One thing I hate and love about Elite Dangerous is the fact that there are so many secrets and easter eggs that require skills only a professional would have. I remember flying around with a CMDR who went to school to study ciphers glyphs and language. His friend was a software engineer who had this system to take in game data (visuals, audio, coding, etc) and would run it through different decoders like spectrograms. It’s amazing that they would hear a noise and one of them would call out “that pattern follows the usual patterns of X Y Z ciphers” and meanwhile I just head static. Then one of them would post images and they’d play around looking at every detail. We ended up at a dead end, but it was still so exciting knowing we were some of the first people to decode something and pull valuable information to help solve mysteries. I like it because it means that no one person could actually discover the secret, and the community relied on each other. I hate it because I don’t know if I’m at the end of the path (until it’s updated) or if there’s more in game we just haven’t figured out. It’s disheartening when you spend hours solving puzzles just to end up at a dead end that only opens up with an update. I did spend time researching Greek Gods and Goddesses, and I currently default to a station Momus Reach. I don’t remember why but I have reason to believe that port has something to do with Salvation and HIP 22460. Since I don’t know if I’m at a dead end, I feel like hunting everything down is pointless if it’s something I can’t access yet. For this reason I wish we had more secrets that were completely in game, and held back by only deciphering and not held by time walls. Just make the ciphers so complex that it takes time to process and interpret.
Another mystery for me is, whenever I visit Engineering Bases I hear creepy sounds. I swear they hold Thargoids captive in their underground Facilities!
They canonically have reverse engineered Thargoids and have held them for science. Check out the INRA bases. It's a short tour takes about an hour or two to visit them all and gather the logs. More recently it's been more obvious since we've been doing CGs to provide engineers parts and pieces from titans to make new modules. Heck the newest FSD in the game is a direct result of reverse engineered thargoid tech.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM So was the FSD that we've been using... The alliance gave the materials they found in the coalsack to Sirius Corporation, and that was used to design the original FSD.
Seeing a lot of names from players I used to work with about a lot of these mysteries... bringing back a lot of good memories from when I used to play Elite none stop, waiting college to be over so I can come home and find out what's new...
As a returning player after 5 almost 6yrs I can confidently say to be prepared to be surprised. So much has changed but also so much has stayed the same. I know that doesn't help at all but I don't want to spoil anything for you. Good luck and hope to see you in game some day. P.S. you have a really good name there sire. Take care
Ikr, I played some fair amount of time in elite, never did such deep digging of the mysteries of the game but just looking at the number of star systems you can tell that, if the devs of elite don't give some easy clue on raxxla, it's very possible that nobody is going to find it ever
It's not in the game. I've played this game for 10 years and that community has uncovered incredible things frontier never intended they do so quickly. Someone would have found it by now or data mined it. All the references of it being in the game are unconfirmed hearsay that people keep stating as fact.
in the video, you state that "the signal seems to be client-side". Interesting...given that you also say that "I have yet to hear an Imperial station emit the signal - at all". What might be a reason that Imperial stations don't send to YOU in particular? What's your standing with the Imperials...or their enemies?
Elite is under appreciated by non-veterans or those who have passed over the game for just how unimaginably complex and well detailed the game is. Although I personally go though cycles of playing the game it still have a unique place in my heart.
What is really crazy about this massive mystery falls under a few things... 1. Frontier has never confirmed or denied DIRECTLY that Raxxla exists or doesn't exist. 2. Drew Wagar (author of some pre-Elite Dangerous stories) has said that he spoke to David Braben and Braben said that "it is real and we know where it is". Referring to Frontier itself for the "we" part. 3. A former producer of Elite Dangerous has also allegedly said that it is real, but no clues will ever be given. However, there would be a few tiny nudges in the right direction. All of these factors are not on record. No video or audio interviews saying anything about Raxxla. There was a rumor that went around saying a CMDR actually passed through the system that it's in on a route to somewhere. But that is also not confirmed. We have no idea if this is truly real or not. But considering Frontier's silence, and the fact that they have never said anything about it to stop players chasing something that isn't real. Our witch hunt might not be such a witch hunt after all. There is nothing to go off of, the only real somewhat substantiated proof we have is that it might be in The Bubble. Raxxla was discovered by someone in Elite's history before the invention of FSD's, meaning that it's not super far from the starting point for all CMDR's. But that is also a guess, like everything else related to this elusive place.
