Canon EOS R100 Review: Did Canon Cut TOO Many Corners?
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- The Canon EOS R100 is the least expensive RF-Mount camera available. It promises to offer better image quality than a smartphone at a reasonable price, but will those images be worth the hassle of a dedicated camera? Chris Niccolls took the R100 to the streets of Calgary to find out.
Read our review: petapixel.com/2023/07/25/cano...
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0:00 - Intro
0:40 - Handling
2:26 - Autofocus
3:45 - Displays
5:05 - Burst Shooting
5:46 - Image quality
7:32 - Creative modes
8:46 - Lens selection
9:55 - Video performance
12:44 - Compared to M50 II
13:20 - Compared to R50
13:46 - The wrap - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
"How do we sell a camera to those smartphone users?" The CEO asked his young designer.
"I'll fax you a design I think will win the kids over." At only sixty three years old, he still knew what was trending.
the funny part is japan still uses fax machines, this probably actually happened
I can already imagine one of those "Camera Conspiracy" board meetings! 😂
LOL 😂
Corporate Japan for you 🫠
@@WeebJailsure....and America still uses a measurement system from the 1700s that 99% of the rest of the world moved on from decades ago.
All joking aside.....I live in Japan and I've never seen a fax machine here aside from in government offices. And that's where they are still mostly used so far as I can tell. You make it sound like the average Japanese person is actually using fax machines.....which they most certainly are not. Also.....here's a secret.....it's not just Japan. I've seen fax machines in government offices in South Korea, and in Singapore too. You know why? Because they are predominantly used to send and receive private or sensitive documents. Whether government or personal. The reason being that a fax machine can't be hacked (at least not without significantly greater difficulty) as opposed to email or the cloud. So it's seen as a security issue. When I've had to apply for work permits etc..... sensitive private paperwork that I sent to a government office was done via fax. Again......for security reasons. No one would ever be able to intercept it or get access to it from some idiot making a mistake on a network (happens many times when big companies screw up and customers private data gets compromised).
In fact there is a particular industry that uses fax machines too. The mental health care industry. Mental health hospitals/facilities still use fax machines for the exact same security/confidentiality reasons.
the fact that they made an old, on the way out camera with a dead lens mount a better investment than the brand new entry level camera still baffles me
why? Whats worse on the R100 over the EF-M cameras?
I see the R100 ofc a pretty bad decision, even the R10 or R50 are just „too bad“ for its price, but if i would have to choose between R100 and M50 Mk2 i would go for the R100: better adapters (control ring or filter adapter), RF lenses, more futureproof and better AF performance as well more modern tracking/AI stuff.
Sure enough there are some very interesting and affordable EF-M lenses not possible to use on EF or RF cameras, but just the fact that you can adapt on any EF-M or RF camera EF(S) lenses makes the biggest argument against RF not worth minding at all.
@@harrison00xXx you might have missed the part where the AI / tracking stuff isn't there. It's identical to an M50 II for autofocus
@@matthieuzglurg6015except it doesn't have a dying lens mount, so even if spec for spec it's an R50 this is better, hope this helps
It's mission is simple. To sell R50's.
All part of Canon’s cripple hammer strategy. Canon is too tight to spend the fraction of a penny for the spring to pop the built-in flash up 😂
R50 is dog shit, it got 0 value for me bcos of one factor, propetiary multi interface shoe without normal pins.
@@akhyarrayhka4048 Wow that's crazy bro. Your personal weird issues with it should definitely inform broader market views of the product's viability.
Only those two dunno canon’s strategies and keep like a lost lamb keep complaining haha
*its
sounds like Canon has successfully travelled back to 2010 and released a groundbreaking budget camera!
Not sure if this camera is appealing to smartphone users, but it does make smartphone seem appealing compare to this camera…
but any good smartphone cost twice this, and has horrible image quality, oversatured oversharpened fake bokeh, digital zoom. i would take this camera over any smartphone, iphone 14pro max, samsung fold 4, s23 ultra, etc.
@@truthseeker6804 I agree with you. I just wish Canon could have at least put a touch screen on it.
maybe the camera is meant for parents who will buy the first camera for their childs
@@truthseeker6804👏👏👏
@@GungKrisna12co za głupota. Dziecko nie wykorzysta potencjału nawet tak taniego aparatu.
Lack of USB charging kills it for me, low-end bodies are usually fine for the shooting I do but that's a quality of life feature that they almost deliberately left out.
Not almost deliberately, 100% deliberately. It's one thing that makes me lose all respect for Canon, how they go >backwards< on some launches, like not just 'not' implementing the latest features, but straight up removing features that were in previous models. Like how 6Dmk2 was given worse dynamic range and video quality than Mk1, and now blocking 3rd party lens support while a lot of users want 3rd party lenses that Canon has no equivalent for (like Sigma 14mm f1,4). Completely mind-boggling to me how they have a larger market share than Nikon while treating their customers like idiots.
That's something you would expect from Olympus, because Sony has usb charging for almost a decade.
considering they are providing a charger, i see this as a non-issue. i dont remember the last time i charged my battery in my camera.
@@truthseeker6804 ok, but just knowing i have to keep the charger around me, around trips, or else i cannot use the camera, feels like it’s 2015. No usb charging and no flip screen. Also the flash not popping up is hilarious. A 10$ film camera from Canon has that function. It’s just a gap so you can buy the next camera, aka R50 or for noobs who don’t want to buy an used but better camera for less money.
