Which Is Better for Sound?

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  • How does a 3D print compare to a wooden loudspeaker enclosure? The differences between several of the test enclosures were noticeable in person, and some of those differences were apparent in the recording, but will any of them be discernible on TH-cam?
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  • @BioMedUSA
    @BioMedUSA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Your comparison tests and montage of the dampening properties of each enclosure was at once brilliant and beautiful.

    • @jakestanbro959
      @jakestanbro959 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I haven’t even gotten past the ad at the beginning and I’m liking this because I’m 100% certain it will be true

  • @JanvdLocht
    @JanvdLocht 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Hence the sound dampening effect is apparently linked to the mass of the printed object, I would be interested to see how a 100% infill 3D-print would stack up against the wooden enclosures. Furthermore, if that improves anything it could be intersting to try metal infused filaments, because of the higher densitiy.

  • @DreamGaming12
    @DreamGaming12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Im not an audiophile or into 3d printers but man your videos are so high quality I can’t stop watching them

  • @BartSliggers
    @BartSliggers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I would like to see 3D printed dampening structures!!!

    • @Asmusei
      @Asmusei 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Seeing the two halves glued together felt like they where missing out on all sorts of different tests to try out later, including dampening structures that could be drop-in solutions. Maybe they'll contemplate a 2.0 print?

    • @JoelHernandez-tz3vk
      @JoelHernandez-tz3vk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wonder if some light infill of the entire cabinet would add strength.

  • @Bassotronics
    @Bassotronics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Damn!..this guy goes way more technical than I have ever had in my lifetime. Lol
    Thumbs up!

    • @RacerXGTO
      @RacerXGTO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. I think alot of speaker makers who are making these miraculous cabinet claims of being superior, just went "oh sh!t".

    • @justingillette8287
      @justingillette8287 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bill fitzmaurice, danley sound lab, system one, klipsh, Rat Sound, the list goes on and on man this guy is good but he is not at the point of the knife edge when it comes to state is the art.

    • @josealfredfernandes
      @josealfredfernandes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Bassotronics Nothing replaces birch plywood when it comes to sound! Not even 3d printers. Prove me wrong. Bass I love you.

    • @justingillette8287
      @justingillette8287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@josealfredfernandes Stand to close to the edge and into the rabbit hole I fall. First, we can't prove in a comment section anything related to physics and sound. Second, sound is subjective and our perception of it is effected my a million things, psychophysiological and other. Third, birch plywood makes no sounds, but a 3d printer makes all kinds of noises when it is running, so, I guess if you like the sound of silence better, than sure nothing can replace it.
      For the sake of having fallen into this silly rabbit hole though, if you build a cabinet out of 1/8in or 1/4in birch plywood and the enclosure is under braced or poorly designed, I am certain that we can agree that the "sound" would not be better than an enclosure that is sufficiently structural and properly designed regardless of the material used in its construction. A claim is not valid simply by saying it is unless we prove otherwise. You have equal need to prove to us that it is better. The obvious issue here is that your statement is overly simplified. Not all birch plywood enclosures are better than everything else no matter how they are constructed that is absurd and you know it.
      can someone toss me a rope, I jumped in and fear I can't get out!!!

    • @markwinston3119
      @markwinston3119 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@josealfredfernandes you are making a claim that birch plywood cant be replaced by anything. Prove it or sod off.

  • @psementalist
    @psementalist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Pete i missed you and missed seeing your TH-cam videos on TH-cam. Awesome video topic of choice for discussion very educational and knowledgeable

  • @mjodr
    @mjodr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love how precise you are about everything. You don't seem to skip any steps like a lot of other people do. You take your time.

  • @jjmmckinlay
    @jjmmckinlay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love your videos and humor. Thx Pete.

  • @ArduousFormula
    @ArduousFormula 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Answered every question I had about your designs so far. Thanks.

  • @scottinWV
    @scottinWV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I wish I had all that knowledge in my head. Everything he knows. My brain would probably go blue screen trying to handle it.

  • @99Duds
    @99Duds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This makes some projects I had in mind much easier and possibly cheaper.
    Thanks for informative video.

  • @michaelraykinney
    @michaelraykinney 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Keep the videos coming I always learn something

  • @jaredandcande11
    @jaredandcande11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Once again, the info and details we really want to know without wasting our time and efforts. Thank you so much for fine tuning my dreams, giving them reality and texture is what makes them worth having. Just like the music does.

