Friend of the show historian Zachary Twamley just released a book on the 30 Years' War and it is highly recommend if you want to dive deep into the events: www.amazon.ca/God-Devil-History-Thirty-Years/dp/1945430095/ "And then the Ottoman sultan basically saved the Habsburg monarchy" sounds unbelievable, and yet... Thing is, unlike other channels, we don't use clickbait titles - we only rely on our dear viewers to share the videos as much as possible. Really tried to end the series on episode #9, but there were too many interesting events. Previous videos in our series on the 30 Years' War: bit.ly/2ZEcxQD
I always keep in mind that all those movement and marching of troop is at the cost of pillaging and of ressources from the local. This makes the whole series far more dramatic and painful
@@syed1431 the common people who don't care about wars suffer in any war. There's no such thing as "noble" wars. There's always rape, pillaging and murder of any innocent civilians that even think of resisting said rape and pillaging. They've mentioned it in other videos but after a certain point it should go without saying that civilians are suffering throughout all of these events.
Always makes me laugh when a general is referred to as a genius.Does that word really apply to someone whose business it is to slaughter and maim as many of the enemy as possible?Efficient?Yes.Genius? No.
If I'm not mistaken, Turenne and Condé fought against each others during the period known as "La Fronde" who was a rebellion from french regional parliament, especially the parisian ones, joined later by some great nobles, including Condé. This period was crucial to understand how Louis XIV see great nobles. It would be also interesting to see the direct confrontation between the two french generals. Otherwise, great video as usual, very interesting.
@@Nasfelia Well not really, Conde wasn't in charge of the Spanish army and was only in charge f a small contingent, he nevertheless was the only general on the Spanish side to have any success and after the battle was lost he was the only one to withdraw in good order.
Imagine being a citizen of Nördlingen and have to see your city getting taken every two years. In every war but in this one especially it is important to not forget the immense human suffering that was going on parallel to the political game. It was truly horrible, which makes this series and everything about the 30 years war hard to watch honestly. Though I am still enjoying it of course. Especially the middle parts. I feel like the beginning and the end are relatively well known but everything in between is not, so good job for highlighting that
It was also one of the primary motivators for when the framers of the constitution(USA) to avoid turning the new world into a Europe 2.0. More history ought to be taught, borders are drenched in the blood of our ancestors.
@@NobleKorhedron Condé is known for his frontal charges that cost lives with no result, Turenne has been known to being opposed to it, yet Condé because of his status as Prince de Sang had always the higher authority, so Turenne had no option but follow his orders when put under his commandz Condé's strategies prooved to be a failur and the only meaningful victory he would score in the future during the Fronde would be when he used his brain and instead of attacking head on chose to encircle the enemy, meanwhile Turenne, after Mergentheim would go almost undefeated until his death.
@@thestatistician6076 Didn't Condé overran Franche Comté (and Lorraine as well I think) in the War of Devolution and Franco-Dutch War in what are regarded as stellar campaigns?! Valenciennes (which I assume is what you're refering to) wasn't his last feat great military feat at all. But yeah... He was too aggressive a commander but hey that's expected as he was a cavalryman by nature. The last of his reckless yet bold endeavor was the Battle of Seneffe. France again suffered more casualties than needed in that battle as he kept attacking despite having already repulsed the allied invasion.
@@Itachi951000 he was a cavalryman and failed to use amything he learnt ablut cavalry strategies and attacked with his own infantry the enemy center in every battle, speaks a lot about his professionalism. But i don't think his swift advance during the franco-dutch war and the fronde was due to superior tactics, rather he had higher quality troops most of the time and was faster, that is why he could strike with brute force, i don't like his strategy to be honest, especially in western europe, where forests and rivers are a dominant feature in the north, and hills and ridges in the south, in france it worked because of the flat terrain and his knowledge of the region, but in württemberg and ( correct please me if i am wrong ) in catalonia it failed. Also against the tercios, it was not ideal, because it was similar to attacking a phalanx head on.
@@thestatistician6076You're supposed to use infantry against enemy center. Infantry was usually in the center while cavalry on the flanks. Did you expect him to attack the enemy centre, which was usually filled with infantry units, with his cavalry ? Speaks a lot about your professionalism. You're the clown that put Davout above Turenne. You clearly don't know anything about military history and particularly 17th century or Conde. Grande Conde is the man who won at Rocroi, Lens, Valenciennes, Seneffe and successfully campaigned in Franche - Comte, on the Rhine and in Flanders. He defeated Turenne, twice ! Then held his own against Montecuccoli in 1675. At the Battle of Seneffe in 1674 Conde had smaller army than the enemy. Despite numerical inferiority he was able to stop the invasion, inflict higher casualties and force Coalition forces to retreat.
The French are not arrogant , I am tired of this French bashing it is a cultural behavior , a trait , like an « habitus » but the basic French is very humble and hate useless things like big cars , luxury , he is not superficial limit communist and hate the rich ! Don’t you see our riots ? The French are not arrogant
I think rather than attack Venice, Ottoman should attack Austria for took Northen Hungary from them. I not understand why Sultan Ibrahim did that mistake ??
@@034_yoppyilhamramadhan8 the sultan was a bit of fool literally (not joking ) due to his witness of the death of 4 of his brothers and his forced isolation also the janissaries by their numerous mutinies made it impossible
@@haythem7345 Yeah. That very stupid move from them (Ottoman). They declare war against Venice who was still strong enough in the Mediterranean Sea and have help from Knight Hospitaler just for take Crete and that war ended too long.
Thirty years War is probably the most brutal war in Europe before WWI. Even though it has an intriguing and fascinating plot, people are not very familiar with it in general. I really appreciate the video and hope for more about the topic.
