As a matter of identity and status, we humans tend to deny any type of criticism about what we own and what we do. So 991 owners, in general, deny they have any issues with their cars and affirm the 991 is the best 911 generation of all time. That's one of the reasons why this video is dearly valuable. As someone fortunate enough to have owned Carrera 4 S 997, 991, and 992.1 generations, I can frankly say that there was a noticeable cost-cutting from the 997 to the 991 generation. Many parts are cheaper in the 991. The steering wheel, however, is nicer than the previous one. They replaced many metal parts with plastic ones (fuel lid, for example). Also, in the 991 we don’t even have a proper compartment to lay our cellphones on. On the other hand, despite its new turbocharged engine, the performance of the 991 is astounding. It’s smoother and faster, yet not as organic as the 997. Visually it’s gorgeous. Perhaps the most good-looking generation of all time. I don’t know. In this regard both the 997 and the 991 are champions. Despite the cost-cutting from the 997 to the 991 generation, I would pick the latter any day of the week and twice on Sunday should I have to choose between it and the 992 generation. But this is a theme for another day. Cheers
A tip I've come across recently to help find vibrational rattles is to put a signal gen app on your iPhone and play it through the speakers. You can vary the frequency around the 40-90hz area to make all the loose items resonate and it simulates being on the road. Makes locating the rattles easier. Good luck.
The 997.2 was the last generation "All Porsche" build before VW came in to the picture and the 991 was forecast to be assembled w/ cheaper parts and not 100% Porsche. This is why the 997.2 is the gen to own, the last of the true 911.
Yes, well pointed out. As a matter of identity and status, we humans tend to deny any type of criticism about what we own and what we do. So 991 owners, in general, deny they have any issues with their cars and affirm the 991 is the best 911 generation of all time. As someone fortunate enough to have owned Carrera 4 S 997, 991, and 992.1 generations, I can frankly say that there was a noticeable cost-cutting from the 997 to the 991 generation. Many parts are cheaper in the 991. The steering wheel, however, is nicer than the previous one. They replaced many metal parts with plastic ones (fuel lid, for example). Also, in the 991 we don’t even have a proper compartment to lay our cellphones on. On the other hand, despite its new turbocharged engine, the performance of the 991 is astounding. It’s smoother and faster, yet not as organic as the 997. Visually it’s gorgeous. Perhaps the most good-looking generation of all time. I don’t know. In this regard both the 997 and the 991 are champions. Despite the cost-cutting from the 997 to the 991 generation, I would pick the latter any day of the week and twice on Sunday should I have to choose between it and the 992 generation. But this is a theme for another day. Cheers
I'm w/ Phil 996. My 996 Gen 1 Cabriolet w/ 57K miles on the clock has no vibrations or rattles or any driving problems. solid as a Rock !! It has been retro fitted w/ LN IMS. I'm good for another 100k.
This is surprising to hear. I have a '15 C4s with 45k miles on the clock and the reliability has been bullet proof. No rattles, no squeaks, no unexpected repairs. Routine maintenance as recommended at a Porsche garage and it has been amazingly reliable.
Hi Satch, vibrations/buzzing noise from the front with the stereo on is a common defect. It is however a very simple fix, no need to remove the door card. Where the door hinge attaches to the door, you will see a plastic cover, that simply clips off. This cover vibrates/buzzes against the metal door when the stereo is on (both sides). I removed the cover, then used some gaffer tape around the door hole, creating a type of gasket, then refit the cover... simples. I hope that helps! Your air-con issue is likely a condenser failure, a poor design Porsche managed to carry over from the 997! However, I'll can forgive my 991 pretty much anything, as soon as I mash the loud pedal... epic! Keep up the videos!
Can you please explain to me what I’m finding people and versions of the models overlapping on the 911 cars?? I really would like and answer.. 2012 997.2 AND 2012 991.1 like mine!! I’ve NEVER seen this before
My 997 rear speakers were really rattily when I had the music on. I took the grilles off and they are only held in with one screw each. This is by design and the other end is held in with plastic clips that are not very secure. I added 2 additional little screws to the frames and this completely got rid off all the rear rattle.
I just sold my c2s 991.1 on a 63 plate with 49300 miles to evans halshaw we buy your car for £55k paid 52500 2 years ago. Was a great car never a thing wrong in 2 years. Prices are going thru the roof at the moment. My 991.1 4 GTS is coming next week can’t wait.
My 1999 996 with 70K miles doesn’t have any rattles or vibrations………and the A/C is ice cold. Also the interior is in great condition and the original fried egg headlights are still working. But it does look a little dated🤪
Flip side, I had a 1999 996 with (when I bought it) 75,000km, and spent a LOT of money fixing it. Just all the pipes and stuff were fucked. Was a money sink. Current 2010 987 Cayman S though is flawless, had no problems with it.
I bought a mint 1998 996 in manual with 120,000km’s on it recently (in Australia) - and it’s amazing. No rattles (although the suspension is all new which helps) and everything works - electric sunroof, electric seats, the AC is ice-cold (better than my new Discovery) - it feels like a 1990’s time capsule! Get a well cared for example and the 996 will go forever.
I have a 991.1 4s 15 plate 20000 miles now , have owned for just over 1 year and it has cost me nothing in repairs and no problems great car and never want to sell it
Same - I have a 991.1 GTS with 24k on a 15 plate which I’ve now owned for a year…the thing feels like it’s been hewn’d from stone. Beautiful engineering. Had a 2008 997.1 C2S with 37k on it beforehand and that was solid too. I don’t drive them like Miss Daisy but I do take a lot of care with them, as did their previous owners. I think that also helps.
