I mean. they will know usually anyways, because unless he only has one land out, hes gonna cast it. Even at worse its 2 mana draw a card and you may play an additional land.
Marco Giovanni >Subs to black pidgeon speaks >Bitches about dictatorships, racism, homophobia, etc Nice going ya doofus, you have cognitive dissonance. Also cuba is undoubtly better than it would ever be with batista and his cronies.
Against the tron player, when you've exhaustioned them and are taking extra turns, it's actually better to fate seal yourself with Jace. Their draws don't really matter and it helps ensure that you keep hitting good cards.
on the last turns of the final game, you could have thing in the ice, snap+exhaustion, serum visions (8 mana, you had 8 mana). Then they need to peel exactly red mana for bolt (which we might have known they had, I wasn't paying attention to their bob flips). Then next turn you get two draws and you have 2 counters on your thing which makes flipping somewhat easy, and flipping means you get to replay your snap.
8:14 missing a jace activation to give your opponent a break? edit: then you cast a new jace, so yeah. pretending your opponent killed him. good guy lsv
at 1:02:20 your cryptic should tap team and bounce the ravine, even if the didnt have bolt or brutality they could animate raging ravine after cryptic resolves
I've seen people make the argument that white border lands are easier to find when fetching in paper Magic, seems like you're taking it next level here. Taking Turns is exactly my kind of deck, and watching you play it makes me feel like a bad person for knowing that.
At 1:02:20 if they casted Collective Brutality couldn't you have used Tap all creatures and Counter spell? Cryptic Command doesn't necessarily have to be used to draw a card.
You can't preemptively counter spells. If they attack first, you have to tap the team to not die in combat, but then second main they kill you with spells.
last turn of the game he needed to bounce the raging ravine along with tapping the team or ravine could activate to kill him. didn't matter away bc he had bolt but still.
It is kind of hard to put someone on two copies from a single serum vision scry though. And they are Goryo deck so probably care about their own graveyard.
TheDeckinator pretty sure it reads, "If it is your turn, end your turn". I really don't like days undoing in these decks. For sure not in any non As foretold lists.
TheDeckinator please explain why Days undoing on your opponents turn is so great? Because you can pseudo counter and refill your hand? Considering it costs UU11 between 2 cards, it sounds pretty meh. What other cards benefit from having quicken in the deck? Visions ? Exhaustion? Also meh. Not worth losing slots in the 60 imo.
Go to some pptqs and watch some coverage, you will find that many tron players play their decks terribly. It's just hard to notice because sometimes they make a ton of mistakes and still win.
Any thought to playing dictate of kruphix over howeling mine? I know 3 vs 2 mana is huge, but howeling mine just seems bad right now with all the kolaghan's commands running around
Seriously so many miss plays game one exhaustion against Delver game one is freaking hilarious because it Taps down lands and creatures and it doesn't care how they got tapped its essentially a time walk in almost all circumstances
Actually, you could cast Time Warp with an As Foretold off of Snapcaster because it doesn’t care where you cast the spell from, just if it meets the CMC to counters on As Foretold Edit: Turns out, alternative costs can’t pay for alternative costs. Oops!
It doesn't care where you are casting it from, but it does care that it is allowing you to cast the spell using an alternative cost. Snapcaster is also giving the card in the graveyard a way to cast it using an alternative cost (flashback) and you can only use one method for casting the spell. This means you can't use As Foretold to cast a flashback spell since that would be combining two different alternative costs.
To the uninformed its looks like the deck is boring as hell... but it takes alot of skill to pilot it that good like luis here! this deck is SO blue lol
Ancestral, As Foretold and mono Jace plan feels like a trap. Classic U/UW/UB running gigadrowses, dictates and part the waterveil is much more consistent.
I've built a much faster and more consistent version in U/G 2 years ago (and I kept improving it). Flip Jace is much better here than JTMS, even in this trashy version ;) Disrupting Shoal and Spell Pierce against Combo ONLY*. As if control decks couldn't deal with a single counterspell on turn 6 or whatever. You want Defense Grids against control. P.S.: Exhaustion is just a trap.
