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In canon there are multiple versions of the Bird of Prey, which resulted in different hull sizes and layouts. The B'rel and K'vort classes are just two of them that have been put on screen.
Yep. Unlike the Feds who in most cases had to come up with an entirely new hull design for each ship, the Klingons found one that worked great, and just scaled it up as needed. And IIRC, it was the D-7 that they shared with the Romulans, who had their own 'Bird of Prey' design.
@@VulpisFoxfire The Kilingon Bird of Prey was actually a Romulan/Klingon collaboration design.. which is why it has the avian features such as the feather looking hull plates etc
yes the IKS Rotarran was considered the bigger end of the classes of birds of prey, i doubt anyone would want to mess with that ship especially if General Martok was in command, its a dominion war veteran ship with a battle-hardened crew, a ship of veteran warriors
@@Halfscreen It certainly does, and even adds to how cool the whole gimmick was on the movie PLUS to the care you put into scaling these ships for the videos.
fun fact, the D4 concept was used in the amazing Age of the Federation mod for sins of a solar empire by Stellar Parallax studios. Even if you don't play, the model work for these forgotten ENT era ships is gorgeous.
There are many examples of Klingon women serving on military vessels. See the TNG episode from Season 2 where Riker serves on a Bird of Prey or many scenes from the Klingon Civil War in later seasons. If there is a lack of gender separation on their ships, it’s probably because it isn’t deemed important to them.
I was thinking the same thing. Also, I remember Klingon beds just being slabs of concrete with no sheets or pillows, unlike what he’s showing here. Also, a sick bay on a Klingon ship?? I don’t think this dude understands what the Klingons are about
@@Mac10Daddy Klingons want to die in battle, not from illness or workshop accidents. A warrior maintains his weapon, and the most important weapon is the man holding the blade.
@@Mac10Daddy There was a cramped little sick bay on the HMS Bounty in star trek III. Agreed on the beds, though I'd thought they were made of duranium.
I'd love to travel around in a Bird of Prey in the Star Trek universe. I'd have to make a few modifications for my own personal tastes. I think it's a great ship!
Also need to take into account the difference between the b'rel en k'vort class birds of prey. There is no ''THE'' Klingon bird of prey. The b'rel was a small scout ship, mainly from the tos movies. But the k'vort as seen in TNG is a much larger version of the bird of prey, even though it looks pretty much exactly the same as the b'rel from the outside.
@@jaredcolon4535 There was a K'vort in DS9 "Penumbra," and the DS9 technical manual gives some background, including info on its 4 disruptor cannons and 2 torpedo launchers vs the B'rel's 2 cannon and 1 launcher.
It's mostly beta cannon, as it is never explicitly said in TNG, but almost all birds of prey from TNG are considered k'vort class and not b'rel. The 'vorn' , the 'rotarran' , the 'pagh', the 'hegh'ta', and so on are all considered k'vort class in most alpha or beta canon sources... But the shows were always a bit vague about this up until the rotarran showed up, when it is made pretty clear it's a k'vort and not a b'rel.
@@johanwittens7712 In my head canon, I imagine there are heaps of different versions of the class, it being an old workhorse that's been refit and modernized for upward of a century, and B'rel and K'vort are simply the most prominent subclasses in the TOS and TNG eras respectively. There might be actual evidence of this, or I might be making it up. I'm a bit foggy on the details. :P
@@auturgicflosculator2183 I just tend to ignore the size figure from the Tech Manual, however. There's no real consistent evidence the K'Vort is larger than 350 meters long, outside of that. And the B'Rel/D-12 etc, all average about 100 to 139 meters long, despite what the video implies. And with six decks or so (for general audience) As for how many variants, at least two, but could be five plus. How much they vary in size depends on personal opinion. Also, Johan Wittens - when was it made clear, about the Rotarran?
I noted your bridge layout vastly different then the Klingon Ship we have seen and spent the most time with on screen. The B'rel Class ship the IKS Rotarran which we see in 13 episodes of DS9 and served through the Dominion War of the 2370's. Edit: Women have been shown within the KDF since TOS in the 1960s, the movies, TNG, DS9, Voy, Enterprise, and all new Trek.
@@Halfscreen Since the Klingon Military isn't as uniformed as the federations, different bridge configurations could be present on vessels of the same class, since maybe a house produces them differently or the captain of this vessel wanted them to be different.
Once again, thanks a whole ton for this. Awesome job. I have to admit it's weird to see their bridge with the off center orientation, but nothing makes me chuckle more than the idea of them having a laundry room. That's just hilarious to me.
@@Halfscreen it was also one design, perhaps of a sub-class. Remember the BOP bridge design changed to what we saw commonly in Star Trek V and forward. We can deduct that Commander Kruge may have customized it to his liking, as there the ‘HMS Bounty’ had a more traditional arrangement. We may assume the components were in storage.
@@Halfscreen And was not expecting it to be scaled this small, either. Much of the time it seems between 100 and 150 meters, in Star Trek 3 onward. 450 feet was the 'official scale' given in the Haynes Bird of Prey Manual, too. Which depicts six to seven decks, also - in a very different layout. Have to say the cargo bay and corridor are pretty detailed and similar to the movie set, in that book - if maybe overscaled. Was this based on a FASA or Jackill deckplan?
One thing that doesn’t get mentioned is why the bridge of Kruge’s bird of prey looks completely different between STIII and STIV. In my own head canon I suppose that there was heavy damage done to the ship and the Vulcans couldn’t repair to Klingon standard so they retrofitted the ship with Vulcan parts.
I have a Model I assembled back in 1998. I love the bird design. It has an organic look to it. While a Federation starship looks more like a floating hotel or a floating hospital.