@@johnmike3426 Hi I have seen this with the central locking sometimes no noise and sometimes a small noise I have just ignored it I dont think it is a problem as the locking system is working ok. I still have my car now 9.5 years old with 26000 miles on the clock and the only repairs I have had to do is replace the alarm siren which went wrong and re gas the air conditioning all last year
I've a 2005 997.1 C2S with 89k, very minor creaks given age and mileage 👍. Enjoy the content and honesty 👍👌- we all love the brand but can't be blinded that they are not without fault. Just love em 😎😁
I own the same model with 21,500 miles. It's be well=maintained by me. Your car has been driven hard and put away wet, that's why it's rattling so badly.
Having owned a 987.2S for 8 years and almost zero repair bills. Just basics, brakes, tyres and service. £12k of repair bills in two years, puts me off ever changing cars… Although I do have a 911 turbo itch that needs scratching.
My 2013 991.1 with 44,000 miles has zero issues. Few simple rattles that were incredibly easy to handle with felt tape. Personally, I’d rather have the age issues and the last of the NA cars versus giant screens and smaller displacement turbo engines - mostly for the longevity of the car.
I’ve owned 11 Porsches over a 30 plus year period. Until now (991 S cab) reliability was not an issue. This car has been awful. Trading in for a Lexus LC 500! Porsche won’t release info on how to repair these cars, forcing you to take it to the dealer. Not happening. It’s been a great journey but I’m done!
@@stanmlekodaj2562 that’s tough but my 2007 Turbo was a beast. 6 SPD manual with a tune and FVD Brambacher exhaust. My fav might be be the 2006 Carrera S 6 spd manual with coil-overs and Tubi Style Exhaust. Tracked that 1 at Road Atlanta. Great car but I did trade it for my R8 Spyder 6 spd gated manual!!!!
@@jmarkr100 Appreciate the input. I'm starting to look for maybe my first 911, or maybe another reliable non-exotic sports car, but mostly for street use only, nothing crazy but manual only. I don't want a collectors piece or something to just look at and I don't want to deal with the frinnicks of the italian or british cars which seem like they constantly need expensive repairs.
Perhaps some of these things are regional/weather issues... my 2013 991 has zero issues, not rattles or creaks. I have several friends same situation. I am in Australia and its mainly used as a weekender.
I have a 991.1 (2014, nearly 8 yrs old), I have NONE of the issues mentionned here. Also took it on Silverstone, flat out all day, amazingly stable, absolutely no issue or even tiny vibration anywhere. Feels like it just rolled off the production line. I am not sure what the history of the car in the video is, but I would not touch that.
Wow! That's a worrying amount of issues considering it's only done 50k. I can only imagine its a previously abused, or on the opposite end of the scale, money no object owner had it. Always thought the 997 was a better built motor 😉
Mine started having a bunch of these issues at 20k miles and 5 years old: vibrations/rattles, wing mirror snapped itself, AC blew cold and never hot (opposite problem), a bunch of the VW valves broke and kept breaking resulting in all sorts, the full coils and harness went. I still loved it and nothing annoyed me more than the radio starting when you turn the car on 😂
Agree - cant see point of video. Each car is going to have its own set of issues, this just feels like you are venting your frustration at buying the car in the first place.
Just drove a buddies 991.1 GTS cabriolet and absolutely ZERO rattling or other issues and 50k miles-even with the top up. Surprising to learn of all these issues with this car.
known problems since this car came out. For example: clutch line - leaks brake fluid and has to be replaced $1000 (at dealer), A/C lines leak - repaired under warranty, rear lid/front frunk support struts - replaced 2x and hardly used! The list can go on. Porsche refuses to honor past the 4 year warranty on these items, they just fix the part and change the part number (struts for example) and charge incredible $$$.
I never heard of bore score issues on 991 Mk1 engines,so I'm asking for anyone to substantiate or point out some remarks about it. Turbo engines are immune as far as I know both on 997 and on 991 Mk2 however I'm focused on the natural aspirated variants. It really is surprising how at Porsche they seemingly could live for years with such a flaw on 997 Mk1,being the issue still there on Mk2 series albeit at lower extent.Hopefully 991 Mk1 doesn't suffer from such a pretty embarrassing weakness in engineering,but I'd like to get some infos though. Thanks in advance.
This missed the 928. the 911 is the poor man's 928. the 928 won "Car" of the year - no other sports car has ever won "Car" of the year. the 928 has two production car land speed records(1986 and 2020). the 928 is the biggest bang for the buck in exotic cars as well as the entire Porsche line up.
Satch. Another informative vid. You need a course in used car selling 😂. That’s a lot of brutal honesty, it has a lot of annoying rattles, body imperfections and £12k of work. A/C was pooched, cosmetic issue with the wheels … but other than that, perfect. Targa looks good tho. Keep up the great work. I’ve been searching for a 987.2 or 991 with the right combination of fit out, mileage and price. Prices have really spiked during COVID period, so this has been a challenge. The search continues 🙏
I had to wait until the car was sold until I published the video, it wasn’t fair on the dealer that I gave it to. But I’d already made the intro etc 👌 cheers.
He did say he was going to fix all that annoying squeeking and rattling and charge up the air con before selling it on. Hopefully he is a man of his word. My 20 year old mercedes has not a single rattle or squeek!