  • @proffessasvids
    @proffessasvids 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent vid pete! love the test track at the end xx

  • @dobrisanmihai2952
    @dobrisanmihai2952 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like that you are doing all the tests proper . I noticed some minor difference but only in the bass , on some materiales it has higher resonance .

  • @shaiksarmath9078
    @shaiksarmath9078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice animations and editing at its best

  • @matteopozzobon1354
    @matteopozzobon1354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video Pete, nice to see that there are still passionate and competent guys like you sharing their competence and experience. Next level would be sand filled 3d printed speakers ;) Differences are slightly noticeable in blind listening, I managed to catch some of them. Hope so see other videos from you, thanks for your precious contribution to the audio community!

  • @diegonogueira8222
    @diegonogueira8222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    me: Struggling to notice any difference and perceive absolutely nothing
    reality tells me: "your headphones costs about 20$. What you've expected?"

    • @stiles3711
      @stiles3711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      TH-cam compresses the audio so much that you can't tell even if you have $400 headphones and a custom DIY amp.

    • @botdamian5688
      @botdamian5688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't have a expensive setup but I can hear a slight difference on my modified AKG K701 and Fiio K3.

    • @frankyvee1
      @frankyvee1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@stiles3711 It's the same thing I tell folks when trying to evaluate photographic images on FaceBook. You can upload a 36-megapixel image but FB is going to compress any image above 2048 pixel on the long edge.

    • @anuragbarhoriya3284
      @anuragbarhoriya3284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No difference only size matter.

    • @scottinWV
      @scottinWV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can hear some differences. But, I listen to music normally on my pc. I'm running JBL bookshelf speakers and a Visonik 15" sub in a custom enclosure.

  • @jovermars1920
    @jovermars1920 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just watched the Fifine T review and I hope your channel is still going. I really loved the quality of that video and everything you added into it. Keep it going, you're really close to becoming a mainstay of the tech scene.

  • @blech71
    @blech71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So much good data in this vid.

  • @BStreet666
    @BStreet666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I couldn't tell the difference but it may come down to my Logitech G432 headphones along with an un-trained ear. Thanks for putting all of the time into printing the enclosures and creating this video. They are always appreciated.

  • @luigipotato2302
    @luigipotato2302 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love the quality of these videos! its so impressive

    • @Oystein87
      @Oystein87 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If only he did not forget so many factors in this test.
      The enclosures need to have the exact same thickness and design for this test to even be valid.
      And listening on a compressed recording on YT does not help either.. And the speaker you are listening on also has a huge impact. A small phone speaker will never be able to reproduce the full freq.
      In general everything we hear in the recording would sound WAAAYYYY different in real life in a test like this.

  • @gregmorris2022
    @gregmorris2022 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is an absolutely fantastic channel.

  • @joshhaimes
    @joshhaimes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video as usual. Useful info, and interesting.

  • @DS-uq5ks
    @DS-uq5ks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Perhaps I'm a little crazy, but I could tell slight differences! I'm wearing Bluetooth cochlear headphones (Trekz Titanium) and I could tell that the oak had a bit more of a natural sound, the birch and the MDF sounded tight, the 20% PLA actually sounded a bit dirty, and the 50% PLA sounded more like the MDF but with a small resonance.

  • @Helectronics
    @Helectronics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting topic, great video!

  • @DJMoPhiya
    @DJMoPhiya ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is freakin' amazing!!! I'm getting super inspired!

  • @KiraSlith
    @KiraSlith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Interesting. Considering the odd response from the 20, could different infill patterns can get cleaner responses? Time for some smaller scale experiments perhaps?

    • @rompdude
      @rompdude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I would have thought it was more down to density

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rompdude What's coming through in the Treble is *probably* resonance. Yes, it's affected by density, but it's also affected by the shape of the infill. A different infill could possibly get a cleaner sound without the expensive additional filament and time cost of printing at 50%.

    • @rompdude
      @rompdude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Iirc higher frequencies do not penetrate the walls due to the wavelength. So if you have a specific frequency you could in theory tune it with wall infill design.

    • @KL-tn1xc
      @KL-tn1xc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the study of this is called " meta materials" you can probably find something online about this exact use case.

