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Are you familiar with the research of Tim Mahoney. His doc Patterns of Evidence theorize the Exodus occurred earlier than commonly dated. He suggested where the Bible mentions the Hebrews built Pi-Rameses was actually the city it was built over called Avaris. He states the Bible calling it Pi-Ramases is anachronistic. He'd be an interesting interview
@@HughEMC there’s a much better explanation the region called Ramses is where the King came from and was named that for at least 1000 years before he was born
I started reading the Bible yesterday after years. Been between catholicism and agnosticism for years now and when i thought i started finding my faith again i got to the part in Genesis where Abram tricked the Egyptians and gave his wife to Pharaoh then God instead of punishing Abram for lying and pimpin his wife just strikes pharaoh and his house ! What kinda god is that? Suddenly Gnosticism is making more sense
the world is simply not as simple as to fit your peanut brain, no offense intended. Neither is God. The end justifies the means sometimes. e.g. if you lie (bad) to prevent murder (bad and worse than lying), you do a good deed ... gnosticism is idiocy. Proof: "Gnosticism's beliefs include the idea that the material world was created by an imperfect divine being". Perfection and freedom do not exist, they're relative, e.g. a perfect apple is an apple not a pear. There is no such thing as freedom from consequence therefore no such thing as freedom, only causality and God said so: as you sow so shall you reap. That is also the basis of the so called free will, which is not free at all, you already chose your life, and your choices are mostly guided by causality, mostly from instinct
@@nacereddinechallal4405 What does any of this have to do with how we live our lives today. We do not need origin stories to know what the Ten Commandments are and the Sermon on the Mount. This may be of interest to historians. For the average person it is better to concentrate on how you are living your life, rather than how, or maybe how, people lived their lives in the distant past. This is all speculative nonsense. How are we living our lives today, that is what is important.
@@nacereddinechallal4405 But what you just presented is a petty reason to justify your position. I would think that God would be more concerned with people's motives rather than their acts. Abraham had no wicked intention to lie. He did it out of fear for his safety not bcos he wanted to hurt anybody. So God wouldn't view his action so severely. And bcos the king also did not try to take Sarah with any wicked intention (I mean what wanting to have Sarah wasn't abnormal if she was Abraham's sister) God did not kill him or his family. He only made something to happen to him as a sign so he could know Sarah was not someone he could marry.
@@ALavin-en1kr That's pretty silly. "Sure nearly everything in these books is probably bullshit but it doesn't matter as long as we're living according to millennia of people interpreting these books. "We know what the Ten Commandments are." Do we? We know what the authors that made up the same story that OP is talking about SAID those commandments were. Your statement doesn't seem to follow any internal logic unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying altogether.
Dr. Ehrman never fails to crack me up with his delivery. I highly suggest his books too, as he writes just like he speaks. The man is a national treasure.
What? Bart an national treasure? Oh man! You're WRONG! SO UNMISTAKENLY WRONG! Bart Ehrman is an INTERNATIONAL TREASURE! You just belittled him! For shame! 😉😁
I think the Moses/Exodus story is a conflation of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt and their subsequent departure. You see, the pharaoh that defeated the Hyksos and drove them out of Kemet was Ahmose 1. He was seen as a savior among his people for liberating Egypt from these tyrannical Hyksos. I think that when the Hyksos and other Semitic tribes returned to the Levant, they began retelling the events of their expulsion as a positive event instead of a defeat. And given that the man responsible for kicking them out of Egypt was named Ahmose, it’s not hard to imagine their oral tradition conflating his identity with that a savior figure. Just a thought.
Spot on! This is MUCH better than some of the other comments I've read from narrow-minded loonies who are too lazy and/ or stupid to drag their noses out of the Bible and learn some actual FACTS. ( My apologies if you're a Christian. I'm not...)
quote " think the Moses/Exodus story is a conflation of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt and their subsequent departure. " wow.. very good observation specially of the moses being actually AHMOSE.. and the story being a rewrite with a happy ending of what actually happened. Your theory is worth of researching . sounds very plausible.
Here are some of the problems I have with the Hyksos=He'brew theory: 1) Hyksos were not slaves, but a ruling merchant class, owing to their position on the bronze route. 2) They were not liberated, but militarly ousted. Their army included chariots. 3) It's too early; Heb'rews appear in history on the Merneptah stele, around 1250 BC, some 300 years later. Only a century earlier, in 1350, there is still no mention of an invincible, magical horde genociding their way throughout Canaan in the Amarna letters, a correspondence between Akenaten and petty Canaanite kings (including Jerusalem's). The one associating J'ews with Hyksos was Manetho, a Ptolemic dynasty scribe, much later after the events, in what is maybe history's first antisemitic propaganda, accusing them of spreading diseases and destroying temples. From what I see, the Hyksos bears much more likeness to the later Phoenicians, but it is likely that some Heb'rews had, in fact, some Hyksos blood nonetheless.
I've wondered why the name of the Pharaoh is not mentioned in Exodus. This is probably the most powerful man in the world at that time. It would be like mentioning the Chancellor of Germany or the President of the USA in WWII by office title only without referring by name to Hitler or Roosevelt.
Most powerful man in the world at that time was a Chinese emperor. It’s so strange how God ignored most of the people of antiquity, especially those with far more advanced and refined cultures. Makes me wonder…
Year's ago, when I actually started reading up on the Exodus, the more I discovered the less I believed that it was actual history. So I agree with your comment & throughout the story it's impossible not to wonder why again & again. Simply concentrating on the logistics involved for both sides, it makes a mockery of the story as given in the Bible.
@harveywabbit9541 Pharaoh comes from two Egyptian words, per a'oh, meaning "great house" referring to the royal palace. Kings weren't called Pharaoh until the New Kingdom, 1550-1070 bce. The 10 Plagues happened at least 100 years before that. The Egyptian year had 3 seasons, lasting 4 months each. Will you PLEASE drag your nose out of the Bible and LEARN something? At least stop pretending you know things that you don't!
So knowledgeable but can't figure out why a baby raised in EGYPTIAN homes by EGYPTIANS would have an EGYPTIAN name🤣🤣🤣 yes its a Jewish story but Moses was raised EGYPTIAN and named by EGYPTIANs omg 🙈🤣🤣🤣 "Dr"
Awesome, thank you. I can’t help but mention that in the Hawaiian history of the Nu’uanu Battle that most of my life I believed was a myth, tho not as great as this story in the Bible, it has been verified by 800+ skulls that were found at the bottom of the Pali where the battle was. Talk about reality. Thanks and Aloha 🌺
@@fredgillespie5855 It's a valid comparison, but the thing is - Troy was real, and Achilles may have been, but if he was, he wasn't invulnerable or superhuman. Just like if Moses existed, he probably didn't part the red sea.
@@fredgillespie5855Yes Troy was found. Unfortunately nothing in the bible has been found and people have looked far more extensively and exhaustingly than the search for Troy.
I would say to the bible leaders at youth group, that what if it is just Chinese whispers and exaggeration in regards to Moses. I said it could be 100 people but when telling others this story they said “there were thousands” of people or we today say “millions of people” in order to portray a huge number to give awe to an account. I also said that the Red Sea was no where near them but perhaps it was a mistranslation from the “REED” sea, which you could cross on foot over the reeds growing there and the Reed sea was closer, I used to ask many questions at bible class & the teachers would sigh saying I was just playing the devil’s advocate. The leaders said” we know you have questions but we must caution that if you don’t accept theses teachings in your heart and have faith, then you were hit by a bus tomorrow and died, you will go to Hell” I know it was to scare me into now asking questions but it turned me away from faith.
The Hebrew _yam suph_ (יַם-סוּף) does in fact mean "sea of reeds". It's the KJV that primarily promulgated the mistranslation. It probably refers to the Nile delta.
If we read those ancient texts we should be careful to take numbers to literally through our modern view. E.g. in ancient greek "myrioi" can mean "10000" or just "a huge number".
To add to that, the number 10000 also has a similar meaning in Hebrew and Aramaic (a very large number of arbitrary/unstated size). Likewise, in Hebrew and Aramaic the number 40 is used to denote a large number of arbitrary/unstated size and shows up all over the Tanakh/OT as well as the NT. This use of the number 40 may derive from the Sumerian god Enki for whom 40 was a "sacred number" and alternate written form of his name. This may explain, for example, why the _Noah_ myth changed the flood's duration to 40 nights/days from the original myth's 7 nights/days (Enki being the god who warned Atra-Hasis ["Noah"] of the other gods' plan to flood the earth).
Professor Ehrman’s delivery is very exciting. 😊 But seriously, thank you Professor Ehrman for your encyclopaedic knowledge of the Biblical text and subjecting the narrative of Moses to a rigorous test. 🙏🏽
Both Francesca Stavrakapolou and Israel Finkelstein (among other experts who approach it historically and scientifically) make that perfectly clear)! But ... 🙈🙉
@@BigJFindAWay Yes, Stavrakapolou is expert on the texts where the claims about Abraham, Moses, etc., are made. Please name the sources you say refute Finklestein so I can study them.
The greeks said the Hebrews came from the east but the hyskos came in and helped Egypt but after the Egyptians didn't need them anymore they drove them out. Israeli archaeologists have also said the exodus didn't happen but if the number of people left Egypt they would still be leaving once they arrived. They crossed the reed sea not red sea because hebrew says reed sea. The 2nd expulsion was a religious revolt and i agree with Freud.
The serpent was the symbol of everlasting life and healing because it shed its skin, and this can be found in many cultures' way back before the Hebrew bible was written. The serpent curled around a staff is still the symbol of healing and appears on ambulances and hospitals today.
The caduceus yes. But the Brazen Serpent prefigured Christ’s crucifixion, insofar that all who ‘gaze upon’ it would be safe from the bite. That means XC becomes the edenic serpent by proxy, taking the curse of death upon himself and then breaking the power of the one who had taken all humanity captive after death, that is Hades. This is the wisdom of the fathers of the ancient church, which Prof. Ehrman rejects flippantly in his ignorance.
I understand the serpent symbol is for healing and that’s why hospitals have this symbol. But the two serpents on the staff is a different thing it’s a meaning for money and fortune. It seems to be true health care is a very profitable industry.
I think the serpent on the pole might be esoteric symbolism for the khundalini serpent. I honestly think most of the books are an internal pilgrimage. The Bible mentions that Solomons temple was built in silence without the sounds of construction. There is no evidence for Solomons temple which leads me to believe that the temple is referring to the body and building your temple in silence seems to be referring to meditation in my opinion.
The Israeli Antiquities Authority has found a temple in the City of David, near the Gihon Spring. They are officially calling it Melkizedek's temple. But the dating also fits for Solomon's Temple.
@@paulmetrich87 The wailing wall is the wall of Fort Antonia. Josephus' and the Apostle Luke both have accounted that Fort Antonia was on the highest peak of Mt. Moriah.
@@paulmetrich87 There are 3 peaks on Mt. Moriah, and the Temple that was found is on a peak that's about halfway up the mountain. It's in close proximity to the Gihon Spring and it matches what the Tanakh says about where the Temple was built.
The problem with atheism is that everything is oversimplified. It all MUST make sense from a childish perspective. Like, if you can't touch it, it doesn't exist. Or, if it doesn't make sense to one person, than it can't be real. If there are events that humans cannot understand, then there is something exciting and new to learn. But a lot of humans (mostly atheists) think humans are the supreme intelligence. When in fact, we are low on the totem pole of potential. The geniuses we have are super-limited.
@@Twitch_Moderator "EVERYTHING is simplified"... talk about simplifying. Asmon, it appears you don't have any familiarity with atheists at all. Some atheists are quite well read and strive to understand gods and religions, psychology, history, philisophy, and science. But the vast majority of atheists don't know and don't care--they simply don't believe.
@@traog "...a particular system of faith and worship." Atheist have to put faith and a belief that there is no sort of God because there is no real proof that disproves such. Spaghetti monster is a hypocrisy; Edit: It's a hypocrisy because what is a "Scientific Hypothesis"? It is the building block of the Scientific Method. It requires people of science to put a lot of faith and belief into something before they go about testing it to discover if it is a truth or not. Who are any of you to go around insulting people because they want to put their faith and belief into something else they wish to test with their very own soul, should one exist. All of you Atheist are putting a lot of faith in there being no soul to go about pretending you don't have any faith ... Hypocrisy
I also enjoyed "the Heart of the Buddha's Teachings", by Thich Nhat Hanh. The mean jealous vindictive god of Abraham is what's wrong with the Bible. Additionally, my mother would never curse a fig tree, so she is more well-behaved than Jesus. But people are taught that it's the word of God, so no one reads it objectivity.
As well as Gilgamesh. Had the same story of being placed in the Nile in a reed basket as a baby and is found and adopted by a farmer or however it goes. It’s been a while but yeah several kings used that same exact origin story
Rudolf Steiner is amazing in his lectures and writings. I do not write anything in stone. It will only hinder one from true knowledge. I do believe there are legitimate clairvoyants in our age that speak truth. I trust them more than the church.
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@@MathewThomasFET His being there is as possible as there were 600,000 military aged men plus their families that fled Egypt across the Red Sea, which was parted by a very, very old man, in the Sinai desert for 40 years(....and being enough food/water etc to survive). If you believe one implausible story why not another......it is writen in one place, with no other evidence of it happening, so it must be equally as true
This November on the 6 day of November 2022 The Vatican will be hosting a meeting called the UN conference global meeting called “Cop27” To me it’s very interesting that they are hosting this meeting in Egypt.
Ummm the reason Moses has an Egyptian name is that according to the story he was named by an Egyptian woman and raised as an Egyptian. Why would he have a Hebrew name when he was not raised as a Jew?
@@Remza_ObrvaThe Jews didn’t exist until the Babylonian exile. The people were from the Levant and practiced the Canaanite pantheon, nothing equivalent to Judaism by ANY means
Secular historians don't have a clue when it started, but they do generally agree that early Judaism was a pantheon where most gods got removed long before the Exile, so either way Jews existed before then
So far so good! A correction: Barabas is actually Bar Abbas, Bar=Son of, Bar Abbas=Son of Abbas. And there was no such Roman custom of releasing one prisoner to the Jews. So the Bar Abbas bit is questionable. MY line about releasing a prisoner I gleaned this from the book "Zealot" by Reza Aslan. The Bar Abbas comes from other characters in the New Testament, such as Simon Bar Jesus (Son of Joshua [Yeshua/Yoshua]).
Bar abba means son of the father. Abbas is not a Hebraic name. It's more of an Arabic form of whatever that word would be, but all that doesn't matter, since they refer to someone's father. And you're right. There was no such custom in Roman led Judea. What that "custom" is derived from is the custom of sacrificing one of two lambs and releasing the other in the Jewish temple every Passover. It's called the Passover lamb. That is what the story represents. Jesus (or Judas) Barabas is released as the innocent lamb, Jesus is held and sacrificed as the guilty Passover lamb. His death is supposed to represent the final Passover lamb of the Temple before its destruction. None of it is based in history and many of the "laws" that Christians use to allege that Jesus was sacrificed by the Jews were all laws that either didn't exist in the books at the time, or laws that would only exist in the 2nd century CE and not before So either way, to claim historicity is folly
The 600,000 men might be a scribal error. While ‘aleph’ signifies 1,000 (as well as being the first letter of the Hebrew Abgad), of the word was meant to be alephim, then the reference is to ‘captains’. While that usage assumes a captain of 1,000 solders (a later concept), it might have been just 100 soldiers (or men). But that assumes that any of it has any basis in history at all.
@@leotajackson5602And we wonder why people think this God isn’t benevolent. The Egyptians didn’t appreciate the tale of Exodus when the Jews migrated after leaving Babylon
@@MarcusAurelius13 Go to the Red Sea. Dive into it at the place where the Israelites crossed it and look at Egyptian chariot wheels and horse bones. Where did they come from. Seeing is believing for normal humans, not for the stubbornly insane 🤣
Thank you. Bart is great. Do we need to rename the plant, Wandering Jew since The Exodus probably didn't? Something better than the plant formerly known as the wandering jew.
