enterprise. This is where the Enterprise uses a spread of phasers to neutralize the weak shields, followed by a spread of photon torpedoes. This would have rendered the Star Destroyer a shattered wreck.
Even though the star destroyer has shear firepower ( if they uses true lasers,They will not even scratch the Enterprise )
They will still defeated because of the long range and it’s accuracy.
The scales are wrong, you miss the factor that the star destroyer has powerful shields too and proton guided missels and the TIE fighters dont go together always, so the tractor beam wouldnt destroy them easily, and the star destroyer would be always firing... So i only can say that you should prepare better the information before doing such comparison. In conclusion, this is the typical star trek fan.
Whho will win?
Sith imperial fleet vs. Uss enterprise
The whole fleet???
Yes
@@SolventtT well I did the math for the video what if the Empire invaded the alpha quadrant .. And that was 2 federaton ships and 3 Klingon war birds vs 27 star destroyers 1 super star destroyer and the E6 death star. That was an even match up.
@Ken Lewis
What about the whole Imperial Navy?
@@SolventtT Well the Empire at its peak had round 27,000 ships. Even though the enterprise is superior. 27,000 to 1 seems like long odds.
What animation program is this
Daz3d and after effects
so the starship enterprise was a little bigger than the millinium falcon and had 230 crew members.
Actually, a lot bigger than the Millennium Falcon, and had a crew of 430.
Here's why the arguments he posed are really up in the air, first, there is documented accounts of star destroyers tanking ships coming out of hyperspace without a scratch, second, the turbo lasers on a star destroyer have been shown to tear Mon Calla cruisers to space dust in minutes and finally the tactical skills of said crew fall on the competence of the captain. The opening volley from the turbo lasers would've destroyed the enterprise completely, not to mention tie pilots wouldn't be that stupid as shown, and the M.F. had plot armor, there are a huge number of other variables not taken into account, like the side laser cannons, the ion cannons, the ridiculous power of the shields, tie interceptors, tie bombers, the cannons actually firing, the fact that star destroyers are always within a short hyperspace jump from one another, a small fleet of star destroyers can glass a planet in minutes. If you use only footage from the movies, then you should wait until after you dig deeper into the actual stats and accounts of non plot armored vehicles and characters, and then you'll find that federation Starships wouldn't stand a chance alone against a star destroyer
From what i have seen star destroyer shields do not function. It cannot tank a ship comming from hyper space as shown in the last jedi. The weapons systems have to be manually targeted and also the shots tar el very slowly and don't have much range. It can easily be proven that the resistance cruiser was able to stay out of effective weapons range of the star destroyers as shown in the last jedi. Then star trek ships have actual functional shields, the weapons aiming system is computerised and extremely accurate. The phasers travel at the speed of light and have a range of thousands of kilometres. Also laser weapons are considered primitive in star trek universe and do not have any effect on shields. A single quantum torpedo from the enterprise e can rip apart a star destroyers .
@@RameezRazaRiaz99 but you're sources are the movies, you *cannot* look to the movies for those sorts of statistics, because they're heavily plot armored to the good guys. If you want actually realistic results, you need to look beyond canon to the expanded universe also known as Legends, that's where star destroyers are shown in their true light, a turbo laser battery actually has an effective range of 10 light minutes
@@RameezRazaRiaz99 and maybe you should watch an unbiased channel like Ekharts ladder or generation tech, where they actually give you sources and facts on why any ship wins a given battle, like the enterprise D vs an imperial 2 star destroyer, the star destroyer wins 7.5 times out of ten because it's a dedicated warship
@@fishernatethespaceman5015 but they only mostly make star wars videos rarely they make star trek videos let alone other ships from trek universe other than Enterprise.
@@RameezRazaRiaz99 that doesn't mean that they don't do the research necessary to make a conclusive decision
Imperial shield is the equivilant of a deflector in TOS.
No they're not
There's also the question of whether SD shields would even WORK against phasers, since they don't even work against ion-cannons.
Ship-phasers use a subspace carrier-beam that allows the beam to move tens of thousands of times lightspeed, while SD ships use some type of magnetic shield that only affects normal matter and energy, it can't bend space (or else they'd use it for propulsion). So the phasers would shoot right through, as would photon torpedoes which have their own shield-generators.
All true but I needed to pad out the runtime. #thealgorithm
You know they wanted to capture the Falcon during most chases and sometimes only wanted them to escape so they could be followed?
Star Destroyer would fire Ion cannons first at an unknown ship so no shields and no power. Also powerful tractor beams to hold the target in place.
The Enterprise has survived weapons similiar to ion cannons in TAS. All it did was knock out warp drive and transporter functions for a brief moment. A Star destroyer doesn't have strong enough tractor beams to take in a ship traveling 1/4th light speed and can remodulate it's shields to escape from it (as shown in TNG). Also, we've seen Federation ships stay close to the event horizon of a black hole or other massive objects with enough gravitational forces to destroy a ship, so a tractor beam won't do anything.