IRON FLAME is an ABSOLUTE DISASTER | DEEP DIVE PT1

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  • @ReadswithRachel
    @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

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  • @2natrix
    @2natrix 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1583

    I think the worst part about this series is that there's a good story in there somewhere but the author is two busy making her dolls kiss to notice it.

    • @notreal9214
      @notreal9214 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

      she's not even making them kiss just having pretend arguments smh my head. Also for as much as the author talks about wanting to provoke discussions about knowledge and censorship she clearly doesn't know how to effectively tie it into the story. This would have been so much more tolerable if she'd just stuck with the romance and forgotten all the 'important' stuff.

    • @marocat4749
      @marocat4749 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      It even could be an indoctrinated person deconstruct their beliefs about the empire story and that her mom tries to kill her. And she be way too patriotic while her dad, and the scribes, and xaden do the best to hint her and he makes her crack, or something.
      That way she could be smart, but also buy the empire propaganda, and see him as enemy when he really isnt.
      Ther could be a good story. several even probably.

    • @bawkah8378
      @bawkah8378 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Hmph, I think it would be better if she completely gave up on the story and just wrote erotica at this point tbh

    • @theedexterspeckman6512
      @theedexterspeckman6512 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      that’s the issue with literally every booktok book

    • @AshChiCupcak
      @AshChiCupcak 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      The more I learn about this book, the more it feels like just a different fantasy version of house of night. It's just missing the hugely stereotypical best friends and maybe two less boyfriends. The story in there is interesting but God the writing and the characters are insufferable.

  • @faramirbutnothatone
    @faramirbutnothatone 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +919

    The Rebellion? The Separatists? The Empire? Pack it up George Lukas

    • @javierlopez9789
      @javierlopez9789 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      She is even trying to pull an Anakin Skywalker with Xaden

    • @faramirbutnothatone
      @faramirbutnothatone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      @@javierlopez9789 LMAOO at least Anakin slayed

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      At least Lucas actually showed the politics

    • @larissabetty7020
      @larissabetty7020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Anakin definitely slayed… the younglings 😉

  • @slenders1ckn3ss
    @slenders1ckn3ss 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +878

    A book that explores the question, "What if the Chosen One was an idiot? And also there's 🐉"

    • @exomake_mehorololo
      @exomake_mehorololo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are there chosen ones who aren't idiots? All the ones in YA books I read are morons

    • @xiexielian
      @xiexielian 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      😂😂😂

    • @Saphia_
      @Saphia_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I CACKLED

    • @Ellisepha
      @Ellisepha 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Dragons are too good for this series...

    • @tomorrow.
      @tomorrow. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Oh and the dragon apparently choose her for her wits. Which doesn't work when she is emotional, which she is more than half of the book and her emotional intelligence is -1

  • @viciousbagel
    @viciousbagel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1765

    The bar was so low and somehow Rebecca Yarros limboed under it

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +427

      WITH A SHIMMY AND A PRAYER

    • @TheTrueKarin
      @TheTrueKarin 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +200

      My Grandpa always loves to say
      „It doesn‘t matter how low we lay the bar - Some idiot will walk beneath it. Head high and proudly.“

    • @Kat-ff6bg
      @Kat-ff6bg 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

      the bar was in hell and she brought out a shovel

    • @pinkbunny6272
      @pinkbunny6272 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      She dug a tunnel beneath the line.

    • @emmyrose233
      @emmyrose233 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      The bar was in hell and she had a limbo competition with Satan

  • @Ceruleansquid-lo3iv
    @Ceruleansquid-lo3iv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +982

    honestly, the idea of violet not caring about the prince/the royal family would be cool if it showed how disconnected the military was from the monarch. it would show how much they were secretly in control and the king was a puppet. but no, violet just doesn't care.

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +205

      I agree. Making her apathetic makes WAY more sense than her just being aloof.

    • @laraminroe7545
      @laraminroe7545 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      More like she’s too busy thirsting over how hot Xaden is 💀

    • @asobimo5532
      @asobimo5532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@laraminroe7545his name is spelled with an X??? All I hear is Zeyden or Zayden

    • @laraminroe7545
      @laraminroe7545 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@asobimo5532 LOL yeah it’s spelled with an X! Rachel made it clear in the first video when she said “it’s Xaden with an X” 😂

    • @asobimo5532
      @asobimo5532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      @@laraminroe7545 it's been so long since I watched the video of the first book. Sometimes I put it in the backround like a podcast while I do chores 😂

  • @lifeisgouda2602
    @lifeisgouda2602 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +606

    Jesinia over here transcribing the same argument between Violet and Xaden 500 times... plus on top of that, documenting all of Violet's thirsty thoughts and then going into explicit detail about them having s3x ...girl I know they' ain't paying you enough for that sh!t

    • @Sistertotherain9
      @Sistertotherain9 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +145

      Imagine how much better this book could be if the story was periodically interrupted by a sarcastic transcriber commenting on the teenage nonsense or ignorance of the characters. I'm thinking footnotes like from the Ciaphus Cane series, or Johnathan Strange and Mr. Norrell.

    • @lembotron
      @lembotron 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is unbelievably repetitive isn't it. We get it - you're hot, you're arguing, you want to fuck, you don't trust each other, you're fucking. Something something Xaden's muscles.

    • @ladytopaz6358
      @ladytopaz6358 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      @@Sistertotherain9god if Rebecca actually committed to the harm that censorship causes she could’ve started off the first book with Jesinia writing a introductory note that’s says something like,”Hello, if you are reading this it means we’re all dead. Maybe there are gods out there.” And the story probably could’ve been told in this journalistic way with random annotations as she gets new information and the scribe has honestly always known that there was something wrong with her country but the more she scribes Violet’s story the more she realizes just how bad it is.

  • @whatareyousayinggirl
    @whatareyousayinggirl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +660

    the worst part of the book for me was the complete erasure of Violet's disability outside of Yarros using it like a disability super power 🤢 So now it is not only that she pushes through all her pain and symptoms (which is toxic and unhealthy but doesnt seem to affect her), she is now the poster child for the super-crip trope. For an author to allegedly want to "represent EDS and all its subtypes" and to inspire people, to put a foreword to Zebras (people with EDS) saying "not all strength is physical", and then go about writing these books where Violet's strength very much IS her physical prowess and ability to transcend her pain....
    Violet has a super-human pain tolerance and can apparently take being tortured so much better than everyone else. She is never doing realistic pain management or anything and I have to wonder why the rep is being held up like some amazing achievement when it's so shallow and neglects even basic EDS logic?
    I LOATHED how she was "still healing" from said torture and then that was only mentioned because Xaden was so horny and he wanted to be rough with her, and she just goes "give it to me" and there is once again ZERO consideration of her body's needs in relation to her EDS. The rep at this point is problematic af

