I’ve got the Chord Company version. I tried an ifi 5v power supply, it was different, not better. I also tried a 5v LPS. That was overall better than either SMPS. My honest opinion is that the power supply is more important than the switch.
I’m an audiophile, but thankfully I am also a network engineer with a systems engineering background. So I know not to waste money on audiophile switches. If you like there is a LTT video debunking the audiophile switch.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 If you like I took an Alpha Audio video, extracted the audio track, snipped out the tracks in Audacity and randomized them into AB/X files for download and no one could tell what track was from which cable. Sorry dude.
@@mnoble247 Hi, thanks for your reaction. I have 2 questions before I can react to your statement: 1. Is that from the video where they clearly explained the differences they heard? 2. Did you download a TH-cam stream that you then also reworked in Audacity?
While that LTT video was very entertaining and enlightening, all it did was show that there are scrupulous vendors out there, like in any other industry. It doesn't prove that switches don't make a difference. It's cheap enough to buy a dlink dgs105, and a good power supply like a spare 5v linear psu or ifi ipower. Have an open mind, if it doesn't make a difference, awesome. If it does, welcome to the next level in audio.
One inexpensive upgrade you can make to a consumer network switch like the NetGear you have is to get a medical equipment grade switching power supply for under 20€. They are supposed to be more quiet.
Hey Ivar, I’d like hear more comparisons of tracks through this new streamer setup and your better sounding cds of different music genres. I know your busy, so no rush😁
Hoi ivar. Mooi om te zien dat ook jij nog steeds lekker bezig bent met de hobby. Hoe schoner het signaal hoe mooier de muziek klinkt. Ik heb van de week puur zilveren jumpers op de warfdale gezet wat een verschil. Gr André de vries.
Apologise for not hearing what you've got to say, I'm listening to music! You know how it is. Hopefully when I'm in a mood I'll come back and give it a proper listen.
Ik heb ik ook de silent angel (met standaard voeding) bonn n8 waar ik AudioQuest Vodka RJ/E netwerkkabel aan heb zitten. Ik had eerst een netgear switch (waarop één sbooster) waar de audioqest kabel geen effect had maar met silent bonn n8 wel 😊💪🏻.
Maybe I don't get out enough but in my experience too many Wi-Fi devices ends up making too much noise anyway. Ok maybe not towards a heightened noise floor but it's only when I turn everything off, I realise what my brain has been putting up with 🤯
@@theaudiophilebarista2424Technically, wifi streaming would be the cleanest option in terms of noise floor, if you believe that noise can be transmitted via wires
There is no way that a network switch can affect audio data. If it did, you would lose data, documents and parts of songs. The data remains the same, no matter the switch. m.th-cam.com/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/w-d-xo.html
People have been saying that about powercables, dac’s, amplifiers, interconnects, speakercables, cd transports…and so on. And every time it turned out the naysayers were wrong. What most of the naysayers don’t understand is that it is not only about the data (like it’s not only about the ones and zeros). It is about how the whole architecture around the data is created (how the equipment is build). Especially Amir has been called out for being extremely closed minded about this. He ONLY looks at measurements and we know for a fact that that is not the only factor. In fact, many equipment that measures perfect sounds like crap and vice versa.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 If your player can't handle a measly network connector, that is just defective by design. You don't need to go above 1000$ to find a good one that can. Do you have better sound stage when you stop sneezing? This is bordering checking bird migration flight paths to have optimal playback on bad equipment.
@@BotraxDiaz Did you even read my comment? And "if your player can't handle a measly network connector" Man, I don't even understand what you are trying to say here? Seriously 🤷♂️
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 If the sound output of your player is that much affected by being connected via Ethernet port, that player is defective by design, it is bad equipment. Invest more than 20$ to get a better DAC. Sub 600$ DACs accomplish this quite well, which is the price of that switch. Buy a better DAC rather than that switch.
sorry Ivar, maar als ervaren netwerkman kan ik je vertellen dat een audio switch is snake Oil. Mooi verhaal en veel subjectieve ervaring. Maar ik ga je garanderen dat jij geen verschil gaat horen als ik switches ga wisselen zonder dat jij dat kan zien. Mocht je dat niet geloven, dan kom ik graag eens naar je set luisteren en het met jou uit proberen.