@@thommyneterv the 30 years war wasn't 30 year continues either as I am aware most of it was fought in the early part of the 30 year period in question when France wasn't even involved and then again later near the end of it. Somewhat akin to early 20th century wars. Plus there was plenty of fighting during the 20s and the 30s even if some of it was internally to see who got the chance to finish it lol. Spanish civil war was in the 30s. As one example. The polish Soviet Ukrainian Hungarian little wars. Italian aggression wars+plus turkey and Greece in the 20s. All these things slowly kept the fires just smoltering enough until it was time to settle the matter
This is one of those wars that even after watching all these vids, I'm still not even sure what they were really fighting for. Wonder if these soldiers felt the same.
Soldiers were fighting for the territory and loot. As for their generals, they served their countries, or rather their rulers. And rulers were fighting for power, as usual.
Empire - Try to maintain tight control of border provinces and defend core area from Swedish and French forces, Border provinces - acquire more local control, Swedish - extend military and economic power onto the mainland of Europe, France - reduce the power of the Empire which bordered it both in the east and the south(Spain) --- Though the Thirty Years war is called the last of the religious wars the true reasons were geopolitical and economic
@@ShadowSumac None of that except for generals would've been nearly as clear cut as it seems. What does that territory matter to you average solider. It's pointless land that the soldier more often then not would be worthless. As for loot, maybe if they were lucky but chances are they wouldn't keep it because they would die, and the probably wouldn't be able to transport it and use it in any meaningful way, so I imagine they would feel the war was pointless, especially as it dragged on. More likely then not most German soldiers probably lost their entire families, so the soldiers were sort of living miserable worthless lives as far as they were concerned.
@@acosmicstoic9276 for the thirty years war, i would say 1) Torstensson 2) Turenne 3) Wallenstein For France, i would say: 1) Napoleon 2) Davout 3)Turenne ( he ties with Lannes for me because had he lived he may have been another napoleon, but again we can judge only on what we have)
@@Honkey99 get the heck out of here, if you and your cult want attention or to start fights, it is not your place here, go back where you came from, this is a place for discussion about culture and history, things above your low level.
@berg amin i mean he could simply tie down the venetians with constant naval raids while moving the bulk of the ottoman armies to support the offensive on vienna, even approaching the region would put venice proper under alarm of a possible siege and force it to not try and attack the ottoman agean holdings, in any case, the ottomans were never a naval dominant power so a land offensive against the empire was the most prudent course of action, yet there a reason why ibrahim did not want vienna to fall, if it was to fall, then the hungarians and transylvanians would have no neighbours to fight and would then turn against him, so he hoped that this way he would keep the empire weak and his vassals under check, and what do you know, it failed of course.
@@helio7455 yeah he had been called lunatic by a good number of historians, what is known for sure is that he was paranoid and had an unusual fear of men and a tendency towards women
Man, this series has been going more than a year. I'll have to rewatch it all when the last episode comes out; which I'm super excited for 'cause I live in Prague:)
This channel didn't just surpass the history Channel, it surpassed everything the history Channel ever even dreamed of being. Best history War documentaries I've ever seen, no comparison.
This is the first time that my hometown of Aschaffenburg is mentioned in a video like this. I was waiting for it the entire series as the Thirty Years War was the only time that my hometown was actually in the centre of a war effort for a short while. Well, in the Peasant War we were in the focus for a short time too but that is seldom remembered and I doubt that even a lot of Germans know much about the Peasant War as it is only taught as a sidenote in highschool history lessons.
13:38: you mean that way back in 1646, a general realized that elan doesn’t stop cannonballs? Where was this guy in all the other wars of the period, and why did it take 300 years for the rest of the world to figure this out?
Turenne started his career in the 1620s, and didn't retire until the end of the Dutch War in 1675. He even fought Conde when the latter defected to Spain during the Fronde. France's most famous military march is "Monsieur Turenne" for a reason.
Consider upscaling these awesome graphics to 4K, even if the footage of troops moving is in 1080p it'll still look better on TH-cam, but the extra clarity would help us read the names of the armies which are almost too small to read! Awesome work!
I really like your use of maps to show the strategical situation. You also give good insight on the major strongholds on the frontiers or elsewhere - even the tiny ones like Amberg, Bavarias main base in the Upper Palatinate. Thumbs up to the attention on detail! Still, there are minor errors or "oversights" ;) Strasbourg was actually neutral and unoccupied, France had captured Thionville in 1643, the Bavarians retained Freiburg in 1644 and Trier was occupied by Spain from 1635 to late 1645 (Turenne captured it on his retreat). Also the Imperials still held Budweis and Pilsen in Bohemia following the Battle of Jankau. Pilsen even had a fascinating commander, born as "Jan van der Croon", after former Spanish service he was known as "Johann de la Corona". "Commander Corona" rose from a commoner and pikeman to regiment owner and later to general and baron. But those details are rather negligible given your awesome content :)
I hereby move to rename the Thirty Years’ War to the Thirty Years’ Wars. Between the Bohemian/Protestant revolt, the Danish intervention, the Swedish intervention, the French invasions, and now the Franco-Swedish alliance, I count at least four separate wars here that all just kind of...blend into each other. That’s not even including the Spanish, Dutch, and Transylvanians/Ottomans, who all had their fingers in the pot as well. What a mess.