All of what you said is so false whew, the number of times I've straight up died to exhaustion. And baby jace is good in the deck but not better than an every turn brainstorm or bounce or fate seal
I never said Exhaustion is a bad card; it just doesn't progress the board for the time warp player. While much more expensive, a single (or 2) Walk the Aeons are probably better, especially in U/G, since you're able to play cards like Rites of Flourishing, which is good in combination with cards like Day's Undoing (end the turn? so what?) or Ghost Quarter+Crucible of Worlds. You can actually not die to Exhaustion. Time Warp decks usually don't play creatures to be able to attack. It just buys the Time Warp player a turn (SOMETIMES - or rather, most often). It's somewhat like playing actual Time Walk in Vintage Storm decks. Basically free, never _really_ bad but in all honesty not the card you want in your Storm deck (Dunno if those people know, but the Storm mechanic says: "[...] spells cast this turn"). JTMS is a good card :D but why would you want to fateseal and bounce when you have infinite turns? It might be good in _some_ situations but baby Jace is just perfect for this deck at HALF the mana cost. You can even buyback flashback (chose the replacement effect yourself) Walk the Aeons :P JTMS is just a glorified, personal Howling Mine then. For 4 mana, though? This is just a philosophical issue: Go for synergy or just add all the cards you consider to be overpowered. This deck's brewer simply added Jace JUST BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN UNBANNED. Not because it's perfect for the deck, not because it HELPS THE TIME WARP DECK GET TO THE POINT IT WANTS TO BE AT, but rather... just because it's a staple. Netdeckers might agree, but actual data shows that this philosophy is trash at it's core. All I'm saying is: "Lantern Control". EDIT: @ theodore goodall The current list is not online atm; it would take me about 30 minutes to copy paste it. I will do so, though, in the next few days. Maybe honeybadgerftw will try it out and agree with me _then_ . Until then, please be _exact_ in regards to saying how I am so wrong. Just saying that statement is not really convincing...
Ehm... but you can win with mini Jace's ultimate aswell WITHOUT HAVIN TO PASS THE TURN, and he can even miracle Temporal Mastery AT INSTANT SPEED. That's a pretty unimpressive response, especially looking at your comment: "All of what you said is so false" in comparison to the length of my comment alone. Just... leave
"I'm gonna treat this Jace as dead to the Delver"
what a gentleman
Adolfo Cabrera Schmidt U u. U. U. U. U. H. U
@@hoss525 Is this Loss?
“My opponent’s deck is sweet and I don’t care”
-LSV
Lol
'Close match, I was Exhausted after the first one'
He can't keep getting away with this!
Those islands....
CaptainSauce Gorgeous, aren't they? You can see the love that went into curating the best of the best from throughout Magic's history.
I cannot wait to see LSV upload a video with the updated list!
You and SaffronOlive know what good magic is all about!
Maybe SaffronOlive will see this video and learn how to pronounce Mikokoro.
Blue cards. Good magic is all about blue cards.
Keith, one can hope.
We need LSV to guest star on Commander Clash at some point. I feel like the two of them could be very entertaining together.
Should always have a stop on your draw step when playing this. If you don't, they will know when you draw temporal
I mean. they will know usually anyways, because unless he only has one land out, hes gonna cast it. Even at worse its 2 mana draw a card and you may play an additional land.
Magic really need more players like you, LSV
AlexGidra If he was playing purely to win he would give no quarter. Nice racist, homophobic, murderous, and country-destroying dictator pic btw.
WHAT is going on here.
Everything needs more people like LSV. He is a national treasure.
Who keep a 2 land hand with no spells to cast? Or who are so freaking lucky they draw Azcanta on that hand?
Marco Giovanni
>Subs to black pidgeon speaks
>Bitches about dictatorships, racism, homophobia, etc
Nice going ya doofus, you have cognitive dissonance. Also cuba is undoubtly better than it would ever be with batista and his cronies.
I love how this deck went from looking like hot garbage to a somewhat resilient, if not consistent, combo deck. All because of a 4 mana brainstorm.
You're a good dude LSV. Even more respect than you than before.
Good guy lsv
Magic as Richard Garfield intended
"You showed up at the wrong time, Temporal Mastery"
At 35:15 ish - you could've played an As Foretold through one As Foretold with the three counters, then play Ancestral Vision through the new one.
