armysos.com.ua/donate/ Weeks ago we were able to travel to Poland and meet the people running ARMY SOS, they're providing essential equipment like helmets, armor and medical equipment to Ukrainian territorial defense forces fighting on the front line. These units were hastily assembled just months ago when the war started, many of the fighters are just civilians with limited training.
What if people voted that 2 people named Allen must die every tuesday is that a democracy worth being loyal too? A democracy that ignores the Non Aggression principle is a tyranical mob rule.
Just a shot in the dark, but a rapid collapse causes more chaos as the power and support structures crumble. One minute, you have a savings and passport, the next minute you don't. Then people get desperate and violent. An example of this would be the break up Yugoslavia in the 1990's. In the Star Wars universe, that would also put more dark side energy into the galaxy.
This is why Legends seems more realistic in the way the Empire died. It fell not just because of rebels but also due to warlords fighting each other. Even then, it took 20 years, and even after that a remnant survived to resurge into a new Empire when the republic weakened. On a different topic, I would argue that the United Federation of Planets Starfleet is the Empire's direct opposite, and even in the worst of times, they still managed to function and recover their territory.
1000%, the old EU made a ton of sense, it sounded like actual history where massive empires didn't just die in a year, but lingered on in some form for centuries some even a millenia. The fact all the self-seekinf Imperial warlords scrambled for power since Palpatine had no succession plan perfectly mimics the fracturing of Alexander's Empire, which coincidentally was also built by him and died with him just like Palpatine's.
I read in ww2 the British military spent more money on food and consumable products like cigarettes than ammunition. And they were fighting in several theaters and had a global presence with ten fleets and army's on 3 continents and a 7 year year conflict. . Makes you think. 12 million personnel. 4 million in administration or support roles.
That's the funny thing about logistics. To have a soldier fire a gun, you don't just need a person and a gun. You need to take care of every single thing a person needs to live, then ship it out into the middle of nowhere for them. Like, toilet paper. How can a soldier shoot their gun if he's too busy scratching an ass rash? X'D An army is a city sized group of people. So you need the amount of amenities a city provides for them.
I was in the Marines for 6 years. We had a saying "bullets don't fly without supply" Trust me being in 120+ degree heat and having no potable water or food will take you out of action fast. You can't fight without a supply line, that's been the bane of Hitler, Napoleon, and many other leaders throughout history
@@shanenolan8252the Brits also lacked a lot of ammo and SMG's during the war btw... And no they didn't have 12 million troops..... Colonial wise yes, actual British military.... No
You could argue that the bigger the military is, the more vulnerable it is when its command is decapitated. The imperial military was part of the top down structure of the empire, where the imperial throne controlled everything with so few intermediary authorities in the hiearchy. The empire lost a lot of leadership in the war with Palpatine, Tarkin, Vader, all the high ranking officers on both stars being killed. With a giant fleet, scattered, greedy for ressources and with no political legitimacy or any galaxy spanning unifying figure, internal battles are unavoidable.
Thats objectively false. Most militarys have a very CLEAR "Line of succession." The US Army for example had very robust officer corps and NCO Corps so much so that the highest enlisted ranks have more responsibilities than alot of commission ranks. If someone was to behead the US military. More heads would grow back in its place and business returns to normal almost immediately. The empire fell so quickly because palpatine designed it to be solely dependent on him. There was no "heir." To the throne. The line of succession didn't exist. And I paraphrase "If the Empire is unable to protect its emporer then it should not exist." All of palpatines contingency plans were punishments for failing to protect him.
@@roger632 well obviously. But that's not what I mean. The loss of a military "Supreme commander." Should never constitute a total loss. Palpatine designed the empire this way. Regardless of if the imperial fleet wasnt destroyed. The empire would have and did fall into chaos and disarray as moffs and warlords vyed for power in a galaxy where only one man had the power.
@@kingandros4819 that lore was partially retconed. Its how some of the Empire and Rebels saw it. What was really happening was, the Elites were being pulled back to the Unknown. The rest was setting in motion a conflict that would lure Luke Skywalker too Jack, and kill him with a massive explosion via setting off tons of Sith artifacts in the center of the planet. With next to no Imperial Force Users to fight Luke, the Empire was easy pickings.
Love the subtle Iron Sky reference just tucked in there. Also, mad respect for going to Poland despite the possible danger and highlighting the ordinary people doing what they can to help the Ukrainians. It's hard to know which organizations are legit and where the money donated will actually help people, so you doing this and talking about them helps alot to give them credibility.
The thing about massive militaries is that there’s a lot of officers that can easily go, “Fuck this.” And bail with whatever they got if things go even slightly south. And considering the general cowardice of some of the officers, it was probably a lot of people.
It always depends on the level of corruption in the military structure as well. If people see positions of power as mere stepping stones then they are more concerned about promotions and authority over a specific cause or even the well being of their nation or unit, then the foundation of that military will usually be shaky at best. When the leadership falls apart they are too busy trying to profit and leverage their own position rather than actually trying to save day.
Yes but to keep that power you would want to stay with ur part of the military especially if their loyal then hide and be captured by the rebs because of war crimes. That’s exactly what happened in legends and took a while until the Empire died kinda.
@@MrHattley Yeah, because Palpatine was preventing the Separatists from working effectively. Without him stopping them from making obvious improvements to command structure and tactics like a mental droid blockchain and _just never ceasing advancement forwards to really press the advantages an endless robot army has, the Republic would be fucked._ It's not really a fair comparison when one side is being actively hindered by a conspiracy of evil space wizards.
The entire concept of "Operation Cinder" strikes me as an Emergency retcon to paper over the fact that it would realistically take a bare minimum of 5-10 years for the imperial forces to completely collapse. "How, exactly did everything fall apart in.. (checks notes) ONE YEAR?!?" "Umm... it was the Emperor's secret contingency plan, of course!" "And the rebels never wondered what became of 25,000 enemy capital ships that basically vanished overnight?" "Nah."
Nah operation cinder was there to retcon and foreshadow Palpatine in rise of Skywalker. It was pretty dumb as it basically took away any humanity left in the imperial military by literally burning their own pro imperial worlds.
what people don't understand is yes a large military structure can collapse at blistering speed. in terms of SW Cannon I can see it falling in less than a couple years. considering the amount of waste that was talked about in cannon books (instead of keeping open cases of parts simply dumping for fresh full cases) items can go downhill fast. figure an ISD has about 40,000 people on board how long will food last or other supplies. and if those ships did scatter without recovering fightercraft they'd be easy targets not only that but how much infighting would take place among crews/ships yes in Legends it never truly fell as many ships would follow strong or smart leaders -- such as those that left with Pellion -- and would maintain as best as possible
It's funny people always assumed in the Wahammer 40k universe that the greatest strength of the Imperium was its soldiers or weapons or religious zelotry. I've always seen the true power of the Imperium to reside in its logistical capabilities.
Having worked in a military logistics unit before, y'all have the right of it. I'd rather have an army of a thousand men with a year's worth of supply than a million men with a week.
Yeah both a perfectly feasible outcomes but I think it's more of the Empire is differnt in both canons... In lenegds and A New Hope it's like the US of A in Diney Canon it's like the Russian Federation/ Late Soviet Union.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough not really In the cannon version and in legends both leadership is a "me first" system Very few of the ship commanders are great commanders Also even in the US military history there are times when supply chains are long and fragile
Disney Canon supplemental material has also depicted the Empire as struggling much more in the period between A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The Death Star's loss (both in terms of resources and talented officers) was a serious blow, which was followed up by an extensive ground war in which the Rebels briefly overran the Mid Rim. The Empire was victorious in a counter-offensive there, but it was still a costly distraction. Then the push to speed-build the second Death Star while fighting the regular war pushes the Imperial budget to its limit, to the point that Vader had to personally go beg Jabba the Hutt for a loan of resources. With all that context, it's not difficult to see how immediately losing the Death Star again AND the Emperor would send the Imperial military into logistical collapse. I actually prefer this interpretation to the Legends Empire, which seemed to have infinite money and an endless supply of WMDs and super-ships with no apparent maintenance costs. Losing the Death Star really HURT the Canon Empire. It mildly inconvenienced the Legends one.
Seeing the TIE pilot left behind at Endor actually feels pretty sad. The way they just slump in their seat is very realistic and tells you they know they are either dead or their life is over as they knew it. They either will freeze and suffocate in space , or be imprisoned in a rebel labour camp, working to death. Or so his COs would drill into him and his squadmates. Some joined the imperials because they just wanted to survive, a chance for a better life, purpose in a universe that seemed to be lacking any.
This is why I prefer legends over the current canon when it comes to the empire collapsing. The Empire is MASSIVE....there should be way more imperial factions, rogue warlords, and claimants to the empire. It should have taken years if not a couple of decades to be defeated by the new Republic, and solidified their hold on the galaxy .
With Palpatine, vader, and most if not all clone wars heroes and staff officers gone at the point of endor, it was all downhill from there. The smart ones either grabbed everything fungible in arms reach and fled to make a new life or changed flags to the Victor's who had an established chain of command and has the clear upper hand. There was practically no decisive figure for remains to rally around, almost all the competent ones with clout and authority died between yavin and endor with yavin killing off practically all of high command in one torpedo. The rest were usually too dump, violent, cruel, and or scheming to do the latter and even with legends they were all too happy to stab each other in the back to get ahead. It's rather easy to fall apart from there, theirs real world equivalents.
@@eddapultstab2078 even so there is still 8 grand moffs still after endor? Entire fleet commands admirals, battlegroups, planetary moffs, ISB , and not to mention fantical COMNOR. only a fraction of the top brass died on both death stars. Yes there would be some massive internal infighting, but now you are fighting dozens instead of one enemy. It turned a two player civil war into a 20-30 player civil war match. At some point imperial leaders or warlords will rise to be the faction lesser imperial officials and officers will join; pentastar alignment, zsinji, zero command, Eriadu authority, and teradoc union.
