Silent Angel Bonn B8 €395 audiophile switch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ธ.ค. 2019
- I have reviewed audiophile switches in the € 800 to € 1,000 price range and found them improving the sound quality clearly. Not so long ago Thunder Data introduces the Silent Angel Bonn N8 audiophile switch just under € 400….
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Thanks Hans, and Merry Christmas!
A honest straight delivery of information, appreciated, thank you Hans
Merry Christmas!
Can’t afford anything you review but love the show! Merry Xmas
Hans, thanks for your usual excellent review. If one uses powerline networking (ethernet over AC power lines), how much "dirtier" is the signal, and can it be cleaned up adequately with an audiophile switch?
I have no recent experiences using power line networking but I expect it will clearly improve the sound quality. BTW use the power line adaptor only directly plugged into the wall socked and not on an extension cord. Also try to avoid using the power line adaptor close to your stereo.
But if you use a software player like Volumio (on a streaming device), which first buffers part of the music before putting it through to a DAC, wouldn't that negate the business case for high end router all together?
If only. Watch th-cam.com/video/PQ9kYVMz51k/w-d-xo.html
To avoid all this I've put my music files on a class 10 USB stick, directly plugged into the volumio's Raspberry. And then async USB to the DAC. It works very well.
Hello Hans, thanks for all the reviews first! Did you also listened to the bonn with a botw or other lineair power supply? Any remarks on the difference in your system 1 or 2?
I always try linear PSU's and report on them if it's worth mentioning..
As always I like this review. Thanks for that. I am considering the Bonn switch. You mentioned better using the SMPS in stead of a LPS but Silent Angel recommends their Forester LPS. It has dual output so you can fire up your streamers at the same time with it. Have you been able to test the Bonn/Forester combo and if so do you recommend it or still prefer the stock wall warth? Thaks for your assistance.
I did not test the Bonn together with the Forrester so I can't advise you on that.
Hans, SOtM recommend using two (of their) switches to improve sound quality even further. Have you tried putting multiple audiophile switches in series??
No, sorry
Hans, both Silent Angel and SOTM promote rather expensive LPS's for their network switches. Yet in your review you indicated that you should use the medical grade switch mode and that LPS's supplies are not a good match for switches. Was that based on your overall experience with network switches? Did you try using a LPS with either the Bonn N8 or the SOTM switch to see if there was any improvement in performance? I should point out that I did buy the Bonn N8 based on your review. I'm using it with the Sonore opticalRendu and the opticalModule, both using LPS's. I'm just curious regarding the Bonn N8 and an upgraded power supply. As always thank you for your in depth reviews..
I would love an answer to this as well...
Here Hans Beekhuysen misses it all!
I tested the Lineair Power Supply Sbooster M2 newest and of Bonn 8's own lps: both do make the Bonn N8 a lot! better and the winner of these two was the Sbooster botw eco M2 (the newest).
I cannot always follow Hans by experience! 😞
And he didn't gave answers to my questions like yours.
Hi Hans, thanks for the review. Can you do any measurements to show differences?
Measurements can only proof faults and bad design, not sound quality.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel are you saying, that changes that Bonn N8 introduce cannot be measured, thus inaudible?
No.
Not with equipment I can afford. But if you can donate an Agilent E5052B or equivalent I might.
Thanks for another great video. I really appreciate how you get in to the circuitry of the devices you review, rather than just showing the exteriors.
Merry Christmas, Here’s to another great year!!!
N8 or as your title says… B8? Thanks Hans… love to know how it works since such feed is supposedly jitter free…
Hans, recently you recommended to me to add a Sonore Mucrorendu to my system which consist of a Roon Nucleus to a Mytek Brooklyn Dac +. I certainly appreciated the recomendation as there clearly was an improvement. I have a cat5 cable coming from my router going to a switch which then connects to both the Nucleus and the Mirorendu. Based on your review it appears I will get another improvement in terms of signal quailty. Do you agree? Thanks
Correct
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Follow-up, can you explain what the Sonore Microrendu does that a high quality network switch (such as the Silent Angel N8) doesn't do?
