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There are many examples of Klingon women serving on military vessels. See the TNG episode from Season 2 where Riker serves on a Bird of Prey or many scenes from the Klingon Civil War in later seasons. If there is a lack of gender separation on their ships, it’s probably because it isn’t deemed important to them.
I was thinking the same thing. Also, I remember Klingon beds just being slabs of concrete with no sheets or pillows, unlike what he’s showing here. Also, a sick bay on a Klingon ship?? I don’t think this dude understands what the Klingons are about
@@Mac10Daddy Klingons want to die in battle, not from illness or workshop accidents. A warrior maintains his weapon, and the most important weapon is the man holding the blade.
@@Mac10Daddy There was a cramped little sick bay on the HMS Bounty in star trek III. Agreed on the beds, though I'd thought they were made of duranium.
In canon there are multiple versions of the Bird of Prey, which resulted in different hull sizes and layouts. The B'rel and K'vort classes are just two of them that have been put on screen.
Yep. Unlike the Feds who in most cases had to come up with an entirely new hull design for each ship, the Klingons found one that worked great, and just scaled it up as needed. And IIRC, it was the D-7 that they shared with the Romulans, who had their own 'Bird of Prey' design.
@@VulpisFoxfire The Kilingon Bird of Prey was actually a Romulan/Klingon collaboration design.. which is why it has the avian features such as the feather looking hull plates etc
yes the IKS Rotarran was considered the bigger end of the classes of birds of prey, i doubt anyone would want to mess with that ship especially if General Martok was in command, its a dominion war veteran ship with a battle-hardened crew, a ship of veteran warriors
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I have a Model I assembled back in 1998. I love the bird design. It has an organic look to it. While a Federation starship looks more like a floating hotel or a floating hospital.
I'd love to travel around in a Bird of Prey in the Star Trek universe. I'd have to make a few modifications for my own personal tastes. I think it's a great ship!
Also need to take into account the difference between the b'rel en k'vort class birds of prey. There is no ''THE'' Klingon bird of prey. The b'rel was a small scout ship, mainly from the tos movies. But the k'vort as seen in TNG is a much larger version of the bird of prey, even though it looks pretty much exactly the same as the b'rel from the outside.
@@jaredcolon4535 There was a K'vort in DS9 "Penumbra," and the DS9 technical manual gives some background, including info on its 4 disruptor cannons and 2 torpedo launchers vs the B'rel's 2 cannon and 1 launcher.
It's mostly beta cannon, as it is never explicitly said in TNG, but almost all birds of prey from TNG are considered k'vort class and not b'rel. The 'vorn' , the 'rotarran' , the 'pagh', the 'hegh'ta', and so on are all considered k'vort class in most alpha or beta canon sources... But the shows were always a bit vague about this up until the rotarran showed up, when it is made pretty clear it's a k'vort and not a b'rel.
@@johanwittens7712 In my head canon, I imagine there are heaps of different versions of the class, it being an old workhorse that's been refit and modernized for upward of a century, and B'rel and K'vort are simply the most prominent subclasses in the TOS and TNG eras respectively. There might be actual evidence of this, or I might be making it up. I'm a bit foggy on the details. :P
@@auturgicflosculator2183 I just tend to ignore the size figure from the Tech Manual, however. There's no real consistent evidence the K'Vort is larger than 350 meters long, outside of that. And the B'Rel/D-12 etc, all average about 100 to 139 meters long, despite what the video implies. And with six decks or so (for general audience) As for how many variants, at least two, but could be five plus. How much they vary in size depends on personal opinion. Also, Johan Wittens - when was it made clear, about the Rotarran?
Once again, thanks a whole ton for this. Awesome job. I have to admit it's weird to see their bridge with the off center orientation, but nothing makes me chuckle more than the idea of them having a laundry room. That's just hilarious to me.
@@Halfscreen it was also one design, perhaps of a sub-class. Remember the BOP bridge design changed to what we saw commonly in Star Trek V and forward. We can deduct that Commander Kruge may have customized it to his liking, as there the ‘HMS Bounty’ had a more traditional arrangement. We may assume the components were in storage.
@@Halfscreen And was not expecting it to be scaled this small, either. Much of the time it seems between 100 and 150 meters, in Star Trek 3 onward. 450 feet was the 'official scale' given in the Haynes Bird of Prey Manual, too. Which depicts six to seven decks, also - in a very different layout. Have to say the cargo bay and corridor are pretty detailed and similar to the movie set, in that book - if maybe overscaled. Was this based on a FASA or Jackill deckplan?
I noted your bridge layout vastly different then the Klingon Ship we have seen and spent the most time with on screen. The B'rel Class ship the IKS Rotarran which we see in 13 episodes of DS9 and served through the Dominion War of the 2370's. Edit: Women have been shown within the KDF since TOS in the 1960s, the movies, TNG, DS9, Voy, Enterprise, and all new Trek.
