12:52 Remember, it is a joke. Don't surrender to your rage, don't charge even if you are a part of the light brigade. Consider liking and sharing this video. This battle is a great representation of this era, a spectacular battle that influenced the military thought of the next centuries.
12:58 Turenne: Hey guys lets out maneuver and flank them by cutting off their supplies and force them out of a strong advantageous position. Conde: Direct Assault! Got to feel bad for Turenne to be stuck with ... ''that guy'' ... that only knows one tactic...
From my point of view, Turenne was "that guy". I mean, the french through out history have only known to attack, charge, look at my horse, my horse if amazing...and for Turenne to come with a sound strategy to the table? Baguette.
Yeah it's funny to see all the keyboard warriors lecturing a 17th century general (generally seen as one of the best commander of the time) about military strategy, and call him "that guy" as if he was a complete lunatic who knew nothing... The end results though was that Conde's strategy work and shattered the will to fight of the Imperials. It's easy to say almost 400 years later, watching an abstract animation on a phone or computer screen, that a cautious siege strategy would have worked better, when the Imperials actually prepared themselves for a long siege.
@@PierrotHG to be fair,it is a sound logical and thoughtfull strategy.cutting the supply line and taking an enemy away from a strong position is an ancient proven strategy and more sound choice than a direct assault
@@PierrotHG I agree with Alex on this point. You may say that Conde was right because he was successful in the end but we can only imagine what would have happened if Turenne's strategy was adopted and had been successful as well. It is quite likely that the dirt would have had a lot less french bloodshed soaked up in it and the enemy more easily defeated and dispatched. And ofcourse we're all keyboard warriors here. :D after all I'm only giving my poin of view after 400 years ...
faeembrugh I’m aware...I suppose it’s also a parable about the danger of blind obedience and miscommunication. Still...one must wonder why the brigade commander thought that charge was a good idea.
David Blair Cardigan, I believe his name was, had a rather romantic view of the Light cavalry. He still believed charges won battles even though Waterloo proved this completely wrong, he was noble born and had bought his rank, as it was back then, and constantly clashed with Raglan and his fellow officers. Lord Raglan’s orders, the commander of the Allied army, were meant for the light brigade to move to allied guns to protect them from Russian attack. He purposefully misinterpreted the orders to charge at Russian artillery. The Cardwell Reforms completely removed the purchase of commission from the British Army and the Charge of the Light Brigade was the beginning of the clamour for reform to a more meritocratic style of officer selection.
In fact, Turenne defeated Conde several times in a latter French civil war, and many consider him superior to Conde for that. Imagine the moment directly beating someone constantly ignoring your advices.
Well there is a reason Turenne is generally considered the greatest general of Louis XIV lol. Condé is regarded as the second best. After them we got Luxembourg, Vauban and Villars for 3rd, 4th and 5th I believe?!
You highlighted really well the difference in military doctrine of Condé and Turenne. Condé was above all a tactician. His focus was to agressivly dislodge the ennemy from his bases, then rough him up enough so that he disbands. It worked wonders at Rocroi, Lens and Valenciennes, but it was a risky move who could backfire badly if the opponent was solidly entranched in, and it often led to high casualties. Still, when it worked, it destroyed the ennemy's army completely. Turenne always had the whole campaign in mind. His goal was not to crush the ennemy, but to force him to give up crucial places in order to ensure long term victories. Even when taking bad defeats, he just regrouped and kept acting according to plan. His wars were unglorious, slow series of complex manoeuvers, but his ability of mixing strategy and tactic made him a very successful general, wich is why Napoleon respected him so much. His masterworks are the conclusion of the Franco-Spanish war at Arras and the Dunes, and his winter campaign of 1674. Both were amazing generals, but with very different styles.
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war and then seek to win." Therefore Turenne is the Caesar to the Alexander of Condé. Seeking to gain as much advantage as you can before submitting to battle instead of going to battle to seek cracks to exploit.
Reminds me of Richard E. Lee and William Sherman. Richard E. Lee was good at fighting battles and was very aggressive whereas Sherman was better at considering the greater war and capagin.
@@curlyfries2956 I think Grant is a better example, but Sherman is also applicable (this is visible in the Atlanta campaign). Both would have looked at the fortifications and said nope I'll just try to cut off your supply lines.
Problem is a general *NEEDS* to have the bigger picture in mind. If he's unable to do so he should never have risen to that rank. And that is what makes Conde, in my opinion, a bad general pure and simple.
Basically, Mercy's style (turn a field battle into a siege) "hard-countered" Conde's style (frontal attack and rapidly exploitation). Goes to show why it's important to pick the right man for the right job.
@@Cancoillotteman Caesar's weakness was that most of his lieutenants were useless. One of a leader's role is to groom good subordinates and apparently he was useless at it.
If you are interested why at the begining Freiberg in Saxony was of that much importance: It was essiential for Saxony´s economy because of its silver mines, probably some of the richest north of the Alps.
@@bitterballs356 inheritance laws ... It's really ridiculous when you think about it that a person can inherit a country to begin with ... let alone a foreign land ... Medieval politics ... I tell ya ...
@@bitterballs356 Uhhh bruh ... yes there is ... the chinese empire was usually inherited by one of the children of the emperor and the same goes for many of the indian princes and their children. So I don't know what history class you went too but land inheritance has basically been the go to method for becoming the ruler of a nation ... for a looong time. Taking it by force is only something that happens during a big social upheavel. So what is more likely is that you ''only'' read about conquests because these cause the most disruption in the social fabric of society. Nobody really cares when Prince #7 inherits the throne because most of the time he'll continue to use the same administrators and state officials that his father used. Therefore there is usually a smooth transition of power compared to the big event that is caused in history when a nation is conquered. I mean nobody really cares about the 20 kings who ruled China inbetween each dynasty. They only remember the one who got defeated and conquered by the mongols for example. Nobody cares what king #10 did when the land was prosperous and peaceful.
