A sad combination of fog, a nearsighted king and a good fast horse. All helping to separate the king from his unit. And if a leader is not stacked with his unit, he is eliminated (thats a wargame reference).
In Danish, there is a saying "To know ones Pappenheimers". It means, to know thoroughly the people you're dealing with, specifically their weaknesses and poor qualities. It is directly linked to this battle and the battle prowess and tactical discipline of our Swedish cousins. And the idiocy of Pappenheim...
Same in Dutch! But overhere "je pappenheimers kennen" is also used when you can trust people, in Dutch its more contextual. The term knowing your Pappenheimers comes from a 18th century play by Friedrich von Schiller about the 30 year war with van Wallenstein trusting Zu Pappenheim because he saved Wallenstein a few times in battle.
Another wonderful historical coverage video about two different doctrines of the same religious clashed in(Brietenfeld battle-1631 AD ) in Europe. Thank you for an excellent ( History Marche )channel for sharing this magnificent episode.
@HistoryMarche Napoleon who was a huge fan of Adolphus and had studied this battle gave his own battle field tour of Lutzen before his own battle of Lutzen in 1813
I see most comments dilate on Pappenheim alleged poor judgement but I digress. Swedes had triple cannon power dug in and superior numbers dealing massive damage in exchanging fire. The whole front was stationary to the advantage of swedes and Pappenheim had to take the initiative (as the commander of cavalry) to induce some sort of mistake from swedes and disrupt the current run. After the left was routed Pappenheim rallied some of his broken troops and return to the fray to salvage the trapped center. You cannot deny his warrior qualities though he faced new tactics and solid veteran disciplined troops. I believe the blame lies entirely with Tilly for not recognizing enemy's strength and his own weakness in artillery and not adjusting accordingly. For my part Pappenheim did extremely well.
ahahaha it's incredible that a week ago a reel about this battle appeared and when I wanted to look for it here I couldn't find it and j Then when I said "well, I'm not going to look any further" historiamarche comes and reads your mind.
Another great episode HM, but I must ask: Is this a masterpiece due to use of cannon, or more due to the fact that Adolphus had the good sense to bring along a Scott with a bagpipe? 31:01
Isolani is one of the best cavalry commanders in the entire war. His light cavalry was composed of men from the Ottoman border and was specialized in "small war" on the border. Known as Krabaten, their counterpart in the Protestant army would be the Finnish light horsemen Hakkapelitta.
I only got to know this thanks to the Sabaton song Gott Mitt Uns, but there's still much I don't know about what makes this battle the masterpiece of Gustavus. Now with this, I get to know this battle with more details and to see how this goes.
I've been reading 'Europe's Tragedy' by Peter Wilson and his take on Gustavus is rather different to the one alluded to here. Not saying he's right or wrong, because History is all about perspective, but the book is a great read for anyone interested in this era of warfare.
You know Adolphus is not his last name, its his second birthname. His full name is Gustav Adolf Vasa, but the second name is used to separate him from his grandfather Gustav Vasa. So when you call him ”Adolphus”, maybe you should use ”Vasa” or ”Gustav”. Great video BTW.
31:00 You’re running for your life, the whole line is turning and fleeing. The protestants have won, you hear bagpipes playing as you trip and fall over one of your comrades. You look up and see a Scottish man wearing a kilt standing over you holding a giant sword in one hand and those bagpipes you heard earlier in the other. It's John Hepburn.
For a Northern European country to be projected that much power East & South must have required not only marshal prowess but one hell of a logistic system for the age.
Evangelical catholic Lutherans for the win! ❤ The religion of the Prince is the religion of the territory, thus ending the Pope's alleged temporal authority.