@@soontir_fel1816 but look at their sith based culture they are built upon! They are encouraged to stab each other in the back. And not just the grand moffs, every isb agent, ship captain, tie pilot and storm trooper captain is looking for their next big break. Not only that when you divide the empire you also divide their resources. As it was pointed out that a star destroyer needs monthly resupply, three months is the latest to even think it will still be combat effective. The rebels most of the time are targeting their weakest link anyway, their supply. The empires doctrine in force projection requires unlimited supply to their massive ship fleets. Now here's the reality of the situation, Palpatine is dead Vader is dead Endor was a high stakes gamble that pitted the cream of the empires crop against the rebels in ambush that failed miserably. Atleast 1 super stardestroyer was lost as well as multiple isds are lost and damaged. Most of the galaxy secretly hates them, aside from loyalist worlds, and are now being more vocal about it. Manufacturers and suppliers, who were nationalized at gunpoint, now have to decide which side to lean on: one has Atleast 2 major victories and has put the opposition on the run and the other run, or the side that's pure brutality, fiscally irresponsible and would nationalize them at gunpoint again at first opportunity. Operation cinder is initiated which is making even some hard-core imperials on changing sides while burning away any olive branches to maintain power, resources and revenue that's left for them. They are close to dead broke at this point, the banks have left them and they probably have terrible credit considering all the lost deathstars and star destroyers, moff Gideon got away because he had the foresight to rob mandalore for a war chest. The list goes on, including the number one rule: you got to make payroll! This is mountain's of issues and real life empires have collapsed for alot less.
@@eddapultstab2078 that just proves my point as why canon empire doesn't make sense anymore. They have made them weaker and easy for failure. Like if the empire was that backstabbing then it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did... 20 years later til endor? No way...it would have shattered much sooner In legends; The empire had millions of highly trained and battle hardened clones and some PDF forces, a restructured military academies, and fought not only the clone wars but also they reconquest campaigns against separatist holdout for another 3 years. Plus imperial fleet at endor was tiny....there is still thousands of ISDs, 11 more executor class star destroyers,hundred thousand more support vessels. Countless more depots,storage facilities, and other infrastructure. This is why even after crumbling and civil war so many imperial factions lasted for YEARS until they were unified under admiral Daala and later pallaeon.
Even in Legends, Palpatine set up a system that had no failsafes in case he died, which left many key personnel to vie for power. Also, in Legends, Grand Admiral Nial Declann was using Battle Meditation as a Dark Side adept. Him sending Palpatine’s death caused him to lose concentration
I love your comparison between the Empire and Russia, and the Rebel Alliance and Ukraine, as well as the WWII parallels. Star Wars might be a beloved space fantasy, but lessons can be taught through Star Wars to inform younger generations while entertaining them.
Short answer for DisCan: BAD WRITING. Recommend anyone interested try the much better Legends version where it took a far more realistic nineteen years for the Galactic Civil War to end and the Empire to be reduced to the Imperial Remnant.
What can you expect, Legends was written by a bunch of random writers with no cooperation while Disney has dozens of skilled writers and millions of dollars. Oh wait...
@@chheinrich8486 I'm counting the Second Imperium and holdouts that took until 22-23 ABY to be pacified completely. The Pellaeon Gavrisom Treaty/Bastion Accords did take place 15 years after Endor, but a chunk of Imperials refused to acknowledge it and split off for the Deep Core where it took a few more years to fully root them out.
You can see clearly that the Imperial goverment shifted their operations to defend essential services like (hydroelectric plants, shipyards) in order to prevent the galaxy from collapsing completely.
The Qin Dynasty only lasted for a few years after the death of its first emperor Qin Shi Huangdi. The Qin at the time still had the biggest, most powerful army in all of China, but it only took a couple of staggering defeats against a weaker rebel army, coupled with rebellions igniting all over its conquered territories that the infant Qin Empire collapsed quicker than it was formed.
One thing to consider is the Dark Side influence. Palpatine was doing far more than simply ruling the empire. He was also subtly influencing everyone towards evil. Remember Battle Meditation from the Old Republic? Something similar, but on a much wider, more subtle scale. Palpatine's death thus demoralized the Imperial fleet and also resulted in many of them having a crisis of conscience.
The post-Endor rising was basically the Empire's worst case scenario. Enormous, simultaneous offensives across all fronts, from an enemy with a decentralized command structure that couldn't be easily decapitated. Any military would be pushed to the brink trying to contain such a situation. The entire purpose of the Tarkin Doctrine was to prevent such a situation. And it was a bad time for the Empire anyways - the thing was basically bankrupt by the massive effort needed to speedbuild a Death Star alongside four years of galactic war, and the Emperor's death left it with no clear leadership. No leadership, no ability to prioritize, no ability to coordinate military action, different units consuming each other's logistical lines... And that's not getting into the warfighting philosophy issues. Imperial doctrine prioritized aggression, crushing enemies quickly with the knowledge that any casualties could be easily replaced. Rebel/Republic doctrine prioritized survival, backing off when they're outgunned, going to great lengths to preserve ships and equipment, and using non-standard parts and supplies to get things back into action faster. Once the Empire lost its logistical chain, their doctrine became self-destructive - every tie (ha) battle was effectively a Rebel/Republic victory, as equal casualties would degrade the Empire's strength more. Even many of their tactical victories became strategic losses as they were ground down, isolated and destroyed one by one.
The empire's fate was sealed in A New Hope when Tarkin summarized to the commanders on the Death Star that the Senate had been dissolved and that the regional governors would control the systems directly. What doesn't make sense is the manner of the collapse - surely some if not most of those regional governors would have obtained local military backing and created splinter states. Look at what happened in Japan in the Sengoku period for a real-world example of what happens in this kind of collapse of a centralized state. This would have meant dozens if not hundreds of "Moff Gideons" for the new Republic to need to clean up.
That's exactly what happened in EU version of the Imperial Remnant, that's why it makes more sense. It took the New Republic years to stop all of the new Warlords, and in many cases, some were never found, and they re-established the Empire on the world of Bastion, out near the Outer Rim/Unknown Regions. Disney Imperial Remnant is just lazy, and makes little sense...
The regional governors did survive. Both in Legend and in Disney wars. In both they have influence and forces left, the Empire, albeit greatly reduced, still existed as an entity decades after the death of Palpy.
Operation Cinder reminds me of Operation Nero or better known as the "Nero Decree". It was issued by Hitler on March 19, 1945 and it ordered for the destruction of all German infrastructure as Germany was losing the war and the Allies advanced deep into their territory. Although the difference between these two scorched earth mandates is that Operation Nero was put into effect while Hitler was still alive (though at that point he knew the Third Reich days were numbered), not to mention this decree wasn't carried out as Hitler's Minister of Armaments, Albert Speer refused to go through with it and was even able to persuade the generals and officials to ignore this order.
One thing Imperial Governor Chalice forgot about those ridiculously supermassive Star Destroyers it was how long it would take for personnel to go from their living quarters to assigned battle stations or worse to report to the bridge. If someone has their living quarters in the rear of the damn thing it would take that person up to 15 minutes probably to be able to reach the bridge and that is if all the mass transit systems are operational if not that quickly can become hours.
In US Army, there were 13 support soldiers for every combat soldier. Alot of those jobs are now handled by contractors, though. But historically, those support soldiers found themselves fighting in battles. Battle of the Bulge and Battle of Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down) are good examples of this happening.
My fiancée and I recently came up with a theory: what if the Rule of Two was always just Darth Bane transferring his essence into each apprentice in turn? The master wanted the apprentice to kill him, to continue the cycle.
It is a general theory due to the attempted transfer into Zannah and her hand did shake a bit after but then you wouldn’t get some of the good guy sith that happened
I like to think that, in this theory, Plageus was just another incarnation of this mythic 'Darth Eternal.' He did initiate the Anakin Plan to craft the perfect host, though.
Wasn't during legends era the empire didn't really fall for like another 15 years? Even so they never fully fell just went into retreat mode until they merge with the republic later on
Correct, it had multiple imperial remnant factions and wars for years til the last groups were defeated nearly 22-24 years after the victory over Yavin.
@@NinjaTyler the first galactic civil war ended with the Palleon-Gaverston treaty, being signed by grand admiral Palleon, which was the leader of the imperial council, and a New Republic diplomat named Gaverston, with many other important people being present to witness it!
The way that Disney has handled the aftermath of the battle of Endor and the expanded lore in general is absolutely laughable and asinine. George Lucas made it clear that the imperial military had thousands of ships ranging between 20-30 thousand. In the legends material, it took around 20 years after the battle of Endor for the imperials to finally surrender to the new republic, and keep in mind this was with infighting between imperial moffs as well as losses in battles with the new republic. I won't go into detail but read the Thrawn trilogy which takes place 5 years after Endor, Empire's End which takes place around 10 years after Endor as well as the X-Wing series of books which takes place throughout the period of the Rebellion and new republic. It not only produced good material (and some bad, don't get me wrong) but it was also far more realistic than Disney's interpretation. They would have you believe that the empire lost most of their ships and military infrastructure in the space of one year? I think Generation Tech already did a video on this and the example they used was, imagine the US Navy which currently has 480 ships with 90 more in the planning stages, losing most of their ships in one year. It's just implausible and when you look at Disney's canon universe, just makes no sense and seems lazy like they didn't put much thought into it.
Ironically...well Disney is much more realistic, sure the Imperial fleet as 20-30 thousands ships but for an entire galaxy and that's an extremely pathetic number for a such enourmous space; add the collpase of the command chain, the overall fact that the imperial armed forces were never good and basically a mix of poorly trained and equipped occupation troops (thughs in uniforms) with many of them cut off from supply and reinforcements and being dealt by the locals (apparently the main imperial politics was to send a light garrison and if there is trouble call the fleet and reinforcement and use overwhelming brute force...a politics no more appliable widespread after Endor) and poorly equipped good troops the logistic chain severly impaired and Palpy final f..k you to the galaxy aka Operation Cinder (a plan totally in character with him) and you have something out of the italian collapse after the surrendering and the clusterfuck of the current russian invasion of Ukraine. The US navy example is not apt, the USN is a professional service manned by well trained and well motivated men and defend a goverment system that had contingency in case a decapitation strike happen; the imperial armed force is your run of the mill dictatorship army formed by corrupt officers that don't give a damn about their men and it's kept together by fierce indoctrination and abject fear and many many pray, his objective is not be truly combat capable but scare the population in submission. Hell one must look only to the tie fighter, it's a death trap and it's basically considered a feature only after having their ass handed to them so many time by numerically inferior but better trained and equipped forces they have decided to upgrade them but it was always a too little too late thing. Not considering that between Yavin and Endor there are only 4 years and during this time the imperials had lost the bulk of their best officers with the destruction of the first and second Death Star and the defeat of Thraw at Lothal.