It’s interesting that the huge number of Israelites in the Bible presents a historical problem for the Exodus. Because when the Qur’an narrates the story of Moses, it quotes the Pharaoh as saying this about them: _”These are but _*_a small group of people,_*_ who are provoking & agitating us…”_ _(The Qur’an, __26:54__-55, Al-Shu’arā)_ It’s also interesting that Dr. Ehrman discusses the death of the pharaoh and how we still have the mummy of Ramses II. The Qur’an also said something about this ~1,450 years ago, before any of the relics were ever discovered. It quotes God as declaring to Pharaoh at his moment of death (before drowning): *”Today We shall preserve your body, so that you may serve a sign for those after you. But indeed, most of humanity are heedless of Our signs.”* _(The Qur’an, 10:92, Yūnus)_
LOL...stop using Bart D. Ehrman as your source to attack the bible... Bart D. Ehrman DENIES the existence of Moses too... 🤣 So that means ,your Koran is GARBAGE also , according to Bart D. Ehrman
@@krishyyfan5153 You sound very passive-aggressive. Is that perhaps because Dr. Ehrman has written countless devastating books that have utterly obliterated & decimated people’s trust of the New Testament? And which have contributed to a massive wave of suspicion, doubt, and Christian apostasy the like of which has never been seen before? I get it. If I was a Christian, I too would understand how awkward and troubling that would feel, and the need to protect my ego by calling other Scriptures like the Qur’an (which Dr. Ehrman himself has actually praised for its high level of preservation compared to the New Testament) a piece of so-called “garbage”. But I’m really sorry that you feel the urge to have to speak like that. It’s really quite a shame. But in any case, note that I never attacked the Bible to begin with; my only point was to show how the Qur’an shields itself from these historical criticisms by aligning with the Egyptological historical evidence much better than the Biblical narratives (which also has the secondary effect of proving that the Qur’an did not plagiarize blindly from the Bible, as some people falsely assume). That’s all. But as Muslims, we still believe that much of the Bible is divinely inspired and contains God’s word & truth about the prophets and His actions in history. We believe in God, and in what was revealed to us, and what was revealed before-and we surrender & devote ourselves entirely to God. Also it doesn’t matter to me that Dr. Ehrman might deny Moses’ existence. Using a strict & rigid historical method (based on methodological naturalism), it is understandable and expected that it would be highly difficult to ascertain almost _anyone’s_ existence in the ancient past. And with enough pushing, you can cast doubt on nearly ANYONE’S historicity, let alone someone ~3,500 years ago. Doubts about the existence of Jesus also used to be commonplace; but now his historicity is accepted by nearly all scholars. So for all we know, with time the same paradigm shift might occur with Moses. But until then-absence of evidence isn’t necessarily evidence of absence. And none of this even affects the original points I was making about the Qur’an.
@@celestialknight2339 stop your nonsense... All Scholars use the New Testament to study the Historicity of Jesus....They don't use the Koran....Bart Ehrman even published a Book in 2012 proving the historicity of Jesus and he used the New Testament...not the Koran...LOL
@@krishyyfan5153 Great job not responding to any of my points! Insults seems to be your preferred method of choice over intellectual argument. How elegant. To your point-of course historians use the New Testament, because once again, historians use *methodological naturalism* (if you don’t know what that term is, look it up) So it’s expected for them to go the earliest source they can get their hands on, without being allowed to assume or pre-supposed the divine inspiration of any document. But as you & I BOTH know-as believers in God-it theologically doesn’t matter to us whether God reveals something 10 years, 1,000 years, or even 1 million years after the fact! Because God by definition has Perfect Knowledge of the past, present, and future. Therefore if God DID reveal it, we can still happily accept what He says as truth, despite the timeline in which it came. But ironically, those SAME New Testament scholars you reference would actually agree MORE with the Quran’s presentation of Jesus (and particularly his self-perception) than they would the New Testament, which they virtually all agree is FILLED with ahistorical myths, legends, changes & distortions, and Hellenistic pagan-influenced ideas of the Messiah that Jesus himself never taught in the streets of Galilee as a humble & devout Palestinian Jewish preacher of God. Dr. Bart Ehrman himself is on the record as saying that Jesus probably thought of himself as no more than the Messiah and *_”an apocalyptic prophet”_* And this agrees MUCH more with the Qur’an, than with the exaggerated, inflated, and excessive claims of Christians (and various New Testament authors) that Jesus supposedly claimed to be things such as God’s co-equal divine son (which he never said), or a part of the Trinity who is equally worthy of worship alongside the Father (which he never said). These are now basically provable falsehoods, which deviate severely from the historical Christ’s actual teachings. Historical Bible scholars know this. (And for us Muslims, that’s why the Qur’an came “afterwards” in the first place-to CORRECT those mistaken beliefs, and to bring people back to the truth & reality of the matter) So yes, those historians & scholars obviously go to the New Testament first to study the person of Jesus-but they also recognize that it is FILLED with historical exaggerations and inaccuracies about Christ’s self-perception and alleged teachings. And Dr. Ehrman has written incredible works about the evolution that we see in the Gospels, as you go from the earliest account (Mark) to the latest account (John) where you can visibly see these numerous theological changes, exaggerations, and inflations of Jesus’s image as he goes from a humble rabbi and preacher of God (in the Synoptics), all the way to a semi-divine or divine being who no longer preachers about God’s kingdom, but almost EXCLUSIVELY about Himself in John’s Gospel (with all sorts of suddenly new and suspiciously unheard of “I Am” statements that didn’t exist in ANY of the previous Synoptic Gospels). Thus there is CLEAR embellishment going on, where Jesus’s image is like a snowball that just keeps getting bigger as it rolls with time. Nearly all New Testament scholars agree with this, including Dr. Ehrman-whose books such as _”Misquoting Jesus”_ and _”How Jesus Became God”_ I would highly recommend that you read for more knowledge and insight. But once again-I stand firm in my claim-that you can take ANY unbiased or secular New Testament scholar/historian, and ask them the following question: *”Which is more consistent with the best historical evidence we have on how the historical Jesus of Nazareth probably viewed himself?”* *A)* A book which claims that Jesus declared himself to be the divine son of God, a co-equal member of a Holy Trinity, and a divine incarnation of none other than YHWH the God of the Old Testament, who has come down from Heaven and is eternally worthy of the highest religious worship and divine praise. Or *B)* A book which claims that Jesus was simply a wise Jewish rabbi and humble believer in God, who thought of himself as the awaited Jewish Messiah and an apocalyptic prophet, who preached to the Children of Israel, and who thought of himself as being distinct from God-a servant of God-and no more than a divinely-inspired human messenger, sent by God to preach and warn before the coming Day of Judgement. Without a doubt, I can practically GUARANTEE you that the overwhelming *vast majority* of historians & secular New Testament scholars, would agree with *Option B* which represents *the Qur’an* (yes, even though it came later!)-and NOT the Christian conception which you believes comes from the Bible. So even though they may not take the Qur’an has history, they would still confess that the Qur’an is _more historically accurate_ in its representation of who Jesus thought himself to be.
@@celestialknight2339 are you kidding me??...How many Times did Bart Ehrman accuse the Koran of copying from Gnostic Heretics.... It was the Gnostic Heretics who propagated the belief that a SWAP of persons happened during the Crucifixion of Jesus... the Koran Copied this Gnostic heresy... Bart Ehrman affirms that Jesus truly died on the Cross...
Is it true that the Bible when describing the Pharaoh chasing the Israelites going through the parting of Red Sea, that it never describes Pharaoh going that far but only his army? So the pharaoh is never actually described as drowning, or dying there.
The children of Israel were now at the spring equinox - at the end of the year. Up to this time, the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud (the days are cloudy during the rainy season) and by night in a pillar of fire = the stars (“toward evening during the rainy season, the clouds disappear, the Sun sets in a clear sky, and the nights are serene and fine ") " that they might go by day and night " (Ex. 13.2121). But now, at the end of winter, the rainy season being over, the Angel of the Gods (the spring equinox) removed and went behind them, and came between the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these (Ex. 14.20). Thus, were the two parties, winter and summer, situated; the one would not recede and other could not advance. A miracle, of course, must be wrought to save the chosen of the Gods. So, the Lord said to Moses - "lift up thy rod, and stretch out thy hand over the sea and divide it" (Ex. 14.16). Aquarius rises heliacally or just before the Sun, and you will see Moses with his uplifted rod and outstretched hand, in the very act of dividing the Red Sea (the Aurora of the morning - of Spring). The waters (the rainy season) thus divided, the children of Israel pass over or through the sea dry-shod, while the Egyptians, pursuing, were "shook off" into the waters, i.e., winter ended and summer began. Take a look at Moses aka Aquarius with his rod in his left hand and water pot in his right hand.
The major thing that upsets me about exodus and other OT stories is that they can inculcate supremacist arrogance and entitlement mentality, if you believe them. "God chose OUR tribe. We are unique. Special. Not like you. "
The book of Exodus is 'traditionally' ascribed to Moses as the author but modern scholars believe it is a composite work, likely written between 900-500 bce and then compiled. That being the case, the Rod of Asclepius, the Greek god of medicine and healing, likely dates to between 700-500 bce and is identical to the bronze snake on a pole in the book of Numbers that Moses makes after YHWH instructed him to "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived." So, ask yourself: why in the world would YHWH tell Moses to make this EXACT totemic item? A snake on a pole that heals people when they look at it? Asclepius' Rod is thought to have been a symbol of actual cures ascribed to Asclepius, and the rat snakes were used in the Asclepieion, the 'hospitals' and clinics created to honor Asclepius and his healing arts. So, in both the Hebrew and Greek traditions, we have these things in common on this issue: 1. A pole 2. A snake ON the pole 3. Healing associated with the snake
I'm so glad he mentions Joseph and the Hyksos. I definitely believe this was the source of the Exodus story, as the official Egyptian chronology is 300 years off. There were two Hyksos/Hebrew expulsions, after they were driven out the first time they went and got Nubian mercenaries and came back and took the place over and ruled a large part of Egypt until being driven out again. It is then that the Hebrews established their own country, and during the second period Egypt became multiculturalized.
Biblical Joseph is the constellation Sagittarius, his "chariot" was just behind Pharaoh (Scorpio). Oh! That Scorpion, he is such a meanie...throughout the bible. He had so many bad attributes, such as Satan..father of lies. Oh my! There never was a liar like Scorpion.
I heard a theory saying that the Abraham and Sarah refugee story was a portrayal of the Hyksos. The idea being that the Hyksos were refugees from India after the Aryan invasion. Hindu gods Brahma and Sarasweti equals Abraham and Sarah. Hagar symbolizes the Egyptian women and the intermixing that bore the Arabs (Ishmael)
@@1traphistory It appears that Abram was married to the wife of Brahma who was also the wife of Osiris. Adam/Cain/Seth are from Egyptian myth. Set/Seth a son of Nut (Heaven) and Geb (Earth) is both the "father" and "son." Set/Seth was an evil god who was killed by Horus. Isis, brought Set/Seth back as a reformed servant of Ra. Set/Seth was depicted as a number of animals, such as the donkey. He was also the Cockatrice and others.
The quranic story doesn't have the name Egypt, it has a different name with many different details .. that could actually shift the geographics of the events to a completely different place
I’m glad im not crazy for making the connect when I compared the Bible timeline with who would have been pharaoh in Moses supposed time in Egypt since the Bible conveniently leaves out the name of certain pharaohs
I’m one who does, and I have very good arguments for doing so. Trying to be heard now but it’s tough sledding: it seems that when you show people how these stories could be true, how they really went down, they close their ears quickly.
@@BeardVsTheWorldUK1 what is there besides what’s been rewritten over and over that much of it is different from what ever the original was and can’t be verified…it’s basically hearsay
@@nimagougol8781 The Israelites are the Canaanites…they were a people who blended in with the Canaanites and took on and over the Canaanites belief system and branched off from them creating their own religion and culture….read a book call The Bible Unearthed and there’s many more books to check on this subject ✌🏿
@@sa-raking7568 Only because it satisfies your own personal world view. I'm sorry you feel this way, because you're missing out on something that goes beyond politics, right and wrong, and yes, even religion. But don't let me keep you-you do you.
At one point years ago a news story came out saying that more contemporary findings say that during the so called parting of the Red Sea the area where that event was supposed to have occurred was far different than the Biblical description and the peoples could have walked physically across the described area. A woman stated this news account in my mom’s Sunday School class at which point she was treated as if she were delusional.
I would expect Moses to have an Egyptian name ; he was rescued and raised by Egyptians .. so I was wondering why you both were stupidly laughing that he didn’t have a Hebrew name?
@@alamunez I still don’t get it .. If your saying Moses was a fictional character ( many would disagree ) but if this “fictional character” was rescued by an Egyptian woman why would he have a Hebrew name?
@@camilleespinas2898 None of the actual experts would disagree. Again, the conversation is about why the fictional character would be named an Egyptian name, what function it serves in the telling of the story.
What about the encampment at the base of the mount as well as the split rock showing that there once was a lake at the site, as well as pillars and alters ?
Moab is two words of Mo (water) and ab (father). Moses is a personification of Aquarius and the month of January. Medad is two words of me (water) and dad (lover). This is Libra (Reed) in Isaiah 9.14-15.
It is hard to disapprove a story...it is even harder to disapprove a written story. Especially a story with magic and super naturals... We have many of those in Africa, magical things happening passed from generation to generation. Now imagine if it was written
This really got me thinking. I first remember reading it was Ramses army who ran in to the red sea crossing and drowned but then it was Akenahten and Moses and witch God is he meeting?
@@harveywabbit9541 great. So a man who has no connection to ancient Judaism and might speak modern Hebrew which has zero connection to ancient Hebrew says it means something that every scholar says can't be translated? Sure... if run with that
The 600,000,000,000,000, chariots of iron (winter) are the six southern constellations called Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. This is also the six nights in Genesis one. This fairy tale is modified when the writers took the first night (libra) and added it to the six "days" to get the sacred seven months of summer. This left winter with five chariots of iron aka Scorpio - Pisces. Rev 9.5, describes these five signs/months that brings us up to the spring equinox. Pharaoh rides in the first chariot (Scorpio) and behind him is Joseph (Sagittarius).
@@glorihulda933 Oh! How those Pagan Jews loved to blend their astronomical charts. Assuming that all the viewers are aware that Moses was more commonly called Bacchus/Dionysus and even Osiris. We find he was born on December 25 when the winter solstice was in Aquarius. The Latin Jupiter was the "father" of Moses. In the Pagan mythology, Dionysus or Bacchus was the son of Jupiter by Semele. The father of the Gods, at the request of Semele, having approached her with his thunder and lightning, set the palace on fire, when Semele perished in the flames. Being at her seventh month, Jupiter transferred the infant Bacchus into his thigh to be brought forth at the proper time. This story, which is related in almost every book on mythology, Thomas Franklin, D.D... The translator of Lucian, styles a "ridiculous fable." But crack the nut, and the rich meat will appear. Jupiter is the year, being represented by the Man in the frontispiece of every almanac. Semele is the summer of seven months, and denoted by the Man's body. Summer extended from the 25th of March, or Annunciation day, to the 25th of October, the last of the ancient summer months. Thence to the 25th of December would be two months. These added to the seven summer months would make nine months, the time required. The second birth would then take place at the winter solstice, denoted by the Man's knees, to which Capricorn points. (See old farmer's almanac.)
it's allegory, the staff is always the spine, the snake is the Kundalini energy rising up the spine. How come you don't know this??? this is vary well known now.