@@bitterballs356 It's actually quite rare to happen in europe as well. Most often inheritance went to the direct male descendants and not to the women to be given as a dowry. Dowry was the rare exception and not the norm at all. Many nobles also objected to the idea of having a foreign king or woman rule them so it was quite rare to actually occur even in Europe. It's more of a when the stars align kind of thing. Another thing that the east has that is not so common in europe is that most powerful kings in the east had lots of wives so there were plenty of male descendants to choose from when in europe this wasn't considered legitimate in most cases (again exceptions everywhere lol). China for example had plenty of concubines and in the muslim world the powerful pretty much binged on women too so there was never a shortage of direct descendants. I'm not sure on indian politics but im pretty sure they had similar systems and had quite a bit of inheritance and kingdom forging through marriages. Sending your daughter for marriage with another kingdom plays a big part in a lot of indian epics and stories. Considering your name is chinese I reckon you must have had a lot of chinese history which focuses a lot of imperial side of things and from that perspective I can understand that these things might look strange at first. China had a lot of tribes and khanates around it where power was usually inherited through violence and who ever had the oppertunity to grab power for themselves. That in contrast to chinese straight inheritance through the imperial system makes for 2 opposing worlds of chaos and imperial order. The rest of the world was a lot more inbetween things. But I definitely get where your going with. Land inheritance played no role for example in Imperial Rome or any of the republican nations that came after the medieval era and I can see how that might be a foreign concept to anyone. In fact I'm still baffled by the fact that people just accepted such ridiculous sytems to begin with. But hey that's hindsight of a 21st century keyboard warrior.
Imagen being born on the first day of the 30 years war, and then being the last person to be killed when it ended. Knowing nothing, but a life time of war.
The "burg" one is the same word which eventually developed into "borough" or "burgh" in English. Comes from proto Germanic *berg-an, "to shut in". Thus it came to mean a castle in some places, or a fortified town in others (probably because of Motte and Bailey style configurations, where one burh was both a fortified hamlet and also a pre-castle keep. In some languages I suppose it came to refer more to the keep and then passed over to castles, and in other languages it came to refer more the the town and then the area of influence of the town). Meanwhile the "berg" one comes from *bergaz, the same word that eventually gave us "iceberg" in English (through Dutch apparently). "Berg" means mountain or a hill, so an iceberg is an "ice hill". I guess technically you could have a "bergburg", which would be a "hill fort", though I'm not aware of anywhere with such a rubbish name. The confusion only really appears in how we pronounce these words today. "Berg" and "burg" end up just being said "burrg" in modern English, but they'd have sounded a lot different back then.
@@wulfherecyning1282 actually in the area I live (Allgäu, southern Germany) there is a village called "Burgberg", which would be a "rubbish name" in your point of view I think lmao
@@maxx1014 I'm shocked that such a place exists! :P but thank you for confirming that they can be used together. I only say it is a rubbish name because it is so unimaginative. I feel the same about a hill here in England that I saw once, called "Mow Cop". It comes from either Anglo-Saxon "mugahyll" (heap-hill) plus "copp" (head), or a mix of Brythonic "moel" (hill) plus "copp" from Anglo-Saxon. I think it is the first, because it is shaped like a heap pile. There was no imagination in the name, it wasn't named for a famous siege or someone who owned it or after a god, just "heap-hill head", or "hill that is tallest in the area that is heaped". Boring. Same goes for calling a place "hill fort". Couldn't they have named it after someone or something? After whoever built is, or after a local legend? Etymology is fun, but it also dispels a lot of the magic in ancient place names when you realise your ancestors were unimaginative as heck haha
12:58 Turenne: “hmm the enemy seems to have the defensive advantage, maybe we should move to cut their supply-“ Conde: “GLORIOUS CHARGE” 220 years later: Gen. Longstreet: “hmm the enemy seems to have the defensive advantage, maybe we should move to cut their supply-“ Gen. Bobby Lee: “GLORIOUS CHARGE” Turenne: “....”
The difference is: the first two days were a significant victories for Lee, and he was eager to exploit that. Also Maede was new. And the most important - despite the numerical disadvantage it was possibly the last chance for a meaningful victory for South. Any delays would only make Maede stronger, and avoiding the battle was basically admitting defeat in the war.
@@KidoKoin But Lee was blind. His calvary hadn't been doing it's reconnaissance job. And by the summer of 1863 it was obvious to all that slamming into prepared defensive positions was suicide. He didnt get anywhere on the flanks, what made him think the center was the key? No his best opinion at that point by the third day was to withdraw. Lee always had the smaller army with fewer resources. He should choose the time and place to fight, not his enemy.
Pavel K. Based on the video, it seems that Conde won some substantial victories in the first day as well. He forced the Imperials from a strong defensive position and seized their camp. The problem was the cost. Despite these victories, the Imperial army remained intact, remained able to fight, and had suffered far fewer casualties than the French army; thus, despite Conde’s tactical victories on the first day, the strategic balance shifted towards the Imperials. As I understand it, much the same played out at Gettysburg. In fact, the Confederates arguably did worse at Gettysburg. Conde at least managed to push the Imperials from their initial position; despite destroying the Union corps under Sickles and inflicting heavy losses on the second day, Bobby Lee failed to do that.
robert moore precisely. Longstreet (claims to have) recommended a flanking maneuver to place the Confederate army between Meade and Washington. That would have forced Meade to attack the Confederates at a time and place of Lee’s choosing, which (as demonstrated many times before) would likely have led to a Confederate victory.