@@Halfscreen Since the Klingon Military isn't as uniformed as the federations, different bridge configurations could be present on vessels of the same class, since maybe a house produces them differently or the captain of this vessel wanted them to be different.
One thing that doesn’t get mentioned is why the bridge of Kruge’s bird of prey looks completely different between STIII and STIV. In my own head canon I suppose that there was heavy damage done to the ship and the Vulcans couldn’t repair to Klingon standard so they retrofitted the ship with Vulcan parts.
Nice work. But correction to this video and the previous video regarding the length of the Enterprise. The original Constitution Class was 288m. The refit, including the Enterprise A was 305m. Also, the D7 was 228m, not 288m. It makes a difference in scaling so double check your sources. Remember some official material has been misprinted and it found its way to the internet resources. The information I am familiar with pre-dates the DS9 Technical Manual where the mistake originated.
The bridge of the TOS Enterprise was angled 30° or so off the centerline of the ship. The turbolift was facing aft. (This was, of course, for better camera setups in a TV series.)
Some interesting behind-the-scenes points about the Bird of Prey, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, the original story idea was that this was going to feature the Romulans as antagonists, and the Bird of Prey was originally going to be a Romulan ship. But, Leonard Nimoy, actor and the director of this film, wanted to feature Klingons, so there were scenes slated to have Kruge and his men capture a Romulan Bird of Prey. But this would've lengthened the movie, and was deemed overall pointless to the movie, so it was called a Klingon Bird of Prey. So, Nimoy got what he wanted. And, besides, another issue concerning the Romulans was that the general audience, not all of whom were Trekkies, might not fully know who the Romulans are, and would likely confuse them with the Vulcans. Nimoy also needed a ship for Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov to be able to commandeer. They couldn't go with a classic Klingon D-7 ship, seen in the original series and then updated for that initial scene in The Motion Picture. It's too big, has much more crew, and even if Kirk somehow Kirked his way into commandeering that ship, it's not believable that only five people would be able to man this thing and bring it to Vulcan, not without alerting Starfleet to its presence. If you'll note, in the Original Series, Klingon ships did not have a cloaking device. There's also the issue of believability when the wounded Enterprise, only on automation, would be able to take on a Klingon D-7 Battlecruiser. During story development, Nimoy needed a smaller enemy vessel. The need for it to land was a bonus.
One of the most beautiful, efficient and well designed ship of the entire Star Trek series. And if this double system was waste, I think not, which allowed this ship to serve for centuries, while Federation replaced designs like gloves.
You do realize that there are multiple size variants of the 'bird of prey' ship do you? As well as ALL romulan ship classes the klingon versions vary in size dimension with additions to their size variations there are more decks on larger versions of the celebrated ships and hold true to all aesthetic of the ship represented accurately in different overall scale, it is absolutely incredible engineering, after all romulans are of vulcan descent.
With races like the Klingons and the Romulans they were the only ones that we never saw what their Photon torpedoes looked like unlike with the Federation whose torpedoes look identical to the class 8 and 9 probes.
Redundancy is not wasteful for a combat vessel. A damaged vessel can keep on fighting. Perhaps not quite as effectively, but a Bird of Prey at 60% is still a formidable warship. For a real world example, take a look at the Fairchild Republic A-10 Warthog attack/close air support jet.
my dad taught me everything I know about Star Trek and really beginning, it was almost as big as your Star Wars, and the Klingon bird of prey is exact, same one that I remember from being a kid
You know when I was much younger, I went to a Star Trek convention in my home city and Jimmy Doohan(Scotty) was one of the cast members there. We asked him his favorite line and he performed it for us and the place went nuts. “Admiral, there be whales here”. What an awesome guy and a fun moment.
The bird of prey Romulan / vulcan design is the most survivable ship design in the universe in battle as far as redundancy and weapons potential potency as well as it's surprise attack ability, also its profile is harder to target at a distance than any other ship because of the boom design and it's detachability, the wings as physical deflectors in multiple positions offer special maneuvers during combat that a skilled pilot can create movements in battle sequence that are highly elusive. Another key is klingon red energy based weapon design and extra potency and vile out of range ballistics potential when fired at speed out of range can still paint target with it's shields down, cloaking upon firing a high powered red energy photon torpedos are highly dangerous, as the weaponry's energy is highly unstable and offers an erratic spiking energy potency.
System redundancy is good in a combat ship in case something is damaged. Maybe the Klingons got this idea from their anatomy. In the ST-TNG episode when Worf's spine was broken in a cargo moving accident, the anatomical backups saved Worf's life.
@@Halfscreen It certainly does, and even adds to how cool the whole gimmick was on the movie PLUS to the care you put into scaling these ships for the videos.
I like Spacedock's review of my favorite starship in all of Science Fiction - a true "Hero Ship" able to perform any role needed. "Any true son or daughter of Kahless knows there is always Honor to be found while serving aboard a Klingon Bird of Prey..."