@@Vaioplayer88 it was more or less fanon that the Empire was preparing to fight the Vang, in reality Uncle Palpy had give Thraw some lip service about it but never really done anything about it...and thraw himself while a gary tz...ehm a brilliant tattician was a political illetterate that was really duped by him
@@tomaskops7119 it's more or less the same, the ISD are the type of ships that the entire Imperial fleet is build around...unfortunely are extremely costly in both term of men and supply and are the wrong type of ships. Sure if you must wage a conventional war or terrorize a planet into submission this are your type of ships but as counterinsurgency? it's like using the USS Nimitz to catch somali pirates but instead of the horn of Africa it's the entire east african coast your zone of operation. The rest of the entire fleet seem composed by a relatively small number of lightly protected transport and light cruiser and carrier. As example, the finale of Rebels see the entire 6 ISD (plus support) fleet of Thraw disappear and this mean the loss of at least 300.000 men in a single battle and the next week they have lost another million in the death star. With this kind of ratio, the Empire need many small and easily to build and replace ships and not megaubersuperduper capital ship that lack the versatility and the sufficient numbers
This was so fucking good! I've neve ever considered so many of these points, and tying them in with real world examples really made me think. Thanks, Generation Tech! I really learned a lot and got a lot to think about from this.
I think that this is my favorite video of your's. YOu really show -how- the collapse happened, give real world comparisons to it as examples, andg o into all these small things that add up. And you do a great job of explaining it. I think this is the best video of your's I've ever seen!
Not really when you consider how real world Empires take years to decades to collapse and that's just a regional or planetary Empire. An Empire across a galaxy would take significantly longer than a year to fall. The Qing Empire is a perfect example. When it fell, Warlords took over and there were external invasions. It took nearly five decades for peace to return.
As I posted on a previous video, the Empire on Legends was a hateful and opressive government in many parts of the galaxy. It's not out of question to assume that after Endor whole populations must've risen up and hunted down ruthlessly any member or simpathizer of the imperial state apparatus they could get their hands on.
One of the things that is glossed over a lot is that the Galactic Civil War, both in the new canon and especially in Legends, is a very bloody and destructive war. How the New Republic dealt with worlds that had strong sympathies for the Empire? And the desire for getting even by the more hot headed rebels?
The problem is that in DisCan the Empire ISN'T nearly that oppressive. It lets women and aliens serve in the ranks equally unlike Legends. It has far fewer atrocities than Legends too. Compared to Legends, the DisCan Empire is significantly more liberal and lenient on its subjects so it actually makes even less sense that it's so unpopular.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I feel as though it became more apparent to Lucasfilm / Disney that a lot of people actually liked the Empire despite the whole blowing up Alderdaan thing. It therefore became neccesary to ramp up the atrocities and make the Empire to be an explicit Third Reich expy. Nuance went out the window in favour of a more simplistic interpretation. I much prefer Timothy Zahn's interpretation which I feel was more realistic without white washing the negative aspects. Disney however prefers things less... "grey".
What I remember about the rise of the Empire is… is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip; we all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps- but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word.
Fantastic video. I never understood how the seemingly invincible Empire just lost to a rag tag group of rebels. Yes they destroyed the death star but the Empire was extremely formidable even before the first death star. This is the first time I've seen someone flesh it all out and you did an excellent job.
Highly recommend the "Aftermath" trilogy, it covers the conon story behind the ending of the empire and how the origins of the first order came to be behind the cover of the battle of Jakku
I feel this whould be more believable if them was more depictions of infighting in the imperial army but like in mass forms of defection. I know there's plenty of individuals in star wars who defected. But imagine a story of a star destroyer admiral and his crew and his legion. Constantly stopping out rebels in more and more brutal fashion. But it begins to wear them down no matter how much praise they receive. The constant brutality ultimately makes them resent in mass from the empire.
That was a part of the EAW imperial campaign. an admiral went to the rebels side and took a contingent of imperial forces with him that vader had to hunt down as they were hitting planet after planet.
If the Empire had realized to unit their remaining fleets to combine their resources, things would have been different. They could have lasted another 10-12 years and the new Republic would have been struggling to keep what they have. That would have made worlds loyal think the war was long from over.
The stg 44 was originally refused by Hitler on the account that it was "ugly". The German high command went behind his back and ordered it anyway. Later a Russian tanker found one of those guns and designed the stripped down version we all know as the AK 47.
They also were suffering from the affects of having battle meditation suddenly stop working. There was an acolyte on the Interdictor cruiser that was using it for the Empire but the interdictor was destroyed.
Legends so much better than cannon. The galaxy wide empire took way longer to finally die out. Doesn't matter how much Disney tried to change cannon to make things make more sense. Won't change a thing.
You missed a few key details on why the Empire collapsed so quickly. Operation Cinder destroying a large number of Empire controlled and supporting planets decimated their support system. The Gallius Rax consolidating all the remaining higher officers into the Shadow Council, just to kill them all as a part of the Contingency, ruined command structures. A large number of ISDs and higher ranked officers just abandoned the fight by the Battle of Jakku to head into the Unknown Region to form the First Order, as a part of the Contingency. The Battle of Jakku was intended to be the final stage of the Contingency, as the planet was meant to explode killing all Empire and New Republic ships decimating both sides forces. This plan was foiled by Admiral Sloane, leaving the low level Governors and Moffs to fend for themselves, while the higher ups fled. No successor was picked by Palatine as he intended to live, and did. He knew if/when one day he died, he'd need to start fresh. So he set the Contingency into effect to destroy both sides, while he revived in a cloned body out on Exagol along with the Sith Eternal and the previously mentioned high ranked officers to form the First Order and later Final Order Sith legions. Palatine deliberately crippled the Empire to wipe it out as a means to trying to claim success from defeat. Only to fail again 30 years later.
@@scoutman66 that could be said about many franchises that continue beyond their usual scope. Legends, aka the old canon, had a lot of contradictory bullshit, some good, some bad. And if you played the Battlefront 2 and Squadrons campaigns, its not a bad story. And it works in the context of the sequels and Mandoverse. It explains why the big bad is only a Moff of the remnant and not someone higher
God damn this makes me realize Star Wars should not have had sequels. Or if they did set them a few hundred years later. The sequel trilogy seriously fucked canon up
@@kotyissocool not defending the sequels quality, just accepting their story and how it is fleshed out in further media, such as the Mandoverse, Bad Batch, etc. going forward. And the prequels also had issues with the canon of how they tied into the oridge tridge. Its a problem of any sequel or prequel. How can you perfectly fit more into a story AND recapture the lightning in a bottle of the first one
Maybe its because they realized that even after 20 years, the Galaxy was still bankrupt, the Emperor who was supposed to protect them was spending all the budget on planet-destroying death-machines, and all the storm troopers outside the 501st asked, "Hey...what exactly are they _paying us_ with?"
The one thing that never should have happened was the loss of the Executor. Modern day carriers have many alternate way to steer the ship if the main bridge is lost. Unless someone died over top some control surface, the ship impact should have only taken out a part of the main bridge. It absolutely shouldn't have immediately nosed down into the death star.
The Executor was heavily damaged at that point. In ROTJ Admiral Akbar orders all craft to attack it. When it does nose dive in the DS2 it's trailing a large plum of flame from the side of its engines.
Some of the factors leading to the Empire's demise in Disney Canon make sense, but the timeline is still entirely too short. Legends did a much better job here, with the Empire itself keeping ahold of Corescant for much longer, the Thrawn campaign breathing new life into it, and finally, after 15 *years* after Endor, it was the Imperial Remnant, *not* the New Republic, that extended the olive branch. Disney underestimates just how huge a place space is, and just how many resources keep the Empire going for how much longer. Legends, on the other hand, was written by actual science fiction writers (especially Timothy Zahn, who has written far more military sci fi than just Star Wars), who had much more of an idea of what they were doing.
I could pick apart your comparison to the end of WWII for inaccuracies, but you know, even if the specifics were wrong, overall it's an accurate description of what went on by the end of the war.
@@anyoneseenmybicepilostitin2727 well, he got the general gist of it right. some of the names were wrong. that's really it. I'm a little nitpicky on details. I gotta force myself to not fixate on other's mistakes if it doesn't damage the overall point.
In the Star Wars EU it took the Rebel Alliance five years to fight their way to Coruscant and seizing it, only then did Empire considered to have lost the Galactic Civil War.
And it will be possible...if the Empire armed forces was something akin to a professional forces instead of the corrupt 'all glitter and zero substance mess that basically is forced to strip everything from the mid and outer rim planets and it's hated fiercely by everyone that's not the corrupt higher up'
Not only that, the New Republic LOST Coruscant to Thrawn for a while, then came back. I know, WHAT!? THE GOOD GUYS LOST FOR A BIT! It's truly shocking I know. EU is the True Canon.
I'm nitpicking here but when sturmgewher/mp series of weapons the Nazi's used was the first automatic weapon using "intermediate" rifle cartridges. Sturmgewher literally translates to storm rifle or assault rifle and created what eventually became definitive of the term assault rifle to this day (select fire rifles [aka it can run fully automatic] using immediate rifle cartridges)
Great assessment. In real-world Navies the ratio of logistical support ships to war-fighting ships is about 1 logistical support ship for every 2 combat-ready ships. This is with ships with a maximum crew capacity of under 5,000 (the world’s largest aircraft carrier is less than a quarter the length of an Imperial Star Destroyer). A ship the size of an Imperial Star Destroyer has a lot of open space and cargo capacity but with that many crew members and sophisticated pieces of equipment the logistics of keeping a ship of that size and complexity have got to be overwhelming.
Actual answer: It didn't, Disney-canon is all a bad fever dream and the Legends continuity where Grand Admiral Thrawn kept the Imperials in the fight for years is the true timeline.
I love the Legends version abit better. The Imperial Military was fractured into sub-factions by the Warlords who held sectors of the Galaxy. While the Imperial Military did held together for a time it did fall apart under the strain of the economy and lack of leadership. Plus, with the lack of trust between Warlords they often have infighting. Until Admiral Thrawn finally took leadership.