Gustav Adolf II was a unique monarch in his time (where warrior kings were becoming less common), a good strategist, a better tactician and an intelligent military reformer (although after his death, his complex formations were abandoned in favor of the use of simpler Brigades); however, I still find it an insult that he is still considered the "Father of Modern Warfare", mainly because he was not the one who popularized the use of combined firearms in the infantry in large numbers (since by then a whole century had passed since that), but also because what he did was a third reform of what the Dutch did with Maurice of Nassau secondly with his battalions (less dense formations and greater focus on firearms) and of what the Spanish already did before with their Tercios firstly with the Ordinance of 1536 (improvement of the Coronelias of the Great Captain and the reforms of the Catholic Monarchs). The father of something is supposed to be the one who starts it from scratch (as is the case of Philip II with the Macedonian Phalanx, instead of Alexander the Great), if Gustav Adolf were called "Father of the Line Infantry", there would be no discussion, but of ALL MODERN WARFARE... it is historically incorrect; warfare had stopped being medieval since the beginning of the 16th century, not from the 17th century. The true Father of Modern Warfare (and of all the formations of the Pike and Shot era) can be none other than Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba (The Great Captain), who transformed the still medieval model used by the Swiss, Germans and French into a modern pike and shooting machine, enhancing the use of companies tactically (as he did in his campaigns and battles of the first two Italian Wars), as well as combining for the first time the arquebusiers within more autonomous and less monolithic formations than the Swiss in his Spanish Coronelias (the direct antecedent of the Spanish Tercios, which remained practically unbeatable for 150 years). The only reason I see that he is not given credit is not because he does not deserve it, as shown by his genius in battles such as Cerignola and Garellano in 1503 (which literally mark the beginning of the dominance of the Infantry in wars up to the present day), but because the Anglo-Saxon and French military historiography (which are the dominant ones in Europe), completely ignore giving due value to the contributions made by military men from Southern Europe (which is incorrectly seen as backward in everything). To such an extent that they ignore all the Spanish and Italian generals of the 16th century among their top lists of great military men in history (which makes no sense if one sees that they dominated an entire century in war), such as the Great Captain, Fernando de Avalos, Manuel Filberto de Saboya, the Grand Duke of Alba and Alejandro Farnesio; without omitting Ambrosio Spinola and Cardinal-Infante Ferdinand of Austria in the 17th century. P.S.: The Tercios of the Holy Roman Empire were only imitations of the Spanish ones, they never managed to reach the same level of professionalism, tactical use of companies and speed of fire of their musketeers, added to the fact that Tilly was very tactically rigid with that formation; therefore this battle cannot be taken as a real confrontation between the Spanish Tercios and the Swedish Brigade, since it actually happened in the Battle of Nördlingen in 1634 when there were really 100% Spanish Tercios on the front (under the command of Cardinal-Infante Ferdinand of Austria) and not mercenaries... look for the battle on this channel, it was uploaded a year ago.
I always feel sad for Tilly here. He was an excellent general who suffered from bad luck at the end. He seems somewhat understudied versus Gustavus and Wallenstein
Can you make a video on the Battle of rain and I would love to see it because in this battle the Swedish and saxe Weimar troops crushed the imperial forces killing count Tilly.
Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj was compared with Napoleon and Hannibal by the Britz when they ruled India but I say Napoleon was banished and Hannibal lost. I want a whole playlist of Videos with Chatrapati Shivaji as Leader and How he carved a whole empire with starting from 1 fort against 5 Muslim Empires and against Different European Powers he also created an Navy to defend coasts of India and thats why he's father of Indian Navy after 350 years of his Death. ❤
Please stop spreading misinformation like at 23:52, the imperial definitely didnt intend to use caracole against heavier firepower, their failed charges did resemble caracole exactly because they were failed -> the men broke and rode back before engaging in melee because of physical and morale shock.
Thou’d thinketh that knave Tilly might have sense enough to loosen up his infantry formations in the face of my legendary artillery accuracy. Alas, no. My victory is inevitable!
It helps to reinforce the concepts in the video. You get an introduction of the battle and are introduced to some of the names. Then he explains the background of the larger conflict and who these people are before going into more detail on the battle itself. Just my 2 cents anyways.
I'm gonna be honest man I don't wanna give any hate. I love your videos personally, but I think your language is getting a bit extreme when you're describing the battles.
Gustavus career is looking bright
I sure hope he wont die within a year after this
His legend never died
He just was very unfortunate. In war you can never be sure
A sad combination of fog, a nearsighted king and a good fast horse. All helping to separate the king from his unit. And if a leader is not stacked with his unit, he is eliminated (thats a wargame reference).
Sure would be a shame
"A time of religion and war, legends tell the tale of a lion
This beast in the shape of a man, with a dream to rule sea and land!"