The Klingon Bird of Prey is a awesome starship design, it can be crewed by as few of 7, Male and Female Klingon warriors, it's usually it's crewed by 12, but it can be crewed by 36, Klingon warriors.
some BoP's also have a holodeck for training the warriors, also redundancy of ship systems is actually a pretty smart idea if one goes down then the back up can take over unless it too gets destroyed! also female Klingons do serve on Klingon ships whether or not they are officially KSDF (Klingon self defense force) members or not they are still partially crewed by female warriors as well as the men in some ships.
The Klingon Bird Of Prey is easily my favorite Star Trek ship. All the variants included. Can you imagine a Battleship-Class or a Dreadnought-Class Bird Of Prey?
"Women were not allowed in the Klingon Self Defense Force".... So, I guess all the female Klingons we see in the movies and shows were, what, passengers? Did you NOT see the boobs on the first officer of the Klingon ship in ST5? Multiple female Klingons serving on ships in TNG? DS9? VOY? LITERALLY EVERY SERIES EXCEPT TOS?
I loved this. I loved the deck by deck blueprints and the side view. I'm still not sure the cargo deck was bit enough for two fully grown whales and all that water but you made a convincing case for it. I never knew it was compressed warp plasma that the disruptors shot out.
One major point you missed was, it was a Romulan/ Klingon design. Cloaking technology, Bird of Prey model and the alloys of material (green metal) were of Romulan origins.
@@Halfscreen Looking into it further, my mistake that it was green metal. The Warbird-era Romulan military vessels are PAINTED green….the colour of Romulan blood.
A fun, and relatively easy inside look would be one of the Normandy ships from the Mass Effect series. Seeing as the franchise is getting another game might be worth the effort to get a few interested clicks.
If I were a system in the Star Trek universe, I'd purchase a lot of these Klingon Bird of Preys. They are very versatile, can travel to space and enter any planet system whether it has an atmosphere or not, has warp capabilities and considerable firepower and defense. It's generally also a multipurpose vessel.
Others have mentioned the multiple sizes thing and the presence of female officers, so I eon't get into that, but I'm surprised no mention was made about where the Bird of Prey's warp engines are. (I always thought they were just housed in the same part of the ship as the impulse engines (based on where the camera zooms in when they go back in time in STIV), but apparently they're the wings, and the feather plates are just differently-shaped warp coils.) Also, your 8.6 must be on the new scale; we know the ship got up to at least 9.9 when it went back in time.
Love the bird of prey ..it's the stars WWII sub It rocks and still scares federation..and new ability to fire while clocked .best gesture ever ..long live the great white of the stars
there's 4 different "Klingon Bird-of-prey",Much like how the TOS era D7 design was taken and scaled up for the K't'inga-class... same exterior but different overall size and deck layout... K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class, and Class 5.
the bird of prey is a lot more intimidating than anything the federation had. Interesting was the fact the bird of prey seemed right at home in the atmosphere
The Klingon Bird of prey has a storage area design for really fresh food. To the Klingons, Fresh Food means living creatures. Klingons like to slaughter their food before eating it. It is likely that the larger creatures were set aside for important occasions. Likely due to reversing Federation technology, the Klingon Birds of Prey were able to store meat and other types of foods in refrigerators to free vital space.. Still a large part of the Cargo area is design for live food. It is likely that most of the live food are small food creatures which are vital to the Klingon diet. Still some large creatures were kept alive for important occasions. Around the time of the Bow Arrow Incident, a large amount of space was literally set aside for live food, By the late 24th Century, The Klingons were able to store more meat and other types of food in refrigerators. The Klingons have a reason for having refrigerators. Merely to free up more space. Still if a Klingon Crew have a choice between live food and refrigerating food, they will chose live food over refrigerating food. It is likely that on some ships, the Klingons have started to use replicators. They are using replicators to free up the space normally set aside for the storage of live food. Still a part of one of the cargo holds are set aside for live food esp. for the live smaller creatures. Yet some of the space has been set aside for the larger live food is meant for important occasions.
The bird is my almost loved Ship in star trek. The best and coooolest design of star trek .i love the klingons!!!!. Yeah. Ok.. borg cube and borg also cool.
Its something that the Klingon dog christopher Lloyd's character was petting wasnt still on the ship, eatting klingon rats, that may have contaminated the SF bay , along with the fact you gotta wonder howrhe whales breathed , or how tome travel affected them.
I love your videos. There’s a couple things you do miss though. First off what you showed is not a D7. I think it’s either a D5 or a D6. The other thing that you probably didn’t realize is the bird of prey is a crossover technology with tech trade with the Romulans, which is where they got the cloaking device. Of course clean eventually converted their version of cooking device to fit their needs, and Romulans eventually moved away from using Klingon ships .
The D-12 class birds of prey have this spaceframe design, but they were retired from service because of defective plasma coils, which is part of the cloaking device.
Thanks for this. I always wondered where they put those whales. Also, this style of ship seemed to come in various sizes (you mentioned the B'Rel for example). Can you give us a video that depicts the various sizes of the BoP? As for Klingon women on board ships, several folks here mention Mara from TOS "Day of the Dove" as well as Klingon women from TNG. I wonder if this can be explained as a feature of various Klingon Houses (family/ klan/ etc....) who crewed Imperial ships as they saw fit...? Thoughts, anyone?