@@evo271 my $2000+ camera has no flash, and i wish it had. i can agree people should buy the r50 and not buy this. but theres really no competition for this camera at this price. unless you can find an amazing used camera deal.
The Canon 700D DSLR had touchscreen and tracking autofocus (not good but it was there) 10 years ago! That was an entry level Canon camera just like this one is.
Canon is desperately trying to stop people from buying the M50 Mk II, but they won't, not until there's an RF mount equivalent to the EF-M 22 mm f/2.0 STM. That one lens alone justifies the entire platform. The M50 Mk II with the 22 mm is the best fixed-prime lens camera currently on the market for less than $1000. And yes, I'm aware that the M50 Mk II is not a fixed lens camera. I said what I said.
Pure facts.
Canon 22mm f/2 is the real deal. So small, yet so good image quality.
I had the lens recently...... best lens ever...then canon decided to cheat customers and brought r50 and r100... now I was sure m series was dead and they were forcing customers to adopt new body and new lens system....
I sold my canon m200 and ef22 lens and moved to nikon ecosystem....
Canon made the biggest blunder this day and age where digital camera companies are facing chip shortages and recession ..
Good job canon destroy urself...
I hear nikon is doing good......
Anyway imo efmm22 lens is one of the best ever made by any company
Who buys canon anymore?
Lol. Most canon users just rock the kit zoom.
I never owned that lens although I'm aware of its good reputation.
I do own the 28mm macro though, which I like, and the 11-22mm zoom which is pretty good too (in my opinion).
Canon has a whole array of very nice EF-M lenses which they should port over to the RF-APS-C lineup for that to become an attractive platform.
But I wonder if they'll do that, or if they'll be too afraid it will eat into their full frame sales too much.
I like Canon's simplicity in the UI but to have a USB port and not bother to have the ability to charge the battery in 2023 is a massive oversight for an otherwise good introduction camera....if the M50 MK II didn't exist
And holy shit is the charger wobbling at 7:20 Or is this jsut the bad canadian power outlet design?
A camera designed to attract new users to photography, yet with with no touch screen or USB charging - both of which are unthinkable to such a target audience.
I agree that a non-charging USB is not good, but it is most likely not an oversight. It is more likely the result of a conscious decision made to lower the price of the camera. Companies make decisions like this all the time and they don't know for sure if it is the right decision until after the product hits the market.
@@TheBigBlueMarble I bought 15 usb-c charge boards from amazon for $11. At less than a buck to the general public Imagine what canon gets the chips for?
@@spyder000069 I agree, to me it's ridiculous that they left it out for what it would cost them
I think of it as a starter camera, great for photography students as a first camera
In 2016 this would have been a compelling low-end budget option.
still is compelling. considering people are still buying t7 etc.
@@truthseeker6804 No-one should buy this kind of cheap shit. It's much better to buy a used camera that at least has touch screen and USB charging.
@@fotografalexandernikolis which used camera at this price is better? state them?
@@truthseeker6804Panasonic G80
@@JimiCanRead the Panasonic g80 has smaller sensor, worse autofocus, worse in low light, low megapixel, people want their images and video in focus. and most importantly its used with probably no warranty and potential hidden problems.
In every spec I see artificial marketing limitaions.
Grip size - plastic costs nothing.
LCD FHD screen - $15?
Shutter speed - memory buffer chip - cents.
USB power controller - cents.
AF options not implemented at software level "just because" even if they are already developed
Its a decoy product to upsell R50
That's a damn sad camera, it looks made to be sold for cheap to family members looking to get someone their first camera over the holidays, when really they'd get something much better probably for cheaper (possibly even full frame, or premium APS-C) by switching going on the used market.
Future landfill material; fine if you got it as a gift, it's great for learning and simple use I'm sure, but you could get so much better for this price if you're looking to buy. (1000 with the kit lens on Canon's site)
> future landfill material
This is so true and tragic. This is a flagrant waste of resources to the point of being offensive. 😂
Honestly I wouldn't even say it's great for learning. A big part in learning the most important stuff is to remove unnecessary hassle (like having to bring a dedicated charger) and having to fiddle with buttons for things that should be done with a touch screen. This is why my highest priority advice for beginners buying their first camera are things that make learning fun and intuitive:
1. Tilt or flip screen to take photos from low or high angles. This is something you can't even do with a phone, so it's a big bonus.
2. Touch screen to make choosing focus area etc quicker.
3. USB-charging so they can just charge it with a powerbank or in the car if needed.
Those things are more important for beginners than sensor tech, lens selection and so on. The R100 lacks all of them.
@@fotografalexandernikolis True, I may have overestimated the camera, if that's possible; just don't want to knock it off completely
Someone could certainly learn with this camera, but would I recommend someone get it specifically to learn, or gift it to someone for this purpose?
FUCK no, please don't
I started on a 700D near 10 years ago, a bit more expensive but the features made it so I could use it professionally at some times (concerts, weddings, studio); I don't believe you could do that with this model.
Moral of the story, buy a 700D for like 200 bucks and it might even come with a free lens.
@@fotografalexandernikolis 1. phones dont have tilt or flip screen yet we still take photos from low angle. tilt of flip screen isnt essential for everyone.
2. most photographers dont use the touch screen to choose focus.
3. a charger is provided, USB charger is cool but not essential.
these are NOT important for a beginner and has no impact on the art of photography itself.