    • @burieddeep5557
      @burieddeep5557 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Acoustic metamaterials are currently under alot of research, 3D printers unfortunately sent really considered for this as the main aim is to create materials that can be scaled down for ultrasonics, EMF radiation etc... So they all follow structural effects. My university that I'm currently studying at are one of the epicentres of this research and headed the development of activated charcoal absorption.

  • @filibertofonseca8083
    @filibertofonseca8083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Keep up the good work.

  • @cartruck1070
    @cartruck1070 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the work that you do. 😎👍👍

  • @Inabottle
    @Inabottle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am currently working on a 3-Way 3D Printed Loudspeaker. Just finished printing version 2 over the weekend, took a week. I think I am going to try and fill the final design with resin, instead of going all-in on in-fill. That would be an interesting experiment with different resigns fill materials for 3D printed enclosures. I may do some minor experimentation once I get to that point in the design.

  • @speedbuggy16v
    @speedbuggy16v 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos, I am quite surprised at the little measurable difference in the wood enclosures, just goes to show you that what we hear is surprisingly colored by what we expect to hear.

  • @FSXgta
    @FSXgta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    With 3D printing you can get diffusion shapes inside the box. Does these help from standing waves or affect sound? I mean a flat inner panel vs dimpled/diffused shapes

    • @moondoggy17
      @moondoggy17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      thats a good question ^^^^^^^^^^

    • @vlrdngr4911
      @vlrdngr4911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      One can also do that with wooden cabinets. That wasn't the point of the video.

    • @NaturalBBler
      @NaturalBBler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      in a sealed enclosure it does not make a differrent

    • @FSXgta
      @FSXgta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@NaturalBBler you can get standing waves in a sealed box so you are wrong. You won't hear the standing waves inside but it will affect the cone

    • @NaturalBBler
      @NaturalBBler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Use acoustic wool, way more affektive

  • @yitspaerl7255
    @yitspaerl7255 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very interesting! Maybe it is interesting to test a 100% infill and not only with PLA bat PETG as well. But that means so much work to do. And such a long printing time. Anyway, thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge! You teach me a lot!

  • @musca8803
    @musca8803 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Much appreciated, thanks. Cavities in louspeker stands sometimes are filled with sand to make them less resonant: maybe this "trick" can be applied to the PLA enclosures.

  • @mrb.5610
    @mrb.5610 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best video on cabinet material ?
    Yep !

  • @Loopyengineeringco
    @Loopyengineeringco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    What about casting an enclosure from cement? It has a super high loss modulus. Would absolutely love to see some testing and comparisons!

    • @mrb.5610
      @mrb.5610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I fancy epoxy granite myself .... it's what diy cnc machines use.

    • @Loopyengineeringco
      @Loopyengineeringco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mrb.5610 yeah, epoxy granite would also be super interesting!

    • @mrb.5610
      @mrb.5610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Loopyengineeringco It would seem to have all the right properties .... strong, highly damped....all the reasons it's used for CNC machines.

    • @BogdanWeiss
      @BogdanWeiss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @AS Motion Lab how did you arrive @ “super high loss modulus” for cement ? you mean “concrete” ? It’s actually the opposite

    • @Loopyengineeringco
      @Loopyengineeringco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@BogdanWeiss just from research I did for a milling machine I'm building, there are some good papers on the subject. The aggregate inside concrete (rocks) reduces the vibration absorbing properties of the material. Cement on it's own seems to be the best when not using admixtures. Polymer concrete/epoxy granite materials are even better (but much more expensive)

  • @Sencheezy
    @Sencheezy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video

  • @GuilhermeRochaFast
    @GuilhermeRochaFast 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your videos man, I feel like 3d printing could be explored more on small loaded horn speakers, small efficient drivers could make great portable speakers for open spaces, going down to 50 or even 40hz

  • @rothlive
    @rothlive 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Test Thank you !!! Next test with ABS or other material please.