I have watched the whole series, not once, not twice, but 4x. Thirty years' war was always a mess for me, despite I like history. Thanks to your series, I finally understand it on a basic level so that I can speak about it to others and explain it to them. It always brings me joy to know something new and to understand it. Your videos are great in this. Easy to understand both on global political level and the battles. I really love the graphics, music and the voice, I see nothing to improve. If only young pupils could watch Kings and Generals during history lessons at schools, people would like and understand history much more. Greetings from Prague.
I mean these videos are amazing and for free as well I i... I can’t thank you so much for teaching us so much for nothing I will always be a fan of kings and generals.
Wow dude! 😍 Today afternoon itself I've completed watching all 8 previous episodes of this series and today is the same day a new 9th episode has been released! Amazing series K&G! 👏👏👏
I was in a hurry to finish the episode so increased the playback speed to x1.5 and it just made me chuckle, every army darting across Germany while the narrator seems like he is struggling to keep up with what is happening.
It's fun to learn more about a swedish commander as wrangel as I have been at his family castle at Skokloster (shoe monastery) castle and partly grew up in the area
7:14 At this point, Spain was effectively ruled by the Count-Duke of Olivares, who was a stunch pro-Austrian and made bold and even reckless moves for saving Austrian bacon, even despite the fact that Spain had nothing to win and a lot to lose in this conflict. His actions also made harsher the economic crisis that Spain was starting to suffer.
Everytime I'm watching the strategic battle animations and listen to the numbers of soldiers and/or casualties, I'm equally fascinated and terrified. One can only imagine what horrible times those wars meant for the people. Not only the soldiers dying but also the devastation of all those villages and towns, plus whenever an army is raised their provisions need to come from somewhere... foraging party means nothing else but taking the food from civilians. I suppose it was hard to live and very easy to die back then.
@Вхламинго Vauban it depends with who you compare it. Napoleon was himself an admirer of him at a point he transported his heart at Les invalides Mausoleum and is today burried nearby him. :)
@Вхламинго Nah Davout, Lannes and a young Masséna may be but Turenne was better than the other Marshals. Vauban was a military engineer... one of the greatest of all time, so not a proper "general".
Peter Melander is a really interesting story. Lots of talk of turenne vs montecucolli but this guy was really good as well. He was the son of a poor farmer, who managed to grt into the service of maurice of nassau through his uncle, changing his last name from eppelmann to the greek melander. He would serve with venice, the swiss, palatinate, and others, fighting in the uskok,mantuan, and vertliner wars. During the early years of the war he was supreme commander of the Hessian military securing a stunning victory over the imperial army at oldendorf, he would leave Hessian service after political disagreements with the landgraves widow amelia elizabeth. He, again originally a poor farmer, would be appointed supreme commander of the imperial military later in the war. He did a lot of great domestic work keeping the imperials together politically till he took command after gallas' death. His reformation of the imperial army after the death of gallas possibly saved the imperial cause and restored new life and morale into the imperial army. He would prove in this campaign as well a match for the likes of turenne and wrangel. Really interesting story
@@Gamleman Sure he eventually lost but so did Hannibal, doesn't make either of them worse/bad generals, and he conducted the campaign pretty well.The fate of death is one unfortunately met by many during this war, both high and low ranked. Melander died bravely trying to get his troops to safety, considering the horrors of war, that death is better than most you're likely to get
I'm not denying that he was a good commander, but I would certainly not compare him to Hannibal. Also he did loose a few battles fighting for both sides in the war, not just that last one..
@@Gamleman He didn't lose many, atleast from what I know of. And of course he is not equal to Hannibal, I was merely making a point that a defeat doesn't make a general a bad commander, sometimes the other side has a good day so to speak. Melander was very good, but Hannibal is one of the best, possibly the best general of all time.
@@AKeane-pi2kw He lost a couple of battles that I know of when he fought for Sweden's ally Hessen-Kassel and when he fought for the other side, there is that last battle. Also he didn't manage to repel Wrangel at the siege of Eger, before he returned later on with reinforcements from the Bavarian's under Gronsfeld.
I really enjoyed this video. I guess this channel had to skip some of the more minor battles in order to get to this one. Can't wait for the last video on this awesome series. I also really want to see the next video on the Imjin war. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
what i really find amazing is that the austrian held empire was able to survive for such a long time when they always lost any battle of importance i ever read about. its really incredible
I had been waiting for a episode of this for days,now when is the next napoleonic wars video coming?? and thanks for the video and congratulations on 1.44m subs :) And bye bye to thorstensen i think how it is spelled.
Since I am Swedish I root for the French our brothers in arms, but I very much so like the Austrians and Germans as well. We are all European brethren and let there be no more brothers' wars.
European countries have been at war with each other non stop for thousands of years. It's quite unrealistic to call each other brother nations. We are more like brutal rivals or mortal enemies.
I can understand why high school kids hate the Thirty Years War in their history classes. So many alliances, factions, generals and battles it's tough to keep them all straight
Protestants: **Is about to Besiege Vienna** Ottoman Empire: **Declares war on Venice Inadvertently helping the Habsburgs** The Habsburgs: What can i say except You're Welcome?
At some point, I feel like they should've asked: Is leaving a garrison even worth it anymore? Not a single one seemed to be very effective or even slow down the armies much. It's more just detaching a small number of troops so the enemy can't just waltz in unopposed but after doing that 80 times, that's a lot of guys...
If 1 year ago somebody asked me to give a brief summary of the 30 yrs war i would have a blank face but thanx to kings and generals now i am pretty knowledgeable about this awesome war
I have to admit for the first time ever watching these videos there's legitimately too much going on for me to effectively keep up. Idk if it's because the map is zoomed out so much or because I don't recognize this periods central armies and leaders but I found it very difficult to keep up in a way I never have in your other videos.