Regarding the rattling - have you tried going into sound settings and selecting the surround sound option at the bottom? Really distributes the sounds better
Honestly def do consider one. I'd def reccomend a test drive atleast. For me its the best car for uk roads. My 981, has been pretty much fault free during my 3.5 yrs of ownership. So reliabily wise its been pretty much perfect. Drive wise, its an occasion everytime i get in it to drive. And the feeling never wears off. Def consider one. Prices, as you prob know have been going up of used cars but i still think their worth their money. Spec wise, unless your thinking of resale ease/values etc then a few extras such as sports exhaust, sports chrono, maybe bose is desirable otherwise a base is def good enough for uk roads.
I have 911 turbo and after 20 years I think one of the speakers maybe doesn’t sound as good as it’s first day. But everything else is like the first day. I am going to return it. How dare for Porshe to do that me.
It sounds as though you have one of the very earliest 991 cars off the production line (which were known to have more teething issues) or your car was manufactured on a Friday afternoon. Never had any of those issues on my 60k mile, mid 2012 991 S. My car has been pretty solid, only suffering from the typical issues most 911s suffer from (disintegrated rear exhaust bolts etc) although my Carrera S cup wheels are starting to corrode slightly. 🙁
I luv the Porsche I have a 2013 911, but Gee wees , Lost of issues for a very expensive car ! I see why everyone is buying a Corvette!!! Waiting for the New c8 Z06
My advice, stay away from the C8 for a few years. A lot of them are being returned for all sorts of issues. Beautiful cars just not fully sorted yet. I’ve an 05 that has been bullet proof over the years. The new ones have too much going on.
Those rattles you pointed at are from the speakers. You blew your speakers. That's not a Porsche fault. Also, how can you have to replace a muffler PSE? Makes no sense. Seems like you didn't do a quality pre purchase inspection, probably got a deal, but are playing a bit extra to fix things now. The good news is that new speakers will sound way better and eliminate the rattles.
Excellent detailed presentation. I'll use it as a tool to argue against any OPC that acuses me of being picky! I have been using the Meguiar's Ultimate Compound for years and would recommend it as well: it is effective and safe (difficult to over do it and damage the paint) but the best results can only be obtained by machine. I am mechanically minded (in case it explains anything) and over 100,000 miles plus from new I have had far less issues and far less spent
Hey thanks for the video, it would be helpful if you if you put the mileage spread in the video. It helps form a better conclusion for purchase to know if you put 10 k or 50 k miles on it, as far as what is contributing to these miles. I know the title says 50 K, but was that in addition to miles when purchased or total. Thanks. I enjoy your videos and sorry if I missed this info in your video. Cheers
Satch, good video and very useful to show the work and prices paid as some people will be surprised at this.I paused it to have a closer look and i am not 100% sure the bill invoices are in order and I saw 2 entries for 2 sets of headlights. I am guessing these were the last owners as it looks like Porsche Reading and Guildford. Do you know why the headlights which I guess are PDLS as they have washer jets were replaced as you might expect a 50,000 mile car to have originals still fitted, if they were discoloured there are refurbishers that polish this out I believe for way way less than £1,800 plus labour to fit and code them to the car? Keep up the good work I like your honesty and telling it how it really is. Ignore the Trolls that poo poo you as covidiots are everywhere mate !
Nice job chap, Thanks. One point regarding some of the vibrations, the door cards, rear panels and 'C' post covers and maybe even the door mirror; there could be a possibility of a poor quality re assemble after a bare re spray? If your dent guy tells you that the rear interior panel HAS to come off, change your dentguy - all of DentWizards Techs' are properly trained. (and their co owns, amongst lots more, Meguires, great products) Still saving. One day ............
I have a 997.2 C4S Cab and havew no issues of any sort. Bought it with 35K miles, its at 41K miles now. Agree the interior is a bit dated but frankly the 991.1 you have has the newer electrical steering that is pretty bad. Also, the 991 PCM is dated as well. So for a really different modern car you need the 992, which does have the improved electrical steering.
I have 8 year old 4S one 35k miles - v few rattles - main niggle is washer jets - terrible & heated ones no longer available. Also had 2 cooling faults and a misfire all fixed under warranty fortunately . One weird one was brake pedal bushes binding in v hot weather due to expansion - also fixed under warranty. blindingly good car
Actually, this seems to be a very solid car. $12,000 over 10 years, and most of that seems to have been cosmetically elective, not mechanically necessary maintenance.
yea looking through that list, didnt really see anything from the really expensive components like the engine or pdk.. although i was a bit confused why there was 7k worth of work done on one of those invoices, dont think the paperwork shown told the entire story.
you guys in the uk get cars at extremely cheap prices. Im trying to fucking buy one of these, and for a good condition, decent spec, fair mileage, you not finding anything below 85000 fucking euro. Fuck porsche, total waste of ones time.
"german engineering", "built like a tank". ive had 2 911's and same thing, vibrate, leak, break down, super expensive to maintain. Just like every other car ! except toyota. such a cult following though. great to drive . classic. but be prepared to spend.