I recommend checking out EC Henry video on the different sizes. th-cam.com/video/7WUAldRvUY0/w-d-xo.html&t I thing I have noticed about researching ST relative books and technical manual is information given is not always consistent. The manual I read said no women are not allowed, but many of the audience mentioned that isn't correct, women are supposedly allowed.
I always thought the bridge design should denote his/her bath rooms, and a loung/ food / drink service like a long range train does. Because if as in the real world you have a long shift some comfort is needed.
As much as i like the iconic design of the BoP, i always found it to be too small for a practical space ship, even a pure war ship. Size fits more to a planetary defense or patrol craft.
That's sort of what it is. The Klingons most often use the Bird of Prey as a cheap, expendable patrol ship. The fact that it has a cloak makes it useful for ambush attacks, and in numbers they can swarm, but they're not useful for much else.
Comparable to the Corvette class of warships in WWII. Small but often able to punch above their weight class. Or maybe more like a U-boat given their steath using the cloaking device. Similarly cramped accomodations.
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Hi Half, even the most Xenophobic Romulan wants to ride in a B.O.P.
There are many examples of Klingon women serving on military vessels. See the TNG episode from Season 2 where Riker serves on a Bird of Prey or many scenes from the Klingon Civil War in later seasons. If there is a lack of gender separation on their ships, it’s probably because it isn’t deemed important to them.
I was thinking the same thing. Also, I remember Klingon beds just being slabs of concrete with no sheets or pillows, unlike what he’s showing here. Also, a sick bay on a Klingon ship?? I don’t think this dude understands what the Klingons are about
@@Mac10Daddy Klingons want to die in battle, not from illness or workshop accidents. A warrior maintains his weapon, and the most important weapon is the man holding the blade.
The TOS season 3 episode "Day of the Dove" featured Mara, a Klingon female who was the ship's science officer and wife of Kang, the ship's commander.
@@MrWhipple42 that episode was on H&I this evening
@@Mac10Daddy There was a cramped little sick bay on the HMS Bounty in star trek III. Agreed on the beds, though I'd thought they were made of duranium.
In canon there are multiple versions of the Bird of Prey, which resulted in different hull sizes and layouts. The B'rel and K'vort classes are just two of them that have been put on screen.
Yep. Unlike the Feds who in most cases had to come up with an entirely new hull design for each ship, the Klingons found one that worked great, and just scaled it up as needed. And IIRC, it was the D-7 that they shared with the Romulans, who had their own 'Bird of Prey' design.
@@VulpisFoxfire The Kilingon Bird of Prey was actually a Romulan/Klingon collaboration design.. which is why it has the avian features such as the feather looking hull plates etc
yes the IKS Rotarran was considered the bigger end of the classes of birds of prey, i doubt anyone would want to mess with that ship especially if General Martok was in command, its a dominion war veteran ship with a battle-hardened crew, a ship of veteran warriors
The Bird of Prey is always my favourite ship in the Star Trek universe.
Imagine doing laundry duty on these ships ?. I was surprised to even see a laundry room.
The HMS Bounty is my favorite starship in the Trek universe. Not because it was powerful, but because you could fly it with 12 of your friends.
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I love this ship! It’s even better knowing the interior now. Thanks Halfscreen!
No problem!
That "D-7" you used in the video at about 4:00 is actually a D-4 Concept that was created for ST: ENT but was never used.
fun fact, the D4 concept was used in the amazing Age of the Federation mod for sins of a solar empire by Stellar Parallax studios. Even if you don't play, the model work for these forgotten ENT era ships is gorgeous.
I have a Model I assembled back in 1998. I love the bird design. It has an organic look to it. While a Federation starship looks more like a floating hotel or a floating hospital.
I'd love to travel around in a Bird of Prey in the Star Trek universe. I'd have to make a few modifications for my own personal tastes. I think it's a great ship!
Also need to take into account the difference between the b'rel en k'vort class birds of prey. There is no ''THE'' Klingon bird of prey. The b'rel was a small scout ship, mainly from the tos movies. But the k'vort as seen in TNG is a much larger version of the bird of prey, even though it looks pretty much exactly the same as the b'rel from the outside.
I always assumed the k'vort didn't actually exist in the prime time line only the yesterday's enterprise timeline
@@jaredcolon4535 There was a K'vort in DS9 "Penumbra," and the DS9 technical manual gives some background, including info on its 4 disruptor cannons and 2 torpedo launchers vs the B'rel's 2 cannon and 1 launcher.
It's mostly beta cannon, as it is never explicitly said in TNG, but almost all birds of prey from TNG are considered k'vort class and not b'rel. The 'vorn' , the 'rotarran' , the 'pagh', the 'hegh'ta', and so on are all considered k'vort class in most alpha or beta canon sources...