Nice work. But correction to this video and the previous video regarding the length of the Enterprise. The original Constitution Class was 288m. The refit, including the Enterprise A was 305m. Also, the D7 was 228m, not 288m. It makes a difference in scaling so double check your sources. Remember some official material has been misprinted and it found its way to the internet resources. The information I am familiar with pre-dates the DS9 Technical Manual where the mistake originated.
"Women were not allowed in the Klingon Self Defense Force".... So, I guess all the female Klingons we see in the movies and shows were, what, passengers? Did you NOT see the boobs on the first officer of the Klingon ship in ST5? Multiple female Klingons serving on ships in TNG? DS9? VOY? LITERALLY EVERY SERIES EXCEPT TOS?
The bridge of the TOS Enterprise was angled 30° or so off the centerline of the ship. The turbolift was facing aft. (This was, of course, for better camera setups in a TV series.)
You do realize that there are multiple size variants of the 'bird of prey' ship do you? As well as ALL romulan ship classes the klingon versions vary in size dimension with additions to their size variations there are more decks on larger versions of the celebrated ships and hold true to all aesthetic of the ship represented accurately in different overall scale, it is absolutely incredible engineering, after all romulans are of vulcan descent.
Engine plates... sigh. This is what you get when you ask someone with an arts degree to design a starship, and then get smarter people to retcon it as best they can. Also, you showed a D4 rather than the D7 K'Tinga I think you were trying for.
Well, at least I try, I don't claim to be an expert at both genres but love the art and science of SW and ST genres. BTW, I don't have an art degree and never went to school for animation or 3D modeling, oddly enough, I have a degree in business.
Redundancy is not wasteful for a combat vessel. A damaged vessel can keep on fighting. Perhaps not quite as effectively, but a Bird of Prey at 60% is still a formidable warship. For a real world example, take a look at the Fairchild Republic A-10 Warthog attack/close air support jet.
Umm... not a single room in this video visually matches the layouts seen in any of the movies or TV shows. Making categorically wrong statements like no women warriors shows an egregious lack of research & understanding the source material. Klingon females regularly served alongside the males as warriors in equal capacity, and are frequently seen in the movies and throughout the shows. Whatever led you to believe otherwise was flat-out incorrect. Apart from the fact that there are several different bridge layouts seen between Star Trek III and IV and V and TNG and DS9, none of them have the console and door placement seen here. The engineering spaces were also radically different, and the cargo bay converted to hold the whales was very clearly positioned on the starboard side in the movie, with plexiglass partitions installed around the room to create the front and port walls of the tank. I dare say it looks like you have never watched Star Trek at all, only going so far as to skim over the Memory Alpha page... if even that much. This "layout" is nonsensical, doesn't even remotely approximate canon, and appears to be entirely improvised by a non-fan for clickbait video purposes.
With races like the Klingons and the Romulans they were the only ones that we never saw what their Photon torpedoes looked like unlike with the Federation whose torpedoes look identical to the class 8 and 9 probes.
The bird of prey Romulan / vulcan design is the most survivable ship design in the universe in battle as far as redundancy and weapons potential potency as well as it's surprise attack ability, also its profile is harder to target at a distance than any other ship because of the boom design and it's detachability, the wings as physical deflectors in multiple positions offer special maneuvers during combat that a skilled pilot can create movements in battle sequence that are highly elusive. Another key is klingon red energy based weapon design and extra potency and vile out of range ballistics potential when fired at speed out of range can still paint target with it's shields down, cloaking upon firing a high powered red energy photon torpedos are highly dangerous, as the weaponry's energy is highly unstable and offers an erratic spiking energy potency.
One of the most beautiful, efficient and well designed ship of the entire Star Trek series. And if this double system was waste, I think not, which allowed this ship to serve for centuries, while Federation replaced designs like gloves.
Others have mentioned the multiple sizes thing and the presence of female officers, so I eon't get into that, but I'm surprised no mention was made about where the Bird of Prey's warp engines are. (I always thought they were just housed in the same part of the ship as the impulse engines (based on where the camera zooms in when they go back in time in STIV), but apparently they're the wings, and the feather plates are just differently-shaped warp coils.) Also, your 8.6 must be on the new scale; we know the ship got up to at least 9.9 when it went back in time.
System redundancy is good in a combat ship in case something is damaged. Maybe the Klingons got this idea from their anatomy. In the ST-TNG episode when Worf's spine was broken in a cargo moving accident, the anatomical backups saved Worf's life.
Thanks for this. I always wondered where they put those whales. Also, this style of ship seemed to come in various sizes (you mentioned the B'Rel for example). Can you give us a video that depicts the various sizes of the BoP? As for Klingon women on board ships, several folks here mention Mara from TOS "Day of the Dove" as well as Klingon women from TNG. I wonder if this can be explained as a feature of various Klingon Houses (family/ klan/ etc....) who crewed Imperial ships as they saw fit...? Thoughts, anyone?
I recommend checking out EC Henry video on the different sizes. th-cam.com/video/7WUAldRvUY0/w-d-xo.html&t I thing I have noticed about researching ST relative books and technical manual is information given is not always consistent. The manual I read said no women are not allowed, but many of the audience mentioned that isn't correct, women are supposedly allowed.
The Klingon Bird Of Prey is easily my favorite Star Trek ship. All the variants included. Can you imagine a Battleship-Class or a Dreadnought-Class Bird Of Prey?
Dude you got the size of the Enterprise A all wrong you compared her size to that of the T.O.S. Enterprise but the Enterprise A was a Constitution Refit Class Starship and she was twice her original size she was over 300 meters long and probably about nearly 200 meters wide about nearly 100 meters in height.