@@didierthesuperstar I wouldn't say its future landfill material; this is basically an RF mount version of the Canon SL3 (or 250D) or the M50mk2, and these are still usable for many. Both the SL3 and M50mk2 are considered the go to beginner cameras here in Brazil because well, they're more or less the only thing many people can afford that will do 4K and take good photos. There's plenty of professional photographers here using even cheaper cameras for stills (like the Canon T100), so I think the main issue with the R100 is the cost, the lack of lenses and the lack of a touchscreen (I don't mind it that much, but both the SL3 and the M50 have a touchscreen).
While one could indeed get a 700D for cheaper, it won't come with a warranty and it'll likely be quite worn, so that's something many will take into consideration not only when buying a camera for themselves, but especially when buying it as a gift for someone; besides, unless you manage to get the original receipt with the camera, you won't be able to insure the camera, which is fairly important over here. Just for comparison, the college I go to has some 700Ds, and some of us personally own SL3s, and the consensus is the SL3 is indeed a better camera, even our teachers agree; even if the 4K is severely limited due to that crop, it is still usable depending on lens choice, and the noise performance is much better; they're similar when it comes to photos, but the SL3 has more resolution and newer sensor technology.
Granted, I don't think this is worth it for 600 brand new; bot the SL3 and the M50 mk2 can be found for that same price, and as mentioned in the video, both have better lens catalogs. If this released for 500, then an argument could've been made for buying it instead of the older models, but still, I think Canon should push the market forward, not re-release the same cameras from 5 years ago with less features and a new lens mount, but well... I'd much rather see a drop in price for the R50 at this point.
You guys are cranking out the videos! Please don’t get burnt out.
Just checking it's not April 1st...
At least you can get loads of third party lenses for it... oh no, wait...
The EF-RF adapter is a huge positive for RF system but yea this camera is not aiming at people who are likely to be buying adapters. I imagine most will just use the 18-45 kit and never buy another.
most beginners arent buying loads of lenses. one or two is enough.
I was hoping the R100 was a replacement for the m100/200 and the 22mm f2. More and more there are signs popping up that say no professional cameras. The R100 would be forbidden, while the m100 looks like an old point and shoot and be allowed. Keep the touch screen, drop the EVF, add a pancake fast prime. The 28mm might work, but the 22 f2 is awesome.
I love the intro and theme music so much. Don't ever change it.
I've been watching videos where photography channels revisit cameras from yesteryear, and see how they hold up to today's standards.
For a minute I thought this was one of those videos...
Still sad about the passing of EF-M. I think the EOS M200 was the perfect camera for smartphone crossover. Would love to see a new take on that camera in RF mount.
Not possible. RF mount is too big and basically a full frame sensor placeholder.
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas It's big but the camera wouldn't be that much bigger, maybe a few mm taller. If you look at the M100/200, there is a lot of space around the mount.
Very honest and well done review. Good work!
I'm not sure if they cut 'too many' corners, but rather they cut the wrong corners - the lack of a touch screen in this day and age is the ommision of a bare-bones basic feature.
At the same time, for the target audience of this camera I think an EVF isn't necessary - removing the EVF instead of the touchscreen as a cost-cutting measure would have been a better overall camera IMO. (Although I suppose they might not have done that because it's cheaper to re-utilise the design of the R100...)
yeah, I think they should just put the RF mount on M200 and call it a day.
Oooooh, never thought of that! They could go for that sony a6000 series design and just sell a small add-on EVF for those who want that. Removing that toughscreen really wasn't the most clever idea i think.
an EVF is more important than a touch screen, if you take into consideration most people are buying cameras for photography first. anyone can take photography without a touch screen, using the shutter button and controls, but its not recommended to not use an EVF for photography.
@@truthseeker6804 it might be only me.. i don’t know. But for me as I use 2012 original eos m that has like 3 button to press, touchscreen-able, no evf. I live with it just fine. Shoot in head on sun condition of SEA.
But if there is no touchscreen, big no for me.
Except that this is a terrible camera to learn on because it only has one dial, with the M50 you could atleast quickly dial the settings using the touchscreen.@@truthseeker6804
Awesome review thanks Peta
There are so many options (many with higher end features despite being older) you can find very lightly used for the same price or less that would pretty much completely mog this camera in just about every way while also having much better budget lens selections as well (seems important given the price point). This seems, like the low end Rebel DSLR models of old, a sort of "baby's first proper camera" that someone who isn't a photographer might get another person who is interested in the hobby as a gift due to the attractive price off the shelf in everyday retail locations and not knowing anything else about photographic equipment, and to be fair it will still function in that role, you can easily take something like this out a handful of times and start learning basics and your preferences, flip it at a slight loss, and get something much better tailored for a particular use case. Just wouldn't be what I suggest for any of my friends starting out on account given how needlessly crippled it seems in handling + convenience, and how I think many would feel not very motivated to actually pick it up and use it often as such.
Why is this not an RF mount update to the M200? This should have been a flip up selfie LCD only, limited physical controls, touchscreen operation camera, slightly larger than an Altoids tin. Why does Canon hate their M users?
I swear if they don't bring the M6II form factor and flip up screen over to the RF mount they will have lost at least one customer.
2 reasons I can think of:
1. Canon still treats (like many other manufacturers) APS-C as an amateur line never meant to be taken seriously when compared to their full frame lineup. Look at the dedicated lenses they have (not) made for crop sensor cameras, even their EF-S line.