The Bible is a metaphor for spiritual and intellectual enlightenment. If you interpret it literally, you’re not getting it. Its an esoteric hidden knowledge (Gnostic) in the story. It’s a story within a story to illustrate a deeper meaning of something. All the characters in it are personifications or archetypes of others in ancient Egypt. They use symbolism in it. The snake symbolism I believe is the vibrational frequencies of energy. All the characters are fictional. The numbers as in the Bible are numerology, since the New Testament was written in Greek, the ‘word’ is the spoken word. John 1:1 “ In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god.” And right after that it says ‘Let there be light.” The twelve disc/iple of Jesus is reference to the twelve signs of the zodiac as it portrayed in the photo of the last supper. The disciples of Jesus is grouped in 3 by 4 to get 12 and Jesus the Sun being the number 13. The story is literary, poetic, allegorical, metaphorical. “Many will look with their eyes but cannot see, and to listened with their ears but cannot hear……”
Note that Joktan/Yoktan has 13 "sons." The famous 12 are found in Genesis one. The six days = Aries thru Virgo (spring equinox - autumn equinox). The six nights = Libra thru Pisces (autumn equinox - spring equinox). This is modified when Libra, the first light, is added to the six "days" to get the sacred seven. Sheba (7) is where we find Saturn ruled by Venus. This shake-up left the seven "days' representing summer and the remaining five (Scorpio thru Pisces) becomes winter (sun in southern hemisphere. See Rev. 9.5, where the five months that can harm man is led by the scorpion. Winter is also symboled as Iron. The five wounds of Jesus (as winter) is these five constellations. Jesus, as the winter sun, always "dies" at the Pass Over from Egypt (winter) to the Promised Land (summer). As the Christ "he" will "die" as the sun leaves "summer" and enters "winter." This is the destruction of the Temple of God (the seven months of "summer) and transition to "winter." The death of Summer is marked by the slaying of the Ram (Aries) the Golden Ram who gets his horns entangled in the thorns (winter).
The bible is not alone or special in this regard. Not only can many ancient spiritual texts be interpreted this way , many other nonspiritual texts have been also. More than any writings importance is the knowledge and skill of the interpreter.
I agree they need interpretation. But if interpreted in the psyche, the interpretation is grounded and interactive. It also appears in just about every single piece of story told literature from antiquity. It is in fact, the template of 'The Hero's Journey." The similarities are because they are sharing the original template. I find it in the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation epic which is older than Genesis. It's fake. I can show it.
Why would God purposefully confuse and trick people?? The same Bible says "God is not the author of confusion. the author of confusion is the devil"... I'm confused... Oh wait! I don't have the "holy spirit" to guide me right?" But God loves EVERYONE and wants everyone to know Him... but only a few REALLY get to know him??? Sooo coonfusing.
The Hyksos period and expulsion fits perfectly the time between Joseph and the time of the Exodus which occurs around 200 years later after the death of Joseph and his brothers. The Hyksos were of semitic origin allowing for the rise of Joseph also a semite. The Torah then states that a time came when a new pharaoh came to power (an Egyptian not a Hyksos) that knew not of Joseph (better translated to could have cared less about the historical Joseph) and the Hebrews living in Egypt which were a constant reminder to this new pharaoh of the possible danger to his empire these Hebrews engendered should the Hyksos or another semitic race of peoples decide to try and take back the reins of power from the Egyptian rulers. This threat was not far away but living among them in Egypt itself, therefore the new king of Egypt was determined to quell that threat by enslaving the Hebrews under his rule. Nobody knows for sure who this pharaoh was for he isn't named in the Torah. Some say Ramses II, others Seti 1 and others some other king. I have always doubted it was Ramses II for the time frame simply doesn't fit. Also they did not cross the Red Sea, that is a Christian mistranslation of the text. Jews have always known it was the Sea of Reeds just across from Midian, Moses old stomping grounds for 40 years with his wife and father-in-law Jethro (Reuel).
The whole entire story is mythology. Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt. "Semite" is a huge language family that include, along with Hebrew, Akadian, Babylonian, Syriac, Amorite, Proto-Canaanite, Phonecian. Moabite and more. The Exodus story was composed no earlier than the 5th Century BCE (based on the topography. Exodus names cities and places that did not exist before then) and while it might be influenced by the Hyksos narrative, it's still essentially a literary creation and a foundation myth. Just as a reminder, he Hyksos were not slaves, they were rulers and they did not escape, they were chased away.
The fact that the Pharaoh is not named casts a lot of doubt. This is probably the most powerful man in the world at this time. It just seems incredible that he is not named. Like referring to the President of the United States in the Civil War without mentioning the name of Abraham Lincoln.
@@PeterGregoryKelly That is a serious consideration and one that should be taken into the investigation but not one that totally discredits the account.
@@PeterGregoryKelly The name of Ramesses II is referenced indirectly when it says the Israelites were forced to build the city of Pi-Ramesses, a city which was built by Ramesses II. For trhis reason, Ramesses II is sometimes identified as the Pharaoh of the Exodus in pop culture (e.g. DeMille's *Ten Commandments*). One huge problem with this identification is that Ramesses II did not drown in the Red Sea. We know this for a fact because his mummy is in a museum in Cairo and the body has been forensically examined up the wazoo (literally and figuratively). He was 90 years old when he died and he didn't die of drowning, he died of a tooth infection.
13:56 I have been obsesaed with the scape goat narrative!! I am pretty sure Jesus is the goat that is sacrificed who's blood is used to anoint and Judas is the Scapegoat that is cast out. its the same Dark knight haha Batman is the Scapegoat Harvey is the Sacrifice to anoint Gotham lol If modern politics has taught me anything take a second look when somebody says "For the Profits obviously." Not to mention Azazel was also the angel castout from heaven right?
The first of these we shall notice is the scapegoat found in Leviticus 16 - " And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities to a land not inhabited " (vs. 22). The original (and also the marginal reading of the common Bible) is - to a land of "separation" in allusion, doubtless, to the line of the equator, which separates the two hemispheres. This line is “not inhabited." Now let us observe the marvels which a critical examination of this subject will bring to light. The priest (Aaron = the point of the summer solstice in Cancer) is to " take the two goats, and present them before the Lord (Sun in Capricorn, opposite Cancer then setting as the Sun rises) at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation " (winter solstice), where the Sun is, Aries, the leader of the congregation being on his meridian (Lev. 16.7). He is next to " cast lots upon the two goats; one (Capricorn) for the Lord, and the other (Sun) for the scapegoat' 1 (Lev. 16.8). Here the Sun in Capricorn is conceived of as two goats, while really there is but one, and he a personification. This one (Capricorn) "upon which the Lord's lot fell," is to be instantly sacrificed (i.e., left by the Sun) for a sin-offering, or the remission (the giving-up) of the sins of the world, or of the year, i.e., the Sun's south declination will decrease from the winter solstice and become nought at the spring equinox. The other, the Sun, will be for a scape-goat, to bear off the sins (Sun's south declination) of the world, which had been heaped upon him during the past three months, and be " presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him " - with him, not to him (Lev. 16.10). Thus: The Goat (Capricorn) is sacrificed (left behind) when the Sun leaves him; and the Sun in leaving him, escapes the Goat, and hence becomes the scape-goat, and so is no goat, any more than the man who escapes the gallows, is a gallows. The High Sun will be the Summer solstice in Leo or Cancer. There is a strong connection between Issachar (Cancer constellation) and Zebulun (Capricorn constellation). Also note...Aquarius (Rebuben) is opposite Leo (Judah).
Hyskos is the most accurate based on where the rubber meets the road because as a tribe there is historical record of this group being continuously thrown out of over 100 countries.
Interesting that he claims that they found chariots in the bottom of the red sea. Which is true they didn't find them in the red sea. They found them in the Gulf of Aqaba where the crossing actually occurred. They also found an excellent place for the actual Mount Sinai which is actually called still today the mountain of Moses but it's not in the Sinai Peninsula it's actually in the peninsula of Arabia. There is even a stone there that appears to have been split and water coming out from the base of it in antiquity. But all of these things occurred about 1450 bc, not 1250 BC or closer to 1200 BC as people try and manipulate the Bible into. Because the Bible is not necessarily exact according to its chronological order, and we know this because the Septuagint has different dates and times in it than does the Leningrad codex. Which means that somebody changed the text of the Old Testament between 200 BC and 1000 ad. And it may have been done so to confuse the genealogy of Christ. As for any of these subferonic peoples possibly being moses, that is completely consistent with scripture and its references. Because even Ramses is a version of Moses! So I don't know when this interview was taken, but the evidence for the Exodus does exist it just exists about 200 to 250 years off of what was claimed in biblical scriptures for many centuries now. And the hicksos primarily did occur far before the exodus, but there is fellas of the time, in the middle dynastic era that indicate that they had expelled a group of Hebrews, although by a slightly different name. But they're never going to admit that they actually were able to show up the Powers at b. And the Bible is not really strict on whether or not Ramses was killed trying to catch up with the refugees while crossing the Gulf of Aqaba. But the fact that his choice Army was destroyed would have been just as severe to his reputation. Plus Egypt ran all of the peninsula of the Sinai at the time and it was critical that the Hebrews get out of Egyptian territory. Where in the world did you get the idea that 3 million people was more than the population of Egypt at the time. Even a cursory examination of when they believed that the Great Pyramid was built, which isn't true at all but they have evidence of about 15 to 20 million people living in Egypt at 2500 BC. If there were only three to four million people in Egypt at that time they would not have even been able to keep up the edifices that we know about they would not have had enough people to even keep them going. And we only know about 20 to 30% of what is expected to still be in the area of egypt. Egypt was Far larger, especially when it was known as Khem or Khemet. We have direct knowledge that the pyramids are several thousand years older than asserted by archaeologists because of the ostrich egg in the Cairo Museum that depicts the serpent as the River Nile and the three pyramids that have been etched on it that tests several thousand years before they claim the pyramids were even built. That is direct evidence that they existed at least 5000 BC which puts them about 2500 years older at the very least then these wild ass guesses from people in the early 1800s when archeology was barely more than people running around blowing s*** up and trying to get at how old things actually were. They weren't even able to decipher Egyptian writings yet. Dometic or the hieroglyphs. And then this man with his Harry Potter glasses is complaining about 600 chariots, that's at least 1800 Special Forces at the head of an army that's at least 10 to 12,000 men, going after people who are walking across the desert already and I would Hazard a guess that it's at least double that amount, when you get all of the Infantry and the support troops and everything else that you have to provide. Don't forget that this was the army that was the most capable on the planet at the time. That would be like complaining that the United States did not utterly devastate the Iraqi troops of 200,000 mechanized troops with a mere 30,000 of our own, when we sent in in one battle a single tank got through a fire break and destroyed eight tanks before the other tanks even made the break through the fireline. According to the Egyptians the Pharaoh at the time of the expulsion of the Hebrews was Ahmoses. Which would have placed it in the 1400s, so you're talking about about the 15th century. And a couple of hundred years off for archaeologists irritates the hell out of archaeologists but there's actually pretty good at guessing age. And many of these people actually left and went to several other countries because not everybody stayed with moses. Many of them took off on their own. Remember that the Bible is a book of signs and symbols. The serpent on the stake is a symbol. It's meant to teach them a little bit of Faith because they head up till then only showed faith when they thought it was in their best interest. They have to learn to live in faith at all times. And the evidence at the foot of Mount Moses doesn't indicate 2 to 3 million people. It indicates about 600,000 total. And it could be that that was the only misrepresentation was that it was about 600,000 total which would have only allowed about 70 to 80,000 at best of fighting age. And when you're talking about Barabas and you misrepresent the understanding of what is shown with that story, remember that the word Barabas means son of the father. It's a symbolic incident. The world and yes Christ was crucified outside the city. And the temple was also outside the city. The temple was not inside the city of David. It was actually about 600 ft south of the Dome of the Rock. Right behind where the Western Wall sits today and the Western Wall was never a part and parcel of the actual Temple. There is even a threshing floor at that location. And it's the only place in the area where you can actually grow things and it was originally purchased as a farm. I'd like to see you put seeds out on the Dome of the Rock and grow stuff. There is at least once where Moses sits and speaks with God as if you would speak to a friend, face to face. And many theologist find this insane because they claim that no one can while in the flesh, stand before god. Which is a misinterpretation of the events. Remember these things have been translated at least six times from the original Hebrew into Aramaic and then into several other languages since then. And then we only have the translation from the Leningrad codex which we know to be a corrupted translation because the Pharisees and sadducees, who were not Hebrews or if they were they were basically assigned to their positions by the Romans or by Herod who was a puppet of the Romans anyway, and they needed to usurp the reality of Yeshua, Jesus's Hebrew name, and disturb his lineage. I like the video, as wrong as some of it appears to be, because I also like the gnostics because I think they were the ones who understood the actual reality of Yeshua. I actually am of the opinion that the gnostics had once been what we call the essenes.
Very interesting comment thank you. Yes, I think the Gnostics got it partly right. In 'Fragments of a Faith forgotten' by Mead when I had it, I remember a passage where Jesus was talking to the Christ (spirit). My current theology - Ha, is that in the beginning, God the Father is Spirit, the Christ is spirit with him as the Word and his first born, and the "holy spirit" is the life, the breath of God. So Jesus was talking to the Christ before he was baptised. When he was baptised the holy spirit of God with the Christ spirit came upon him, and he became Jesus the Christ full of the holy spirit of God. The Gnostics say that Christ came to Earth already in his spiritual body which was never one of flesh. However, I believe that he was also born as a man to relate to humankind and in that way as a man was never part of God. ( The word became flesh and dwelt among us) However, in the mystery of a death being required and blood to be spilt in that regard, he humbled himself to the lowest possible level, and maximum suffering which fooled all the powers and principalities in the spiritual realm, and was exalted above all of them in the highest place as a "god" ie a divine being under the Father, the Most High God, and now sits at his right hand as his heir - just as we can also be his heir ( don't you know that you are all "gods") by being in union with Jesus, the Way to the Father. The Father put his holy spirit in Jesus, who in turn gives the same holy spirit of the Father to us. Jesus breathed the holy spirit of God into his disciples. I am also fascinated by the Essenes, and was before I became a follower of the Way, but these were the occult sub branch gnostic group. Even though he is pre-trib, a trinitarian, and a dispensationalist -Ha, I think Ken Johnson as a translator and scholar of the Dead Sea Scrolls is the closest I have come across regarding the original Essenes who came down the line of the Zadok priests. His narrative is that they were the original "Jews" and the first followers of the Way. At the destruction of the first temple and sacking of Jerusalem, he says they escaped to Egypt to avoid the Roman slaughter until it was safe to come back to the Dead Sea area. However, some of them stayed in Egypt and split into various groups, particularly in Alexandria where scores of gnostic sects formed. That's what Mead's book was about, picking up scraps of some of the fragments that remained in tact. Simon Magus as recorded in the book of Acts was one of these who initially was a follower of the Way, but evidently turned gnostic, came back to Jerusalem and tried to buy the power of the Most High that Peter was demonstrating, which of course was refused him. "As in the days of Noah" are almost upon us as part of the cycles that are recorded for us to learn and gain wisdom from, and from what I believe are the writings of the Essenes recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls, I think give us practical expression and wisdom of how we should be living to face the dark times ahead of us that they were in the middle of.
Thutmoses 3 was probably the Exodus' Pharoah. Hathshepsut was co-ruler with him and later her images were removed because she supported Moses. Thutmose eldest son didn't succeed him on the throne because he died in childhood. This coincides with the biblical plague that killed all the Egyptian firstborn. The Kolbrin Bible's Book of Manuscripts has a section titled The Destroyer that gives an Egyptian account of the Exodus.
Interesting interview. I have a question, though, one that makes people, especially scholars, uncomfortable: you mentioned the Midians. These Hebrews went to war with them. Moses was married to one. In one Bible chapter M. has a long chat with his father-in-law that shows how different these 2 early peoples were. Since the Hebrews grew from the Arameans, and their homeland is in northern Syria, and the evidence above points to the Midians being a neighboring people, and Abraham himself lived in Harran and Ur (Urfa) in southeastern Turkey, right over the Syrian border, shouldn’t we be looking for signs of the Exodus here instead of in Egypt? Also, I forgot to mention: these Midians are linked to the historical Mitanni Empire, whose base was around Lake Van in SE Turkey. If I remember correctly, the Exodus mentions the Mt Ba’al-zaphon. Mt Suphan sits at the western edge of this lake and was long viewed as the home of the local Thunder god by these polytheists. And don’t get me started on the mountain to Suphan’s south, whose crater can be seen from space and whose name is strikingly similar to Nimrod’s-it’s Nemrut. Local sources also speak of Nemrud and Namrud. I’d love to hear a take on this since the issue is very important.