I don't know about other countries, but protestant Bohemia (That moreless started this war) lost 1/3 of its population to Swedes, who also stole countless priceless art pieces and artefacts (like Codex Gigas), but I suppose every country lost a lot because of this war.
@@KingsandGenerals That's Wikipedia, it's likely that the contributor made the same mistake. * On second thought, it's not a mistake in that sentence. In that example, it's "forcing the/their *passage* ." However, that's not the same case here. A ford is a shallow part of a river that's good enough to be crossed, so, it is in that context we got this worked into a verb. Forcing really has no basis in this context, it can't make any sense here. I mean, you can force your way through the shallow part of the river, but "forcing a river" just sounds off. Cheers.
Friend of the show historian Zachary Twamley just released a book on the 30 Years' War and it is highly recommend if you want to dive deep into the events: www.amazon.ca/God-Devil-History-Thirty-Years/dp/1945430095/
"And then the Ottoman sultan basically saved the Habsburg monarchy" sounds unbelievable, and yet... Thing is, unlike other channels, we don't use clickbait titles - we only rely on our dear viewers to share the videos as much as possible. Really tried to end the series on episode #9, but there were too many interesting events.
Previous videos in our series on the 30 Years' War: bit.ly/2ZEcxQD
I don't understand why did they helped them, wouldn't they be happy if Wienna fell? They should have attacked them too, instead of Crete :D
@@darkorodic638 my sources tell something along the lines of "the sultan didn't know how critical situation really was"
When is Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) coming?
Small mistake, there's only one "r" in Turenne tho
Thank you! I was waiting for it :)
Conde: *Gets ill and leaves*
Literally everyone in the French army: *Breathes a sigh of relief*
Well you're going to see him in the next Thirty Years' War video. ;)
Elan never stopped a cannonball.
Yeah, Condé was a brilliant commander, but he was far too aggressive. That's why Turenne was the superior commander out of the 2.
There are times when raw aggression and times when you want to deliberate.
Seems they breathed a heavier sigh of relief when Conde's activities bailed them out in Flanders
The French in camp: *discusses all types of tactics*
The French in battle: *arranges in baguette formation and smashes the charge button*
Yeah somehow they keep forgetting the croissant formation, smh
@@thestatistician6076wait i thought that was belgian?
@@ryanthan3595 no, waffles are belgian, croissant is french
@@thestatistician6076 true, but why use the croissant formaton when you've got the legendary white flag? Lol
@@ryanthan3595 lol, chance is you if you raise that flag you will get eaten like a baguette amyways.
I always keep in mind that all those movement and marching of troop is at the cost of pillaging and of ressources from the local. This makes the whole series
far more dramatic and painful
And if you ever wondered why anyone from Europe would have moved to the New World in the 1600s now you know why LOL.
@@syed1431 the common people who don't care about wars suffer in any war. There's no such thing as "noble" wars. There's always rape, pillaging and murder of any innocent civilians that even think of resisting said rape and pillaging. They've mentioned it in other videos but after a certain point it should go without saying that civilians are suffering throughout all of these events.
That's why the Thirty Year's war is the most deadliest of all wars before modern warfare came to surpass it.
Always makes me laugh when a general is referred to as a genius.Does that word really apply to someone whose business it is to slaughter and maim as many of the enemy as possible?Efficient?Yes.Genius? No.
Chris Morfill he’s still war genius. Sadly killing is apart of war.
If I'm not mistaken, Turenne and Condé fought against each others during the period known as "La Fronde" who was a rebellion from french regional parliament, especially the parisian ones, joined later by some great nobles, including Condé. This period was crucial to understand how Louis XIV see great nobles. It would be also interesting to see the direct confrontation between the two french generals.
Otherwise, great video as usual, very interesting.
They faced each other at the famous battle of the Dunes in 1658, during which Turennes finally bested Condé.
Turenne had joined the Fronde too at one point before coming to his senses. He then went against Conde.
@@Nasfelia Well not really, Conde wasn't in charge of the Spanish army and was only in charge f a small contingent, he nevertheless was the only general on the Spanish side to have any success and after the battle was lost he was the only one to withdraw in good order.
Turenne, the real MVP of the war in the end. Dude was beating literally every spam stack that Bavaria, Austria, and Spain was throwing at him.
Imagine being a citizen of Nördlingen and have to see your city getting taken every two years.
In every war but in this one especially it is important to not forget the immense human suffering that was going on parallel to the political game. It was truly horrible, which makes this series and everything about the 30 years war hard to watch honestly.
Though I am still enjoying it of course. Especially the middle parts. I feel like the beginning and the end are relatively well known but everything in between is not, so good job for highlighting that
Between the conflicts occurred in Europe, thirty years war is second in suffering and number of deaths only to ww1 and ww2.
It was also one of the primary motivators for when the framers of the constitution(USA) to avoid turning the new world into a Europe 2.0. More history ought to be taught, borders are drenched in the blood of our ancestors.
@@actionman4520 As any other place which gave rise to the great civilizations, really.
History is history. I don't find it hard to watch, though, at this point I am completely lost who is fighting who and why.
@@actionman4520 And China. And Roman Empire. And Southern America. And...
It's amazing how far and wide were Sweden's operations in Germany. Austria and Bohemia are pretty inland in the continent.
The Swedes had a very strong army.
They “live off the land” with their professional army so they don’t need much supply and war war weariness.