What is "super expensive"? If you get the Porsche extended warranty, it will probably be ca 60-70 Pounds a month. I am paying ca 50+ Pounds for a Boxster with Euro wide AA breakdown coverage, so estimate the 911 price from there, as it will be slightly more expensive. That is not "super expensive" for a 100K Pounds car. If you don't want the breakdown cover, it is obviously cheaper, but Porsche has a deal with the AA where they send out help who are specifically equipped to get Porsches going again and I think it is even cheaper than signing up with the AA independently. I once had a PDLS+ headlight replaced on warranty after hitting a deep flooding on a highway, that would have been 1300+ Pounds otherwise - basically what I pay for 2 years of warranty. The other warranty fix was some string that is part of the internal roof folding mechanism was dangling outside the side window, though seemingly the roof was still working. Nothing else broke in 6 years, no rattling, no rust, no wear and tear on the interior. A few very minor stone chips to the paint which I could fix myself, but not worried as most panels are non-rusting materials.
Ten year old car. It's allowed to have some issues. First world problems always seems heavier than they should be...until we read about people starving or being suppressed in other countries. Just drive the thing FFS. Ferry Porsche would expect nothing less. To hell with these silly little issues.
A 9 year old car. You'd think it would have better build quality for such an expensive car (when first bought). I know of 20 year old American cars that have no vibrations. :) Costing 1/7 the original asking price of a Cartera S.....even if this owner "abused" the Carrera S.....the fit/finish should be as expected.....though this is ONE copy....possibly this one car slipped past Porsche's QC not checked as closely as it should have been.... On the other hand....this video does hint that just because someone spends $150,000 it doesn't mean they are getting that much more car.....most of what we buy into is the marketing.....so what if a car can do 0 to 50 in 3.4 seconds....most 911's are driven like Corolla's on city streets in city/hwy traffic....in rush hours....by drivers with medicre "everyday driving skills" (few are competiive racing champions)..... Would have been great if you could have grabbed a 2023 Carrera S to compare...or a 2010, 2021.....
I all ways wanted a 944 but couldn't wait to get rid of it bucket of crap and only had 2 owners same family and 72k on clock in black horrible to drive lol don't do it lol
I'll be buying a 991 in a few months so just doing as much research as possible really. I'm torn between the 991.1 (NA) and 991.2 (Turbo) - I feel not only is the .1 better for driving because of the awesome sound, but it might hold value more as the last NA 911? My question is around engine reliability, if I own this car for a long period of time - will the NA or turbo engine be more reliable, suffer less breakdowns, be easier/cheaper to maintain/fix etc? Thanks in advance
That´s a good ownership review, it helped me a lot. By the way, how is the PDK after these years? I´m after a 991 but a bit afraid of automatic transmisions...
As a matter of identity and status, we humans tend to deny any type of criticism about what we own and what we do. So 991 owners, in general, deny they have any issues with their cars and affirm the 991 is the best 911 generation of all time.
That's one of the reasons why this video is dearly valuable.
As someone fortunate enough to have owned Carrera 4 S 997, 991, and 992.1 generations, I can frankly say that there was a noticeable cost-cutting from the 997 to the 991 generation.
Many parts are cheaper in the 991. The steering wheel, however, is nicer than the previous one.
They replaced many metal parts with plastic ones (fuel lid, for example). Also, in the 991 we don’t even have a proper compartment to lay our cellphones on.
On the other hand, despite its new turbocharged engine, the performance of the 991 is astounding. It’s smoother and faster, yet not as organic as the 997.
Visually it’s gorgeous. Perhaps the most good-looking generation of all time. I don’t know. In this regard both the 997 and the 991 are champions.
Despite the cost-cutting from the 997 to the 991 generation, I would pick the latter any day of the week and twice on Sunday should I have to choose between it and the 992 generation. But this is a theme for another day. Cheers
A tip I've come across recently to help find vibrational rattles is to put a signal gen app on your iPhone and play it through the speakers. You can vary the frequency around the 40-90hz area to make all the loose items resonate and it simulates being on the road. Makes locating the rattles easier. Good luck.
What?? Really ?
@@TheFreelanceCowboy Yes, I've done this as well. It works incredibly well. I used an app called "Sonic" for iPhone
Works a treat, exactly what you should do to find a rattle.
My 2012 991.1 Carrera S has 93,500km (58,100 miles) and it has ZERO issues, other than a pitted windshield from driving the car a lot.
Drive more = less problems?
Same deal here... 77K on mine and services like a Toyota. Not a single problem except for pitted windshild Lol!!!
The 997.2 was the last generation "All Porsche" build before VW came in to the picture and the 991 was forecast to be assembled w/ cheaper parts and not 100% Porsche. This is why the 997.2 is the gen to own, the last of the true 911.
Yes, well pointed out.
As a matter of identity and status, we humans tend to deny any type of criticism about what we own and what we do. So 991 owners, in general, deny they have any issues with their cars and affirm the 991 is the best 911 generation of all time.
As someone fortunate enough to have owned Carrera 4 S 997, 991, and 992.1 generations, I can frankly say that there was a noticeable cost-cutting from the 997 to the 991 generation.
Many parts are cheaper in the 991. The steering wheel, however, is nicer than the previous one.
They replaced many metal parts with plastic ones (fuel lid, for example).
Also, in the 991 we don’t even have a proper compartment to lay our cellphones on.
On the other hand, despite its new turbocharged engine, the performance of the 991 is astounding. It’s smoother and faster, yet not as organic as the 997.
Visually it’s gorgeous. Perhaps the most good-looking generation of all time. I don’t know. In this regard both the 997 and the 991 are champions.
Despite the cost-cutting from the 997 to the 991 generation, I would pick the latter any day of the week and twice on Sunday should I have to choose between it and the 992 generation. But this is a theme for another day.
