Watch our factory tour playlist from the previous visit in prep for this one! th-cam.com/video/XD5U3JZNVuk/w-d-xo.html Show notes: www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3562-hw-news-amd-zen-3-rdna2-ampere-80-core-cpu
Any Chance you can go by Sapphire and see the gpus being made and some of their motherboards? BTW: I know you shouldn't have too but please remind your audience to wash their hands often. You don't need a pocket full of alcohol wipes to stop the spread of HUMAN MALWARE. I think you can help calm the public down with rational precautions. If you feel sick stay home. I hope you know what I mean Steve. Love your work as always.
Gonna need to reupload this? When you scrolled it removed the censor Human Malware and put the actual name (when you were showing the TH-cam tweet, Time: 3:20).
Due to aggressive early response HuMal19 spread was largely contained in Taiwan so I feel better about you guys being there than elsewhere. That said, stay alert! Love your Channel, etc etc.
Taiwan simply seems more likely to have been spared like most south est asian countries which are enjoying some tropical/sub-tropical climate, heat seems to be a huge break for the spreading of the human malware, the low numbers of cases in Central Africa seems to also confirm that theory...
Don't use bleep sounds. Use some other random sounds to cover swear words. There's a youtuber using the sound of an A-10 Warthog gun sound to "bleep" swear words. Use a sound clip of Snowflake meowing. 😁
I would prefer whatever noise could be found that would be the most grating and disturbing to the listener. Censorship is disgusting and it should have unpleasant immediate consequences just as its longterm consequences are unpleasant. Maybe max volume white noise or a blood-curdling scream or a babies cry.
Question for overclockers: 1) Power quality going into the PSU - do you use a UPS or do you try for a power supply with a perfect sine-wave for that extra stability (less shock to components and those small details all stack up). 2) CHIP Design - if they had a chiplet design in which the chiplets stacked vertically along the chip plane and stuck up as fins providing a larger cooler area that would enable cooling upon both sides of the processing chips - would they be something that would make a big difference? Indeed if you was to design a chip for cooling - what would you like - micro-heat pipes running between the chiplets? 3) Peltiers - do they have a place in cooling radiators? 4) Should there be a record for overclocking that entails it running for a week or month unaided - truly test out overclocking achievements and in a way that would be classed as use-case stable over achieving it for a single run of a single benchmarks - rinse repeat. 5) Case designs - vertical or horizontal motherboard layouts? How much of a difference do they make upon heat dissipation for aircooled systems as in - if you was to put your tower on the side - would it cool slightly better due to thermal radiation rising up and who wants their GPU thermalling towards your CPU or the CPU thermalling over the memory.
You can't put chips on one of their side because they have electrical connections on all sides! I guess you could try to route them all on one side if that doesn't cause signal delay problems... but that would still be very fragile!
Not much of an overclocker but have done power supply engineering... 1. I'd stick with a power conditioner. If you really want to be exotic, find a power supply that will go down to DC and try to feed it DC (probably DIY full wave bridge rectifier with big honkin' capacitor (ideally with some form of cap-choke-cap filter, bit I don't think you'll ever get enough inductance). DC power supplies aren't exotic, but the DC source might be. 2. That would break. Those connections on the pins a *tiny*. 3. Peltiers are a dead end, and I think this channel (if not, try tech ingredients) proved it. They are insulators, so they at least double the power draw... 4. Too much power draw. And there isn't enough difference between a full test suite (at least check if your math is right) and long term stability (obviously not true for long term use, but you shouldn't lose that much speed. And in the end, you are paying a lot in both power draw and burning up chips to use that last few percent anyway). 5. Anything as long as the radiators are outside the case (might want to move the power supply as well).
For pure sine wave you dont need ups, you just need filter as close to psu as possible, that filters out harmonics in the line, preferably rated for 10A at least. Much cheaper too.
Genuine question for the OCers: "Do you see extreme overclocking as a progress-making endeavor, or simply a method of testing the engineering stability of a board/chip? If the former is the case, in what ways do you see extreme overclocking beneficial to the components' design or production?
@Pseudo Soul I had the feeling that it's basically just PC drag racing- a lot of work to have the best 6 seconds you can and it's got no practical use. However I'm curious as to someone like Kingpin's answer since he does work on designs with a company and theoretically his OCing work has had some effect on the design of products he's worked on outside of "slap a bigass cooler on it."
Been running OC'd custom water cooled builds for 17 years. I just see it as a way to get absolutely all the value out of my money that I can. Buying top-end chips has never made sense to me, when I've almost always been able to buy a tier or two below top-end and end up with better performance than the top-end at significantly less cost with a huge OC. So I guess you could call that a "progress-making endeavor," or maybe I'm just a cheap SOB. The few times I've ran LN2/CO2 is largely just for entertainment, and seeing how stupidly high I could get crappy chips to clock.
Q for pro OCer - "what do you find more exciting / or a challenge - getting another 10MHz or top score on existing HW or getting new HW and blasting new records across the board?"
I mean, it depends obviously... getting another 10mhz could mean getting top score... Records with new gear obviously easier if you're first to scene...
Belagerungsmörser the Sheep Its 200% times more deadly than any flu we know of today. Most of todays governments are broken anyway because they let the sheeple be on the same level as us. We’re all just waiting for them to fall so we can be in charge anyway and cut through all the PC BS we see today.
@@GamersNexus I have some questions(or suggestions?) for the tech market episode,last time you guys are here you talk about the price been pretty much the same to US pricing,but I think that is due to the way we shop here. Haggle is a big part of been a pc enthusiast here in Taiwan, pretty much all the shop expect enthusiast to haggle ,and they know if you did some prep work,and are here to buy not just to look around,you will just walk out to the other shop if the price is not good. So if you act like a enthusiast that did some prep work, the price they give will be very different from the price they give to normal people and tourist (no offense,but like you guys) In short,They will not scam you,but you wouldn't get any good deal either
Question to Pro OCers: "Do you know if at ultra high LN2 overclocks quantum effects play a role? Could it be that extremely low temperatures improve maximum frequency, because there is less interference because of quantum effects?" Also a simplier question, "what is a typical die temperature during maximum overclocks? On most videos people say that builtin sensors stop working and we can only measure temps on the bottom of the pot and the back of the socket. But do you have predictions of what die temperature is?"
@@laharl2k That is why we always get improvements with lower temps, but I wonder if with such small transistor sizes and at very low temperatures can we also see an effect of quantum effects
@@jacekjagosz What lahar said IS a quantum effect; ultra-low thermal energy tries to shove internal magnetic lines outside of the object; therefore leading to lesser resistance and higher overclocks; it is a quantum effect. Also, quantum electron tunneling effects present upper-bound voltage issue with near-naught-kelvin nano-scale components and/or high overclocks.
Well first of all the normal CPU architecture won't behave as a quantum CPU (see quantum computing), as a second point the temperature of LN2 is much too high as quantum computing is mostly superconductor based nowadays, and that happens just above absolute zero. So quantum computing would rather need liquid helium, rather than liquid nitrogen.
@@tarron3237 Well he tried not getting demonitized but might be now cus of that so i think it would be stupid to risk it which lead me to belive it was a woopsi
QUESTION: There are so many voltages and tweaks which can be made on Ryzen (currently own 1600 @ 4.05Ghz with ASUS B350-F board), my question is: can more detailed information please be provided on how to optimise overclocking using some of the more obscure voltage settings ? Hope this is clear enough. Including tweaks for memory stability at higher clocks. Thanks in advance.