"As someone who did not appreciate Condé's frontal charges", i see what you did there :D
What's the joke about Condé's "dislike of frontal charges"...? 🤔
@@NobleKorhedron Condé is known for his frontal charges that cost lives with no result, Turenne has been known to being opposed to it, yet Condé because of his status as Prince de Sang had always the higher authority, so Turenne had no option but follow his orders when put under his commandz Condé's strategies prooved to be a failur and the only meaningful victory he would score in the future during the Fronde would be when he used his brain and instead of attacking head on chose to encircle the enemy, meanwhile Turenne, after Mergentheim would go almost undefeated until his death.
@@thestatistician6076 Didn't Condé overran Franche Comté (and Lorraine as well I think) in the War of Devolution and Franco-Dutch War in what are regarded as stellar campaigns?! Valenciennes (which I assume is what you're refering to) wasn't his last feat great military feat at all. But yeah... He was too aggressive a commander but hey that's expected as he was a cavalryman by nature. The last of his reckless yet bold endeavor was the Battle of Seneffe. France again suffered more casualties than needed in that battle as he kept attacking despite having already repulsed the allied invasion.
@@Itachi951000 he was a cavalryman and failed to use amything he learnt ablut cavalry strategies and attacked with his own infantry the enemy center in every battle, speaks a lot about his professionalism. But i don't think his swift advance during the franco-dutch war and the fronde was due to superior tactics, rather he had higher quality troops most of the time and was faster, that is why he could strike with brute force, i don't like his strategy to be honest, especially in western europe, where forests and rivers are a dominant feature in the north, and hills and ridges in the south, in france it worked because of the flat terrain and his knowledge of the region, but in württemberg and ( correct please me if i am wrong ) in catalonia it failed. Also against the tercios, it was not ideal, because it was similar to attacking a phalanx head on.
@@thestatistician6076You're supposed to use infantry against enemy center. Infantry was usually in the center while cavalry on the flanks. Did you expect him to attack the enemy centre, which was usually filled with infantry units, with his cavalry ? Speaks a lot about your professionalism. You're the clown that put Davout above Turenne. You clearly don't know anything about military history and particularly 17th century or Conde. Grande Conde is the man who won at Rocroi, Lens, Valenciennes, Seneffe and successfully campaigned in Franche - Comte, on the Rhine and in Flanders. He defeated Turenne, twice ! Then held his own against Montecuccoli in 1675. At the Battle of Seneffe in 1674 Conde had smaller army than the enemy. Despite numerical inferiority he was able to stop the invasion, inflict higher casualties and force Coalition forces to retreat.
Turrenne had something that many French generals lacked throughout the history - patience and cautiousness. (Aaand wasn't arrogant)
That depends on who you speak
paitiones... this one belongs on YGS
He was one of the better ones that's for sure.
We had Leclerc who basically was the French Patton.
The French are not arrogant , I am tired of this French bashing it is a cultural behavior , a trait , like an « habitus » but the basic French is very humble and hate useless things like big cars , luxury , he is not superficial limit communist and hate the rich ! Don’t you see our riots ? The French are not arrogant
Damn I didn't know that the Ottomans basically helped the Habsburgs
I think rather than attack Venice, Ottoman should attack Austria for took Northen Hungary from them. I not understand why Sultan Ibrahim did that mistake ??
@@034_yoppyilhamramadhan8 ottomans at that time were at worst state than u can imagine
@@034_yoppyilhamramadhan8 the sultan was a bit of fool literally (not joking ) due to his witness of the death of 4 of his brothers and his forced isolation also the janissaries by their numerous mutinies made it impossible
@@tqhung169 Indeed since Ahmed the empire was in decline
@@haythem7345 Yeah. That very stupid move from them (Ottoman). They declare war against Venice who was still strong enough in the Mediterranean Sea and have help from Knight Hospitaler just for take Crete and that war ended too long.
Thirty years War is probably the most brutal war in Europe before WWI. Even though it has an intriguing and fascinating plot, people are not very familiar with it in general. I really appreciate the video and hope for more about the topic.
FUN FACT : The Thirty Years War was actually fought from ,
23 May 1618 - 15 May 1648
(29 years, 11 months, 3 weeks, and 1 day)
The Second Thirty Years War was fought from July 28, 1914 to September 2, 1945. (31 years, 1 month, 5 days.)
@@MarkVrem were there continued fights in the 20s and 30s?
@@MarkVrem Not really
@@thommyneterv the 30 years war wasn't 30 year continues either as I am aware most of it was fought in the early part of the 30 year period in question when France wasn't even involved and then again later near the end of it. Somewhat akin to early 20th century wars. Plus there was plenty of fighting during the 20s and the 30s even if some of it was internally to see who got the chance to finish it lol. Spanish civil war was in the 30s. As one example. The polish Soviet Ukrainian Hungarian little wars. Italian aggression wars+plus turkey and Greece in the 20s. All these things slowly kept the fires just smoltering enough until it was time to settle the matter
Petition to change it's name to the 29 year, 11 month, 3 weeks, and 1 day war
This is one of those wars that even after watching all these vids, I'm still not even sure what they were really fighting for. Wonder if these soldiers felt the same.
People loved war games back then.
Soldiers were fighting for the territory and loot.
As for their generals, they served their countries, or rather their rulers.
And rulers were fighting for power, as usual.
They probably did question what they were fighting for, but they most likely (and wisely) didn't voice it or their opinions.
Empire - Try to maintain tight control of border provinces and defend core area from Swedish and French forces, Border provinces - acquire more local control, Swedish - extend military and economic power onto the mainland of Europe, France - reduce the power of the Empire which bordered it both in the east and the south(Spain) --- Though the Thirty Years war is called the last of the religious wars the true reasons were geopolitical and economic
@@ShadowSumac None of that except for generals would've been nearly as clear cut as it seems. What does that territory matter to you average solider. It's pointless land that the soldier more often then not would be worthless. As for loot, maybe if they were lucky but chances are they wouldn't keep it because they would die, and the probably wouldn't be able to transport it and use it in any meaningful way, so I imagine they would feel the war was pointless, especially as it dragged on. More likely then not most German soldiers probably lost their entire families, so the soldiers were sort of living miserable worthless lives as far as they were concerned.