Great breakdown video! Though I understand how this all went down, I’ll never except the fact that as vast and powerful as the empire was, that they fell in just one whole year. But, it is what it is.
Technically 4 or 5 years, yavin was the beginning of the end for them as they previously mentioned the destruction of the first deathstar most definitely started a recession and a security crisis in one swoop.
Basically, they were bankrupt before Endor, having poured everything they had into building a new Death Star while also fighting an ever-bolder Rebellion. Then they have mass uprisings, a breakdown in coordination and constant battle without resupply that ground them to a pulp. For a real-life comparison, the Pacific Theater of WWII saw, in a single calendar year (December 7, 1941-1942), the Japanese military conquer the Philippines, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Burma, and half of New Guinea (most of that in about 5-6 months) and then be torn to pieces by constant battle (including four carrier battles and at least as many surface ship fights) that left it basically incapable of offensive operations. A modern military can fit a LOT of fighting into a year.
Lets be honest about the topic, it's because disney touched it. Disney has ample material to build into "cannon" and they time and time again drop the ball. Basically disney saying "because we said so". Also god forbid the "good guys" lose. They rushed it to put efforts into the final 3 failures.
I don't get one thing. Why did the Imperial remnants even existed in the first place? And by that, I mean why they continued to fight the losing battle, especially since they do not know about the First Order in the Unknown Regions like at all? Why don't just laid low and try to adjust their lives with the Third Republic?
Legends had a good explanation for that. Basically, the New Republic tended to be a weaker central government than the Empire, but in the worst ways. They did very little to curb piracy and smuggling (arguably, the New Republic's prosecution of an ongoing war against the Imperial Remnant as a peer military power made those problems worse); they were reluctant to get involved in long-standing local disputes, even really vicious ones that bordered on ethnic cleansing; and while they were more willing to square off against Imperial incursions, they didn't have nearly enough ships or troops to station a serious task force at every world. That meant a fleet led by an ISD could show up, raid the system, wreak a ton of damage, and vanish before any reinforcements from the New Republic Navy showed up - which, incidentally, is exactly what Thrawn did for months in the original Thrawn Trilogy. The Empire, on the other hand, offered not just protection, but _stability._ Only a fraction of the Imperial military was tasked with hunting down the Rebellion; the rest were deployed as garrison forces, peacekeepers, and anti-piracy patrols that enforced the law. Having a third party that can metaphorically grab warring tribes by the scruff of the neck and drag them apart isn't exactly gentle, or cheap, or even a long-term solution by itself, but it gives the locals a chance to chill for a bit and resolve things without devolving into yet another generation of bloodbaths. The New Republic got a big taste of that with the revelation of the 'Caamas Document'. Basically, a rumor started circulating that this doc contained a list of, among others, Bothans who were complicit in the brutal glassing of the planet Caamas. Until that point, exactly who had done the deed was kind of a mystery, because the strike force left no survivors and the Caamasi themselves were well-liked by pretty much everyone. Exactly which Bothans were responsible for the atrocity wasn't clear, but that didn't matter much: huge numbers of armed ships from other planets started showing up at Bothawui to wreak bloody revenge, and most were perfectly happy to just start shooting until they felt better. The more restrained groups were content to do things like only murder, say, six Bothans at random because only six of their own people were on Caamas when it was destroyed. Nasty stuff - and a lot of worlds basically figured that the New Republic might talk a good game about being an open forum and letting the diplomatic process resolve things peacefully, but if everyone is that ready to throw down just on the strength of a _rumor,_ then maybe things were actually safer under the Empire. The Empire's huge and mostly-dispersed military also meant that most Imperial worlds could count on having a decently sized Imperial defense force either on hand, or close enough for the planet to hold out and wait for reinforcements if they came under attack. Even a remote world like Bakura, for instance, had enough of an Imperial presence to hold out for weeks against a full-scale Ssi-Ruuvi invasion fleet until a task force from the Rebels at Endor could arrive.
@@tba113 , While what you said is true... you neglect that it was Grand Admiral Flim (aka Thrawn), who sent out agents to produce said conflict. However, the part I facepalm about is... _why_ would people against genocide attempt to commit genocide? Wouldn't they just be hunted down and killed, as a punishment for their crimes? Worse, why would people take their warships, which are expensive to maintain, to a system protected by a system defence force _and_ the Republic? They would be declaring war on the Republic. Honestly, the person who wrote this wasn't all that smart...
@@aralornwolf3140 Asserting that Timothy Zahn isn't very smart or doesn't think his book plots through is an... Interesting position. It's been a while since I last read the books, but part of the reason why so many groups were ready to attack Bothawui was because they thought the Bothan government was sheltering the war criminals. The Bothan government's claim that they as a whole had no idea who the perpetrators were mostly fell on deaf ears, because that's just the sort of thing a collaborator would say. For the New Republic's part, they told the various fleets that showed up at Bothawui that attacking the planet would indeed constitute an act of war, and would be responded to with lethal force. But that didn't really help things any more than the Bothan government's claim of ignorance: the attacking forces concluded that the NR as a whole must either be dupes of the Bothans, or possibly even in on the conspiracy as well. To the attackers, this made the Bothan government and the New Republic little better than the war criminals they were supposedly hiding, so if avenging Caamas meant getting kicked out of the NR, then it must not have been a worthwhile club to be in anyway. As for why a group would be comfortable with inflicting genocide in retaliation for the crime of genocide in the first place, "an eye for an eye" isn't a particularly nuanced approach, but it's not exactly an uncommon one, either.
@@tba113 , Timothy Zhan wrote it? Fine, I'll change my statement. This isn't a very well thought out book by such an illustrious author. Such things happen.
@@aralornwolf3140 I'll be the first to admit it's been years since I last read that story, so any seeming inconsistencies can probably be chalked up to either my spotty memory of it, or to my incomplete retelling of the plotline. It seemed consistent enough when I read it.
I like legends better, it is more realistic and it explains things better. Such as the fact that the Emperor had not successor because he was working on finding a way to live forever. Also he had, intentionally or not, introduced the Sith ideology of always seeking personal power into his subordinates by setting them against each other for his favor. Thus, once he was gone, no one was in charge and many who could immediately began to try to either seize control of the Empire, or build one of their own.
I personally think that Palpy really don't choose a successor for the real reason many dictator do it only very late in life or if you are NK you designate a member of the family early on (after all it's basically an absolute monarchy). Because once you name a successor you create competition and someone who can legitimate take your power once you are removed and if you add the SIth ideology that permeated the Empire due to Palpy actions, choosing of people and method of governance it's easy to image why he had left no heir...except Vader naturally as by Sith creed if he is killed by him or survived it mean that he is stronger and so he has the right to power but is a rule appliable only to him
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The way the Empire crumbles and is "destroyed" and Palpatine's contingency makes sense. The only thing that doesen't make sense is how fast.
Just a shot in the dark, but a rapid collapse causes more chaos as the power and support structures crumble. One minute, you have a savings and passport, the next minute you don't. Then people get desperate and violent. An example of this would be the break up Yugoslavia in the 1990's. In the Star Wars universe, that would also put more dark side energy into the galaxy.
@Peters6221 that’s why i like Legends in some aspects more
@Peters6221 I'm pretty sure millions are made every month or so
Continuous war?
Maybe thats how it collapsed so quickly?
This is why Legends seems more realistic in the way the Empire died. It fell not just because of rebels but also due to warlords fighting each other. Even then, it took 20 years, and even after that a remnant survived to resurge into a new Empire when the republic weakened.
On a different topic, I would argue that the United Federation of Planets Starfleet is the Empire's direct opposite, and even in the worst of times, they still managed to function and recover their territory.
Yes, EU Imperial Remnant makes a 1,000 times more sense than Disney Remnant...
Indeed
The xwing series is one of my favorite and does a great job showing thia part of the war
@@albionflux Yes, fleshing out Wedge and the gang was fantastic.
Blooming disney....
1000%, the old EU made a ton of sense, it sounded like actual history where massive empires didn't just die in a year, but lingered on in some form for centuries some even a millenia. The fact all the self-seekinf Imperial warlords scrambled for power since Palpatine had no succession plan perfectly mimics the fracturing of Alexander's Empire, which coincidentally was also built by him and died with him just like Palpatine's.
I read in ww2 the British military spent more money on food and consumable products like cigarettes than ammunition. And they were fighting in several theaters and had a global presence with ten fleets and army's on 3 continents and a 7 year year conflict. . Makes you think. 12 million personnel. 4 million in administration or support roles.
That's the funny thing about logistics. To have a soldier fire a gun, you don't just need a person and a gun. You need to take care of every single thing a person needs to live, then ship it out into the middle of nowhere for them.
Like, toilet paper. How can a soldier shoot their gun if he's too busy scratching an ass rash? X'D
An army is a city sized group of people. So you need the amount of amenities a city provides for them.
I was in the Marines for 6 years. We had a saying "bullets don't fly without supply"
Trust me being in 120+ degree heat and having no potable water or food will take you out of action fast. You can't fight without a supply line, that's been the bane of Hitler, Napoleon, and many other leaders throughout history
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy exactly.
@@shanenolan8252the Brits also lacked a lot of ammo and SMG's during the war btw... And no they didn't have 12 million troops..... Colonial wise yes, actual British military.... No
You could argue that the bigger the military is, the more vulnerable it is when its command is decapitated. The imperial military was part of the top down structure of the empire, where the imperial throne controlled everything with so few intermediary authorities in the hiearchy. The empire lost a lot of leadership in the war with Palpatine, Tarkin, Vader, all the high ranking officers on both stars being killed. With a giant fleet, scattered, greedy for ressources and with no political legitimacy or any galaxy spanning unifying figure, internal battles are unavoidable.
Thats objectively false. Most militarys have a very CLEAR "Line of succession." The US Army for example had very robust officer corps and NCO Corps so much so that the highest enlisted ranks have more responsibilities than alot of commission ranks. If someone was to behead the US military. More heads would grow back in its place and business returns to normal almost immediately.
The empire fell so quickly because palpatine designed it to be solely dependent on him. There was no "heir." To the throne. The line of succession didn't exist. And I paraphrase "If the Empire is unable to protect its emporer then it should not exist." All of palpatines contingency plans were punishments for failing to protect him.