Hé man, lang geleden 👍 Misschien goed om de serie van Alpha Audio hierover eens te bekijken. Ik denk dat je van mening zal veranderen. Uiteraard ben je hier nog steeds welkom om te luisteren. Die heb je nog steeds tegoed 😉
Hallo Ivar. Die video’s van Alpha Audio heb ik al lang gezien, tenenkrommend materiaal en niet een partij die onafhankelijk is. Mag ik op mijn beurt je uitnodiging om naar ASR te kijken. Begrijp me goed, ik wil je audio hobby niet verzieken en gewoon als ervaren netwerkman je één en ander bij brengen: th-cam.com/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HdjYjRSfHixi7qPC
@@michaelmuetstege2965 ASR? Nee joh, die man heeft maar één stand. “Zijn manier van meten is heilig”. Terwijl de audio historie meermalen duidelijk heeft bewezen dat dit niet klopt. Ik heb door de jaren heen meerdere discussies met hem gehad. Hij kan er niet goed tegen als zijn beperkte kijk op audio ter discussie wordt gesteld. Ik kan hem niet echt heel serieus nemen.
Sorry Ivar, maar wat Amir laat zien is wel de waarheid, of je het nu leuk vind of niet. En met een blind test kan ik jou dat ook laten horen. Je moet er natuurlijk wel voor open staan.
@@michaelmuetstege2965 Nee joh. Hij kan leuk meten, maar zijn conclusies zijn vaak voorbarig en ongegrond. “Als ik het niet meten kan, dan zit het bij iedereen tussen de oren” Hij denkt ook dat een blinde luister test de heilige graal is, maar als ik hem voorschotel waarom dat waarschijnlijk niet zo is dan wordt hij boos, maar heeft geen enkel tegenargument. Prima als jij zijn conclusies als waarheid wil nemen (ik heb het niet over zijn metingen) maar veel mensen nemen hem niet serieus omdat hij nogal rigide is in zijn overtuigingen.
I'll never cease to be amazed how many people claim pseudoscience when the science is out there. Check Alpha Audio. Or stay ignorant. The choice is yours
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 what the manufacturer claims on the website is straight up bullshit, there is no other way to spin it. In the manufacturer page they talk about oscillator crystal which supposedly should improve data transmission, which is straight up impossible if you know how TCP transmission protocol works. You either get the bit perfect packet or you don't, and when you don't then the packet is sent again until it arrives, it's simple as that, that's how TCP works and if that wasn't the case we wouldn't even be messaging on TH-cam because the entire internet infrastructure based on cryptography wouldn't work without bit perfect transmission. Another reason that can't possible impact the audio in any way is because the data you transmit is buffered and not real time (which would require UDP protocol), the DAC will read the exact same bits from the ethernet as it was plugged in a computer or as if it had his own memory onboard. The only time this doesn't work is if the connection is so bad you start losing so many packets the buffer can't keep up, but in that case you don't get something that's a bit worse (ie you describing you think this DAC helps you hear fainter details in the song), you straight up get a song that stops playing completely or you get artifacts that are so bad the song becomes impossible to listen. The other claim they make is that you get less electrical noise from one of their switches, while that might be true from a strictly technical point of view one needs to consider two things: first, a good DAC should not be impacted by noise possibly coming from the switch, because the DAC itself should be built in a way to avoid electrical interference. Second, unless something went extremely wrong we're talking about extremely small currents, things you might see on an oscilloscope and that I bet whatever you want aren't possible noticeable by human ears. I've tried listening to the song you mention in the video, apart from the fact that with my extremely simple setup (a good soundcard and a pair of IEMs) I can notice the difference between the two guitars with no issue, I've noticed that the noise floor of the recording itself is definitely orders of magnitude bigger than anything that could possible come from a properly working network switch so no, I still don't believe a network swtich can make any perceivable difference and there are blind tests showing it. Alpha Audio (or whoever claims that it's something possible to detect) could just record the output of a DAC connected to different switches and see if there is any audible difference to prove their point, instead of recording meaningless values with an oscilloscope.
@v0ldy54 what would you have them produce? A frequency response that tells you nothing about soundstage and timbre? Enjoy your IEMs through your soundcard. Its the sound you deserve.😂
@@sleepyf1 we have the tools to measure minuscule differences in audio signals, differences that are way below human threshold of hearing start providing evidence that such differences exist and that they're caused by switches for s starter. And after that, IF there are differences caused by the switches, prove they're audible with blind testing. Spoiler: they aren't, and what manufacturers claim is utter BS it you gave any idea how TCP protocols work
I’ve got the Chord Company version. I tried an ifi 5v power supply, it was different, not better. I also tried a 5v LPS. That was overall better than either SMPS.
My honest opinion is that the power supply is more important than the switch.
I’m an audiophile, but thankfully I am also a network engineer with a systems engineering background. So I know not to waste money on audiophile switches. If you like there is a LTT video debunking the audiophile switch.
If you like, Alpha Audio has a good series on what network engineers don’t like to hear about Ethernet switches
Don't mean to be rude but qualifications don't mean shit. It's all about the listening experience!