  • @hortonj63
    @hortonj63 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Listening using my Rotel RB-1050 amp on Fluance SX6w speakers Through Audio Card: ESS Sabre HiFi 9118 I can hear:
    Birch Ply: Deeper bass notes. Muffled upper section.
    Black Walnut: Mid-range is more pronounced.
    European Oak: Definitely stronger up top in the highs. Solid midbass
    Mahogany: drums are more pronounced compared the other materials.
    MDF: A lot boomier than the previous three choices.
    Mixed Material: Flatter response. mids slightly less pronounced than Black walnut.
    PLA20: Sounds a bit more hollowon the midbass notes.
    PLA50:More solid midbass notes extending down a bit.
    On my Sennheisser Momentum gen1 Marly editions Mic (used for headphones: SAnson G-Track Pro USB audio interface. Analog out):
    Birch Ply:
    the symbols are slightly muffled to me
    Black Walnut:
    Sounded a bit more solid onthe lower bass, but not as robust up top.
    European Oak: Much higher upper frequencies by far cleaerer and less muddyo nthe midbass.
    Mahogany: a bit more solid on the lower extension
    MDF: A lot boomier than the previos three choices.
    the middle frequencies seem more pronounced.
    Mixed Material:
    Solid midbass, but lacks the treble snap i like.
    PLA20: Sounds a bit more hollow on the midbass notes.
    PLA50: More solid midbass notes extending down into the bass section.
    Great comparison on how materials for the enclosure can affect the output. My setup has 0 modifications th the EQ on the audio card and the headphone mixer.

  • @victortitov1740
    @victortitov1740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm still waiting for you Pete to try a thin-walled enclosure with sparse infill inside for reinforcement and sound absorption. This is where 3d-printing shines imo, and may outperform all classic enclosure-making technologies.

  • @marcusm5127
    @marcusm5127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice video. I think you need to fill the emty space in the box with the 3d printer. The best part about 3d printing is being able to add how many details you want. A triangle pyramid pattern inside the enclosure would stiffen it significanlty but I don't know if you would get drawbacks to. I am building a 196 L closed MDF speaker with Corfal flat 8 full range speakers.

  • @Xmvw2X
    @Xmvw2X ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's nice to see so little difference. The only thing I noticed was the bass impacts seems slightly softer. The impact edge is softened. That's basically it. This might be more apparent if we compare mechanical flex. You'd need to look say something like bending stress and deflection. However, it's also easy to build in a lot of additional stiffness by even slightly increasing spacing between the outer and inner wall, adding in bracing, or binding the woofer with the back wall.

  • @robertgriffin1898
    @robertgriffin1898 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow..... great video

  • @Haellsigh
    @Haellsigh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a great way to show that a box is, in fact, a box! Isn't the whole point of using 3D printing in this case to make complex shapes that are not usually possible?

  • @lukesmith9059
    @lukesmith9059 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    You could save a LOT of time on those prints by moving to a 0.6 or 0.8 mm nozzle on your printers. The stock 0.4mm nozzle is better at very small details, but you don't need that for large prints like this.
    Also as someone who has been printing with PETG a lot lately, I would be interested to see how it would perform as en enclosure! It is very strong, but less rigid than PLA, so I would guess it's damping properties are quite a bit better. I may just have to try this myself to see what I can do, I have a few leftover 6 inch subs laying around 🤔

    • @A.X.N
      @A.X.N 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Have you done the PETG tests yet? very curious on the results

    • @lukesmith9059
      @lukesmith9059 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@A.X.N I have not had time to do any speaker builds unfortunately. As a relatively new home owner most of my DIY energy is going into home improvement projects.

    • @A.X.N
      @A.X.N 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lukesmith9059 oh well, that's how it's supposed to go XD.

  • @Vibration_Crew
    @Vibration_Crew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe try wood filament PLA or other particle added PLA just for the fun of it. Although 100hrs - 4 days printing sours that a little. Seems a lot of manufacturers use composite materials like different types of wood with aluminium or other metals in their builds. Top end B&W speakers do for sure. Great video as always and thanks for taking the time out to do this project. Can only listen via an ipad so can't contribute really on SQ.

  • @bassntruck
    @bassntruck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have an EVGA Nu Audio card pushing a set of Ultimate Ears Live in ear monitors. There was very little difference between them. It could have boiled down to offsetting the speaker to the mic a few millimeters as the photos show they move ever so slightly when watching. Maybe in person it could be different but based on this video I do not think anyone could accurately blind test saying what is better or different consistently across them.