@@briananthony4044 You should watch this video on the design history of the Constitution Refit Class where it said with the development in warp speed technology including the development of the vertical warp core when the Enterprise was redesigned and refitted they expanded the cargo bay area to accommodate the new core and expanding the shuttle Bay which included the new warp engine pylons which increased the size of the ship from 289 meters to 305 meters and it was all because of Admiral Nagura who not only approved the design and construction of the Miranda Class but also the Constitution Refit Class to help save face in the eyes of the citizens of U.F.P. member worlds as it is known that the Enterprise was the first of the Constitution Class to successfully return from her historic 5 years mission under the command of Captain Kirk and the ship was named the Federation Flagship because of it and became a hero ship to the people of the Federation and that was why the Enterprise was chosen to be the Prototype for all the newest technologies the Federation had developed from new shields to computer upgrades to phaser and photon torpedo designs to the vertical warp core and it is also a known fact to install all those new technologies into the Enterprise she had to be stripped down to her superstructure in order for it to happen so in other words the Enterprise was completely rebuilt into a larger more powerful ship and all the original Constitution Class Starships were decommissioned and new ships were built as the Constitution Refit Class since it would take 18 months to redesign and Refit every ship of the class like they did to the Enterprise.
The Klingon Bird of prey has a storage area design for really fresh food. To the Klingons, Fresh Food means living creatures. Klingons like to slaughter their food before eating it. It is likely that the larger creatures were set aside for important occasions. Likely due to reversing Federation technology, the Klingon Birds of Prey were able to store meat and other types of foods in refrigerators to free vital space.. Still a large part of the Cargo area is design for live food. It is likely that most of the live food are small food creatures which are vital to the Klingon diet. Still some large creatures were kept alive for important occasions. Around the time of the Bow Arrow Incident, a large amount of space was literally set aside for live food, By the late 24th Century, The Klingons were able to store more meat and other types of food in refrigerators. The Klingons have a reason for having refrigerators. Merely to free up more space. Still if a Klingon Crew have a choice between live food and refrigerating food, they will chose live food over refrigerating food. It is likely that on some ships, the Klingons have started to use replicators. They are using replicators to free up the space normally set aside for the storage of live food. Still a part of one of the cargo holds are set aside for live food esp. for the live smaller creatures. Yet some of the space has been set aside for the larger live food is meant for important occasions.
A fun, and relatively easy inside look would be one of the Normandy ships from the Mass Effect series. Seeing as the franchise is getting another game might be worth the effort to get a few interested clicks.
some BoP's also have a holodeck for training the warriors, also redundancy of ship systems is actually a pretty smart idea if one goes down then the back up can take over unless it too gets destroyed! also female Klingons do serve on Klingon ships whether or not they are officially KSDF (Klingon self defense force) members or not they are still partially crewed by female warriors as well as the men in some ships.
The Klingon Bird of Prey is a awesome starship design, it can be crewed by as few of 7, Male and Female Klingon warriors, it's usually it's crewed by 12, but it can be crewed by 36, Klingon warriors.
@@blackbelt2000 Man that drives me nuts! I REALLY need those primary bridge positions and view screen to face forward or make the entire ship a saucer ha.
Some interesting behind-the-scenes points about the Bird of Prey, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, the original story idea was that this was going to feature the Romulans as antagonists, and the Bird of Prey was originally going to be a Romulan ship. But, Leonard Nimoy, actor and the director of this film, wanted to feature Klingons, so there were scenes slated to have Kruge and his men capture a Romulan Bird of Prey. But this would've lengthened the movie, and was deemed overall pointless to the movie, so it was called a Klingon Bird of Prey. So, Nimoy got what he wanted. And, besides, another issue concerning the Romulans was that the general audience, not all of whom were Trekkies, might not fully know who the Romulans are, and would likely confuse them with the Vulcans. Nimoy also needed a ship for Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov to be able to commandeer. They couldn't go with a classic Klingon D-7 ship, seen in the original series and then updated for that initial scene in The Motion Picture. It's too big, has much more crew, and even if Kirk somehow Kirked his way into commandeering that ship, it's not believable that only five people would be able to man this thing and bring it to Vulcan, not without alerting Starfleet to its presence. If you'll note, in the Original Series, Klingon ships did not have a cloaking device. There's also the issue of believability when the wounded Enterprise, only on automation, would be able to take on a Klingon D-7 Battlecruiser. During story development, Nimoy needed a smaller enemy vessel. The need for it to land was a bonus.
Don't know where you got your info, the B'Rel class was the smaller class, the one you show throughout most of the video should be B'Rel. K'Vort class bird of prey were significantly larger. All B.O.P's had warp drive. Otherwise they would have been confined to one system, or requiring a mother vessel.
Its something that the Klingon dog christopher Lloyd's character was petting wasnt still on the ship, eatting klingon rats, that may have contaminated the SF bay , along with the fact you gotta wonder howrhe whales breathed , or how tome travel affected them.
Exactly, this video used the one concept for the bridge that we NEVER see in any of the movies or shows. I am not 100% positive, but I can't recall ever seeing any version of this bridge used anywhere. Almost all of them had the main door directly behind the bridge, with a tactile style console behind the Capt's chair and consoles along both walls on either side of the bridge. Even if you face everyone forward, this still wouldn't represent any Klingon bridge we've seen.
there's 4 different "Klingon Bird-of-prey",Much like how the TOS era D7 design was taken and scaled up for the K't'inga-class... same exterior but different overall size and deck layout... K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class, and Class 5.
K so not even 4 min in and already two huge errors------first, your scale model is waayyyy to big if it's only three decks, and in the comparison, that's not a D-7, that's John Eaves' D-4. Also the D-7 is 228m long, not 288m. Also also, numerous female Klingons have been shown on screen as being crewmembers. Lastly, "document safe" made me actually laugh--like, why????? It's a shame when you put SO much work into these vids without getting the details right.
