Sonore opticalRendu network bridge and streamer
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- A universal network bridge that uses a fiber optic network connection for optimal galvanic separation. Given the track record of Sonore this must be quite interesting…..
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Thank you for the detailed review. I ended up buying the OpticalRendu/OpticalModule combo with lps because of your review
Thanks for trusting my judgment. And enjoy the music (even more now)
Very interresting Review, i only missed swapping the Ifi power supply against an Sbooster
as usual :-)
That gave no improvement.
Hi Hans, following the descriptions of sound differences between the SOTM and the Sonore, I think it would be very interesting to test a fiber optical connection with the SMS 200 too. Many people report similar changes using fiber on their setups. And I think currently you have all elements to do such a test. It would be great and helpful for many people wishing to develop their current setup.Thank you.
I have used the EtherREGEN on the sMS-200 Ultra NEO during the review of the opticalRendu review when comparing it to the sMS-200 Ultra Neo.
Great video - this seems like a significant development at a less than crazy price. Excellent exposition as usual. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
This was what I was looking forward to and looking for everywhere on the web! Bang on!
Glad you found it.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Hi there Hans, having reviewed the Auralic Aries G1 and the OpticalRendu set up here, if you were to go with one of these, which one would you opt for - the G1 or the OpticalRendu pack?
Sometimes just saying thank you for your work, comments and time putting these together!
I appreciate that!
Literally spent the last month thinking about sms200 ultra neo vs ultraRendu as an upgrade to my Allo digione signature with shanti lps
And now this?!?
I honestly thought fibre was just for making the easy home installation compared to Ethernet cabling from the router but looks like there’s a far deeper story here.
Thanks Hans you’ve messed up my budget again ;)
My pleasure😁
I am considering the same upgrade, have you done any comparisons yet?
@@spenagio7 not at this price point although i've listened to a SimAudio Moon Mind2 streamer and also the 'basic' naim streamer and both were amazing.
@@Villaboy78 have you heard the lumin u1 mini? I wonder how that is compared to the opticalrendu setup.
Awesome video as usual, impartial and very educational. Thank you for the hard work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
That level of detail, it is amazing
I know
wow! i knew it would be better than the SMS 200 Ultra Neo. This is getting more and more interesting! Next up,
Signature Rendu SE Optical plsssss. :)
Ok. But is it better than SMS 200 Ultra Neo + Uptone Etherregen?
Yes
Pau Rey he said in between Aries G2 & SMS 200 Ultra Neo
At the end of the review you mention the difference in sound quality between the opticalRendu and Aries G2 (with and without EtherREGEN). A bit later you mention the price difference between those two and also the difference in price with the Signature Rendu SE. Would you be able to say something on the expected diffeence in Sound quality between G2 and Signature and between opticalRendu and Signature?
I have not reviewed the Signature so I can't say. Sorry.
Incredible knowledge, thank you.
I'm having a really weird situation at home and I was wondering if you'd have an idea about the cause.
I get turntable hum when i put it next to the amplificator. But if i rotate both elements by 90 degrees then it's ok ! what the ?
Try reversing the placement. So if the turntable is left of the amp, place it on the right. If it's on the right, place it on the left.
I am curious how much better the Rendu would sound in comparison to optical out from other sources to a dac with a high grade optical cable ? In other words, the advantage might or might not be attributable to just the optical connection. I think it's call half-duplex with that type of optical. Could the improvement be the half duplex connection ? Years ago that type of optical was used for computer connections with not much use lately that I have seen.
The advantage lies in the total conceptual thinking, just as with the UpTone EtherREGEN. So it is the galvanic separation of the fiber optic and the measures inside the device to fight ground plane pollution. Then using extremely low phase noise crystals to clock every important component and finally use very fast flip-flops. If the optical input of your DAC would have the same technology and design philosophy you would most likely not get the same quality since the bandwidth of TOSlink media converters haver very limited bandwidth. That is why some manufacturers limit TOSlink to 96 kHz sampling.
Thank you for sharing all these wonderful reviews, Hans. Have been a faithful follower of your channel. Could you advise will the system benefit from putting together the Uptone etherREGEN & Sonore opticalRendu? If so, will it be very significant? Thank you.
I can't judge your situation so it's hard to say. Bu I love the products and use the ether REGEN myself
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel no problem, Hans. I have took a leap of faith and link the eR & oR to my system. So far, it has been very enjoyable. Certainly a positive upgrade to the sonic quality.
I use the opticalRendu and the opticalModule with the Sbooster power supply for each device, upgrading from the microRendu which served me well for the last 4 years. I highly suggest to use a better power supply for the opticalModule as well. Select 6V for the opticalRendu and 5V for the opticalModule.
The "Purchase Combo" from Senore does just that, offering two SGC Linear Power Supplies, although I'm not sure of the voltages of those supplies.
Thanks for sharing
I just did the same. I upgraded from the microRendu to the opticalRendu and the opticalModue both with LPS's. Quite an improvement in overall quality of sound Han's had recommended the microRendu to me earlier this year and I really enjoyed using it. However after seeing this review I made the jump to the optical system. Well worth it. Thank you Hans.