Unfortunately for you. Archeologists have proven the Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe living in the Hills of Canaan. And more important that Egypt ruled over Canaan. *Abraham himself lived in Harran and Ur* You mean Ur of the Chaldeans who did not take control of Ur or Babylon until 616BCE. Which dates the Torah/Pentateuch to that date.
@@fordprefect5304 I would be very interested to see more evidence of this. The earliest Hebrews were difficult to place, indeed, but the fact that Abraham lived in Harran and Ur-two cities easily found in SE Turkey, and that Moses was not only married to a Midian woman but must have lived within walking distance of a volcano (pillar of smoke day and night, burning bush, etc) tells me these scientists haven't done their homework.
@@BeardVsTheWorldUK1 The earliest *Israelites* have been placed. Referring to the hills of Canaan/Israel. *The Israelites were Canaanites* Dr Dever: "We know today, from archeological investigation, that there were more than 300 early villages of the 13th and 12th century in the area. I call these "proto-Israelite" villages". Artifacts found in these villages match artifacts found in Samaria and Shechem and other Israelite and Judite cities. NO Egyptian artifacts have been found. *This has been verified by archeologists* i.e. Mazur, Na'aman, Finkelstein, Faust Israeli archaeologist Ze’ev Herzog provides his view on the historicity of the Exodus: *The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole chain is broken. It is not a historical one. It is a later legendary reconstruction - made in the seventh century [BCE] - of a history that never happened*
@@BeardVsTheWorldUK1 *Harran and Ur-two cities easily found in SE Turkey* If you bothered to read a history book, The Chaldeans and the Meades defeated the Assyrians. They divided Mesopotamia, The Meades got Anatolia (Turkey) and Northern Mesopotamia. The Chaldeans got Babylon and the Levant. Hence the Ur's located in Anatolia make no sense.
@@BeardVsTheWorldUK1 [Genesis 36] 31 These are the kings who reigned in the *land of Edom* , before any king reigned over the Israelites. 32 Bela son of Beor reigned in Edom, the name of his city being Dinhabah. 33 Bela died, and Jobab son of *Zerah of Bozrah* succeeded him as king. The first Zerah is listed in Genesis 36:13-17 as a grandson of Esau And these are the sons of Reuel; Nahath, and Zerah, Shammah, and Mizzah: these were the sons of Bashemath Esau's wife. Edom did not exist before the 9th century. The Bible dates itself. Anything else I can help you with?
The first of these we shall notice is the scapegoat found in Leviticus 16 - " And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities to a land not inhabited " (vs. 22). The original (and also the marginal reading of the common Bible) is - to a land of "separation" in allusion, doubtless, to the line of the equator, which separates the two hemispheres. This line is “not inhabited." Now let us observe the marvels which a critical examination of this subject will bring to light. The priest (Aaron = the point of the summer solstice in Cancer) is to " take the two goats, and present them before the Lord (Sun in Capricorn, opposite Cancer then setting as the Sun rises) at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation " (winter solstice), where the Sun is, Aries, the leader of the congregation being on his meridian (Lev. 16.7). He is next to " cast lots upon the two goats; one (Capricorn) for the Lord, and the other (Sun) for the scapegoat' 1 (Lev. 16.8). Here the Sun in Capricorn is conceived of as two goats, while really there is but one, and he a personification. This one (Capricorn) "upon which the Lord's lot fell," is to be instantly sacrificed (i.e., left by the Sun) for a sin-offering, or the remission (the giving-up) of the sins of the world, or of the year, i.e., the Sun's south declination will decrease from the winter solstice and become nought at the spring equinox. The other, the Sun, will be for a scape-goat, to bear off the sins (Sun's south declination) of the world, which had been heaped upon him during the past three months, and be " presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him " - with him, not to him (Lev. 16.10). Thus: The Goat (Capricorn) is sacrificed (left behind) when the Sun leaves him; and the Sun in leaving him, escapes the Goat, and hence becomes the scape-goat, and so is no goat, any more than the man who escapes the gallows, is a gallows. The High Sun will be the Summer solstice in Leo or Cancer. There is a strong connection between Issachar (Cancer constellation) and Zebulun (Capricorn constellation). Also note...Aquarius (Rebuben) is opposite Leo (Judah).
@@harveywabbit9541 interesting how these sacrifices could get rerouted and melded into pagan tradition with parameters quite specific and reflexive. Sounds like we are sending a 1 pulse per second to Sophia and the Light bringer, encoded of our seasonal cycle. Earth's harmonic frequency, if u will.
9:01 why Ramose II? There were many pharaohs with the name Ramose… why and how do they pick the ramose they pick? The pharaoh is never mentioned by name…….
Genesis is framed up on the template of "The Hero's Journey' like so many other works from antiquity. Humans today have lost the ability to figure them out, instead opting to treat them as real. Like trying to figure out what species of Tortoise or Hare, what they must have believed in etc, never figuring out there is a nested lesson. And it isn't for the theists or the academics. It is only for the soul seeker.
Did Moses become his own Grandpa? Moses (winter), like Cain (winter)...married his own mother. Moses, or Aquarius, passing from the dark into the light hemisphere, married Zipporah (the singing bird), the Virgo of spring. By Zipporah, Moses had two sons - Eliezer (Ram- helps = summer), and Gershom (A-stranger-here = winter, i.e., winter comes after summer). Zipporah circumcised her son. Of course, she did; but her son was her husband. This the text distinctly declares: "Then Zipporah took a sharp stone (the stone Ebenezer) and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at his (her son's) feet, and said, surely a bloody husband art thou to me " (Ex. 4.25). Language cannot be plainer. Now, in explanation: Moses had two sons, Eliezer and Gershom. The first personified summer, was not circumcised, because he didn't reach the end of the year. Hence, he was " cut off from his people " (Gen. 17. 14). Gershom was born in a strange land, as his name imports. He thus represented both hemispheres with his father; and both coming to the spring equinox at the same moment, were circumcised by Zipporah, who, coming down to the western horizon, seized the stone, cut off the "foreskin" of each, and cast it at their (Moses') feet - Aquarius having just entered the upper hemisphere. (See your Zodiac.) Thus, we can understand how the Bible worthies intermarried - the father the daughter, the son the mother, etc.
@@ironsharkddd Yes, Islam is also framed on the template of the Hero's Journey. If all the Abrahamic religions evolved from Genesis, then by default, it doesn't become any more true after that. Christians and Muslims are far down stream from reality.
The fact that the Hyksos had taken over a large part of Egypt at some prior date was the source of Egyptian distrust of anybody who might be from non-Egyptian origin, particularly if the spoke a different language and/or had different customs (especially religious customs).
Re: the name of Moses. If the Egyptian aristocracy and the Israelites came from a common ancestor, it's possible that Moses could be both a Hebrew and an Egyptian name. The Hebrews may have reserved the use of the name while the Egyptians used it as a Royal name. And if you know a bit of paleo-Hebrew, the name Moses takes on an additional dimension. The first symbol (or the first letter) is Mem, which can mean Water or Chaos, And the meaning of the name Moses is "One who is/was drawn from the Water. As for the Egyptians, their own symbol for Water looks just like Mem.
Jordan Peterson had a interesting take on the Exodus story. It was a phycological slant where the snakes were fears and the people had to look at their fears in order to overcome them. They had been slaves and wanted to go back in some cases. If they wanted to be a fee people they would have to contend with all that freedom means. the good and the bad. Free to prosper, free to starve, Borrowed from a Viking book.
It's not in Canaan, where archeologists are generally in wide agreement the nation of Israel first formed, however there is a reference to Israel in the Egyptian Merneptah Stele, a monument dating back to around 1200 BC. This is, to date, the earliest mention of Israel as a people/nation, who were enemies at war with Egypt. Translated, the hieroglyphics read something like: "Israel has been laid to waste and its seed is no more". So already by then, it was an identifiable civilization, that the Egyptians were commemorating their defeat of. Clearly they were unsuccessful if their intentions were to eradicate the Israelites as a collective people, a failure that would be repeated multiple times under different empires, most recently, of course, with Hitler's genocide. Otherwise, there are archeological evidences of a culture in Canaan that is recognizably Jewish, or proto-Jewish (though a bit later than the stele, the settlements, for instance, show a conspicuous absence of pig bones) before it was, if memory serves, entirely monotheistic. Monotheism, the defining feature of Judaism, from what we know, wasn't recognizably brought into its final form until around the time of the Babylonian exile during the time of the greatest Hebrew prophets (6th century BC). That being said, the Tanach, which is essentially the Old Testament writings wasn't put into written form until after the exile, when the preserving traditions became paramount (the prophets are often rebuking Israel's rulers for their waywardness, their idolatry, etc, so that kinda does make sense). Though it was probably handed down by generations, probably even centuries of oral tradition. Btw, monotheism itself was a thing that predates Judaism. Pharaoh Akhenaten aka Imenhotep (15th century BC) tried to change the Egyptian religion into the worship of only the Sun-God, Aten/Ra. My own conjecture, if I had to bet on a real candidate for the Moses origin story is a priest and his followers who wanted to preserve that monotheism when Akhenaten's successors reverted to the original polytheistic religion. Clearly he was out of a job, so he probably left Egypt with his followers to venture into the land of Canaan, where the real genesis of Hebrew culture happened. Ok, the evidence for this is fragmentary, but it makes some sense. Additional conjecture (not my own) holds that said God came to be identified as Yahweh - but for a period of time, the proto-Israelites were henotheists, which means they did acknowledge the existence of other gods, but were committed to the worship of one above all others (incidentally, for a while God even had a wife/female counterpart named Ashurah. Clay idols of her have been unearthed). The evidence for henotheism is preserved in Genesis, where God refers to himself as "we", though later rabbinic interpretation will argue that "we" refers to God and his angels, probably out of a commitment to the traditional narrative of Jewish monotheism going back 4000 years ago, to a figure known as "Abraham" which is more of a title than a proper name. But who's to say those angels weren't originally the companion gods? The defining feature of angels, vs gods is that the former have no free will and are absolutely subservient to Yahweh, including Satan, despite later Christian revision. Satan as an adversary to God is believed to have been the influence of either the Babylonian or the Persian Zoroastrians, the latter of whom ruled over the Jews for a while (and were one of the few empires the Jews seemed to have been OK with). BUT, since Job is considered to be the oldest text in the Tanach with the earliest mention of Satan, it preserves the tradition of Satan's role as a kind of district attorney in the court of God. He tempts man, yes, but ultimately works for God, tasked with the testing of Jewish faith in Yahweh's redemption. Check out the stele though, it's quite fascinating. Here's a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele
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Are you familiar with the research of Tim Mahoney. His doc Patterns of Evidence theorize the Exodus occurred earlier than commonly dated. He suggested where the Bible mentions the Hebrews built Pi-Rameses was actually the city it was built over called Avaris. He states the Bible calling it Pi-Ramases is anachronistic. He'd be an interesting interview
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@@HughEMC there’s a much better explanation the region called Ramses is where the King came from and was named that for at least 1000 years before he was born
When you go to Israel I’m sure you’re gonna be chaperoned and babysat by your babysitters like James Tabor you are a close minded fool
I won’t hold my breath to see if you come with any real content that you were not chaperoned to produce
I started reading the Bible yesterday after years. Been between catholicism and agnosticism for years now and when i thought i started finding my faith again i got to the part in Genesis where Abram tricked the Egyptians and gave his wife to Pharaoh then God instead of punishing Abram for lying and pimpin his wife just strikes pharaoh and his house ! What kinda god is that? Suddenly Gnosticism is making more sense
@@nacereddinechallal4405 wow stop
the world is simply not as simple as to fit your peanut brain, no offense intended. Neither is God. The end justifies the means sometimes. e.g. if you lie (bad) to prevent murder (bad and worse than lying), you do a good deed
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gnosticism is idiocy. Proof: "Gnosticism's beliefs include the idea that the material world was created by an imperfect divine being". Perfection and freedom do not exist, they're relative, e.g. a perfect apple is an apple not a pear. There is no such thing as freedom from consequence therefore no such thing as freedom, only causality and God said so: as you sow so shall you reap. That is also the basis of the so called free will, which is not free at all, you already chose your life, and your choices are mostly guided by causality, mostly from instinct
@@nacereddinechallal4405 What does any of this have to do with how we live our lives today. We do not need origin stories to know what the Ten Commandments are and the Sermon on the Mount. This may be of interest to historians. For the average person it is better to concentrate on how you are living your life, rather than how, or maybe how, people lived their lives in the distant past. This is all speculative nonsense. How are we living our lives today, that is what is important.
@@nacereddinechallal4405 But what you just presented is a petty reason to justify your position. I would think that God would be more concerned with people's motives rather than their acts. Abraham had no wicked intention to lie. He did it out of fear for his safety not bcos he wanted to hurt anybody. So God wouldn't view his action so severely. And bcos the king also did not try to take Sarah with any wicked intention (I mean what wanting to have Sarah wasn't abnormal if she was Abraham's sister) God did not kill him or his family. He only made something to happen to him as a sign so he could know Sarah was not someone he could marry.
@@ALavin-en1kr That's pretty silly. "Sure nearly everything in these books is probably bullshit but it doesn't matter as long as we're living according to millennia of people interpreting these books. "We know what the Ten Commandments are." Do we? We know what the authors that made up the same story that OP is talking about SAID those commandments were. Your statement doesn't seem to follow any internal logic unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying altogether.
Dr. Ehrman never fails to crack me up with his delivery. I highly suggest his books too, as he writes just like he speaks. The man is a national treasure.
I'm on my 3rd Bart Ehrman book and they are amazing. This is the history I've been looking for...
What? Bart an national treasure? Oh man! You're WRONG! SO UNMISTAKENLY WRONG! Bart Ehrman is an INTERNATIONAL TREASURE! You just belittled him! For shame! 😉😁
I think the Moses/Exodus story is a conflation of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt and their subsequent departure. You see, the pharaoh that defeated the Hyksos and drove them out of Kemet was Ahmose 1. He was seen as a savior among his people for liberating Egypt from these tyrannical Hyksos. I think that when the Hyksos and other Semitic tribes returned to the Levant, they began retelling the events of their expulsion as a positive event instead of a defeat. And given that the man responsible for kicking them out of Egypt was named Ahmose, it’s not hard to imagine their oral tradition conflating his identity with that a savior figure.
Just a thought.
Spot on! This is MUCH better than some of the other comments I've read from narrow-minded loonies who are too lazy and/ or stupid to drag their noses out of the Bible and learn some actual FACTS. ( My apologies if you're a Christian. I'm not...)
quote " think the Moses/Exodus story is a conflation of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt and their subsequent departure. " wow.. very good observation specially of the moses being actually AHMOSE.. and the story being a rewrite with a happy ending of what actually happened.
Your theory is worth of researching . sounds very plausible.
Here are some of the problems I have with the Hyksos=He'brew theory:
1) Hyksos were not slaves, but a ruling merchant class, owing to their position on the bronze route.
2) They were not liberated, but militarly ousted. Their army included chariots.
3) It's too early; Heb'rews appear in history on the Merneptah stele, around 1250 BC, some 300 years later. Only a century earlier, in 1350, there is still no mention of an invincible, magical horde genociding their way throughout Canaan in the Amarna letters, a correspondence between Akenaten and petty Canaanite kings (including Jerusalem's).