    • @whatareyousayinggirl
      @whatareyousayinggirl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      She even erases the chronic pain that Violet and Xaden's dragons allegedly experience from bring so seperated for so long; It's mentioned when the rule is instituted by the evil guy Varrish, and then it's mentioned once or twice more with throw-away lines, but is never actually an active part of the narrative. It's there for tension, but has no bearing. We never see anything meaningful done with it, it's just established and then forgotten.
      While I could get behind a character's chronic pain being just a casual part of a narrative, something that is just a constant underlying element, in this book with already near-constant forgetting and pushing through disability symptoms and pain, this feels even more questionable and frustrating. We could have *actually* had Tairn live by his performative "strength isn't only physical" line from book 1 by having him model to Violet how you can and SHOULD rest or treat yourself to a hot bath when you're low on spoons, but that would mean Yarros actually thought about things 🙄

    • @26349
      @26349 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      This, this and this!!!🔥👏

    • @isynielsen2716
      @isynielsen2716 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      god i feel all of this so hard. as someone with EDS, Violet does not strike me as a fellow sufferer. like i get that disabilities effect everyone differently, but atp it just doesn't even make any sense. instead of being a character with EDS, it comes off as rebecca writing everything and then occasionally remembering "oh yeah i should stick in a line about pain or dislocation again, i haven't done that in a while"

    • @jessietea
      @jessietea 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Watching this while in an EDS flare and I am so glad someone already said this because my hands hurt too much to type much. I was so excited about the representation but it’s the opposite of what it should be!

  • @morganchoate254
    @morganchoate254 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +472

    This book gives a 14 year old’s passion project that lives in a Lisa frank notebook and never should have seen the light of day

    • @Artbyhurricanyounot
      @Artbyhurricanyounot 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      THAT IS SO FUCKING FUNNY 🤣🤣

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

      This is my favorite comment.

    • @xRaiofSunshine
      @xRaiofSunshine 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Not Lisa Frank 😭

    • @Two_andahalf_devil
      @Two_andahalf_devil 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      They way you absolutely violated Lisa Frank😭

    • @n4musica
      @n4musica 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I was a 14 year old who wrote a full length novel in a Lisa frank binder!😆 I see so many similarities between this series and my little story… that I wrote with no experience, help, or an editor 🤦🏾‍♀️

  • @Forty2Times
    @Forty2Times 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +553

    This whole second book felt like the = of "somehow Palpatine has returned!"

  • @jordanbrown3816
    @jordanbrown3816 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +365

    Violet reads as very annoying unreasonable and immature, yet we are told she is also the most smartest wise empathetic and powerful girlboss slayyy hope for humanity like…

    • @simpleton3781
      @simpleton3781 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Ikr ? I really wish we could see (or I see read) her being clever. Like in book one maybe she maps out how to get across that one initiation point in a deft manner. But no ???

    • @noga9895
      @noga9895 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      It's honestly a thankless job to write a clever character, because most authors haven't ever been in that position. Too many writers think that high intelligence just translates to "reads a lot" or "does math really quickly" and that's why every smart girl is just a whiny bookworm these days.
      IMO it could work if Violet actually being immature and ignorant was the point, but clearly it isn't. 😔

    • @simpleton3781
      @simpleton3781 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@noga9895 i totally agree !!!! When the main character is a bookworm like that’s a hobbies not a sign of intelligence. Just bc they read doesn’t mean they think critically or analyze the text like ??? Ik plenty of readers, I’m studying to be a librarian, but this doesn’t mean they’re clever. Sometimes to be clever one must also be like ??? A bit ruthless and secretive - once again something violet isn’t. It is thankless work ironically until books like these appear and lead us back to our favorite characters and appreciate them more

  • @mollyapteros
    @mollyapteros 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +534

    Wait. The MC is wounded and she wakes up where a rebellion against the evil government is secretly based, which happens to be a place that was supposedly destroyed? This all sounds glaringly familiar...

    • @lizabethhampton4537
      @lizabethhampton4537 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +185

      Yeah I heard the description of this supposedly burned district and immediately thought of District 13

    • @bib4eto656
      @bib4eto656 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

      I've never read, and just read really short summaries of the Hunger Games, and even I immediately thought of that.

    • @DevilBeDamned
      @DevilBeDamned 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      I thought of the red queen trilogy

    • @ellaadair
      @ellaadair 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@DevilBeDamned Me too!

    • @Saphia_
      @Saphia_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@bib4eto656 Same-ish! I know like 5 things about Hunger Games and I still thought of that.

  • @hehevalerie
    @hehevalerie 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +335

    god the whole time i was like WHY in gods name is this librarian translating violet's smut journals

    • @maledictionwolf
      @maledictionwolf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      Weirdly one of the most realistic things about this book. People want to know about the sex lives of famous people, and if they're important enough in the history books scholars will write articles and even entire dissertations about said sex lives.
      The diaries of Queen Victoria, published and edited by _her own children_, talks extensively about her sex life and how well hung her husband was and how much she loved getting it on with him.
      The letters of James Joyce, also published and about which scholarly works have been written, include an incredible amount of smut written between him and his wife, and in addition to the more general sexting-but-in-letter-form,
      oh boy did the man LOVE farts, and not in the childish humor sense, in the sense that it got him very, _very_ "excited."
      Point being, this is absolutely something that would be transcribed, and given that the theme of this book seems to be government control of information, it being unexpurgated, unsanitized, and in full would actually be kinda important in universe.

    • @hehevalerie
      @hehevalerie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@maledictionwolf it is hilarious that its her friend who did it though. i'm trying to imagine my college roommate transcribing detailed accounts of my sex life and i think i would just die

    • @presshusfightlady3966
      @presshusfightlady3966 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I was gonna suggest that it's at least unrealistic that Vi would write down every thought she had about how sexy what'shisface is, but Vi's an idiot, so that's also probabky pretty valid

  • @kymar4810
    @kymar4810 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +411

    Your use of Kronk for these reviews is iconic tbh

    • @spiceworld1997
      @spiceworld1997 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      no matter how many times it plays it cracks me up every time

    • @xRaiofSunshine
      @xRaiofSunshine 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Kronk, the gift that keeps on giving o7

    • @krow5099
      @krow5099 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Ikr and the yugioh cards had me dying

  • @kandibug5303
    @kandibug5303 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +446

    I think Iron Flame could be called A Book of Endless Arguments and Frustrations.

  • @mst3kharris
    @mst3kharris 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +289

    Violet’s failure to ask questions or think about the implications of anything is a real indictment of Scribal training, when you think about it.

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +129

      She asks questions, but only conveniently the ones Rebecca wants her to in the scene. Not the questions she logically should be asking, because Rebecca needs Violet to only ask those at a certain point in the book so the plot can happen in a certain way. Violets happy to ask “how do you create a wardstone?” But not “hey xaden, how is it possible that brennan faked his death and who else knows?”

    • @mst3kharris
      @mst3kharris 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@ReadswithRachelso Scribes actually have the power to read ahead!

    • @cassettetape7643
      @cassettetape7643 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      ​@@mst3kharris Lol!

  • @River_Waikato
    @River_Waikato 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +318

    I still can't look at the book cover without reading it as Iron Flamf

    • @TeenieTinyTina
      @TeenieTinyTina 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Lmao

    • @mst3kharris
      @mst3kharris 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That’s what it says!