@@jonathanjohnson2112 Base CPU voltage is 1.375v. With LLC on extreme it spikes to 1.39v, anything above 4.05ghz it doesn't matter the voltage (I've tried 1.4v keeping LLC on extreme so spiking to 1.415v...would like to avoid going over 1.4v if possible. Tbh the board does have quite a lot of OC features compared to some other b350 boards...I have many other voltage parameters/offsets I can tweak but I haven't dared to touch too much cuz there isn't anywhere I can find decent information about what they do. did have to buy low frequency ram (was during those crazy ram prices) so I got 2400mhz boosted to 2966mhz (tweaked the ohms too) and with tightened timings as well (memtest ran for approx 8hrs with no errors). Got a beefy aircooler too so thermals isn't an issue.
I can't speak for the pros, as I'm not one. That said, when I was into overclocking (Dice, LN2) my daily driver was a stable, relatively slow, factory laptop. The last thing I wanted was an unstable machine lol
I have been into LN2 in the old i7 days but I always test my daily PC to make it stable and of course oc it if possible as I always pay extra for PSU/Motherboard/Coolers as those are required when ocing. For my intel chips I always oc as they are my gaming rigs. For my current daily which is a 2950x with a custom loop, I find it better to undervolt and use 8 cores only when gaming/daily use (1.2v 4.3ghz), and keep it stock for rendering/editing as stability is vital.
WOW the quality of this video / camera is off the charts , Great lighting . clear , focused . Absolutely stunning whoever is the camera guy ! A bit soft / blur on the focused face of Steve but besides that great
A quick question, have you managed to look into the L1D cache attacks that AMD CPUs are vulnerable to? Researchers have found some new vulnerabilities in AMD processors going all the way back to 2011, but AMD don't seem to be worried about them, and seem to me to be a little blasé about the situation. From my understanding is that they require the exploitation of other already patched vulnerabilities in order to make use of them, and because of this AMD have yet to assign CVE codes to them, and don't intend to patch them, at least for now.
I think it would be awesome to see AMD make a version of their "APU" that has on-board memory. Think of an all AMD version of the Intel 8705G that would socket into consumer motherboards and actually be able to be purchased as a component in a build. Just curious, I suppose, but would anyone else be interested in this?
@@SuperRandykid Hell yea. But, I think it would be better as an actual CPU component. I would like to be able to socket it into a MoBo of my choice in my own case, etc.
Great topic coverage and I Love the time bars for each topic in your overlay 👍 You are the most professional tech journalist I've ever seen. I also want to add, I also enjoy your in depth OC and modification knowledge and break-dows as well. I wish AMD would drop speciffic news about Vermeer. We want Zen3 HEDT chips news.
For the OC - "Do you have simulation software that you use when you conceptualize something, or do you go straight to the hand drafting and prototyping?"
This has already been my concern. If you damage the chip and have to buy a new one, then is it really worth doing the overclocking? To be specific, by damage, I mean normal long-term usage degrades the chip sooner than later because of the hotter running temps, and not the initial overclocking work breaking the chip on day one. How many months/years of life do you take away from a chip by running it allot hotter than normal? Same question for the motherboard too, now that I think about it more.
I think that in less extreme cases overclocking is great. Taking a 3600 to the 3600x clocks for example is worth it. but getting that same 3600 to 4.5 ghz is not. also most modern motherboards will auto shut off if things get a little to spicy.
Depends on the chip and the platform. You obviously need an aftermarket cooler and some relatively beefy motherboard to eliminate the limiting factors other than silicon lottery. When buying new, you obviously have to pay quite a bit more for a decent board, and newer chips especially ryzen doesn't have too much room to oc anyways. However, if you are buying some 'old' i7 now you should always try to oc as decent motherboards aren't that pricey anyways.
@@CosmicCleric Running a chip hotter killing it sooner is a myth that hasn't been true for a long time. The Tjunction Max is what it is for a reason. Want to run your CPU at 90C all the time, go for it. Quadro and Radeon Pro cards don't even turn their fans on until 90C. And the idea that the CPU vs GPU architecture giving it better tolerance is BS, we're talking about the limits of the physical silicon, not the logic. TSMC and Intel have slightly different tolerances, which is evidenced in their different Tjunction Max.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Follow up question for learning purposes. Cards and motherboard will throttle down and/or shutdown at certain temp thresholds, so the manufacturers worry about temps damaging the product at some point. Having said that, are you saying that running hardware at just below threshold temps will not affect the life of the hardware vs running hardware far below the threshold temps?
12:15 while I know this clip was showed in reference to part of the script, I had to do a double take to see it wasn't B-roll footage of B-roll footage. I would applaud the efficiency nonetheless.
Question for the pro OC folks: "I am extremely interested in overclocking, but lack the funds to provide myself with OC-able PC parts which makes it very challenging to get any real world XP in this field. How can i best spend my time learning about overclocking while having no way to generate hands-on XP? You all had to start somewhere, was there a singular resource which really opened your eyes or provided the biggest leap in understanding outside of your own testing?" Thank you GN for the consistent quality of your videos, data, testing methodology, and reporting. O7
18:30 sorry but am I missing the point in this? All it is doing is extending the length of cables because instead of hiding them under/inside the PSU shroud.. you now have a large spirit level shaped object with cables coming out of it; and therefore making it even more untidy! I guess it's only useful if you have a PSU you like the look of and what to show off outside a PSU shroud.
Well for my 2500k ran it at 4.4ghz on air for about 8yrs, then this year had to drop it 4.2ghz coz it would cause blue screens. So I'd expect the overclock on and avg 5yr lifespan to be negligible
It's CPU to CPU. Variable. I had an old AMD Thuban 6 core that I hammered with 1.6+ volts under LN2...a lot. I passed it onto a friend who just retired it this year. He ran it for like 5 years after I tried to kill it, lol. Also, I had an i7 920 that I only hammered on one time under LN2...it was never right after that day. And this went both ways...Intel and AMD CPUs.
For possible overclockers segment. What is the effects of AMD's 7nm chiplet on 14nm die. Does the 14nm die restrict data flow or increase heat as the number of CPU cores increase(Threadripper)? Any other advantages or drawbacks for overclocking in workstations?
(QUESTION) For the overclockers, How much influence of what you do filters down to the lower end motherboards or GPU's? I know it adds to the upper end but what about mid to low end, Thanks!
AMD announced back in like 2017 they’d stick with AM4 through 2020, but that doesn’t mean they’re automatically going to switch to AM5 in 2021 or that there won’t be any cross compatibility, but that’s the sort of thing we can’t really speculate on. So guessing at nm sizes to a socket which are totally unrelated isn’t really helpful.
@@radicalxedward8047 agreed, dont think process and socket has any correlation but I am sertin that the 4000 series is the last gen for am4 think amd actually confirmd that in a presentation I watched.
Microsoft should assign a maximum budget for each employee all the way up to and including the c-suite based on their tasks and having them selecting machines individually to have some diversity for testing. Also force updates before general availability on all those machines. (intentionally having a random low percentage skipping a few rounds of updates to discover issues stemming from that) It might help them put out stable releases for once and regain some trust among their customers. Or maybe don't get rid of the QA department in the first place.
Questions for #askOCers: -- What generation of CPU/GPU has been the most _fun_ to overclock? -- What's the highest BCLK overclock you've ever gotten? -- Considering that you're the experts in this field, how often do you learn/discover something completely new?
Q: -If there is anything, what annoys you? What does one have to keep in mind when describing the job? -Is there something you used to forget about a lot? How easy was it to get used to doing/not doing said thing?