Lee at Gettyburg , Lee should know that the attack end in an desaster he did it the same way with Burnside at Fredericksburg/Maryes heights, but to be fair it was not Burnsides failure at all because he waited over a week for the Pontoons to cross the River meanwhile Lee had his Army in a strong defensive position at the heights above Fredericksburg
@@mynamejeb8743 except Conde is generally considered one of the best generals during this war. Perhaps you forget that it was his aggression that won Rocroi. Cavalry generals are generally temperamental and overly aggressive. It's what makes them excellent at exploitation. But this wasn't a field battle -- it had all the traits of a siege.
@@mynamejeb8743 Yes, modern military academies study him because he was incompetent. That must be it. Alternatively, you are a moron who clearly did not bother to do as much as a simple Google search on the man before writing your crap. Also, Condé's bad decisions in this particular battle aside, his own personal bravery was as high as ever (and probably the sole reason his troops did not rout, seeing their general braving the bullets and cannon shot together with them was a powerful inspiration back in those days).
Turenne: look, sieges are complicated and take time, we should focus on weakening the enemy’s position and gaining what advantages we- Conde: GET ‘EEEEEEM!
I love this channel so much. I can not describe how amazing it is to be sitting here in my chair with some food and watching this highly professional and qualitative channel's content. Kings and Generals is one of the best things TH-cam has to offer.
And there I sit by the banks of the Dreisam sipping beer in the warm summer sun, unaware that I was right next to such an important battlefield of the 30 years war. I did not know this about my hometown at all! Thank you for educating me, now I'll definetly look up if there are memorials or remnants from the battlefield in our museums :D
My favorite channel makes a video about a battle on the city I live in, could I be luckier? it is really crazy to imagine that the streets I walk everyday where once a battlefield. By the way, most of the places mentioned in the video still exist and are now neighbourhoods of Freiburg, such as Merzhausen or Haslach. Lorettoberg and Schönberg are great for hiking but I can't imagine what it must have been to attack an enemy defending the top of those hills.
Imperials civilians * Dutch, Belgian, and now Frenchmen from the then imperial Franche Comté also suffered terribly. As an anecdote about that if you watch the Tour de France next year the final chrono stage takes place on a climb called "La Planche des Belles Filles" (translates to "Cliff of the Beautiful Girls") which names comes from 200 women who jumped to their death from the cliff to avoid getting caught by an advancing army during that war
Conde was a most inspirational leader (see Villar's comment at Seneffe). Turenne was probably (with Saxe, Davout or Tourville) the greatest of French Marshals. Mercy is possibly the most brilliant, yet strangely forgotten, Bavarian commander in history.
@@barbiquearea Because they fought more battles ? They won more than anybody too. The thing is, when you're right in the middle of several major powers, you tend to successively fight them all during all of their heydays. Strategically, France's position was rather bad, unless they were in a period of absolute domination over their neighbours.
I have one suggestion for all videos: can you please place a distance measurement reference on the screen to get a sense of the scale of travel & battle distances. (I end up going on Google maps all the time to understand) Also, Battle Verdun WWI would be epic!
conde's strategy of advance is somewhat similar to blitzkreig but then they had tanks and were usually fighting on flat terrain. This is extremely effective if used right. This battle just shows the importance of changing strategies based on your situation. No one size fits all.
@Kings and Generals Not gonna lie, although I love reading military history, this era's battles just feel all over the place. So disjointed over vast distances with so much of detail without radio communications or the dispatch and Fredrick's staff system that makes 18th century and Napoleonic era battles so easy to understand. That strange place between pike and shot and line infantry eras, everything in transition. Thank you so much for giving us this easy to understand way. With the scarcity of free detailed texts on an already complex topic, I don't think I would have ever gotten so much of information in such an easily understandable way. Thanks guys!
Foreign funding for both sides, and different actors carrying the brunt of the war effort at different times. Otherwise there is no way they could have kept warring for so long.
"You know we are not english, right? They are not going to make a movie about us if we bum rush and get killed". God, I just love the sense of humor of K&G.
Brilliant and clear description of this rather confusing but decisive battle of the Thirty Years' war. Once more, this video is of great help for clarifying the course of events of this very complex and multi-dimensional conflict. Looking forward to discovering the next episode !
French: I charge the enemy with bravery and resolve. Why am I losing the battle? Japanese Samurai, after losing a battle against peasants with guns: first time?
You guys rock... it’s been amazing seeing how history videos have evolved on TH-cam. From guys just recording themselves at their desks reading notes too videos like these that make anything the history tv channel ever did look amateur. I’ve had my TH-cam account since the first days of TH-cam.
Conde seems to have studied under the esteemed strategist Zapp Brannigan and mastered his genius tactic of sending wave after wave of men to deplete the enemy's kill count.
Less than ten years later, Condé and Turenne would be fighting against each other during the Fronde (the civil war that happened in France during the youth of Louis XIV).
When they faced death they're all alike No right or wrong! Rich or poor! No matter who they served before! Good or bad, They're all the same. Rest side by side now...
21:42 Conde's expectation: im good at frontal assault, Turenne good at flanking, so let's do that and it should be easy. Conde's reality: How am I stuck at the flank and Turenne doing the front wtf....
I like how after the 4 th wave failed Conde decided to organize the scattered soldiers into a fifth attack wave just to be sure if it will work or not.
Will you guys cover the reign of Louis the 14th? It barely has any coverage on TH-cam and well who wouldve guessed its actually incredebly interesting and important Especially it is the period where huge european war became a tradition to do every couple of years
I really enjoy your videos but, it’s hard to keep track of who you are talking about. It might be useful to highlight on the map the figures as you mention them by name? Just a thought, and thanks for the content.
This war seems to have had a lot of Hannibal like figures like Gustavus Adolphus and Turenne who could win incredible victories but didn’t know how to use them.
As I still enjoy and learn from K&Gs videos, I've noted that one thing ruined battles of many strong generals throughout the course of history: overconfidence.
"Hmmm! The last two frontal assaults resulted in massive, grievous casualties...I know! Let's do it a third time! That should work!" *later* "Why didn't that work?"
