The 'North 54' refugees: Linguistic echoes of a turbulent time
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
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I use these two clips to demonstrate the North 54 accent:
• Bà Cụ Bắc 54 | Tự do ....
• Quan trọng là con vui ...
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ANNIE IS BACK!
Welcome back Annie. Aussie born Viet here. I'd always been confused as to why my family was from the south (Sai Gon and Ba Ria) yet we had a bit of a northern accent. Only learnt in adulthood that my families came from the north. And now you have given me the name for this...very ignorant on my part I know but very happy to learn more :-)
I FEEL SEEN! Thank you so much for this explanation!
I grew up so confused as to why my Vietnamese had neither accents and it's because of this reason! My mom and dad moved to the south at that time when they were still pretty young, so they grew up in the south with northern speaking parents. After learning more about the differences of northern and southern terms, I realized my family uses some of each!
My dad’s parents were from the north and settled in Da Nang in the 50’s where they had him. I’m in America with a large southern population so I have both the Da Nang accent and can switch to southern decently. Thank you so much for teaching about history and all the things past just pronunciation! I love your videos on the different accents and giving examples. There’s nearly no resources for learning Vietnamese the southern way or middle way since everything is northern.
Annie, thank you for this insightful video - although my parents/grandparents were not bắc 54, they came to America from the North after the war. Most Vietnamese people in America (at least where I am at) speak the southern accent. So I see so much parallels between the bắc 54 accent and how I grew up hearing and learning Vietnamese from my parents. Not exactly Southern or Northern accent but some where in between.
This is fascinating. I don’t see any other TH-cam channel talking about Vietnamese linguistic phenomena or socio linguistic factors such as this at all. Please keep these coming, they are really interesting and such a valuable resource for learners and anyone with an interest in the Vietnamese language.
Great video! This explains so much. Parents are bắc 54 and I speak with this 'mixed' accent too. When I'm in Hà Nội people think I'm from Sài Gòn and when I'm in Sài Gòn people think I'm bắc when I speak! However I definitely use more southern vocabulary though.
Thanks Annie! GF’s parents went to the South in 54 (Catholics) and she grew up with both accents, Northern at home then Southern at school. Sometimes I hear elements of both.
Thank you Annie for this very helpful video explaining about Northern and Southern accents. After living in Vietnam now for more than 8 years, I am still flabbergasted at the complexity of ngôn ngữ tiếng Việt. Your videos and lessons are a great help to my learning.
Thanks for covering this topic! I’d also like to add, that the northern accent that 54s speak with is quite different than the accent spoken in the north today. Just like you covered in your Việt kiều video, the accent is from a different time, at least with the 54s living abroad.
My wife speaks North 54. She grew up near HMC. Cool to see this mentioned!
I was so happy to see you make a new video! ❤ This topic is very interesting to me! As a second generation, saigon emmigrant my mother wasn't able to explain such differences in her pronunciations.
This is a great video, and lovely to get some personal insight. As somebody who moved from the North to the South, I find this is kind of similar to my experience---I have been able to change my tones, and my pronunciation of d-, gi-, r-, etc., but I can't bring myself to change -n to -ng, or -ng to -n, or -t to -c/k!
Wow very interesting, my catholic grandparents and parents migrated from north Vietnam to south Vietnam in 1954 but I never knew of the historical significance of it…now I know….thank you 😊
thanks so much
Thank you for this great and informative video. I learn so much from them!
yay welcome back Annie! I was a bit worried since you didnt post any new videos for a whole year.
Really like how you pointed it out the fact that with a mixed accent, certain words can have mixed elements of both the northern and southern accents - which i never noticed before! so cool!
I like this accent. It has the best of both regions.
I didn't know that it had a name, but my Vietnamese sounds like this. I appreciate the "full" alphabet of the South and I appreciate the vowels and tones of the North.
I'm a beginner learning Vietnamese in San Francisco. I'm very glad to learn about the "North Fifty Four" and I think many of them probably also emigrated to the U.S.A. Vietnamese is a difficult language, but I've already learned to speak a lot of Mandarin and Cantonese and many Vietnamese words sound close to Cantonese, although I imagine the Fukianese/ 面南話 dialects have been even more influential. Frankly, I don't think Vietnamese dialects present much difficulty in leaning the language, especially if you're aware of the differences, like those explained in this video.