I knew this would be the top comment! xD
As a Swede, I have been taught about this battle in school and university but I have never seen it show tactically. Thank you!
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In Danish, there is a saying "To know ones Pappenheimers". It means, to know thoroughly the people you're dealing with, specifically their weaknesses and poor qualities. It is directly linked to this battle and the battle prowess and tactical discipline of our Swedish cousins. And the idiocy of Pappenheim...
Germany has this saying as well, "der kennt seine Pappenheimer".
Same in Dutch! But overhere "je pappenheimers kennen" is also used when you can trust people, in Dutch its more contextual. The term knowing your Pappenheimers comes from a 18th century play by Friedrich von Schiller about the 30 year war with van Wallenstein trusting Zu Pappenheim because he saved Wallenstein a few times in battle.
Thanks for more great historical battle video # 1 on TH-cam!!
The generals of this era were absolutely crazy. Warfare that combined old and new. My favorite era of warfare
You guys should give us a hour long video on Lutzen next! Thanks for the video
I hope you keep doing this for years, I have learnt so much from you. Thank you so much
Thank you for your hard work and dedication. Your videos are always a joy to watch.🐞🍷🎯
Another wonderful historical coverage video about two different doctrines of the same religious clashed in(Brietenfeld battle-1631 AD ) in Europe. Thank you for an excellent ( History Marche )channel for sharing this magnificent episode.
Love your content! Just watching the early part of the video so far but I'm already hooked.
Hope you enjoy!
Could you imagine the of horror canister shot upon a Tercio? All those tightly packed troops one massive target.
Amazing video as always! Thanks HM!
Hey, son. Glad to see you’re sharing stories about your old man again.
Another amazing video, my absolute favourite channel, thank you for everything!
great video love this tme period!
Something something Sabaton something something Gott Mit Uns
May this comment be a sacrifice to the Algorithm.
Cheers man, good seeing you here
@HistoryMarche Napoleon who was a huge fan of Adolphus and had studied this battle gave his own battle field tour of Lutzen before his own battle of Lutzen in 1813
@@HistoryMarche Always and a day. Cheers from Tennessee
LOL 😆
So be it!
Will you cover Lutzen? Besides this, super work.😊
That's the plan!
@HistoryMarche Thank you :)
Great work, thanks 🎉
Great video as always
History marche! Thanks For this! Always look forward to your videos ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Glad you enjoyed! Cheers for stopping by
More on the 30 years war. PLEASE!
To the algorithm! Another great video!
Spent the night in formation
To the battle we marched in the dawn
We were ready to die for our king
@@Divine_Evil On the fields of Breitenfeld.
Never missed an episode
Another wonderful video
as always great work!!
Lovely documentary
this channel is going up as always❤
Around 3:15 is the most metal writing I've ever heard
Clicked as soon as it was posted keep em coming! 🙏
Aw heck... I was gonna do something else today but these videos always make me want to play Mount & Blade after I get done watching them. Lol
“Babe wake up, a new HistoryMarche video just dropped”
Been waiting on a Breitenfeld episode! May my comment serve as a sacrifice to the algorithm on this day
I see most comments dilate on Pappenheim alleged poor judgement but I digress. Swedes had triple cannon power dug in and superior numbers dealing massive damage in exchanging fire. The whole front was stationary to the advantage of swedes and Pappenheim had to take the initiative (as the commander of cavalry) to induce some sort of mistake from swedes and disrupt the current run. After the left was routed Pappenheim rallied some of his broken troops and return to the fray to salvage the trapped center. You cannot deny his warrior qualities though he faced new tactics and solid veteran disciplined troops. I believe the blame lies entirely with Tilly for not recognizing enemy's strength and his own weakness in artillery and not adjusting accordingly. For my part Pappenheim did extremely well.
The Count of Tilly was a really good commander in his own right. But the Swedes still just smashed him here.
They say God punished him for the sack of Magdeburg.
ahahaha it's incredible that a week ago a reel about this battle appeared and when I wanted to look for it here I couldn't find it and j
Then when I said "well, I'm not going to look any further" historiamarche comes and reads your mind.
excellent
I think the Hannibal series might actually be over guys 💔
Working on it mate.
@HistoryMarche Are you doing a multiple part video?