2 To Canon, APS-C is only useful in that it pushes people to their full frame line of cameras and lenses, which make more money. That is why the EF-M mount is interesting. It looks like they didn't think of this onboarding when designing a lens mount only wide enough to fit an APS-C sensor.
Seriously. If the intent is to create a camera for cell phone users and vloggers, trying to recreate the M200 rather than the T7 DSLR makes a lot more sense. The old EOS T7 has a worthy legacy, for what it is, but it seems out of step with today's market.
Bro I sold my m200 and 3 lenses.....moved to nikon....couldn't be more happier
@@twit_t9668 True, but honestly they can do both this and that. They can kill all the birds in one stone. Make compact flip screen cameras for the phone people who are tired of not being able to see themselves and use the good camera on the back of their phones, but don't want to carry bulky 90s SLR design around. Give us the Canon equivalent of the Olympus Pen series again. Purse powerhouse cameras for doc-street-travel-snap. There's a reason people are buying up all the X100V and Ricoh GR cameras now.
They don't need to be especially pro for this either. I'd be happy with just an M6II or M200 that I could mount new RF lenses to. They could even do the classic Canon move of selling us old tech and calling it new. 😂
@@thebitterfig9903 Exactly. Bulky SLR designs don't fit in pockets or purses. And flip up touchscreens where you can use the best lens and see yourself at the same time would crush the usability flaws of phone cameras.
The EOS M series was basically perfect except for the lack of dedicated lenses. They could literally swap out the lens mount and sell them again. I'd buy it.
The deal breaker for me is the lack of touchscreen.
also lack of flip screen.
200d is better than this
@@BimalRanabhat007It has few focus points. I think it will be good upgrade
maybe since the target is the parents who banned their childs from using smartphones
I bought one of these for my kid nephew. He loves it, because he doesn’t know any better and sees it as a serious tool akin to what the pros use. It’s more than what he needs to keep learning. And the ergonomics are a lot better (especially for his small hands) than the old ipad he’s been using to snap pictures.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this incredibly informative video!!! I just bought a brand new Canon EOS R100 from Bernie's Photo in Pittsburgh, PA. I had no idea that it couldn't do so many things; I just knew it DID do some things that my 15-year-old DSLR camera couldn't do. After watching your video, I REALLY want to exchange my camera for a Canon EOS M50 Mark II. It looks to be around the same price point as what I paid, and it looks like a much better camera. I wonder why the salesperson at Bernie's never mentioned it to me. ALSO...I don't know if Canon stopped including it, or if mine was just missing, but I didn't realize until I got home that there was no user manual inside the box! So I went online to learn more about my camera's settings, etc., and that's how I found your video. THANKS AGAIN! :-)
Excellent review. Cool Deadwood t-shirt ( 3:15 ;-)
The M50 Mark II straight up eats this thing alive for the same money lol
I have an old SL1, and this is very similar. But even the SL1 has a touch screen ...
The reason for this camera is offering an entry as cheap as canon can make it. I get it. Don't mind it, even. If you're going to take ONLY photos, and you enjoy the process with a simple camera, and you intend to stick with a small number of cheap lenses ... it does work?
It does remind me a lot of my girlfriend's 1200D, which is the camera that got me back into photography. We did take some great images with it, particularly on a holiday to Norway, but for me it was definitely a training camera before I wanted/needed something better. Then again, she says she's still very happy with it - she has much higher GAS resistance than I do seemingly
Perhaps, with it's more trad styling and lack of a touchscreen, this is less for the younger smartphone users and more for the grandparents? 🤷♂️
A used m43 camera would be a much better compact option for this price point IMO
Textbook example of the cripple hammer at work.
Now it's time to make interchangeable lens smartphone. 1" sensor with an IBIS coupled with some native primes (24,50,85mm F1.0)and zoom lenses. This would be enough to end the story of an entry level cameras.
smartphones most of the time rely on computational photography, they will use lots of processing and AI for that
Samsung did toying around back in 2013-2015 with smartphone-on-camera system, such as Galaxy NX and Galaxy S4 zoom. AFAIK, they didn't sell well. The closest today would be Sony Xperia Pro, but sadly no interchangeable lens.
And that smartphone would cost $1500+.
@@todanrg3 Funny enough, with inflation, Galaxy NX could be launched at around $2200 today (launched at $1700 in late 2013). Your $1500+ isn't that far off
As I come from a DSLR, I do not really care about most of the stuff the camera is missing. I do not need any modern autofocus and I also do not need a touchscreen, as I just use the screen for reviewing photos. The thing I would miss most is the second wheel. Would adding a second wheel really make the camera more expensive?
At that price, you can get a good second hand camera from any brand, maybe including a decent kit lens and a great upgrade path.
True. For example a used Nikon D600 or D750 and a 50 mm f/1.8. You can use all those DSLR lenses with adapter for a mirrorless one later.
This camera appears to be fairly on par with the t7 Dlsr cameras which are similar in specs and price.
It really is out there for the Uber beginner that wants something more than a smarty phone or point and shoot on a budget.
It makes sense with their prior trends for super budget cameras.
And then this is having a Canon cripple hammer without delivering any touchsceen to the smartphone users. A big joke. All other competitors are better choices, especially FUJI if you want to have small APS-C cameras with a huge collection of APS-C lenses..
I really think the lack of touch screen is a big miss for a camera marketed at folks that started with smartphone cameras that are controlled by a, yep you guessed it, a touchscreen.