Yes! Montecuccoli appears! He's one of my favorite 17th century commanders.
turrene is maybe the best general that France had at that time and also one of the best who participated in the 30 years war
@@appleratpipe oh snowflakes are mad
spymaster [k] George Floyd deserved it
Top 3 generals. Go
@@acosmicstoic9276 for the thirty years war, i would say
1) Torstensson
2) Turenne
3) Wallenstein
For France, i would say:
1) Napoleon
2) Davout
3)Turenne ( he ties with Lannes for me because had he lived he may have been another napoleon, but again we can judge only on what we have)
@@Honkey99 get the heck out of here, if you and your cult want attention or to start fights, it is not your place here, go back where you came from, this is a place for discussion about culture and history, things above your low level.
Another fascinating and very well-made episode from the K&G guys! Truly world class - thank you!
3:40 *Congratulations Ibrahim, you played yourself.*
Man i was looking for this comment lol
No joke 😅
@berg amin i mean he could simply tie down the venetians with constant naval raids while moving the bulk of the ottoman armies to support the offensive on vienna, even approaching the region would put venice proper under alarm of a possible siege and force it to not try and attack the ottoman agean holdings, in any case, the ottomans were never a naval dominant power so a land offensive against the empire was the most prudent course of action, yet there a reason why ibrahim did not want vienna to fall, if it was to fall, then the hungarians and transylvanians would have no neighbours to fight and would then turn against him, so he hoped that this way he would keep the empire weak and his vassals under check, and what do you know, it failed of course.
@@thestatistician6076 he is lunatic you know ??
@@helio7455 yeah he had been called lunatic by a good number of historians, what is known for sure is that he was paranoid and had an unusual fear of men and a tendency towards women
Aaaah, Turenne vs Montecuccoli. This will prove interesting in the future.
Yep, Louis XIV's wars are fascinating!
@@lysimaquetokmok6755 it is planned!
@@lysimaquetokmok6755 A lot of wars until then.
Don’t forget about War of Grand Allianc.And hope you will resume Ottoman and Napoleon series.
@@KingsandGenerals I hope the Nine Years will be covered too (and it's chronologically closer than the war of the Spanish Succession).
Man, this series has been going more than a year. I'll have to rewatch it all when the last episode comes out; which I'm super excited for 'cause I live in Prague:)
This channel didn't just surpass the history Channel, it surpassed everything the history Channel ever even dreamed of being. Best history War documentaries I've ever seen, no comparison.
When the Leeroys actually did something.
Usurpateur!!
Classic call back
About Marshal Turenne
Napoleon himself admired his military genius, and called him "the greatest commander of the modern era.
This is the first time that my hometown of Aschaffenburg is mentioned in a video like this. I was waiting for it the entire series as the Thirty Years War was the only time that my hometown was actually in the centre of a war effort for a short while.
Well, in the Peasant War we were in the focus for a short time too but that is seldom remembered and I doubt that even a lot of Germans know much about the Peasant War as it is only taught as a sidenote in highschool history lessons.
13:38: you mean that way back in 1646, a general realized that elan doesn’t stop cannonballs? Where was this guy in all the other wars of the period, and why did it take 300 years for the rest of the world to figure this out?
Turenne started his career in the 1620s, and didn't retire until the end of the Dutch War in 1675. He even fought Conde when the latter defected to Spain during the Fronde. France's most famous military march is "Monsieur Turenne" for a reason.
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Excellent work KAG, please cover the Cretan war when you find breathing room from the other conflicts of History .
Great video. I know more about the early war and initial Swede involvement in the wars so this episode taught me tons! Great content!
🥲 i had just got done watching your thirty years Playlist and now another video, well time yo rewatch the last one ag again 😌
Consider upscaling these awesome graphics to 4K, even if the footage of troops moving is in 1080p it'll still look better on TH-cam, but the extra clarity would help us read the names of the armies which are almost too small to read!
Awesome work!
Imagine dying for a place called Dinklesboob...
Well, I'd rather my family crying from laughter...
Man how many more years is this far gone to go on for? Probably a decade.
"it will be over by christmas", that one is always a classic
i think will go on for about 3 years
Amazing as always KnG! love this series 😀
I really like your use of maps to show the strategical situation. You also give good insight on the major strongholds on the frontiers or elsewhere - even the tiny ones like Amberg, Bavarias main base in the Upper Palatinate. Thumbs up to the attention on detail! Still, there are minor errors or "oversights" ;) Strasbourg was actually neutral and unoccupied, France had captured Thionville in 1643, the Bavarians retained Freiburg in 1644 and Trier was occupied by Spain from 1635 to late 1645 (Turenne captured it on his retreat). Also the Imperials still held Budweis and Pilsen in Bohemia following the Battle of Jankau. Pilsen even had a fascinating commander, born as "Jan van der Croon", after former Spanish service he was known as "Johann de la Corona". "Commander Corona" rose from a commoner and pikeman to regiment owner and later to general and baron. But those details are rather negligible given your awesome content :)
I hereby move to rename the Thirty Years’ War to the Thirty Years’ Wars. Between the Bohemian/Protestant revolt, the Danish intervention, the Swedish intervention, the French invasions, and now the Franco-Swedish alliance, I count at least four separate wars here that all just kind of...blend into each other. That’s not even including the Spanish, Dutch, and Transylvanians/Ottomans, who all had their fingers in the pot as well.