Keep the clean signal coming from the switch clean and convert it to a low jitter USB Audio Class 2 signal
Hans I am running Roon Rock on a Intel NUC, using a SMS-200 endpoint and a Peachtree Nova 300 amp. Do you think I would hear any improvement?
There is no way I can predict what you will hear but I would hear a clear improvement.
Thanks for the review. Sadly i need PoE and audiophile switches dont seem to offer that. Is there an audiophile PoE option?
Just use a normal PoE switch and then put the audiophile switch between the PeO switch and your stereo. PoE is likely to add to ground plane problems, the audiophile switch will solve that to a fair amount.
The Hans Beekhuyzen Channel sorry I wasnt clear. I have a Dante Avio device that is ethernet to AES. It only runs off of PoE sadly. So using the switch in review will mean a very very clean sound. Ie it will be dead quiet with no sound at all.
Then you're out of luck.
I saw the connection diagram at your N8 website, showing that ideally the unit shall come between the router and everything else. In my awkwardly long appartment the internet is coming in the far end of the house, where I need to keep my router >> 1floor up, 20meters cable >> into a wifi mesh unit (middle of the apptm) >> spreading wifi to the 2nd floor's wifi extender >> which is connected via cat7 AQ carbon cable into my NAD M33.
My question is, does it make sense to apply a N8 anywhere in this network and if yes, where.
Thank you very much for your response in advance,
G.
I think it will if you place it closest to the M33
Thanks Hans for the recommendation. I bought one.
Great to hear!
Hi Hans,
Forgive my ignorance but what I STILL don't understand is why you would want to put a cheap router upstream from an audiophile switch instead of connecting your server directly to the switch then to the player? In other words will the audiophile switch actually clean up the pollution generated by the non-audiophile router? FYI - I have a basic Linksys router (with iFi SMPS) in between Windows server and DigiOne Signature powered by good quality linear PSUs.
Let me put it this way: when tried (AQvox and SOtM) it didn't make a difference.
good review, Hans.
Seems like another simple switch, with a higher precision clock on it.
I don't care what it looks like, I care about how it sounds!
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel I had no intention to say it doesn't. It was just in interest to me that it seems to be a common practice 😅.
Hi! I adopted the tplink with an ifi audiophile power supply. It gets you a almost audiophile switch for less than 100eur. Have you tried it?
Yes and even with a higher quality power supply. It will improve the sound quality somewhat but not comparable with this switch (nothing wrong with the iFi power supply, great for the money, but if you spend more, Thera are even better ones)
The Hans Beekhuyzen Channel might try one in the future! Tks
@@joshua43214 you are not the only one disappointed with this ifi power supply, and to be fair I find a lot of what I have tried from them equally as disappointing. Finally bought myself a real power supply for my source.
@@mesonto And which did you buy?
@@joshua43214 ...Which cincon brick did you get?thanks !!!
Hallo Hans,
In mijn appartement zijn er 10 internetaansluitingen in de de muren, onder en boven verdieping. In de meterkast zijn een TP Link TL-GS116 die op de standaard KPN router is aangesloten (0,5 m kabel afstand tussen router en TP switch). De router krijgt signaal via de KPN glasvezelverbinding. De langste ethernetkabels van TP Link switch naar wandcontactdoos is ca. 12 m. De kkabels zijn CAT6 UTP unschielded solid 100 ohm 250 hz. Helaas niet schielded, kan eventueel een kabel nieuw laten trekken. (Graag advies of dat zinvol is in muren)
. Mijn BlueSound Node 2i zit direct op een van de wandcontactdozen aangesloten.
Indien ik een Silent Angel Bonn N8 switch zou aanschaffen, wat is dan de beste aansluit optie?
1) Router - TP Link switch - (lange UTP kabel in de muur) - Silent Angel Bonn N8 - Bluesound Node 2i
2) Router - Silent Angel Bonn N8 - Bluesound Node 2i (dus TP Link switch in meter kast vervangen door Bonn N8 en dan signaal via lange kabel in de muur naar de Node 2i)
Mijn set up is geloof ik goed genoeg om hier een verschil in te horen
XTZ Edge A2-300 versterker
Schiit Saga+ voorversterker
Quad Z2 luidsprekers
Bluesound Node 2i streamer met TIDAL Master abbo
IFI Power Station stekkerdoos
Alle stroomkabels naar versterkers, etc zijn van Groneberg en andere goede merken.