But the shows were always a bit vague about this up until the rotarran showed up, when it is made pretty clear it's a k'vort and not a b'rel.
@@johanwittens7712 In my head canon, I imagine there are heaps of different versions of the class, it being an old workhorse that's been refit and modernized for upward of a century, and B'rel and K'vort are simply the most prominent subclasses in the TOS and TNG eras respectively. There might be actual evidence of this, or I might be making it up. I'm a bit foggy on the details. :P
@@auturgicflosculator2183 I just tend to ignore the size figure from the Tech Manual, however. There's no real consistent evidence the K'Vort is larger than 350 meters long, outside of that.
And the B'Rel/D-12 etc, all average about 100 to 139 meters long, despite what the video implies. And with six decks or so (for general audience)
As for how many variants, at least two, but could be five plus. How much they vary in size depends on personal opinion.
Also, Johan Wittens - when was it made clear, about the Rotarran?
Once again, thanks a whole ton for this. Awesome job. I have to admit it's weird to see their bridge with the off center orientation, but nothing makes me chuckle more than the idea of them having a laundry room. That's just hilarious to me.
Glad you enjoyed it and yes, the bridge is definitely an odd design.
Yeah I’m not sure it’s actually a laundry room. Probably something discreet. lol
@@Halfscreen it was also one design, perhaps of a sub-class. Remember the BOP bridge design changed to what we saw commonly in Star Trek V and forward. We can deduct that Commander Kruge may have customized it to his liking, as there the ‘HMS Bounty’ had a more traditional arrangement. We may assume the components were in storage.
@@Firefox13A it’s where they store the BloodWine😂😂😂
@@Halfscreen And was not expecting it to be scaled this small, either. Much of the time it seems between 100 and 150 meters, in Star Trek 3 onward. 450 feet was the 'official scale' given in the Haynes Bird of Prey Manual, too.
Which depicts six to seven decks, also - in a very different layout.
Have to say the cargo bay and corridor are pretty detailed and similar to the movie set, in that book - if maybe overscaled.
Was this based on a FASA or Jackill deckplan?
I noted your bridge layout vastly different then the Klingon Ship we have seen and spent the most time with on screen. The B'rel Class ship the IKS Rotarran which we see in 13 episodes of DS9 and served through the Dominion War of the 2370's.
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Schematic doesn't necessary match movies or series.
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@@Halfscreen Since the Klingon Military isn't as uniformed as the federations, different bridge configurations could be present on vessels of the same class, since maybe a house produces them differently or the captain of this vessel wanted them to be different.
@@riesenbonobo7846 I heard there are several different types of configuration for the BoP.
One thing that doesn’t get mentioned is why the bridge of Kruge’s bird of prey looks completely different between STIII and STIV. In my own head canon I suppose that there was heavy damage done to the ship and the Vulcans couldn’t repair to Klingon standard so they retrofitted the ship with Vulcan parts.
My opinion is that the ST IV bridge, which was about half the size of the ST III bridge, was the ship's aux bridge.
5 min vulcanizer is probably what they used. Lol
My opinion is they put in 25 watt bulbs instead of 15...
It was quickly re-configured by the script crew. 😀
I lost it at “Whale Storage Room”! 😂🤣😂 Well Done!
LOL I had to stop there.... Whales was not on most ships, just the 1 used to saved Earth from the probe looking for the whales.... *shakes head*
Nice work. But correction to this video and the previous video regarding the length of the Enterprise. The original Constitution Class was 288m. The refit, including the Enterprise A was 305m. Also, the D7 was 228m, not 288m. It makes a difference in scaling so double check your sources. Remember some official material has been misprinted and it found its way to the internet resources. The information I am familiar with pre-dates the DS9 Technical Manual where the mistake originated.
Hands down the coolest ship design in Star Trek.
The bridge facing to port is really, really, REALLY strange! Never seen that before!
It's an odd design, no doubt.
The bridge of the TOS Enterprise was angled 30° or so off the centerline of the ship. The turbolift was facing aft. (This was, of course, for better camera setups in a TV series.)
Some interesting behind-the-scenes points about the Bird of Prey, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, the original story idea was that this was going to feature the Romulans as antagonists, and the Bird of Prey was originally going to be a Romulan ship. But, Leonard Nimoy, actor and the director of this film, wanted to feature Klingons, so there were scenes slated to have Kruge and his men capture a Romulan Bird of Prey. But this would've lengthened the movie, and was deemed overall pointless to the movie, so it was called a Klingon Bird of Prey. So, Nimoy got what he wanted. And, besides, another issue concerning the Romulans was that the general audience, not all of whom were Trekkies, might not fully know who the Romulans are, and would likely confuse them with the Vulcans.
