What’s Faster: Older Rally Car -OR- New Rally Car?? Ken Block Compares GC8 VS 2021 Subaru WRX STI
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 เม.ย. 2021
- Its time for a Rally car showdown! Ken Block test a 90's Subaru Impreza GC8 group N rally car against his new 2021 Subaru WRX STI rally car that he will be campaigning this year for the ARA championship. We head to Dirtfish Rally School to compare the legendary 1997 Subaru Impreza GC8 STI vs. Ken Blocks new 2021 Subaru WRX STI prepared by Vermont Sports Car. A lot has changed in 25 years...especially in rally technology. So, can the old school car stand a chance against the new school car? Watch and find out!
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Now let's see a real 555 WRX Group A with full power
My point further up! This isn't a like for like! Haha
Exactly. This comparison is dumb as hell, and yet they gloat about how much faster the new car is. I might be a fanboy, but I feel that an old Subie deserves more respect than it got in this video.
@@keaixiaomeinv Fr they took a lightly modded gc8 and put it up against a fully built wrc car. Of course the new one is gonna win they aren't even in the same weight class.
Group A 93 or 94 Impreza with the smaller restrictors would have been a totally different beast compared to this.
@@daveruda I bet it will be like 1 or 2 second behind MAX
Boy the sound of that old boxer is just sick
I love mine👌🏼 when it’s not knocking 😂 so rarely
@@samcarman9709 if there is knocking coming from a Subaru its the big end bearing's and that a full rebuild if you haven't ran it too long after totaling the engine.
@@taz2400 Thanks, captain OBVIOUS!
@@chrischoy9 What's so obvious captain idiot? There is plenty of owners that don't know that.
yeah videogames are here just to make you dumber... right? hahahahah
Breaks my heart, RIP Ken. He won his last rally in a Subaru where he belongs.
The growl of the old boxer is iconic
Defo, perfect for me
I bought a Legacy RSRA in 95 because of that noise. Haven't enjoyed a car as much since that one. 2.2 twin turbo BEAST.
"Can we pop the hood?"
"No, absolutely not. Not gonna happen!!!!"
So fu**ing ridicolous. Made me laugh out loud cause i thought he was joking. My god!
Fine vermont sports car keep your secrets 😂
@@GnarlyNixon An engine with some racing parts on it.
"Oh shizzle, let's keep it a secret". Lol
@@DanielFrost79 Lol no point in keeping it a secret. Rally racing starts at the grassroot level. Make the car build public so I can copy it 😂
I literally stopped watching at this point
@@revanda85 the driving is the best part!! Pops and crackles for daysss
all the 90's kids are drooling right now. 😍🤤
Fuck yeah!
im a huge wrx fan.. aw sooo gud
🤤🤤🤤
I'm not a 90's kid but I'm also drooling 🤤
@@Jik_weird same lol it was awesome to see an old rally car in its nature again, good stuff!
Regardless of which one is faster, I'd still way rather own the '90s Impreza all day!!
Hell no
Me too they are the best looking Subarus ever made. Even tho the new ones are all technology ect you can’t beat a 90s car is gives you more of an authentic drive it’s quite surreal. Also theres a different feeling you get going fast round a corner compared to going straight. I’d rather that adrenaline rush pinning it round corners knowing any small mistake can mean major injure 🤣
Straight up 100 I come back to this video just for sound quality i love it
@John Citizen I'd say imprezas are obviously still good just the road going subarus aren't as good as they used to be. Off topic but old subaru legacy and outlanders were beasts stock
@John Citizen deadset! I get looks all the time and people want to race even tho I just have a 99 Impreza rx not even turbocharged but looks and sounds like a wrx 👌🏽 havnt been bothered to fully unlock its potential by putting in a done up ej207 if my wallet can take it haha but so far she’s got 427,00 on the clock and still going great 💪🏽 plus I can’t help but hit redline nearly every time I drive it and it’s still holding up great I just give it regular maintenance as usual and if anything breaks to the shop it goes cause it’s a pain working on them engine wise with no shed or proper tools ect
Whoever is flying that drone is doing a really good job.