    • @taylorjones7174
      @taylorjones7174 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Omg! I never noticed that!!! Hahaha! 😂😂

    • @tealrootsg
      @tealrootsg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      hELP

  • @SolarimSolarim
    @SolarimSolarim 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +178

    Also the way I laughed out loud at my job over “DO NOT CITE THE DEEP MAGIC TO ME WITCH, I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN”

  • @applebonker141
    @applebonker141 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +213

    There's a criticism for books where people will say a book feels like its written by a frustrated screenwriter and I have a hard time articulating why exactly but I got a really distinct feeling "Fourth Wing" started as a movie or TV pitch like "Harry Potter/Divergent with dragons! :D" like something about the way the plot is unfolding feels really like a fantasy show for the CW or something. Even the development for "now this book is about anti-imperialism" feels like a show going into its new season like "stakes are high, alliances are formed. who can you trust?" Like even somehow the tryhard cringey millenial slang in the dialogue feels straight out of "Riverdale" or something.

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      The riverdale comment 😂 true

    • @amara560
      @amara560 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      The whole time I was reading this it felt like I was watching a tv show!

  • @thisisabookchannel
    @thisisabookchannel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +333

    i love that she is putting Rhiannon in the same position she was in with regards to info about what’s going on and can’t see the hypocrisy

    • @WhiteGinger10000
      @WhiteGinger10000 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@thisisabookchannel It would have been a perfect character building moment if Violet recognized that this is what Xaden must have felt keeping away info.

  • @fionamclary7631
    @fionamclary7631 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +177

    17:21 The circus is empty, and all the clowns are here

    • @robinronin
      @robinronin 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Maybe the real clowns are the friends Violet made along the way 😌

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      That’s certainly true in the case of Ridoc^

  • @fionamclary7631
    @fionamclary7631 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +178

    Linguistics/languages is one of my special interests, and whenever someone does something like conflating two endangered languages with a history of repression, it...does not make me happy. I have no issues with creators drawing heavily on existing languages for their conlangs, but only if they respect the real languages and know which ones they're using-not accidentally using a language because they thought it was the same as another one!

    • @bbo7002
      @bbo7002 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Eyyy language is one of my special interests too!! I've been studying Irish and Gàidhlig for ~10 years now, and seeing two languages I love get mashed together and twisted around like barbie dolls in a kid's hands is..... very painful, to say the least 🥲
      I'm just glad someone else is annoyed by it too, it makes me feel so validated lol 😅 had to get up and walk away a few times, take breaks and listen to some of my fave Julie Fowlis songs to calm down. I'm all for each of the extant Celtic languages getting more recognition bc they're in various degrees of danger but like......maybe could we have some GOOD respectful representation pls? Maybe the author could take an online class or something? Duolingo? Or just do some solid research? Find a forum and ask ppl to translate or check names for you?? Something??? ANYTHING????
      I feel a lil bad for fixating on this, but since Yarros used a REAL language, and there's multiple ways for her to have made sure that she was using it correctly, it's a lot harder for me to overlook than it would be if it were ONLY a matter of her needing to improve more subjective stuff like characterization or writing style. But we have the Internet! We have social media! Yarros could just reach out to the book community, I'm sure there are plenty of ppl who would be happy to help out. No man is an island, &etc etc. Maybe if she'd had a better editor, they could have caught the mistakes BEFORE publishing, and spared us all the discomfort 😅

  • @wildkattrigger
    @wildkattrigger 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +213

    The rules about the general not being able to see anything in groups of three or more is just...so arbitrary. I'd have loved to have witnessed him discover this. Did he have groups of people help him? Two people: I SEE YOU. Three people: WHERE'D YOU GO?!

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

      Why did this just remind me of playing peekaboo with a baby?

    • @598019001
      @598019001 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @angelaahhh
      Maybe he does everything using a Map and Board pieces to signify Troop movements? Idk this is the dumbest weakness I have ever heard.

    • @fr4nkensk4nk
      @fr4nkensk4nk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @angelaahhh fr. it would make much more sense if it worked in the opposite way. like, the more people are involved the better he sees things. it would make it so the rebellion having a small number of people would have a solid reason AND be an excuse for the romantic leads to work together one on one

  • @user-dh3xj7il9d
    @user-dh3xj7il9d 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +293

    The second book appears to have more plot than the first but somehow feels less engaging. I think it largely has to do with the “drama” between Violet and Xaden in the second book. The misunderstandings between them, coupled with Violet’s emotional immaturity, are so contrived and ridiculous that it feels not only frustrating but insulting to me as a 20-something year old; were one of my girlfriends as immature about a situationship as Violet was, after an initial bout of sympathetic listening to her complaints, our other friends and I would sit her down and stage an intervention to let her know how unhealthy her relationship is for her. Also, that’s what Violet’s and Xaden’s relationship is: a situationship. They know each other as well as college f*ck buddies who’ve had inane pillow talk about “what’s your favorite food” to fill up the silence out of courtesy when one of them is too tired to go home. And because of the superficiality of their connection, it feels extra icky for Violet to lash out at Xaden and demand things from him that he really doesn’t owe her; why tf would he risk the lives of those he holds close and dear to him for a girl he barely knows enough to know whether or not she buys into government propaganda?
    Violet was certainly in need of character flaws that didn’t serve to make her look heroic, but her mind numbingly stupid inability to care about the feelings of a man who she supposedly loves devolves her from merely annoying to contemptible. If Rebecca Yarrows was trying to write realism or the passion of epic star-crossed lovers by widening the divide between between Xaden and Violet through trust issues, then she failed.

    • @teslashark
      @teslashark 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It suffers from Middle Trilogy Syndrome, really

    • @Moony1568
      @Moony1568 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@teslashark but it’s not going to be a trilogy. This is supposed to be a five book series

    • @teslashark
      @teslashark 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Moony1568 That's the pacing issue

    • @mialia-u7v
      @mialia-u7v 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Moony1568
      God help us

  • @S.M.Owens_
    @S.M.Owens_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +349

    You should look into how Yarros basically ripped off the Red Queen series by Victoria Aveyard and basically copied everything but just added dragons. Her book wasn't 'inspired' by Red Queen it was copy pasted with dragons and other minor things added in but all the major things and important stuff is exactly the same. Even the main character Violet, looks exactly like the main character in the red queen series, Mare Barrow, down the the brown hair with silver ends. She has the exact same powers as that main character and *spoiler alert* the main plot point of her thinking her brother is dead and then finding out that he is actually alive and joined the resistance...exactly the same. It also had a love triangle and there is more but I want list every single thing she ripped off and poorly for that matter. She copied all the major things from this series and then sprinkled in some Sarah J Maas but didn't actually come up with anything original unless you count the awful attempt at dragons. And there is proof that she was aware of this book before fourth wing and it wasn't a coincidence because Yarros posted a picture on her social media of her bookshelf and Red Queen is prominently displayed, so she clearly read it since it was displayed with the front cover facing forward rather than the spine of the book which most people only do when its a favourite book of theirs. No one is really talking about this either and it really annoys me that she is getting a huge amount of hype and praise for a book that she didn't even come up with herself, not to mention I hate how this book came about because it wasn't a passion project, it wasn't something she wanted to do, her publisher wanted a new adult fantasy with dragons and before looking for new authors with stories like that they offered the chance to the authors they already had and Yarros decided that after years of writing military romances she was qualified to write a fantasy series like its not that hard. Sorry for the rant but the entire circumstances around how this book came about and the actual content of the book and how her and the publishers don't give a shit about creating and selling a quality product they just want to take peoples money really annoys me, not just as a reader but as a writer myself.