Wonderful analysis and investigation. I would present one other possibility for why the signal only plays from Federation and Alliance stations. The Empire is isolationist, yes, but Cmdr. Salome already exposed a Federation-Alliance plot to develop deep space outposts and catalogue the best combat pilots in the event of... what? Presumably, they already knew of an imminent Thargoid invasion, but it's not perfectly clear. Alternatively, they could have been preparing for war with the Empire. It's not impossible, in fact its probable, that they would do it again.
People expect Raxxla to be some groundbreaking discovery in terms of Elite lore and gameplay. I dont believe it is, and I dont believe we will find it. Maybe in the future, they will design content around it - but there is just absolutely no way that a game with severe content-droughts and player retention issues like Elite would just let content be undiscovered for 7 YEARS without saying anything. They say "its in the game", and it probably is - but on a technicality. The planet its supposed to be probably exists, but theres likely no identifiable way to discern it to be Raxxla, or its not accessable (in a permit-locked system - which would be pretty cheap if you say "its in the game right now"). The reason I believe that, is because Raxxla has a max defined range from Sol, and players have been to pretty much every fitting planet within that range at this point, and nothing has been found. Its either in one of the permit-locked systems, or its some random POI on a planet that nobody has found yet because it doesnt show up on the UI. Thats the only things I can think of for reasons why it hasnt been found, if it indeed is in the game right now, as they have said.
Personally I believe it's in a permit locked system. I don't wanna sound all conspiracy or anything but that Raxxla emblem looks a LOT like the back of the space station. Maybe the permit will drop once that code has been deciphered?
The problem is, they've never said it's in the game. It's hearsay from a "friend of a friend heard it in a bar at an event" type of situation. It's all nonsense that's been passed along. With all the crazy people finding guardian sites from star positioning on a trailer, it would have been found already. It's not in the game.
@@underleft not only have FDev confirmed it's in the game, but that at least one CMDR has visited the system it's in and not noticed it (which I just learned, so I now know it's not a permit locked system)
its not technically difficult to make random letters in spectrogram without a loop you can have a set of audio tracks with one letter in each one and select randomly (or not so randomly) which one will be playing next
theres a 3d wavetable plugin inside FL studio, if you wanted to see potential hidden signals behind symbols. but i wouldnt know how to approach getting the sound from the game to talk to FL
My instincts tell me that the tools to discover its location are built into the game and it should be discoverable within the game, but as a long time player and seeing the games reliance on 3rd party tools makes me think it might just be that, something we have to discover outside of the game.
Great video CMDR. I have not come across a station or outpost I could not find this signal however I do not look all the time. It has also been found in Colonia stations. If you go to a station where there is no antenna, move back to the point in which the end of the antenna would be and you should find the signal ;) Happy hunting
Unfortunately as far as the cipher goes. No start, no stop, no delimiters. Statistically the distribution of characters is pretty close to even. So far no variation in the signal format has been reported. It's either there or it's not. It's generated locally and the data miners haven't pulled anything. To all appearances it's a Random number generator. If it's not just random then it's a really good rolling cipher and there needs to be some secondary clue somewhere in an Alliance, Independent or Federation controlled station or outpost. It's likely not tied to the stations themselves as if the Imps take over the signals stop.
For anyone who wants to look into this. It's audible through the external camera so you record as much data as you want from the landing pad by flying the camera over to the end of the cylinder. That's how people are getting longer recordings without being blown up for loitering in the station.
Are any of the signals located in the guardian systems? I happened to revisit the guardian systems so I'm over by there now. I never noticed this signal but I'm going to have to check it out.
Raxxla is not there. Doesn't exist. It's a scam. When Frontier : Elite 2 launched, Braben claimed for years there was a way to get a thargoid ship if you travelled to the edge of the Galaxy, but no such content existed in the game and he later admitted it was a deliberate lie to keep people playing.