Cheers
I'm w/ Phil 996. My 996 Gen 1 Cabriolet w/ 57K miles on the clock has no vibrations or rattles or any driving problems. solid as a Rock !! It has been retro fitted w/ LN IMS. I'm good for another 100k.
This is surprising to hear. I have a '15 C4s with 45k miles on the clock and the reliability has been bullet proof. No rattles, no squeaks, no unexpected repairs. Routine maintenance as recommended at a Porsche garage and it has been amazingly reliable.
Hi Satch, vibrations/buzzing noise from the front with the stereo on is a common defect. It is however a very simple fix, no need to remove the door card. Where the door hinge attaches to the door, you will see a plastic cover, that simply clips off. This cover vibrates/buzzes against the metal door when the stereo is on (both sides). I removed the cover, then used some gaffer tape around the door hole, creating a type of gasket, then refit the cover... simples. I hope that helps! Your air-con issue is likely a condenser failure, a poor design Porsche managed to carry over from the 997! However, I'll can forgive my 991 pretty much anything, as soon as I mash the loud pedal... epic! Keep up the videos!
Thanks Tony. Can never educate enough about 911 eh
Wow. I have a 2012 997.2, experiencing absolutely none of these rattling issues. It surprises me, didn’t expect this at all.
Can you please explain to me what I’m finding people and versions of the models overlapping on the 911 cars?? I really would like and answer.. 2012 997.2 AND 2012 991.1 like mine!! I’ve NEVER seen this before
@@TheFreelanceCowboyit’ll be a 2011 build 2012 registered.
My 997 rear speakers were really rattily when I had the music on. I took the grilles off and they are only held in with one screw each. This is by design and the other end is held in with plastic clips that are not very secure. I added 2 additional little screws to the frames and this completely got rid off all the rear rattle.
I just sold my c2s 991.1 on a 63 plate with 49300 miles to evans halshaw we buy your car for £55k paid 52500 2 years ago. Was a great car never a thing wrong in 2 years. Prices are going thru the roof at the moment. My 991.1 4 GTS is coming next week can’t wait.
My 1999 996 with 70K miles doesn’t have any rattles or vibrations………and the A/C is ice cold.
Also the interior is in great condition and the original fried egg headlights are still working.
But it does look a little dated🤪
Flip side, I had a 1999 996 with (when I bought it) 75,000km, and spent a LOT of money fixing it. Just all the pipes and stuff were fucked.
Was a money sink.
Current 2010 987 Cayman S though is flawless, had no problems with it.
I bought a mint 1998 996 in manual with 120,000km’s on it recently (in Australia) - and it’s amazing. No rattles (although the suspension is all new which helps) and everything works - electric sunroof, electric seats, the AC is ice-cold (better than my new Discovery) - it feels like a 1990’s time capsule! Get a well cared for example and the 996 will go forever.
Coming from long term 996.1 ownership to a 981 Cayman, I concur with Phil996 and this video!
I have a 991.1 4s 15 plate 20000 miles now , have owned for just over 1 year and it has cost me nothing in repairs and no problems great car and never want to sell it
Same - I have a 991.1 GTS with 24k on a 15 plate which I’ve now owned for a year…the thing feels like it’s been hewn’d from stone. Beautiful engineering. Had a 2008 997.1 C2S with 37k on it beforehand and that was solid too. I don’t drive them like Miss Daisy but I do take a lot of care with them, as did their previous owners. I think that also helps.
I’ve a 2015 C2S Cabrio and it too is solid. No issues so far. No rattles and is a dream to drive.
I have a 2013 991.1 c4s with 23k miles. My door open/close beep sound(Alarm) is not working. Do you know what happened?
@@johnmike3426 Hi I have seen this with the central locking sometimes no noise and sometimes a small noise I have just ignored it I dont think it is a problem as the locking system is working ok. I still have my car now 9.5 years old with 26000 miles on the clock and the only repairs I have had to do is replace the alarm siren which went wrong and re gas the air conditioning all last year
I've a 2005 997.1 C2S with 89k, very minor creaks given age and mileage 👍. Enjoy the content and honesty 👍👌- we all love the brand but can't be blinded that they are not without fault. Just love em 😎😁
I own the same model with 21,500 miles. It's be well=maintained by me. Your car has been driven hard and put away wet, that's why it's rattling so badly.
Friday afternoon build following a long lunch in a Stuttgart bierkeller.
991.1 c4s 2013 with 62k and no rattles but in last year have had to change two COVs and rads, deffo keeping a warranty on it but it's so worth it
His use of “vibrations” is what we would call “rattles”…..not a good thing.
Love it but I must add; after 20 years Ford focus ZX3 with 215000 miles still running strong with no rattles and full compression.
Having owned a 987.2S for 8 years and almost zero repair bills. Just basics, brakes, tyres and service.
£12k of repair bills in two years, puts me off ever changing cars…
Although I do have a 911 turbo itch that needs scratching.
I have 87 944 turbo and 928 gts w low miles since 1995 and there is not even one rattle or noise.
My '13 991.1 C2 has none of these issues. 37K miles.
Ditto...2013 c2s......one vibration that simply wet away.....and I do several track days a year!#Keeper @54K
My 2013 991.1 with 44,000 miles has zero issues. Few simple rattles that were incredibly easy to handle with felt tape. Personally, I’d rather have the age issues and the last of the NA cars versus giant screens and smaller displacement turbo engines - mostly for the longevity of the car.
That list of items replaced for a 9 year old car was pretty shocking!
9 years is pretty well used?
