Being humble is a quality Chinese culture promote & emphasize -children grew up being taught and reminded constantly to be humble by their parents & teacher.
Such a humnle person. I wish some of Americans learn from this. Denying Chinese to have NVIDIA chips has energized the humble Kai-fu's to create better ones. You cannot stop the Chinese, the gin is out of the bottle. What is great about the Chinese their enthusiasm to share it with rest of the world. Thank you Peter for being an exception.
The Chinese do not need to be innovative, they just have to be good at copying.. and they are fucking excellent at it.. so all it takes is time, time for something new to come out and the chinese will copy and call it as their own
I don't think it is accurate to even say that the Americans innovate and the Chinese execute because it is increasingly clear that the Chinese can innovate just as well and they can execute too, while the Americans are getting worse each year.
You're right. China is leading the world in AI by virtue of having the highest number of AI patents. Silicon Valley of the US is ahead of China only in the production of advanced semiconductor chips which are used in the development of AI projects. China is far ahead of other countries in generative AI inventions like chatbots, filing six times more patents than its closest rival the United States. China leads the world with 38,210 inventions, far surpassing the U.S. (6,276), Republic of Korea (4,155), Japan (3,409) and India (1,350). More than 38,000 GenAI inventions were filed by China between 2014-2023 versus 6,276 filed by the United States over the same period. Chinese patent applications covered a broad area of sectors from autonomous driving to publishing to document management. South Korea, Japan and India were ranked third, fourth and fifth respectively, with India growing at the fastest rate.
The reason why the Americans innovate is because China had suffered 100 years of humiliation(more like 150yr!) during which the country could barely feed its population!! Ever read a book called The invention of China?
@@FunFactFreaks China has lots of good ideas that they develop into real stuff. You just don't hear about that in western media. But China can always turn a good idea into reality even if it comes from somewhere else. If you don't want to get left behind, then compete faster. Don't whine when someone crosses the finish line before you do. BTW, America steal ideas and patent ALL THE TIME. The CIA literally runs industrial espionage against other Us empire vassal states to steal IP and data for US companies.
The Chinese are way ahead of US with quantum computer, why do American blame china for everything when it the US going around the world mass murdering people. You have a low iq.
Many breakthroughs in the USA are driven by individuals born in China, largely due to the strong education systems in their home countries. The USA benefits from harnessing the advanced knowledge and skills these students bring. However, many of these students and their parents are often more focused on the prestige of the university's name than the education itself. Meanwhile, China is already surpassing the USA in innovation in areas such as artificial intelligence, 5G technology, renewable energy, e-commerce, high-speed rail, and quantum computing and communication.
According to recent report by incoming Secretary of State, China has attained leadership in 37 out of 44 critical technologies, www.rubio.senate.gov/rubio-releases-report-the-world-china-made-made-in-china-2025-nine-years-later/
Huge fan of Dr Kai Fu Lee forever! Kudos on jumping back into entrepreneurship. Thank you for your patience with "our parents" (borrowing from Peter's great analogy towards the end). Good luck in continuing to leave your indelible mark on the world of AI (your 40-yr old baby... or your love as you mentioned early on). Thanks for your sage advice. Blessings.
Seems quite realistic as well. You can't shoot for the stars, but you can leverage your advantage which is low cost and hard work to compensate and get to where you want to go.
Thanks, Peter. Good interview. Not all questions have just one correct answer. When Kai-Fu Lee's first book came out I gave it to any computer science student that wanted it, and had trouble giving away a half dozen copies. I told all my programming students that in ten years they would not have a job if they did not get into AI or cybersecurity. Still, half of them just wanted to be game programmers.
I am very confident that China would be able to lead the technology and science in the next 10-20 years time. No one in the world of anyone could denis what Chinese capability and abilities, which Chinese use to the Discovered and Inventory talented Nation more than 4,500 years ago in their Golden Age Era.
@@TKL95 China stole most of it’s technologies. Chinese have very little innovation power the last 100 years. One thing the chinese are really bad at, is propaganda. Every day you guys vomit up the most absurd claims and nobody takes you seriously. Bejing propaganda is really very low quality. So naive. I laugh at the naive chinese. You don’t even believe your own lies. But still spread them on internet and hope somebody will believe you. We don’t.
One of the two high level issues that broke Google was the performance evaluation system valuing papers. Papers are almost always negative value for the company, but a benefit for the author. The speaker gets this.
Historically, the breakthroughs come from the most advanced societies. Let's not imagine there's anything special about America when it comes to innovation.
He’s just saying that to keep his US investors happy. He can work his Chinese workers hard but his Americanized AIs in China are getting left behind by the Chinese own and grown AIs just look at the performances of deepseek and QWEN. He told his workers not to innovate and just uses US universities research papers (who are by the way mostly written by mainland Chinese) to implement. He’s looking to capture $$$ and using the speed and efficiency of the Chinese to be one of the first in one of his projects so one or some becomes the next Unicorn to become the next billionaire.
@@realBlue2024examples with citations? Just the inventions at space x and Tesla alone: Tesla Motors has 3,442 patents globally, which belong to 1,139 unique patent families. Tesla also invented the Tesla Supercharger. Space x invented mechazilla and reusable rockets. These things are monumental achievements on top of thousands of others
That’s a CCP fantasy. The world will boycott Chinese products and this will have a strong negative impact on China. The Chinese war on democracy must be stopped.