Exactly. Nothing is confirmed and people would have found it. People were finding guardian sites and deciphering them within days of the trailer launching just from star positions. And that was when you actually had to spot them visually, no signal sources. It was way before Fdev was ready for players to be finding them. If Raxxla existed, it would have been found. If there are embedded wave signal clues and things, it would have been put in a long time ago because nobody who really understands the cobra engine still works on ED. Nobody on the staff is creating mathematical spectrogram clues to Raxxla anymore. They're making ships to boost revenue and keep the lights on because the game industry is crashing. Raxxla is a pipe dream that never existed.
People said the same thing when they teased Thargoids in the game before they included them in an update, People were going on about they were fake and just to keep people playing the game.
I have clips, notes, crazy people kinda stuff. I have loved this mystery and all the reading I've done. I lost my group that I used to discuss these ideas with and would love to share thoughts. I will say that I found something, maybe nothing as is the mystery of Raxxla, but it was an interesting recording and station and I wonder if the signal is the same as the one you discuss.
This is fascinating! How do you get the signal! Just hang out at the back of the station and record the audio? Can you be elsewhere in the docking bay? Does it matter which way you're facing?
At the time of this first watch, the video is 4 months old so please forgive me if my suggestions are old news or are explained. Given that the signal is client-side could it not be possible to datamine the clean audio? Would that be against the spirit of the hunt? Also if it's certain factions and stations, you have to cross reference why 'tourist' 'service' 'private' and 'federation' matter. Maybe an unknown entity wants as many people to get and hear the signal as possible... Is it Imperials, thargoid, someone else?
it could be in the game but deliberately kept behind a permit locked system, in an attempt to keep players playing their game. I don't know just a thought.
I was watching another video about how you can get signals just by facing a system (v=W_wJ9H-jjMU). I wonder if the system you need to go to emits the same signal you're picking up, and it only exists on open play. That... Or it's not a system, but something IN the system, like a fleet carrier or colony ship.
Hi, there. I have an idea, I don't know if you will read this comment but has enyone run a spectogram of the waiting music? I am going to experiment on that an will come back if anything is found.
Find all the signals & overlay them one on top of the other (if possible). Some appear to be different colors that will mix & possibly display a message...
The secret is right under your nose. It has always been there. In the place where it all began. There is something that doesn't fit with the whole. Sometimes it emerges from within. A silent song of the spheres.
One thing I hate and love about Elite Dangerous is the fact that there are so many secrets and easter eggs that require skills only a professional would have. I remember flying around with a CMDR who went to school to study ciphers glyphs and language. His friend was a software engineer who had this system to take in game data (visuals, audio, coding, etc) and would run it through different decoders like spectrograms. It’s amazing that they would hear a noise and one of them would call out “that pattern follows the usual patterns of X Y Z ciphers” and meanwhile I just head static. Then one of them would post images and they’d play around looking at every detail.
We ended up at a dead end, but it was still so exciting knowing we were some of the first people to decode something and pull valuable information to help solve mysteries.
I like it because it means that no one person could actually discover the secret, and the community relied on each other. I hate it because I don’t know if I’m at the end of the path (until it’s updated) or if there’s more in game we just haven’t figured out. It’s disheartening when you spend hours solving puzzles just to end up at a dead end that only opens up with an update.
I did spend time researching Greek Gods and Goddesses, and I currently default to a station Momus Reach. I don’t remember why but I have reason to believe that port has something to do with Salvation and HIP 22460. Since I don’t know if I’m at a dead end, I feel like hunting everything down is pointless if it’s something I can’t access yet.
For this reason I wish we had more secrets that were completely in game, and held back by only deciphering and not held by time walls. Just make the ciphers so complex that it takes time to process and interpret.
And people like that is exactly why Raxxla would have been found if it was in the game, it's not.
@@underleft check out the Raxxla denier over here
Agreed. But that gives us an excuse to seek the community for answers, or learn the skills needed to solve the riddles
@@underleft Pretty big assumption... I honestly think you should include "I don't think it is", instead of falsely claiming it just isn't there.