@@ShainAndrews Your inexplicable need to waste your time, writing content like this, that is neither fun, nor informative, nor of any other use for the community is only confusing me, dontcha worry. Anyways, youre on the ignored list from now on as youve proven yourself as a pure waste of time and i deem you of no use from further on. Have fun building walls to talk to, ill just resort to further exploring the world and its people - you dont know what that is, google it up - and enjoying my flowering, productive years, as they are worth more than investment of time in crude creatures like you, probably a slip of gods hand. Bye, fella! :)
Great video thank you. I was very impressed with the Seasonic part of the video I like this idea a lot. It was also great to hear that AMD is pretty much on coarse with their CPU & GPU's. About the Human malware and YT it is good to see that they may be changing their status on that it seems rather strange no one is allowed to mention it in videos for fear of not making any money because of it. I do see why they may have taken this stance because of all of those that might take advantage of it and spread miss information about the Human Malware issue. All you have to do is go and look at regular media and see how they are putting out a lot of miss information about this. Heck this past weekend our local big store went from having lots of toilet paper in stock to pretty much almost non because the media was spreading lot of fud and it got people all scared and then they started over reacting and buying every roll of TP they could find as well as a lot of other things as well.
questions for pro OC'ers: 1: What causes cold bug? 2: Have you ever killed hardware through a non-extreme OC? 3: Why is kingpin the only one(that I've seen) with a roboclocker? 4: does epyc rome still have the bug that lets you OC it, and if so what are your thoughts on zombiemodded server motherboards?
Question: As a professional overclocker, what is your personal though on processors being closer to their max frequency (on air) out of the box compared to how it was several years ago?
As a non-overclocker and air-only cooler, I'd say I get much better value out of the box than would have been the case several years ago, all other things being equal (which, of course, they certainly are not, thanks to AMD!). I too would be interested to hear a pro's thoughts.
@@johnm2012 I started Overclocking 5-6 years ago and sure, in a way it is a nice feeling, knowing you can with knowledge unlock more performance. At the same time automation is nice and if my processor does it for me, I won't complain. I also like that everyone can get better performance, that it is not behind a knowledge wall.
Q for OC: Do you see Ryzen top the charts in FS and/or TS on Ln2 soon, or is Intel still too far ahead in clockspeed? Also, the major issue for Intel seems to be the lithography challenges - what similar challenges (if any) is holding AMD back? We here a lot about Intel being stuck and AMD just charging ahead (while still topping Ln2 results), so for you guys, with your work, what does AMD need to work on to improve their rakings?
Question for ask GN What is like to know that as an overclocker your record that you worked hard to squeeze every last bit out of, knowing that the new hardware next year will crush your record?
When did keyboards jump up to $180 to $229 bucks??? and the new mouse i got on SALE for $79.99 that's normally $149.99, seriously WTF, RGB can go where the sun dont shine if it means prices like this and the ones i got were'n't even RGB, just mechanical cherry blue with individual back-lit illumination and a pretty good Logitech mouse, i still miss my Logitech Performance MX Darkfield (i had 3 of them and have worn them all out) so that brings me to how can anyone bring themselves to buy a $500 PC when quality parts like a keyboard and mouse are going to run $160 to $300 for the pair..... ahhh technology, and don't get me started on mobile phones, i started looking for a replacement for my Galaxy Note S7 that i broke and there is no way i am paying $1,800 or $2,500+ for a phone, i have a solid Canon DSLR for photos, my 3 laptops for mobile computing so my phone is pretty much just that, a phone, and the occasional text message so why would i want to spend $1,000+ on a replacement, i can't logically justify it at this point... Hope everyone has a great day, and STEVE, STAY SAFE over there
OC Question: So; 4-Pin EPS 12V; Its commonly touted as "only needed for LN2" by pretty much everyone; buildzoid included. Would it be able to help AT ALL with higher-OC power delivery or stability in say...AMD Zen 2 High End x570 non-ln2 setups? Or is it totally just moot and useless unless your VRM is really pulling like 300+ watts? I always feel like I might be losing out by a % or 2 -- which is important and impactful for me because I chase high-OCs. What is the final word on this?
Keep up the good work Steve! I always watch your videos. Some people might say they're boring, but I find them very detailed and informative :) Not everything needs to be amped up with a cool factor of 10. We're watching for information not pleasure. Pr0nhub is only a click away.
is there any safe to overclock secondary timings on zen1? i saw that overclocking secondary timings give a big boost to ryzen processors but there is so many of these timings that i just get confused, so far i overclocked only to 16-17-17-17-28 CR1 on 3200MHz(somehow lucky to have stable 3200 without errors in aida64), but as for secondary timings - i'm clueless.
Question for Kingpin or someone: If someone wanted to get into modding cards/tinkering with them, is there a generation or model that would be most user friendly? Or at least relatively so
Well. i wouldn't say "user friendly" but id personally say the amd RX series, they're cheap, easy to find, and if you break one you didn't ruin a 1.700 dollar 2080ti. (Im assuming you mean beginner friendly)
@@jonathanjohnson2112 Oo, hell no; not gonna use a 2080ti tier card, still using a 1080ti as my daily driver lol. I was actually thinking going as far back as Fermi or the HD 6000 series. Still got a couple of those lying around.
question for Kingpin: You take very elaborate measures to prevent condensation in LN2 oc, have you ever considered building a roboclocker system inside a sealed box where you just replace the air with dry gas, eg. the boiloff from the LN2 system?
Question for OC's: Is it possible to get factory oc bios for old cards if we sign off on the warranty? I don't see the financial incentive to do this but it would make me love their brand.
Steve, Zen 3 is still on "N7+" but the node is just 7nm... note they weren't differentiating nodes at all in that sense. They dropped 7nm+ to align with TSMCs nomenclature which is 7nm for the node and N7 N7+ N6 etc basically for the gate library and particular fab setup.
Hi one thing that can improve heat transfer and headroom is lapping the CPU and heatsink to allow better contact. This can be done by anyone at the risk of voiding warranty and it doesn't require no special tools or tech unlike using liquid nitrogen. I don't know if this was any help but I hope you find the answers your looking for 😉
@DANK yeah and probably a lot more heat transfer as well just seems a lot more dangerous if it's your first time, I've never done it so don't know but seems a bit nerve racking
Steve, I believe AMD said that Zen 3 is a 7nm+ process; same as stated previously. TSMC changed the name to just 7nm. AMD decided to show it as just 7nm on their slides. This question was asked by one of the analysts, and Mark Papermaster (I think) answered it during the Q&A session.
Since it seems that most overclocking sessions end because of moisture issues, could the entire rig be placed inside a high sided container (with the top of the ln2 pot sticking out above the height of the sides) which has a steady flow of co2 (from dry ice) into it... The co2 is heavier than air, so no ambient moisture should be introduced as the air in the room will never settle into the box. Since co2 has no natural liquid state, there should be no moisture. In its gas state, it should warm fairly quickly, so getting the board too cold wouldn't be a concern (and it might even benefit the vrms and chipset). The ln2 vapour might roll down in, but that's not really a problem as it will likely be warmer than the freezing point of co2.
It's nice to see Intel return to honest marketing, I don't really care who is the top dog anymore as long as there are competitive parts at various price segments that make sense.