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 If you like I took an Alpha Audio video, extracted the audio track, snipped out the tracks in Audacity and randomized them into AB/X files for download and no one could tell what track was from which cable. Sorry dude.
@@mnoble247 Hi, thanks for your reaction.
I have 2 questions before I can react to your statement:
1. Is that from the video where they clearly explained the differences they heard?
2. Did you download a TH-cam stream that you then also reworked in Audacity?
While that LTT video was very entertaining and enlightening, all it did was show that there are scrupulous vendors out there, like in any other industry. It doesn't prove that switches don't make a difference. It's cheap enough to buy a dlink dgs105, and a good power supply like a spare 5v linear psu or ifi ipower. Have an open mind, if it doesn't make a difference, awesome. If it does, welcome to the next level in audio.
One inexpensive upgrade you can make to a consumer network switch like the NetGear you have is to get a medical equipment grade switching power supply for under 20€. They are supposed to be more quiet.
I search one for my Netgear 108. Which one would you recommend? Thanks
Hey Ivar, I’d like hear more comparisons of tracks through this new streamer setup and your better sounding cds of different music genres. I know your busy, so no rush😁
Hoi ivar.
Mooi om te zien dat ook jij nog steeds lekker bezig bent met de hobby.
Hoe schoner het signaal hoe mooier de muziek klinkt.
Ik heb van de week puur zilveren jumpers op de warfdale gezet wat een verschil.
Gr André de vries.
Leuk, zelf heb ik ook een bonn n8. Ik ben benieuwd naar thé tweaks.
Apologise for not hearing what you've got to say, I'm listening to music! You know how it is. Hopefully when I'm in a mood I'll come back and give it a proper listen.
Ik heb ik ook de silent angel (met standaard voeding) bonn n8 waar ik AudioQuest Vodka RJ/E netwerkkabel aan heb zitten. Ik had eerst een netgear switch (waarop één sbooster) waar de audioqest kabel geen effect had maar met silent bonn n8 wel 😊💪🏻.
I have no noisy cables. I stream over wi-fi.
I always prefer wired. That is why Lumin did not even consider to make the A1 wireless. Only cable.
Btw, I did not mention noisy cables 😉
I would wire direct if I could. But, I have been amazed how well wireless works. At least at my place.
@@stevescudder1507 Wireless is definitely getting better, but I have only one choice.
Maybe I don't get out enough but in my experience too many Wi-Fi devices ends up making too much noise anyway. Ok maybe not towards a heightened noise floor but it's only when I turn everything off, I realise what my brain has been putting up with 🤯
@@theaudiophilebarista2424Technically, wifi streaming would be the cleanest option in terms of noise floor, if you believe that noise can be transmitted via wires
There is no way that a network switch can affect audio data. If it did, you would lose data, documents and parts of songs. The data remains the same, no matter the switch.
m.th-cam.com/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/w-d-xo.html
People have been saying that about powercables, dac’s, amplifiers, interconnects, speakercables, cd transports…and so on.
And every time it turned out the naysayers were wrong.
What most of the naysayers don’t understand is that it is not only about the data (like it’s not only about the ones and zeros).
It is about how the whole architecture around the data is created (how the equipment is build).
Especially Amir has been called out for being extremely closed minded about this.
He ONLY looks at measurements and we know for a fact that that is not the only factor.
In fact, many equipment that measures perfect sounds like crap and vice versa.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 If your player can't handle a measly network connector, that is just defective by design. You don't need to go above 1000$ to find a good one that can.
Do you have better sound stage when you stop sneezing? This is bordering checking bird migration flight paths to have optimal playback on bad equipment.
@@BotraxDiaz Did you even read my comment?
And "if your player can't handle a measly network connector"
Man, I don't even understand what you are trying to say here? Seriously 🤷♂️
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 If the sound output of your player is that much affected by being connected via Ethernet port, that player is defective by design, it is bad equipment. Invest more than 20$ to get a better DAC. Sub 600$ DACs accomplish this quite well, which is the price of that switch. Buy a better DAC rather than that switch.
You are correct in theory. In reality it does matter. Try it.
!
The audiophile ethernet switch works better if you rub snake oil on it, but be sure to use audiophile grade snake oil.
Veel luisterplezier! Heb zelf ook goede ervaringen met de N8. Deze worden verder versterkt door de toevoeging van de F1 voeding.
sorry Ivar, maar als ervaren netwerkman kan ik je vertellen dat een audio switch is snake Oil. Mooi verhaal en veel subjectieve ervaring. Maar ik ga je garanderen dat jij geen verschil gaat horen als ik switches ga wisselen zonder dat jij dat kan zien. Mocht je dat niet geloven, dan kom ik graag eens naar je set luisteren en het met jou uit proberen.