Against the tron player, when you've exhaustioned them and are taking extra turns, it's actually better to fate seal yourself with Jace. Their draws don't really matter and it helps ensure that you keep hitting good cards.
wtf why has the Marsh Flats at 11:16 for one frame an Emrakul picture?
Mise its a moto-bug thats been showing up.
Same at 51:32
I don’t play modern neither have much interest in the format but I just love LSV !!
LSV is a class act. Bravo!
7:20 Your opponent definitely did not say "mess" up
on the last turns of the final game, you could have thing in the ice, snap+exhaustion, serum visions (8 mana, you had 8 mana). Then they need to peel exactly red mana for bolt (which we might have known they had, I wasn't paying attention to their bob flips). Then next turn you get two draws and you have 2 counters on your thing which makes flipping somewhat easy, and flipping means you get to replay your snap.
You're forgetting about the nihil spellbomb, opponent could crack that in response to snapcaster
LSV true magic pro. Insanely good player and a very good sport.
Confirmed: LSV is the Tom Hanks of Magic :)
40:45 - "We can't win this game no matter what decisions we make" at this point might be the most LSV claim to ever LSV.
8:14 missing a jace activation to give your opponent a break?
edit: then you cast a new jace, so yeah. pretending your opponent killed him. good guy lsv
I usually skip through dead space with the arrow keys. Missed it for that reason.Probably made myself look kinda dumb in this case.
You 2 just gave me hope for MTG players in general.
That first round opponent ran SUPER well.
Please play this deck again it was awesome! :D
Seth just played this deck last week lol anyway I love have you explain how the deck works.
Hola luiis
at 1:02:20 your cryptic should tap team and bounce the ravine, even if the didnt have bolt or brutality they could animate raging ravine after cryptic resolves
Your out at 57:30 was the 3 copies of terminus you left in the sideboard I think.
Great vid! The only thing is I could hear every time you swallowed your spit...
Watching your forst match I was about to ask what the win con of your deck was... then I watched match 2 - I love this deck!
Such a nice guy, his opponent misclicked but he will treat Jace as Dead. Awesome!
Ctrl-Z learned.
At 29:39 or so, why Temporal Mastery instead of Jace + Exhaustion against a completely tapped out opponent?
I've seen people make the argument that white border lands are easier to find when fetching in paper Magic, seems like you're taking it next level here.
Taking Turns is exactly my kind of deck, and watching you play it makes me feel like a bad person for knowing that.
Hey LSV, why not run Dictate of Kruphix opposed to Howling Mine? It has flash so no tapping on your turn and you get benefit first.
At 1:02:20 if they casted Collective Brutality couldn't you have used Tap all creatures and Counter spell? Cryptic Command doesn't necessarily have to be used to draw a card.
You can't preemptively counter spells. If they attack first, you have to tap the team to not die in combat, but then second main they kill you with spells.
How does opponent not thought scour LSV at 7:05 ?
"you showed up at the wrong time, Temporal Mastery!"
TheK3vin I feel like I’m always reading comments like this at the same time they say it lol
Maybe try to fit in a one of dragonlord ojutai in the mainboard? Maybe take out an exhaustion or days undoing or opt?
Nice attitude, man.
not doing snapcaster exhaustion at the end of the jund match was kind of crazy imo
Fun and interactive magic
last turn of the game he needed to bounce the raging ravine along with tapping the team or ravine could activate to kill him. didn't matter away bc he had bolt but still.
Ugh, when your opponent let you Jace the miracle to the top and Thought Scour'd himself without thinking...
Yeah, that was silently painful
Well, they countered both instances so maybe that was their plan?
The other guy, who whiffed with Inquisition and saw two of them, was the one that hurt me.
It is kind of hard to put someone on two copies from a single serum vision scry though. And they are Goryo deck so probably care about their own graveyard.
I do feel like this deck needs to fit another playset of extra turn spells somehow, maybe trimming a search, two opts, and a cryptic for it
11:16 did anyone else notice that the marsh flats trigger looked like an emrakul?
LETS DO THE TIMEWARP AGAIN
at 29:40 why is hard casting the temporal mastery at 7 mana better than Jace to brainstorm putting back temporal mastery and casting exhaustion?
He had a plan earlier to play it and it would effectively end the game so I guess he didn't see much reason to change from that.