The one associating J'ews with Hyksos was Manetho, a Ptolemic dynasty scribe, much later after the events, in what is maybe history's first antisemitic propaganda, accusing them of spreading diseases and destroying temples. From what I see, the Hyksos bears much more likeness to the later Phoenicians, but it is likely that some Heb'rews had, in fact, some Hyksos blood nonetheless.
Well, that's what they're saying in the esoteric circles.
irrelevant. People worship the truth not Moses
Looking forward to seeing you in this course Neal! Bart is a blast!
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Me too
I've wondered why the name of the Pharaoh is not mentioned in Exodus. This is probably the most powerful man in the world at that time. It would be like mentioning the Chancellor of Germany or the President of the USA in WWII by office title only without referring by name to Hitler or Roosevelt.
Pharaoh is the winter season of five months (Rev 9.5).
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Perhaps there is a connection to the lighthouse of Alexandra.
Most powerful man in the world at that time was a Chinese emperor. It’s so strange how God ignored most of the people of antiquity, especially those with far more advanced and refined cultures. Makes me wonder…
Year's ago, when I actually started reading up on the Exodus, the more I discovered the less I believed that it was actual history. So I agree with your comment & throughout the story it's impossible not to wonder why again & again. Simply concentrating on the logistics involved for both sides, it makes a mockery of the story as given in the Bible.
@harveywabbit9541 Pharaoh comes from two Egyptian words, per a'oh, meaning "great house" referring to the royal palace. Kings weren't called Pharaoh until the New Kingdom, 1550-1070 bce. The 10 Plagues happened at least 100 years before that. The Egyptian year had 3 seasons, lasting 4 months each. Will you PLEASE drag your nose out of the Bible and LEARN something? At least stop pretending you know things that you don't!
Dr. Bart Ehrman is so knowledgable and quite entertaining as well
Yes 🙌
Not laxity
So knowledgeable but can't figure out why a baby raised in EGYPTIAN homes by EGYPTIANS would have an EGYPTIAN name🤣🤣🤣 yes its a Jewish story but Moses was raised EGYPTIAN and named by EGYPTIANs omg 🙈🤣🤣🤣 "Dr"
He only appears knowledgeable to the unlearned.
@@fredgillespie5855 In debates with theologians, Ehrman usually wins.
Awesome, thank you. I can’t help but mention that in the Hawaiian history of the Nu’uanu Battle that most of my life I believed was a myth, tho not as great as this story in the Bible, it has been verified by 800+ skulls that were found at the bottom of the Pali where the battle was.
Talk about reality. Thanks and Aloha 🌺
That battle and the surrounding events was in the 1790s, and the English were involved. Easy to look up.
Once folk thought that Troy was a myth then Schliemann dug it up.
@@fredgillespie5855 It's a valid comparison, but the thing is - Troy was real, and Achilles may have been, but if he was, he wasn't invulnerable or superhuman. Just like if Moses existed, he probably didn't part the red sea.
@@fredgillespie5855 Been there. In Turkey on the beach.
@@fredgillespie5855Yes Troy was found. Unfortunately nothing in the bible has been found and people have looked far more extensively and exhaustingly than the search for Troy.
I would say to the bible leaders at youth group, that what if it is just Chinese whispers and exaggeration in regards to Moses. I said it could be 100 people but when telling others this story they said “there were thousands” of people or we today say “millions of people” in order to portray a huge number to give awe to an account. I also said that the Red Sea was no where near them but perhaps it was a mistranslation from the “REED” sea, which you could cross on foot over the reeds growing there and the Reed sea was closer, I used to ask many questions at bible class & the teachers would sigh saying I was just playing the devil’s advocate. The leaders said” we know you have questions but we must caution that if you don’t accept theses teachings in your heart and have faith, then you were hit by a bus tomorrow and died, you will go to Hell” I know it was to scare me into now asking questions but it turned me away from faith.
@@Grains_of_truth And it's proves they're full of hot air and shouldn't be listened to
The Hebrew _yam suph_ (יַם-סוּף) does in fact mean "sea of reeds". It's the KJV that primarily promulgated the mistranslation. It probably refers to the Nile delta.
If we read those ancient texts we should be careful to take numbers to literally through our modern view. E.g. in ancient greek "myrioi" can mean "10000" or just "a huge number".
To add to that, the number 10000 also has a similar meaning in Hebrew and Aramaic (a very large number of arbitrary/unstated size). Likewise, in Hebrew and Aramaic the number 40 is used to denote a large number of arbitrary/unstated size and shows up all over the Tanakh/OT as well as the NT. This use of the number 40 may derive from the Sumerian god Enki for whom 40 was a "sacred number" and alternate written form of his name. This may explain, for example, why the _Noah_ myth changed the flood's duration to 40 nights/days from the original myth's 7 nights/days (Enki being the god who warned Atra-Hasis ["Noah"] of the other gods' plan to flood the earth).
@@alexhajnal107at that rate, you could rationalize anything into your religious views as to being true.
I can listen to Bart for hours!
I'm a new fan/subscribers! You folks do incredible work. 👏
Professor Ehrman’s delivery is very exciting. 😊 But seriously, thank you Professor Ehrman for your encyclopaedic knowledge of the Biblical text and subjecting the narrative of Moses to a rigorous test. 🙏🏽
The one thing they didn’t tell you was he didn’t exist.
Both Francesca Stavrakapolou and Israel Finkelstein (among other experts who approach it historically and scientifically) make that perfectly clear)! But ... 🙈🙉
Staveakapolou is an expert on texts not archaeology.
Finkelstein is an archaeologist but his books are dated and have been refuted.
@@BigJFindAWay Yes, Stavrakapolou is expert on the texts where the claims about Abraham, Moses, etc., are made.
Please name the sources you say refute Finklestein so I can study them.
The greeks said the Hebrews came from the east but the hyskos came in and helped Egypt but after the Egyptians didn't need them anymore they drove them out. Israeli archaeologists have also said the exodus didn't happen but if the number of people left Egypt they would still be leaving once they arrived. They crossed the reed sea not red sea because hebrew says reed sea. The 2nd expulsion was a religious revolt and i agree with Freud.
The serpent was the symbol of everlasting life and healing because it shed its skin, and this can be found in many cultures' way back before the Hebrew bible was written. The serpent curled around a staff is still the symbol of healing and appears on ambulances and hospitals today.
The caduceus yes. But the Brazen Serpent prefigured Christ’s crucifixion, insofar that all who ‘gaze upon’ it would be safe from the bite. That means XC becomes the edenic serpent by proxy, taking the curse of death upon himself and then breaking the power of the one who had taken all humanity captive after death, that is Hades. This is the wisdom of the fathers of the ancient church, which Prof. Ehrman rejects flippantly in his ignorance.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 I flippantly agree with the Professor
I understand the serpent symbol is for healing and that’s why hospitals have this symbol. But the two serpents on the staff is a different thing it’s a meaning for money and fortune. It seems to be true health care is a very profitable industry.
It has also been a symbol of knowledge
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 Thank you for the wonderful write up!
I think the serpent on the pole might be esoteric symbolism for the khundalini serpent. I honestly think most of the books are an internal pilgrimage. The Bible mentions that Solomons temple was built in silence without the sounds of construction. There is no evidence for Solomons temple which leads me to believe that the temple is referring to the body and building your temple in silence seems to be referring to meditation in my opinion.
The Israeli Antiquities Authority has found a temple in the City of David, near the Gihon Spring. They are officially calling it Melkizedek's temple. But the dating also fits for Solomon's Temple.
Solomans temple is the temple mount with the now standing dome of the rock
@@ByronWarfield demons made it for him
@@paulmetrich87 The wailing wall is the wall of Fort Antonia. Josephus' and the Apostle Luke both have accounted that Fort Antonia was on the highest peak of Mt. Moriah.
@@paulmetrich87 There are 3 peaks on Mt. Moriah, and the Temple that was found is on a peak that's about halfway up the mountain. It's in close proximity to the Gihon Spring and it matches what the Tanakh says about where the Temple was built.
The sacrifice because of our sins just sounds like “we weren’t able to rescue our friend because we were weak”.
The problem with atheism is that everything is oversimplified. It all MUST make sense from a childish perspective. Like, if you can't touch it, it doesn't exist. Or, if it doesn't make sense to one person, than it can't be real.
If there are events that humans cannot understand, then there is something exciting and new to learn.
But a lot of humans (mostly atheists) think humans are the supreme intelligence. When in fact, we are low on the totem pole of potential. The geniuses we have are super-limited.
@@Twitch_Moderator "EVERYTHING is simplified"... talk about simplifying.
Asmon, it appears you don't have any familiarity with atheists at all. Some atheists are quite well read and strive to understand gods and religions, psychology, history, philisophy, and science. But the vast majority of atheists don't know and don't care--they simply don't believe.
I would think pinning down a date for events that never happened would be very difficult.
So why DON'T you think that? What is stopping you?
@@byteme0000 Perhaps reword this so it makes sense.
Are you one of them Atheist that don't believe you're in a religion yourself?
@@Umega101By what definition of religion would atheism be?
@@traog "...a particular system of faith and worship." Atheist have to put faith and a belief that there is no sort of God because there is no real proof that disproves such.
Spaghetti monster is a hypocrisy; Edit: It's a hypocrisy because what is a "Scientific Hypothesis"? It is the building block of the Scientific Method. It requires people of science to put a lot of faith and belief into something before they go about testing it to discover if it is a truth or not. Who are any of you to go around insulting people because they want to put their faith and belief into something else they wish to test with their very own soul, should one exist. All of you Atheist are putting a lot of faith in there being no soul to go about pretending you don't have any faith ... Hypocrisy
I think the reason why the people were afraid of the 600,000 chariots was because....they were made of iron.
Iron = winter and sun in southern hemisphere. Joseph was in the chariot behind Pharaoh (Scorpio). This would make him Sagittarius.
Iron in the bronze age. 1175BCE is the onset late bronze collapse, 1050 BCE, the beginning of the Iron age.
@@Darisiabgal7573 you didn't get the joke. The old testament god was beaten by iron chariots after Israel began its war on other nations in Canaan.
@@MidlifeCrisis82 I suspected it was but i didnt get the context.
@@harveywabbit9541 exactly my thoughts.
I love Mr Bart!!
I am where I am today, largely because Alan Watts, and Mr Ehrman!
Now I'm a Neal(ite) 😁 lol
I also enjoyed "the Heart of the Buddha's Teachings", by Thich Nhat Hanh. The mean jealous vindictive god of Abraham is what's wrong with the Bible. Additionally, my mother would never curse a fig tree, so she is more well-behaved than Jesus. But people are taught that it's the word of God, so no one reads it objectivity.
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Great stuff, guys. I was a little disappointed that no one mentioned how the origin of Sargon is almost identical to Moses'.
As well as Gilgamesh. Had the same story of being placed in the Nile in a reed basket as a baby and is found and adopted by a farmer or however it goes. It’s been a while but yeah several kings used that same exact origin story
@@Butlerwilliamp1986I didn't know this, thank you!
Rudolf Steiner is amazing in his lectures and writings.
I do not write anything in stone. It will only hinder one from true knowledge. I do believe there are legitimate clairvoyants in our age that speak truth.
I trust them more than the church.
When Moses came down from the mountain, he only had 1 commandment from God......
"Don't be an asshole."
Priests made up the rest of them.
@@mickmccrory8534 were you there ❓🤔
What a rediculous question...we're you 😂?
@@mickmccrory8534 wonder why God didn’t give you the same commandment 🤣
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@@MathewThomasFET His being there is as possible as there were 600,000 military aged men plus their families that fled Egypt across the Red Sea, which was parted by a very, very old man, in the Sinai desert for 40 years(....and being enough food/water etc to survive). If you believe one implausible story why not another......it is writen in one place, with no other evidence of it happening, so it must be equally as true
This November on the 6 day of November 2022
The Vatican will be hosting a meeting called the UN conference global meeting called “Cop27”
To me it’s very interesting that they are hosting this meeting in Egypt.
You're thinking of Copt'27
@@topcat8804 yes
@@topcat8804"Thinking" ?
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Bart is one of my absolute favourite Bible nerds ❤
“Kundalini, the sacred fire of all religions” by Samael Aun Weot
Ummm the reason Moses has an Egyptian name is that according to the story he was named by an Egyptian woman and raised as an Egyptian. Why would he have a Hebrew name when he was not raised as a Jew?
Because hyksos the Jews lead Egypt.
@@Remza_ObrvaThe Jews didn’t exist until the Babylonian exile. The people were from the Levant and practiced the Canaanite pantheon, nothing equivalent to Judaism by ANY means
@stantorren4400 Jews are hyksos.
@stantorren4400 not correct. Jews are hyksos and not natives to canan.
Secular historians don't have a clue when it started, but they do generally agree that early Judaism was a pantheon where most gods got removed long before the Exile, so either way Jews existed before then
I just bought his book "misquoting Jesus" so far, it's a great book, it definitely grabbed my attention!
So far so good! A correction: Barabas is actually Bar Abbas, Bar=Son of, Bar Abbas=Son of Abbas. And there was no such Roman custom of releasing one prisoner to the Jews. So the Bar Abbas bit is questionable. MY line about releasing a prisoner I gleaned this from the book "Zealot" by Reza Aslan. The Bar Abbas comes from other characters in the New Testament, such as Simon Bar Jesus (Son of Joshua [Yeshua/Yoshua]).
Bar abba means son of the father. Abbas is not a Hebraic name. It's more of an Arabic form of whatever that word would be, but all that doesn't matter, since they refer to someone's father.
And you're right. There was no such custom in Roman led Judea. What that "custom" is derived from is the custom of sacrificing one of two lambs and releasing the other in the Jewish temple every Passover. It's called the Passover lamb. That is what the story represents. Jesus (or Judas) Barabas is released as the innocent lamb, Jesus is held and sacrificed as the guilty Passover lamb. His death is supposed to represent the final Passover lamb of the Temple before its destruction.
None of it is based in history and many of the "laws" that Christians use to allege that Jesus was sacrificed by the Jews were all laws that either didn't exist in the books at the time, or laws that would only exist in the 2nd century CE and not before
So either way, to claim historicity is folly
@@johntiggleman4686 What about weleasing Wodewick?
That is some very eclectic knowledge. Thanks.
The 600,000 men might be a scribal error.
While ‘aleph’ signifies 1,000 (as well as being the first letter of the Hebrew Abgad), of the word was meant to be alephim, then the reference is to ‘captains’.
While that usage assumes a captain of 1,000 solders (a later concept), it might have been just 100 soldiers (or men).
But that assumes that any of it has any basis in history at all.
when it takes 40 years to get out of a desert, you ought to hire a new guide
@@markalitheapprenticehacker it was a punishment.
"Seriously, dude.. could you please ask for directions? I mean, you're still good with God, right?"
@@leotajackson5602yeah, I'd stick with that story, too 😂
........for sure
@@leotajackson5602And we wonder why people think this God isn’t benevolent. The Egyptians didn’t appreciate the tale of Exodus when the Jews migrated after leaving Babylon
After convincing me that the Exodus didn't happen it seems superfluous to ask about what happened between God and Moses up the mountain.
Moses went up for shrooms and talked to himself
@@MarcusAurelius13 I don’t know from which country you are from. Ask yourself where did it get the laws it has. The basis ❓
@@MarcusAurelius13 Go to the Red Sea. Dive into it at the place where the Israelites crossed it and look at Egyptian chariot wheels and horse bones. Where did they come from. Seeing is believing for normal humans, not for the stubbornly insane 🤣
@@MathewThomasFET Which airline did you take to get there? How deep did you dive? Got photos?
That's where God gave Moses the Fifteen...oy...Ten Commandments.
Thank you. Bart is great.
Do we need to rename the plant, Wandering Jew since The Exodus probably didn't?
Something better than the plant formerly known as the wandering jew.