4:44 largely protestant Hungarian Transylvania We did have a major impact earlier, in 1619 in the 30 years war with Bethlen Gábor (who ruled over the golden age of Transylvania 1619-1629) and is represented for this on the wall of reformers in Geneva. In 1643 Rákóczi tried to get involved but the Ottomans opposed these plans and he had to contend with a peace treaty with the Habsburgs.
12:52 Remember, it is a joke. Don't surrender to your rage, don't charge even if you are a part of the light brigade.
Consider liking and sharing this video. This battle is a great representation of this era, a spectacular battle that influenced the military thought of the next centuries.
Video about the crimean goths!!!
one of your best series i like it
Its like another Agincourt.
Tbh i dont even know a joke or some insult..
sorry about that..
Napoleonic wars please
Turenne: "We need a plan of attack!"
Conde: "I have a plan. Attack."
😂😂😂
this is so french.
Turenne: “We need a plan of attack!”
Conde: “Son , just don’t”
You stole that from stark
Jibis Lakis both lines are in the Avengers but they aren’t used in the same dialogue
a time period that needs more coverage on TH-cam indeed.
Holy.. He's here..
Yep the wars in Germany back then made the Hundred Years War look like child's play.
It would be good to see more coverage of it in high schools, too.
and also game industry
1644 is also the end of Ming dynasty
12:58
Turenne: Hey guys lets out maneuver and flank them by cutting off their supplies and force them out of a strong advantageous position.
Conde: Direct Assault!
Got to feel bad for Turenne to be stuck with ... ''that guy'' ... that only knows one tactic...
From my point of view, Turenne was "that guy". I mean, the french through out history have only known to attack, charge, look at my horse, my horse if amazing...and for Turenne to come with a sound strategy to the table? Baguette.
I mean, Turenne had been losing up to that point and had yet to make any progress. It's easy to see why Conde may not have agreed.
Yeah it's funny to see all the keyboard warriors lecturing a 17th century general (generally seen as one of the best commander of the time) about military strategy, and call him "that guy" as if he was a complete lunatic who knew nothing... The end results though was that Conde's strategy work and shattered the will to fight of the Imperials. It's easy to say almost 400 years later, watching an abstract animation on a phone or computer screen, that a cautious siege strategy would have worked better, when the Imperials actually prepared themselves for a long siege.
@@PierrotHG to be fair,it is a sound logical and thoughtfull strategy.cutting the supply line and taking an enemy away from a strong position is an ancient proven strategy and more sound choice than a direct assault
@@PierrotHG I agree with Alex on this point. You may say that Conde was right because he was successful in the end but we can only imagine what would have happened if Turenne's strategy was adopted and had been successful as well. It is quite likely that the dirt would have had a lot less french bloodshed soaked up in it and the enemy more easily defeated and dispatched.
And ofcourse we're all keyboard warriors here. :D after all I'm only giving my poin of view after 400 years ...
"We're not English, they won't make a movie about us if we bum rush and get killed." Gold.
I don't get it
Ah, the Light Brigade. Possibly the single most gallant and single most idiotic maneuver in all of military history.
@@davidsutherlandblair8515 Not intended as such, simply a confusion over orders.
faeembrugh I’m aware...I suppose it’s also a parable about the danger of blind obedience and miscommunication. Still...one must wonder why the brigade commander thought that charge was a good idea.
David Blair Cardigan, I believe his name was, had a rather romantic view of the Light cavalry. He still believed charges won battles even though Waterloo proved this completely wrong, he was noble born and had bought his rank, as it was back then, and constantly clashed with Raglan and his fellow officers. Lord Raglan’s orders, the commander of the Allied army, were meant for the light brigade to move to allied guns to protect them from Russian attack. He purposefully misinterpreted the orders to charge at Russian artillery.
The Cardwell Reforms completely removed the purchase of commission from the British Army and the Charge of the Light Brigade was the beginning of the clamour for reform to a more meritocratic style of officer selection.
In fact, Turenne defeated Conde several times in a latter French civil war, and many consider him superior to Conde for that. Imagine the moment directly beating someone constantly ignoring your advices.
I bet Turenne flipped sides during the Fronde explicitly to be the on other side from Conde :))
Well there is a reason Turenne is generally considered the greatest general of Louis XIV lol. Condé is regarded as the second best. After them we got Luxembourg, Vauban and Villars for 3rd, 4th and 5th I believe?!
@@Itachi951000 I believe the list is right except that Villars should be higher
@@xusteve4820 Villars should be HIGHEST. Evenly matched up against British God of War and Austrian military genius, that's enough proof.
@@Itachi951000 Villars should be highest.
You highlighted really well the difference in military doctrine of Condé and Turenne.
Condé was above all a tactician. His focus was to agressivly dislodge the ennemy from his bases, then rough him up enough so that he disbands. It worked wonders at Rocroi, Lens and Valenciennes, but it was a risky move who could backfire badly if the opponent was solidly entranched in, and it often led to high casualties. Still, when it worked, it destroyed the ennemy's army completely.
Turenne always had the whole campaign in mind. His goal was not to crush the ennemy, but to force him to give up crucial places in order to ensure long term victories. Even when taking bad defeats, he just regrouped and kept acting according to plan. His wars were unglorious, slow series of complex manoeuvers, but his ability of mixing strategy and tactic made him a very successful general, wich is why Napoleon respected him so much. His masterworks are the conclusion of the Franco-Spanish war at Arras and the Dunes, and his winter campaign of 1674.
Both were amazing generals, but with very different styles.
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war and then seek to win."
Therefore Turenne is the Caesar to the Alexander of Condé. Seeking to gain as much advantage as you can before submitting to battle instead of going to battle to seek cracks to exploit.
Reminds me of Richard E. Lee and William Sherman. Richard E. Lee was good at fighting battles and was very aggressive whereas Sherman was better at considering the greater war and capagin.