Not sure where you got the dimensions from. It's always been a point of contention since there are different sizes of Bird of Prey, however the smaller classes, such as D12 and the more advanced B'Rel class were 109 metres in length. 51 meters is far, far too small.
Wait. Wait. Wait. Hold your RCS thruster! If this class of ship DID NOT HAVE a warp core then how the hell did it accelerate to warp speed to do its infamous "Slingshot-effect" around Sol to send it into the past. For without a WARP DRIVE it couldn't achieve warp speed...
Klingon civil rights history indicates women had partial privileges w the KDF in the 22nd CE, & fuller priv in the 24th, Star Trek Online suggests full officer priv by the 25th.
0:22 “beginning life as a romulans starship” I assume by this you mean the designation “bird of prey” was a romulans starship designation…not the SHIP ITSELF. As early iterations of Klingon ships as seen in enterprise show a CLEAR LINEAGE of design …. Whilst there is references in behind the scenes discussions that Star Trek three villains were originally intended to be romulans instead of Klingons…the display computers were all showing Klingon text etc. And sulu clearly referred to the declaiming ship as a KLINGON bird of prey…
You can go into battle with this or a Marauder Corvette. Which one would ya chose. And when I say Marauder I speak of one that holds 10 to 13 fights . ( from the Star Wars galaxy). Not the shuttle but the Corvette class Also would you pick a x wing or viper 2 . If we could mix match from different universe .??.
Love the bird of prey ..it's the stars WWII sub It rocks and still scares federation..and new ability to fire while clocked .best gesture ever ..long live the great white of the stars
As much as i like the iconic design of the BoP, i always found it to be too small for a practical space ship, even a pure war ship. Size fits more to a planetary defense or patrol craft.
That's sort of what it is. The Klingons most often use the Bird of Prey as a cheap, expendable patrol ship. The fact that it has a cloak makes it useful for ambush attacks, and in numbers they can swarm, but they're not useful for much else.
Comparable to the Corvette class of warships in WWII. Small but often able to punch above their weight class. Or maybe more like a U-boat given their steath using the cloaking device. Similarly cramped accomodations.
@@Halfscreen no biggie they are quite similar. the internal layout of the BOP is quite different from other sources i've seen. did you use a particular source or just your own imagination?
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Hi Half, even the most Xenophobic Romulan wants to ride in a B.O.P.
In canon there are multiple versions of the Bird of Prey, which resulted in different hull sizes and layouts. The B'rel and K'vort classes are just two of them that have been put on screen.
Yep. Unlike the Feds who in most cases had to come up with an entirely new hull design for each ship, the Klingons found one that worked great, and just scaled it up as needed. And IIRC, it was the D-7 that they shared with the Romulans, who had their own 'Bird of Prey' design.
@@VulpisFoxfire The Kilingon Bird of Prey was actually a Romulan/Klingon collaboration design.. which is why it has the avian features such as the feather looking hull plates etc
yes the IKS Rotarran was considered the bigger end of the classes of birds of prey, i doubt anyone would want to mess with that ship especially if General Martok was in command, its a dominion war veteran ship with a battle-hardened crew, a ship of veteran warriors
I love the fact that you placed the whales from the movie there, and even gave them size.
I think it gives a better perspective imo.
@@Halfscreen It certainly does, and even adds to how cool the whole gimmick was on the movie PLUS to the care you put into scaling these ships for the videos.
My favorite ship
Nice video about star trek time lines... you seem to have accidently edited in some content lol
That "D-7" you used in the video at about 4:00 is actually a D-4 Concept that was created for ST: ENT but was never used.
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There are many examples of Klingon women serving on military vessels. See the TNG episode from Season 2 where Riker serves on a Bird of Prey or many scenes from the Klingon Civil War in later seasons. If there is a lack of gender separation on their ships, it’s probably because it isn’t deemed important to them.
I was thinking the same thing. Also, I remember Klingon beds just being slabs of concrete with no sheets or pillows, unlike what he’s showing here. Also, a sick bay on a Klingon ship?? I don’t think this dude understands what the Klingons are about
@@Mac10Daddy Klingons want to die in battle, not from illness or workshop accidents. A warrior maintains his weapon, and the most important weapon is the man holding the blade.
The TOS season 3 episode "Day of the Dove" featured Mara, a Klingon female who was the ship's science officer and wife of Kang, the ship's commander.
@@MrWhipple42 that episode was on H&I this evening
@@Mac10Daddy There was a cramped little sick bay on the HMS Bounty in star trek III. Agreed on the beds, though I'd thought they were made of duranium.
The HMS Bounty is my favorite starship in the Trek universe. Not because it was powerful, but because you could fly it with 12 of your friends.
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I love this ship! It’s even better knowing the interior now. Thanks Halfscreen!
No problem!
The Bird of Prey is always my favourite ship in the Star Trek universe.
Imagine doing laundry duty on these ships ?. I was surprised to even see a laundry room.
I'd love to travel around in a Bird of Prey in the Star Trek universe. I'd have to make a few modifications for my own personal tastes. I think it's a great ship!
Also need to take into account the difference between the b'rel en k'vort class birds of prey. There is no ''THE'' Klingon bird of prey. The b'rel was a small scout ship, mainly from the tos movies. But the k'vort as seen in TNG is a much larger version of the bird of prey, even though it looks pretty much exactly the same as the b'rel from the outside.
I always assumed the k'vort didn't actually exist in the prime time line only the yesterday's enterprise timeline
@@jaredcolon4535 There was a K'vort in DS9 "Penumbra," and the DS9 technical manual gives some background, including info on its 4 disruptor cannons and 2 torpedo launchers vs the B'rel's 2 cannon and 1 launcher.