This channel is going to blow up harder than my t9 when i miss the Mailslot
@@Staticsceptre thanks and I love that comment lol
underrated comment
And yet, it didn't.
@@underleft patience
Another mystery for me is, whenever I visit Engineering Bases I hear creepy sounds. I swear they hold Thargoids captive in their underground Facilities!
Elite's sound engineering is legendary. Honestly without it, the game would be so much more dull. Frontier struck gold with their sound team.
Yeah what if They're reverse engineering goids for tech
@@PDJazzHandsThat actually wouldn't be a first, salvation would capture and torture thargoids
They canonically have reverse engineered Thargoids and have held them for science. Check out the INRA bases. It's a short tour takes about an hour or two to visit them all and gather the logs.
More recently it's been more obvious since we've been doing CGs to provide engineers parts and pieces from titans to make new modules. Heck the newest FSD in the game is a direct result of reverse engineered thargoid tech.
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM So was the FSD that we've been using... The alliance gave the materials they found in the coalsack to Sirius Corporation, and that was used to design the original FSD.
Seeing a lot of names from players I used to work with about a lot of these mysteries... bringing back a lot of good memories from when I used to play Elite none stop, waiting college to be over so I can come home and find out what's new...
As a returning player after 5 almost 6yrs I can confidently say to be prepared to be surprised. So much has changed but also so much has stayed the same. I know that doesn't help at all but I don't want to spoil anything for you. Good luck and hope to see you in game some day. P.S. you have a really good name there sire. Take care
Best kept secret in a video game. Nobody found raxxla yet.
Or the people who know want it kept secret..
Ikr, I played some fair amount of time in elite, never did such deep digging of the mysteries of the game but just looking at the number of star systems you can tell that, if the devs of elite don't give some easy clue on raxxla, it's very possible that nobody is going to find it ever
Some of us have found more clues... But don't want groups like cannon to brute force it, so we don't share info.
@@OrderOfOmphalos lol imagine engaging with a community-wide mystery and insist that your group is the only one allowed to figure it out
It's not in the game. I've played this game for 10 years and that community has uncovered incredible things frontier never intended they do so quickly. Someone would have found it by now or data mined it. All the references of it being in the game are unconfirmed hearsay that people keep stating as fact.
in the video, you state that "the signal seems to be client-side".
Interesting...given that you also say that "I have yet to hear an Imperial station emit the signal - at all".
What might be a reason that Imperial stations don't send to YOU in particular?
What's your standing with the Imperials...or their enemies?
that’s a great question
The sound is client side, the parameter is baked into the server
Elite is under appreciated by non-veterans or those who have passed over the game for just how unimaginably complex and well detailed the game is. Although I personally go though cycles of playing the game it still have a unique place in my heart.
What is really crazy about this massive mystery falls under a few things...
1. Frontier has never confirmed or denied DIRECTLY that Raxxla exists or doesn't exist.
2. Drew Wagar (author of some pre-Elite Dangerous stories) has said that he spoke to David Braben and Braben said that "it is real and we know where it is". Referring to Frontier itself for the "we" part.
3. A former producer of Elite Dangerous has also allegedly said that it is real, but no clues will ever be given. However, there would be a few tiny nudges in the right direction.
All of these factors are not on record. No video or audio interviews saying anything about Raxxla. There was a rumor that went around saying a CMDR actually passed through the system that it's in on a route to somewhere. But that is also not confirmed. We have no idea if this is truly real or not. But considering Frontier's silence, and the fact that they have never said anything about it to stop players chasing something that isn't real. Our witch hunt might not be such a witch hunt after all.
There is nothing to go off of, the only real somewhat substantiated proof we have is that it might be in The Bubble. Raxxla was discovered by someone in Elite's history before the invention of FSD's, meaning that it's not super far from the starting point for all CMDR's. But that is also a guess, like everything else related to this elusive place.
Isnt raxxla literally in the codex?
False. Michael Brookes said it’s in the Milky Way on record.