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Yep
It’s interesting that the huge number of Israelites in the Bible presents a historical problem for the Exodus. Because when the Qur’an narrates the story of Moses, it quotes the Pharaoh as saying this about them:
_”These are but _*_a small group of people,_*_ who are provoking & agitating us…”_ _(The Qur’an, __26:54__-55, Al-Shu’arā)_
It’s also interesting that Dr. Ehrman discusses the death of the pharaoh and how we still have the mummy of Ramses II. The Qur’an also said something about this ~1,450 years ago, before any of the relics were ever discovered. It quotes God as declaring to Pharaoh at his moment of death (before drowning):
*”Today We shall preserve your body, so that you may serve a sign for those after you. But indeed, most of humanity are heedless of Our signs.”* _(The Qur’an, 10:92, Yūnus)_
LOL...stop using Bart D. Ehrman as your source to attack the bible...
Bart D. Ehrman DENIES the existence of Moses too... 🤣
So that means ,your Koran is GARBAGE also , according to Bart D. Ehrman
@@krishyyfan5153 You sound very passive-aggressive. Is that perhaps because Dr. Ehrman has written countless devastating books that have utterly obliterated & decimated people’s trust of the New Testament? And which have contributed to a massive wave of suspicion, doubt, and Christian apostasy the like of which has never been seen before? I get it. If I was a Christian, I too would understand how awkward and troubling that would feel, and the need to protect my ego by calling other Scriptures like the Qur’an (which Dr. Ehrman himself has actually praised for its high level of preservation compared to the New Testament) a piece of so-called “garbage”. But I’m really sorry that you feel the urge to have to speak like that. It’s really quite a shame.
But in any case, note that I never attacked the Bible to begin with; my only point was to show how the Qur’an shields itself from these historical criticisms by aligning with the Egyptological historical evidence much better than the Biblical narratives (which also has the secondary effect of proving that the Qur’an did not plagiarize blindly from the Bible, as some people falsely assume). That’s all. But as Muslims, we still believe that much of the Bible is divinely inspired and contains God’s word & truth about the prophets and His actions in history. We believe in God, and in what was revealed to us, and what was revealed before-and we surrender & devote ourselves entirely to God.
Also it doesn’t matter to me that Dr. Ehrman might deny Moses’ existence. Using a strict & rigid historical method (based on methodological naturalism), it is understandable and expected that it would be highly difficult to ascertain almost _anyone’s_ existence in the ancient past. And with enough pushing, you can cast doubt on nearly ANYONE’S historicity, let alone someone ~3,500 years ago. Doubts about the existence of Jesus also used to be commonplace; but now his historicity is accepted by nearly all scholars. So for all we know, with time the same paradigm shift might occur with Moses. But until then-absence of evidence isn’t necessarily evidence of absence. And none of this even affects the original points I was making about the Qur’an.
@@celestialknight2339 stop your nonsense... All Scholars use the New Testament to study the Historicity of Jesus....They don't use the Koran....Bart Ehrman even published a Book in 2012 proving the historicity of Jesus and he used the New Testament...not the Koran...LOL
@@krishyyfan5153 Great job not responding to any of my points! Insults seems to be your preferred method of choice over intellectual argument. How elegant.
To your point-of course historians use the New Testament, because once again, historians use *methodological naturalism* (if you don’t know what that term is, look it up)
So it’s expected for them to go the earliest source they can get their hands on, without being allowed to assume or pre-supposed the divine inspiration of any document. But as you & I BOTH know-as believers in God-it theologically doesn’t matter to us whether God reveals something 10 years, 1,000 years, or even 1 million years after the fact! Because God by definition has Perfect Knowledge of the past, present, and future. Therefore if God DID reveal it, we can still happily accept what He says as truth, despite the timeline in which it came.
But ironically, those SAME New Testament scholars you reference would actually agree MORE with the Quran’s presentation of Jesus (and particularly his self-perception) than they would the New Testament, which they virtually all agree is FILLED with ahistorical myths, legends, changes & distortions, and Hellenistic pagan-influenced ideas of the Messiah that Jesus himself never taught in the streets of Galilee as a humble & devout Palestinian Jewish preacher of God.
Dr. Bart Ehrman himself is on the record as saying that Jesus probably thought of himself as no more than the Messiah and *_”an apocalyptic prophet”_* And this agrees MUCH more with the Qur’an, than with the exaggerated, inflated, and excessive claims of Christians (and various New Testament authors) that Jesus supposedly claimed to be things such as God’s co-equal divine son (which he never said), or a part of the Trinity who is equally worthy of worship alongside the Father (which he never said). These are now basically provable falsehoods, which deviate severely from the historical Christ’s actual teachings. Historical Bible scholars know this. (And for us Muslims, that’s why the Qur’an came “afterwards” in the first place-to CORRECT those mistaken beliefs, and to bring people back to the truth & reality of the matter)
So yes, those historians & scholars obviously go to the New Testament first to study the person of Jesus-but they also recognize that it is FILLED with historical exaggerations and inaccuracies about Christ’s self-perception and alleged teachings. And Dr. Ehrman has written incredible works about the evolution that we see in the Gospels, as you go from the earliest account (Mark) to the latest account (John) where you can visibly see these numerous theological changes, exaggerations, and inflations of Jesus’s image as he goes from a humble rabbi and preacher of God (in the Synoptics), all the way to a semi-divine or divine being who no longer preachers about God’s kingdom, but almost EXCLUSIVELY about Himself in John’s Gospel (with all sorts of suddenly new and suspiciously unheard of “I Am” statements that didn’t exist in ANY of the previous Synoptic Gospels). Thus there is CLEAR embellishment going on, where Jesus’s image is like a snowball that just keeps getting bigger as it rolls with time. Nearly all New Testament scholars agree with this, including Dr. Ehrman-whose books such as _”Misquoting Jesus”_ and _”How Jesus Became God”_ I would highly recommend that you read for more knowledge and insight.
But once again-I stand firm in my claim-that you can take ANY unbiased or secular New Testament scholar/historian, and ask them the following question: *”Which is more consistent with the best historical evidence we have on how the historical Jesus of Nazareth probably viewed himself?”*
*A)* A book which claims that Jesus declared himself to be the divine son of God, a co-equal member of a Holy Trinity, and a divine incarnation of none other than YHWH the God of the Old Testament, who has come down from Heaven and is eternally worthy of the highest religious worship and divine praise.
Or
*B)* A book which claims that Jesus was simply a wise Jewish rabbi and humble believer in God, who thought of himself as the awaited Jewish Messiah and an apocalyptic prophet, who preached to the Children of Israel, and who thought of himself as being distinct from God-a servant of God-and no more than a divinely-inspired human messenger, sent by God to preach and warn before the coming Day of Judgement.
Without a doubt, I can practically GUARANTEE you that the overwhelming *vast majority* of historians & secular New Testament scholars, would agree with *Option B* which represents *the Qur’an* (yes, even though it came later!)-and NOT the Christian conception which you believes comes from the Bible. So even though they may not take the Qur’an has history, they would still confess that the Qur’an is _more historically accurate_ in its representation of who Jesus thought himself to be.
@@celestialknight2339 are you kidding me??...How many Times did Bart Ehrman accuse the Koran of copying from Gnostic Heretics.... It was the Gnostic Heretics who propagated the belief that a SWAP of persons happened during the Crucifixion of Jesus...
the Koran Copied this Gnostic heresy...
Bart Ehrman affirms that Jesus truly died on the Cross...
Tell this to Robert Sepehr who can’t grasp this
He's a grifter fleecing his flock. He'll just push whatever crackpot conspiracy will stir up his audience and get him views.
lol
The best stories were written and preserved for future generations to read and enjoy.
Is it true that the Bible when describing the Pharaoh chasing the Israelites going through the parting of Red Sea, that it never describes Pharaoh going that far but only his army? So the pharaoh is never actually described as drowning, or dying there.
The children of Israel were now at the spring equinox - at the end of the year. Up to this time, the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud (the days are cloudy during the rainy season) and by night in a pillar of fire = the stars (“toward evening during the rainy season, the clouds disappear, the Sun sets in a clear sky, and the nights are serene and fine ") " that they might go by day and night " (Ex. 13.2121). But now, at the end of winter, the rainy season being over, the Angel of the Gods (the spring equinox) removed and went behind them, and came between the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these (Ex. 14.20). Thus, were the two parties, winter and summer, situated; the one would not recede and other could not advance. A miracle, of course, must be wrought to save the chosen of the Gods. So, the Lord said to Moses - "lift up thy rod, and stretch out thy hand over the sea and divide it" (Ex. 14.16). Aquarius rises heliacally or just before the Sun, and you will see Moses with his uplifted rod and outstretched hand, in the very act of dividing the Red Sea (the Aurora of the morning - of Spring). The waters (the rainy season) thus divided, the children of Israel pass over or through the sea dry-shod, while the Egyptians, pursuing, were "shook off" into the waters, i.e., winter ended and summer began. Take a look at Moses aka Aquarius with his rod in his left hand and water pot in his right hand.
@@grosbeak6130 yeah, it’s like they never even SAW the movie!!!
Bart is the fucking man an incredible free thinker who is in a desperate search for the actual truth and doesn't hold one book as the objective truth.
The major thing that upsets me about exodus and other OT stories is that they can inculcate supremacist arrogance and entitlement mentality, if you believe them.
"God chose OUR tribe. We are unique. Special. Not like you. "
It was not god , it was Satan, so be happy you not the special jews tribe
The book of Exodus is 'traditionally' ascribed to Moses as the author but modern scholars believe it is a composite work, likely written between 900-500 bce and then compiled. That being the case, the Rod of Asclepius, the Greek god of medicine and healing, likely dates to between 700-500 bce and is identical to the bronze snake on a pole in the book of Numbers that Moses makes after YHWH instructed him to "Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived."
So, ask yourself: why in the world would YHWH tell Moses to make this EXACT totemic item? A snake on a pole that heals people when they look at it? Asclepius' Rod is thought to have been a symbol of actual cures ascribed to Asclepius, and the rat snakes were used in the Asclepieion, the 'hospitals' and clinics created to honor Asclepius and his healing arts. So, in both the Hebrew and Greek traditions, we have these things in common on this issue:
1. A pole
2. A snake ON the pole
3. Healing associated with the snake
"Ur of the Chaldeans" dates the Torah
I'm so glad he mentions Joseph and the Hyksos. I definitely believe this was the source of the Exodus story, as the official Egyptian chronology is 300 years off. There were two Hyksos/Hebrew expulsions, after they were driven out the first time they went and got Nubian mercenaries and came back and took the place over and ruled a large part of Egypt until being driven out again. It is then that the Hebrews established their own country, and during the second period Egypt became multiculturalized.
Exodus never happened nor the persons mentioned in it never existed, these are all fairy tales like HERCULES, HARRY POTTER, SPIDERMAN etc.
@@anthonyjohn9000 no those are for the most part original stories. There is nothing original in the Bible.
Biblical Joseph is the constellation Sagittarius, his "chariot" was just behind Pharaoh (Scorpio). Oh! That Scorpion, he is such a meanie...throughout the bible. He had so many bad attributes, such as Satan..father of lies. Oh my! There never was a liar like Scorpion.
I heard a theory saying that the Abraham and Sarah refugee story was a portrayal of the Hyksos. The idea being that the Hyksos were refugees from India after the Aryan invasion. Hindu gods Brahma and Sarasweti equals Abraham and Sarah. Hagar symbolizes the Egyptian women and the intermixing that bore the Arabs (Ishmael)
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It appears that Abram was married to the wife of Brahma who was also the wife of Osiris.
Adam/Cain/Seth are from Egyptian myth. Set/Seth a son of Nut (Heaven) and Geb (Earth) is both the "father" and "son." Set/Seth was an evil god who was killed by Horus. Isis, brought Set/Seth back as a reformed servant of Ra.
Set/Seth was depicted as a number of animals, such as the donkey. He was also the Cockatrice and others.
The quranic story doesn't have the name Egypt, it has a different name with many different details .. that could actually shift the geographics of the events to a completely different place
But it calls him Pharaoh?
@jib7026 Pharaoh in the Quran is a person "name" not a title, keep in mind Egyptian kings never called themselves Pharaohs
The exodus was from Yemen to Saudi Arabia
This is fire 🔥 great stuff
Love this guest.
I’m glad im not crazy for making the connect when I compared the Bible timeline with who would have been pharaoh in Moses supposed time in Egypt since the Bible conveniently leaves out the name of certain pharaohs
@@da_woo8414 It occurs to me that, say migrant farm workers might not be keeping track of foreign leaders or president of the US, maybe?
They didn't tell me he never existed, I figured that out, myself.
These bible stories although mythical are fascinating but very fairytalish…no one in today’s society should take these stories as real 😅
I’m one who does, and I have very good arguments for doing so. Trying to be heard now but it’s tough sledding: it seems that when you show people how these stories could be true, how they really went down, they close their ears quickly.
@@BeardVsTheWorldUK1 what is there besides what’s been rewritten over and over that much of it is different from what ever the original was and can’t be verified…it’s basically hearsay
So you tell the real, where did Israelites come from and how did they conquer Cannanite ?
@@nimagougol8781 The Israelites are the Canaanites…they were a people who blended in with the Canaanites and took on and over the Canaanites belief system and branched off from them creating their own religion and culture….read a book call The Bible Unearthed and there’s many more books to check on this subject ✌🏿
@@sa-raking7568 Only because it satisfies your own personal world view. I'm sorry you feel this way, because you're missing out on something that goes beyond politics, right and wrong, and yes, even religion. But don't let me keep you-you do you.
At one point years ago a news story came out saying that more contemporary findings say that during the so called parting of the Red Sea the area where that event was supposed to have occurred was far different than the Biblical description and the peoples could have walked physically across the described area. A woman stated this news account in my mom’s Sunday School class at which point she was treated as if she were delusional.
the sea levels lowered and could walk across the reeds of the reed sea
Love this channel keep it up
Great discussion, very interesting...
I would expect Moses to have an Egyptian name ; he was rescued and raised by Egyptians .. so I was wondering why you both were stupidly laughing that he didn’t have a Hebrew name?
Bart always has an inappropriate stupid laugh. It's one of his charms.
The conversation is about a fictional character and where their name originated.
@@alamunez I still don’t get it .. If your saying Moses was a fictional character ( many would disagree ) but if this “fictional character” was rescued by an Egyptian woman why would he have a Hebrew name?
@@camilleespinas2898 None of the actual experts would disagree. Again, the conversation is about why the fictional character would be named an Egyptian name, what function it serves in the telling of the story.
@@camilleespinas2898 moses is in egyptian…
🤦♂️ meses means son. E.g
Ra-mses
What about the encampment at the base of the mount as well as the split rock showing that there once was a lake at the site, as well as pillars and alters ?
Didn't an Egyptian find and name Moses? Thats why he was named Moses? 👀🤔
Yes
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The Egyptian woman was a snake goddess, her history went back to Neith of Sais.
The Mo in Moses means water.
@@harveywabbit9541 No, it doesn't.
Moab is two words of Mo (water) and ab (father). Moses is a personification of Aquarius and the month of January. Medad is two words of me (water) and dad (lover).
This is Libra (Reed) in Isaiah 9.14-15.
This chanel on YT makes me feel noobish - and I like it!
What about bones? There must be zillions of quail bones alone.
They were after the qual eggs (magic mushrooms).
no bones of any kind
It is hard to disapprove a story...it is even harder to disapprove a written story. Especially a story with magic and super naturals...
We have many of those in Africa, magical things happening passed from generation to generation. Now imagine if it was written
Do you mean ‘disprove’?
@@alamunez thanks for the correction
This really got me thinking. I first remember reading it was Ramses army who ran in to the red sea crossing and drowned but then it was Akenahten and Moses and witch God is he meeting?
mandela
You do realise this is fiction, right?
Were the Ten Commandments given in Midian or in the Sinai Desert, next to Saint Catherine's monastery?
No
I love it!
Great talk 🔥🔥🔥
I don't know why anyone debates the timeline of this since nearly all of the OT is contrived.
The Latin Jupiter plays a huge role in the bible. Did any bible teacher ever tell you that Melchizedek is two Hebrew words of King Jupiter?