The Bonn B8 should be closest to the Node 2i.
Dear Mr. Beekhuyzen, First of all, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays ! If I can afford the SOtM switch, is it worthwhile to get the even better SOtM switch, I am using sms200Ultra neo with sps500 LPS, I trust the long term reliability from SOtM. By the way, have you upgraded your sms200Ultra to the latest 4.91 firmware ; Setting its Ethernet connection speed to 100mbps ; Run this NAA at 12V rather than 9V ; All of which can maximize the sound quality for this NAA. Thank you.
The SOtM switch is a good investment.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you very much for your quick response and advice.
Thanks Hans. Have you tried a generic medical grade PSU on a generic switch? Thanks
No, I haven’t. For it won’t improve the poor xtals used.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Sorry, I don't understand the term xtal. There are quite a few people who use Friwo medical power supplies on the Netgear GS108T and report improvements. Given the N8 uses a medical supply, I was curious to know if most of the benefit is coming from the supply - perhaps you would have a chance to put a standard supply on the N8 to make the comparison?
I consider it a waist of money buying a good psu for a cheap switch since the very poor xtals in those switches are a rather limiting factor.
What if you have a DAC/streamer costing £30,000, would you still require a switch for a component of this quality?
I don't know, I have never tested a DAC above € 8,000. But I am sure your dealer would lend you one, being a very good customer.
Paul, the cost of YOUR equipment is irrelevant! Stop showing off! If you use a switch in your network chain, then yes, it may well improve the quality. It MAY, as it MAY with ANY equipment regardless of cost. In fact there's an argument which says that the more expensive the equipment is, ie. greater resolution, one would think, then it may be MORE of a benefit than it would be with much cheaper equipment. Your thought process is completely the opposite of what it really is.
I have an ultrarendu and Linear power supply before my dac. I thought the Ultrarendu would have cleaned up any residual noise, are you saying a better switch would have an effect before the Ultrarendu sees it?
That’s what I am saying
Yes. I am using an ether regen before my ultrarendu!
I received the new Uptone EtherRegen switch last week and I was totally blown away by how the sound of our Ultrarendu (going through the IsoRegen to a Benchmark DAC3) improved further. I would not have believed it if I hadn’t tried (after reading the enthusiastic initial reviews).
So yes absolutely... an audiophile switch provides a definite improvement. In my case to a level that I would not have deemed possible.
Mark Smit . Thanks I will have to investigate a switch it appears.
Jonathan Barreneche That’s a great question! I evolved from Mac mini USB with the original USBRegen to ISO Regen (which brought great improvements) to adding the linear LPS1.1 to the ISO Regen (very noticeable improvement) to ISO Regen+UltraRendu (which brought a relatively modest improvement) to adding an LPS to the Ultrarendu (small improvement), to adding EtherRegen (great improvement). Never considered removing the ISO Regen - that’s an interesting suggestion though. Having the LPS on our ISO Regen worked wonders but on the EtherRegen there was little additional improvement. Therefore I was astonished that the EtherRegen brought the system to another level. The “as live” effect and instrument separation is in a ballpark that I didn’t think existed.
Hey Hans which switch of the ones you have tested gives the best sound or is the better buy ? im looking for at switch for my setup (Primare i35 Prisma)
There is no such ting as the best. There is only 'the right one for you'. And you should decide that for yourself after watching my videos. My switch reviews are grouped here: th-cam.com/video/48oepwZgYRw/w-d-xo.html
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel what you say is true but no recommendations or is that all in your videoes ?
Anything I can say is in my videos. Watch them in chronological order for the clearest picture.