Wonderful analysis and investigation. I would present one other possibility for why the signal only plays from Federation and Alliance stations. The Empire is isolationist, yes, but Cmdr. Salome already exposed a Federation-Alliance plot to develop deep space outposts and catalogue the best combat pilots in the event of... what? Presumably, they already knew of an imminent Thargoid invasion, but it's not perfectly clear. Alternatively, they could have been preparing for war with the Empire. It's not impossible, in fact its probable, that they would do it again.
People expect Raxxla to be some groundbreaking discovery in terms of Elite lore and gameplay. I dont believe it is, and I dont believe we will find it. Maybe in the future, they will design content around it - but there is just absolutely no way that a game with severe content-droughts and player retention issues like Elite would just let content be undiscovered for 7 YEARS without saying anything.
They say "its in the game", and it probably is - but on a technicality. The planet its supposed to be probably exists, but theres likely no identifiable way to discern it to be Raxxla, or its not accessable (in a permit-locked system - which would be pretty cheap if you say "its in the game right now").
The reason I believe that, is because Raxxla has a max defined range from Sol, and players have been to pretty much every fitting planet within that range at this point, and nothing has been found. Its either in one of the permit-locked systems, or its some random POI on a planet that nobody has found yet because it doesnt show up on the UI. Thats the only things I can think of for reasons why it hasnt been found, if it indeed is in the game right now, as they have said.
Personally I believe it's in a permit locked system. I don't wanna sound all conspiracy or anything but that Raxxla emblem looks a LOT like the back of the space station. Maybe the permit will drop once that code has been deciphered?
The problem is, they've never said it's in the game. It's hearsay from a "friend of a friend heard it in a bar at an event" type of situation. It's all nonsense that's been passed along. With all the crazy people finding guardian sites from star positioning on a trailer, it would have been found already. It's not in the game.
@@underleft not only have FDev confirmed it's in the game, but that at least one CMDR has visited the system it's in and not noticed it (which I just learned, so I now know it's not a permit locked system)
@@raxleigh3981 thats just a myth
@@thejumper7282 Is it? Where'd you hear that?
That's one thing that I've Loved about this game since I started playing. Every Star report seems to be a little different.
There is also Asteroid Stations to look at...
ah i forgot to mention in the video ive already checked a couple and havent heard it, but its possible
its not technically difficult to make random letters in spectrogram without a loop
you can have a set of audio tracks with one letter in each one and select randomly (or not so randomly) which one will be playing next
theres a 3d wavetable plugin inside FL studio, if you wanted to see potential hidden signals behind symbols. but i wouldnt know how to approach getting the sound from the game to talk to FL
what about an image/video feed?
My instincts tell me that the tools to discover its location are built into the game and it should be discoverable within the game, but as a long time player and seeing the games reliance on 3rd party tools makes me think it might just be that, something we have to discover outside of the game.
Great video CMDR. I have not come across a station or outpost I could not find this signal however I do not look all the time. It has also been found in Colonia stations. If you go to a station where there is no antenna, move back to the point in which the end of the antenna would be and you should find the signal ;) Happy hunting
Unfortunately as far as the cipher goes. No start, no stop, no delimiters. Statistically the distribution of characters is pretty close to even. So far no variation in the signal format has been reported. It's either there or it's not. It's generated locally and the data miners haven't pulled anything. To all appearances it's a Random number generator. If it's not just random then it's a really good rolling cipher and there needs to be some secondary clue somewhere in an Alliance, Independent or Federation controlled station or outpost. It's likely not tied to the stations themselves as if the Imps take over the signals stop.
For anyone who wants to look into this. It's audible through the external camera so you record as much data as you want from the landing pad by flying the camera over to the end of the cylinder. That's how people are getting longer recordings without being blown up for loitering in the station.
Are any of the signals located in the guardian systems? I happened to revisit the guardian systems so I'm over by there now. I never noticed this signal but I'm going to have to check it out.
It’s gonna be a hard one to find one day in 2024 over 10 years after release only 0.02% of the galaxy has been explored
Not sure where you got that exploration number. The official numbers from Fdev are higher.
@ I got it on eddiscovery
4:38 what makes you think it’s clientside? Has this been tested?
It has. It wasn't tested by me though. There was some research done a long time ago I was a part of.