It's mostly beta cannon, as it is never explicitly said in TNG, but almost all birds of prey from TNG are considered k'vort class and not b'rel. The 'vorn' , the 'rotarran' , the 'pagh', the 'hegh'ta', and so on are all considered k'vort class in most alpha or beta canon sources...
But the shows were always a bit vague about this up until the rotarran showed up, when it is made pretty clear it's a k'vort and not a b'rel.
@@johanwittens7712 In my head canon, I imagine there are heaps of different versions of the class, it being an old workhorse that's been refit and modernized for upward of a century, and B'rel and K'vort are simply the most prominent subclasses in the TOS and TNG eras respectively. There might be actual evidence of this, or I might be making it up. I'm a bit foggy on the details. :P
@@auturgicflosculator2183 I just tend to ignore the size figure from the Tech Manual, however. There's no real consistent evidence the K'Vort is larger than 350 meters long, outside of that.
And the B'Rel/D-12 etc, all average about 100 to 139 meters long, despite what the video implies. And with six decks or so (for general audience)
As for how many variants, at least two, but could be five plus. How much they vary in size depends on personal opinion.
Also, Johan Wittens - when was it made clear, about the Rotarran?
I noted your bridge layout vastly different then the Klingon Ship we have seen and spent the most time with on screen. The B'rel Class ship the IKS Rotarran which we see in 13 episodes of DS9 and served through the Dominion War of the 2370's.
Edit: Women have been shown within the KDF since TOS in the 1960s, the movies, TNG, DS9, Voy, Enterprise, and all new Trek.
Schematic doesn't necessary match movies or series.
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@@Halfscreen Since the Klingon Military isn't as uniformed as the federations, different bridge configurations could be present on vessels of the same class, since maybe a house produces them differently or the captain of this vessel wanted them to be different.
@@riesenbonobo7846 I heard there are several different types of configuration for the BoP.
Once again, thanks a whole ton for this. Awesome job. I have to admit it's weird to see their bridge with the off center orientation, but nothing makes me chuckle more than the idea of them having a laundry room. That's just hilarious to me.
Glad you enjoyed it and yes, the bridge is definitely an odd design.
Yeah I’m not sure it’s actually a laundry room. Probably something discreet. lol
@@Halfscreen it was also one design, perhaps of a sub-class. Remember the BOP bridge design changed to what we saw commonly in Star Trek V and forward. We can deduct that Commander Kruge may have customized it to his liking, as there the ‘HMS Bounty’ had a more traditional arrangement. We may assume the components were in storage.
@@Firefox13A it’s where they store the BloodWine😂😂😂
@@Halfscreen And was not expecting it to be scaled this small, either. Much of the time it seems between 100 and 150 meters, in Star Trek 3 onward. 450 feet was the 'official scale' given in the Haynes Bird of Prey Manual, too.
Which depicts six to seven decks, also - in a very different layout.
Have to say the cargo bay and corridor are pretty detailed and similar to the movie set, in that book - if maybe overscaled.
Was this based on a FASA or Jackill deckplan?
One thing that doesn’t get mentioned is why the bridge of Kruge’s bird of prey looks completely different between STIII and STIV. In my own head canon I suppose that there was heavy damage done to the ship and the Vulcans couldn’t repair to Klingon standard so they retrofitted the ship with Vulcan parts.
My opinion is that the ST IV bridge, which was about half the size of the ST III bridge, was the ship's aux bridge.
5 min vulcanizer is probably what they used. Lol
My opinion is they put in 25 watt bulbs instead of 15...
It was quickly re-configured by the script crew. 😀
I lost it at “Whale Storage Room”! 😂🤣😂 Well Done!
I have a Model I assembled back in 1998. I love the bird design. It has an organic look to it. While a Federation starship looks more like a floating hotel or a floating hospital.
Nice work. But correction to this video and the previous video regarding the length of the Enterprise. The original Constitution Class was 288m. The refit, including the Enterprise A was 305m. Also, the D7 was 228m, not 288m. It makes a difference in scaling so double check your sources. Remember some official material has been misprinted and it found its way to the internet resources. The information I am familiar with pre-dates the DS9 Technical Manual where the mistake originated.
The "main power plates" are actually the warp coils.
Or if you go by the Haynes guide the wings are warp plates.
Ah so that's where the warp drive is!
"Women were not allowed in the Klingon Self Defense Force"....
So, I guess all the female Klingons we see in the movies and shows were, what, passengers? Did you NOT see the boobs on the first officer of the Klingon ship in ST5? Multiple female Klingons serving on ships in TNG? DS9? VOY? LITERALLY EVERY SERIES EXCEPT TOS?
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I have always imagined that the whales were in the middle, not on one side like in this video.
The bridge facing to port is really, really, REALLY strange! Never seen that before!
It's an odd design, no doubt.
The bridge of the TOS Enterprise was angled 30° or so off the centerline of the ship. The turbolift was facing aft. (This was, of course, for better camera setups in a TV series.)
Then enterprise A = 305 m long; there are different sizes for the bird of prey - in TNG/DS9 it is motly the 110-m-version
You do realize that there are multiple size variants of the 'bird of prey' ship do you? As well as ALL romulan ship classes the klingon versions vary in size dimension with additions to their size variations there are more decks on larger versions of the celebrated ships and hold true to all aesthetic of the ship represented accurately in different overall scale, it is absolutely incredible engineering, after all romulans are of vulcan descent.
Yes, but I just wanted to focus on one for this video.
Engine plates... sigh. This is what you get when you ask someone with an arts degree to design a starship, and then get smarter people to retcon it as best they can.
Also, you showed a D4 rather than the D7 K'Tinga I think you were trying for.
Well, at least I try, I don't claim to be an expert at both genres but love the art and science of SW and ST genres.
BTW, I don't have an art degree and never went to school for animation or 3D modeling, oddly enough, I have a degree in business.