Rene, toevallig al een switch gekocht? .Ik heb ook Primare i35 prisma
@@berryvansevenbergen8583 english please
I think this proves several things. First RFI from routers in the home are a major source of noise and in Hans’ case probably that nearby tower also contributes noise. Second, removing RFI by upgrading internal shielding heat dissipation and other forms of noise riddance work. I have most of my components including amps and sources streamer and CD player fully treated internally. And the jump in performance is significant audible and easily worth it.
Here Hans Beekhuysen misses it all!
I tested the Lineair Power Supply Sbooster M2 newest and of Bonn 8's own lps: both do make the Bonn N8 a lot! better and the winner of these two was the Sbooster botw eco M2 (the newest).
I cannot always follow Hans by experience! 😞
And he didn't gave answers to my questions like yours.
The sBooster gives a more rounded, warmer signal. If you like that, that's ok. I think the original PSU gives a more accurate sound.
Thank you for answering. @@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel But this is not at all my experience and again not really answering seriously.
Silent Angel: Bonn Forester F1 Lineaire Powersupply specially made for the Bonn N8 Silent Angel netwerkswitch.
Some facts of Silent Angel Lineair Power supply ( the Sbooster botw Eco M2, the newest is better compared them myself)
They prove to be how much you are missing here this comparison between a switch mode power supply and a Lineair Power Supply:
(In Dutch)
"De Bonn Forester F1 is een zeer solide en zwaar uitgevoerde voeding, speciaal ontwikkeld voor de Bonn N8 Silent angel dataswitch. Deze voeding is stabieler, en heeft duidelijk minder rimpel dan de standaard bij de Bonn Silent Angel N8 meegeleverde switched mode PSU."
Luisteren
De Bonn N8 silent angel is een netwerkswitch die al erg goed klinkt in uw hifi installatie, maar met de Bonn Forester F1 worden alle voordelen nog eens erg duidelijk verbeterd. Wij adviseren u om eerste eens te genieten van de voordelen van de Bonn Silent Angel N8, om daarna eens deze Forrester F1 voeding op proef te vragen. Wij zijn er vrij zeker van dat u deze niet meer kwijt wilt in uw set. De voordelen zijn dermate groot, dat deze upgrade eigenlijk een "must” is. Nog meer rust, zuiverheid en afbeeldingsgrootte bij uw muziek bestanden.
Specificaties van deze unit :
Merk : Thunderdata
Model : Bonn Forester F1
Type : Lineaire Power Supply tbv Bonn N8
Uitgang : Dubbele 5V uitgang
Stroomsterkte : 2A
Behuizing : Metalen
Finish : Zwart
Gewicht : 1.3Kg
Afmetingen : 115mm B x 155mm D x 58mm H
So this proves that Silent Angel them self do find it also better to change this, to improve this with a Lineair Power Supply.
Hans - Due to practical/physical constraints I stream from my SonicTransporter i5 to ProJect StreamBox S2 Ultra in another room via wifi. If using WiFi rather than Ethernet connection, might I still hear a difference from having the server connected through an audiophile quality switch?
I really don’t know. Sorry.
For what it’s worth, I installed this switch and decent audioquest Ethernet cables on the other side of an eero WiFi router and I’m convinced I hear a difference in detail and ease.
Hi! I have a Marantz Receiver (SR5014) and it have two anthenas for wireless connection / streaming over WiFi. I tested the difference between the sound quality Wireless using WiFi to my router vs. direct Ethernet cable from that same router directly to the receiver. I think that the Wireless streaming directly to the receiver sound better than using Ethernet cable. Have you tested any wireless streamer vs. Wire (Ethernet) streamer ? . Do you think that using some of those Switch and Ethernet cable will improve enought the quality to get better than the Wireless one ?. Thanks!
Too many variables. I would have to see how modem/routers influence the sound. Then the quality of wifi will vary depending where you live. In an appartement building you have neighbours left, right, above and below you that all need wifi bandwidth, and so on. You have to do the testing yourself at your place using you equipment.
Great review and looks interesting, but unfortunately they don’t have a U.K. seller, and therefore no U.K. plug option. Shame, maybe yet another cost of Brexit 😥
I would try to contact the manufacturer. You never know.
I have just emailed them, so fingers crossed!