No, they're actually flying pretty terribly, but people don't know what to look for with flying.
I always think that about hoonigan stuff. They should do an ep on the drone fliers
@@IOUaUsername Dang dude.
@@IOUaUsername, would be cool if you could land such a gig right?
Ken, do you see this?
This guy think he's a better pilot than you currently have.
(my rule is: only criticize if you know you are better)
You are better, right?
@@IOUaUsername knowing what to look for means absolutely fuck all buddy, question is, can you walk the walk.
"you don't even need power as long as it's loud"
I NEED A SHIRT OR STICKER
YES
oh shit not the subaru civic 😨😨
@@lachychops2 oh no not my mustang
I heard Honda Drivers live by this as a rule.
*brz/frs owners looking at each other*
Feel free to come back and do some more donuts anytime 😎
It’s dirt fish guys
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I think its pretty amazing that a pretty much stock Subaru from the 90s is only 10s slower than a full blown modern rally Subaru
that course is about 90% wheelspin so kind of makes sense
@@quicktoreason2722 yeah 10 sec is alot for any race
10s isn't much for 2 decades worth of tech
@@theelephant5974 10seconds is rally racing a big deal, things a very competitve and 10 secs lost of time is a huge dissapointment. You can complete the quater mile in the 10 secs
@@tonyhuang431 they compared apples to oranges here though. The cars are in no way comparable.
I just want to imagine the potential that Colin McRae, Richard Burns or Petter Solberg could bring out of that old STI.
Exactly. And if it wasn't restricted too!
@@MASAo7 Yeah He should get hold of a Celica without restriction or a WRX like Alistair McRae's current one. it would wreck that new car.
But the new one is faster?
@@selektor2567 Against a more restricted class and older Subbie. A proper A class driven by one of those legends would probably make Ken cry.
@@MASAo7 hi MASA.
I had no idea the dirt 4 playground complex was a real place
Yeeboi
Had no idea either
Yea it's the dirt fish rally school playground.
Also the office building was used on the old tv show Twin Peaks back in the day
Hells ya...Dirtfish facility will be unmistakable for you now
god the old impreza is just so sick. I know the new WRXs are so much better in performance, but the old ones just look and sound nastier (in a good way lol)
its group N vs a pro spec car. there is no performance comparison.
And are soooo much lighter, you can throw them around corners
@@lepermessiyah5823 a more fair comparison would have been a group A spec Subaru against a modern WRC. Best car I have seen live though was a AUDI quattro S1. And I'm pretty sure a modern WRC would beat them on most stages despite the difference in Power.
What a lame comparison a WRC spec Vs a group N and Ken wasn't even driving it hard so the new one is not as good hahahaha the tech has not changed that much and if the group N car was set up properly I'm sure it would have helped also.
@@mattschm5486 not sure 600bhp from the Audi S1 the shifts would be quicker in the new car but that is about all.
"Tanner came in and nailed me."
That rumble will never get old.
I find it hilarious that Ken has a can of monster not just in his hand but holding it in a way that the label is showing perfectly, gotta get that sponsorship revenue 😂
they make branded cans filled with water for sponsored athletes
Didja notice he didn't drink any? Skip to 1:54..he almost did and then realised what he was holding and changed his mind
@@scruff7559 might be the wrong comment to reply to bro doesn't seem to match the topic
@@scruff7559 oh okay I understand what you meant my bad haha
I met Ken block in person back in 2017, I assume he was holding that can to kinda block his huge belly
MY SOUL DIED WHEN HE SAID "NO, YOU CANT SEE THE ENGINE"
Gotta keep that turbo/super and intakes a secret.
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Just come to a rally. They have to open it for competition inspection.
Probably cause it's got a FA in it lol
A full rallie 90s subaru wold be nice to see full throtle. The are smaller and lighter ... it would be epic.
I guessed 10 seconds difference at the start and it turn out I was right. But that's a car that is in significantly lower class at the time (25 years ago) as it's basically a production car. So I think this was actually a terrific result for the classic scuby and besides its miles cooler than the new one in just about every way.