@@lordofdarkness4204 dont you mean robert e lee and u.s. Grant
@@curlyfries2956 I think Grant is a better example, but Sherman is also applicable (this is visible in the Atlanta campaign). Both would have looked at the fortifications and said nope I'll just try to cut off your supply lines.
Problem is a general *NEEDS* to have the bigger picture in mind. If he's unable to do so he should never have risen to that rank.
And that is what makes Conde, in my opinion, a bad general pure and simple.
Basically, Mercy's style (turn a field battle into a siege) "hard-countered" Conde's style (frontal attack and rapidly exploitation).
Goes to show why it's important to pick the right man for the right job.
Also goes to show the genious of some generals like Caesar, who was able to both force and exploit a decisive engagement, and play siege warfare
@@Cancoillotteman Caesar would have walled Mercy there.
@@darkervx Or he would have freaked out at the sight of a musket claiming..What is this sorcery?
it still baffles me how they were able to put up such a good defense
@@Cancoillotteman Caesar's weakness was that most of his lieutenants were useless. One of a leader's role is to groom good subordinates and apparently he was useless at it.
If you are interested why at the begining Freiberg in Saxony was of that much importance: It was essiential for Saxony´s economy because of its silver mines, probably some of the richest north of the Alps.
@@bitterballs356 inheritance laws ...
It's really ridiculous when you think about it that a person can inherit a country to begin with ... let alone a foreign land ...
Medieval politics ... I tell ya ...
@@bitterballs356 Inheritence things
@@bitterballs356 Habsburg marriages, probably.
@@bitterballs356 Uhhh bruh ... yes there is ... the chinese empire was usually inherited by one of the children of the emperor and the same goes for many of the indian princes and their children. So I don't know what history class you went too but land inheritance has basically been the go to method for becoming the ruler of a nation ... for a looong time.
Taking it by force is only something that happens during a big social upheavel. So what is more likely is that you ''only'' read about conquests because these cause the most disruption in the social fabric of society. Nobody really cares when Prince #7 inherits the throne because most of the time he'll continue to use the same administrators and state officials that his father used. Therefore there is usually a smooth transition of power compared to the big event that is caused in history when a nation is conquered.
I mean nobody really cares about the 20 kings who ruled China inbetween each dynasty. They only remember the one who got defeated and conquered by the mongols for example. Nobody cares what king #10 did when the land was prosperous and peaceful.
@@bitterballs356 It's actually quite rare to happen in europe as well. Most often inheritance went to the direct male descendants and not to the women to be given as a dowry. Dowry was the rare exception and not the norm at all.
Many nobles also objected to the idea of having a foreign king or woman rule them so it was quite rare to actually occur even in Europe. It's more of a when the stars align kind of thing.
Another thing that the east has that is not so common in europe is that most powerful kings in the east had lots of wives so there were plenty of male descendants to choose from when in europe this wasn't considered legitimate in most cases (again exceptions everywhere lol).
China for example had plenty of concubines and in the muslim world the powerful pretty much binged on women too so there was never a shortage of direct descendants. I'm not sure on indian politics but im pretty sure they had similar systems and had quite a bit of inheritance and kingdom forging through marriages. Sending your daughter for marriage with another kingdom plays a big part in a lot of indian epics and stories.
Considering your name is chinese I reckon you must have had a lot of chinese history which focuses a lot of imperial side of things and from that perspective I can understand that these things might look strange at first. China had a lot of tribes and khanates around it where power was usually inherited through violence and who ever had the oppertunity to grab power for themselves. That in contrast to chinese straight inheritance through the imperial system makes for 2 opposing worlds of chaos and imperial order. The rest of the world was a lot more inbetween things.
But I definitely get where your going with. Land inheritance played no role for example in Imperial Rome or any of the republican nations that came after the medieval era and I can see how that might be a foreign concept to anyone.
In fact I'm still baffled by the fact that people just accepted such ridiculous sytems to begin with. But hey that's hindsight of a 21st century keyboard warrior.
Imagen being born on the first day of the 30 years war, and then being the last person to be killed when it ended. Knowing nothing, but a life time of war.
expected sabaton is expected
Millions of people throughout history have lived from cradle to grave in countries at war...
Basically like Afghanistan today.
@@TheDirtysouthfan Afghanistan's war has lasted over 41 years now, more than 30 years war
man Vietnam lasted over 100 years
I was so confused in the location of the map until I realized the difference in spelling of Freiberg and Freiburg!
For your interest: Freiberg means 'Free Hill' in German, while Freiburg is 'Free Castle'
The "burg" one is the same word which eventually developed into "borough" or "burgh" in English. Comes from proto Germanic *berg-an, "to shut in". Thus it came to mean a castle in some places, or a fortified town in others (probably because of Motte and Bailey style configurations, where one burh was both a fortified hamlet and also a pre-castle keep. In some languages I suppose it came to refer more to the keep and then passed over to castles, and in other languages it came to refer more the the town and then the area of influence of the town).
Meanwhile the "berg" one comes from *bergaz, the same word that eventually gave us "iceberg" in English (through Dutch apparently). "Berg" means mountain or a hill, so an iceberg is an "ice hill".
I guess technically you could have a "bergburg", which would be a "hill fort", though I'm not aware of anywhere with such a rubbish name.
The confusion only really appears in how we pronounce these words today. "Berg" and "burg" end up just being said "burrg" in modern English, but they'd have sounded a lot different back then.
I live here and it's super cool to see what happened in this city.
@@wulfherecyning1282 actually in the area I live (Allgäu, southern Germany) there is a village called "Burgberg", which would be a "rubbish name" in your point of view I think lmao
@@maxx1014 I'm shocked that such a place exists! :P but thank you for confirming that they can be used together.