Nimoy also needed a ship for Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov to be able to commandeer. They couldn't go with a classic Klingon D-7 ship, seen in the original series and then updated for that initial scene in The Motion Picture. It's too big, has much more crew, and even if Kirk somehow Kirked his way into commandeering that ship, it's not believable that only five people would be able to man this thing and bring it to Vulcan, not without alerting Starfleet to its presence. If you'll note, in the Original Series, Klingon ships did not have a cloaking device. There's also the issue of believability when the wounded Enterprise, only on automation, would be able to take on a Klingon D-7 Battlecruiser. During story development, Nimoy needed a smaller enemy vessel. The need for it to land was a bonus.
the bird of prey is my favorite star trek ship! thanks again for another great video.
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One of the most beautiful, efficient and well designed ship of the entire Star Trek series. And if this double system was waste, I think not, which allowed this ship to serve for centuries, while Federation replaced designs like gloves.
You do realize that there are multiple size variants of the 'bird of prey' ship do you? As well as ALL romulan ship classes the klingon versions vary in size dimension with additions to their size variations there are more decks on larger versions of the celebrated ships and hold true to all aesthetic of the ship represented accurately in different overall scale, it is absolutely incredible engineering, after all romulans are of vulcan descent.
Yes, but I just wanted to focus on one for this video.
With races like the Klingons and the Romulans they were the only ones that we never saw what their Photon torpedoes looked like unlike with the Federation whose torpedoes look identical to the class 8 and 9 probes.
Such an iconic star trek vessel thanks for getting around to it
Redundancy is not wasteful for a combat vessel. A damaged vessel can keep on fighting. Perhaps not quite as effectively, but a Bird of Prey at 60% is still a formidable warship. For a real world example, take a look at the Fairchild Republic A-10 Warthog attack/close air support jet.
my dad taught me everything I know about Star Trek and really beginning, it was almost as big as your Star Wars, and the Klingon bird of prey is exact, same one that I remember from being a kid
You know when I was much younger, I went to a Star Trek convention in my home city and Jimmy Doohan(Scotty) was one of the cast members there. We asked him his favorite line and he performed it for us and the place went nuts. “Admiral, there be whales here”. What an awesome guy and a fun moment.
Very nice, why not designing more types of ships, and then you'll proud of those hard works when you're young :)
The bird of prey Romulan / vulcan design is the most survivable ship design in the universe in battle as far as redundancy and weapons potential potency as well as it's surprise attack ability, also its profile is harder to target at a distance than any other ship because of the boom design and it's detachability, the wings as physical deflectors in multiple positions offer special maneuvers during combat that a skilled pilot can create movements in battle sequence that are highly elusive. Another key is klingon red energy based weapon design and extra potency and vile out of range ballistics potential when fired at speed out of range can still paint target with it's shields down, cloaking upon firing a high powered red energy photon torpedos are highly dangerous, as the weaponry's energy is highly unstable and offers an erratic spiking energy potency.
What I like most in those videos are the measures in meters and in feet. Very good!
Yeah. I'm from the states and we use the imperial measurements.
Sometimes it's hard to make those conversions, mostly miles to km. But the worst is galons to liters... 👍🏾
The "main power plates" are actually the warp coils.
Or if you go by the Haynes guide the wings are warp plates.
Ah so that's where the warp drive is!
They refer to the assembly as 'The Warp Wing', in the Haynes Manual.
System redundancy is good in a combat ship in case something is damaged.
Maybe the Klingons got this idea from their anatomy. In the ST-TNG episode when Worf's spine was broken in a cargo moving accident, the anatomical backups saved Worf's life.
I love the fact that you placed the whales from the movie there, and even gave them size.
I think it gives a better perspective imo.
@@Halfscreen It certainly does, and even adds to how cool the whole gimmick was on the movie PLUS to the care you put into scaling these ships for the videos.
I have always imagined that the whales were in the middle, not on one side like in this video.
Great video, as always! I always liked the little Bird of Prey. Versatile and useful ship.
Same here!
"Liitle?" - Worf
@@bloodfoxtriberc Well, it is one of the smaller ships in the Star Trek universe. ;)
I like Spacedock's review of my favorite starship in all of Science Fiction - a true "Hero Ship" able to perform any role needed. "Any true son or daughter of Kahless knows there is always Honor to be found while serving aboard a Klingon Bird of Prey..."
Excellent work here Sir and your Team
02:54 I use to do this same thing with my friends when we were young. It was a lot of fun ;)
The Klingons having a head makes me laugh. I can imagine a sign in there saying "NOW WASH YOUR HANDS, YOU P'TAK!!" and "TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO AIM".
The Klingon Bird of Prey is a awesome starship design, it can be crewed by as few of 7, Male and Female Klingon warriors, it's usually it's crewed by 12, but it can be crewed by 36, Klingon warriors.
some BoP's also have a holodeck for training the warriors, also redundancy of ship systems is actually a pretty smart idea if one goes down then the back up can take over unless it too gets destroyed! also female Klingons do serve on Klingon ships whether or not they are officially KSDF (Klingon self defense force) members or not they are still partially crewed by female warriors as well as the men in some ships.
"Suggestions?"