This just confirms that 90s STIs are a national treasure. Because of the restrictions to modifying the rally racing cars they come out the factory stock ready for a straight exhaust and some rally tires 🤤
Eh ?
The service on a wrc impreza from the 90s is more expensive than a fast car
Its not only tires and exhaust
God damn 🤣
A wrc car shares literally no parts with the production model, except for possibly the head and tail lights. Its like comparing the toyota camry in nascar to the actual toyota camry.
@@ameraldas3641 in this time there was no WRC cars. First two WRC cars came in 1997 ( Impreza WRC and Ford Escort WRC In this body was A group Subaru Impreza 555 Turbo.
@@ameraldas3641 Rear window - rear glass had to be stock. Ford World rally team was disculified once in 2001 if I remamber corectly because They had rear glass few grams too ligh.
@@ameraldas3641 In the 90's they were the same pretty much front to back aside from a full cage, stripped interior to a point, and some engine and serious suspension mods.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the type RA ECU was the one they ran in group N, but I don't know for sure on that one. I have one going into my WRX when I've got the new engine built, going to be awesome
The smile on alex’s face while in the old STI was so good he was having so much fun in that car
Probably lots of memories in cars like that for him
2.5 RS
Came here to say that. Can't quite tell, but kens face suggested a smile as well
10 seconds slower, in a class thats meant to be slower, in a 200hp restricted engine. quite unfair. go get a group B and itll dump all over any new rally car.
Group B was the most exciting Auto Racing, i ever saw. After Group B ended, rally car was lame
Bro it’s obvious it’s not fair. What is the point of this comment? Ken even said that he knew it would be slower, he just wanted to see how far technology has come. And just to have a good time in these sexy looking cars.
@@guestguest9 if you want to see how far technology has come youd pair it against its own class.
Was looking for this comment. Thanks for saying it for me as well bro.
Y r words run true, plus the whole point was it was almost like a production car :)
i could listen to the 90's Impreza's all day. i love the crackle they make. they sound even better in person
Did you catch the smile on Alex’ face when in the RA? That’s just pure awesome
You totally beat me to this comment!
When in doubt flat out, I trust Colin is watching down and smiling and proud of you Ken thank you HHIC :)
I sincerely hope so
Damn I’m not sure how I missed this, but I didn’t know Colin McRae had died.
Drew Gorman didn’t he pass in like 07
@@SPEEDYNOOB yeah trust me i know that’s a bit nuts , I have no idea how I didn’t hear about it in the last 14 years.
Nah he's laughing thinking you still haven't won a WRC Championship 🤣🤣 kens a show off driver not a good racer
2021 Subaru WRX STI: "I'm the best!"
1985 Lancia Delta S4: "So, you have chosen death"
Lancia Delta S4: (laughs in group B)
Delta S4 was slower overall than Group A cars, but yeah its a fucking deathtrap
@@kisbalintkirill4443 A sexy looking deathtrap. But probably still enough to take this thing, if a near stock GC8 was able to remotely keep up.
Oh i've heard Delta S4 say that very same line before to Henri Toivonen.
they were all death traps back then and the Sport Quattro S1 E2 sound was just incredible!!!!
i dont like how they tuned the modern wrx so much it sounds like any other raspy engine the old wrx just sounds so great it kinda looks better too and for an almost stock car its pretty good
The fact that Nate was stoked to talk about the old subby and then dan was mostly souless talking about the new one can describe my feelings for this video.
New cars have progressed so much and have so much tech on them but it seems that people around them forgot how to have fun and what it means to actually love cars and driving.
old school all the way
Mostly the people who drives them, driving nostalgia, people prefer to remember when they had fun than how to have fun and doing it.
@@SpecterNeverSpectator Not just that. The old cars were REAL fucking cars. You could buy those cars at your closest dealership.
Those new cars are akin to f1 racing cars, only the 0.001% elite can drive those cars. Fuck that shit.
Props to the drone operator! Awesome shots
I've been scrolling to find this comment, I'm always so impressed with these FPV drone pilots! I'd love to learn how to fly one...