I’ve owned 11 Porsches over a 30 plus year period. Until now (991 S cab) reliability was not an issue. This car has been awful. Trading in for a Lexus LC 500! Porsche won’t release info on how to repair these cars, forcing you to take it to the dealer. Not happening. It’s been a great journey but I’m done!
How much cost for 718 boxster owning from 0 mileage to 100,000 mileage for repairs and maintenance?
Which ones were your favorites and most reliable?
@@stanmlekodaj2562 that’s tough but my 2007 Turbo was a beast. 6 SPD manual with a tune and FVD Brambacher exhaust. My fav might be be the 2006 Carrera S 6 spd manual with coil-overs and Tubi Style Exhaust. Tracked that 1 at Road Atlanta. Great car but I did trade it for my R8 Spyder 6 spd gated manual!!!!
@@jmarkr100 Appreciate the input. I'm starting to look for maybe my first 911, or maybe another reliable non-exotic sports car, but mostly for street use only, nothing crazy but manual only. I don't want a collectors piece or something to just look at and I don't want to deal with the frinnicks of the italian or british cars which seem like they constantly need expensive repairs.
Perhaps some of these things are regional/weather issues... my 2013 991 has zero issues, not rattles or creaks. I have several friends same situation. I am in Australia and its mainly used as a weekender.
The compound really works. Not cheap but 100% worth it.
No such issues with the left hand drive cars.
I have a 991.1 (2014, nearly 8 yrs old), I have NONE of the issues mentionned here. Also took it on Silverstone, flat out all day, amazingly stable, absolutely no issue or even tiny vibration anywhere. Feels like it just rolled off the production line. I am not sure what the history of the car in the video is, but I would not touch that.
Wow! That's a worrying amount of issues considering it's only done 50k. I can only imagine its a previously abused, or on the opposite end of the scale, money no object owner had it. Always thought the 997 was a better built motor 😉
Mine started having a bunch of these issues at 20k miles and 5 years old: vibrations/rattles, wing mirror snapped itself, AC blew cold and never hot (opposite problem), a bunch of the VW valves broke and kept breaking resulting in all sorts, the full coils and harness went. I still loved it and nothing annoyed me more than the radio starting when you turn the car on 😂
Overly honest for a car that is on the market for sale. Great looking vehicle!
I have a 2012.5 and have no rattles or vibrations.
Nice work. I have a new 992 4S on order and can’t wait 👍🏼🇬🇧
The Targa looks amazing !!!!
My roll bar has popped up.in my meecedes sl 350 I went over a hole in road......how can I get it back down
Misleading title... Didn't cover standard maintenance issues & expectations. Dents and dings? Really?? Lame.
The infos you haven’t seen are at 7:40, including service. Maybe your eyes are lame, huh?
Nice video… I’m pretty sure all 911 rear seats are in excellent condition since that’s the place to put your jacket .
Likely badly abused multiple owner car.
I don’t see the point of the video.
Someone buying a used car will test drive it and check the AC etc no?
I totally agree. Perplexed as to why these niggles weren't picked up on during the test drive. Quite extraordinary!
Agree - cant see point of video. Each car is going to have its own set of issues, this just feels like you are venting your frustration at buying the car in the first place.
@@frankpoole9227 here again Glenn. I’ll be making a note of these and passing them all onto the police again.
It’s probably the junk in the door pockets rattling.
Lol... Been there, done that :)
Just drove a buddies 991.1 GTS cabriolet and absolutely ZERO rattling or other issues and 50k miles-even with the top up. Surprising to learn of all these issues with this car.
known problems since this car came out. For example: clutch line - leaks brake fluid and has to be replaced $1000 (at dealer), A/C lines leak - repaired under warranty, rear lid/front frunk support struts - replaced 2x and hardly used! The list can go on. Porsche refuses to honor past the 4 year warranty on these items, they just fix the part and change the part number (struts for example) and charge incredible $$$.
997.2 all the way
Thanks for making the videos I bought a set of luxmats for my 991.1 featured in a previous video you made.
I never heard of bore score issues on 991 Mk1 engines,so I'm asking for anyone to substantiate or point out some remarks about it.
Turbo engines are immune as far as I know
both on 997 and on 991 Mk2 however I'm
focused on the natural aspirated variants.
It really is surprising how at Porsche they seemingly could live for years with such a flaw on 997 Mk1,being the issue still there on Mk2 series albeit at lower extent.Hopefully 991 Mk1 doesn't suffer from such a pretty embarrassing weakness in engineering,but I'd like to get some infos though. Thanks in advance.
This missed the 928. the 911 is the poor man's 928. the 928 won "Car" of the year - no other sports car has ever won "Car" of the year. the 928 has two production car land speed records(1986 and 2020). the 928 is the biggest bang for the buck in exotic cars as well as the entire Porsche line up.
Hope it’s not you air-condenser’s they go after ten years!!
Do a TH-cam on the door card removal because the 991 that one has issues with bonding on the top edge be cool to see how to fix that
Meanwhile in Finland, 2010+ year models start at 88k €, most of the 2011-2012 models average at 110-120k €. I cry.
Satch. Another informative vid. You need a course in used car selling 😂. That’s a lot of brutal honesty, it has a lot of annoying rattles, body imperfections and £12k of work. A/C was pooched, cosmetic issue with the wheels … but other than that, perfect. Targa looks good tho. Keep up the great work. I’ve been searching for a 987.2 or 991 with the right combination of fit out, mileage and price. Prices have really spiked during COVID period, so this has been a challenge. The search continues 🙏
I had to wait until the car was sold until I published the video, it wasn’t fair on the dealer that I gave it to. But I’d already made the intro etc 👌 cheers.