Hi Steve, i am posting this a 2nd time because i really really need your help with this and if your going to be talking to a Gigabyte expert then this would be perfect. I have been using Gigabyte boards for a good 9-10 of my 33+ years of working in IT & Telecom, previously picking Asus, MSI and a select others before, so Gigabyte has gotten a lot of my money and my customers money. Anyway here's a re-post of the question; Technical Question dealing with one of my old system, using a GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI motherboard with a i7 3930k and it WILL NOT REINSTALL WINDOWS 10. I got a new 2TB Samsung SSD and the motherboard will not let me install, period, i have even tried Ubuntu and other versions of Windows, as well as putting my old drive in with Windows 7 and it wont boot into windows simply stating that the winloader is corrupt. I tried a repair using another PC and still nothing. I would like to get that system back up and running as i have 64GB 8x8GB of DDR3 in that system but no one including Gigabyte technical support has any ideas on what to do. I have tried clearing CMOS, resetting BIOS from the backup, different optical drives, different Windows disks (yes actual bought at Best Buy ones, as well as trying to use a USB flash drive to boot. I have tried different RAM from a working X58 system with a i7 920 as well as Corsair RAM from my GA-Z77 chipset board running a i7 2600k and still no ability to install a OS of any kind. I can access BIOS, the system boots, it runs at normal temp, but right now aside from using it as a heater it is pretty much of no use so if your connection at Gigabyte can provide any hints, ideas, etc it would be much appreciated. It took Gordon Mah Ung and I 3-4 hours to figure out how to install Windows on that system after spending 2-3 years of messing with it on and off as i have 13 other systems at home, it became more of a monthly challenge to get it running Windows, it finally turned out that the 2 blu ray drives would start the Windows install but because it is a C606 chipset and not a real lower class X79 chipset it did not have the capability to load blu ray drivers after the first reboot when installing windows, so we ended up getting a basic LG DVD-RW and all of a sudden windows 7 installed just fine. it ran for a few years until last year when i decided to give it a boost with a larger 2TB SSD and thats when everything went south. I have looked at these boards and there are new ones still out there for $500+ and as i have tried the RAM and CPU in the other intel systems i have i am fairly sure it is not a RAM or CPU issue, it is also running a Corsair AX1500i PSU connected to a Cyberpower UPS and still no go on installing windows 10, or going back to Windows 7 on the other drive or the backup drive so that is my long question. Any help would be a life saver as i would hate to have a $500+ motherboard just sitting on my shelf. If you want to give it a go i would be willing to ship it to you if you want to take a crack at it. In my 33 years of working in IT i have only run into 2 (well this one would make 3) computers that i have not been able to get to work . Thank you Steve, you truly are a great host and much like me, full of knowledge. It would be nice if Gigabyte reached out and offered to trade or swap the board just for curiosity reasons, well that and customer loyalty because i have just about given up on it PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STEVE, PASS THIS QUESTION ALONG Kind Regards Milo th-cam.com/video/HKtL64JvJPo/w-d-xo.html
18:39 no doubt, them are VRMs inside that Seasonic PSU bar thing. better pics than I had seen other places. I see more than enough guts for a 3.3v and 5V regulator in that bar. No doubt, 12v in, 12V 3.3v and 5V out.
Question for K|NGP|N and Hi Cookie: Have you see the lack of "headroom" in Ryzen chips and later generation Intel chips pushing more people into the XOC space over the last few years?
Q for cooler manufacturer: why are there no high end AIOs made of pure silver? It would completely remove the need for anti corrosives and most anti growth stuff, pure water with a drop of alcohol would keep the loop going for ages and would even have slightly better thermal properties. (With the life of such a cooler I'd suppose it'd need a fill port and maybe a small reservoir as well?).
Question for overclockers: as the process node shrinks, do you find reduced gains in increasing voltage? Do the smaller lithography process for making the gpus make it harder to overclock?
As I watch these, I like to believe those time allotments, or "timers", are placed up ahead of time (maybe on his phone this time? lol) and that Steve has to pull the whole thing off by trying to keep in perfect sync with each one over the course of the whole video/report.
Questions for for the pro OCers: What resources would you recommend for people starting out that would get them to a proficient level at CPU OCing, GPU OCing, Memory OCing for daily use? Competitive OCing? Is there anything you wished you had known when you first started OCing that would have helped you avoid a major mistake or pitfall? Whats your most derp moment? Whats your best accidental moment where everything went right? Is there a free or cheap technical source that breaks down CPU OCing (like a reference manual)? GPU? Memory? That covers both competitive OCing and daily driver OCing? Whats your favorite current platform to work with? Why? What memory do you like OCing? Why? What die type? What GPUs have you had the most success with OCing? Air or water for a OCed daily rig? Does it matter? Is there a calculator you use to do your initial settings before starting your tweaks? Or do you start with your own set of values because you just know what will probably work? Thanks! Have an awesome trip! Sending you guys masks and love from FLORIDA!!
Q: what do you recommend for a newcomer to begin the OC process? What cooling methods? what target hardware? How far should you push hardware starting out?
Watch our factory tour playlist from the previous visit in prep for this one! th-cam.com/video/XD5U3JZNVuk/w-d-xo.html
Show notes: www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3562-hw-news-amd-zen-3-rdna2-ampere-80-core-cpu
Please ask K|ngP|n how to unlock Nvidia voltage. Thanks. Just kidding, I know that we will get nothing from him.
Any Chance you can go by Sapphire and see the gpus being made and some of their motherboards?
BTW: I know you shouldn't have too but please remind your audience to wash their hands often. You don't need a pocket full of alcohol wipes to stop the spread of HUMAN MALWARE. I think you can help calm the public down with rational precautions. If you feel sick stay home. I hope you know what I mean Steve. Love your work as always.
just call the human malware for the Swedish Sausage 19 as its scientific name you can swap out the C with a K and it will say Sausage19 in swedish 🤣
Gonna need to reupload this? When you scrolled it removed the censor Human Malware and put the actual name (when you were showing the TH-cam tweet, Time: 3:20).
The WHO helped the human malware spread why is TH-cam donating money to them is google pro globalization and corruption?
Due to aggressive early response HuMal19 spread was largely contained in Taiwan so I feel better about you guys being there than elsewhere.
That said, stay alert! Love your Channel, etc etc.
Thank you for being the only actually rational person on our channel, apparently. Actually, there were two rational people -- so thank you!
@@GamersNexus Lack of knowledge isn't the same as being irrational but okay
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ HuMal19
> HuMal19 spread was largely contained in Taiwan
Unfortunately the same can be said for South Korea, but we all know what happened there.
Taiwan simply seems more likely to have been spared like most south est asian countries which are enjoying some tropical/sub-tropical climate, heat seems to be a huge break for the spreading of the human malware, the low numbers of cases in Central Africa seems to also confirm that theory...
I legit lol'd at the YT tweets. Thanks for making my coffee this morning much more enjoyable. Keep up the good work Gamers Nexus team.
Saw N7, remembered Commander Shepard :'(
RIP for commander shepard and the entire series.
I feel your pain
Mass effect 5 might be making a come back
I am Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite comment on the TH-cam.
Jeez man you just brought out loooots of memories...
Don't use bleep sounds. Use some other random sounds to cover swear words. There's a youtuber using the sound of an A-10 Warthog gun sound to "bleep" swear words. Use a sound clip of Snowflake meowing. 😁
I would prefer whatever noise could be found that would be the most grating and disturbing to the listener. Censorship is disgusting and it should have unpleasant immediate consequences just as its longterm consequences are unpleasant. Maybe max volume white noise or a blood-curdling scream or a babies cry.
I don't think BRRT is a good one either given how Anal TH-cam is about gun/military content as well
@@Gurk4ever you got a point...... "Brrrt!"
this is genius brrrrt
It was @PhlyDaily idea
Question for overclockers:
1) Power quality going into the PSU - do you use a UPS or do you try for a power supply with a perfect sine-wave for that extra stability (less shock to components and those small details all stack up).
2) CHIP Design - if they had a chiplet design in which the chiplets stacked vertically along the chip plane and stuck up as fins providing a larger cooler area that would enable cooling upon both sides of the processing chips - would they be something that would make a big difference? Indeed if you was to design a chip for cooling - what would you like - micro-heat pipes running between the chiplets?
3) Peltiers - do they have a place in cooling radiators?
4) Should there be a record for overclocking that entails it running for a week or month unaided - truly test out overclocking achievements and in a way that would be classed as use-case stable over achieving it for a single run of a single benchmarks - rinse repeat.
5) Case designs - vertical or horizontal motherboard layouts? How much of a difference do they make upon heat dissipation for aircooled systems as in - if you was to put your tower on the side - would it cool slightly better due to thermal radiation rising up and who wants their GPU thermalling towards your CPU or the CPU thermalling over the memory.
You can't put chips on one of their side because they have electrical connections on all sides! I guess you could try to route them all on one side if that doesn't cause signal delay problems... but that would still be very fragile!