Yup, amazing shots. I had no idea they could get so fast and chase a car. Dope stuff.
The drone flip at 180 :-) :-)
@@arkoudiou Oh yeah, they can go fast! Professional FPV pilots with their built drones go like 90+MPH, unlike the new DJI FPV drone that goes 80MPH.
@@jeffs3119 holly ish 90+ mph? How's the battery holding? I hope they use them more often in the future at racing events.
playing DiRT 4 and now watching this is just premium. Big thanks to all of you, love that camera spots 👌
Great video !
I still like the older one to look at but the 2021 is something else. The drone pilot is a legend.
Many thaks.
Bit of an unfair fight comparing a group n vs an open class car. But still great fun seeing both cars on the stage.
That was my first thought. No shit an old group n is going to be slow.
Group A had been more fair to be compared.
Let's face facts there's no way Ken is going to be allowed within a mile of L555 BAT
@@mpainter22 lol this comment didn't age well
@@mythicalducky how so?
Legend has it, the gray in Russell's beard is just snow that travels with him from mountain to mountain
thus providing more snow for our future. kind of like pollination
the smile on Ken's face in the 555 tells everything
Drone pilot is on point! Awesome footage. Need to do this in WRC
Subject of video:
"we put a restrictor on old factory subaru so we finally can make it slower than new full racing 999k$ subaru"
The new scooby also has restrictions. They're not in the same category anyway.
yup.
also, it's a group N impreza. so it probably would be slower. especially with aerodynamics and antilag systems
@@kirby1225 exactly 200bhp v 360 🤔
And they only 9% faster than an off the showroom GC8, the difference would be even less against a first gen usdm wrx like my 02 bugeye wagon!!!
Ken Block is obviously talented,
But how about that drone pilot, badass.
Came here looking for this comment 👌🏾
@@bigceemen9991 are you the pilot?
@@somethinglikeawelder4250 Whoa!
His toilet bowl was tight when he did the 180
Just finished watching Richard Burns Group A car ripping around a circuit, and I think that'd be a closer match than the group N car, would be interesting to see a Group A car vs this one. 90's Prodrive vs 21 prodrive
I would like to see a comparison of this new car with a old 600 + Hp group B Car
Ken should do an undercover video where makeup artists make him look totally different and he puts on a different accent and goes to a rally school as a "new" rally driver, then kicks into Ken Block mode and makes the instructor shit their pants
This is a good idea
Red Bull has done stuff like that. Monster might get some shit if they try to do something like that. A great idea tho. Maybe they could do it with Sebastian Loeb or something
“You have to listen to my calls, Samir!”
@@kaankaya5273 "You're breaking the car Samir!"
YES
The restrictor removed on the 90’s prezza would make it a beast, do that!!
They can't do that because in that case the evolution of the new model would not be so noticeable and would be negative for Subaru America's marketing. After all it’s all about marketing and never a fair test...
@@pvm3593 great reply!! I mean take it out for fun one afternoon with just the boys around no cameras. Wouldn’t be surprised if it doubled the horsepower. Or take the restrictor out on both and show what is really capable from both cars!!!
@@pvm3593 you do realise that the 32mm restrictor has been mandated for Group N since 1996?
This isnt a marketing ploy by Subaru. the FIA has always mandated restrictors since the end of Group B.
Its not a Group N car if it doesnt have that restrictor. i assume Dirtfish keeps it in that spec as they probably use it to train drivers for that class.
@@miguelsanchez6465 rally cars have to be built to spec. breach that spec, and they dont qualify (eg: toyota with their air restrictor bypass on the 92 Celica GT4 Group A). its also best left at spec to prevent any spec breaches before racing.
The VSSC Pastrana Gymkana WRX and Prodrive Manx TT WRX are better representation of what happens when you're not limited to those class specs
@@nakeyboy I know it has to be equiped with a restrictor, what I didn’t like was that they devalued the image of the GC8 Impreza making it look incredibly slow by making an unfair comparison. The right car would have been a Group A 95/96 Impreza which was equiped with the 34mm restrictor just like the newer WRX STI rally cars. With all this I don't mean that the GC8 would be faster, because it never will be, but in any case there wouldn’t be such big difference in performance as they want to make it seem.
great Comparison awesome video as always , and Drone Pilot you can really fly that Drone , Great footage and great work, keep it coming guys well-done
Those drone pictures was really nice!