    • @druidOcelot
      @druidOcelot 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      the awful attempt at dragons is just bad and awful remixing of dragonriders of pern! like it was done from half-remembered memories from her childhood!

    • @whatareyousayinggirl
      @whatareyousayinggirl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

      it's hilarious how Yarros says she doesn't read romantasy or fantasy but like... somehow managed to do everything you said? it's absolutely insane just how similar Fourth Wing is to Red Queen and ACOTAR and even From Blood and Ash. Someone needs to do a deep dive

    • @ninipaninni
      @ninipaninni 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      holy shit you're so right

    • @emmyrose233
      @emmyrose233 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      It's been like a decade since I read Red Queen but the second I heard about Brennan faking his death a leading the resistance, my first thought was "Shade?"

    • @theblob4741
      @theblob4741 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Frrr the ML is a king just like Cal. I had seen some similarities but hadn’t really thought of it any further.

  • @S.M.Owens_
    @S.M.Owens_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    it makes absolutely no sense that someone raised by a General would not understand the concept and necessity of classified information. It's okay for Violets mother, the other superior's and even Dane to keep classified information from her and other students, that makes sense to her -- but she can't understand why that also might be necessary for her brother and boyfriend to do?

  • @Steets
    @Steets 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +407

    A 2-hour video absolutely ripping this book to shreds?
    ...I'll clear my calendar. We MAKE time for trashy YA teardowns.

    • @gizemunver6188
      @gizemunver6188 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Fun fact this series is not classed as YA! I know it's great.... I think it's supposed to be new adult? But idk what that means it feels like a fake demographicto me

    • @pande1461
      @pande1461 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@gizemunver6188It is lol, it's a marketing thing. These books are basically teenage-level but with explicit sex scenes.

    • @gizemunver6188
      @gizemunver6188 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@pande1461 wait so new adult isn't a real thing? Why did reading books get so confusing😭

    • @pande1461
      @pande1461 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gizemunver6188Because these small classifications are made up for marketing purposes. I imagine it's so that adults in their 20s and beyond (who have more spending money than teenagers) don't feel bad about reading stuff aimed at teenagers, because this classification makes those books seem more "mature" (even if only in the amount of explicit content, but not themes or writing quality).
      I think that by doing this, publishing houses are also trying to appeal to people who may feel ashamed that they're reading "fiction for teenagers" when they're adults. By renaming it "Young Adult" instead of "Teen", it sounds a bit less "childish", for lack of a better word - even if the contents are the same. "Young Adult" is basically "Teen" with a different name.
      And I know that these books aren't technically "young adult", but if you toned down the sex scenes or took them out entirely, they'd be indistinguishable from YA in terms of writing quality and themes. "New Adult" is a thing, but it's basically what used to be known as "Adult" - not in terms of explicitness alone, but in writing quality and how themes are approached.

    • @teslashark
      @teslashark 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are more!

  • @strawbabyblaine5299
    @strawbabyblaine5299 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +197

    Zaiden Ryderson is the most Disney name I’ve ever heard

    • @26349
      @26349 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      It’s also “Xaden with an X” so yeah😂🤡

    • @captainshamsham
      @captainshamsham 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Right?! The worst name ever

    • @strawbabyblaine5299
      @strawbabyblaine5299 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@26349 that somehow makes it worse lol 😂

    • @annabeatrizzimmermann7708
      @annabeatrizzimmermann7708 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      also Ryderson...? really? in the context of him being a dragon rider? that's so silly

    • @theflyingspaget
      @theflyingspaget 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@annabeatrizzimmermann7708the funniest part is his dad isn't even a rider it's so dumb I love it

  • @becca9451
    @becca9451 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    potentially the most egregious thing, out of many egregious things, is her NEVER thinking about her dead-suddenly-not-dead brother. what was even the POINT of that

    • @xiexielian
      @xiexielian 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      When she discovered her brother is alive:
      - oh cool, let's me check how zaiden is so freaking hot today. 😂

  • @clarkispotamia
    @clarkispotamia 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +169

    its incredible how little happened in a 2 hour synopsis of 30 percent of a book thank you so much for your service

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      Literally nothing happened and I went into great detail explaining just how little happened didn’t I 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @amara560
      @amara560 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      This is why I DNF-ed this book at 50%. Nothing happens

  • @laraminroe7545
    @laraminroe7545 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +181

    Your channel is literally the greatest thing to happen to me. I tried finishing Fourth Wing last week and DNFed at chapter 7. It was AWFUL! I immediately knew I couldn’t read book #2 😭.
    Then I found your 3 part deep dive and had WAYYY more fun listening to you brilliantly critique every single issue I had with this book more than I did reading the actual thing. I’m SO PUMPED to settle down with some food and tea to watch this one. Thank you for taking one for the team Rachel.

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Thank YOU for being here!

    • @laraminroe7545
      @laraminroe7545 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@ReadswithRachelIt’s my absolute pleasure 🤣🙌🏽

  • @aleksishere
    @aleksishere 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +187

    I was gonna stop crocheting for tonight, but I guess I can do some more 🤷

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      ONE OF US ONE OF US

    • @Mushroomelixir
      @Mushroomelixir 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Omg fellow reads with rachel background noise user

    • @benjisaac
      @benjisaac 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I’m also listening to this joining all my granny squares for a blanket lol

    • @easilydistractedauthor
      @easilydistractedauthor 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Not me, crocheting right now. 😅

    • @fuentes_fantasy7906
      @fuentes_fantasy7906 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Mushroomelixir I listen while drawing. It's the best.

  • @vvitchofthewest
    @vvitchofthewest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    here from krimsonrogue dropping a mention about your dissection of the previous book in his critique, and what a godsend this channel is god bless keep doin this stuff its rocks

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      I had no idea krimsonrogue mentioned me whaaaaaat that was nice of him! Glad you found your way here! ❤️❤️

  • @Binkabink
    @Binkabink 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +171

    70% of this book is just Violet and Xaden having the same fight over and over again it really is exhausting and then when you think yay that’s over…. fake love triangle and then what was that? Oh right back to Violet and Xaden nonsense again… it’s also ridiculous that at no point during all the actual torture she went through did she think maybe she could ask her mother for help 🙄

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      I’m very confused about her mom atp and I have a feeling Rebecca wasn’t sure when to use her and when not to, and for what

  • @spaceorc1397
    @spaceorc1397 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

    Violet wants to be part of a secret society but sucks at keeping secrets. Cool. Cool cool cool cool cool. Makes sense.

    • @meiimacca4054
      @meiimacca4054 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Right?! I wish there had been some consequence or she cause something bad by not keeping her mouth shut, just for the sake of complexity.