  • @blankskater1
    @blankskater1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    DiamondBoxx M3, it was hard to tell a difference. But the hard woods (oak, walnut, mahogany) seemed to have a more full sound. MDF and 20% PLA seemed to lose some of the low end.

    • @karicowo
      @karicowo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kinda felt the same, listening on Fiio Q1 Mk2 and KZ ZS10 Pro's

    • @ejrupp9555
      @ejrupp9555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mahogany and the walnut were noticeable more expansive and rich (I liked the walnut just slightly better) ... mdf was tighter but not disappointing ... birch and the pla slight to distinct distracting ring above 4K or so. Shure SRH1540 / AE-5 Plus SABRE32

  • @SunriseCrawlers
    @SunriseCrawlers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Black walnut seem to have the warmest. I am listening with my mid end car audio with subs in my setting you really can hear the differences between them

  • @lukep7243
    @lukep7243 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video, great experiment. The thing is, using a 3D printer to print rectangular boxes isn't playing to the strengths of a 3D printer. It would be good to compare the ~2kg wooden enclosures to a ~2kg spheroidal printed enclosure. (Perhaps you are already planning something along these lines?)

  • @M1America
    @M1America 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    excellent video. My conclusion from your results is that I will have no qualm with doing 3d printed enclosures vs MDF. Furthermore the geometry improvements you get compared to home-made speakers probably makes them a winner. So long as your printer is large enough that you aren't making sacrifices there for your application.

  • @jonnytjams
    @jonnytjams 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great video! A few standout materials. Maybe it's because most speaker cabs are built with MDF and that's what I'm used to hearing, but it sounds perfectly balanced to me. No high mid hype or low mid bump. Not too sweet, not to pingy. Goldilocks.

  • @linandy1
    @linandy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome experiment! I just started watching too, this is very interesting !

  • @RacerXGTO
    @RacerXGTO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hexi - I'm listening with Corsair HS45 surround headphones switched to stereo only with no graphic equalizer alterations, ie just raw headphone output. While these would not be regarded as studio quality, their output does reproduce music brilliantly. I've noticed with the Mahagony box output, with your audio, offers a slightly, and I mean slightly brighter sound characteristic than the rest. Hope this helps with any other data not disclosed on your video.

  • @_vike5
    @_vike5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was listening on my home build, smacked together system which consists of Two Jamo Compact 90s with some newly installed tweeters (JBL) and bass drivers (Cervinwega) and extended bass ports made out of plumbing tubes. MTX Black Gold 12 subwoofer the one with plexiglas. The speakers runs on a Pioneer SX-337 with no subwoofer output so i drive the subwoofer using a zone mixer and a car amp (600wrms). Could hear a slight difference in bass between some of them. My next speaker build is going to be out of brazilian rosewood. Great video!

  • @johndprob
    @johndprob 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would love to see a test on different filament mateials infilled stuff, abs etc.

  • @Evilsizer82
    @Evilsizer82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    using a modi 2 dac feeding a Magni 2 headphone amp, into ATH-M50x's. it was hard to tell between walnut and birch but after MDF the rest sounded like they were missing low end.

    • @Oystein87
      @Oystein87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you actually think you can listen to compressed audio on youtube and legit tell big differences in sound then you need to back to school...
      You can hear some differences but for a real comparison you have one option: Listen to it live.. Microphone colors the sound, compression colors the sound and what speaker you play back the audio on also has a huge impact.
      And I can assure you that MDF does not loose any low end compared to the other materials.. This is not a valid test in my book. Too many factors are ignored.

    • @Evilsizer82
      @Evilsizer82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Oystein87 clearly you need to reread my post, no school needed for that. After means just that, AFTER MDF the rest sound like they were missing low end. Im not arguing, even a compressed music file can still have the lowend removed. Are you now accusing hexibass of removing bass in the low-end of his recording, that is what it sounds like. Not only that if you actually watched the entire video he asked if we can hear a difference and I did on the low-end. I never said anything else about what I'm hearing. Every one on the internet is a expert apparently, if you are then go work for hexibass. Good day sir!

    • @Oystein87
      @Oystein87 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Evilsizer82 Hah! Read a little too fast :P

  • @avocatdelamusique9778
    @avocatdelamusique9778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Indeed I can hear a difference. Especially between first three materials in the beginning of the track.
    European Oak is really crisp sounding, Mahogany too.
    Starting from MDF and down, they sound pretty much identical lol.
    Oh, sound gear is Samsung Galaxy Buds Pro and the sound is sent through Galaxy Z Fold 3 with SSC codec enabled.