Thanks. If I were looking for an entry level camera with some functionality then this is one I would have to cross off the list.
Haha, at least this decision was easy and quick to make. 😂
Can't imagine getting this over something like a fuji xt2, this one is a few years late
Respect to the guys for trying very hard to be unbiased and professional.
Sadly chaps you have failed to turn a sack of digital crap into a silk purse.
Putting a/f and tracking to one side somebody can get a used Fuji XT 30 or XT3 or XS10 and get a way better shooting experience and bigger range of glass with 3rd party options.
I left Canon because I felt they no longer were interested in photographers who weren't pros or aspiring to be so or just plain rich.
Kind of rest my case. Back in the day my 100D was a better camera with a better range of glass.
One interesting feature overlooked on the R100 is no low pass filter (at lease according to Canon). This could make the R100 an outstanding choice for astrophotography or for detailed macro photography. Combined with a speed booster and an EF to RF adapter, the R100 becomes a compelling option for an affordable kit with the enhancement of no low pass filtering. Ironically the R50 does re-introduce the low pass filter.
I agree we need more lenses for RF-S, but 50mm f1.8, 28mm f2.8 and 16mm f2.8 are all small as a crop lens would be and in the same price ballpark (especially used).
With the exception of the 50, they are also dark as the night and awkward focal lengths on canon's 1.6x crop. Where are the compact 22 and 32 F1.4?
@@problemat1que f2.8 is "dark as night"? 16mm (=25mm) and 28mm (=45mm) are "awkward"? I agree crop specific lenses are better, but these are far from bad solutions for APS-C in the meantime.
@@problemat1quemaybe you want f/1.4 aperture lens in lower price
It's interesting to see a review of a camera that was obviously made for the 'bottom shelf' instead of all the new flagship or otherwise high end models.
it's crazy that a 5 year old camera (m50) is as good, or even better than a new Camera. I used the m50 a lot and for beginners it's perfect, because the ef-m Lenses (also 3rd party lenses) are pretty cheap and also very good. And if you use a cheap ef to ef-m Adapter (I bought one for 20 bucks with AF-functions) you can also use all the great ef and ef-s lenses with the camera.
the EF-M 22mm F2 is one of the best Budget Lenses you can get. Also the m50 is an absolute beast with the EF-S 55-250mm f4-5.6 IS STM.
You can also adapt EF glass to RF cameras…
But yeah, the R100 is bullsh*t, same goes for R50 and R10.
I wonder how many people there are with shoestring budgets who flatly refuse to buy used gear. Imagine getting this over a Fuji X-T2, Olympus E-M1 II, or Sony A6400.
Your comment hit me especially hard considering I actually ditched my entire Nikon DX DSLR system for an X-T2. Can't imagine replacing a D7000 with this camera. Especially with how tragically slow the zoom lens in the RF series are compared to even the Canon DSLR lens lineup, much less the existing mirrorless offerings by other companies.
Well, I see this camera as a more or less perfect start into photography for my 6 years old dauther. I mean it is easy to use, has a great zoom range with the 18-150mm lens for landscapes, flowers, zoo, etc… Facedetection for sharp images of mom, dad, grand parents and so on. Even a hot shoe for using dads studio flash 😊
The only problem: it is from Canon, as I am OM-1 user hoping for an OM-10 😁
Hot shoe without the central pin, hope your studio flash is Canon brand
It's a camera neant to be used in semi auto or fully automatic settings, it's a freaking toy with a very low ceiling, just to entice you into buying a more expensive camera.
that's so cute, the camera does seem easy enough to handle, good luck if you proceed with the purchase
@@DJKHOTTA calling it a freaking toy is a bit overkill, it's a bit like a point and shoot, definitely not intended for people willing to take photography seriously
What hand grip is being used in this video? In the market for one that's light and durable. Thanks!
The comparison to the SL series DSLRs is very real, but as an owner of the SL1 which has a touchscreen, the lack of touchscreen is truly a failure. but the r100 does make a great candidate for my switch to mirrorless.
What bag are you using in this video? Thanks
I pretty much never use the touchscreen on my OM-1, so I don’t think I’d miss that. Granted, the Canon touch implementation seems to be a lot better, but even so, I almost never think to do anything by touch. Coming straight from a smartphone without having used a proper camera before though, people will be expecting that.
I just generally don’t like any products that are made deliberately cheap and less effective. Along with any kind of planned obsolescence (not that I doubt the longevity of this particular camera that much). I think at this stage of the climate crisis especially, we need to only make high quality things that are necessary and built to last.
These types of new entry mirrorless cameras are actually why I see so many older Canon Rebel and entry DSLR models on people around the city. Newer photographers see them as a much better value.
Touch screen is a must to have in this entry device.
in europe this thing is priced way too high. you can get a jused z5 for the same price
is it meant to replace 4 digit series (like 1500D, or 3000D)?
No touchscreen is an issue, I agree, for the target market. Lens choice I don't agree - anyone buying this body is not going to be concerned about the number of lenses available. And when I've sold a few of these units, most customers are absolutely fine with the video specs - video is an occasional perk, not a regular need. As far as this being out of line with the progress on mirrorless technology in general, again, most beginners couldn't care less about that. They are looking for their first camera, and this is heads and tails above my first camera - the Yashica TL Electro.