@@kingandros4819 Except at the Battle of Endor. The Rebellion destroyed most of what was left of the Imperial fleet stationed there.
@@roger632 well obviously. But that's not what I mean. The loss of a military "Supreme commander." Should never constitute a total loss. Palpatine designed the empire this way. Regardless of if the imperial fleet wasnt destroyed. The empire would have and did fall into chaos and disarray as moffs and warlords vyed for power in a galaxy where only one man had the power.
@@kingandros4819 Ah, I see.
@@kingandros4819 that lore was partially retconed. Its how some of the Empire and Rebels saw it. What was really happening was, the Elites were being pulled back to the Unknown. The rest was setting in motion a conflict that would lure Luke Skywalker too Jack, and kill him with a massive explosion via setting off tons of Sith artifacts in the center of the planet.
With next to no Imperial Force Users to fight Luke, the Empire was easy pickings.
Love the subtle Iron Sky reference just tucked in there.
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The thing about massive militaries is that there’s a lot of officers that can easily go, “Fuck this.” And bail with whatever they got if things go even slightly south. And considering the general cowardice of some of the officers, it was probably a lot of people.
It always depends on the level of corruption in the military structure as well. If people see positions of power as mere stepping stones then they are more concerned about promotions and authority over a specific cause or even the well being of their nation or unit, then the foundation of that military will usually be shaky at best. When the leadership falls apart they are too busy trying to profit and leverage their own position rather than actually trying to save day.
_That's why the Battle Droids where better..._
Yes but to keep that power you would want to stay with ur part of the military especially if their loyal then hide and be captured by the rebs because of war crimes. That’s exactly what happened in legends and took a while until the Empire died kinda.
@@MrHattley Yeah, because Palpatine was preventing the Separatists from working effectively. Without him stopping them from making obvious improvements to command structure and tactics like a mental droid blockchain and _just never ceasing advancement forwards to really press the advantages an endless robot army has, the Republic would be fucked._
It's not really a fair comparison when one side is being actively hindered by a conspiracy of evil space wizards.
@@eddapultstab2078 I think you perfectly explained why the Nazi themed empire of a literal cult of greed and selfishness was doomed.
The entire concept of "Operation Cinder" strikes me as an Emergency retcon to paper over the fact that it would realistically take a bare minimum of 5-10 years for the imperial forces to completely collapse.
"How, exactly did everything fall apart in.. (checks notes) ONE YEAR?!?"
"Umm... it was the Emperor's secret contingency plan, of course!"
"And the rebels never wondered what became of 25,000 enemy capital ships that basically vanished overnight?"
"Nah."
Nah operation cinder was there to retcon and foreshadow Palpatine in rise of Skywalker. It was pretty dumb as it basically took away any humanity left in the imperial military by literally burning their own pro imperial worlds.
@@eddapultstab2078 foreshadow Palpatine in TROS?? How? There was never any kind of foreshadowing whatsoever for that
@@rcdune7132 eas Battlefront 2 tie in
Bad Story Telling spreads and corrupts like the Dark Side... Disney is the REAL Empire...
Thanks Disney. Thanks EA.
Of the hundreds of excellent videos you've shared, this is without the doubt THE BEST...have watched it at least 4/5 times.
what people don't understand is yes a large military structure can collapse at blistering speed.
in terms of SW Cannon I can see it falling in less than a couple years. considering the amount of waste that was talked about in cannon books (instead of keeping open cases of parts simply dumping for fresh full cases) items can go downhill fast. figure an ISD has about 40,000 people on board how long will food last or other supplies. and if those ships did scatter without recovering fightercraft they'd be easy targets
not only that but how much infighting would take place among crews/ships
yes in Legends it never truly fell as many ships would follow strong or smart leaders -- such as those that left with Pellion -- and would maintain as best as possible
It's funny people always assumed in the Wahammer 40k universe that the greatest strength of the Imperium was its soldiers or weapons or religious zelotry. I've always seen the true power of the Imperium to reside in its logistical capabilities.
Having worked in a military logistics unit before, y'all have the right of it. I'd rather have an army of a thousand men with a year's worth of supply than a million men with a week.
Yeah both a perfectly feasible outcomes but I think it's more of the Empire is differnt in both canons... In lenegds and A New Hope it's like the US of A in Diney Canon it's like the Russian Federation/ Late Soviet Union.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough not really
In the cannon version and in legends both leadership is a "me first" system
Very few of the ship commanders are great commanders
Also even in the US military history there are times when supply chains are long and fragile
Disney Canon supplemental material has also depicted the Empire as struggling much more in the period between A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The Death Star's loss (both in terms of resources and talented officers) was a serious blow, which was followed up by an extensive ground war in which the Rebels briefly overran the Mid Rim. The Empire was victorious in a counter-offensive there, but it was still a costly distraction. Then the push to speed-build the second Death Star while fighting the regular war pushes the Imperial budget to its limit, to the point that Vader had to personally go beg Jabba the Hutt for a loan of resources. With all that context, it's not difficult to see how immediately losing the Death Star again AND the Emperor would send the Imperial military into logistical collapse.
I actually prefer this interpretation to the Legends Empire, which seemed to have infinite money and an endless supply of WMDs and super-ships with no apparent maintenance costs. Losing the Death Star really HURT the Canon Empire. It mildly inconvenienced the Legends one.
Seeing the TIE pilot left behind at Endor actually feels pretty sad. The way they just slump in their seat is very realistic and tells you they know they are either dead or their life is over as they knew it. They either will freeze and suffocate in space , or be imprisoned in a rebel labour camp, working to death. Or so his COs would drill into him and his squadmates. Some joined the imperials because they just wanted to survive, a chance for a better life, purpose in a universe that seemed to be lacking any.
The collaps in canon doesnt make any sense, but in legends, it makes more sense were the civil war continues for 15 more years
Holy spelling batman!
Collapse* dosent* make* where* civil war* technically* continues*
Can you try reposing this with your hands and not headbutt the keyboard ?
Agreed completely
This is why I prefer legends over the current canon when it comes to the empire collapsing. The Empire is MASSIVE....there should be way more imperial factions, rogue warlords, and claimants to the empire. It should have taken years if not a couple of decades to be defeated by the new Republic, and solidified their hold on the galaxy .
With Palpatine, vader, and most if not all clone wars heroes and staff officers gone at the point of endor, it was all downhill from there. The smart ones either grabbed everything fungible in arms reach and fled to make a new life or changed flags to the Victor's who had an established chain of command and has the clear upper hand. There was practically no decisive figure for remains to rally around, almost all the competent ones with clout and authority died between yavin and endor with yavin killing off practically all of high command in one torpedo. The rest were usually too dump, violent, cruel, and or scheming to do the latter and even with legends they were all too happy to stab each other in the back to get ahead. It's rather easy to fall apart from there, theirs real world equivalents.
@@eddapultstab2078 even so there is still 8 grand moffs still after endor? Entire fleet commands admirals, battlegroups, planetary moffs, ISB , and not to mention fantical COMNOR. only a fraction of the top brass died on both death stars.
Yes there would be some massive internal infighting, but now you are fighting dozens instead of one enemy. It turned a two player civil war into a 20-30 player civil war match.
At some point imperial leaders or warlords will rise to be the faction lesser imperial officials and officers will join; pentastar alignment, zsinji, zero command, Eriadu authority, and teradoc union.
@@soontir_fel1816 but look at their sith based culture they are built upon! They are encouraged to stab each other in the back. And not just the grand moffs, every isb agent, ship captain, tie pilot and storm trooper captain is looking for their next big break. Not only that when you divide the empire you also divide their resources. As it was pointed out that a star destroyer needs monthly resupply, three months is the latest to even think it will still be combat effective. The rebels most of the time are targeting their weakest link anyway, their supply. The empires doctrine in force projection requires unlimited supply to their massive ship fleets.
Now here's the reality of the situation,
Palpatine is dead
Vader is dead
Endor was a high stakes gamble that pitted the cream of the empires crop against the rebels in ambush that failed miserably.
Atleast 1 super stardestroyer was lost as well as multiple isds are lost and damaged.
Most of the galaxy secretly hates them, aside from loyalist worlds, and are now being more vocal about it.
Manufacturers and suppliers, who were nationalized at gunpoint, now have to decide which side to lean on: one has Atleast 2 major victories and has put the opposition on the run and the other run, or the side that's pure brutality, fiscally irresponsible and would nationalize them at gunpoint again at first opportunity.
Operation cinder is initiated which is making even some hard-core imperials on changing sides while burning away any olive branches to maintain power, resources and revenue that's left for them.
They are close to dead broke at this point, the banks have left them and they probably have terrible credit considering all the lost deathstars and star destroyers, moff Gideon got away because he had the foresight to rob mandalore for a war chest.
The list goes on, including the number one rule: you got to make payroll! This is mountain's of issues and real life empires have collapsed for alot less.
@@eddapultstab2078 that just proves my point as why canon empire doesn't make sense anymore. They have made them weaker and easy for failure. Like if the empire was that backstabbing then it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did... 20 years later til endor? No way...it would have shattered much sooner
In legends; The empire had millions of highly trained and battle hardened clones and some PDF forces, a restructured military academies, and fought not only the clone wars but also they reconquest campaigns against separatist holdout for another 3 years.
Plus imperial fleet at endor was tiny....there is still thousands of ISDs, 11 more executor class star destroyers,hundred thousand more support vessels. Countless more depots,storage facilities, and other infrastructure. This is why even after crumbling and civil war so many imperial factions lasted for YEARS until they were unified under admiral Daala and later pallaeon.
Well, they did flee to Exogal.
"I believe it was the constant sandstorms that drove the remaining imperials completely mad."
Man. Sand is course, rough... and it gets everywheres.
Even in Legends, Palpatine set up a system that had no failsafes in case he died, which left many key personnel to vie for power. Also, in Legends, Grand Admiral Nial Declann was using Battle Meditation as a Dark Side adept. Him sending Palpatine’s death caused him to lose concentration
I love your comparison between the Empire and Russia, and the Rebel Alliance and Ukraine, as well as the WWII parallels. Star Wars might be a beloved space fantasy, but lessons can be taught through Star Wars to inform younger generations while entertaining them.