  • @stevenmarvin6087
    @stevenmarvin6087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    akg q701 : Couldn't really hear a difference between enclosure maybe Black walnut and Mahogany sound a bit different or it came from the music evolution

  • @shaynakash4222
    @shaynakash4222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    listening to it via my digital amp and my altec lansing 16 inch drivers made it clear . mahagony sounded most natural no coloration other woods had their signiture to the sound thanks man ......

    • @shaynakash4222
      @shaynakash4222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      didnt like the sound on pla 20 . less problem on the other

    • @coppiceaudio1132
      @coppiceaudio1132 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the feedback 👍

  • @Frietpan
    @Frietpan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fiio Q1 mk2 ~ Sony MDR-1AM2 balanced.
    i feel like some enclosures pack a bit more punch when that bass/kick hits but its kinda hard to compare as the test song has diffrent stages.
    the black walnut for example plays way louder then the birch ply, and some do seem sound a bit fuller with that synth sound.
    (i asume you keep distance and volumes the same)

  • @justforkiks29
    @justforkiks29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Black walnut seemed to have the warmest sound with fuller bass.

    • @fortunefed8719
      @fortunefed8719 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      black walnut and mahogany both did sound ever so slightly warmer, but I had to struggle to hear a difference with HE4XX's on a discreet dac/amp

    • @nocturnal0072
      @nocturnal0072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I noticed the mahogany, but i'll have to give it another listen for that black walnut.

  • @JohnFryerInvisiblade
    @JohnFryerInvisiblade 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You might do the same test with a wood PLA 3d print.

  • @pimianimavdo1523
    @pimianimavdo1523 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    PLA is getting better, but so far, cant beat good wood (if well made).
    Pretty darn cool test/video btw.
    Do Keep the good work Sir. :)

  • @dfcx1
    @dfcx1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can't tell a difference between any of them, even the 20% PLA. Driver, box design, room acoustics, recording set-up, wireless earbuds seem to dominate. This video is great content.

  • @noahkb80
    @noahkb80 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would really like to see you design an under the seat box for a truck. Preferably a 07-13 silverado lol, but atleast some form of multi door truck that requires a box under the seat. Theres alot of us out here with the dillema of needing the cab room for hauling around offspring, but like to crank it once we get some down time.

  • @AnacletoPasseggiatoreDeiCieli
    @AnacletoPasseggiatoreDeiCieli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos

  • @rfiol
    @rfiol 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Thanks for producing. How do you think a CNC’d aluminum enclosure would do?

  • @johnbrennan4987
    @johnbrennan4987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Could you do a video on passive radiators and how to apply them correctly

  • @terrydrew7002
    @terrydrew7002 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In a noisy blast hole drill using galaxy buds+ and I could clearly hear the difference in the transition from the mixed material box to the 20%pla
    Good content as always

  • @toysforboysrc
    @toysforboysrc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how you make your videos👌👌

  • @berkeleybruin1971
    @berkeleybruin1971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting work! It would be awesome if you can design and 3D print something much smaller like an enclosure for micro speaker(s) - and make it sound good.

    • @HexiBabe
      @HexiBabe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sounds like you're new to the channel! th-cam.com/video/lU4_E83RwUw/w-d-xo.html

  • @rikardekvall3433
    @rikardekvall3433 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You make great videos about fun things! Curious as you are, what would it be like if you took apart a pair of in-ear headphones and put them in your new micro TL? A fantastic micro project with tweezers and a magnifying glass. 😀

  • @CzornyLisek
    @CzornyLisek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Now wonder if people would prefer heavily resonant enclosure (more than ones there) provided it would give them like a sound people tend to prefer. Like some random second harmonics that weren't in music and similar.

  • @jasonrodgers9840
    @jasonrodgers9840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imo: Black walnut is what I prefer to use for my own custom subs and woofs. White birch for woofs to mids. Mdf for everything else.

    • @jasonrodgers9840
      @jasonrodgers9840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HexiBase It would be interesting to see cherry's midrange qualities.