It will be interesting to see the sales figures for this camera 12 months following release. If asked to do so, I would be unable to say what group this camera is aimed at. Canon designers cannot be so naive as to believe people will move from an iPhone 13/14 or Android equivalent for this, surely? My 7 year old grandson is so tech savvy (aren't they all), he would not touch this with a bargepole. It would like giving him a Sony Walkman.
Nice review. I’m just waiting for the apsc primes.
You can get an E-M1 Mark II used for the price of this camera. A professional grade camera with second to none build quality, good phase detect AF, 10fps mechanical burst (15 without continuous af) w/ 50+ raw+jpg buffer, proper 4K video, still one of the best IBIS implementations today, an articulating screen and a fantastic AND reasonably priced lens ecosystem…and on top of that, it’s the same physical size (heavier due to better build). Or a new E-M10 IV, which only loses the “pro” features. There isn’t even a real IQ advantage over m4/3 at this sensor size. It’s very hard to see the point of this one. If you want to save money, buy used. This isn’t inexpensive, it’s just cheap.
I'd like to see an R version of the M100/M200 (probably with a left-aligned EVF in addition)
Will someone please explain what is this Noct that is regularly mentioned? Wikipedia says that "Noct is Nikon's trademark for its largest-aperture camera lenses". I can go on guessing but I prefer to ask.
Tia
AFAIK its an injoke they've carried over for ages. Nocts are considered quite large and heavy lenses, and so having some tiny mirrorless be a fraction of the lenses weight is kinda amusing.
Indeed. It was a long-standing joke (from DPReview era), and it was based on Nikkor 58mm F0.95, which is officially weighing at 2kg. I think they did talk about how it did come about in a podcast here somewhere as well as when they review that Nikkor 58mm.
Yes. This makes sense 🙂 Thank you both for explaining. Cheers guys
this vs fujifilm xt1 which one should i pick?
Was thinking of taking a totally new to camera person?
Still not sure if it would beat the M50..
can we have budged version of X100/GR3?
It must be a tough job for the R100 engineers to dumb down all the great technologies and produce such a crappy toy. The same goes to those engineers who worked on the slow RF-S zoom lenses. Got to be one of the least rewarding jobs in Canon.
Which RF lenses you talk about?
RF-S 18-150 might be „slow“ but its an AWESOME lens…. super light and small, yet 18-150mm, very good stabilized and also sharp enough wide open so no need to stop down further.
The 18-45mm is a joke, sure enough, but lets be honest, anything below the R10 is already a pretty big joke and even the R10 is…. well the real „entry level“ camera for the lowest needs.
Also, as much of a joke the 18-45 seems… it sounds still like an awesome „always on camera“ lens for most needs and its really small. Its just too expensive in my opinion, same for the 18-150mm in RF mount.
@@harrison00xXxthey only want us to buy their flagship cameras
If you're starting in photography, this camera has more than enough features. A Canon 100D from 2013 has more than enough too.
But a used DSLR with better specs costs a lot less. What's the point to buy a R100?
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonasсразу несколько усовершенствований в основном картинка + видео + общая скорость + не нужно менять затвор или ремонтировать шестерни в ближайшие годы + тишина для улиц. Это удобно, но часто это лишнее для творчества, а вот для работы и экономии времени - всё это пригодится
For a little walk-around camera, I enjoy using my PowerShot G5X Mark II. Unlike this thing, you get really fast glass right off the rip with a 24-120mm equivalent lens at f/1.8-2.8, tilt touchscreen, wide ISO range, popup EVF, and you can even charge it with your phone charger. The R100 on the other hand just seems like more of a starter body where the system has not been built up around it and it's just searching for a purpose when everything from five years ago has passed it by.
I think this camera is not meant to be sold at all… its part of an upselling strategy to force customers at least to the R50. But the R50 is already that bad and expensive at the same time that you look towards the R10, but well… the R7 give more value for the money than the R10 so many people go at least for the R7, better R6 II or R8.
I was also looking for a camera below 1000€/$… i enjoyed a lot the EOS RP (i think the way to go btw compared to the R100!) but sadly i switched then to video and wildlife something the RP is absolutely not made for.
As much i wanted to stay below 1k, the R7 was for example the only viable option then (and somewhat of an upgrade). R10 was too bad and expensive for its performance, R50 not released and anyways too bad,…
Hell, i even had a fair priced 2nd hand R6 and i nearly loved it (low light monster and night vision capable with a 1.4 lens), but 20MP, overheating, some software bugs,… i just sold it again before the prices go down.
I thought this was about 300€. At 600, this is going to be a hard sell. If you really want one, buy it used in a year for half the price.
Or choose m200 but now?
I've heard that many Canon R-series cameras have severe problems like the R5 und R6 models. Many users complain those cameras have freezing / lock-up issues, the hot shoe on the camera comes loose or falls off or the cameras are overheating with video recording. Quality control at Canon goes down.
Nonsense, i had the RP, R6 and now the R7. None of these cameras had any freezing/lock up issues
Its all user error and connection issues (like the battery grip issue on R5/R6)
I was shocked that there was no touch screen. I was disappointed that the screen wasn't articulating, but when I saw that it also didn't have a touch screen - that was the deal breaker. I believe those two features would have encouraged some smart phone users to give this camera a try, but those missing features are just too much for many to make the leap from smart phone to this camera.
Between the R100 , R50 and the lumix G7 , which one would you recommend?