I only say it is a rubbish name because it is so unimaginative. I feel the same about a hill here in England that I saw once, called "Mow Cop". It comes from either Anglo-Saxon "mugahyll" (heap-hill) plus "copp" (head), or a mix of Brythonic "moel" (hill) plus "copp" from Anglo-Saxon. I think it is the first, because it is shaped like a heap pile. There was no imagination in the name, it wasn't named for a famous siege or someone who owned it or after a god, just "heap-hill head", or "hill that is tallest in the area that is heaped". Boring.
Same goes for calling a place "hill fort". Couldn't they have named it after someone or something? After whoever built is, or after a local legend?
Etymology is fun, but it also dispels a lot of the magic in ancient place names when you realise your ancestors were unimaginative as heck haha
Turenne was considered the DUDE by the DUDE of the DUDES
Napoleon
Oui
Well, that's like, your opinion, man.
@@Matthew10950 Nope. Napoleon identified Turenne has one of his top seven commanders of all times.
@@Balrog2005 I know man, I was quoting a movie. The Dude abides.
And he was Mentor to some english dude, John Curchill.
12:58
Turenne: “hmm the enemy seems to have the defensive advantage, maybe we should move to cut their supply-“
Conde: “GLORIOUS CHARGE”
220 years later:
Gen. Longstreet: “hmm the enemy seems to have the defensive advantage, maybe we should move to cut their supply-“
Gen. Bobby Lee: “GLORIOUS CHARGE”
Turenne: “....”
The difference is: the first two days were a significant victories for Lee, and he was eager to exploit that. Also Maede was new. And the most important - despite the numerical disadvantage it was possibly the last chance for a meaningful victory for South. Any delays would only make Maede stronger, and avoiding the battle was basically admitting defeat in the war.
@@KidoKoin But Lee was blind. His calvary hadn't been doing it's reconnaissance job. And by the summer of 1863 it was obvious to all that slamming into prepared defensive positions was suicide. He didnt get anywhere on the flanks, what made him think the center was the key? No his best opinion at that point by the third day was to withdraw. Lee always had the smaller army with fewer resources. He should choose the time and place to fight, not his enemy.
Pavel K. Based on the video, it seems that Conde won some substantial victories in the first day as well. He forced the Imperials from a strong defensive position and seized their camp. The problem was the cost. Despite these victories, the Imperial army remained intact, remained able to fight, and had suffered far fewer casualties than the French army; thus, despite Conde’s tactical victories on the first day, the strategic balance shifted towards the Imperials. As I understand it, much the same played out at Gettysburg. In fact, the Confederates arguably did worse at Gettysburg. Conde at least managed to push the Imperials from their initial position; despite destroying the Union corps under Sickles and inflicting heavy losses on the second day, Bobby Lee failed to do that.
robert moore precisely. Longstreet (claims to have) recommended a flanking maneuver to place the Confederate army between Meade and Washington. That would have forced Meade to attack the Confederates at a time and place of Lee’s choosing, which (as demonstrated many times before) would likely have led to a Confederate victory.
Lee at Gettyburg , Lee should know that the attack end in an desaster he did it the same way with Burnside at Fredericksburg/Maryes heights, but to be fair it was not Burnsides failure at all because he waited over a week for the Pontoons to cross the River meanwhile Lee had his Army in a strong defensive position at the heights above Fredericksburg
Turenne is one of the finest commanders in French history, we will see more of him if you cover the wars of Louis XIV.
Yes! Louis XIV wars please! The time when France fought everybody else before Napoleon did
I'm not even sure how many times I have facepalmed when hearing Conde's decisions.
just another rich incompetent aristocrat who rises through the rank simply because he came out of some rich woman's pussy
@@mynamejeb8743 except Conde is generally considered one of the best generals during this war. Perhaps you forget that it was his aggression that won Rocroi.
Cavalry generals are generally temperamental and overly aggressive. It's what makes them excellent at exploitation. But this wasn't a field battle -- it had all the traits of a siege.
But surpringsily, it worked almost fine for him. Sure, they lost a lot of men, but they managed to keep pushing the Imperials back.
@@JohnnyElRed I think credit for that goes to Turenne. His coordination with Conde was amazing. I wish my teammates were that good in 2v2 matches.
@@mynamejeb8743 Yes, modern military academies study him because he was incompetent. That must be it. Alternatively, you are a moron who clearly did not bother to do as much as a simple Google search on the man before writing your crap.
Also, Condé's bad decisions in this particular battle aside, his own personal bravery was as high as ever (and probably the sole reason his troops did not rout, seeing their general braving the bullets and cannon shot together with them was a powerful inspiration back in those days).
Jesus the entire battle was literally just "Turenne bails Conde's aggressive ass out, ad infinitum"
Great more Thirty Years war, hope u cover The Seven years war and 80 years war after finishing this series.
Yesss.. More gunpowder period and age of sail European wars please. :)
Turenne: look, sieges are complicated and take time, we should focus on weakening the enemy’s position and gaining what advantages we-
Conde: GET ‘EEEEEEM!
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Conde: TAKE THE F****G HILL!
This is so breathtaking, you are by far my favorite history channel
I love this channel so much. I can not describe how amazing it is to be sitting here in my chair with some food and watching this highly professional and qualitative channel's content. Kings and Generals is one of the best things TH-cam has to offer.
As a german from Tuttlingen, it's really nice to see my home region in a video. Good job!
Ah Gallas, the destroyer of (his own) armies :P
Hey! Can't you celebrate his consistency? You're a glass half empty kind of person?
You should do an emperor Trajan series!
Great Idea
There are very few details about the battles the Romans fought under Trajan unfortunately
@@llysHomeCooking That's right, i've just read a biography of him and i only got few very macro datas about the whole dacia and mesopotamia campaigns.
@@iagosevatar4865 can you name the biography name/source, please?