Thumbs up specifically for #4
4) the correct Answer is: no (global warming is no myth)
Not much of an overclocker but have done power supply engineering...
1. I'd stick with a power conditioner. If you really want to be exotic, find a power supply that will go down to DC and try to feed it DC (probably DIY full wave bridge rectifier with big honkin' capacitor (ideally with some form of cap-choke-cap filter, bit I don't think you'll ever get enough inductance). DC power supplies aren't exotic, but the DC source might be.
2. That would break. Those connections on the pins a *tiny*.
3. Peltiers are a dead end, and I think this channel (if not, try tech ingredients) proved it. They are insulators, so they at least double the power draw...
4. Too much power draw. And there isn't enough difference between a full test suite (at least check if your math is right) and long term stability (obviously not true for long term use, but you shouldn't lose that much speed. And in the end, you are paying a lot in both power draw and burning up chips to use that last few percent anyway).
5. Anything as long as the radiators are outside the case (might want to move the power supply as well).
For pure sine wave you dont need ups, you just need filter as close to psu as possible, that filters out harmonics in the line, preferably rated for 10A at least. Much cheaper too.
damn that's a bright wall
It's plain gray with a bit of direct light on it.
@@ShroudedWolf51 correct direct sun light its pleasant you should try some
More like a damn clean one, my god.
Genuine question for the OCers: "Do you see extreme overclocking as a progress-making endeavor, or simply a method of testing the engineering stability of a board/chip? If the former is the case, in what ways do you see extreme overclocking beneficial to the components' design or production?
@Pseudo Soul I had the feeling that it's basically just PC drag racing- a lot of work to have the best 6 seconds you can and it's got no practical use. However I'm curious as to someone like Kingpin's answer since he does work on designs with a company and theoretically his OCing work has had some effect on the design of products he's worked on outside of "slap a bigass cooler on it."
Perhaps initially OCing helped expose chip makers as holding back performance, but not its mostly for entertaining.
It’s because you can get girls slacker ;)
@@BeardedHardware HAHAHAH
Been running OC'd custom water cooled builds for 17 years. I just see it as a way to get absolutely all the value out of my money that I can. Buying top-end chips has never made sense to me, when I've almost always been able to buy a tier or two below top-end and end up with better performance than the top-end at significantly less cost with a huge OC. So I guess you could call that a "progress-making endeavor," or maybe I'm just a cheap SOB. The few times I've ran LN2/CO2 is largely just for entertainment, and seeing how stupidly high I could get crappy chips to clock.
What was the reaction of Senior AMD analyst Snowflake to the AMD Financial Analyst conference?
Meow.
Robinthefox88 meow indeed
Purr
These guys are not even home and still give us time-stamps. 10/10 channel
Q for pro OCer - "what do you find more exciting / or a challenge - getting another 10MHz or top score on existing HW or getting new HW and blasting new records across the board?"
I mean, it depends obviously... getting another 10mhz could mean getting top score... Records with new gear obviously easier if you're first to scene...
New hardware seems stressful because you are competing against everyone. Extra 10MHz you can take your time
I would say batting existing for me, getting new is too easy to beat everybody..
What an Orwellian state of affairs we have on the internet today.
I mean it keeps the spread of false info by bad actors.
@@captainquark2272 You mean bad actors like governments? Corona virus is just another bullshit nothing burger to control people via fear.
@Belagerungsmörser the Sheep Finally a voice of right think.
I can just picture Orwell. "It was supposed to be a warning, not a manual you dense M****r F*****s..."
Belagerungsmörser the Sheep
Its 200% times more deadly than any flu we know of today. Most of todays governments are broken anyway because they let the sheeple be on the same level as us. We’re all just waiting for them to fall so we can be in charge anyway and cut through all the PC BS we see today.
Welcome to Taiwan!
hope you guys enjoy your stay here!!
We love it here! It's our favorite place to visit and work!
@@GamersNexus Permanent relocation in the works? XD
The thirst is real. Lolz
@@GamersNexus I have some questions(or suggestions?) for the tech market episode,last time you guys are here you talk about the price been pretty much the same to US pricing,but I think that is due to the way we shop here.
Haggle is a big part of been a pc enthusiast here in Taiwan, pretty much all the shop expect enthusiast to haggle ,and they know if you did some prep work,and are here to buy not just to look around,you will just walk out to the other shop if the price is not good.
So if you act like a enthusiast that did some prep work, the price they give will be very different from the price they give to normal people and tourist (no offense,but like you guys)
In short,They will not scam you,but you wouldn't get any good deal either
Question to Pro OCers: "Do you know if at ultra high LN2 overclocks quantum effects play a role? Could it be that extremely low temperatures improve maximum frequency, because there is less interference because of quantum effects?"
Also a simplier question, "what is a typical die temperature during maximum overclocks? On most videos people say that builtin sensors stop working and we can only measure temps on the bottom of the pot and the back of the socket. But do you have predictions of what die temperature is?"
Jacek Jagosz
Afaik its all about internal resistance. Less temp, less Rdon, which translates to faster switching times and less power consuption.
@@laharl2k That is why we always get improvements with lower temps, but I wonder if with such small transistor sizes and at very low temperatures can we also see an effect of quantum effects
@@jacekjagosz What lahar said IS a quantum effect; ultra-low thermal energy tries to shove internal magnetic lines outside of the object; therefore leading to lesser resistance and higher overclocks; it is a quantum effect.
Also, quantum electron tunneling effects present upper-bound voltage issue with near-naught-kelvin nano-scale components and/or high overclocks.
Well first of all the normal CPU architecture won't behave as a quantum CPU (see quantum computing), as a second point the temperature of LN2 is much too high as quantum computing is mostly superconductor based nowadays, and that happens just above absolute zero.
So quantum computing would rather need liquid helium, rather than liquid nitrogen.
Im here to support your excellent coverage and algorithm. Be safe while in Taipei!
3:18 - your censoring failed for a second 😛
Well maybe, just maybe that wasn't completely unintentional..
@@tarron3237 Well he tried not getting demonitized but might be now cus of that so i think it would be stupid to risk it which lead me to belive it was a woopsi
Glad I didn't have to be the one to say it. Well they shouldn't try to demonetize their videos I like GN a lot
Mission failed. We'll get 'em next time.
Whoops.
QUESTION: There are so many voltages and tweaks which can be made on Ryzen (currently own 1600 @ 4.05Ghz with ASUS B350-F board), my question is: can more detailed information please be provided on how to optimise overclocking using some of the more obscure voltage settings ?
Hope this is clear enough.
Including tweaks for memory stability at higher clocks.
Thanks in advance.
What's your current voltage? Also the 1600 is really hard to get past 4.1 at less than 1.39v. also your board doesn't have a lot of oc features.
@@jonathanjohnson2112
Base CPU voltage is 1.375v.
With LLC on extreme it spikes to 1.39v, anything above 4.05ghz it doesn't matter the voltage (I've tried 1.4v keeping LLC on extreme so spiking to 1.415v...would like to avoid going over 1.4v if possible.
Tbh the board does have quite a lot of OC features compared to some other b350 boards...I have many other voltage parameters/offsets I can tweak but I haven't dared to touch too much cuz there isn't anywhere I can find decent information about what they do.
did have to buy low frequency ram (was during those crazy ram prices) so I got 2400mhz boosted to 2966mhz (tweaked the ohms too) and with tightened timings as well (memtest ran for approx 8hrs with no errors).
Got a beefy aircooler too so thermals isn't an issue.
@@jonathanlebon9705 IIrc the overclocking guide from LTT went over most of the more obscure Voltages.
Having all the news items on screen with time stamps and progress... ideal!
Q for the pro overclockers: Do you run your personal daily use PC's overclocked? Stock? A safe inbetween? Undervolted? Thanks!