  • @Perfectothemediocre
    @Perfectothemediocre 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    It's so strange to me that the climax of the last book was going AWOL to fight this unknown threat and then they just go back to school for so much of this book. It just seemed like a real "crossing the Rubicon/point of no return" and then they just... go back across the Rubicon. They return from the point of no return. I don't think it's impossible to pull that off, I'm not a strict adherent to "heroes journey" stuff, but it just makes me not interested in the events of the story because I don't trust that anything that happens will actually end up mattering.

    • @jinphany.
      @jinphany. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      and atp we've established nothing in this world does in deed end up not mattering 💀

    • @verbumclemens2105
      @verbumclemens2105 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tbf Caesar also had to go back across the Rubicon to fight Pompey ;) But your point is very well made, I was so confused when the great (and only)thing I remembered from video 1 was over just like that

    • @louc.6735
      @louc.6735 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It really felt like a marketing thing, especially when at the end of this book, they come up with ANOTHER contrived reason to go back to the school. She wants it to be Hogwarts so bad.

  • @jessicamarie6693
    @jessicamarie6693 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +207

    Kaz Brekker (Six of Crows) would have taken over the world by now. And he would have done it in style.

  • @alexramos4251
    @alexramos4251 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

    “Are the dragons in charge or the humans?” What I asked myself the whole time!! like, what do you mean the dragons wouldn’t just tell everyone to f*vk off and do what they want? Why would they allow humans to control how often they’d be able to see each other…

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Like couldn’t Tairn just leave and go de Sgaeyl whenever the fuck? What’s stopping him?

  • @thisisabookchannel
    @thisisabookchannel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +189

    thank you for the character photos, it is both helping me keep track and also sending me into orbit

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      In that case, my work here is done

  • @katerinaharness
    @katerinaharness 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

    Sometimes I wish authors would just unabashedly sell me their free-written manuscripts instead of trying to pretend it’s a well-thought out, edited story. Like, don’t piss on me and then try to tell me it’s raining.

    • @katerinaharness
      @katerinaharness 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Also, the nurses should have been called menders and the magical doctors should have been called healers. Mending comes off as “bandaging a wound” (i.e., patching a hole in fabric) whereas healers would heal the wound (reverse the tear entirely).

    • @mialia-u7v
      @mialia-u7v 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh my God that makes so much sense

  • @sciencefantastic
    @sciencefantastic 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +225

    This review is 15 minutes short of being as long as Dune Part 1.
    Perfect.

    • @TheSnakeh
      @TheSnakeh 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      lmao

  • @byrdiethebibliophile
    @byrdiethebibliophile 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    the pictures you use to depict the characters never fails to have me weakkkk.

  • @eskenobi9792
    @eskenobi9792 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    I feel like the dragons not actually being able to communicate clearly, like in httyd, would fix some of the plot holes about the dragons and what they know. Why didn't her dragon tell her about her brother? He couldn't. Why aren't the dragons on the same page about baby dragons? They are, the humans just don't know/don't care. Why is Violet's dragon not just eating all her enemies? He's not sure what's being said to her. 🐉

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I agree

    • @RTDice11
      @RTDice11 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      90% certain the dragons were feral beasts at first, then Yarros changed it late in development tbh

    • @Keram-io8hv
      @Keram-io8hv 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@RTDice11She rode Paolini and said to herself "Great idea"

  • @mrspreminger
    @mrspreminger 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    Hey at least we didn’t get “she ran like she was running for something”

  • @HeartseekerJinx
    @HeartseekerJinx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    I knew I wouldn’t like this book based on your review of the first one, but man as someone with EDS it’s so sad seeing this be touted as good rep. I should have known it was going to be bad as soon as she got silver hair tips out of the deal. I wish Yarros had done her research on disability advocacy before writing Violet (or the whole series, I guess). I know she also has EDS but man, you would not be able to tell based on how she writes it.

    • @whatareyousayinggirl
      @whatareyousayinggirl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      this 💯 and I hate that her fans defend her by saying "but she has EDS" as though it means she can't perpetuate ableist stereotypes and rhetoric. she literally wrote a disabled character pushing through and transcending her pain, ignoring her symptoms and getting through stuff with ✨️the power of will✨️and yet I'm meant to find this to be "good" and "inspiring" rep? it's literally my nightmare as someone with EDS, and I live it basically all the time because this ideology is so common IRL. And it's even worst in Iron Flame when Violet is basically written as the super-crip trope 😭

    • @HeartseekerJinx
      @HeartseekerJinx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@whatareyousayinggirl exactly! It’s so frustrating, especially as disability continues to be an underrepresented axis in fiction and everywhere. I mean seriously, did she talk to like one other person with EDS? Anyone with other disabilities or chronic illnesses? I don’t think so. Her portrayal of EDS is as nauseatingly trite and shallow as everything else she’s written. It’s such a shame this schlock is what ends up popular just to perpetuate the same harmful beliefs we’ve been fighting against for centuries.

  • @krenko-
    @krenko- 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Why would- no, how COULD- the transcriber transcribe Violet's monologue about "Omg Xaiden he's soooooooo hot but I'm gonna cut my thoughts off right there!"
    1- No one cares! This isn't history!
    2- You can't transcribe someone cutting their thoughts off! You can't do that! It's completely illogical!
    I'm going to scream!!!

    • @LorewithouttheE
      @LorewithouttheE 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      my guess? the author didn't think about that 'framing device' - for lack of a better term coming to mind at the moment - beyond "well tolkien (and likely other big fantasy authors) did this! see? my books are like theirs!" 😮‍💨

    • @krenko-
      @krenko- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@LorewithouttheE I feel like the author didn't think about a LOT of things XD

  • @ashcraft555
    @ashcraft555 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    The thing about these books that absolutely slays me is that Yarros has managed to write such a huge Mary Sue while also making her one of the most idiotic heroines I've read in a long time. Zero common sense or ability to think ahead, no reasoning skills, totally unable to connect the dots on anything.
    It makes me want to write fan fiction where she just dies the first day and we're all spared this nonsensical story.

    • @javierlopez9789
      @javierlopez9789 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yeah and Rhianon takes over 😊

    • @krow5099
      @krow5099 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ikr 😂

    • @balladofthegoddess
      @balladofthegoddess 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Rhiannon would be a better protagonist. Shes a genuinely nice person. Give her some flaws, like, I dunno, too headstrong or not headstrong enough, and she'd be a great protagonist! And no Xaden for the main love interest. Hate that guy, would work better as just a friend

    • @louc.6735
      @louc.6735 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@balladofthegoddessRhiannon as the main protagonist and Catriona as the love interest. Kind, no-nonsense farm girl falls in love with the hot-headed princess that her country wants her to kill. Xaden dies because Catriona kills him and we all clap because she should. It would be so good if she did.

  • @MarcelleLeiturasPreguicosas
    @MarcelleLeiturasPreguicosas 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    This book may not be good, but you pointing out why is not only entertaining, it's good because any reader that watches your video with an open mind will learn to read more critically. These kind of reviews can be extensive and consuming, but if anyone here is planning on writing a book this is basically a guide of what not to do.
    If I can ask something, could you please do a video about the editorial aspects of this series, such as how it was promoted from start, the many special editions, and the issues with the publishing of the second book (the printing errors, the lack of and editor, etc)?