Another great episode HM, but I must ask: Is this a masterpiece due to use of cannon, or more due to the fact that Adolphus had the good sense to bring along a Scott with a bagpipe? 31:01
OMG OMG AMAZING VIDEO AMBATUKAM
I didn’t know Tilly was also such a great commander. I feel like he should be better known.
The Lion of the North! Thanks For this 😊😊😊😊😊
Isolani is one of the best cavalry commanders in the entire war.
His light cavalry was composed of men from the Ottoman border and was specialized in "small war" on the border. Known as Krabaten, their counterpart in the Protestant army would be the Finnish light horsemen Hakkapelitta.
I only got to know this thanks to the Sabaton song Gott Mitt Uns, but there's still much I don't know about what makes this battle the masterpiece of Gustavus. Now with this, I get to know this battle with more details and to see how this goes.
Good video
I've been reading 'Europe's Tragedy' by Peter Wilson and his take on Gustavus is rather different to the one alluded to here. Not saying he's right or wrong, because History is all about perspective, but the book is a great read for anyone interested in this era of warfare.
Great video. One tiny thing, it's BanEEr not BAAner (it means banner btw).
I could listen to this man read an ingredient label...
I have been waiting for this....
You know Adolphus is not his last name, its his second birthname. His full name is Gustav Adolf Vasa, but the second name is used to separate him from his grandfather Gustav Vasa. So when you call him ”Adolphus”, maybe you should use ”Vasa” or ”Gustav”.
Great video BTW.
What is wrong with calling him Adolphus? Outside Sweden he is widely known by that name, so I think it is best to call him that.
31:00 You’re running for your life, the whole line is turning and fleeing. The protestants have won, you hear bagpipes playing as you trip and fall over one of your comrades. You look up and see a Scottish man wearing a kilt standing over you holding a giant sword in one hand and those bagpipes you heard earlier in the other. It's John Hepburn.
FOR THE ALGORITHM 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Please make a video on Battle of indus 1221 between Genghis khan and Jalaluddin.
My day has been made
For a Northern European country to be projected that much power East & South must have required not only marshal prowess but one hell of a logistic system for the age.
Awesome
Evangelical catholic Lutherans for the win! ❤ The religion of the Prince is the religion of the territory, thus ending the Pope's alleged temporal authority.
El príncipe de un territorio no es vicario de cristo para definir la doctrina ni las creencias de su pueblo
Horn and the hakkapeliitat.
Gustav Adolf II was a unique monarch in his time (where warrior kings were becoming less common), a good strategist, a better tactician and an intelligent military reformer (although after his death, his complex formations were abandoned in favor of the use of simpler Brigades); however, I still find it an insult that he is still considered the "Father of Modern Warfare", mainly because he was not the one who popularized the use of combined firearms in the infantry in large numbers (since by then a whole century had passed since that), but also because what he did was a third reform of what the Dutch did with Maurice of Nassau secondly with his battalions (less dense formations and greater focus on firearms) and of what the Spanish already did before with their Tercios firstly with the Ordinance of 1536 (improvement of the Coronelias of the Great Captain and the reforms of the Catholic Monarchs).
The father of something is supposed to be the one who starts it from scratch (as is the case of Philip II with the Macedonian Phalanx, instead of Alexander the Great), if Gustav Adolf were called "Father of the Line Infantry", there would be no discussion, but of ALL MODERN WARFARE... it is historically incorrect; warfare had stopped being medieval since the beginning of the 16th century, not from the 17th century. The true Father of Modern Warfare (and of all the formations of the Pike and Shot era) can be none other than Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba (The Great Captain), who transformed the still medieval model used by the Swiss, Germans and French into a modern pike and shooting machine, enhancing the use of companies tactically (as he did in his campaigns and battles of the first two Italian Wars), as well as combining for the first time the arquebusiers within more autonomous and less monolithic formations than the Swiss in his Spanish Coronelias (the direct antecedent of the Spanish Tercios, which remained practically unbeatable for 150 years).