I can't speak for the pros, as I'm not one. That said, when I was into overclocking (Dice, LN2) my daily driver was a stable, relatively slow, factory laptop. The last thing I wanted was an unstable machine lol
I have been into LN2 in the old i7 days but I always test my daily PC to make it stable and of course oc it if possible as I always pay extra for PSU/Motherboard/Coolers as those are required when ocing.
For my intel chips I always oc as they are my gaming rigs. For my current daily which is a 2950x with a custom loop, I find it better to undervolt and use 8 cores only when gaming/daily use (1.2v 4.3ghz), and keep it stock for rendering/editing as stability is vital.
Intel: We'll catch up with them later someday maybe.
AMD: Zen 4
As long as AMD stays aggressive.
@@garrettk7166 even if amd stays aggressive intel has the bankroll to surpass amd but intel is huge and slow-moving so maybe in a few years.
Intel can't even get to like 10nm let alone 7nm... By then, AMD will be on 5nm...
Good luck! Unless Intel somehow leapfrogs down to like 3nm... :P
AskXOC: id love to hear the story of how these guys got started as pro overclockers. Seems like a really rare job.
Hope you are enjoying the weather here. March/April is perfect time for visit. June is rainy and humid.
thank you for doing hardware news even while traveling!
WOW the quality of this video / camera is off the charts , Great lighting . clear , focused . Absolutely stunning whoever is the camera guy ! A bit soft / blur on the focused face of Steve but besides that great
Nice background you got there!
Just say "Mexican Beer" whenever you mean Coro>>Vi>us
My mans global! Love your work Steve. You're legitimate elevating tech journalism genre.
Nothing can't stop GN, not even Corona Virus!!!
Steve: "nuclear weapon modelling"
me: "WTF is wrong with this world? -.-"
better inside a Computer than outside.
take what victories come, and learning more about __ usually is beneficial in other ways in the long run too.
We used to actually make them and test them, so...
Enjoy your trip! Wish you lots of great experiences & insights
A quick question, have you managed to look into the L1D cache attacks that AMD CPUs are vulnerable to?
Researchers have found some new vulnerabilities in AMD processors going all the way back to 2011, but AMD don't seem to be worried about them, and seem to me to be a little blasé about the situation.
From my understanding is that they require the exploitation of other already patched vulnerabilities in order to make use of them, and because of this AMD have yet to assign CVE codes to them, and don't intend to patch them, at least for now.
I think it would be awesome to see AMD make a version of their "APU" that has on-board memory. Think of an all AMD version of the Intel 8705G that would socket into consumer motherboards and actually be able to be purchased as a component in a build. Just curious, I suppose, but would anyone else be interested in this?
I'd be very interested. It will happen when they start 3D stacking.
Amd version of those Intel NUC machines?
@@SuperRandykid Hell yea. But, I think it would be better as an actual CPU component. I would like to be able to socket it into a MoBo of my choice in my own case, etc.
hopefully not targeting too high up the performance ladder, otherwise that thing is gonna be a bitch to Cool.
i feel comprehensively informed now.
thanks gamer nexus.
Tech Jesus putting his life on the line for hardware news. Thanks!
Great topic coverage and I Love the time bars for each topic in your overlay 👍 You are the most professional tech journalist I've ever seen. I also want to add, I also enjoy your in depth OC and modification knowledge and break-dows as well.
I wish AMD would drop speciffic news about Vermeer. We want Zen3 HEDT chips news.
For the OC - "Do you have simulation software that you use when you conceptualize something, or do you go straight to the hand drafting and prototyping?"
Looking forward for the factory tour videos, these are always super interesting.
Also can't wait for the USS Hood to get refitted!
Wonder how the garden in the background smells... with all this flowers it must be quite nice.
> no mask
RIP GN, been nice knowing ya
Welcome to Taiwan!!
Hope you enjoy your trip here!
any humidity issues there regarding the hair situation?
Question for professional overclockers: Do you think that overclocking is worth it from a value perspective?
This has already been my concern. If you damage the chip and have to buy a new one, then is it really worth doing the overclocking?
To be specific, by damage, I mean normal long-term usage degrades the chip sooner than later because of the hotter running temps, and not the initial overclocking work breaking the chip on day one.
How many months/years of life do you take away from a chip by running it allot hotter than normal?
Same question for the motherboard too, now that I think about it more.
I think that in less extreme cases overclocking is great. Taking a 3600 to the 3600x clocks for example is worth it. but getting that same 3600 to 4.5 ghz is not. also most modern motherboards will auto shut off if things get a little to spicy.
Depends on the chip and the platform. You obviously need an aftermarket cooler and some relatively beefy motherboard to eliminate the limiting factors other than silicon lottery.
When buying new, you obviously have to pay quite a bit more for a decent board, and newer chips especially ryzen doesn't have too much room to oc anyways. However, if you are buying some 'old' i7 now you should always try to oc as decent motherboards aren't that pricey anyways.
@@CosmicCleric Running a chip hotter killing it sooner is a myth that hasn't been true for a long time. The Tjunction Max is what it is for a reason. Want to run your CPU at 90C all the time, go for it. Quadro and Radeon Pro cards don't even turn their fans on until 90C. And the idea that the CPU vs GPU architecture giving it better tolerance is BS, we're talking about the limits of the physical silicon, not the logic. TSMC and Intel have slightly different tolerances, which is evidenced in their different Tjunction Max.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Follow up question for learning purposes.
Cards and motherboard will throttle down and/or shutdown at certain temp thresholds, so the manufacturers worry about temps damaging the product at some point.
Having said that, are you saying that running hardware at just below threshold temps will not affect the life of the hardware vs running hardware far below the threshold temps?
12:15 while I know this clip was showed in reference to part of the script, I had to do a double take to see it wasn't B-roll footage of B-roll footage. I would applaud the efficiency nonetheless.
Question for the pro OC folks: "I am extremely interested in overclocking, but lack the funds to provide myself with OC-able PC parts which makes it very challenging to get any real world XP in this field. How can i best spend my time learning about overclocking while having no way to generate hands-on XP? You all had to start somewhere, was there a singular resource which really opened your eyes or provided the biggest leap in understanding outside of your own testing?" Thank you GN for the consistent quality of your videos, data, testing methodology, and reporting. O7
18:30 sorry but am I missing the point in this? All it is doing is extending the length of cables because instead of hiding them under/inside the PSU shroud.. you now have a large spirit level shaped object with cables coming out of it; and therefore making it even more untidy!
I guess it's only useful if you have a PSU you like the look of and what to show off outside a PSU shroud.
I'd be interested in knowing if they have any empirical data on the effects of overclocking on a CPU's or GPU's life span.
Well for my 2500k ran it at 4.4ghz on air for about 8yrs, then this year had to drop it 4.2ghz coz it would cause blue screens. So I'd expect the overclock on and avg 5yr lifespan to be negligible
It's CPU to CPU. Variable. I had an old AMD Thuban 6 core that I hammered with 1.6+ volts under LN2...a lot. I passed it onto a friend who just retired it this year. He ran it for like 5 years after I tried to kill it, lol. Also, I had an i7 920 that I only hammered on one time under LN2...it was never right after that day. And this went both ways...Intel and AMD CPUs.
@@jakesully2868 The i7 920 was not meant for overclocking. I know because i own one.
@XDSDDLord nice avatar :D
@@ohkay8939 Lol thank you brother
that edit on the youtube tweet is pure magic LOL
For possible overclockers segment. What is the effects of AMD's 7nm chiplet on 14nm die. Does the 14nm die restrict data flow or increase heat as the number of CPU cores increase(Threadripper)? Any other advantages or drawbacks for overclocking in workstations?
(QUESTION) For the overclockers, How much influence of what you do filters down to the lower end motherboards or GPU's? I know it adds to the upper end but what about mid to low end, Thanks!