Short answer for DisCan:
BAD WRITING.
Recommend anyone interested try the much better Legends version where it took a far more realistic nineteen years for the Galactic Civil War to end and the Empire to be reduced to the Imperial Remnant.
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Yes
Th war ended in the year 19 after yavin , but that was 15 years after endor and palpatine (first) death
What can you expect, Legends was written by a bunch of random writers with no cooperation while Disney has dozens of skilled writers and millions of dollars. Oh wait...
@@chheinrich8486 I'm counting the Second Imperium and holdouts that took until 22-23 ABY to be pacified completely. The Pellaeon Gavrisom Treaty/Bastion Accords did take place 15 years after Endor, but a chunk of Imperials refused to acknowledge it and split off for the Deep Core where it took a few more years to fully root them out.
You can see clearly that the Imperial goverment shifted their operations to defend essential services like (hydroelectric plants, shipyards) in order to prevent the galaxy from collapsing completely.
Good guys
Yes that's exactly what palpatines contingency plan was.
@@redjellonian8126 in the Mandalorian there is a scene where the setting goes in the hydroelectric plant.
@@eddieram435 that’s not a hydroelectric plant, it’s a rhydonium processing centre
@@caesarspeaks to produce energy for sure.
Disney really dropped the ball on writing a convincing way in which the Empire dissolved. "Fuck it, just make them disappear in one year."
It's not without precedent. E.g. a superpower like the USSR disintegrated in just a couple of years.
Well they didnt bother to explain how palpatine "somehow" returned. They care much less about background detalles like this.
The Qin Dynasty only lasted for a few years after the death of its first emperor Qin Shi Huangdi. The Qin at the time still had the biggest, most powerful army in all of China, but it only took a couple of staggering defeats against a weaker rebel army, coupled with rebellions igniting all over its conquered territories that the infant Qin Empire collapsed quicker than it was formed.
Hey, the Republic collapsed in a single 5 minute sequence...
@@barbiquearea Then there's the Wehrmacht which collapsed rather spectacularly within a couple of years after their failure to invade eastern europe.
This is my lucky day because I’m in South Africa 🇿🇦 I rarely get to see videos released this early after release
Oh man. A show about the abandoned Imperial troops on Endor would be amazing.
One thing to consider is the Dark Side influence. Palpatine was doing far more than simply ruling the empire. He was also subtly influencing everyone towards evil. Remember Battle Meditation from the Old Republic? Something similar, but on a much wider, more subtle scale. Palpatine's death thus demoralized the Imperial fleet and also resulted in many of them having a crisis of conscience.
The post-Endor rising was basically the Empire's worst case scenario. Enormous, simultaneous offensives across all fronts, from an enemy with a decentralized command structure that couldn't be easily decapitated. Any military would be pushed to the brink trying to contain such a situation. The entire purpose of the Tarkin Doctrine was to prevent such a situation. And it was a bad time for the Empire anyways - the thing was basically bankrupt by the massive effort needed to speedbuild a Death Star alongside four years of galactic war, and the Emperor's death left it with no clear leadership. No leadership, no ability to prioritize, no ability to coordinate military action, different units consuming each other's logistical lines...
And that's not getting into the warfighting philosophy issues. Imperial doctrine prioritized aggression, crushing enemies quickly with the knowledge that any casualties could be easily replaced. Rebel/Republic doctrine prioritized survival, backing off when they're outgunned, going to great lengths to preserve ships and equipment, and using non-standard parts and supplies to get things back into action faster. Once the Empire lost its logistical chain, their doctrine became self-destructive - every tie (ha) battle was effectively a Rebel/Republic victory, as equal casualties would degrade the Empire's strength more. Even many of their tactical victories became strategic losses as they were ground down, isolated and destroyed one by one.
Thrawn would rebuild the Empire in legends, maybe we will see the Thrawn Campaign with some of these Star Wars Disney Plus shows
It will be the terrible watered-down version of it, sure, maybe... I mean, Thrawn was carried off by Space-Whales for Gods sake... so...
Sad to see a great empire die in just a year. Love your content Generation Tech
The empire's fate was sealed in A New Hope when Tarkin summarized to the commanders on the Death Star that the Senate had been dissolved and that the regional governors would control the systems directly.
What doesn't make sense is the manner of the collapse - surely some if not most of those regional governors would have obtained local military backing and created splinter states. Look at what happened in Japan in the Sengoku period for a real-world example of what happens in this kind of collapse of a centralized state. This would have meant dozens if not hundreds of "Moff Gideons" for the new Republic to need to clean up.
That's exactly what happened in EU version of the Imperial Remnant, that's why it makes more sense. It took the New Republic years to stop all of the new Warlords, and in many cases, some were never found, and they re-established the Empire on the world of Bastion, out near the Outer Rim/Unknown Regions. Disney Imperial Remnant is just lazy, and makes little sense...
The regional governors did survive. Both in Legend and in Disney wars. In both they have influence and forces left, the Empire, albeit greatly reduced, still existed as an entity decades after the death of Palpy.
@@echos5823 YES, But the Pre-Disney version of that whole thing is composed 1,000 times better than the jackanapes at Disney have done...
Whoever wrote that intro did an awesome job.
Operation Cinder reminds me of Operation Nero or better known as the "Nero Decree". It was issued by Hitler on March 19, 1945 and it ordered for the destruction of all German infrastructure as Germany was losing the war and the Allies advanced deep into their territory. Although the difference between these two scorched earth mandates is that Operation Nero was put into effect while Hitler was still alive (though at that point he knew the Third Reich days were numbered), not to mention this decree wasn't carried out as Hitler's Minister of Armaments, Albert Speer refused to go through with it and was even able to persuade the generals and officials to ignore this order.
Yeah--I am sure that was where they got the idea.
It is nothing like the nero decree.
One thing Imperial Governor Chalice forgot about those ridiculously supermassive Star Destroyers it was how long it would take for personnel to go from their living quarters to assigned battle stations or worse to report to the bridge. If someone has their living quarters in the rear of the damn thing it would take that person up to 15 minutes probably to be able to reach the bridge and that is if all the mass transit systems are operational if not that quickly can become hours.
In US Army, there were 13 support soldiers for every combat soldier. Alot of those jobs are now handled by contractors, though. But historically, those support soldiers found themselves fighting in battles. Battle of the Bulge and Battle of Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down) are good examples of this happening.
Ah yeah if I remember obi wan kenobi was a desk clerk when he fought in the mog
@@GenerationTech Yes he was.
My fiancée and I recently came up with a theory: what if the Rule of Two was always just Darth Bane transferring his essence into each apprentice in turn? The master wanted the apprentice to kill him, to continue the cycle.
Bane definitely died
It is a general theory due to the attempted transfer into Zannah and her hand did shake a bit after but then you wouldn’t get some of the good guy sith that happened
It could easily be a yet unnamed Sith from somewhere down the line who became obsessed with Sith Alchemy and immortality.
@@SamGray Cough Cough Darth Plagueis Cough
I like to think that, in this theory, Plageus was just another incarnation of this mythic 'Darth Eternal.' He did initiate the Anakin Plan to craft the perfect host, though.
Great vid GenTech! Fascinating vid.
Wasn't during legends era the empire didn't really fall for like another 15 years? Even so they never fully fell just went into retreat mode until they merge with the republic later on
Correct, it had multiple imperial remnant factions and wars for years til the last groups were defeated nearly 22-24 years after the victory over Yavin.
@@NinjaTyler the first galactic civil war ended with the Palleon-Gaverston treaty, being signed by grand admiral Palleon, which was the leader of the imperial council, and a New Republic diplomat named Gaverston, with many other important people being present to witness it!
@@nickpapadopoulos9978 Treaty was Signed 19 Years after the Battle of Yavin. Gavreston was the Leader of the New Republic.
The way that Disney has handled the aftermath of the battle of Endor and the expanded lore in general is absolutely laughable and asinine. George Lucas made it clear that the imperial military had thousands of ships ranging between 20-30 thousand. In the legends material, it took around 20 years after the battle of Endor for the imperials to finally surrender to the new republic, and keep in mind this was with infighting between imperial moffs as well as losses in battles with the new republic. I won't go into detail but read the Thrawn trilogy which takes place 5 years after Endor, Empire's End which takes place around 10 years after Endor as well as the X-Wing series of books which takes place throughout the period of the Rebellion and new republic. It not only produced good material (and some bad, don't get me wrong) but it was also far more realistic than Disney's interpretation. They would have you believe that the empire lost most of their ships and military infrastructure in the space of one year? I think Generation Tech already did a video on this and the example they used was, imagine the US Navy which currently has 480 ships with 90 more in the planning stages, losing most of their ships in one year. It's just implausible and when you look at Disney's canon universe, just makes no sense and seems lazy like they didn't put much thought into it.
Ironically...well Disney is much more realistic, sure the Imperial fleet as 20-30 thousands ships but for an entire galaxy and that's an extremely pathetic number for a such enourmous space; add the collpase of the command chain, the overall fact that the imperial armed forces were never good and basically a mix of poorly trained and equipped occupation troops (thughs in uniforms) with many of them cut off from supply and reinforcements and being dealt by the locals (apparently the main imperial politics was to send a light garrison and if there is trouble call the fleet and reinforcement and use overwhelming brute force...a politics no more appliable widespread after Endor) and poorly equipped good troops the logistic chain severly impaired and Palpy final f..k you to the galaxy aka Operation Cinder (a plan totally in character with him) and you have something out of the italian collapse after the surrendering and the clusterfuck of the current russian invasion of Ukraine. The US navy example is not apt, the USN is a professional service manned by well trained and well motivated men and defend a goverment system that had contingency in case a decapitation strike happen; the imperial armed force is your run of the mill dictatorship army formed by corrupt officers that don't give a damn about their men and it's kept together by fierce indoctrination and abject fear and many many pray, his objective is not be truly combat capable but scare the population in submission. Hell one must look only to the tie fighter, it's a death trap and it's basically considered a feature only after having their ass handed to them so many time by numerically inferior but better trained and equipped forces they have decided to upgrade them but it was always a too little too late thing. Not considering that between Yavin and Endor there are only 4 years and during this time the imperials had lost the bulk of their best officers with the destruction of the first and second Death Star and the defeat of Thraw at Lothal.