Thank you 🙏
considering the lens options out of all, the G7. theres so few lenses for the RF-S right now. sure youll lose good autofocus but you can potentially go up from the G7 to other micro4/3 bodies while keeping your lenses 😄
@Peta pixel- I am looking to buy a Camera urgently and I have two option right now. The old Famous sony nex 7 and newer Fuji XA7. Which one do you think is a better camera ? Since you guys reveiwed both cameras please let me know urgently.
The NEX-7 had truly unique handling, and if you enjoy how the camera feels, it may be worth going that way. However, the X-A7 is a better performer in nearly every category, as it is a much more recent body.
-Jordan
I have a large investment in Canon glass and DSLR bodies. Canon's delay on going mirrorless drove me to other manufacturers such as Panasonic, Fuji, and even Olympus, and when they did finally go mirrorless their first full frame was deliberately handicapped, one card, no way to back up RAW while you use it. So, I didn't buy, then when the R5 came out the price seemed excessive and it was late to the game, so, I skipped it. Now they won't do 3rd party glass. For me, for what I do, I am just going to stick with much more affordable Canon DSLR's that I have and the EF mount for full frame. For mirrorless, full frame, I am not certain I will go with Canon, it may be that Fuji is more than sufficient. I mean I did buy a mirrorless Canon, the M5? But the thing was they made no effort for lenses for it. Fuji goes in serious ways where others do not, first in aps-c and then in the medium format, albeit a tad on the mini side.
It's hard to be a fanboy of any brand these days, hell, even Oreo cookies are made in Mexico and brand propositions generally are in severe decline, often due to self-inflicted stupidity by overpaid Harvard graduates who check a box. Stupid things ruin value and brands.
Mounting EF lenses on Fuji bodies with the fringer pro ii adapter is very fun, you get an aperture ring and it has room for Fuji's 1.4x TC so your 50 becomes a 70 (105mm equivalent), your cheapo EF-S 60 macro becomes a respectable 84mm for more subject distance, or your 200 becomes a 280 (420 equivalent) for example.
That grainy black and white goes hard.
I was debating which one to get between R50 and R100, R50 was $699 and the R100 was $499 both kit setup, so what i did was get to get the R100 and the RF 50mm 1.8 for the price of R50, having touch screen and articulating screen doesn’t make my photo nice but the lenses do 😊
Should compare it to the E-M10 IV. Of course the Olympus is more expensive so maybe for price, it needs to be compared to the R50.
Isn't a used any other camera a better consideration? No touch or flip screen. On top of canons love for apsc. M6 markii owner here. Second camera was an old used a7rii, fiddly but it can take a nice picture. I don't see a plethora of lenses incoming for this thing.
and you are stuck in the R mount. Is there any glass in the R mount that cost less than the body of this camera?
RF 50 1.8, probably one of the best lenses in the R system to be honest (price/performance wise)
or RF 85 is also not too bad, tho its getting expensive already.
Sadly those lenses fit the best on the really interesting deals you get at canon mirrorless actually: the mighty EOS RP!
Good job Canon. Selling $500 camera toward smartphone user without touch screen. Someone has to test this vs phone computational photo app, I think i will still choose phone
No touchscreen is a major fail to this. I wont even consider it. I was looking at it to replace my Canon SL1 which is the same simple type of camera that I love to drop into the saddle bags on my Harley and go. Was hoping this would be the next camera but not without the touch screen. Stupid Canon doing stupid Canon things....
Yeah. That omission is retarded considering how good all the other implementations are and given the target audience.
I wonder how many people really utilize the touch screen though? I constantly forget the my Nikon has a touchscreen even though it's implemented very well.
@@thisisbenji90 agreed. touch screen is getting overrated in this comment section because it was emphasized in the video. most photographers dont even use the touch screen.
@@truthseeker6804 Most do. I think you are projecting your own weird usage patterns onto the bulk of the market.
@@POVwithRC how many photographers use a touch screen when taking a photograph? most photographers have their face to the viewfinder and taking a picture. most sony cameras dont even have touch menus. sure if you use the sony fx3 you dont have a viewfinder to begin with, but even so, you have a shutter button.
again the point is, most photographers dont use the touch screen. this is not a debate.
Even the back directional pad isn’t a dial. Pretty much every directional pad is a dial as well, even for an inexpensive compact fixed-lens camera. I don’t know what’s happening here.
I bought a Pana GX80/85 for the same price, with three lenses (12-32, 35-100 and 25/1.7), three years ago. It has a touch screen, USB charging, more buttons, a better UI, good stabilization, etc. I really dont get the point of this in 2023...
Yea this is a camera designed to get the money off soccer moms who wandered in to the local bulk techstore. You can get a used g9 for 200€ cheaper than what this Canon costs here in Finland and that's on a whole other level of camera.
The RF 50mm, 35mm macro, 85mm and the new 28mm lens should work perfect, and none of these are expensive. Lack of touch screen and back dial is not a good thing. I would recommend going up a notch or two and getting the DigiX and touchscreen...
So they released a mirrorless D3300
Might appeal to old people and I'm not saying it in a bad way
I wish you showed us a bit of eye af performance. I don't expect it to be good but it would be nice to see
Why does 'affordable' always mean 'you don't even deserve my spit in your face, plebian' with these cameras?
The Hammer strikes again. having USB charging would have saved Canon a significant amount over having to manufacture and bundle a mains charger with the thing.
every camera has a mains charger. thats the recommended way to charge a camera battery as written in every manual. most people charge their battery with such chargers not in camera. most cameras cant even charge the battery in camera. you can charge one battery whilst using the camera.