All the Abrahamic texts are contrived fictions.
@@harveywabbit9541 I storied Hebrew in seminary and even Mauro Biglino does not translate it as that. I think I'd recheck it
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My neighbor, a Reform Jew, agrees that Melchizedek is King Jupiter. He was the just and righteous god of the Romans.
@@harveywabbit9541 great. So a man who has no connection to ancient Judaism and might speak modern Hebrew which has zero connection to ancient Hebrew says it means something that every scholar says can't be translated? Sure... if run with that
Wow watching this again
The 600,000,000,000,000, chariots of iron (winter) are the six southern constellations called Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. This is also the six nights in Genesis one. This fairy tale is modified when the writers took the first night (libra) and added it to the six "days" to get the sacred seven months of summer. This left winter with five chariots of iron aka Scorpio - Pisces. Rev 9.5, describes these five signs/months that brings us up to the spring equinox. Pharaoh rides in the first chariot (Scorpio) and behind him is Joseph (Sagittarius).
Cn we be friends
@@glorihulda933
Oh! How those Pagan Jews loved to blend their astronomical charts. Assuming that all the viewers are aware that Moses was more commonly called Bacchus/Dionysus and even Osiris. We find he was born on December 25 when the winter solstice was in Aquarius. The Latin Jupiter was the "father" of Moses.
In the Pagan mythology, Dionysus or Bacchus was the son of Jupiter by Semele. The father of the Gods, at the request of Semele, having approached her with his thunder and lightning, set the palace on fire, when Semele perished in the flames. Being at her seventh month, Jupiter transferred the infant Bacchus into his thigh to be brought forth at the proper time. This story, which is related in almost every book on mythology, Thomas Franklin, D.D... The translator of Lucian, styles a "ridiculous fable." But crack the nut, and the rich meat will appear.
Jupiter is the year, being represented by the Man in the frontispiece of every almanac. Semele is the summer of seven months, and denoted by the Man's body. Summer extended from the 25th of March, or Annunciation day, to the 25th of October, the last of the ancient summer months. Thence to the 25th of December would be two months. These added to the seven summer months would make nine months, the time required. The second birth would then take place at the winter solstice, denoted by the Man's knees, to which Capricorn points. (See old farmer's almanac.)
I did as you to tell mi about pisces but you never did
@@glorihulda933
At one time, the northern star in Pisces was a swallow. She went by the name Isis who became the Virgin Mary.
@@harveywabbit9541 hmmmm
Great video Bart!
And Gnostic Informant knows first hand...he was there.
😂😂😂😂 KaaAAABOOOOOOOOOOOOom
Isn’t the serpent on the staff the symbol for physicians?
it's allegory, the staff is always the spine, the snake is the Kundalini energy rising up the spine. How come you don't know this??? this is vary well known now.
True
@DANTHETUBEMAN It is extremely likely that Bart knows. He's not saying much of substance with his course to give.
There’s archaeological findings still to find he’s still looking chill.
The Bible is a metaphor for spiritual and intellectual enlightenment.
If you interpret it literally, you’re not getting it. Its an esoteric hidden knowledge (Gnostic) in the story. It’s a story within a story to illustrate a deeper meaning of something. All the characters in it are personifications or archetypes of others in ancient Egypt. They use symbolism in it.
The snake symbolism I believe is the vibrational frequencies of energy.
All the characters are fictional.
The numbers as in the Bible are numerology, since the New Testament was written in Greek, the ‘word’ is the spoken word. John 1:1 “ In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god.” And right after that it says ‘Let there be light.”
The twelve disc/iple of Jesus is reference to the twelve signs of the zodiac as it portrayed in the photo of the last supper. The disciples of Jesus is grouped in 3 by 4 to get 12 and Jesus the Sun being the number 13.
The story is literary, poetic, allegorical, metaphorical.
“Many will look with their eyes but cannot see, and to listened with their ears but cannot hear……”
Note that Joktan/Yoktan has 13 "sons." The famous 12 are found in Genesis one. The six days = Aries thru Virgo (spring equinox - autumn equinox). The six nights = Libra thru Pisces (autumn equinox - spring equinox). This is modified when Libra, the first light, is added to the six "days" to get the sacred seven. Sheba (7) is where we find Saturn ruled by Venus.
This shake-up left the seven "days' representing summer and the remaining five (Scorpio thru Pisces) becomes winter (sun in southern hemisphere. See Rev. 9.5, where the five months that can harm man is led by the scorpion. Winter is also symboled as Iron. The five wounds of Jesus (as winter) is these five constellations. Jesus, as the winter sun, always "dies" at the Pass Over from Egypt (winter) to the Promised Land (summer). As the Christ "he" will "die" as the sun leaves "summer" and enters "winter." This is the destruction of the Temple of God (the seven months of "summer) and transition to "winter." The death of Summer is marked by the slaying of the Ram (Aries) the Golden Ram who gets his horns entangled in the thorns (winter).
The bible is not alone or special in this regard. Not only can many ancient spiritual texts be interpreted this way , many other nonspiritual texts have been also.
More than any writings importance is the knowledge and skill of the interpreter.
I agree they need interpretation. But if interpreted in the psyche, the interpretation is grounded and interactive. It also appears in just about every single piece of story told literature from antiquity. It is in fact, the template of 'The Hero's Journey." The similarities are because they are sharing the original template. I find it in the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation epic which is older than Genesis. It's fake. I can show it.
Why would God purposefully confuse and trick people?? The same Bible says "God is not the author of confusion. the author of confusion is the devil"... I'm confused... Oh wait! I don't have the "holy spirit" to guide me right?" But God loves EVERYONE and wants everyone to know Him... but only a few REALLY get to know him??? Sooo coonfusing.
I agree, being rescued by the Egyptian princess, and adopted by her.
The Hyksos period and expulsion fits perfectly the time between Joseph and the time of the Exodus which occurs around 200 years later after the death of Joseph and his brothers. The Hyksos were of semitic origin allowing for the rise of Joseph also a semite. The Torah then states that a time came when a new pharaoh came to power (an Egyptian not a Hyksos) that knew not of Joseph (better translated to could have cared less about the historical Joseph) and the Hebrews living in Egypt which were a constant reminder to this new pharaoh of the possible danger to his empire these Hebrews engendered should the Hyksos or another semitic race of peoples decide to try and take back the reins of power from the Egyptian rulers. This threat was not far away but living among them in Egypt itself, therefore the new king of Egypt was determined to quell that threat by enslaving the Hebrews under his rule. Nobody knows for sure who this pharaoh was for he isn't named in the Torah. Some say Ramses II, others Seti 1 and others some other king. I have always doubted it was Ramses II for the time frame simply doesn't fit. Also they did not cross the Red Sea, that is a Christian mistranslation of the text. Jews have always known it was the Sea of Reeds just across from Midian, Moses old stomping grounds for 40 years with his wife and father-in-law Jethro (Reuel).
The whole entire story is mythology. Israelites were never enslaved in Egypt. "Semite" is a huge language family that include, along with Hebrew, Akadian, Babylonian, Syriac, Amorite, Proto-Canaanite, Phonecian. Moabite and more. The Exodus story was composed no earlier than the 5th Century BCE (based on the topography. Exodus names cities and places that did not exist before then) and while it might be influenced by the Hyksos narrative, it's still essentially a literary creation and a foundation myth. Just as a reminder, he Hyksos were not slaves, they were rulers and they did not escape, they were chased away.
The fact that the Pharaoh is not named casts a lot of doubt. This is probably the most powerful man in the world at this time. It just seems incredible that he is not named. Like referring to the President of the United States in the Civil War without mentioning the name of Abraham Lincoln.
@@PeterGregoryKelly That is a serious consideration and one that should be taken into the investigation but not one that totally discredits the account.
@@PeterGregoryKelly The name of Ramesses II is referenced indirectly when it says the Israelites were forced to build the city of Pi-Ramesses, a city which was built by Ramesses II. For trhis reason, Ramesses II is sometimes identified as the Pharaoh of the Exodus in pop culture (e.g. DeMille's *Ten Commandments*). One huge problem with this identification is that Ramesses II did not drown in the Red Sea. We know this for a fact because his mummy is in a museum in Cairo and the body has been forensically examined up the wazoo (literally and figuratively). He was 90 years old when he died and he didn't die of drowning, he died of a tooth infection.
16:20.
well, i got him down to ten, but the one on adultery's still in.
Love Dr. Bart
Methinks Moses along with Abraham told a lot of porkies…if not him then the storyteller who made it all up. Crazy world. 😏
ABSOLUTE GOLD
Fools gold, yes.
Excellent talk
13:56 I have been obsesaed with the scape goat narrative!! I am pretty sure Jesus is the goat that is sacrificed who's blood is used to anoint and Judas is the Scapegoat that is cast out. its the same Dark knight haha Batman is the Scapegoat Harvey is the Sacrifice to anoint Gotham lol If modern politics has taught me anything take a second look when somebody says "For the Profits obviously." Not to mention Azazel was also the angel castout from heaven right?
The first of these we shall notice is the scapegoat found in Leviticus 16 - " And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities to a land not inhabited " (vs. 22). The original (and also the marginal reading of the common Bible) is - to a land of "separation" in allusion, doubtless, to the line of the equator, which separates the two hemispheres. This line is “not inhabited."
Now let us observe the marvels which a critical examination of this subject will bring to light. The priest (Aaron = the point of the summer solstice in Cancer) is to " take the two goats, and present them before the Lord (Sun in Capricorn, opposite Cancer then setting as the Sun rises) at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation " (winter solstice), where the Sun is, Aries, the leader of the congregation being on his meridian (Lev. 16.7). He is next to " cast lots upon the two goats; one (Capricorn) for the Lord, and the other (Sun) for the scapegoat' 1 (Lev. 16.8). Here the Sun in Capricorn is conceived of as two goats, while really there is but one, and he a personification. This one (Capricorn) "upon which the Lord's lot fell," is to be instantly sacrificed (i.e., left by the Sun) for a sin-offering, or the remission (the giving-up) of the sins of the world, or of the year, i.e., the Sun's south declination will decrease from the winter solstice and become nought at the spring equinox. The other, the Sun, will be for a scape-goat, to bear off the sins (Sun's south declination) of the world, which had been heaped upon him during the past three months, and be " presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him " - with him, not to him (Lev. 16.10). Thus: The Goat (Capricorn) is sacrificed (left behind) when the Sun leaves him; and the Sun in leaving him, escapes the Goat, and hence becomes the scape-goat, and so is no goat, any more than the man who escapes the gallows, is a gallows.
The High Sun will be the Summer solstice in Leo or Cancer. There is a strong connection between Issachar (Cancer constellation) and Zebulun (Capricorn constellation). Also note...Aquarius (Rebuben) is opposite Leo (Judah).
Hyskos is the most accurate based on where the rubber meets the road because as a tribe there is historical record of this group being continuously thrown out of over 100 countries.
Interesting that he claims that they found chariots in the bottom of the red sea. Which is true they didn't find them in the red sea. They found them in the Gulf of Aqaba where the crossing actually occurred. They also found an excellent place for the actual Mount Sinai which is actually called still today the mountain of Moses but it's not in the Sinai Peninsula it's actually in the peninsula of Arabia. There is even a stone there that appears to have been split and water coming out from the base of it in antiquity. But all of these things occurred about 1450 bc, not 1250 BC or closer to 1200 BC as people try and manipulate the Bible into. Because the Bible is not necessarily exact according to its chronological order, and we know this because the Septuagint has different dates and times in it than does the Leningrad codex. Which means that somebody changed the text of the Old Testament between 200 BC and 1000 ad. And it may have been done so to confuse the genealogy of Christ. As for any of these subferonic peoples possibly being moses, that is completely consistent with scripture and its references. Because even Ramses is a version of Moses! So I don't know when this interview was taken, but the evidence for the Exodus does exist it just exists about 200 to 250 years off of what was claimed in biblical scriptures for many centuries now. And the hicksos primarily did occur far before the exodus, but there is fellas of the time, in the middle dynastic era that indicate that they had expelled a group of Hebrews, although by a slightly different name. But they're never going to admit that they actually were able to show up the Powers at b. And the Bible is not really strict on whether or not Ramses was killed trying to catch up with the refugees while crossing the Gulf of Aqaba. But the fact that his choice Army was destroyed would have been just as severe to his reputation. Plus Egypt ran all of the peninsula of the Sinai at the time and it was critical that the Hebrews get out of Egyptian territory.
Where in the world did you get the idea that 3 million people was more than the population of Egypt at the time. Even a cursory examination of when they believed that the Great Pyramid was built, which isn't true at all but they have evidence of about 15 to 20 million people living in Egypt at 2500 BC. If there were only three to four million people in Egypt at that time they would not have even been able to keep up the edifices that we know about they would not have had enough people to even keep them going. And we only know about 20 to 30% of what is expected to still be in the area of egypt. Egypt was Far larger, especially when it was known as Khem or Khemet. We have direct knowledge that the pyramids are several thousand years older than asserted by archaeologists because of the ostrich egg in the Cairo Museum that depicts the serpent as the River Nile and the three pyramids that have been etched on it that tests several thousand years before they claim the pyramids were even built. That is direct evidence that they existed at least 5000 BC which puts them about 2500 years older at the very least then these wild ass guesses from people in the early 1800s when archeology was barely more than people running around blowing s*** up and trying to get at how old things actually were. They weren't even able to decipher Egyptian writings yet. Dometic or the hieroglyphs.
And then this man with his Harry Potter glasses is complaining about 600 chariots, that's at least 1800 Special Forces at the head of an army that's at least 10 to 12,000 men, going after people who are walking across the desert already and I would Hazard a guess that it's at least double that amount, when you get all of the Infantry and the support troops and everything else that you have to provide. Don't forget that this was the army that was the most capable on the planet at the time. That would be like complaining that the United States did not utterly devastate the Iraqi troops of 200,000 mechanized troops with a mere 30,000 of our own, when we sent in in one battle a single tank got through a fire break and destroyed eight tanks before the other tanks even made the break through the fireline. According to the Egyptians the Pharaoh at the time of the expulsion of the Hebrews was Ahmoses. Which would have placed it in the 1400s, so you're talking about about the 15th century. And a couple of hundred years off for archaeologists irritates the hell out of archaeologists but there's actually pretty good at guessing age. And many of these people actually left and went to several other countries because not everybody stayed with moses. Many of them took off on their own.
Remember that the Bible is a book of signs and symbols. The serpent on the stake is a symbol. It's meant to teach them a little bit of Faith because they head up till then only showed faith when they thought it was in their best interest. They have to learn to live in faith at all times. And the evidence at the foot of Mount Moses doesn't indicate 2 to 3 million people. It indicates about 600,000 total. And it could be that that was the only misrepresentation was that it was about 600,000 total which would have only allowed about 70 to 80,000 at best of fighting age.
And when you're talking about Barabas and you misrepresent the understanding of what is shown with that story, remember that the word Barabas means son of the father. It's a symbolic incident. The world and yes Christ was crucified outside the city. And the temple was also outside the city. The temple was not inside the city of David. It was actually about 600 ft south of the Dome of the Rock. Right behind where the Western Wall sits today and the Western Wall was never a part and parcel of the actual Temple. There is even a threshing floor at that location. And it's the only place in the area where you can actually grow things and it was originally purchased as a farm. I'd like to see you put seeds out on the Dome of the Rock and grow stuff.
There is at least once where Moses sits and speaks with God as if you would speak to a friend, face to face. And many theologist find this insane because they claim that no one can while in the flesh, stand before god. Which is a misinterpretation of the events. Remember these things have been translated at least six times from the original Hebrew into Aramaic and then into several other languages since then. And then we only have the translation from the Leningrad codex which we know to be a corrupted translation because the Pharisees and sadducees, who were not Hebrews or if they were they were basically assigned to their positions by the Romans or by Herod who was a puppet of the Romans anyway, and they needed to usurp the reality of Yeshua, Jesus's Hebrew name, and disturb his lineage.