He did say he was going to fix all that annoying squeeking and rattling and charge up the air con before selling it on. Hopefully he is a man of his word.
My 20 year old mercedes has not a single rattle or squeek!
Regarding the rattling - have you tried going into sound settings and selecting the surround sound option at the bottom? Really distributes the sounds better
Do you still have the cayman satch? Not seen you do a video on it in ages and a cayman might be my next choice
Honestly def do consider one. I'd def reccomend a test drive atleast. For me its the best car for uk roads.
My 981, has been pretty much fault free during my 3.5 yrs of ownership. So reliabily wise its been pretty much perfect. Drive wise, its an occasion everytime i get in it to drive. And the feeling never wears off.
Def consider one. Prices, as you prob know have been going up of used cars but i still think their worth their money.
Spec wise, unless your thinking of resale ease/values etc then a few extras such as sports exhaust, sports chrono, maybe bose is desirable otherwise a base is def good enough for uk roads.
I sold it a few months ago mate. Considering a 981 cayman though.
Conclusion at 7:40
Good deal on the re-gas. I had mine done 4 or 5 years ago by an independent Porsche mechanic and was charged $300.
I have 911 turbo and after 20 years I think one of the speakers maybe doesn’t sound as good as it’s first day. But everything else is like the first day. I am going to return it. How dare for Porshe to do that me.
That side trim sticker is fire. What happen that the headlights and high pressure pump needed replacement? Did it break down on the road?
It sounds as though you have one of the very earliest 991 cars off the production line (which were known to have more teething issues) or your car was manufactured on a Friday afternoon. Never had any of those issues on my 60k mile, mid 2012 991 S. My car has been pretty solid, only suffering from the typical issues most 911s suffer from (disintegrated rear exhaust bolts etc) although my Carrera S cup wheels are starting to corrode slightly. 🙁
I luv the Porsche I have a 2013 911, but Gee wees , Lost of issues for a very expensive car ! I see why everyone is buying a Corvette!!! Waiting for the New c8 Z06
My advice, stay away from the C8 for a few years. A lot of them are being returned for all sorts of issues. Beautiful cars just not fully sorted yet. I’ve an 05 that has been bullet proof over the years. The new ones have too much going on.
Those rattles you pointed at are from the speakers. You blew your speakers. That's not a Porsche fault. Also, how can you have to replace a muffler PSE? Makes no sense. Seems like you didn't do a quality pre purchase inspection, probably got a deal, but are playing a bit extra to fix things now. The good news is that new speakers will sound way better and eliminate the rattles.
I saw one today wow
Looked amazing
Excellent detailed presentation. I'll use it as a tool to argue against any OPC that acuses me of being picky! I have been using the Meguiar's Ultimate Compound for years and would recommend it as well: it is effective and safe (difficult to over do it and damage the paint) but the best results can only be obtained by machine. I am mechanically minded (in case it explains anything) and over 100,000 miles plus from new I have had far less issues and far less spent
Issues must be specific to this actual car. I have a 911.1 C2S with 45k miles. A little rattle from the front but that's it.
If you’re concerned about vibrations coming from a sports car then get something luxurious. Especially a 10 year old car with 50k miles.
I paid 3.5k on maintenance of my c2s cab in the first 15 months of ownership
Thank you for the information.
I KNOW you shouldn't have to, BUT... there's something very pleasing in finding & fixing a rattle, but to repeat again YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO 👍
Hey thanks for the video, it would be helpful if you if you put the mileage spread in the video. It helps form a better conclusion for purchase to know if you put 10 k or 50 k miles on it, as far as what is contributing to these miles. I know the title says 50 K, but was that in addition to miles when purchased or total. Thanks. I enjoy your videos and sorry if I missed this info in your video. Cheers
Satch, good video and very useful to show the work and prices paid as some people will be surprised at this.I paused it to have a closer look and i am not 100% sure the bill invoices are in order and I saw 2 entries for 2 sets of headlights. I am guessing these were the last owners as it looks like Porsche Reading and Guildford. Do you know why the headlights which I guess are PDLS as they have washer jets were replaced as you might expect a 50,000 mile car to have originals still fitted, if they were discoloured there are refurbishers that polish this out I believe for way way less than £1,800 plus labour to fit and code them to the car?
Keep up the good work I like your honesty and telling it how it really is.
Ignore the Trolls that poo poo you as covidiots are everywhere mate !
Nice job chap, Thanks.
One point regarding some of the vibrations, the door cards, rear panels and 'C' post covers and maybe even the door mirror; there could be a possibility of a poor quality re assemble after a bare re spray?
If your dent guy tells you that the rear interior panel HAS to come off, change your dentguy - all of DentWizards Techs' are properly trained. (and their co owns, amongst lots more, Meguires, great products)
Still saving. One day ............
I have a 997.2 C4S Cab and havew no issues of any sort. Bought it with 35K miles, its at 41K miles now. Agree the interior is a bit dated but frankly the 991.1 you have has the newer electrical steering that is pretty bad. Also, the 991 PCM is dated as well. So for a really different modern car you need the 992, which does have the improved electrical steering.
Good advice.. thanks 👍
Some scary figures. I'm put off getting this car.
Hey, what floor mats are you using in this 991? Love the layered look and crest. Thanks!