@@lukedalton In the books they were preparing to fight an invasion from a neighboring galaxy. The invaders were far superior.
@@Vaioplayer88 it was more or less fanon that the Empire was preparing to fight the Vang, in reality Uncle Palpy had give Thraw some lip service about it but never really done anything about it...and thraw himself while a gary tz...ehm a brilliant tattician was a political illetterate that was really duped by him
@@lukedalton Only one mention 20000 - 30000 ISD not ships at all
@@tomaskops7119 it's more or less the same, the ISD are the type of ships that the entire Imperial fleet is build around...unfortunely are extremely costly in both term of men and supply and are the wrong type of ships. Sure if you must wage a conventional war or terrorize a planet into submission this are your type of ships but as counterinsurgency? it's like using the USS Nimitz to catch somali pirates but instead of the horn of Africa it's the entire east african coast your zone of operation. The rest of the entire fleet seem composed by a relatively small number of lightly protected transport and light cruiser and carrier. As example, the finale of Rebels see the entire 6 ISD (plus support) fleet of Thraw disappear and this mean the loss of at least 300.000 men in a single battle and the next week they have lost another million in the death star. With this kind of ratio, the Empire need many small and easily to build and replace ships and not megaubersuperduper capital ship that lack the versatility and the sufficient numbers
A Very well explained and real-world paralleled breakdown. Thank you.
Training is a big factor in how well an Army performs and fights on the battlefield.
This video has the best opening you've done so far. Amazing work!
I like how you brought attention to the situation in Ukraine without completely abandoning the topic
This was so fucking good!
I've neve ever considered so many of these points, and tying them in with real world examples really made me think.
Thanks, Generation Tech! I really learned a lot and got a lot to think about from this.
I think that this is my favorite video of your's. YOu really show -how- the collapse happened, give real world comparisons to it as examples, andg o into all these small things that add up. And you do a great job of explaining it. I think this is the best video of your's I've ever seen!
because 1 executor, 25 star destroyers, 40 Arquitence, and 55 Raiders joined my warlord faction and we have just been chillin in the unknow regions
Because Papa Palpatine was setting up another insurance scam to just rebuild it all in secret thats why.
Congratulations! Your Aurebesh script is no longer backwards! 👍 Super episode, too!
I do like your intro to this video it’s very dark and bleak but also a realistic telling.
Not really when you consider how real world Empires take years to decades to collapse and that's just a regional or planetary Empire. An Empire across a galaxy would take significantly longer than a year to fall. The Qing Empire is a perfect example. When it fell, Warlords took over and there were external invasions. It took nearly five decades for peace to return.
As I posted on a previous video, the Empire on Legends was a hateful and opressive government in many parts of the galaxy. It's not out of question to assume that after Endor whole populations must've risen up and hunted down ruthlessly any member or simpathizer of the imperial state apparatus they could get their hands on.
@west of whatever The Sith style of ruling pretty much guarantees that.
One of the things that is glossed over a lot is that the Galactic Civil War, both in the new canon and especially in Legends, is a very bloody and destructive war. How the New Republic dealt with worlds that had strong sympathies for the Empire? And the desire for getting even by the more hot headed rebels?
The problem is that in DisCan the Empire ISN'T nearly that oppressive. It lets women and aliens serve in the ranks equally unlike Legends. It has far fewer atrocities than Legends too. Compared to Legends, the DisCan Empire is significantly more liberal and lenient on its subjects so it actually makes even less sense that it's so unpopular.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I feel as though it became more apparent to Lucasfilm / Disney that a lot of people actually liked the Empire despite the whole blowing up Alderdaan thing. It therefore became neccesary to ramp up the atrocities and make the Empire to be an explicit Third Reich expy. Nuance went out the window in favour of a more simplistic interpretation.
I much prefer Timothy Zahn's interpretation which I feel was more realistic without white washing the negative aspects. Disney however prefers things less... "grey".
What I remember about the rise of the Empire is… is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip; we all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps- but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word.
The dialogue of that game is so superb.
A wave rapidly loses speed and strength without an ocean beneath it.
Beautiufl
Really appreciate the way you’re able to use real world examples to illustrate and really flesh out the different situations from sci-fi.
Fantastic video. I never understood how the seemingly invincible Empire just lost to a rag tag group of rebels. Yes they destroyed the death star but the Empire was extremely formidable even before the first death star. This is the first time I've seen someone flesh it all out and you did an excellent job.
As the old saying goes "Strategy is for amateurs. Logistics is for professionals"
Highly recommend the "Aftermath" trilogy, it covers the conon story behind the ending of the empire and how the origins of the first order came to be behind the cover of the battle of Jakku
That trilogy sucked what are you talking about
I feel this whould be more believable if them was more depictions of infighting in the imperial army but like in mass forms of defection. I know there's plenty of individuals in star wars who defected. But imagine a story of a star destroyer admiral and his crew and his legion. Constantly stopping out rebels in more and more brutal fashion. But it begins to wear them down no matter how much praise they receive. The constant brutality ultimately makes them resent in mass from the empire.
That was a part of the EAW imperial campaign. an admiral went to the rebels side and took a contingent of imperial forces with him that vader had to hunt down as they were hitting planet after planet.
@@theliato3809 ooo cool
If the Empire had realized to unit their remaining fleets to combine their resources, things would have been different. They could have lasted another 10-12 years and the new Republic would have been struggling to keep what they have. That would have made worlds loyal think the war was long from over.
I think a simpler explanation is that bad writing and questionable story choices is why the story ended the way they did.
Yes. Disney is great at that... See; Book of Boba Fett as definitive proof...
11:25 pretty sure the nazis didn't build a moon base lol
The stg 44 was originally refused by Hitler on the account that it was "ugly". The German high command went behind his back and ordered it anyway. Later a Russian tanker found one of those guns and designed the stripped down version we all know as the AK 47.
They also were suffering from the affects of having battle meditation suddenly stop working. There was an acolyte on the Interdictor cruiser that was using it for the Empire but the interdictor was destroyed.
Legends so much better than cannon. The galaxy wide empire took way longer to finally die out. Doesn't matter how much Disney tried to change cannon to make things make more sense. Won't change a thing.
This is your best video for me. You right in all your opinion
You missed a few key details on why the Empire collapsed so quickly.
Operation Cinder destroying a large number of Empire controlled and supporting planets decimated their support system.
The Gallius Rax consolidating all the remaining higher officers into the Shadow Council, just to kill them all as a part of the Contingency, ruined command structures.
A large number of ISDs and higher ranked officers just abandoned the fight by the Battle of Jakku to head into the Unknown Region to form the First Order, as a part of the Contingency.
The Battle of Jakku was intended to be the final stage of the Contingency, as the planet was meant to explode killing all Empire and New Republic ships decimating both sides forces. This plan was foiled by Admiral Sloane, leaving the low level Governors and Moffs to fend for themselves, while the higher ups fled.
No successor was picked by Palatine as he intended to live, and did. He knew if/when one day he died, he'd need to start fresh. So he set the Contingency into effect to destroy both sides, while he revived in a cloned body out on Exagol along with the Sith Eternal and the previously mentioned high ranked officers to form the First Order and later Final Order Sith legions.
Palatine deliberately crippled the Empire to wipe it out as a means to trying to claim success from defeat. Only to fail again 30 years later.
That's a lot of words for "We wrote a bullshit story and didn't know how to write ourselves out of it."
@@scoutman66 that could be said about many franchises that continue beyond their usual scope. Legends, aka the old canon, had a lot of contradictory bullshit, some good, some bad. And if you played the Battlefront 2 and Squadrons campaigns, its not a bad story. And it works in the context of the sequels and Mandoverse. It explains why the big bad is only a Moff of the remnant and not someone higher
God damn this makes me realize Star Wars should not have had sequels. Or if they did set them a few hundred years later. The sequel trilogy seriously fucked canon up
@@kotyissocool not defending the sequels quality, just accepting their story and how it is fleshed out in further media, such as the Mandoverse, Bad Batch, etc. going forward. And the prequels also had issues with the canon of how they tied into the oridge tridge. Its a problem of any sequel or prequel. How can you perfectly fit more into a story AND recapture the lightning in a bottle of the first one
@@DantheGif except that those expansions directly and indirectly contradict the Sequel Trilogy. But then, the Sequel Trilogy contradicts itself so...
Maybe its because they realized that even after 20 years, the Galaxy was still bankrupt, the Emperor who was supposed to protect them was spending all the budget on planet-destroying death-machines, and all the storm troopers outside the 501st asked, "Hey...what exactly are they _paying us_ with?"
What about squadrons the imperials won the campaign?
Nobody's gonna talk about the Moon base?
The one thing that never should have happened was the loss of the Executor. Modern day carriers have many alternate way to steer the ship if the main bridge is lost. Unless someone died over top some control surface, the ship impact should have only taken out a part of the main bridge. It absolutely shouldn't have immediately nosed down into the death star.
The Executor was heavily damaged at that point. In ROTJ Admiral Akbar orders all craft to attack it. When it does nose dive in the DS2 it's trailing a large plum of flame from the side of its engines.
“They felt palpatine die”
Disney: 🙃
Great Video. Now knowing about how the Empire slowly collapsed, the more the Last Order makes no sense.
This was two days ago how did I miss this with no notifications
Hit the bell thingy
Empire: loses its Leader and superweapons
Palpatine’s plan: so anyway, i started blastin’ planets that were already loyal to me
Some of the factors leading to the Empire's demise in Disney Canon make sense, but the timeline is still entirely too short. Legends did a much better job here, with the Empire itself keeping ahold of Corescant for much longer, the Thrawn campaign breathing new life into it, and finally, after 15 *years* after Endor, it was the Imperial Remnant, *not* the New Republic, that extended the olive branch. Disney underestimates just how huge a place space is, and just how many resources keep the Empire going for how much longer. Legends, on the other hand, was written by actual science fiction writers (especially Timothy Zahn, who has written far more military sci fi than just Star Wars), who had much more of an idea of what they were doing.
I could pick apart your comparison to the end of WWII for inaccuracies, but you know, even if the specifics were wrong, overall it's an accurate description of what went on by the end of the war.