What a mess.
this serie on 30 years war is great!
Napoléon was a admiror of Turenne, we understand why.
Thank you for continuing my favorite series
I've watched this series three times and can't understand why so few people have watched it. It's a true masterpiece. People are weird.
Great work as always!! Thank you guys for continuing with this series. Can't wait for the next one.
early modern era ftw!
Right, right?
I have watched the whole series, not once, not twice, but 4x. Thirty years' war was always a mess for me, despite I like history. Thanks to your series, I finally understand it on a basic level so that I can speak about it to others and explain it to them. It always brings me joy to know something new and to understand it. Your videos are great in this. Easy to understand both on global political level and the battles. I really love the graphics, music and the voice, I see nothing to improve. If only young pupils could watch Kings and Generals during history lessons at schools, people would like and understand history much more. Greetings from Prague.
Thank you for still upload on this series 👍🏾👍🏾
Always love your 30 Years War publication. This one episode came with little action, but really can’t wait to see how the war ended!
Yeah, the next one is much more action packed
Kings and Generals couldn’t wait!
My favorite channel!! Love it!!
Hey. Love Your channel. Can You please give the track title and author in 4:20? In some videos there is a full information about music
I think Turenne is so interesting and want to learn more about him. Can anyone recommend somewhere I can read more about him?
@@bengerber735 thank you! :)
I mean these videos are amazing and for free as well I i... I can’t thank you so much for teaching us so much for nothing I will always be a fan of kings and generals.
Thank you :-)
MORE of LIFE Patreon is a great tool to help even a little bit.
Wow dude! 😍 Today afternoon itself I've completed watching all 8 previous episodes of this series and today is the same day a new 9th episode has been released!
Amazing series K&G! 👏👏👏
I was in a hurry to finish the episode so increased the playback speed to x1.5 and it just made me chuckle, every army darting across Germany while the narrator seems like he is struggling to keep up with what is happening.
I love that final piano track towards the end.
I was just watching Konigsmarck getting closer and closer to Prague at the end of the video and thinking,
"Konigsmarck lost! Stop him at Karluv must!"
STAND AND FIGHT
Another Great Video. Keep on with your success!
You uploaded on my bedtime lmao. I need to sleep so imma watch this video tomorrow. Hope it's great!
This conclusion is going to be awesome, so looking forward to it! Thx Fellas, brilliant work!
It's fun to learn more about a swedish commander as wrangel as I have been at his family castle at Skokloster (shoe monastery) castle and partly grew up in the area
Too nice video thanks..with clearly explaining
Thank you , K&G .
My favourite series of yours, can't wait for the final episode !
alot of work put into this, thank you
7:14 At this point, Spain was effectively ruled by the Count-Duke of Olivares, who was a stunch pro-Austrian and made bold and even reckless moves for saving Austrian bacon, even despite the fact that Spain had nothing to win and a lot to lose in this conflict. His actions also made harsher the economic crisis that Spain was starting to suffer.
The poor people stuck in the middle . "Who is in charge of the town this week? " "I do not know, but whoever it is they are burning everything again."
Human capacity for slaughtering each other for no reason whatsoever is truly mind - boggling.
Everytime I'm watching the strategic battle animations and listen to the numbers of soldiers and/or casualties, I'm equally fascinated and terrified. One can only imagine what horrible times those wars meant for the people. Not only the soldiers dying but also the devastation of all those villages and towns, plus whenever an army is raised their provisions need to come from somewhere... foraging party means nothing else but taking the food from civilians. I suppose it was hard to live and very easy to die back then.
This is why Marlborough's march in the Spanish Succession War was revolutionary: NO foraging.
Amazing work, well done thank you
Best channel of its kind great stuff as always. beats historymarch baz battles etc etc
Conde and Turenne (and a little later Vauban) seems kind of the foreshadow of the Marshall's of the French empire under Napoleon.
@Вхламинго Vauban it depends with who you compare it. Napoleon was himself an admirer of him at a point he transported his heart at Les invalides Mausoleum and is today burried nearby him. :)
@Вхламинго Nah Davout, Lannes and a young Masséna may be but Turenne was better than the other Marshals.
Vauban was a military engineer... one of the greatest of all time, so not a proper "general".
Yo I'm already hyped for the vid.
Your channel is very good
Very good documentary! Thank you!
Hey! I was stationed in Ansbach back in the early 2000s! Nice to see some of the places I visited and learned their history!
So much historical significance in this video, but honestly Dinkelsbuhl might be the most hilarious name for a town I've ever heard.
Peter Melander is a really interesting story. Lots of talk of turenne vs montecucolli but this guy was really good as well. He was the son of a poor farmer, who managed to grt into the service of maurice of nassau through his uncle, changing his last name from eppelmann to the greek melander. He would serve with venice, the swiss, palatinate, and others, fighting in the uskok,mantuan, and vertliner wars. During the early years of the war he was supreme commander of the Hessian military securing a stunning victory over the imperial army at oldendorf, he would leave Hessian service after political disagreements with the landgraves widow amelia elizabeth. He, again originally a poor farmer, would be appointed supreme commander of the imperial military later in the war. He did a lot of great domestic work keeping the imperials together politically till he took command after gallas' death. His reformation of the imperial army after the death of gallas possibly saved the imperial cause and restored new life and morale into the imperial army. He would prove in this campaign as well a match for the likes of turenne and wrangel. Really interesting story
Yes, but in the end he was defeated and killed by Wrangel/Turenne at Zusmarshausen.