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I’d be happy to! In the meantime, my pal Esska did a video on this subject if you’re interested
      th-cam.com/video/_Fxen1pS6JA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZTHhLmqgzxle4JXu

    • @MarcelleLeiturasPreguicosas
      @MarcelleLeiturasPreguicosas 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ReadswithRachel thank you, I will watch now!

  • @sophiemichel8045
    @sophiemichel8045 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    As someone currently unable to work due to depression and avoiding people due to ginormous anxiety, I hate the trope of “power through” especially when the person has a disability. Powering through let to this stupid depression/burnout and I know that it will take so much time for me to even reach similar energy levels as before.
    If someone in a similar situation reads this please slow down and get help if possible.
    Who thought 🐉🌽 would make me dig so deep on TH-cam.

  • @JennyTroutstanding
    @JennyTroutstanding 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    I have no skin in this game because I'm not going to read these books, but I just want to say that due to the opening with the missing brother, I now just assume this book is that creepy folger commercial with the brother and sister who are a little too close, but if they had dragons.

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      JENNY WHY WOULD YOU BRING THIS CURSE UPON ME

    • @JennyTroutstanding
      @JennyTroutstanding 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@ReadswithRachel Look me in the eye and tell me that wouldn't better than what you read. 😂

    • @kinglewis6553
      @kinglewis6553 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love the skit of that commercial where it was confirmed

  • @RoseRamblesYT
    @RoseRamblesYT 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +130

    I'm sure I'll have more to say later, but 30 minutes in and Violet just sounds like a selfish and immature character. As it came across, she was giving Xaden an ultimatum of "either choose me or the rebellion." Which, miss ma'am, the rebellion is more important.

  • @krixkhaos
    @krixkhaos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Re: the accusations of misogyny because of criticising a book a woman wrote... I feel like it's misogynistic to act like women are too fragile to have any kind of genuine criticism levelled against them. But that's just me 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @arkkon2740
      @arkkon2740 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I dont think its about that either which is crazy, cause from what I've personally seen? Its less about the author and more about the readers, because I dont remember the last time I've seen this type of accusation thrown around without someone personally offending the reader-base

  • @cassettetape7643
    @cassettetape7643 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    "What's stopping them!!!!!!?"
    Literally Yarros's imagination... or lack there of...

  • @jacobdavis3359
    @jacobdavis3359 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    I feel like the author was like take every trope rthat fantasy has blended it all together and the sneeze in the smoothie

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      Rebecca said "if i cant write divergent fanfic, i will write so much worse"

  • @jadedoni6447
    @jadedoni6447 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    The “Ma’am, that was several sentences long” at 9:00 was so visceral I felt it in my soul

  • @friendofdragons763
    @friendofdragons763 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    I laughed out loud when the dragon said "don't they teach you anything" because No. Yaros does not.

  • @kit922
    @kit922 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    I watched the last video but hearing the recap, i realized that i still have no idea wtf happened

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      A whole buncha NOTHING happened

  • @zondrayates
    @zondrayates 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    The fact that I laughed when you said "So just another red shirt"
    As a little kid I would periodically joined my grandfather when he would watch anything Star Trek

  • @Marie45610
    @Marie45610 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I had a good ol' blast laughing at Fourth Wing when I read it. Iron Flame, I couldn't bring myself to read past chapter 5. I don't even think I finished the fifth chapter. Thank god for libraries.

  • @pixelsbykris5494
    @pixelsbykris5494 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    ok. so. if Xaden and Violet get horny when their dragons do because of the mate bond thing, does that mean Xaden ALSO had sex with the guy who was bonded to Tyr before Violet or nah? Or, at the very least, did they also have to stay close to each other like Xaden and Violet have to? Somehow, I feel like Rebecca didn't actually think of that question when she made that decision and was only thinking about how to make Xaden and Violet have sex even though they were still """enemies""" at that point..... Unless they WEREN'T still considered enemies at that point and I forgot just because I don't care enough to remember, lol

    • @Jeyfeather-iv4ol
      @Jeyfeather-iv4ol 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Tairn's previous rider was Brennan’s "close friend" who died three years prior to Xaden’s initiation into Bàsgiath so Tairn hadn't chosen any other human before Violet’s arrival.

    • @pixelsbykris5494
      @pixelsbykris5494 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @Jeyfeather-iv4ol OH! Okay. Thank you. Honestly had no clue and didn't/wouldn't care to look it up, so I'll take your word for it. haha
      Edit: And for the correct spelling of Tairn's name because I really didn't wanna look that up, either.

    • @Jeyfeather-iv4ol
      @Jeyfeather-iv4ol 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@pixelsbykris5494 You're welcome!

  • @MeganTHEEcatlady
    @MeganTHEEcatlady 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    “DO NOT CITE THE DEEP MAGIC TO ME, *WITCH*”
    GIRL WHEN I TELL YOU I WAS HOLLERING SKSKSKSKSKKSKSSKSKS
    Also seeing Rachel become more and more unhinged in the editing and herself as she breaks down this nonsensical book-this is so much better than the “Love is Blind” reunion, I’m on the ground bloody duck-walking like Anetra HELP MEH 😂You and withcindy have the BEST "snark" voices with truly BAD, OTT dialogue. Y'all are great.
    Thank you for your service, *Officer Rachel*. RIP your therapy bills after this video though 😭

  • @mithridatic333
    @mithridatic333 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Violet’s dragon saying, “don’t they teach you anything??”😂 I love when authors unintentionally critique themselves in their work

    • @jazzy0959
      @jazzy0959 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Tairn was my favorite which is confusing because Yarros could write great characters but chose to make the FMC unlikeable , I was thinking after reading 4th wing that Jack Barlow may have a point 🤔

  • @kyokunskitty
    @kyokunskitty 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I think the thing I dislike about this romantasy genre with the books I've either read myself or watched long reviews for is that the focus on the romance takes the driver's seat in a setting where that type of centering actively harms the overall plot. The worldbuilding and actual story gets shoved into the background to the point that it ends up being underdeveloped or full of plot holes, and that's not something you can do with a fantasy (or a scifi) setting. It's hard to get invested in the characters we're even supposed to be focusing on when nothing they do within the setting makes sense because the worldbuilding is on the backburner. And with this series specifically it's SO obvious that the author just shoves in what little worldbuilding she does do solely to move the romance forward, thus nuking any previous worldbuilding almost every time she does it. Violet has no agency, the plot doesn't move because of her, it moves because the author is just shifting the chess pieces around to set up the next sex scene.

    • @S.M.Owens_
      @S.M.Owens_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      hey, I also have the same issue with the romantasy genre, but then I realised that's the point of the genre and they just aren't my kind of books. It's called Romantasy because the romance comes first. So now I make sure not to confuse Romantasy books with fantasy books that have a romantic subplot and have found way more success with that genre. I would recommend reading a few fantasy books with romantic subplots and see if you like them more. I'm way too much of a plot girlie to enjoy Romantasy where the relationship is the main plot point throughout and it's just a romance in a fantasy setting, where most of the time that setting isn't even built up enough to be distinctive it's just a general 'fantasy land'. I need there to be something outside of the relationship to be the main focus of the plot. I need it to be like 70% fantasy with a fantasy plot line and 30% romance but where the romance also feeds into and drives the plot forward. If you're similar to me then I would definitely recommend looking for fantasy books with a romantic subplot -- I think you would really enjoy them, or at the very least enjoy them a lot more than Romantasy.