@@truthseeker6804 Sony has used a USB charger, where the charger itself is just a tiny box with a mains cable on one end and a USB output to the camera on the other, at least on the A6000 and contemporary cameras.
This reminded me of my first camera, the Canon t2i. Honestly, I'd still take the t2i.
I recently got into photography and all I have is an M50 with the kit lens. I don't want to invest money into EF glass since RF is newer and more up to date so I'm considering selling it and buying the R100. I know its a complete downgrade spec wise but If I want to purchase a more heavy-duty/professional R series camera I won't have to worry about adapters and the lenses. Do you guys think its reasonable in my situation to buy this?
The RF system is unreasonable in general as long you are not sure if you ever want to upgrade to a better R camera.
I made the mistake that i bought a EOS RP (full frame) since i was annoyed by APS-C and its noise level at ISO 800 and above. I mean i even enjoyed the RP a lot, especially for astrophotography (most astrophotography programs connect easily to the RP to control it), but in the end i realized full frame and video capabilities or even just fast shooting will be still reserved for rich people so i „downgraded“ to APS-C again with the R7 (a MUCH BETTER camera)
Go get some EF glass and a Meike EF RF Filter adapter, at best with the additional 40$ C-PL filter (i paid 190€ for the Adapter +clear + C-PL + V-ND, something you pay at Canon like 700€!)
The thing is…. RF glass maybe make sense when it comes to compact primes (RF 50, RF35) or limited zoom (RF S 18-45 for super compact and light, 18-150 for still compact yet universal lens,…), but its for example hard to beat many EF lenses.
I personally use often a good old EF-S 17-55 2.8 Canon, sure enough its as big and even heavier than the 18-150 RF-S, but its consistent 2.8 aperture, still good autofocus speed and precision and very usable stabilizer… its cheaper and better than the 18-150 for example.
Or whats another nice thing (on my R7 with IBIS at least): any older unstabilized EF lens from about 20-150mm…. IBIS makes them better stabilized than the average OIS from lenses of a similar generation. Only below 20mm and above about 200mm IBIS gets somewhat unnecessary or at least very uneffective.
For example my loved and „cheap“ 50mm and 100mm macro lenses are incredible stabilized.
I wanted once also get into the RF system, and i really LOVED the EOS RP + RF 50 1.8 (super compact yet performing awesome!), but let me repeat: RF lenses make sense as long you really go for light and small (and mainly short/light primes), any bigger zoom lens or bigger lens in general and you are fine with EF as well.
The sarcasm is strong in this review! 😂
There's so many old flagships from 5 or so years ago that can be had for in and around the same price as this that I just don't see the point
This is the 'R' system version of the "T" budget SLR. When markets values get down to about $200-300, I predict it will become trendy product and Everyone under 25 years old will want one.
I guess this is fine as people still buy the canon rebel t7 brand new, no touch screen, no usb charging, etc. This is better than that camera but not by a huge margin
What were Canon thinking. What a croc. Think I'd rather have a bridge camera as a step up from a smartphone, or pay more if I wanted a serious camera. I just don't see the appeal for many people here. ATB MMMD
Chris and Jordan in 2015: The XC10 may well be the worst camera we've ever reviewed from a major manufacturer. At least Canon can't possibly ever produce anything this bad again.
Canon Engineers: Challenge accepted!
No touch screen makes no sense at all. Very odd
Finally, a good review, and I will not be settling for this camera.
Regards,
E. Doza M.D.
The Canon M100/M200 had a touchscreen. The R100 should have had one too. Smartphone users, the target audience, are used to having a touchscreen, so the R100 not having one is a big deal.
Good idea, not so good implementation. I mean, there are really 2 things a new camera winning over smartphone users: A touchscreen and a selfie screen. Both not available here. How much more would this cost to implement? At least a touchscreen is not much more expensive than what was used.
The killer for me is the single dial and 60hz EVF. This is a cheap camera, we get it, but those two corners cut would make using it a painful experience. Sure beginners may not need/notice it, but it'll become a handicap sooner than later. I personally think a budget camera should at least not compromise on being a well functioning camera, case and point Pentax K1000.
Yeah, the single dial combined with the lack of touchscreen seems like an ergonomic disaster. Somehow the manual controls look more clunky than shooting manual on my point-and-shoot Sony ZV1 because you have to repeatedly hit the same button to choose the selected control on this camera. It's surely not difficult to find a better used camera at this price point.
They could atleast make a shortcut button for the the manual controls, instead of having to cycle through with a single button...
Even my old 350d from 2005 has this, you just hold a button while dialing to change the apperture, and if you don't hold it changes the shutter speed.
Most mid range phone users I know look to upgrade to a flagship (near flagship) phone first. Later they may look to get a dedicated camera but the thing is a camera like the R100 won’t feel like an upgrade vs an iPhone for example, in fact the money would probably be better spent on something like an Olympus Omd EM10 mk 3 or 4. That would have better handling, better lens choice and probably overall better video.
I’d honestly pick the Canon M100 over this R100 at least that’s compact enough to be an EDC plus it had a flip up screen too. Is the R100 a candidate for Worst Camera of the year?
The R100 is for sure not meant to be sold that much. Its existence is to make the R50 and R10 more attractive.
Its also called upselling and especially Apple is the best at it (actually)