    • @jasonrodgers9840
      @jasonrodgers9840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HexiBase or in the future, maybe a few african or amazon exotics too. 😉

  • @gfyproductions9167
    @gfyproductions9167 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would like to see a large bluetooth enclosure. Incorporating your hexi box v3, your tweeter acoustic amplifiers, and maybe a couple of midrange speakers. A battery box to power it up. It could be large, small guitar amp size. Being 3d printed it would be light.

  • @jonnybech4758
    @jonnybech4758 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would really like to see the spectrum analysis of the "tapping test"..!
    Cheers 🙂👍

  • @feeterican
    @feeterican 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh, Side note: I still find it funny that Birch ply is a prime material for enclosures now. I think I was one of the first people to use this back in '91 - '92. Everyone called me crazy and it would sound like absolute crap. I made my home speaker cabs in shop class out of 3/4" Birch and the crap I caught in class was nuts, even the shop teacher shook his head and just said "go ahead". They all changed their minds when I finaly got them built and fitted with speakers and played a few songs. Funny thing, I ended up building a sub box for my classmates car. I still wonder to this day if I was really one of the first people to use Birch Ply.

  • @sigurdodinbraastad7484
    @sigurdodinbraastad7484 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting, thanks for this! Did som simple knock testing on petg Vs MDF and didn't find much difference either, pretty sure I would fail a double blind if tested on these samples. Given the density of pla, it should be quite suitable enclosure, even if there is some resistance against using plastic in the dyi audio community.
    However when building enclosures in petg I find the price of printing fairly large enclosures is quite high compared to wood/MDF.. so guess the only way it can be justified is a complex design that would be otherwise difficult in wood... And the ringing/ridigty is fixable by design so I think we might see some really cool 3d speakers eventually.. like the stratsys prototype ;)

  • @rhkips
    @rhkips 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very minimal difference between materials in the listening test. The MDF has a very characteristic sound to the bass frequencies; not quite "boomy," but slightly undefined, muddy and "raspy." It's something I've noticed when building MDF enclosures myself, and I usually treat the inside with rubberized coating and a bit of Acousta-Stuff. The 20% PLA had a distinct clarity issue with lower frequencies, very much in the realm of the "ringing" characteristic you'd noted in your other testing. The rest of the materials may have had slight variations, but without the side-by-side comparison, you'd be hard-pressed to notice.
    Awesome video, and great test! Thank you! :)

  • @adrianscarlett
    @adrianscarlett 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd be interested in analysis of guitar cabinets and digital amp modellers that use cabinet impulse response, along with FRFR amplification.

  • @joe_limon
    @joe_limon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I 3d printed my desktop speakers. I used wood embedded filament. Also, was capable of doing an extremely detailed ported spherical design.

  • @donovancook8218
    @donovancook8218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    nice man!

  • @nathan1sixteen
    @nathan1sixteen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A cool alternative option would be to fill the 3D printed speaker case with a different medium, like sand. This would help add density to the print relatively.

  • @Bigalinjapan
    @Bigalinjapan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is interesting to the limit. l am into speaker buidling (at the momemt proud owner of VISATON Solo 50s) and 3D building. How much better can it get?

  • @WSS_the_OG
    @WSS_the_OG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was far more interesting than expected. Listened with a pair of NAD HP50s, going through a Fiio A1 MkII out of the laptop. Have you ever done a measurement like this using MDF?

  • @weareallbeingwatched4602
    @weareallbeingwatched4602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Boxes make a huge difference at higher SPL, and would strongly suggest that cast concrete would be a good material to test alongside the wood & plastic enclosures tested.

  • @One_Guy
    @One_Guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    i'd be curious to see what the 20% PLA would do if you applied some sound deadening material to the outside or inside of it :)

    • @poman911
      @poman911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I tried it with Noico sound dampening. didn't tame the resonance at all that much.

    • @bleachstain9785
      @bleachstain9785 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@poman911 noico is dogshit. Gotta use something like second skins, on both sides.

    • @Widowmaker2828
      @Widowmaker2828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bleachstain9785 I used both and was more impressed with the value of the noico. The much more expensive second skin was barely more resonant resistant. I would rather go 2 layers of noico and it's still cheaper.

  • @cyberpinoy8728
    @cyberpinoy8728 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im just wondering if you add some damping material inside the PLA box, will it make any difference and make it comparable to the best wood box ?