Thank you, Hans. As you said, interesting! I don't quite understand, as a user of an Innuos Zenith Mk.3 running LMS/Squeezelite and connected to my DAC, whether the OpticalRendu would take over the LMS/Squeezelite functions, or if they would continue running on the Zenith...?
Before looking further into this, I might first trial an EtherREGEN...unless you wish to advise me otherwise, of course! Do you think the Zenith could benefit from both?
The OpticalRenru could take over both the LMS and Squeezelite function of the Zenith. But I would advise you to keep using the Zenith for LMS and use the Squeezelite function on the OpticalRenru.
Hans, I have always appreciate your reviews! The real question here is.... will the opticalRendu with an opticalModule going to be better than an ultraRendu fed by the EtherREGEN?
I wouldn't know, I haven't reviewed the ultraRendu.
I am also interested in this pairing
Hans in your review of the SOtM sCLK OCX10 clock for sMS 200Ultra you concluded that adding the SOtM sCLK OCX10 made a significant improvement in overall performance. Do you think the same would be true by adding a clock to the Sonore opticalRendu network bridge and streamer?
I haven't tried, so I can't say.
Hi Hans, I am unclear as to how you hooked up the etherregen for assessment of sound quality with the optical rendu. Did you use it in A>B format in front of the Sonore optical module deluxe, or did you use it in place of the optical module in B>A format?
EtherRegen -> Optical Rendu
Hi Hans, very informative video. Thank you very much. Having a Sonore opticalModule connected to the EtherREGEN over fiber and the etherREGEN in turn connected to my DAC over RJ45 (i2s) I was wondering if using the opticlRendu would add to the quality if connected directly to the DAC over USB. What would be your view on that?
I don't expect much improvement, but I haven't tried.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thanks you for your answer. I have the same feeling. Quite happy with the current setup (which is also based on a review by you)
Very interesting. Have you tried the Pink Faun galvanic separator in a cable based system?
If the EtherREGEN hardly has an effect then Pink Faun surely has no effect at all.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Ok thanks. So the answer is NO.
Hello Hans, having watched your reviews on the Auralic Aries G1 and the full OpticalRendu solution, if you were to go with one of these streaming solutions, which one would you pick - the G1 or the OpticalRendu?
Please watch the reviews
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel I just watched them again! In the G1 review, you seem to be a bit indecisive about whether to go with SOTM SMS 200 Ultra or the Aries G1 but in the OpticalRendu review, without any reservations, you state that OR is a clear winner against the SOTM 200 Ultra. So, that explains and answers my query. OR is the way forward now! Thanks.
Thank you for all your many reviews, Hans. Just sent a modest donation via PayPal to help out, if only a little. :) Curious to know if there is any sonic improvement inputting USB output of the opticalRendu into the Sonore ultraDigital to feed an I²S signal to my DAC ( Denafrips Pontus II ). Have you been able to check out that unit? Any experience with such a setup?
I have not tried this but I expect only a small improvement at best. There could also be a small degradation, it's hard to say. Again, these are only educated guesses.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you. I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of a new DAC, the Denafrips Pontus II. I am hoping to use the I²S port to connect my Oppo UDP player via HDMI. I am now looking into streaming and have been doing quite a bit of research. The Sonore units have grabbed my attention, along with the SOtM S200. Kinda in sticker shock, but this is not a cheap hobby/passion. Just trying to NOT make expensive missteps. I like to hold onto what ends up in my system for a long time. My speakers are 20 years old ( been in the shop once ), and my preamp, and amp, have only been in the shop for re-tubing. The sound is ezquisite. Is there better out there,? Undoubtedly. I am just supremely happy with these three foundational pieces of my system. Hoping to strike gold with whatever streaming equipment I end up with. I don't want to play the upgrade game. :)
Great video as always! I was actually really surprised that you found the opticRendue to sound better than the SOtM-SMS-200 Ultra Neo. While the opticalRendue is an improvement over the ultraRendue, I still prefer the SOtM sMS-200 ultra neo. I prefer the sMS-200 ultra Neo even more when used with the SOtM tX-USB ultra and SPS-500 compared to the opticalRendue set up (including LPS). For me, they were both equally quiet with absolutely black backgrounds so I think it comes down to the differences in the "house sounds" of SOtM and Sonore. I also mostly listen using headphones which, along with differences in equipment, will also have an affect on the final sound output.
Did you try it????
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Hello! Yes, I did try them both and at the same time. I had both of them for around 20 days.
So i figured out how nucleus fits into picture. Now it makes sense.
This is a great item but you mention the aries g2.1 in the vid and suggest aries would be an improvement at twice or so the price. Price aside, the choice would be for the aries, am i correct?
Yes
Hans - do you think that when using a network bridge such as this, the power supply to the PC source running Roon matters?
In my case it didn’t
Hi Hans, I am in doubt between this Sonore Opticalrendu (with Farad upgrade) and the Magna Mana Ultra Mk3 also reviewed by yourself. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Bert
I make reviews for I don't have to guide everyone through their buying decisions. Just lack the time. Sorry.
