The correct use of the tanpura Jiva (threads)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- This video is part of a series of educational videos to help musicians with some of the basic maintenance of Indian musical instruments.
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THATS HOW IT WORKS!! I had wondered for a long time how the bridges of such instruments were made so specifically to get that sound, but this makes way more sense, being fine-tuned like this!
Hi Toss Levy. Very happy to find your channel. To me the tanpura seems to provide an ocean of vibrational waves that the other instruments sail upon.
A revelation! many thanks to you Toss Levy
Your welcome Joe
Thank you so much!! I just restored a smashed one (pumpkin looked like exploded) and I was just wondering why I did not have overtones, you made me happy!!
Your welcome! Pleased to have been of some assistance.
Great information, was searching for the Jiva string related information for a very long time. Thank you for your help and demo
Great information
மிகவும் பயனுள்ள தகவல்கள்
thank you Chandra
Beautiful information...Thank you so much❤️
You are welcome
Awesome channel, subscribed!
Thank you Danyjr!
Awesome demonstration
Thank you, I do my best
@@jawari5 Have you ever worked on Tanjore Tamburas, or do have any thoughts on them with regard to construction/acoustic properties relative to the Miraj instruments?
I'm sorry, regarding the acoustic qualities I unfortunately have too little expierence with Tanjore tanpuras to be able to comment on this. I suspect the basic principle will be the same. They do however use different materials for the bridge. Miraj uses hard wood, bone, horn or nylon (delrin or elforyn) . Tanjore uses mostly brass. This alone will give a drifferent timbre.
@@tosslevyindianmusicalinstr5507 Got it! Thank you for the info!
This has been a great help thanks so much. What is a good source for tuning other then an electric Tanpura box?
tuning forks
Thank you
You're welcome
This is amazing. Would it work with a "box tanpura"?
Basicfally, this process will work on any instrument. However it will depend on 3 factors...
1. The curveature of the flat table bridge is correct and according to the principles of jawari. This should be checked by a professional.
2. The string is tuned, and the gauge is correct according to its length and mensure. It will not work if the string is too loose or too taught.
3. The jiva (threads) should be thin, preferably sowing thread. Do not use double thick...if necessary, just take a thicker thread. Follow the instructions in the video.
I hope this helps you 🙏🏼
Thank you very much for this good sir!! ☺️🙏✨
You are welcome
which type of thread should we use?silk or cotton or nylon/synthetic?? which one?
Basically every situation is different. My advice is to buy all kinds of threads and thicknesses and experiment. You will find your own personal preferences.
@@tosslevyindianmusicalinstr5507 tanpura tuning is quite difficult for me ....what should I do ,if you can give me some tips..I am tuning it with help of electronic tanpura
Hello Subodh,
It's extremely difficult to explain this in words. This is a short explanation, to get you started. Be patient as this is a difficult process and you will get better with pratice.
It is also a question of the musicians ability to listen to the tanpura string and copy the note you hear as precisely as possible on your own instrument. I find it easier if you tune a string up to the note. In other words start the tuning in a slightly lower note and slowly tune up until the two notes "melt together". This has helpt me.
The other thing to mention is the importance of physical process of tuning. I often use a chromatic tuner to help me. The precision of the ear is better but the tuner does help a lot. Once you are close to the "melting point" using the tuning peg, we fix the peg so it wont slip. We follow by checking the tuner. Firstly, if the tone is too high, we pull or press the string. Then the tone will drop. Then using the peg we tighten up a fraction. Repeat this untill the sting tuning becomes stable.
The next step is the fine tuning. It is done as follows... basically the bead is mostly used for tuning up and the pressing or rubbing of the string will lower the tone . Keep this in mind.
Once the string is plucked check the chromatic tuner until you achieve stability of the required note. Continue this process on all strings. Once the tuning is completed, the jiva process can begin.
I hope this helps you.
I may make a video of this process in the future.
Great
Thank you
Hi. Does anyone know, if you can use any pearl, with a hole in it, as a substitute for a lost bead? Is there anything about the shape or the material i should be aware of? I lost one of my beads, when i re-stringed my 4-string tanpura. Hope to get some help 🙂🙏
Hi Simon, any bead will do as long as it is not too big or too small, and can easily pass the other beads.
@@jawari5 Very good to hear. Thank you! 😊
This was very helpful, thank you. At the Ali Akbar College of Music I learned a few tanpura jokes in the 1980s. Do you know any?
Please share the jokes!
Muito chique hein parabéns meu grande, ótimo 😇🎵🎶🎻😇🙏💯
Thank you for your kind words.
Never knew that......thanks
Your welcome
Hi Wondering why on my Tanpura seems to be a very short decay from the strings and have to be played rather hard ? I have set the jiva on the bridge. Can you please help
Hello Gar....
I suggest you try using thinner threads. This problem may be caused by the threads being to thick and therefore dampening the sound.
Also, if this does not help then check to see if the gauge of the strings are good according to your tuning preferences.
Another possibility could be the bridge itself. Check to see if there are grooves etched into the bridge directly under the strings. This will cause sound issues. In this case you must do the jawari, the process of reshaping the bridge to acquire your preferred sound and timbre. This should be done by a professional repairer.
I hope this can help you.
@@jawari5 great thank you so much for your prompt reply. I think maybe the thread is the issue so will try this. Thanks so much will let.you know how I get on
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Which tread is best for C# tanpura Thick or thin?
This depends entirely on the string gauge and the jiwari . I always start with the thinnest thread as this has the best sustain. Slowly try threads thicker and thicker until you are happy with the sound. The tuning is not a factor in this.
Sir these are missing csn i get them
Manjunath, Use sowing thread, try different thicknesses untill you are happy with the sound.
This is great information. Is it same for sitar?
Hello Tyger Tyger, sitar does not use the jiva system because it is a melodic instrument using frets. A tanpura simply uses the open strings. The jawari is drifferent on both instruments.
Kind regards, Toss Levy
@@jawari5 Thank you.
Hi, Should the Tanpura have a very buzzy sound or a more subtle resonant sound or is it a matter of preference? I notice you set the Jivas at a very buzzy position when setting them, but at the end when playing it, it had a more subtle sound.
Hi friend,
Usually, the musician will base the tuning and the amount of buzz according to his/her own preferences. Sometimes however, it is not possible to get the sound your looking for. In this case try using other thicknesses of the jiva thread, and if you still have no sucess, then it is highly likely that the bridge may need some maintenance, this is called jawari. It is advisable to search for a professional person who can do this job well. Good luck!
@@jawari5 Thanks, that's helpful. Just got a travel Tanpura, love it. Is there much difference in sound and quality between the travvel ones and the full size traditional ones, ive heard people say the sound of travel ones is not as good?
@@justahumanbeing.709 I agree, the full sized male tanpura has the fullest and most profound sound. The smaller the instrument, the less overtones, sustain and warmth in the sound quality.
@@jawari5 thanks.
Wooden flat tanpura is best sir ?
This depends mainly on the thickness and quality of the wood, and the bridge and quality of the jawari.
@@tosslevyindianmusicalinstr5507 sir in miraj they making in tun wood sir
It is professional ?
Tun is acousticaly the best wood and Miraj the best makers.
@@tosslevyindianmusicalinstr5507 plz can I text u in WhatsApp sir ?
I have doubts