  • @thirumalkumaran
    @thirumalkumaran 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have we tried using poly fill for better damping? If we introduce that variable, how much difference would each of them have?

  • @kosielemmer
    @kosielemmer หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just great

  • @notmaddax
    @notmaddax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm waiting for him hitting 100k

    • @JeepVsix
      @JeepVsix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the waiting is over

    • @notmaddax
      @notmaddax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JeepVsix lol finally

  • @EngineeringEssentials
    @EngineeringEssentials 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome 👍 I was thinking of getting expensive plywood for my speaker build instead of MDF. But I am convinced that inorder to hear any difference, you need a great ear as well as dead silence which ofcourse doesn't exist in my case. Please correct me if I am wrong, also curious to know. Which is the best position for a port?

  • @lextr3110
    @lextr3110 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    test with mass loaded vynil inside the printed enclosure

  • @shawnbottom4769
    @shawnbottom4769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe I can hear more bass output from the walnut and oak? I’m using Sennheiser Momentum (over ear version) being driven directly from an iPad Pro

  • @MuccisJag
    @MuccisJag 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The European Oak seemed to have the brightest sound. The 20% pla seemed boxy/cheap sounding. The mixed material had what seemed like slightly better defined low-midrange output, but I'm not sure I actually heard that. Most everything seemed to sound similar.
    I would prefer to listen to music that incorporated actual acoustic instruments, instead of the SimCity soundtrack. Letting the boxes resonate with more legato and dynamic notes instead of the tight staccato of whatever that song was, I'm sure we would hear more difference.
    Most importantly here, I can't really trust TH-cam's audio to recreate what you've recorded. There is for sure compression happening, the dynamics are too flat.
    Regardless, absolutely top notch video as usual. I love what you do and how you do it. I really appreciate the time you're putting into these.

  • @aspenmallery
    @aspenmallery 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tech ingredients has some videos with a lot of really highly detailed scientific analysis on different materials acoustic properties. If I remember correctly, it is the higher the stiffness (not necessarily strength or other properties) of the material which causes less resonance will occur. Of course, there are many other things to consider such as side and rear reflections of the cabinet as well. But this is probably the main reason why the lesser 20% infill did worse than the 50%. I predicted this at the start of the video too.
    Its worth mentioning that of all the thermal plastics, PLA has one of the highest stiffness properties out there, besides some other more exotic filaments like HIPS or carbon filled. Price per performance, PLA is probably the best way to go considering higher infill will give better results.

  • @danoseus
    @danoseus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey nice video. With 3D printer, you can add some "texture/3d shape" to increase inside surface. Or, is there some reason why inner walls are flat ?

    • @computermdms
      @computermdms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm thinking the reason the print is so simple is that he was comparing materials not designs. But I do think that's the real advantage of 3d printing more complicated designs like wave guides, textures, etc don't really add more time like they would with traditional methods.

    • @xaytana
      @xaytana 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Texturizing a surface modifies it's surface area, and in turn modifies internal volume, though both are minimal if you're talking about texture and not large internal features. 3D printing will never be as flat as MDF, ply, or a planed piece of wood, but it's close enough. Introducing deviations makes an apples to apples comparison an apples to oranges comparison. You'd also need a CNC mill to replicate the texture pattern in wood, and for much more complex surfaces, a 5 axis CNC mill. But again, a surface texture won't do much in a box, though it may have interesting results within a waveguide/port. Plus, textures and complex surface areas are a better topic for a different video, or series, this video was only for material comparison. What you're probably interested in with 'texture' is a layered box with alternating geometry. Such as in this video th-cam.com/video/PJaXhvHaIwM/w-d-xo.html or alternately in this video th-cam.com/video/pTSeqs0Kk9o/w-d-xo.html starting at the 4:27 timestamp, both are different approaches to the same solution. I assume this is what you mean by texture, because, again, a typical surface texture, like a texturized paint or typical textures on things like ABS sheets, really won't do much to change performance of the box; with the only potential being within a waveguide/port due to aerodynamic properties of a surface texture. Not to mention a surface texture on a 3D printer really isn't the best idea, the most you'd get is random globs on the top surface, not a typical surface texture like ABS sheets have, which need to be molded into the part; unless, again, you're talking about actual geometry to negate standing waves.