I think we see multiple female Klingon officers in ds9? Love your channel!
Always curious as to where the warp core was. Looks like the wales ate it.
Warp Whales?!
The defiant laid its warp core on its side. Is it possible they did the same with the bird of prey ?
@@matthewcaughey8898 And the warp induction conduits are...and the nacelles are... nah the whales ate them.
Redundancy is not wasteful for a combat vessel. A damaged vessel can keep on fighting. Perhaps not quite as effectively, but a Bird of Prey at 60% is still a formidable warship. For a real world example, take a look at the Fairchild Republic A-10 Warthog attack/close air support jet.
Umm... not a single room in this video visually matches the layouts seen in any of the movies or TV shows. Making categorically wrong statements like no women warriors shows an egregious lack of research & understanding the source material. Klingon females regularly served alongside the males as warriors in equal capacity, and are frequently seen in the movies and throughout the shows. Whatever led you to believe otherwise was flat-out incorrect.
Apart from the fact that there are several different bridge layouts seen between Star Trek III and IV and V and TNG and DS9, none of them have the console and door placement seen here.
The engineering spaces were also radically different, and the cargo bay converted to hold the whales was very clearly positioned on the starboard side in the movie, with plexiglass partitions installed around the room to create the front and port walls of the tank.
I dare say it looks like you have never watched Star Trek at all, only going so far as to skim over the Memory Alpha page... if even that much. This "layout" is nonsensical, doesn't even remotely approximate canon, and appears to be entirely improvised by a non-fan for clickbait video purposes.
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With races like the Klingons and the Romulans they were the only ones that we never saw what their Photon torpedoes looked like unlike with the Federation whose torpedoes look identical to the class 8 and 9 probes.
The bird of prey Romulan / vulcan design is the most survivable ship design in the universe in battle as far as redundancy and weapons potential potency as well as it's surprise attack ability, also its profile is harder to target at a distance than any other ship because of the boom design and it's detachability, the wings as physical deflectors in multiple positions offer special maneuvers during combat that a skilled pilot can create movements in battle sequence that are highly elusive. Another key is klingon red energy based weapon design and extra potency and vile out of range ballistics potential when fired at speed out of range can still paint target with it's shields down, cloaking upon firing a high powered red energy photon torpedos are highly dangerous, as the weaponry's energy is highly unstable and offers an erratic spiking energy potency.
Fantastic video but female officers did serve. It was on the movie it's in DS9 and it's in Star Trek TNG .
My favorite warship among all Star Trek vessels.
There are entirely too many pillows in this Klingon ship. :P
One of the most beautiful, efficient and well designed ship of the entire Star Trek series. And if this double system was waste, I think not, which allowed this ship to serve for centuries, while Federation replaced designs like gloves.
Very interesting and cool but you got a few things wrong.
Klingon men consider their women their partners in battle.
Bird of Prey...the most size changing vessel in history
the bird of prey is my favorite star trek ship! thanks again for another great video.
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Excellent work here Sir and your Team
Great video, as always! I always liked the little Bird of Prey. Versatile and useful ship.
Same here!
"Liitle?" - Worf
@@bloodfoxtriberc Well, it is one of the smaller ships in the Star Trek universe. ;)
8:38 DS9 showed women serving on klingon ships.
We've seen female Klingon soldiers more than a few times in TNG and DS9
And in the TOS season 3 episode "Day of the Dove."
I would love a cut awy tour of The Reliant from TWoK
Miranda class. Another ship with multiple types and looks.
Others have mentioned the multiple sizes thing and the presence of female officers, so I eon't get into that, but I'm surprised no mention was made about where the Bird of Prey's warp engines are. (I always thought they were just housed in the same part of the ship as the impulse engines (based on where the camera zooms in when they go back in time in STIV), but apparently they're the wings, and the feather plates are just differently-shaped warp coils.)
Also, your 8.6 must be on the new scale; we know the ship got up to at least 9.9 when it went back in time.
The thing I have come to realized about creating these animations are that facts and figures can varies greatly depending on the source materials.
Love seeing non-federation ships
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Great video thanks. 😊
You’re welcome 😊
System redundancy is good in a combat ship in case something is damaged.
Maybe the Klingons got this idea from their anatomy. In the ST-TNG episode when Worf's spine was broken in a cargo moving accident, the anatomical backups saved Worf's life.
Thanks for this. I always wondered where they put those whales. Also, this style of ship seemed to come in various sizes (you mentioned the B'Rel for example). Can you give us a video that depicts the various sizes of the BoP? As for Klingon women on board ships, several folks here mention Mara from TOS "Day of the Dove" as well as Klingon women from TNG. I wonder if this can be explained as a feature of various Klingon Houses (family/ klan/ etc....) who crewed Imperial ships as they saw fit...? Thoughts, anyone?
I recommend checking out EC Henry video on the different sizes. th-cam.com/video/7WUAldRvUY0/w-d-xo.html&t
I thing I have noticed about researching ST relative books and technical manual is information given is not always consistent. The manual I read said no women are not allowed, but many of the audience mentioned that isn't correct, women are supposedly allowed.
Women were on Klingon ships whenever the Director said so! ;)
So you're telling me Doc Brown built a time machine.. out of a Bird Of Prey?
The Klingon Bird Of Prey is easily my favorite Star Trek ship. All the variants included.
Can you imagine a Battleship-Class or a Dreadnought-Class Bird Of Prey?
Dude you got the size of the Enterprise A all wrong you compared her size to that of the T.O.S. Enterprise but the Enterprise A was a Constitution Refit Class Starship and she was twice her original size she was over 300 meters long and probably about nearly 200 meters wide about nearly 100 meters in height.