What I really wanna know is if they’re keeping AM4 around after Zen 3
if im correct i am4 will stick with 7nm. but 5nm is most likely on am5
Oh they will release a new chipset again, don't worry, it will still be in AM4 tho :^)
Think zen3 last on am4 and from zen4 am5.
AMD announced back in like 2017 they’d stick with AM4 through 2020, but that doesn’t mean they’re automatically going to switch to AM5 in 2021 or that there won’t be any cross compatibility, but that’s the sort of thing we can’t really speculate on. So guessing at nm sizes to a socket which are totally unrelated isn’t really helpful.
@@radicalxedward8047 agreed, dont think process and socket has any correlation but I am sertin that the 4000 series is the last gen for am4 think amd actually confirmd that in a presentation I watched.
Microsoft should assign a maximum budget for each employee all the way up to and including the c-suite based on their tasks and having them selecting machines individually to have some diversity for testing. Also force updates before general availability on all those machines. (intentionally having a random low percentage skipping a few rounds of updates to discover issues stemming from that)
It might help them put out stable releases for once and regain some trust among their customers.
Or maybe don't get rid of the QA department in the first place.
I'm commander Shephard and N7 is my favorite process node on the plantsite.
Questions for #askOCers:
-- What generation of CPU/GPU has been the most _fun_ to overclock?
-- What's the highest BCLK overclock you've ever gotten?
-- Considering that you're the experts in this field, how often do you learn/discover something completely new?
Question for Kingpin: When will EVGA start making AMD based products again such as motherboards and graphics cards?
@DANK OH DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Q:
-If there is anything, what annoys you? What does one have to keep in mind when describing the job?
-Is there something you used to forget about a lot? How easy was it to get used to doing/not doing said thing?
A: Questions like this.
@@ShainAndrews And who asked you?
@@sephdragon Is something hurting?
@@ShainAndrews Your inexplicable need to waste your time, writing content like this, that is neither fun, nor informative, nor of any other use for the community is only confusing me, dontcha worry. Anyways, youre on the ignored list from now on as youve proven yourself as a pure waste of time and i deem you of no use from further on. Have fun building walls to talk to, ill just resort to further exploring the world and its people - you dont know what that is, google it up - and enjoying my flowering, productive years, as they are worth more than investment of time in crude creatures like you, probably a slip of gods hand. Bye, fella! :)
@@sephdragon Which god?
wow your bluescreen gets really good, one might think you are actually outside!
Great video thank you. I was very impressed with the Seasonic part of the video I like this idea a lot. It was also great to hear that AMD is pretty much on coarse with their CPU & GPU's. About the Human malware and YT it is good to see that they may be changing their status on that it seems rather strange no one is allowed to mention it in videos for fear of not making any money because of it.
I do see why they may have taken this stance because of all of those that might take advantage of it and spread miss information about the Human Malware issue. All you have to do is go and look at regular media and see how they are putting out a lot of miss information about this. Heck this past weekend our local big store went from having lots of toilet paper in stock to pretty much almost non because the media was spreading lot of fud and it got people all scared and then they started over reacting and buying every roll of TP they could find as well as a lot of other things as well.
Willing to heare you soon GN about human malvare vs. tommorow streems topic.
Nice Star Trek reference 👍🏻💯
questions for pro OC'ers: 1: What causes cold bug? 2: Have you ever killed hardware through a non-extreme OC? 3: Why is kingpin the only one(that I've seen) with a roboclocker? 4: does epyc rome still have the bug that lets you OC it, and if so what are your thoughts on zombiemodded server motherboards?
Question: As a professional overclocker, what is your personal though on processors being closer to their max frequency (on air) out of the box compared to how it was several years ago?
As a non-overclocker and air-only cooler, I'd say I get much better value out of the box than would have been the case several years ago, all other things being equal (which, of course, they certainly are not, thanks to AMD!). I too would be interested to hear a pro's thoughts.
@@johnm2012 I started Overclocking 5-6 years ago and sure, in a way it is a nice feeling, knowing you can with knowledge unlock more performance. At the same time automation is nice and if my processor does it for me, I won't complain. I also like that everyone can get better performance, that it is not behind a knowledge wall.
Q for OC: Do you see Ryzen top the charts in FS and/or TS on Ln2 soon, or is Intel still too far ahead in clockspeed? Also, the major issue for Intel seems to be the lithography challenges - what similar challenges (if any) is holding AMD back? We here a lot about Intel being stuck and AMD just charging ahead (while still topping Ln2 results), so for you guys, with your work, what does AMD need to work on to improve their rakings?
Question for ask GN What is like to know that as an overclocker your record that you worked hard to squeeze every last bit out of, knowing that the new hardware next year will crush your record?
I agree with TH-cam's stance on the subject. Too much that can go wrong. I hope they lock it down further.
When did keyboards jump up to $180 to $229 bucks??? and the new mouse i got on SALE for $79.99 that's normally $149.99, seriously WTF, RGB can go where the sun dont shine if it means prices like this and the ones i got were'n't even RGB, just mechanical cherry blue with individual back-lit illumination and a pretty good Logitech mouse, i still miss my Logitech Performance MX Darkfield (i had 3 of them and have worn them all out) so that brings me to how can anyone bring themselves to buy a $500 PC when quality parts like a keyboard and mouse are going to run $160 to $300 for the pair..... ahhh technology, and don't get me started on mobile phones, i started looking for a replacement for my Galaxy Note S7 that i broke and there is no way i am paying $1,800 or $2,500+ for a phone, i have a solid Canon DSLR for photos, my 3 laptops for mobile computing so my phone is pretty much just that, a phone, and the occasional text message so why would i want to spend $1,000+ on a replacement, i can't logically justify it at this point... Hope everyone has a great day, and STEVE, STAY SAFE over there
Have a blast over there Steve!
Seasonic should partner with a case manufacture to build a case around the connect. Would hopefully bring more interesting case designs to the market.
I was just in Taipei last week. Beautiful city I wish I could have met you guys haha. But I'm down here in Kaohsiung city.
Interesting news video!
14:48 Speaking of which, Data was supposed to have somewhere along the lines of 15 tflops of compute and 100 PB of storage.
Steve even mods his phone case to have the most efficient cooling.
OC Question: So; 4-Pin EPS 12V; Its commonly touted as "only needed for LN2" by pretty much everyone; buildzoid included. Would it be able to help AT ALL with higher-OC power delivery or stability in say...AMD Zen 2 High End x570 non-ln2 setups? Or is it totally just moot and useless unless your VRM is really pulling like 300+ watts? I always feel like I might be losing out by a % or 2 -- which is important and impactful for me because I chase high-OCs. What is the final word on this?
Keep up the good work Steve! I always watch your videos. Some people might say they're boring, but I find them very detailed and informative :) Not everything needs to be amped up with a cool factor of 10. We're watching for information not pleasure. Pr0nhub is only a click away.
is there any safe to overclock secondary timings on zen1? i saw that overclocking secondary timings give a big boost to ryzen processors but there is so many of these timings that i just get confused, so far i overclocked only to 16-17-17-17-28 CR1 on 3200MHz(somehow lucky to have stable 3200 without errors in aida64), but as for secondary timings - i'm clueless.
Question for Kingpin or someone: If someone wanted to get into modding cards/tinkering with them, is there a generation or model that would be most user friendly? Or at least relatively so
Well. i wouldn't say "user friendly" but id personally say the amd RX series, they're cheap, easy to find, and if you break one you didn't ruin a 1.700 dollar 2080ti. (Im assuming you mean beginner friendly)
@@jonathanjohnson2112 Oo, hell no; not gonna use a 2080ti tier card, still using a 1080ti as my daily driver lol. I was actually thinking going as far back as Fermi or the HD 6000 series. Still got a couple of those lying around.
question for Kingpin:
You take very elaborate measures to prevent condensation in LN2 oc, have you ever considered building a roboclocker system inside a sealed box where you just replace the air with dry gas, eg. the boiloff from the LN2 system?