@@zoso8459 Written by Christophe Burgeon (but it's a french one, i'm not sure if there's a translated edition).
Conde battering away at fixed defences with equal numbers and regardless of losses, is like something from 1916.
And there I sit by the banks of the Dreisam sipping beer in the warm summer sun, unaware that I was right next to such an important battlefield of the 30 years war.
I did not know this about my hometown at all!
Thank you for educating me, now I'll definetly look up if there are memorials or remnants from the battlefield in our museums :D
My favorite channel makes a video about a battle on the city I live in, could I be luckier? it is really crazy to imagine that the streets I walk everyday where once a battlefield. By the way, most of the places mentioned in the video still exist and are now neighbourhoods of Freiburg, such as Merzhausen or Haslach. Lorettoberg and Schönberg are great for hiking but I can't imagine what it must have been to attack an enemy defending the top of those hills.
This documentary also explains why there is a Mercystraße on the Lorettoberg in Freiburg. Grüße nach Freiburg!
This war was a total mess with German civilians caught in between the ambitions of European superpowers
Imperials civilians *
Dutch, Belgian, and now Frenchmen from the then imperial Franche Comté also suffered terribly. As an anecdote about that if you watch the Tour de France next year the final chrono stage takes place on a climb called "La Planche des Belles Filles" (translates to "Cliff of the Beautiful Girls") which names comes from 200 women who jumped to their death from the cliff to avoid getting caught by an advancing army during that war
@@Cancoillotteman Damn, I know of the mountain, but I didn't know why it was called that.
@@Cancoillotteman you are correct. Thanks for sharing that anecdote - truely horrible
I was thinking that all those little towns probably were smoking ruins by the end.
all humans (not only specific nationality) have sufferred in this mess
Conde was a most inspirational leader (see Villar's comment at Seneffe). Turenne was probably (with Saxe, Davout or Tourville) the greatest of French Marshals. Mercy is possibly the most brilliant, yet strangely forgotten, Bavarian commander in history.
Other armies; we should do this and perhaps that to avoid this in order to that, further more...
French army; CHAAAAARGEEEE
Why do you think they lost so many battles?
Srsly that lasted until ww1
@@barbiquearea
meh , they won more than they lost .
@@stormbringer2840 more than everyone actually
That's why they're the best military force in the world.
@@barbiquearea Because they fought more battles ? They won more than anybody too.
The thing is, when you're right in the middle of several major powers, you tend to successively fight them all during all of their heydays. Strategically, France's position was rather bad, unless they were in a period of absolute domination over their neighbours.
Thanks for taking the time to get this awsum documentary perfect! Great job K&G!
Thanks for supporting us!
Awsum is that new Slang or just typo?
If it just new slang , sorry for thaf..
@@evvec1490 old slang 😬
I have one suggestion for all videos: can you please place a distance measurement reference on the screen to get a sense of the scale of travel & battle distances. (I end up going on Google maps all the time to understand)
Also, Battle Verdun WWI would be epic!
conde's strategy of advance is somewhat similar to blitzkreig but then they had tanks and were usually fighting on flat terrain. This is extremely effective if used right. This battle just shows the importance of changing strategies based on your situation. No one size fits all.
@Kings and Generals Not gonna lie, although I love reading military history, this era's battles just feel all over the place. So disjointed over vast distances with so much of detail without radio communications or the dispatch and Fredrick's staff system that makes 18th century and Napoleonic era battles so easy to understand. That strange place between pike and shot and line infantry eras, everything in transition. Thank you so much for giving us this easy to understand way. With the scarcity of free detailed texts on an already complex topic, I don't think I would have ever gotten so much of information in such an easily understandable way. Thanks guys!
How are they not out of manpower, sailors and gold after all the battles?
its just 14-20k stack soldier, many on reserve
Mercenaries
Lots of desertions means you just re recruit many of your lost troops that flee after battles.
Looting all the gold of Mexico and Peru helped Spain.
Foreign funding for both sides, and different actors carrying the brunt of the war effort at different times. Otherwise there is no way they could have kept warring for so long.
"You know we are not english, right? They are not going to make a movie about us if we bum rush and get killed".
God, I just love the sense of humor of K&G.
kings and generals is not bazbattles though, no need to imitate
The English are the only people who remember defeats more fondly than victories.
@@Yora21 No they don't. They just have a tendency to turn defeats into heroïc struggles lol
Nicely done.
A very much forgotten story is revived by the Kings and general channel.
Brilliant and clear description of this rather confusing but decisive battle of the Thirty Years' war. Once more, this video is of great help for clarifying the course of events of this very complex and multi-dimensional conflict. Looking forward to discovering the next episode !
One of the most confusing and complex battles in the History of Europe! I actually forgot what the fight was all about! :o
Yeah, some dudes fell of the balcony lol
"Complex"
I don't think "blindly charging and getting repulsed over and over again" is complex.
Why have I never heard of Franz von Mercy before? He seems to have been an exceptionally competent general.
French: I charge the enemy with bravery and resolve. Why am I losing the battle?
Japanese Samurai, after losing a battle against peasants with guns: first time?
Lmao. The French did this way before the Samurais.
You guys rock... it’s been amazing seeing how history videos have evolved on TH-cam. From guys just recording themselves at their desks reading notes too videos like these that make anything the history tv channel ever did look amateur. I’ve had my TH-cam account since the first days of TH-cam.
Love this channel and this series, thank you for all the work you guys put into it!
Thanks for watching!
Conde seems to have studied under the esteemed strategist Zapp Brannigan and mastered his genius tactic of sending wave after wave of men to deplete the enemy's kill count.
To be fair, Condé did charge with his men.
I don't know if they found comfort in that, though.
Ah yes off course, all recorded in Zapp Brannigan's big book of war!
Music is from Napoleon: Total War
Edit: It's actually from Empire: Total War
@Aleksa Petrovic Yes, my bad
I guess the troop animations is from that game too.