Love them :-)
Turns out he mentioned it in another video. They're from www.luxmats.uk/
That's a big bill for a car that's advertised as bulletproof legend...
What's doesn't annoy you, mate!
I think I saw in another video that your car is lowered on springs right? Do you think this played any role in increasing the vibrations?
where are the floor mats from? i want to have it
AC should not lose gas, it must have a leak...no?
The 991 body style looks like a 718 Cayman,
Don't insult Cayman Owner's lol.
There are no engine problem or computer problem ? For your Porche
Thank you Sach. Another informative and helpful video.
I have 8 year old 4S one 35k miles - v few rattles - main niggle is washer jets - terrible & heated ones no longer available. Also had 2 cooling faults and a misfire all fixed under warranty fortunately . One weird one was brake pedal bushes binding in v hot weather due to expansion - also fixed under warranty.
blindingly good car
Actually, this seems to be a very solid car. $12,000 over 10 years, and most of that seems to have been cosmetically elective, not mechanically necessary maintenance.
yea looking through that list, didnt really see anything from the really expensive components like the engine or pdk.. although i was a bit confused why there was 7k worth of work done on one of those invoices, dont think the paperwork shown told the entire story.
How many previous owners has it had? Could it have just had a hard life?
All my life all I ever wanted is a Porsche 911. Still not got one. Lol
Could you really really try to stop saying really really. It distracts me, more so than the rattles, it really really does
Come on John just a bit petty
Could you stop writing, you're opinion isnt important to us...
Be nice John. There’s no need for this type of negativity
you guys in the uk get cars at extremely cheap prices. Im trying to fucking buy one of these, and for a good condition, decent spec, fair mileage, you not finding anything below 85000 fucking euro.
Fuck porsche, total waste of ones time.
Expects a perfect 10 year old car but uses Maguires.
"german engineering", "built like a tank". ive had 2 911's and same thing, vibrate, leak, break down, super expensive to maintain. Just like every other car ! except toyota. such a cult following though. great to drive . classic. but be prepared to spend.
What is "super expensive"? If you get the Porsche extended warranty, it will probably be ca 60-70 Pounds a month. I am paying ca 50+ Pounds for a Boxster with Euro wide AA breakdown coverage, so estimate the 911 price from there, as it will be slightly more expensive. That is not "super expensive" for a 100K Pounds car. If you don't want the breakdown cover, it is obviously cheaper, but Porsche has a deal with the AA where they send out help who are specifically equipped to get Porsches going again and I think it is even cheaper than signing up with the AA independently.
I once had a PDLS+ headlight replaced on warranty after hitting a deep flooding on a highway, that would have been 1300+ Pounds otherwise - basically what I pay for 2 years of warranty. The other warranty fix was some string that is part of the internal roof folding mechanism was dangling outside the side window, though seemingly the roof was still working. Nothing else broke in 6 years, no rattling, no rust, no wear and tear on the interior. A few very minor stone chips to the paint which I could fix myself, but not worried as most panels are non-rusting materials.
Ten year old car. It's allowed to have some issues. First world problems always seems heavier than they should be...until we read about people starving or being suppressed in other countries. Just drive the thing FFS. Ferry Porsche would expect nothing less. To hell with these silly little issues.
And this is one of the reasonsI sold mine. The quality control is really lacking at Porsche.
A 9 year old car. You'd think it would have better build quality for such an expensive car (when first bought). I know of 20 year old American cars that have no vibrations. :) Costing 1/7 the original asking price of a Cartera S.....even if this owner "abused" the Carrera S.....the fit/finish should be as expected.....though this is ONE copy....possibly this one car slipped past Porsche's QC not checked as closely as it should have been....
On the other hand....this video does hint that just because someone spends $150,000 it doesn't mean they are getting that much more car.....most of what we buy into is the marketing.....so what if a car can do 0 to 50 in 3.4 seconds....most 911's are driven like Corolla's on city streets in city/hwy traffic....in rush hours....by drivers with medicre "everyday driving skills" (few are competiive racing champions).....
Would have been great if you could have grabbed a 2023 Carrera S to compare...or a 2010, 2021.....
Awfully picky. If you want a new car go buy one😂
I all ways wanted a 944 but couldn't wait to get rid of it bucket of crap and only had 2 owners same family and 72k on clock in black horrible to drive lol don't do it lol
I'll be buying a 991 in a few months so just doing as much research as possible really. I'm torn between the 991.1 (NA) and 991.2 (Turbo) - I feel not only is the .1 better for driving because of the awesome sound, but it might hold value more as the last NA 911? My question is around engine reliability, if I own this car for a long period of time - will the NA or turbo engine be more reliable, suffer less breakdowns, be easier/cheaper to maintain/fix etc? Thanks in advance
common sense that NA is more reliable than a turbo charged car due to the turbos
That´s a good ownership review, it helped me a lot. By the way, how is the PDK after these years? I´m after a 991 but a bit afraid of automatic transmisions...
Why would you be afraid of an automatic transmission? PDK has proven to be virtually bulletproof, even with relentless launches from the Turbo models.
I know your post is old, but anyways, PDK is not an automatic transmission.
You may just need new motor mounts.
You should have bought a Mercedes. My 20 yo e320 has no rattles or squeeks.
Admittedly it's probably not near as fun to drive. Lol
911 looks nice but wouldn't buy one
Looked after car. How can u look after something to stop rattles. rubbish build qualitynfor a 80k car
Buy a new one mate……
Get over yourself. Glad you sold it so the car free of you!