Hé man, lang geleden 👍
Misschien goed om de serie van Alpha Audio hierover eens te bekijken. Ik denk dat je van mening zal veranderen. Uiteraard ben je hier nog steeds welkom om te luisteren. Die heb je nog steeds tegoed 😉
Hallo Ivar. Die video’s van Alpha Audio heb ik al lang gezien, tenenkrommend materiaal en niet een partij die onafhankelijk is. Mag ik op mijn beurt je uitnodiging om naar ASR te kijken. Begrijp me goed, ik wil je audio hobby niet verzieken en gewoon als ervaren netwerkman je één en ander bij brengen: th-cam.com/video/BHPwPRLxDWc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HdjYjRSfHixi7qPC
@@michaelmuetstege2965 ASR? Nee joh, die man heeft maar één stand.
“Zijn manier van meten is heilig”.
Terwijl de audio historie meermalen duidelijk heeft bewezen dat dit niet klopt.
Ik heb door de jaren heen meerdere discussies met hem gehad. Hij kan er niet goed tegen als zijn beperkte kijk op audio ter discussie wordt gesteld. Ik kan hem niet echt heel serieus nemen.
Sorry Ivar, maar wat Amir laat zien is wel de waarheid, of je het nu leuk vind of niet. En met een blind test kan ik jou dat ook laten horen. Je moet er natuurlijk wel voor open staan.
@@michaelmuetstege2965 Nee joh. Hij kan leuk meten, maar zijn conclusies zijn vaak voorbarig en ongegrond.
“Als ik het niet meten kan, dan zit het bij iedereen tussen de oren”
Hij denkt ook dat een blinde luister test de heilige graal is, maar als ik hem voorschotel waarom dat waarschijnlijk niet zo is dan wordt hij boos, maar heeft geen enkel tegenargument.
Prima als jij zijn conclusies als waarheid wil nemen (ik heb het niet over zijn metingen) maar veel mensen nemen hem niet serieus omdat hij nogal rigide is in zijn overtuigingen.
I'll never cease to be amazed by the amount of money people throw away on pseudoscientific bs
I'll never cease to be amazed how many people claim pseudoscience when the science is out there.
Check Alpha Audio. Or stay ignorant. The choice is yours
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 what the manufacturer claims on the website is straight up bullshit, there is no other way to spin it.
In the manufacturer page they talk about oscillator crystal which supposedly should improve data transmission, which is straight up impossible if you know how TCP transmission protocol works. You either get the bit perfect packet or you don't, and when you don't then the packet is sent again until it arrives, it's simple as that, that's how TCP works and if that wasn't the case we wouldn't even be messaging on TH-cam because the entire internet infrastructure based on cryptography wouldn't work without bit perfect transmission.
Another reason that can't possible impact the audio in any way is because the data you transmit is buffered and not real time (which would require UDP protocol), the DAC will read the exact same bits from the ethernet as it was plugged in a computer or as if it had his own memory onboard. The only time this doesn't work is if the connection is so bad you start losing so many packets the buffer can't keep up, but in that case you don't get something that's a bit worse (ie you describing you think this DAC helps you hear fainter details in the song), you straight up get a song that stops playing completely or you get artifacts that are so bad the song becomes impossible to listen.
The other claim they make is that you get less electrical noise from one of their switches, while that might be true from a strictly technical point of view one needs to consider two things: first, a good DAC should not be impacted by noise possibly coming from the switch, because the DAC itself should be built in a way to avoid electrical interference.
Second, unless something went extremely wrong we're talking about extremely small currents, things you might see on an oscilloscope and that I bet whatever you want aren't possible noticeable by human ears.
I've tried listening to the song you mention in the video, apart from the fact that with my extremely simple setup (a good soundcard and a pair of IEMs) I can notice the difference between the two guitars with no issue, I've noticed that the noise floor of the recording itself is definitely orders of magnitude bigger than anything that could possible come from a properly working network switch so no, I still don't believe a network swtich can make any perceivable difference and there are blind tests showing it.
Alpha Audio (or whoever claims that it's something possible to detect) could just record the output of a DAC connected to different switches and see if there is any audible difference to prove their point, instead of recording meaningless values with an oscilloscope.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Alcrap audio to say better. Why AWS, Azure, GCP don't use any these?
@v0ldy54 what would you have them produce? A frequency response that tells you nothing about soundstage and timbre? Enjoy your IEMs through your soundcard. Its the sound you deserve.😂
@@sleepyf1 we have the tools to measure minuscule differences in audio signals, differences that are way below human threshold of hearing start providing evidence that such differences exist and that they're caused by switches for s starter.
And after that, IF there are differences caused by the switches, prove they're audible with blind testing.
Spoiler: they aren't, and what manufacturers claim is utter BS it you gave any idea how TCP protocols work