"Prayer, Mr.Saavik. Klingons don't take prisoners"
The Klingon Bird Of Prey is easily my favorite Star Trek ship. All the variants included.
Can you imagine a Battleship-Class or a Dreadnought-Class Bird Of Prey?
Best design ship ever. Reman Scimitar and Romulan Valdore come a close second.
Thank you very much, that was very interesting.
This is my favourite sci-fi ship ever.
Glad you enjoyed it!
"Women were not allowed in the Klingon Self Defense Force"....
So, I guess all the female Klingons we see in the movies and shows were, what, passengers? Did you NOT see the boobs on the first officer of the Klingon ship in ST5? Multiple female Klingons serving on ships in TNG? DS9? VOY? LITERALLY EVERY SERIES EXCEPT TOS?
The bird of prey is my favorite ship too besides the K-Tinga battle cruiser & vorcha attack cruiser.
These are all incredible. Such amazing detail and design insights.
Thanks a bunch!
I loved this. I loved the deck by deck blueprints and the side view. I'm still not sure the cargo deck was bit enough for two fully grown whales and all that water but you made a convincing case for it. I never knew it was compressed warp plasma that the disruptors shot out.
Well, the 3D model is to scale, so hypothetically, it could fit.
My favorite warship among all Star Trek vessels.
When I first saw the Bird but pray in Star Trek 3 I was like this ship is badass💯
Having redundancies is neither wasteful nor illogical. Even the U.S. Navy builds their ships with redundancies.
my favorite ship, thank you Sir.
Very welcome
One of the best designed ships in ST universe. Through the main purpose of the wings seems to be to give it the bird appearance.
If it helps I've always heard that they are the warp nacelles they just look different due to different technology
I've always liked this ship! Makes me think of the u boats of ww1. Very crude yet stealthy and deadly.
One major point you missed was, it was a Romulan/ Klingon design. Cloaking technology, Bird of Prey model and the alloys of material (green metal) were of Romulan origins.
I didn't recalled knowing about the green metal during my research. Thanks.
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Looking into it further, my mistake that it was green metal.
The Warbird-era Romulan military vessels are PAINTED green….the colour of Romulan blood.
Sweet, my favorite ST design.
This is my favorite sci-fi ship.
Love seeing non-federation ships
Ace stuff as usual. Love the renderings!
I think we see multiple female Klingon officers in ds9? Love your channel!
We've seen 3 variants of the Klingon Bird of Prey in the Star Trek series from the K'Vort Class to the B'Rel Class to the D12 Class.
Great video thanks. 😊
You’re welcome 😊
🖖😎👍Very well and nicely done indeed 👌.
A fun, and relatively easy inside look would be one of the Normandy ships from the Mass Effect series. Seeing as the franchise is getting another game might be worth the effort to get a few interested clicks.
I will look into it.
If I were a system in the Star Trek universe, I'd purchase a lot of these Klingon Bird of Preys. They are very versatile, can travel to space and enter any planet system whether it has an atmosphere or not, has warp capabilities and considerable firepower and defense. It's generally also a multipurpose vessel.
Others have mentioned the multiple sizes thing and the presence of female officers, so I eon't get into that, but I'm surprised no mention was made about where the Bird of Prey's warp engines are. (I always thought they were just housed in the same part of the ship as the impulse engines (based on where the camera zooms in when they go back in time in STIV), but apparently they're the wings, and the feather plates are just differently-shaped warp coils.)
Also, your 8.6 must be on the new scale; we know the ship got up to at least 9.9 when it went back in time.
The thing I have come to realized about creating these animations are that facts and figures can varies greatly depending on the source materials.
i must admit i love the design of the Bird of Prey
Love the bird of prey ..it's the stars WWII sub
It rocks and still scares federation..and new ability to fire while clocked
.best gesture ever ..long live the great white of the stars
I would love a cut awy tour of The Reliant from TWoK
Miranda class. Another ship with multiple types and looks.
Then enterprise A = 305 m long; there are different sizes for the bird of prey - in TNG/DS9 it is motly the 110-m-version
“ Fantastic “ “ Compact “ “ Deadly “ “ Ship “
Love your SW & ST videos!
Yay! Thank you!
Bird of Prey...the most size changing vessel in history
I still love the Klingon Bird of Prey.
Out standing work 💪
Thank you 🙌
there's 4 different "Klingon Bird-of-prey",Much like how the TOS era D7 design was taken and scaled up for the K't'inga-class... same exterior but different overall size and deck layout... K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class, and Class 5.
the bird of prey is a lot more intimidating than anything the federation had. Interesting was the fact the bird of prey seemed right at home in the atmosphere
Always curious as to where the warp core was. Looks like the wales ate it.
Warp Whales?!
The defiant laid its warp core on its side. Is it possible they did the same with the bird of prey ?
@@matthewcaughey8898 And the warp induction conduits are...and the nacelles are... nah the whales ate them.