I did not know you could undo scrys
where in the vid ?
Jmy mcl 37:45
37:45 thanks for the lesson lsv
Any idea on how to play against burn with this deck? Or hollow one? seems unwinable kinda
does anyone know what the esper list the first deck he played against?
Temporal trespass is also great
51:00 LET’S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!
The little giggles when you time warped about 7 different times greatly amused me. I knew there was a little troll in you.
Tooo funny ! All da turns!!!
Why not snapcaster time warp on that last turn?
It's definitely a mistake to not play Dictate of Kruphix in this deck.
What's the cut?
Dictate also doesn't die to Kolaghan's Command, which is pretty relevant considering how many jund and grixis decks are running around.
White-bordered Howling Mines? White-bordered basics, even?!?!
Birds of Paradise mtgo avatar???
Can you try to do a New versión of this ?
I like the as foretolds but I run 4 dictates of crufix and a howling mine. .. with thassa god of the sea and part the waterveil for win cons.
no reliquary tower?
How about playing Quicken so you could play Day's Undoing on their turn? Seems sweet.
TheDeckinator pretty sure it reads, "If it is your turn, end your turn". I really don't like days undoing in these decks. For sure not in any non As foretold lists.
Well yeah, that's why you play it. Because, you know, it doesn't end your turn during the other player's turn.
TheDeckinator please explain why Days undoing on your opponents turn is so great? Because you can pseudo counter and refill your hand? Considering it costs UU11 between 2 cards, it sounds pretty meh. What other cards benefit from having quicken in the deck? Visions ? Exhaustion? Also meh. Not worth losing slots in the 60 imo.
Umm, you don't have to end your turn prematurely? You can play it at the end of your opponent's turn and you get to untap first?
I’m somewhat noob to Modern. What’s this decks win con? Is it just Snapcaster?
So you can cast multiple spells that allow you to take an extra turn and they stack?
solotopp Yup.
Game 1, why wouldn't you neg 1 Jace, THEN play the other Jace, then +2? Did I miss a thing where you can't do that any more?
He was treating the jace as dead to the delver to be a nice guy. Opponent misclicked through their attack step.
sGoobTube ahhhh, I misunderstood the nice guy thing. My bad.
Im still living with the fact that LSV is a much better player than me, but i think that keeping that awful opening hand m1g3 was a mistake.
If this wasn't MTGO, I would be suspicious of that round 1 opponent. He had"it" every single turn in games 2 and 3.
LSV is /ourguy/
What is the win condition of this deck ? Am I dumb ? Can't see it...
Emrah Ekinci Jace or Snapcaster beatdown.
About shits pants ant the sight of emrakul at 51:31
that Tron player will win the pro tour next.
I didn't think you could be bad at Tron... Like wtf...
Go to some pptqs and watch some coverage, you will find that many tron players play their decks terribly. It's just hard to notice because sometimes they make a ton of mistakes and still win.
GOOD GUY LSV WOW
What’s the win condition of this deck? Is it Jace?
Max Waterson Jace or snap caster beats.
Did anyone see emrakul 51: 32 ?
LSV getting trolled by the user friendly interface of MTGO by getting tricked into believing they drew two inquisitions from confidants.
Any thought to playing dictate of kruphix over howeling mine? I know 3 vs 2 mana is huge, but howeling mine just seems bad right now with all the kolaghan's commands running around
as fortold really goes well with expensive take extra turns spells. Yeesh.
what happens if they don't concede?
Lasse Raatz you kill them with snapcasters or jace ultimate
so you die to any blocker + needle on jace?
Lasse Raatz cryptic command answers these things
ah, makes sense :)
You attack with snapcaster or ult jace
why no search the city
Lol I love that deck I got it in paper lol
Why doesnt this deck run Colonnade?
TheSilent006 it has plenty of ways to win the game and is punished by a tapland pretty hard
if you want a manland, inkmoth would be better but lacks the color
How quaint is this video in retrospect? Oh, taking a non-infinite amount of turns, pedestrian.
Would elixir of immortality be good in this deck so you don’t deck
Irewolf that's sort of what days undoing is in there for. As it's a draw 7 that refills your deck.