Question for OC's: Is it possible to get factory oc bios for old cards if we sign off on the warranty?
I don't see the financial incentive to do this but it would make me love their brand.
Steve, Zen 3 is still on "N7+" but the node is just 7nm... note they weren't differentiating nodes at all in that sense. They dropped 7nm+ to align with TSMCs nomenclature which is 7nm for the node and N7 N7+ N6 etc basically for the gate library and particular fab setup.
A question for the overclockers: with the exception of ln2, what single thing improves thermal headroom the most?
Hi one thing that can improve heat transfer and headroom is lapping the CPU and heatsink to allow better contact.
This can be done by anyone at the risk of voiding warranty and it doesn't require no special tools or tech unlike using liquid nitrogen.
I don't know if this was any help but I hope you find the answers your looking for 😉
I think it's all about that direct die cooling, yo.
@DANK yeah and probably a lot more heat transfer as well just seems a lot more dangerous if it's your first time, I've never done it so don't know but seems a bit nerve racking
Steve, I believe AMD said that Zen 3 is a 7nm+ process; same as stated previously. TSMC changed the name to just 7nm. AMD decided to show it as just 7nm on their slides. This question was asked by one of the analysts, and Mark Papermaster (I think) answered it during the Q&A session.
That malware-related demonetization is basically indirect censorship
I like the idea of Seasonic Connect but I think it should be modular at the PSU itself to better cope with cases of different sizes.
Since it seems that most overclocking sessions end because of moisture issues, could the entire rig be placed inside a high sided container (with the top of the ln2 pot sticking out above the height of the sides) which has a steady flow of co2 (from dry ice) into it... The co2 is heavier than air, so no ambient moisture should be introduced as the air in the room will never settle into the box. Since co2 has no natural liquid state, there should be no moisture. In its gas state, it should warm fairly quickly, so getting the board too cold wouldn't be a concern (and it might even benefit the vrms and chipset). The ln2 vapour might roll down in, but that's not really a problem as it will likely be warmer than the freezing point of co2.
It's nice to see Intel return to honest marketing, I don't really care who is the top dog anymore as long as there are competitive parts at various price segments that make sense.
Hi Steve, i am posting this a 2nd time because i really really need your help with this and if your going to be talking to a Gigabyte expert then this would be perfect. I have been using Gigabyte boards for a good 9-10 of my 33+ years of working in IT & Telecom, previously picking Asus, MSI and a select others before, so Gigabyte has gotten a lot of my money and my customers money. Anyway here's a re-post of the question;
Technical Question dealing with one of my old system, using a GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI motherboard with a i7 3930k and it WILL NOT REINSTALL WINDOWS 10. I got a new 2TB Samsung SSD and the motherboard will not let me install, period, i have even tried Ubuntu and other versions of Windows, as well as putting my old drive in with Windows 7 and it wont boot into windows simply stating that the winloader is corrupt. I tried a repair using another PC and still nothing. I would like to get that system back up and running as i have 64GB 8x8GB of DDR3 in that system but no one including Gigabyte technical support has any ideas on what to do. I have tried clearing CMOS, resetting BIOS from the backup, different optical drives, different Windows disks (yes actual bought at Best Buy ones, as well as trying to use a USB flash drive to boot. I have tried different RAM from a working X58 system with a i7 920 as well as Corsair RAM from my GA-Z77 chipset board running a i7 2600k and still no ability to install a OS of any kind. I can access BIOS, the system boots, it runs at normal temp, but right now aside from using it as a heater it is pretty much of no use so if your connection at Gigabyte can provide any hints, ideas, etc it would be much appreciated. It took Gordon Mah Ung and I 3-4 hours to figure out how to install Windows on that system after spending 2-3 years of messing with it on and off as i have 13 other systems at home, it became more of a monthly challenge to get it running Windows, it finally turned out that the 2 blu ray drives would start the Windows install but because it is a C606 chipset and not a real lower class X79 chipset it did not have the capability to load blu ray drivers after the first reboot when installing windows, so we ended up getting a basic LG DVD-RW and all of a sudden windows 7 installed just fine. it ran for a few years until last year when i decided to give it a boost with a larger 2TB SSD and thats when everything went south. I have looked at these boards and there are new ones still out there for $500+ and as i have tried the RAM and CPU in the other intel systems i have i am fairly sure it is not a RAM or CPU issue, it is also running a Corsair AX1500i PSU connected to a Cyberpower UPS and still no go on installing windows 10, or going back to Windows 7 on the other drive or the backup drive so that is my long question. Any help would be a life saver as i would hate to have a $500+ motherboard just sitting on my shelf. If you want to give it a go i would be willing to ship it to you if you want to take a crack at it. In my 33 years of working in IT i have only run into 2 (well this one would make 3) computers that i have not been able to get to work . Thank you Steve, you truly are a great host and much like me, full of knowledge.
It would be nice if Gigabyte reached out and offered to trade or swap the board just for curiosity reasons, well that and customer loyalty because i have just about given up on it
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STEVE, PASS THIS QUESTION ALONG
Kind Regards
Milo
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GN News got a modern upgrade as Steve isn't reading news on printed paper like newscasters did in the 70's.
Great coverage. By the way, it looks beautiful there.
18:39 no doubt, them are VRMs inside that Seasonic PSU bar thing. better pics than I had seen other places. I see more than enough guts for a 3.3v and 5V regulator in that bar. No doubt, 12v in, 12V 3.3v and 5V out.
Question for K|NGP|N and Hi Cookie: Have you see the lack of "headroom" in Ryzen chips and later generation Intel chips pushing more people into the XOC space over the last few years?
What's the difference between N7P and N7 plus?
5:15 TSMC actually has 3 nodes beyond N7, there is N6 which is also uses the same design rules.
Could you please do a video about overclocking ram. There are plenty of videos to overclock your CPU and GPU, but not ram.
Q for cooler manufacturer: why are there no high end AIOs made of pure silver? It would completely remove the need for anti corrosives and most anti growth stuff, pure water with a drop of alcohol would keep the loop going for ages and would even have slightly better thermal properties. (With the life of such a cooler I'd suppose it'd need a fill port and maybe a small reservoir as well?).
Question for overclockers: as the process node shrinks, do you find reduced gains in increasing voltage? Do the smaller lithography process for making the gpus make it harder to overclock?
14:44 - "it will be primarily used for nuclear weapons modelling, we're looking forward to the future" ..... why?
Watch out for Corona-chan.
Lol
Wendell is that you?
Kung Flu
Q:Is it possible for the gpu dye to crack or burn during big loads?
As I watch these, I like to believe those time allotments, or "timers", are placed up ahead of time (maybe on his phone this time? lol) and that Steve has to pull the whole thing off by trying to keep in perfect sync with each one over the course of the whole video/report.
Questions for for the pro OCers:
What resources would you recommend for people starting out that would get them to a proficient level at CPU OCing, GPU OCing, Memory OCing for daily use? Competitive OCing?
Is there anything you wished you had known when you first started OCing that would have helped you avoid a major mistake or pitfall?
Whats your most derp moment?
Whats your best accidental moment where everything went right?
Is there a free or cheap technical source that breaks down CPU OCing (like a reference manual)? GPU? Memory? That covers both competitive OCing and daily driver OCing?
Whats your favorite current platform to work with? Why?
What memory do you like OCing? Why? What die type?
What GPUs have you had the most success with OCing?
Air or water for a OCed daily rig? Does it matter?
Is there a calculator you use to do your initial settings before starting your tweaks? Or do you start with your own set of values because you just know what will probably work?
Thanks! Have an awesome trip! Sending you guys masks and love from FLORIDA!!
Q: what do you recommend for a newcomer to begin the OC process? What cooling methods? what target hardware? How far should you push hardware starting out?