Same with his Ukraine propaganda
@@anyoneseenmybicepilostitin2727 well, he got the general gist of it right. some of the names were wrong. that's really it. I'm a little nitpicky on details. I gotta force myself to not fixate on other's mistakes if it doesn't damage the overall point.
@@anyoneseenmybicepilostitin2727 also LMAO at your name.
I prefer the Legends version.
Thanks for making this always wondered how they fell
In the Star Wars EU it took the Rebel Alliance five years to fight their way to Coruscant and seizing it, only then did Empire considered to have lost the Galactic Civil War.
And it will be possible...if the Empire armed forces was something akin to a professional forces instead of the corrupt 'all glitter and zero substance mess that basically is forced to strip everything from the mid and outer rim planets and it's hated fiercely by everyone that's not the corrupt higher up'
Not only that, the New Republic LOST Coruscant to Thrawn for a while, then came back. I know, WHAT!? THE GOOD GUYS LOST FOR A BIT! It's truly shocking I know. EU is the True Canon.
9:48 off topic but I’ve seen this millions of time and just noticed the crowed lifting a dead storm trooper
This was one off the epics Intros for a Video in my TH-cam lifetime. xD
11:20 the way you just snuck that in there xD
Almost fell out of my chair at the mention of Nazi Moon base. I LOVED Iron Sky.
Love the analogy being employed in this video.
Can you guys do a Siege of Arrakeen battle analysis video please?
I'm nitpicking here but when sturmgewher/mp series of weapons the Nazi's used was the first automatic weapon using "intermediate" rifle cartridges. Sturmgewher literally translates to storm rifle or assault rifle and created what eventually became definitive of the term assault rifle to this day (select fire rifles [aka it can run fully automatic] using immediate rifle cartridges)
Great assessment. In real-world Navies the ratio of logistical support ships to war-fighting ships is about 1 logistical support ship for every 2 combat-ready ships. This is with ships with a maximum crew capacity of under 5,000 (the world’s largest aircraft carrier is less than a quarter the length of an Imperial Star Destroyer). A ship the size of an Imperial Star Destroyer has a lot of open space and cargo capacity but with that many crew members and sophisticated pieces of equipment the logistics of keeping a ship of that size and complexity have got to be overwhelming.
9:18 never thought I would see John Deere farm tractors being used to tow war machines for repair.
Actual answer: It didn't, Disney-canon is all a bad fever dream and the Legends continuity where Grand Admiral Thrawn kept the Imperials in the fight for years is the true timeline.
Agreed.
Can you do video about dark empire and thrawn trilogy?
I like the Wolfenstein joke you made with the Nazi moon base!
Actually iron sky but close enough
I love the Legends version abit better. The Imperial Military was fractured into sub-factions by the Warlords who held sectors of the Galaxy.
While the Imperial Military did held together for a time it did fall apart under the strain of the economy and lack of leadership. Plus, with the lack of trust between Warlords they often have infighting. Until Admiral Thrawn finally took leadership.
Can you please continue the sepratist alliance vs earth series please
Palpatine sabotaging the empire to fall if he died makes perfect sense to his character, he wants him in charge and no one else
Anyone know what the music playing in the back ground is?
Maybe a lot of the storm troopers no longer believed in what the Empire was doing but they where stuck...and all scattered at their first oppertunity
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Great breakdown video! Though I understand how this all went down, I’ll never except the fact that as vast and powerful as the empire was, that they fell in just one whole year. But, it is what it is.
Technically 4 or 5 years, yavin was the beginning of the end for them as they previously mentioned the destruction of the first deathstar most definitely started a recession and a security crisis in one swoop.
Basically, they were bankrupt before Endor, having poured everything they had into building a new Death Star while also fighting an ever-bolder Rebellion. Then they have mass uprisings, a breakdown in coordination and constant battle without resupply that ground them to a pulp.
For a real-life comparison, the Pacific Theater of WWII saw, in a single calendar year (December 7, 1941-1942), the Japanese military conquer the Philippines, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Burma, and half of New Guinea (most of that in about 5-6 months) and then be torn to pieces by constant battle (including four carrier battles and at least as many surface ship fights) that left it basically incapable of offensive operations. A modern military can fit a LOT of fighting into a year.
Lets be honest about the topic, it's because disney touched it. Disney has ample material to build into "cannon" and they time and time again drop the ball. Basically disney saying "because we said so". Also god forbid the "good guys" lose.
They rushed it to put efforts into the final 3 failures.
Agreed.
i just want a live action Jakku battle. Imagine how crazy that would be.
Russian military: One year? Give us two months!
Nice background 😀
I don't get one thing. Why did the Imperial remnants even existed in the first place? And by that, I mean why they continued to fight the losing battle, especially since they do not know about the First Order in the Unknown Regions like at all? Why don't just laid low and try to adjust their lives with the Third Republic?
Legends had a good explanation for that.
Basically, the New Republic tended to be a weaker central government than the Empire, but in the worst ways. They did very little to curb piracy and smuggling (arguably, the New Republic's prosecution of an ongoing war against the Imperial Remnant as a peer military power made those problems worse); they were reluctant to get involved in long-standing local disputes, even really vicious ones that bordered on ethnic cleansing; and while they were more willing to square off against Imperial incursions, they didn't have nearly enough ships or troops to station a serious task force at every world. That meant a fleet led by an ISD could show up, raid the system, wreak a ton of damage, and vanish before any reinforcements from the New Republic Navy showed up - which, incidentally, is exactly what Thrawn did for months in the original Thrawn Trilogy.
The Empire, on the other hand, offered not just protection, but _stability._ Only a fraction of the Imperial military was tasked with hunting down the Rebellion; the rest were deployed as garrison forces, peacekeepers, and anti-piracy patrols that enforced the law. Having a third party that can metaphorically grab warring tribes by the scruff of the neck and drag them apart isn't exactly gentle, or cheap, or even a long-term solution by itself, but it gives the locals a chance to chill for a bit and resolve things without devolving into yet another generation of bloodbaths.
The New Republic got a big taste of that with the revelation of the 'Caamas Document'. Basically, a rumor started circulating that this doc contained a list of, among others, Bothans who were complicit in the brutal glassing of the planet Caamas. Until that point, exactly who had done the deed was kind of a mystery, because the strike force left no survivors and the Caamasi themselves were well-liked by pretty much everyone. Exactly which Bothans were responsible for the atrocity wasn't clear, but that didn't matter much: huge numbers of armed ships from other planets started showing up at Bothawui to wreak bloody revenge, and most were perfectly happy to just start shooting until they felt better. The more restrained groups were content to do things like only murder, say, six Bothans at random because only six of their own people were on Caamas when it was destroyed. Nasty stuff - and a lot of worlds basically figured that the New Republic might talk a good game about being an open forum and letting the diplomatic process resolve things peacefully, but if everyone is that ready to throw down just on the strength of a _rumor,_ then maybe things were actually safer under the Empire.
The Empire's huge and mostly-dispersed military also meant that most Imperial worlds could count on having a decently sized Imperial defense force either on hand, or close enough for the planet to hold out and wait for reinforcements if they came under attack. Even a remote world like Bakura, for instance, had enough of an Imperial presence to hold out for weeks against a full-scale Ssi-Ruuvi invasion fleet until a task force from the Rebels at Endor could arrive.
@@tba113 ,
While what you said is true... you neglect that it was Grand Admiral Flim (aka Thrawn), who sent out agents to produce said conflict. However, the part I facepalm about is... _why_ would people against genocide attempt to commit genocide? Wouldn't they just be hunted down and killed, as a punishment for their crimes?
Worse, why would people take their warships, which are expensive to maintain, to a system protected by a system defence force _and_ the Republic? They would be declaring war on the Republic.
Honestly, the person who wrote this wasn't all that smart...
@@aralornwolf3140 Asserting that Timothy Zahn isn't very smart or doesn't think his book plots through is an... Interesting position.
It's been a while since I last read the books, but part of the reason why so many groups were ready to attack Bothawui was because they thought the Bothan government was sheltering the war criminals. The Bothan government's claim that they as a whole had no idea who the perpetrators were mostly fell on deaf ears, because that's just the sort of thing a collaborator would say.
For the New Republic's part, they told the various fleets that showed up at Bothawui that attacking the planet would indeed constitute an act of war, and would be responded to with lethal force. But that didn't really help things any more than the Bothan government's claim of ignorance: the attacking forces concluded that the NR as a whole must either be dupes of the Bothans, or possibly even in on the conspiracy as well. To the attackers, this made the Bothan government and the New Republic little better than the war criminals they were supposedly hiding, so if avenging Caamas meant getting kicked out of the NR, then it must not have been a worthwhile club to be in anyway.
As for why a group would be comfortable with inflicting genocide in retaliation for the crime of genocide in the first place, "an eye for an eye" isn't a particularly nuanced approach, but it's not exactly an uncommon one, either.
@@tba113 ,
Timothy Zhan wrote it? Fine, I'll change my statement. This isn't a very well thought out book by such an illustrious author. Such things happen.
@@aralornwolf3140 I'll be the first to admit it's been years since I last read that story, so any seeming inconsistencies can probably be chalked up to either my spotty memory of it, or to my incomplete retelling of the plotline. It seemed consistent enough when I read it.
Hello there friends welcome back to another episode of Generation Tech my name is Allen
I heard of novels where Sidious was still alive and Luke went to study under him. Not to mention episode 9.
"bolt action rifles" - shows a guy holding an MG42 lol
I like legends better, it is more realistic and it explains things better. Such as the fact that the Emperor had not successor because he was working on finding a way to live forever. Also he had, intentionally or not, introduced the Sith ideology of always seeking personal power into his subordinates by setting them against each other for his favor. Thus, once he was gone, no one was in charge and many who could immediately began to try to either seize control of the Empire, or build one of their own.
I personally think that Palpy really don't choose a successor for the real reason many dictator do it only very late in life or if you are NK you designate a member of the family early on (after all it's basically an absolute monarchy). Because once you name a successor you create competition and someone who can legitimate take your power once you are removed and if you add the SIth ideology that permeated the Empire due to Palpy actions, choosing of people and method of governance it's easy to image why he had left no heir...except Vader naturally as by Sith creed if he is killed by him or survived it mean that he is stronger and so he has the right to power but is a rule appliable only to him