    • @balladofthegoddess
      @balladofthegoddess 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The worst part romantasy is that every modern fantasy book is one, and it's not a real romance, it's just fucking. I'm ace, so I'm fine with a cute romance! I love a cute romance where both the characters become better people! But it's like romance authors think it's either a cute romance or just fucking. One or the other. And the fantasy takes a backseat, like you said. Drives me insane

  • @WindoLickinGood
    @WindoLickinGood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    *grabs tea and settles in*

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Welcome, please share the tea if its green tea

    • @WindoLickinGood
      @WindoLickinGood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Green tea can be arranged, I made black tea for myself, but I have a stash of different kinds.
      I did make some iced tea from green tea if that works

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I will take it!

    • @SheilaCid-gz2zq
      @SheilaCid-gz2zq 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Can I also sit in your corner? Also made a tea right before watching the video

    • @WindoLickinGood
      @WindoLickinGood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      *tries to figure out how to send home made iced tea through the interwebs*
      And there's always room to chill in my little corner!

  • @bernardodovalefarias7400
    @bernardodovalefarias7400 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +209

    As a brazilian portuguese native speaker, i think translating Iron Flame( Chama de Ferro) results in a prety cool name

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      I regret not translating it, it sounds way better

    • @grlwnder7343
      @grlwnder7343 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      continua um pouco redundante migo kkkkk quarta asa então kkkkkk mas só um tradutor bom pra salvar esse livro se um dia for publicado em pt br

    • @MarcelleLeiturasPreguicosas
      @MarcelleLeiturasPreguicosas 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@grlwnder7343um tradutor pra reescrever o plot, que nem aqueles que fazem "ah, não gostei desse parágrafo, não vou traduzir"

    • @bernardodovalefarias7400
      @bernardodovalefarias7400 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Já vi gente traduzir para ferro e fogo, o que é um pouco melhor na minha opinião@@grlwnder7343

    • @VIVIXXEN_ART
      @VIVIXXEN_ART 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@grlwnder7343então kkk, quarta asa é de fodwr

  • @mica7974
    @mica7974 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    2:01:35 So I don’t think anyone has ever pointed it out, but as I’m an engineer and kind of a metals nerd, so when I got to this part of the book I looked it up if Talladium was an actual thing, and it does exist! However, it looks to be the name of a company that makes Nickel-Chromium alloys for dental fillings. I’m not sure if this was intentional becuse caps = protection , or RY made it up or saw the name somewhere and it it sounded cool.

  • @mbs.writes
    @mbs.writes 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I don’t remember where exactly this was mentioned in the book, so maybe you haven’t seen these parts yet. Buuut there were a handful of parts where Violet is basically saying “oh my god” “where/what in gods name” or something along those lines - but she uses different names of gods that weren’t even mentioned or explained. I think one was dunne and I remember asking “who the fuck is dunne?!” Like we know who Malik is, that god is mentioned constantly. But they are other gods she randomly started mentioning in this book, but not in the first book (maybe once in the first book but that’s it) but then never explains who they are - was suuuper annoying. It took me out of the story every single time.

    • @jazzy0959
      @jazzy0959 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mbs.writes yes!!!!! I just finished 4th wing and I forced myself to because I did not like Violet! The god lore would’ve been great to add, we needed a lot more world building and a deeper dive into violet and make her LESS thirsty for X 🫣

  • @Stu161
    @Stu161 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    RIP Nadine, I didn't know you, I don't understand why you piped up, and I will not remember your name tomorrow 🙏🤷‍♂️🕊️

  • @justokayemilay6029
    @justokayemilay6029 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +258

    An over 2 hour long vodeo?! Is it my birthday?! Yay!!!

  • @Kasterwill
    @Kasterwill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    This is peak Sunday entertainment and I'll die on this hill

  • @shrekuschrist3892
    @shrekuschrist3892 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Hey Rachel! I've found your channel recently and you got me to pick up "The Will to Change", by Bell Hooks! Haven't read for myself in ages as the only thing I read are assigned scientific articles sand textbook chapters ( by read i mean skim through asksjhfkasjhdfkl). And now I've been picking up more books to read and learn from because of you!

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      This made my entire day! I'm so happy to hear this!!

    • @shrekuschrist3892
      @shrekuschrist3892 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ReadswithRachel You have been an inspiration to read more! I used to be a big reader as a kid and my teachers encouraged me to continue that. I rmbr my 5th grade teacher giving me a copy of "fatty red socks" to keep after I asked about residential schools and wanted to learn more. And I went home to read it and it gave me the fire to learn more and educate myself. And now I'm in uni and you've made me want to start a reading club!! I joked to my friends if the school will allow me to start a marxism club but im not sure its a joke anymore hahaha. Thank you so much for the work you do, your yt videos introduced me to reading again!

  • @Primalstrawberry
    @Primalstrawberry 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Putting the character visualizers in there is EXTREMELY helpful, hard to tell what the fuck is going on at any time and those help a lot

    • @kinglewis6553
      @kinglewis6553 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If the author had less unnecessary side characters it would be easier

  • @BandFairy
    @BandFairy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    Yeah, no. The orange cat/orange dragon thing also doesn't grok for me, and I have an orange cat who holds the brain cell.

    • @whitegold2960
      @whitegold2960 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hear OSP scream in the background:
      HEINLEEEEIIN

  • @rainbowwigglecactus6605
    @rainbowwigglecactus6605 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Irish is part of the Celtic language family, but is typically referred to as Irish, or Gaeilge, the (I hope correctly spelled) word for the language in Irish. I think people make the distinction of Scottish Gaelic because Scots, a Germanic language, is also native to Scotland. Scottish Gaelic was spoken in the highlands and islands, while Scots was spoken in the lowlands. Interesting fun fact: Irish has accents on vowels that go right (á), whereas Scottish Gaelic has accents going left (à). To someone who doesn't speak either, this is a way you can tell them apart in writing.

  • @dizzyella8204
    @dizzyella8204 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    This was EXHAUSTING, I cannot believe we're only 35% through...
    (Also people crying "internalized misogyny" towards those criticizing this book...idk who needs to tell you this but anyone of ANY gender is capable of shoddy writing. Sometimes a bad book is just a bad book!)

  • @varying-quality-creations
    @varying-quality-creations 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I'm just lost on the general and his ability to see the outcome of any battle. Does that mean no one in the revolution has ever fought or argued with each other? At what point does an argument become a battle? Is it when they start screaming at each other or is it when the fists and/or weapons come out? I am so confused

    • @Staci1611
      @Staci1611 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or a heated Convo ??