Nope, original about 290m, refit about 305m, hardly twice the size. I presume the swept pylons added the extra 15m.
@@briananthony4044 You should watch this video on the design history of the Constitution Refit Class where it said with the development in warp speed technology including the development of the vertical warp core when the Enterprise was redesigned and refitted they expanded the cargo bay area to accommodate the new core and expanding the shuttle Bay which included the new warp engine pylons which increased the size of the ship from 289 meters to 305 meters and it was all because of Admiral Nagura who not only approved the design and construction of the Miranda Class but also the Constitution Refit Class to help save face in the eyes of the citizens of U.F.P. member worlds as it is known that the Enterprise was the first of the Constitution Class to successfully return from her historic 5 years mission under the command of Captain Kirk and the ship was named the Federation Flagship because of it and became a hero ship to the people of the Federation and that was why the Enterprise was chosen to be the Prototype for all the newest technologies the Federation had developed from new shields to computer upgrades to phaser and photon torpedo designs to the vertical warp core and it is also a known fact to install all those new technologies into the Enterprise she had to be stripped down to her superstructure in order for it to happen so in other words the Enterprise was completely rebuilt into a larger more powerful ship and all the original Constitution Class Starships were decommissioned and new ships were built as the Constitution Refit Class since it would take 18 months to redesign and Refit every ship of the class like they did to the Enterprise.
The Klingon Bird of prey has a storage area design for really fresh food. To the Klingons, Fresh Food means living creatures. Klingons like to slaughter their food before eating it. It is likely that the larger creatures were set aside for important occasions. Likely due to reversing Federation technology, the Klingon Birds of Prey were able to store meat and other types of foods in refrigerators to free vital space.. Still a large part of the Cargo area is design for live food. It is likely that most of the live food are small food creatures which are vital to the Klingon diet. Still some large creatures were kept alive for important occasions.
Around the time of the Bow Arrow Incident, a large amount of space was literally set aside for live food, By the late 24th Century, The Klingons were able to store more meat and other types of food in refrigerators. The Klingons have a reason for having refrigerators. Merely to free up more space. Still if a Klingon Crew have a choice between live food and refrigerating food, they will chose live food over refrigerating food. It is likely that on some ships, the Klingons have started to use replicators. They are using replicators to free up the space normally set aside for the storage of live food. Still a part of one of the cargo holds are set aside for live food esp. for the live smaller creatures. Yet some of the space has been set aside for the larger live food is meant for important occasions.
Is this a bot? It's just repeating the same thing over and over in slightly different ways.
A fun, and relatively easy inside look would be one of the Normandy ships from the Mass Effect series. Seeing as the franchise is getting another game might be worth the effort to get a few interested clicks.
I will look into it.
Thank you very much, that was very interesting.
This is my favourite sci-fi ship ever.
Glad you enjoyed it!
some BoP's also have a holodeck for training the warriors, also redundancy of ship systems is actually a pretty smart idea if one goes down then the back up can take over unless it too gets destroyed! also female Klingons do serve on Klingon ships whether or not they are officially KSDF (Klingon self defense force) members or not they are still partially crewed by female warriors as well as the men in some ships.
my favorite scifi ship
The Klingon Bird of Prey is a awesome starship design, it can be crewed by as few of 7, Male and Female Klingon warriors, it's usually it's crewed by 12, but it can be crewed by 36, Klingon warriors.
So weird how the Bridge doesn't face forward like other ships. They're basically flying sideways.
The original Enterprise was like that as well. The whole bridge was angled towards the port side because of the position of the turbo lift.
@@blackbelt2000 Man that drives me nuts! I REALLY need those primary bridge positions and view screen to face forward or make the entire ship a saucer ha.
Some interesting behind-the-scenes points about the Bird of Prey, and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, the original story idea was that this was going to feature the Romulans as antagonists, and the Bird of Prey was originally going to be a Romulan ship. But, Leonard Nimoy, actor and the director of this film, wanted to feature Klingons, so there were scenes slated to have Kruge and his men capture a Romulan Bird of Prey. But this would've lengthened the movie, and was deemed overall pointless to the movie, so it was called a Klingon Bird of Prey. So, Nimoy got what he wanted. And, besides, another issue concerning the Romulans was that the general audience, not all of whom were Trekkies, might not fully know who the Romulans are, and would likely confuse them with the Vulcans.
Nimoy also needed a ship for Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, and Chekov to be able to commandeer. They couldn't go with a classic Klingon D-7 ship, seen in the original series and then updated for that initial scene in The Motion Picture. It's too big, has much more crew, and even if Kirk somehow Kirked his way into commandeering that ship, it's not believable that only five people would be able to man this thing and bring it to Vulcan, not without alerting Starfleet to its presence. If you'll note, in the Original Series, Klingon ships did not have a cloaking device. There's also the issue of believability when the wounded Enterprise, only on automation, would be able to take on a Klingon D-7 Battlecruiser. During story development, Nimoy needed a smaller enemy vessel. The need for it to land was a bonus.
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my favorite ship, thank you Sir.
Very welcome
Don't know where you got your info, the B'Rel class was the smaller class, the one you show throughout most of the video should be B'Rel. K'Vort class bird of prey were significantly larger. All B.O.P's had warp drive. Otherwise they would have been confined to one system, or requiring a mother vessel.
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Its something that the Klingon dog christopher Lloyd's character was petting wasnt still on the ship, eatting klingon rats, that may have contaminated the SF bay , along with the fact you gotta wonder howrhe whales breathed , or how tome travel affected them.
You're telling me the entire bridge crew is facing portside, instead of forward as always shown in movies/shows?
This was based on the schematic online, but there are many different variations of the ships, so the schematic and movies/shows don't always line up.
This guy makes a lot of stuff up
@@Mac10Daddy I really can't make this stuff up, it's on the schematic on the description.