Less than ten years later, Condé and Turenne would be fighting against each other during the Fronde (the civil war that happened in France during the youth of Louis XIV).
(Battle of the Heroes intensifies)
HAS MAN GONE INSANE, A FEW WILL REMAIN
TO LIVE ONE MORE DAY, THROUGH DECADES OF WAAAAR
IT SPREADS LIKE DISEASE, THERES NO SIGN OF PEACE
RELIGON AND GREED, CAUSE MILLIONS TO BLEED
@@jqad3984 3 decades of war when they face dearh there all alike
@@malekiththeeternityking5433 greetings, Emperor
When they faced death they're all alike
No right or wrong!
Rich or poor!
No matter who they served before!
Good or bad,
They're all the same.
Rest side by side now...
Commenting to boost engagement in the TH-cam algorithm. Keep up the good work.
Oh wow congrats on reaching 1 millions subs!! Keep up the great content, really enjoy it.
This was quite an interesting video. And it was enjoyable. My compliments to those who made this video a reality.
That battle was intense I got goosebumps
This series needs more attention! Such a unique period of history
How is it unique?
I thought Rocroi is the final battle in Thirty Years War. Thank you for continue my favorite series.
The battle of Lens is the last major battle I believe.
Finally a new episode on thirty years war
Another great video to start my morning 😁
One of the best channels for history!
"When will these idiots stop fighting?" - Tucco, from the Good the Bad and the Ugly.
Darn that 30 year war was such a mess! Good video K&G's 👍🏼
Brilliantly done 👍👍👍👍
Conde must have thought the enemy general would beg for... Mercy.
Last time I was this fast my boi gustav still slaying Catholics
waiting for the video finally paid off, thanks Kings&generals.
You can always count on a àudatious attack from the French. What a fight!
Fun fact: I was born in Freiburg and went to school in Sasbach, where Turrenne died. There is s still a tiny "museum" for him in Sasbach.
Well spent 25 minutes, as always... can't stop watching your documentaries, haha...
Any idea what track is playing at 11:01 ?
It's some song from the stellaris is soundtrack idk the name but it gives a lead
@@_ALEPH OMG thanks! I'm gonna do some trial and error to find it 😅
It's from ck2
@@Renault07 Do you know the name of the track?
@@wazihmurshed4549 I do not know the specific name, but it's the soundtrack that triggers whenever a war is declared, if that helps
Love this, Thank you.
Kings and Generals,it's my new History channel!
21:42
Conde's expectation: im good at frontal assault, Turenne good at flanking, so let's do that and it should be easy.
Conde's reality: How am I stuck at the flank and Turenne doing the front wtf....
I subbed as soon as I heard your ad with brilliant!🙏
the quality of your VODs is gettin higher and higher when will this madness stop ??!
cheers
Conde's attack play is LITERALLY what a five-year old would come up with and what was most hoped for. What a fool.
Conde: "Alright let's do this, LERRROOOOYYY JEEENKINS!!"
Turenne: "Oh my god he just went in"
Turenne: "We'll take him together. You go in slowly on the left..."
Conde: "I'm taking him now!"
Me:just watched the SandRhoman video on the Landskenecht
K&G:drops Thirty Years' War video
Me:this is where the fun begins
Haha, exactly my thoughts :P feels like the Sunday we deserve!
Lol same
@@SandRhomanHistory glad you're also here
Imagine charging against all that! Must have been exciting and terrifying.
Such a tensed documentary! You will be sweating to know who is winning.
The Swedes do not care from whence the blood flows, only that it flows
Omega Alpha your right. “Muh Vikang Ancestors”- says black man
I like how after the 4 th wave failed Conde decided to organize the scattered soldiers into a fifth attack wave just to be sure if it will work or not.
Toda's my birthday. Thank you!
French private: "What are your orders sir?!?"
Conde: "CHARGE!!!!"
French private: "Wha?"
Condé and Turenne were both good commanders, but this video is a good demonstration of why Turenne was clearly the better of the two.
ahh yes, conde's "just charge bro" tactics were so ingenious :D
Turenne was a military genius !
Favourite series is back
This gets a whole new perspective when youa ctually know the places they are talking about. Whoa!
Morning Sunday coffee and relax with new video, life couldn’t be better this moment.
Kris Mi I guess that balances out how fucking miserable my life is lmao
Will you guys cover the reign of Louis the 14th? It barely has any coverage on TH-cam and well who wouldve guessed its actually incredebly interesting and important
Especially it is the period where huge european war became a tradition to do every couple of years
Awesome videos!
I really enjoy your videos but, it’s hard to keep track of who you are talking about. It might be useful to highlight on the map the figures as you mention them by name? Just a thought, and thanks for the content.
Love this channel
This war seems to have had a lot of Hannibal like figures like Gustavus Adolphus and Turenne who could win incredible victories but didn’t know how to use them.
Great video.
Conde was unbelievably gutsy, but he honestly threw away the lives of so many men...
As I still enjoy and learn from K&Gs videos, I've noted that one thing ruined battles of many strong generals throughout the course of history: overconfidence.
when are you going to make more videos of Roman and Ottoman History??? Both of those series are my favorite
Keep more vids coming!
"Hmmm! The last two frontal assaults resulted in massive, grievous casualties...I know! Let's do it a third time! That should work!"
*later*
"Why didn't that work?"
22:56. I didn't know that they had bayonets (and not even just plug bayonets!) in 1644. :)
4:44 largely protestant Hungarian Transylvania
We did have a major impact earlier, in 1619 in the 30 years war with Bethlen Gábor (who ruled over the golden age of Transylvania 1619-1629) and is represented for this on the wall of reformers in Geneva. In 1643 Rákóczi tried to get involved but the Ottomans opposed these plans and he had to contend with a peace treaty with the Habsburgs.
love The video !