The only reason I see that he is not given credit is not because he does not deserve it, as shown by his genius in battles such as Cerignola and Garellano in 1503 (which literally mark the beginning of the dominance of the Infantry in wars up to the present day), but because the Anglo-Saxon and French military historiography (which are the dominant ones in Europe), completely ignore giving due value to the contributions made by military men from Southern Europe (which is incorrectly seen as backward in everything). To such an extent that they ignore all the Spanish and Italian generals of the 16th century among their top lists of great military men in history (which makes no sense if one sees that they dominated an entire century in war), such as the Great Captain, Fernando de Avalos, Manuel Filberto de Saboya, the Grand Duke of Alba and Alejandro Farnesio; without omitting Ambrosio Spinola and Cardinal-Infante Ferdinand of Austria in the 17th century.
P.S.: The Tercios of the Holy Roman Empire were only imitations of the Spanish ones, they never managed to reach the same level of professionalism, tactical use of companies and speed of fire of their musketeers, added to the fact that Tilly was very tactically rigid with that formation; therefore this battle cannot be taken as a real confrontation between the Spanish Tercios and the Swedish Brigade, since it actually happened in the Battle of Nördlingen in 1634 when there were really 100% Spanish Tercios on the front (under the command of Cardinal-Infante Ferdinand of Austria) and not mercenaries... look for the battle on this channel, it was uploaded a year ago.
Brilliant 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Is this the coincidence that this battle is covered on Gustavus Adolphus' death anniversary?
I always feel sad for Tilly here. He was an excellent general who suffered from bad luck at the end. He seems somewhat understudied versus Gustavus and Wallenstein
Seven times they attacked on that day
Seven times they retreated
Please make more of Iran's history
wow a 6 minute intro, never seen that yet
When will you continue your Hannibal series?
To the algorithm and well drilled mobile artillery! 🍻
Can you make a video on the Battle of rain and I would love to see it because in this battle the Swedish and saxe Weimar troops crushed the imperial forces killing count Tilly.
Please make the Battle of Baghdad between the Al Boyeh government and the Baghdad government
Der Löwe aus Mitternacht!
For the algorithm
PAPPENHEIM! WHY IS IT ALWAYS #$@%!~^# PAPPENHEIM?!?
-Commander Tilly. Probably.
"All together "Gott Mitt Uns!!!..."
First! Finally , my life is complete!
I can hear Sabaton in the background, no matter what you tell me
Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj was compared with Napoleon and Hannibal by the Britz when they ruled India but I say Napoleon was banished and Hannibal lost. I want a whole playlist of Videos with Chatrapati Shivaji as Leader and How he carved a whole empire with starting from 1 fort against 5 Muslim Empires and against Different European Powers he also created an Navy to defend coasts of India and thats why he's father of Indian Navy after 350 years of his Death. ❤
Shivaji I too had a sad ending, he was poisoned by his wife Soyarabai.
Hannibal part 20 when?
😅😂 He's guaranteed 1 comment every time he doesn't do Hannibal part 20
Gott mit uns
LIBERA ET IMPERA
*Obligatory Sabaton reference*
do more 1700 please papi
But fell at the Battle of Lützen!
And still won the battle, he's just the guy
Please stop spreading misinformation like at 23:52, the imperial definitely didnt intend to use caracole against heavier firepower, their failed charges did resemble caracole exactly because they were failed -> the men broke and rode back before engaging in melee because of physical and morale shock.
Hi
Thou’d thinketh that knave Tilly might have sense enough to loosen up his infantry formations in the face of my legendary artillery accuracy. Alas, no. My victory is inevitable!
First! Leaving my comment as a sacrifice for the algorithm 😊
WHERE IS HANNIBAL??? WHERE IS HANNIBAL??????? WHERE IS HANNIBAL????? WHERE IS HANNIBAL????
I thought this Swedish guy was a milltary genius
Edit ohhhhhhhh nevermind
Keep surprising us with your wonderful ideas. Your videos are a real inspiration.🫑🫶🐬
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Plz Do the battle of Stalingrad
Am I the only one who thinks these long intros that give away and double a large part of the core content make little sense?
I disagree cause we don’t know what exactly is occurring (and most people don’t know the battle) so it fundamentally doesn’t change tbh
It helps to reinforce the concepts in the video. You get an introduction of the battle and are introduced to some of the names. Then he explains the background of the larger conflict and who these people are before going into more detail on the battle itself. Just my 2 cents anyways.
I'm gonna be honest man I don't wanna give any hate. I love your videos personally, but I think your language is getting a bit extreme when you're describing the battles.
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SWEDEN
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