  • @daveatron_
    @daveatron_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Please never stop with the Emperor's New Groove references it's truly the funniest thing 😅😅

  • @kandibug5303
    @kandibug5303 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    All in one go baby! 🐲🐉
    On one hand the people who were fans of 4th Wing deserve better, but on the other hand I'm not surprised (and a little vindicated) in how right the predictions saw the writing on the wall for the fast fashion like production process of Red Tower (and the author's seemingly lack of thought and care of the fantasy genre from what I could glean from interviews) would churn out the worst version of an already subbar romance with barely any fantasy book.

  • @bayonoota4132
    @bayonoota4132 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    this series was supposed to be 3 books but yarros had to extend it to 5... i understand now... she cant pace...

  • @camillekartchner
    @camillekartchner 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I did not have the mental fortitude to even read Iron Flame after the hot mess of Fourth Wing.

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I cannot blame you at all

  • @kandibug5303
    @kandibug5303 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    You are a genius to use Yugioh cards to represent the dragons. Makes every so much better.

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Thank you 😂

    • @roamoray
      @roamoray 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      when i saw red eyes i felt more excitement than i felt reading any of fourth wing

  • @DustyMusician
    @DustyMusician 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    This book is longer than Crime and Punishment btw.

    • @rinmatsuoka4452
      @rinmatsuoka4452 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      hahah wowwww

    • @amara560
      @amara560 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      The book was a crime and a punishment to read 😂

    • @DustyMusician
      @DustyMusician 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@amara560 lmaoooo nice one

  • @claudszr
    @claudszr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This book constantly tells us how smart Violet is but never shows it…

  • @user-kt3zv1cm5j
    @user-kt3zv1cm5j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The kaleidoscope thing must come from hearing 'kaleidoscope of colours' more than ever hearing the context of what a kaledoscope is, as an actual object, so people just assume it means 'a collection of many variations on a thing/theme' - which means that there are people who don't obcessively google even basic words they've used all their lives just to make sure they're using it right - which is boggling to me 😂 i WISH i had that kind of confidence

  • @Dragoon601
    @Dragoon601 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    This book needed to be divided into 2 books. There was too much happening and at the same time nothing happening and it felt like it dragged on.

    • @ReadswithRachel
      @ReadswithRachel  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      would've been a short story if we hadn't done the same three arguments OVER AND OVER AND OVER

    • @Dragoon601
      @Dragoon601 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @ReadswithRachel yes! It felt like 1/3 of the book was just about if violet and xaden should trust each other and be together or not. This book dragged and it shows since it was written in just 6 months or less.

  • @Mwriggles
    @Mwriggles 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I love how we’re constantly told how intelligent and different Violet is when she’s shown to have all the intelligence of a doorknob

  • @ms.moronic9165
    @ms.moronic9165 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Empyrean: "Face it. You're. Never. Gonna. Get. My. Power."
    Wings of Fire, holding an uncancelled Netflix deal: "Do I look like I need *your* power?"

    • @jaydenklaus
      @jaydenklaus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ms.moronic9165 Absolutely. Wings of Fire is leagues above this series in terms of writing and it's supposed to be a children's series. How are books meant for an adult audience more childish than children's books?

  • @hannahhannah7002
    @hannahhannah7002 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    For someone who just had her older brother come back from the dead, she really doesn't give a fuck aboht keeping him alive

  • @etiennesportfolio
    @etiennesportfolio 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    The fact that this series had SO much potential in theory and turned into this is sad

    • @haggisa
      @haggisa 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      It’s the wasted potential that hurts the most. 😞

    • @etiennesportfolio
      @etiennesportfolio 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@haggisa exactly, if I were creative and smart enough to do fantasy world building I would right my own version 😂

  • @Ravenwinds
    @Ravenwinds 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    One could pick out nearly every aspect of this series and figure out without much issue what book/movie/show Yarros yoinked it from and that is truly something. It’s not the first series that’s done this patchwork style of writing but it’s definitely one of the ones that does it so obviously.

  • @kaydwessie296
    @kaydwessie296 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I swear this series is "IDK because it sounds cool, teehee" the novels

  • @KatMothra
    @KatMothra 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I’m honestly appalled that something like this was professionally published. It reads like a twelve year old just learned about the classic narrative structure.

    • @Staci1611
      @Staci1611 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I remember people talking about the Romantasy aspect and I feel like it’s not the Romantasy or the genre, it’s why I try not to read YA.
      Not because the writing or scenarios are too immature or child like it’s not how it’s written it’s the characters and their actions and reactions as teenagers they all think the world revolves around them and that a hot boy is the most important thing .. to a teenager .. but I just don’t care about the teen-ness of the characters were more mature or were not basically all (ftw or awesome, cool, whatever) like if the characters were older but then remembering that these characters are supposed to be 19-21 and I’m like no way these read like 14 year olds.
      Idk this book series had issues (this one feels less like a rip off tho) but now do adult people read this or even (people 19-29) and go yep this is good give me more of this, really tho HOW ..??

  • @dweebicusmaximus
    @dweebicusmaximus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This book is so frustrating because literally every interpersonal problem seems easily solvable by her giant fucking dragon eating them but he only occasionally threatens someone and it's never someone who's like. AN ACTUAL THREAT

  • @lucyb.2865
    @lucyb.2865 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I felt it in my bones when you said this book is exhausting. I was fighting for my life through the whole 2nd half. Such a slog. I didn't love FW but in my review, I said I can only recommend it to someone looking for fun trash. In my IF review, I said I can't even recommend it as that.
    You're doing the (figurative) lord's work making these videos for us. 😂 I can't imagine reading this book again, but I absolutely love hearing you rip it to shreds.

  • @heyimsasa
    @heyimsasa 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    alternative title: rachel remembers what the author wrote more than the author does 🤣🤣

  • @TheCrazyChickUpstair
    @TheCrazyChickUpstair 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    How...How did this series get so much love and praise?? Violet is the most selfish, whiny character and very unlikeable!

    • @kinglewis6553
      @kinglewis6553 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same reason "romance" novels are, people get horny

  • @RosseRue
    @RosseRue 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you for the bit at the start about Scottish Gaelic. I speak the language and the way it was treated in these books really bothered me, and many other readers in our community. The conflation of Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic is so common, especially among Americans (I believe mainly because of things like Outlander, not any sort of deliberate ignorance) so hearing you say "Gaelic" correctly was lovely :) this video is going to be great!

  • @violetkerridge4154
    @violetkerridge4154 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    As someone called violet, I speak on behalf of all violets when I say that we don’t claim her.

  • @asteridshydrangea-jt2hf
    @asteridshydrangea-jt2hf 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    ETA: oh Kronk, what would we do without you
    ……legit the whole alloy macguffin feels like it was copypasted from how mobile gacha games have weapon ascension work. And those games design it that way so you have a thousand things and confusing systems to grind to incentivize paying or at least daily login to be advertised at

    • @berrymage.
      @berrymage. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      in book 3 she finds out she needs to feed other black dragon units to Andarna to evolve her to her final growth stage. after an epic battle, they kill Melgren's dragon and use him for this purpose. but their celebrations are cut short when they realize...it wasn't enough. a single tear falls down Violet's face. "I'm sorry, Tairn...but Andarna is S-tier."

  • @jacobdavis3359
    @jacobdavis3359 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Oh boy my favorite thing. I love these reviews and dragging the series so much it’s practically asphalt at this point