"Sounds so good but it's so slow" as a turbo Forester driver, I felt that. 😂🙃
Can we all appreciate the drone shots in this video. Props to the drone guy!
That toilet bowl the drone did when he did the 180 around the cone was tight
@@08HR350z dude that impressed me more as a half ass drone pilot i was loving it.
@@richardspears5384 The drone is linked to a tracker on the car. All on auto pilot.
@@RecluseHolster no shot buddy thats an fpv drone somebody's flying that thing
hell yeah, those drone shots were fuggin' gorgeous.
such a rally icon and has inspired so many people R.I.P Ken Block
Whoever ran that drone was a boss... the low flight height, chasing the cars through the turn while also camera tracking the car was awesome...
Ken block is literally the dad that sets on the couch and drinks beer all day and watches NASCAR and says i could do that but really can 😂 😂.
Drinks sponsored Monster, because who needs kidneys.
Actually when he tired WRC it did not end well , turns out there is a difference between being an excellent shunt driver and being a world class rally driver.
I love how Ken and Alex are grinning the whole time they do the run in the subaru
Rip Ken Block, you will always be the GOAT #43 Forever Legend👊
Man that was a good video!!
They are having so much fun in the 90’s subaru gelsomino’s smile says it all
For having a restrictor that cut off probably half of it's airflow the old Scooby didn't do too bad!?! I'll take the old 555 any day!!
Вот вот, я об этом же подумал. Если б на Импрезе 90-х не было рестриктора, который душит мотор и стоял бы такой же 6-ти ступенчатый секвентал, как на более новой Субару, то ещё не факт что была бы такая большая разница во времени прохождения трассы.
Amen to that!
I'm so pumped for this one.
That drone pilot is something else as the drone is as quick as the car. Amazing shots! 👍
GpN car vs. something just shy of a full-blown WRC car is a little uneven, but loved the comparison regardless! It would be nice to see how the early 2000's Prodrive GpA/WRC stuff stacks up against the modern Vermont cars - more exotic tech. (like the early auto 6 speed that was only legal for like 1 year, rocket ALS system, etc.) vs. a more modern (and more production-based) chassis.
The sound of the old Subie is giving me chills!
i still think that thing would have dusted the new one actually rallying it full bore
@@angelic420x5 I love full bore GC8's!
The old Subaru sounds as beautiful as the first day i've heard it.
I love how the quadcopter easily keeps up with the cars and overshoots them because it is so damn fast. I love flying them.
they should do a hoonigan special on those pilots. They do a fantastic job.
This Uncle Russ Russ (Russell Winfield) needs to be in every video moving forward. Frankly he needs to be hired by Subaru of America and Hoonigan to do ARA coverage for Block. He's fucking fantastic and such a fresh, loud, engaging personality that American rallying could really use! DirtFish, ARA Rally, Hoonigan, Ken Block give this man a job!
Im going to say hard pass. The man talked about basketball the whole time. Not one mention of Colin Mcrae the true GOAT.
It was a nice video until that guy came in and ruined it.
@@poppinblisters8782 Colin McRae is objectively not the true GOAT of top tier rallying and other drivers also piloted classic WRC Imprezas. Richard Burns, Carlos Sainz, Juha Kankkunen just to name a few.
@@LCY77 So similar to your Legacy? It was a great car until it came under your ownership and ruined it?
Ken's standing around with his energy drink like he's chilling around a campfire with a beer
But it's not even open 😆
and he never even took a sip. The drink is lava.