Could be like Raxxla. Nothing really to find because it’s just part of what you personally experience.
Raxxla is not there. Doesn't exist. It's a scam.
When Frontier : Elite 2 launched, Braben claimed for years there was a way to get a thargoid ship if you travelled to the edge of the Galaxy, but no such content existed in the game and he later admitted it was a deliberate lie to keep people playing.
Exactly. Nothing is confirmed and people would have found it. People were finding guardian sites and deciphering them within days of the trailer launching just from star positions. And that was when you actually had to spot them visually, no signal sources. It was way before Fdev was ready for players to be finding them. If Raxxla existed, it would have been found. If there are embedded wave signal clues and things, it would have been put in a long time ago because nobody who really understands the cobra engine still works on ED. Nobody on the staff is creating mathematical spectrogram clues to Raxxla anymore. They're making ships to boost revenue and keep the lights on because the game industry is crashing.
Raxxla is a pipe dream that never existed.
People said the same thing when they teased Thargoids in the game before they included them in an update, People were going on about they were fake and just to keep people playing the game.
I have clips, notes, crazy people kinda stuff. I have loved this mystery and all the reading I've done. I lost my group that I used to discuss these ideas with and would love to share thoughts.
I will say that I found something, maybe nothing as is the mystery of Raxxla, but it was an interesting recording and station and I wonder if the signal is the same as the one you discuss.
This is fascinating! How do you get the signal! Just hang out at the back of the station and record the audio? Can you be elsewhere in the docking bay? Does it matter which way you're facing?
You can use the camera suite if you like, thats how I do it. Just float to the tip of an antenna, or where it would be if not present.
It's possible that the singles are linked to dark horse.
My signal on the Spectro-Gram said "Open Only" over and over again. Really weird.
Open play mode is required to find raxxla, confirmed
At the time of this first watch, the video is 4 months old so please forgive me if my suggestions are old news or are explained. Given that the signal is client-side could it not be possible to datamine the clean audio? Would that be against the spirit of the hunt? Also if it's certain factions and stations, you have to cross reference why 'tourist' 'service' 'private' and 'federation' matter. Maybe an unknown entity wants as many people to get and hear the signal as possible... Is it Imperials, thargoid, someone else?
it could be in the game but deliberately kept behind a permit locked system, in an attempt to keep players playing their game. I don't know just a thought.
The best guys that designed this game are from the sound team.
R. right
A. accension
X. 10 hrs
X 10 mins
L. 50 sec
A. Planet A.
Maybe, just an idea. Starting point is either Earth or lave .
What about Shinrarta Dezhra, the station there is the Jameson Memorial.
I was watching another video about how you can get signals just by facing a system (v=W_wJ9H-jjMU). I wonder if the system you need to go to emits the same signal you're picking up, and it only exists on open play.
That...
Or it's not a system, but something IN the system, like a fleet carrier or colony ship.
Hi, there. I have an idea, I don't know if you will read this comment but has enyone run a spectogram of the waiting music? I am going to experiment on that an will come back if anything is found.
I'm assuming nothing was found
@grixxy_666 it seems to be a clean copy of the "blue Danube". I've checked the audio and doesn't seem to contain anything visible
Find all the signals & overlay them one on top of the other (if possible). Some appear to be different colors that will mix & possibly display a message...
Damnit.
Interesting!
I have no idea what this is talking about. What "signal"?
first part of the video
Like the big political machinations in EVE, I do not have the time to participate in Elite's big mysteries, but I love following along!
The secret is right under your nose. It has always been there. In the place where it all began. There is something that doesn't fit with the whole. Sometimes it emerges from within. A silent song of the spheres.
Ayoooo
Indigoin... does it again
Intresting.
It's a Federal mind control gadget. Help Aisling free the federated slaves!
For the Princess!
I thought slavery was legal in the empire though? Isn't it?
why has no one fed any of this signal stuff into an AI? I feel like it would be better at decerning patterns and what not.
The antenna sound is just a manufactured sound, and is a dead end
would love to get into this game but it ain't nothing but a pay to play game so fuck that
... what?
Raxxla is game hoax. You all know it. ;D