I like the video, as wrong as some of it appears to be, because I also like the gnostics because I think they were the ones who understood the actual reality of Yeshua. I actually am of the opinion that the gnostics had once been what we call the essenes.
Jesus said nobody ever saw Father , so moses was talking to his god satan , the child killer and attention seeker
Very interesting comment thank you. Yes, I think the Gnostics got it partly right. In 'Fragments of a Faith forgotten' by Mead when I had it, I remember a passage where Jesus was talking to the Christ (spirit). My current theology - Ha, is that in the beginning, God the Father is Spirit, the Christ is spirit with him as the Word and his first born, and the "holy spirit" is the life, the breath of God. So Jesus was talking to the Christ before he was baptised. When he was baptised the holy spirit of God with the Christ spirit came upon him, and he became Jesus the Christ full of the holy spirit of God. The Gnostics say that Christ came to Earth already in his spiritual body which was never one of flesh. However, I believe that he was also born as a man to relate to humankind and in that way as a man was never part of God. ( The word became flesh and dwelt among us) However, in the mystery of a death being required and blood to be spilt in that regard, he humbled himself to the lowest possible level, and maximum suffering which fooled all the powers and principalities in the spiritual realm, and was exalted above all of them in the highest place as a "god" ie a divine being under the Father, the Most High God, and now sits at his right hand as his heir - just as we can also be his heir ( don't you know that you are all "gods") by being in union with Jesus, the Way to the Father. The Father put his holy spirit in Jesus, who in turn gives the same holy spirit of the Father to us. Jesus breathed the holy spirit of God into his disciples.
I am also fascinated by the Essenes, and was before I became a follower of the Way, but these were the occult sub branch gnostic group. Even though he is pre-trib, a trinitarian, and a dispensationalist -Ha, I think Ken Johnson as a translator and scholar of the Dead Sea Scrolls is the closest I have come across regarding the original Essenes who came down the line of the Zadok priests. His narrative is that they were the original "Jews" and the first followers of the Way. At the destruction of the first temple and sacking of Jerusalem, he says they escaped to Egypt to avoid the Roman slaughter until it was safe to come back to the Dead Sea area. However, some of them stayed in Egypt and split into various groups, particularly in Alexandria where scores of gnostic sects formed. That's what Mead's book was about, picking up scraps of some of the fragments that remained in tact. Simon Magus as recorded in the book of Acts was one of these who initially was a follower of the Way, but evidently turned gnostic, came back to Jerusalem and tried to buy the power of the Most High that Peter was demonstrating, which of course was refused him. "As in the days of Noah" are almost upon us as part of the cycles that are recorded for us to learn and gain wisdom from, and from what I believe are the writings of the Essenes recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls, I think give us practical expression and wisdom of how we should be living to face the dark times ahead of us that they were in the middle of.
The historicity of the stories of the OT/NT I think is past any shred of doubt
.how many chriots..??? hundreds??? thousands..????
It would be interesting to talk about the story of Joshua & Jericho and finding what fits its description
Debunked, Jericho fell in an earthquake in the 16th century BCE
I had no idea there were still gnostics in the world. huh.
This is such a good point
Folks found coral in the shape of chariot wheels in an area similar to described in the crossing of the Red Sea
No they didn't
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Can we still do that study?
Thutmoses 3 was probably the Exodus' Pharoah. Hathshepsut was co-ruler with him and later her images were removed because she supported Moses. Thutmose eldest son didn't succeed him on the throne because he died in childhood. This coincides with the biblical plague that killed all the Egyptian firstborn. The Kolbrin Bible's Book of Manuscripts has a section titled The Destroyer that gives an Egyptian account of the Exodus.
Nah my man.
It was most likely one of these
Snefru
Khufu
Djefre.
NO DOUBT.
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Interesting interview. I have a question, though, one that makes people, especially scholars, uncomfortable: you mentioned the Midians. These Hebrews went to war with them. Moses was married to one. In one Bible chapter M. has a long chat with his father-in-law that shows how different these 2 early peoples were. Since the Hebrews grew from the Arameans, and their homeland is in northern Syria, and the evidence above points to the Midians being a neighboring people, and Abraham himself lived in Harran and Ur (Urfa) in southeastern Turkey, right over the Syrian border, shouldn’t we be looking for signs of the Exodus here instead of in Egypt? Also, I forgot to mention: these Midians are linked to the historical Mitanni Empire, whose base was around Lake Van in SE Turkey.
If I remember correctly, the Exodus mentions the Mt Ba’al-zaphon. Mt Suphan sits at the western edge of this lake and was long viewed as the home of the local Thunder god by these polytheists.
And don’t get me started on the mountain to Suphan’s south, whose crater can be seen from space and whose name is strikingly similar to Nimrod’s-it’s Nemrut. Local sources also speak of Nemrud and Namrud.
I’d love to hear a take on this since the issue is very important.
Unfortunately for you. Archeologists have proven the Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe living in the Hills of Canaan. And more important that Egypt ruled over Canaan.
*Abraham himself lived in Harran and Ur* You mean Ur of the Chaldeans who did not take control of Ur or Babylon until 616BCE. Which dates the Torah/Pentateuch to that date.
@@fordprefect5304 I would be very interested to see more evidence of this. The earliest Hebrews were difficult to place, indeed, but the fact that Abraham lived in Harran and Ur-two cities easily found in SE Turkey, and that Moses was not only married to a Midian woman but must have lived within walking distance of a volcano (pillar of smoke day and night, burning bush, etc) tells me these scientists haven't done their homework.
@@BeardVsTheWorldUK1 The earliest *Israelites* have been placed.
Referring to the hills of Canaan/Israel. *The Israelites were Canaanites*
Dr Dever: "We know today, from archeological investigation, that there were more than 300 early villages of the 13th and 12th century in the area. I call these "proto-Israelite" villages".
Artifacts found in these villages match artifacts found in Samaria and Shechem and other Israelite and Judite cities. NO Egyptian artifacts have been found.
*This has been verified by archeologists*
i.e. Mazur, Na'aman, Finkelstein, Faust
Israeli archaeologist Ze’ev Herzog provides his view on the historicity of the Exodus:
*The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole chain is broken. It is not a historical one. It is a later legendary reconstruction - made in the seventh century [BCE] - of a history that never happened*
@@BeardVsTheWorldUK1 *Harran and Ur-two cities easily found in SE Turkey*
If you bothered to read a history book, The Chaldeans and the Meades defeated the Assyrians. They divided Mesopotamia, The Meades got Anatolia (Turkey) and Northern Mesopotamia. The Chaldeans got Babylon and the Levant.
Hence the Ur's located in Anatolia make no sense.
@@BeardVsTheWorldUK1 [Genesis 36]
31 These are the kings who reigned in the *land of Edom* , before any king reigned over the Israelites. 32 Bela son of Beor reigned in Edom, the name of his city being Dinhabah. 33 Bela died, and Jobab son of *Zerah of Bozrah* succeeded him as king.
The first Zerah is listed in Genesis 36:13-17 as a grandson of Esau
And these are the sons of Reuel; Nahath, and Zerah, Shammah, and Mizzah: these were the sons of Bashemath Esau's wife.
Edom did not exist before the 9th century. The Bible dates itself.
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Nicely gleaned with your theories, while raising the interpretations he made of scenarios that you presented (Scapegoat).
The first of these we shall notice is the scapegoat found in Leviticus 16 - " And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities to a land not inhabited " (vs. 22). The original (and also the marginal reading of the common Bible) is - to a land of "separation" in allusion, doubtless, to the line of the equator, which separates the two hemispheres. This line is “not inhabited."
Now let us observe the marvels which a critical examination of this subject will bring to light. The priest (Aaron = the point of the summer solstice in Cancer) is to " take the two goats, and present them before the Lord (Sun in Capricorn, opposite Cancer then setting as the Sun rises) at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation " (winter solstice), where the Sun is, Aries, the leader of the congregation being on his meridian (Lev. 16.7). He is next to " cast lots upon the two goats; one (Capricorn) for the Lord, and the other (Sun) for the scapegoat' 1 (Lev. 16.8). Here the Sun in Capricorn is conceived of as two goats, while really there is but one, and he a personification. This one (Capricorn) "upon which the Lord's lot fell," is to be instantly sacrificed (i.e., left by the Sun) for a sin-offering, or the remission (the giving-up) of the sins of the world, or of the year, i.e., the Sun's south declination will decrease from the winter solstice and become nought at the spring equinox. The other, the Sun, will be for a scape-goat, to bear off the sins (Sun's south declination) of the world, which had been heaped upon him during the past three months, and be " presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him " - with him, not to him (Lev. 16.10). Thus: The Goat (Capricorn) is sacrificed (left behind) when the Sun leaves him; and the Sun in leaving him, escapes the Goat, and hence becomes the scape-goat, and so is no goat, any more than the man who escapes the gallows, is a gallows.
The High Sun will be the Summer solstice in Leo or Cancer. There is a strong connection between Issachar (Cancer constellation) and Zebulun (Capricorn constellation). Also note...Aquarius (Rebuben) is opposite Leo (Judah).
@@harveywabbit9541 interesting how these sacrifices could get rerouted and melded into pagan tradition with parameters quite specific and reflexive. Sounds like we are sending a 1 pulse per second to Sophia and the Light bringer, encoded of our seasonal cycle. Earth's harmonic frequency, if u will.
9:01 why Ramose II? There were many pharaohs with the name Ramose… why and how do they pick the ramose they pick? The pharaoh is never mentioned by name…….
Genesis is framed up on the template of "The Hero's Journey' like so many other works from antiquity. Humans today have lost the ability to figure them out, instead opting to treat them as real. Like trying to figure out what species of Tortoise or Hare, what they must have believed in etc, never figuring out there is a nested lesson. And it isn't for the theists or the academics. It is only for the soul seeker.
Did Moses become his own Grandpa?
Moses (winter), like Cain (winter)...married his own mother.
Moses, or Aquarius, passing from the dark into the light hemisphere, married Zipporah (the singing bird), the Virgo of spring. By Zipporah, Moses had two sons - Eliezer (Ram- helps = summer), and Gershom (A-stranger-here = winter, i.e., winter comes after summer).
Zipporah circumcised her son. Of course, she did; but her son was her husband. This the text distinctly declares: "Then Zipporah took a sharp stone (the stone Ebenezer) and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at his (her son's) feet, and said, surely a bloody husband art thou to me " (Ex. 4.25). Language cannot be plainer.
Now, in explanation: Moses had two sons, Eliezer and Gershom. The first personified summer, was not circumcised, because he didn't reach the end of the year. Hence, he was " cut off from his people " (Gen. 17. 14). Gershom was born in a strange land, as his name imports. He thus represented both hemispheres with his father; and both coming to the spring equinox at the same moment, were circumcised by Zipporah, who, coming down to the western horizon, seized the stone, cut off the "foreskin" of each, and cast it at their (Moses') feet - Aquarius having just entered the upper hemisphere. (See your Zodiac.) Thus, we can understand how the Bible worthies intermarried - the father the daughter, the son the mother, etc.
Lessons? Like what? The God of the Old Testament is an immoral evil prick so don’t mess with him?
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@@ironsharkddd Yes, Islam is also framed on the template of the Hero's Journey. If all the Abrahamic religions evolved from Genesis, then by default, it doesn't become any more true after that. Christians and Muslims are far down stream from reality.
@@harveywabbit9541 I've got it dialed in
The fact that the Hyksos had taken over a large part of Egypt at some prior date was the source of Egyptian distrust of anybody who might be from non-Egyptian origin, particularly if the spoke a different language and/or had different customs (especially religious customs).
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Re: the name of Moses. If the Egyptian aristocracy and the Israelites came from a common ancestor, it's possible that Moses could be both a Hebrew and an Egyptian name. The Hebrews may have reserved the use of the name while the Egyptians used it as a Royal name. And if you know a bit of paleo-Hebrew, the name Moses takes on an additional dimension. The first symbol (or the first letter) is Mem, which can mean Water or Chaos, And the meaning of the name Moses is "One who is/was drawn from the Water. As for the Egyptians, their own symbol for Water looks just like Mem.
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How on earth does anyone think God is love
Only idolators think that.
God is God and love is love.
Jordan Peterson had a interesting take on the Exodus story. It was a phycological slant where the snakes were fears and the people had to look at their fears in order to overcome them. They had been slaves and wanted to go back in some cases. If they wanted to be a fee people they would have to contend with all that freedom means. the good and the bad.
Free to prosper, free to starve, Borrowed from a Viking book.
The Exodus story, in the bible, only takes place in the Mazzaroth.
Ah yes, JP, the famous historian 🙄
What is the earliest archeological evidence for Israelites in the land of Canaan?
It's not in Canaan, where archeologists are generally in wide agreement the nation of Israel first formed, however there is a reference to Israel in the Egyptian Merneptah Stele, a monument dating back to around 1200 BC. This is, to date, the earliest mention of Israel as a people/nation, who were enemies at war with Egypt. Translated, the hieroglyphics read something like: "Israel has been laid to waste and its seed is no more". So already by then, it was an identifiable civilization, that the Egyptians were commemorating their defeat of. Clearly they were unsuccessful if their intentions were to eradicate the Israelites as a collective people, a failure that would be repeated multiple times under different empires, most recently, of course, with Hitler's genocide. Otherwise, there are archeological evidences of a culture in Canaan that is recognizably Jewish, or proto-Jewish (though a bit later than the stele, the settlements, for instance, show a conspicuous absence of pig bones) before it was, if memory serves, entirely monotheistic.
Monotheism, the defining feature of Judaism, from what we know, wasn't recognizably brought into its final form until around the time of the Babylonian exile during the time of the greatest Hebrew prophets (6th century BC). That being said, the Tanach, which is essentially the Old Testament writings wasn't put into written form until after the exile, when the preserving traditions became paramount (the prophets are often rebuking Israel's rulers for their waywardness, their idolatry, etc, so that kinda does make sense). Though it was probably handed down by generations, probably even centuries of oral tradition.
Btw, monotheism itself was a thing that predates Judaism. Pharaoh Akhenaten aka Imenhotep (15th century BC) tried to change the Egyptian religion into the worship of only the Sun-God, Aten/Ra. My own conjecture, if I had to bet on a real candidate for the Moses origin story is a priest and his followers who wanted to preserve that monotheism when Akhenaten's successors reverted to the original polytheistic religion. Clearly he was out of a job, so he probably left Egypt with his followers to venture into the land of Canaan, where the real genesis of Hebrew culture happened. Ok, the evidence for this is fragmentary, but it makes some sense. Additional conjecture (not my own) holds that said God came to be identified as Yahweh - but for a period of time, the proto-Israelites were henotheists, which means they did acknowledge the existence of other gods, but were committed to the worship of one above all others (incidentally, for a while God even had a wife/female counterpart named Ashurah. Clay idols of her have been unearthed). The evidence for henotheism is preserved in Genesis, where God refers to himself as "we", though later rabbinic interpretation will argue that "we" refers to God and his angels, probably out of a commitment to the traditional narrative of Jewish monotheism going back 4000 years ago, to a figure known as "Abraham" which is more of a title than a proper name. But who's to say those angels weren't originally the companion gods? The defining feature of angels, vs gods is that the former have no free will and are absolutely subservient to Yahweh, including Satan, despite later Christian revision. Satan as an adversary to God is believed to have been the influence of either the Babylonian or the Persian Zoroastrians, the latter of whom ruled over the Jews for a while (and were one of the few empires the Jews seemed to have been OK with). BUT, since Job is considered to be the oldest text in the Tanach with the earliest mention of Satan, it preserves the tradition of Satan's role as a kind of district attorney in the court of God. He tempts man, yes, but ultimately works for God, tasked with the testing of Jewish faith in Yahweh's redemption.
Check out the stele though, it's quite fascinating. Here's a link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele
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Hey - I thought the selection of Moses with Horns that you have on your thumbnail was simply Michelangelo trying to depict the “heavenly light”