@@Gamleman Sure he eventually lost but so did Hannibal, doesn't make either of them worse/bad generals, and he conducted the campaign pretty well.The fate of death is one unfortunately met by many during this war, both high and low ranked. Melander died bravely trying to get his troops to safety, considering the horrors of war, that death is better than most you're likely to get
I'm not denying that he was a good commander, but I would certainly not compare him to Hannibal. Also he did loose a few battles fighting for both sides in the war, not just that last one..
@@Gamleman He didn't lose many, atleast from what I know of. And of course he is not equal to Hannibal, I was merely making a point that a defeat doesn't make a general a bad commander, sometimes the other side has a good day so to speak. Melander was very good, but Hannibal is one of the best, possibly the best general of all time.
@@AKeane-pi2kw He lost a couple of battles that I know of when he fought for Sweden's ally Hessen-Kassel and when he fought for the other side, there is that last battle. Also he didn't manage to repel Wrangel at the siege of Eger, before he returned later on with reinforcements from the Bavarian's under Gronsfeld.
Really good video 👏👏👏
I really enjoyed this video. I guess this channel had to skip some of the more minor battles in order to get to this one. Can't wait for the last video on this awesome series. I also really want to see the next video on the Imjin war. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
please do more series and vids of this time period
what i really find amazing is that the austrian held empire was able to survive for such a long time when they always lost any battle of importance i ever read about. its really incredible
Austria was/is really bad in popularizing her victories.
I love this series. Keep up the good work.
8:14 -Was this the moment and reason when many castles in the Allgäu had been willingly set on fire? Like Eisenberg and Hohenfreyberg?
it's finally here. YES I couldn't wait
I had been waiting for a episode of this for days,now when is the next napoleonic wars video coming??
and thanks for the video and congratulations on 1.44m subs :)
And bye bye to thorstensen i think how it is spelled.
Thanks :-) After we are done with the 30 Years' War, we'll see where we decide to go next.
@@KingsandGenerals Ok i will be waiting
:)
@@KingsandGenerals Btw are your scenes of troops from empire total war 16th century mod??
if u want videos about napoleon u should look at epic history tv its a good channel
Since I am Swedish I root for the French our brothers in arms, but I very much so like the Austrians and Germans as well. We are all European brethren and let there be no more brothers' wars.
European countries have been at war with each other non stop for thousands of years. It's quite unrealistic to call each other brother nations. We are more like brutal rivals or mortal enemies.
@@pointlessupdate We certainly were that in the past but I think that today there is not much dismay among Europeans, we are fairly similar. :)
@@taggebagge NO. MAKE WAR NOT LOVE :)))))
Dont make your awful furniture and start to make your longships.
@@martig1000 Hell yeah, gonna ship some axewielding varangian guards on longboats to Constaninople and reclaim that city. Make Miklagaard great again.
I can understand why high school kids hate the Thirty Years War in their history classes. So many alliances, factions, generals and battles it's tough to keep them all straight
Protestants: **Is about to Besiege Vienna**
Ottoman Empire: **Declares war on Venice Inadvertently helping the
Habsburgs**
The Habsburgs: What can i say except You're Welcome?
Imma be honest, I finished this series so fast, and it's mainly because of Devin. He's just so perfectly suited to narration.
France: exists
Hapsburgs: finally a worth opponent our battle will be legendary
At some point, I feel like they should've asked: Is leaving a garrison even worth it anymore? Not a single one seemed to be very effective or even slow down the armies much. It's more just detaching a small number of troops so the enemy can't just waltz in unopposed but after doing that 80 times, that's a lot of guys...
If you don’t leave a garrison the cities population is not under your control
Turenne was a Genius :O
If 1 year ago somebody asked me to give a brief summary of the 30 yrs war i would have a blank face but thanx to kings and generals now i am pretty knowledgeable about this awesome war
Today is anniversary of the battle of Orsha, 1514. Is there any way you can do a video about that?
a vid about the ionian revolt would be nice.they are only few vids about it, but the event altered the history of the World.
I'm really digging this series, never knew much about the 30 years War.
I have to admit for the first time ever watching these videos there's legitimately too much going on for me to effectively keep up. Idk if it's because the map is zoomed out so much or because I don't recognize this periods central armies and leaders but I found it very difficult to keep up in a way I never have in your other videos.
More 17th Century history🎉🎉🎉
Thanks!
Whats the name of the ost that begins in 8:23
I don't know about other countries, but protestant Bohemia (That moreless started this war) lost 1/3 of its population to Swedes, who also stole countless priceless art pieces and artefacts (like Codex Gigas), but I suppose every country lost a lot because of this war.
Hi! What is the name of the background song at the end?
Please cover more Ancient Greece in future, thanks Kings 👍
A few in the works!
Kings and Generals Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou 😊👍
17:20 The phrase is; to *"ford"* a river, not force a river, force it to do what?
My illiteracy strikes again. Thanks for the heads up!
Apparently there are examples on my side: prntscr.com/ucppcv
@@KingsandGenerals That's Wikipedia, it's likely that the contributor made the same mistake.
* On second thought, it's not a mistake in that sentence. In that example, it's "forcing the/their *passage* ." However, that's not the same case here.
A ford is a shallow part of a river that's good enough to be crossed, so, it is in that context we got this worked into a verb. Forcing really has no basis in this context, it can't make any sense here. I mean, you can force your way through the shallow part of the river, but "forcing a river" just sounds off. Cheers.
I know that I have seen this in a bunch of places
thanks so much
Damn I wanted to hear more about Condé's Flanders campaign.