The Klingon Bird of prey has a storage area design for really fresh food. To the Klingons, Fresh Food means living creatures. Klingons like to slaughter their food before eating it. It is likely that the larger creatures were set aside for important occasions. Likely due to reversing Federation technology, the Klingon Birds of Prey were able to store meat and other types of foods in refrigerators to free vital space.. Still a large part of the Cargo area is design for live food. It is likely that most of the live food are small food creatures which are vital to the Klingon diet. Still some large creatures were kept alive for important occasions.
Around the time of the Bow Arrow Incident, a large amount of space was literally set aside for live food, By the late 24th Century, The Klingons were able to store more meat and other types of food in refrigerators. The Klingons have a reason for having refrigerators. Merely to free up more space. Still if a Klingon Crew have a choice between live food and refrigerating food, they will chose live food over refrigerating food. It is likely that on some ships, the Klingons have started to use replicators. They are using replicators to free up the space normally set aside for the storage of live food. Still a part of one of the cargo holds are set aside for live food esp. for the live smaller creatures. Yet some of the space has been set aside for the larger live food is meant for important occasions.
Is this a bot? It's just repeating the same thing over and over in slightly different ways.
The Romulans have a knack for design.
Superb videos on these Spacecraft?, my favs!!!
The bird is my almost loved Ship in star trek. The best and coooolest design of star trek .i love the klingons!!!!. Yeah. Ok.. borg cube and borg also cool.
Agreed!
Thanks a lot for the effort, another amazing video! There is a typo visible at 10:55, where instead of "Arsenal Room" it says "Aersal Room".
Thanks for that! I guess my spell check software didn't pick that one up.
Yes!!! Been waiting for this one!
Enjoy
There was also the K'Vort class Battlecruiser variant that was essentially a B'Rel, but 5 times the size.
Fantastic video but female officers did serve. It was on the movie it's in DS9 and it's in Star Trek TNG .
Its something that the Klingon dog christopher Lloyd's character was petting wasnt still on the ship, eatting klingon rats, that may have contaminated the SF bay , along with the fact you gotta wonder howrhe whales breathed , or how tome travel affected them.
Great video! I love your detailed look into one of my favorite ships!
Thanks for the compliments!
my favorite scifi ship
I swear, I saw the battery room and thought "Ah, that's where they keep the barrels of bloodwine".
I love your videos. There’s a couple things you do miss though. First off what you showed is not a D7. I think it’s either a D5 or a D6.
The other thing that you probably didn’t realize is the bird of prey is a crossover technology with tech trade with the Romulans, which is where they got the cloaking device. Of course clean eventually converted their version of cooking device to fit their needs, and Romulans eventually moved away from using Klingon ships .
I couldn't find a D7 3d model, so I was using a D5-6 ship instead.
@@Halfscreen Makes sense
I like the model personally. Wish they used it in Enterprise.
I like how the BoP is capact and efficient like the defiant
Qa’Pla!!!!!! I shall down a barrel of your best bloodwine as I watch this video as it takes us to GLORRRRYYYY!!!!
The D-12 class birds of prey have this spaceframe design, but they were retired from service because of defective plasma coils, which is part of the cloaking device.
Thanks for this. I always wondered where they put those whales. Also, this style of ship seemed to come in various sizes (you mentioned the B'Rel for example). Can you give us a video that depicts the various sizes of the BoP? As for Klingon women on board ships, several folks here mention Mara from TOS "Day of the Dove" as well as Klingon women from TNG. I wonder if this can be explained as a feature of various Klingon Houses (family/ klan/ etc....) who crewed Imperial ships as they saw fit...? Thoughts, anyone?
I recommend checking out EC Henry video on the different sizes. th-cam.com/video/7WUAldRvUY0/w-d-xo.html&t
I thing I have noticed about researching ST relative books and technical manual is information given is not always consistent. The manual I read said no women are not allowed, but many of the audience mentioned that isn't correct, women are supposedly allowed.
Women were on Klingon ships whenever the Director said so! ;)
Great Work 🥳🥳🥳 Thank You 💜💜💜
Thank you! Cheers!
A Klingon Bird of Prey is a rugged, versatile, all weather brawler. KAP-LA!!!
I like the bird of prey; it reminds me of a hunter killer submarine; not a capital ship by any means, but stealthy and powerful.
I always thought the bridge design should denote his/her bath rooms, and a loung/ food / drink service like a long range train does. Because if as in the real world you have a long shift some comfort is needed.
As much as i like the iconic design of the BoP, i always found it to be too small for a practical space ship, even a pure war ship. Size fits more to a planetary defense or patrol craft.
That's sort of what it is. The Klingons most often use the Bird of Prey as a cheap, expendable patrol ship. The fact that it has a cloak makes it useful for ambush attacks, and in numbers they can swarm, but they're not useful for much else.
Kind of like the 20 meter long torpedo boats built in droves during WWII~
Comparable to the Corvette class of warships in WWII. Small but often able to punch above their weight class. Or maybe more like a U-boat given their steath using the cloaking device. Similarly cramped accomodations.
Fantastic! Can’t wait till you do a real D-7.