Hi Hans , your video are amazing always. You mentioned a usb to optic converter. I went to the Sonore site and couldn’t find it. Where can I buy one?
Let me check
You are right. Though there are many of these converters on Amazon. Use the search string "USB to Optical Audio Adapter". I don't know about quality through.
Hi Haans can we switch easily between Spotify and Roon with one click similar to Cambridge or Bluesound apps?
Not ass easy as with Roon.
Outstanding review thank you Hans 😘
Glad you enjoyed it
can is be used as a network soundcard for a pc? my company uses dsp amplifiers for house audio and im looking for a way to run rew in rooms without running a 200ft audio cable from my computer to the amplifier do measure and adjust the dsp for room correction.
Since the output still is digital, you do need to add a digital to analog converter in-between the opticalRendu and your amp.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel yes i understand that i just wasnt sure if it can be the pc's audio output and play the pc's audio.
Hello Hans, did you try replacing the CiAudio linear power supply with an iFi SMPS? If so, any differences?
I ask because approximately $160 US could be saved by purchasing separate items, including two iFi supplies, as opposed to buying the "Purchase Combo" package-deal from Sonore, which includes two SGC linear power supplies.
I didn’t.
Hi Hans, how is the optical Rendu compared to the Auralic G1 (or G2)? thanks for your videos and insightful analysis
You find my review of the Aries G1 here: th-cam.com/video/juKqFso3nTw/w-d-xo.html. And the review of the Aries G@ here: th-cam.com/video/rIeI4Zr1J7Y/w-d-xo.html
Hi, just wondering if you have been able to find the way forward - the G1 or the OpticalRendu? Stuck between the two, to be honest :)
@@emreokay7013 just wondering what you decided on
@@jonathanmatthew5631 I went for the same package that Hans reviewed here :) OM+OR+ Chanel Island LPS! Perfect to my taste!
@@emreokay7013 Chanel island LPS? may i know what that is? Is that the included power supply? I tried to google it but can't find any chanel island LPS. Is that the LPS that Hans used?
How does a nucleus fit in??
As a normal computer, an Intel NUC. Any good network bridge or streamer will be beneficiary to the sound quality.
Did you compare it to the Brooklyn Bridge?
I used the DAC part of the Brooklyn Bridge powered with the Syntaxx PSS. The streaming part of the Bridge is clearly of lower quality. Great for the money though.
Please do not ask questions twice. It's already a race if people ask the same question only once.
I was about to pull the trigger on the opticalRendu Lite for Roon with the bundle that includes 1m fiber + media converter. I'm glad I saw this review. Based on the review, it seems that the supplied media converter might actually make matters worse by adding more phase noise? So in other words, this defeats the purpose unless one forks out extra cash to buy the opticalModule. I think I'll pass.
I think you have to watch the video again for you have misinterpreted my words.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel I apologize if I misinterpreted your words, that was certainly not my intent. To be specific, I was referring to the part starting at the 2:45 mark ... "“unfortunately, these cheap boxes are not kind to digital audio signals since the phase noise can be rather high while the cheap switch modes power supply that comes with it is rather noisy too. So I will use a a Sonore OpticalModyle as a media converter …"
I'm not sure how else to interpret it. Please feel free to clarify :)
If I can suggest, he is saying the media converters are not very good, but the sonore optical module ( as media converter)/ etherbridge ( to optical) works well. That’s how I understood what he was saying ( sorry I am late to the game seeing this a year later ;-)
@@adnanrafiq5126 what he means is that optical fibre is better than no optical fibre. But the quality of the FMC and it's power supply matters as well when going optical.
Hi Hans how are you? I'm really curious about your thoughts of using WiFi vs. Ethernet for streaming? I know you like the Auralic Aries streamer, and the CEO of Auralic suggests that WiFi is preferable to ethernet for sound quality (assuming your WiFi network is fast and stable). It seems to me that the Auralic WiFi streamer is extremely preferable because it allows you to sidestep investing all this money in removing noise from an Ethernet-based system (as Sonore goes to great lengths to do). It also allows you to avoid all the extra boxes and cables required for a Sonore-philosophy solution. What do you think? Did you ever get a chance to test the Auralic Aries vs. the Snore opticalRendu or some of the other Sonore solutions (like using the EtherREGEN, etc.)?
I think there is no absolute truth. If yo live in an area where there is low usage of Wifi and thus sufficient bandwidth, Wifi might sound great. At my place ethernet cable plus a good audiophile switch sounds the best.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thanks for your reply! Did you ever get a chance to test the WiFi connection on the Aries vs. connecting it via Ethernet to validate the Auralic CEO’s statements? I live in a city but my home WiFi network is private, so I’m not sure why I would have bandwidth issues. None that I’ve noticed anyway. I think the subject of optimizing a HiFi for streaming is still very opaque to most of us, and I hope you do more videos explaining it all!
Sure I did. I don’t make statements based on presumptions. BTW your WiFi might be private but you still share bandwidth (radio frequencies) with your neighbors.