Gotta get that sponsorship 🍞
That drone camera work is awesome
haha, Twin Peaks shots were ace. Great video, always good to see an RA getting a bit of a hiding. Less and less common to see, even here in New Zealand 🤘- Taz.
even kens co driver cant hold back a smile.Its not about which is faster,its about driving a legendary car and a piece of history
It’s not the actual one still cool though
That OG boxer sound doe
After the tragedy. It’s weird but comforting seeing old vids when he was still around. It still doesn’t feel right.
Rest in paradise you absolute icon 💯
Ha! That smile on Alex's face in the old GC. I bet that was a huge blast for him
Alright but what about the Group A and WRC GC8's. That would probably be more fair in terms of modifications.
They can't do that because in that case the evolution of the new model would not be so noticeable and would be negative for Subaru America's marketing. After all it’s all about marketing and never a fair test...
Would love to see Ken take the Escort, Sierra, RS200, the GC8 and the new subie on the same closed course and get splits comparing the differences. Would be awesome to see.
Not gonna happen he has a contract with subaru now so ford is out
@@rowan1759 But they are all his personal cars
@@grumples1517 sort of but but he drives ford because that was his sponsor
@Rowan17 i believe Ken is a free agent. He will be participating different events in different cars (Trophy truck, Porsche 911). I believe it was mentioned in one of the previous vids
@@Styles29 yes but his contract is with subaru
I agree with most of the comments that I have seen, having competed during the 90's comparing a 90's Group N Subaru to any current Rally cars is not a fair comparison make the same modifications on a current car and run them side by side then we would see a real result.
Hats off to the drivers and navigators who were pushed their comparitivly low tec rally cars to amazing speeds and stage times I don't know how you did it!!
I man. I almost flipped when the drone flew from low to high in the 180 turn. Holy. Good one
Liked Russell immediately with that analogy.
Edit then he got asked to go for a ride. Love him now
When its up to sound....ill take the older impreza 😍
after the news that ken is passed away, this video comes up in my recommendation. RIP Legend.
Ken it's great to see you are back with Subaru.
Is it weird that I instantly recognized he was inside the warehouse in the middle of the Dirt Fish School from Dirt Rally 2.0? 🤣
130 hp difference... I'd say the GC8 is doing pretty good for being 25 years older
Love Russell's energy 🤟
Love that can placement
Disclaimer these are not evenly matched cars by class but good luck finding Group A car to play with. Awesome video. Amazing cars.
That drone footage was sick, shout out to the operator
its good to see ken block et al. bring rallying to the us. he's a good showman.
ken block's driving has come a long way, those were some beautiful lines
All the camera angles, action drones, and pro editing is literally unmatched. Super driving Ken Block as always!!!
Woah.... The gc8 sounds the bomb ❤️❤️❤️ just as i remembers it back then when chasing them rallycars in the Malaysian's forest
The old one sounds heavenly and looks so much more badass. Gotta love it
Great video. Even greater drone footage.
Ken needs a custom 2DR built by VSC for his next Gymkhana's! A homage to the 22B!
Like mine 🤭
@@ahilkhan555 I have no idea what yours looks like, would love to see!, but sure! Absolutely! 🤘😃🤘
@@WilkinsonGarrett Check it out @ahilkhan555 on Instagram, based off of a STI Type R
@@ahilkhan555 Just checked it out! Wow! That’s an amazing build!
He doesn't do gymkhana anymore
Ken Block's Gymkhana series in the future will be in a Subaru again.. hopefully the old one will included
Fica aqui meu Registro de admiração por este Senhor Ken Block. Ele foi o responsável por eu ser tão fã de Subarus. Um cara incrível! Marcou história!
That flat four sound is one of a kind 👌
And just like that GC8 prices went up. THANKS KEN IVE BEEN SAVING FOR ONE OF THESE
@@kelalkelal this is why I switched to motorcycles 🤣
That GC8 Subie giving that old rumble in the jungle... love that sound! Actually sounds better than the new one.
Love that rally racing. But the pilot of that drone.... damn
We sure do miss you man
Awesome shots and a really interesting comparison
13:32 - Seeing Alex smiling *during* a race, that's rare!
Ken drives good, the drone pilot flies awesome!
Older gen subbies sound so cool I went ahead and bought one. I use it as a daily