Expedition map vs LSV
Seriously so many miss plays game one exhaustion against Delver game one is freaking hilarious because it Taps down lands and creatures and it doesn't care how they got tapped its essentially a time walk in almost all circumstances
lantern is dead... huh?
Actually, you could cast Time Warp with an As Foretold off of Snapcaster because it doesn’t care where you cast the spell from, just if it meets the CMC to counters on As Foretold
Edit: Turns out, alternative costs can’t pay for alternative costs. Oops!
It doesn't care where you are casting it from, but it does care that it is allowing you to cast the spell using an alternative cost. Snapcaster is also giving the card in the graveyard a way to cast it using an alternative cost (flashback) and you can only use one method for casting the spell. This means you can't use As Foretold to cast a flashback spell since that would be combining two different alternative costs.
Willd That actually didn’t occur to me. Thanks for the clarification
To the uninformed its looks like the deck is boring as hell... but it takes alot of skill to pilot it that good like luis here! this deck is SO blue lol
Look at all these Jaces LSV keeps drawing lmao! I swear if he had 1 jace in his deck he would draw 2 by turn 4.
One of these days he IS going to lie and none of us will have seen it coming.
LSV play a troll deck? Never.
Watching this makes me physically ill.
WHITE BORDERS
play treasure map!
Ancestral, As Foretold and mono Jace plan feels like a trap. Classic U/UW/UB running gigadrowses, dictates and part the waterveil is much more consistent.
Why are ppl playing 1 mana 1/1s in modern?
I've built a much faster and more consistent version in U/G 2 years ago (and I kept improving it).
Flip Jace is much better here than JTMS, even in this trashy version ;)
Disrupting Shoal and Spell Pierce against Combo ONLY*. As if control decks couldn't deal with a single counterspell on turn 6 or whatever. You want Defense Grids against control.
P.S.: Exhaustion is just a trap.
47Mortuus do you have a list?
All of what you said is so false whew, the number of times I've straight up died to exhaustion. And baby jace is good in the deck but not better than an every turn brainstorm or bounce or fate seal
I never said Exhaustion is a bad card; it just doesn't progress the board for the time warp player. While much more expensive, a single (or 2) Walk the Aeons are probably better, especially in U/G, since you're able to play cards like Rites of Flourishing, which is good in combination with cards like Day's Undoing (end the turn? so what?) or Ghost Quarter+Crucible of Worlds.
You can actually not die to Exhaustion. Time Warp decks usually don't play creatures to be able to attack. It just buys the Time Warp player a turn (SOMETIMES - or rather, most often).
It's somewhat like playing actual Time Walk in Vintage Storm decks. Basically free, never _really_ bad but in all honesty not the card you want in your Storm deck (Dunno if those people know, but the Storm mechanic says: "[...] spells cast this turn").
JTMS is a good card :D but why would you want to fateseal and bounce when you have infinite turns? It might be good in _some_ situations but baby Jace is just perfect for this deck at HALF the mana cost. You can even buyback flashback (chose the replacement effect yourself) Walk the Aeons :P JTMS is just a glorified, personal Howling Mine then. For 4 mana, though?
This is just a philosophical issue: Go for synergy or just add all the cards you consider to be overpowered. This deck's brewer simply added Jace JUST BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN UNBANNED. Not because it's perfect for the deck, not because it HELPS THE TIME WARP DECK GET TO THE POINT IT WANTS TO BE AT, but rather... just because it's a staple. Netdeckers might agree, but actual data shows that this philosophy is trash at it's core. All I'm saying is: "Lantern Control".
EDIT: @ theodore goodall
The current list is not online atm; it would take me about 30 minutes to copy paste it. I will do so, though, in the next few days. Maybe honeybadgerftw will try it out and agree with me _then_ . Until then, please be _exact_ in regards to saying how I am so wrong. Just saying that statement is not really convincing...
47Mortuus you can +2 Jace to victory in extra turns and he brainstorms your temporal mastery
Ehm... but you can win with mini Jace's ultimate aswell WITHOUT HAVIN TO PASS THE TURN, and he can even miracle Temporal Mastery AT INSTANT SPEED.
That's a pretty unimpressive response, especially looking at your comment: "All of what you said is so false" in comparison to the length of my comment alone.
Just... leave