Fascinating.
Tui nghĩ là bạn nên xài từ "Sài Gòn" vì nghe từ Sài Gòn dễ thương với gần gũi hơn với người miền Nam. Từ Sài Gòn đã tồn tại từ rất lâu. Cám ơn bạn đã đọc và lắng nghe.
This is interesting! I'm using Duolingo to learn Vietnamese, and they are teaching the standard giọng miền bắc. But my goal is to try to learn giọng miền nam.
Now my confused brain is making me read, speak and even sing like bắc 54. 😂
Don’t worry, at the end of the day it’s the same language, and most professional singers sing in a southern accent haha
I am not even studying Vietnamese but somehow I like watching your videos xD . Very interesting history lesson here!
I've been learning vietnamese by myself last 5 years and now I can proudly call myself Bac 54
@@brad3145 because my accent is combination of southern+northern
Hi Annie, I recently got book 1 for my 2 bilingual boys. We have been really enjoying it, the videos are also very helpful with understanding the accents.
Welcome back Annie! Ngày mai tôi đi Việt Nam với gia đình tôi 3 tuần
Hồng đào is an example that barely sounds northern at all. What about Nguyễn Ngọc Ngạn or Phạm Duy who also fled South? They sound more northern, but their accents are drastically different from the predominant accent in the North today.
Both sides of my grandparents are bac 54. And I was born in America. I still have tbe bác 54 accent 😂😂😂
same. either side of my family lived 4 miles from each other in the north and my parents lived a block away from each other in saigon, but they met in america LoL
Yay, welcome back!! 🤠
Hi Annie, welcome back!
Wow, this is very interesting!
And what a history for all these people and their descendants!
-- I wonder how the tones are in Bắc 54 accent.
I’m so happy to see you!
Why Vietnamese always move from north to south primarily but not the other way?
many went both ways, despite claims otherwise
Economically the south is a better place to live.
The South is doing better economically than the North, and the culture of the South is somewhat more modern, the South hates people who eat dog meat.
South is better to live in than North. Plain and simple. In economy, climate, mentality, culture...
Hello again. I just read several comments and I wonder where Annie went? Cảm ơn
Fascinating
awesome…that explain the way they drive, too. Stay away from license plate 60,61,62, 72…they are (mostly, not all) careless, aggressive street manner… I never know why until coming upon this clip..thank u
Cô lại quay video mới, Sướng quá! Cảm ơn cô nhiều lắm, cô ạ! Chúc cô mọi ₫iều tốt ₫ẹp nha!
Not really a mixed accent except for some shared and mingled vocabs. Its actually the old & authentic northern Vietnamese before 1954 which is inherently closer to ancient central and south accents (middle Vietnamese) from their very first immigration following Lord Nguyễn Hoàng southwards in the 1500s-1600s. Modern Northern accent nowadays was heavily modified and shifted towards the greater Hà Nội accent. Minimal pairs like /s/-/z/; undistinguished sound of d-gi-r, ch-tr, s-x, ưu-iu, ươu-iêu... are both Hanoi's things. Genuine Standard Northern accent, specifically the coastal ones, has everything well-distinguished just like other Vietnamese accents, especially south and central south, hence its people harmonized and was well-accepted into the southern society in 1954. Hanoi authority has done a terrible job of preserving traditional northern accent, making every northerners currently mispronounce and sound weird to other regions yet still claim the title of "Giọng phổ thông", how absurd! The sole positivity is in the field of modern music, singing in modern northern accent seems to sound smoother and deeper (when accuracy is not the priority)
yea, "setting straight" our mom's, is bad business Dear, I know. 😂
Do Bac 54 keep the Northern tones?
Cô annie come back rồi!!
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❤🇼🇫🇻🇳❤❤❤ I speak Vietnamese and I go to my Vietnamese nail salon
Important history
You think, I think, they think...what happens happens. انت تريد وانا اريد والله يعمل ما يريد
Collusion or conclusion?
Collusion!
So Vietnamese is even harder then I thought? Hihi
2:24 - Respectfully, the word is collusion, not conclusion.
In the USA, there is Area 51. People there have a particular way to speak too. 👽