Exactly, this video used the one concept for the bridge that we NEVER see in any of the movies or shows. I am not 100% positive, but I can't recall ever seeing any version of this bridge used anywhere. Almost all of them had the main door directly behind the bridge, with a tactile style console behind the Capt's chair and consoles along both walls on either side of the bridge. Even if you face everyone forward, this still wouldn't represent any Klingon bridge we've seen.
Since they're only using a viewscreen to view the outside how do you know which way the bridge is oriented?
Superb videos on these Spacecraft?, my favs!!!
there's 4 different "Klingon Bird-of-prey",Much like how the TOS era D7 design was taken and scaled up for the K't'inga-class... same exterior but different overall size and deck layout... K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class, and Class 5.
K so not even 4 min in and already two huge errors------first, your scale model is waayyyy to big if it's only three decks, and in the comparison, that's not a D-7, that's John Eaves' D-4. Also the D-7 is 228m long, not 288m. Also also, numerous female Klingons have been shown on screen as being crewmembers. Lastly, "document safe" made me actually laugh--like, why????? It's a shame when you put SO much work into these vids without getting the details right.
Not sure where you got the dimensions from. It's always been a point of contention since there are different sizes of Bird of Prey, however the smaller classes, such as D12 and the more advanced B'Rel class were 109 metres in length. 51 meters is far, far too small.
Wait. Wait. Wait. Hold your RCS thruster! If this class of ship DID NOT HAVE a warp core then how the hell did it accelerate to warp speed to do its infamous "Slingshot-effect" around Sol to send it into the past. For without a WARP DRIVE it couldn't achieve warp speed...
She's a beau I'll take 100 of them.
Klingon civil rights history indicates women had partial privileges w the KDF in the 22nd CE, & fuller priv in the 24th, Star Trek Online suggests full officer priv by the 25th.
0:22 “beginning life as a romulans starship”
I assume by this you mean the designation “bird of prey” was a romulans starship designation…not the SHIP ITSELF.
As early iterations of Klingon ships as seen in enterprise show a CLEAR LINEAGE of design ….
Whilst there is references in behind the scenes discussions that Star Trek three villains were originally intended to be romulans instead of Klingons…the display computers were all showing Klingon text etc.
And sulu clearly referred to the declaiming ship as a KLINGON bird of prey…
You can go into battle with this or a Marauder Corvette. Which one would ya chose. And when I say Marauder I speak of one that holds 10 to 13 fights . ( from the Star Wars galaxy). Not the shuttle but the Corvette class
Also would you pick a x wing or viper 2 . If we could mix match from different universe .??.
Are you planning doing one on the romulan D'deridex class
I will look into it.
How did the whales not drown, from not being able to breath? Wouldn't the ship be heavy on o n e side with all that water on one side of the ship?
I wonder what's the point of carrying whales in a klingon bird of prey !!! This is ridiculous.
Check almost any movie or series, women were and served on Birds of Prey in the Klingon Empire.
Love the bird of prey ..it's the stars WWII sub
It rocks and still scares federation..and new ability to fire while clocked
.best gesture ever ..long live the great white of the stars
We've seen 3 variants of the Klingon Bird of Prey in the Star Trek series from the K'Vort Class to the B'Rel Class to the D12 Class.
One of the best designed ships in ST universe. Through the main purpose of the wings seems to be to give it the bird appearance.
If it helps I've always heard that they are the warp nacelles they just look different due to different technology
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"Prayer, Mr.Saavik. Klingons don't take prisoners"
The federation are the king of redundancies just ask the Cardassians ...You sure you KNOW your Star Trek?
Disrupters are not a plasma weapon. It is a partial weapon like phasers.
Seems a crossover from the Romulan BofP which had plasma cannon, but that was an earlier class of ship.
Several mistakes in this video Klingon women serving and showing a D4 instead of the actual D7 for example
hmm where exactly did you get the bridge layout? doesn’t look right at all more importantly . No Warp Drive?
I like the bird of prey; it reminds me of a hunter killer submarine; not a capital ship by any means, but stealthy and powerful.
There was also the K'Vort class Battlecruiser variant that was essentially a B'Rel, but 5 times the size.
As much as i like the iconic design of the BoP, i always found it to be too small for a practical space ship, even a pure war ship. Size fits more to a planetary defense or patrol craft.
That's sort of what it is. The Klingons most often use the Bird of Prey as a cheap, expendable patrol ship. The fact that it has a cloak makes it useful for ambush attacks, and in numbers they can swarm, but they're not useful for much else.
Kind of like the 20 meter long torpedo boats built in droves during WWII~
Comparable to the Corvette class of warships in WWII. Small but often able to punch above their weight class. Or maybe more like a U-boat given their steath using the cloaking device. Similarly cramped accomodations.
A Klingon Bird of Prey is a rugged, versatile, all weather brawler. KAP-LA!!!
great video. just a small grip you used the D4 concept ship instead of the D7. beautiful ship but the scale really is highly debatable.
Didn't realized I used a D4 concept ship.
@@Halfscreen no biggie they are quite similar. the internal layout of the BOP is quite different from other sources i've seen. did you use a particular source or just your own imagination?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I have to use the schematic, otherwise, I'm a pretty sure fans of the show wouldn't like.
4:30 when Leonard Nimoy talked to the designers of the Bird of Prey, he wanted it to look like a bodybuilder flexing their muscles.
Adressing the elephant in the room.. why do spacecraft behave like aircraft? 🤔
The bird of prey is my favorite ship too besides the K-Tinga battle cruiser & vorcha attack cruiser.
The multiple redundancy in Klingon ship design makes sense because Klingon bodies are like that.
12 crew and 4 decks you mean.
Klingon women served in the KDF just like the men.