If Larry Page thought that the holy grail was a single correct answer, he is far from being as clever as I thought he was. Big Brother might wish to define search in that way, but I don't. Hey, Google: What is the one correct way to cook an egg? Google: Hire a five-star Michelin chef to ask each person at the table how they like their eggs, and have the chef prepare each serving accordingly. Hey, Google: Holy smokes, that seems awfully expensive. Google: The simplicity of one-size-fits-all does not come cheap. But if you like, I can sell you a universal IKEA flat pack which contains every known appliance you could possibly need to cook an egg any possible way. Hey, Google: Will all these gadgets fit into my kitchen? Google: If you have to ask, probably not. But if you like, I can sell you a universal private volcanic island with enough kitchen space to hold every kitchen appliance ever invented in the history of humankind. Hey, Google: This seems to be getting more expensive, not less expensive. Google: Okay, I get it. You've only got two bucks. Just boil the damn thing for four minutes (pssst, and don't tell Larry I gave you a second opinion, this is just between us).
Great interview. I do however strongly disagree that Americans are still best at inventing new technologies and Chinese are best only at execution. This was the case maybe 5 to 7 years ago but nowadays China is constantly out innovating the US in most technologies (any technology related to electric cars or solar panels, or wind turbines, or high speed rail, even space technology is being developed much faster in China). China's universities, especially those with stem courses, are rising very fast with China graduating from many time more stem graduates each year, while the US is having a crisis in getting students to show interest in Stem. Also more Chinese papers are cited worldwide than American ones for one or two years now. One just has to look at Huawei, Dji, Xiaomi, Byd, etc to see that Chinese have no issues out inventing the west.
Except for that GenAI still came out first in the US. And the fact that Nvidia is miles ahead of the next company. And SpaceX is miles ahead in reusable rocket tech etc I think individualism leads to more break through innovations. Culturally China doesn’t lend itself to break through innovations, everyone prefers competing in established product/market fit. That’s not necessarily bad either as long as you can catch up quickly. Microsoft is a perfect example of that. China does really well with that as well.
China is leading the world in AI by virtue of having the highest number of AI patents. Silicon Valley of the US is ahead of China only in the production of advanced semiconductor chips which are used in the development of AI projects. China is far ahead of other countries in generative AI inventions like chatbots, filing six times more patents than its closest rival the United States. China leads the world with 38,210 inventions, far surpassing the U.S. (6,276), Republic of Korea (4,155), Japan (3,409) and India (1,350). More than 38,000 GenAI inventions were filed by China between 2014-2023 versus 6,276 filed by the United States over the same period. Chinese patent applications covered a broad area of sectors from autonomous driving to publishing to document management. South Korea, Japan and India were ranked third, fourth and fifth respectively, with India growing at the fastest rate.
You guys are still talking about implementing. Mr. Lee is referring to concept or ideas genesis. All the examples cited as China inventions are iterative improvements to a technology and no one can beat China in speed of iteration today. However theoretical stuff, China lags behind even small countries like Finland or Switzerland, I saw a pure research ranking list about a year ago, China wasn’t even in top 30, this has been echoed by Prof Yau Shing Tung in his keynote at Tsinghua University last year, he is basically China’s number one theoretical Math guy, Tsinghua University literally named the department and building after him. China has a long way to go before being able to come up with new ideas instead of making iterations of someone else’s ideas. Batteries invented by Italian, EV invented by American, Solar panels invented by American, LLMs (what must think as AI today) invented by American, etc. This is what Mr. Lee is referring to. The majority of China’s STEM graduates, they are what we call Practical Scientists who are experts at iterations aka making things better or improving things while Pure Research Scientists most famous is Einstein, China is hardly producing any today as confirmed by Professor Yau himself. Prof Yau also stated it would take about 3 generations before he believes China will start being a Pure Research powerhouse at current pace and investments.
As for first hand experience, I’m working with a few major China Universities specialising in Agricultural Research. They are also excellent at iterations but are sorely lacking in Pure Research. They have also echoed the wish for more Pure Research in their fields but do not have the training and have put their hopes on the younger generation but don’t see light at the end of tunnel as for every thousand practical agricultural scientist they produce, they would be lucky to get one pure research agricultural scientist. I’ve had a few conversations with these agricultural scientists in China over the last few years on the topic.
@@WarrenKLiu Singapore is the global leader only in the adoption or implementation of AI but is not even in the top ten in terms of the number of inventions in AI. Singapore is leading in this area only in the 'intensity' and not in the 'scale' of adoption or implementation of AI. ‘Intensity’ measures AI capacity relative to the size of a country’s population or economy. Smaller nations like Singapore, Israel and Switzerland lead the ranking on intensity. Singapore leading the world in the adoption or implementation of AI is analogous to Saint Lucia winning the Paris Olympics with two gold medals with a population of only 100000. On the other hand, China and the US lead the world in the 'scale' of AI adoption or implementation. Scale’ measures a nation’s absolute AI capacity, showing its output on the global stage - China and the US dominate here and not Singapore.
Open source is one of the 2 keys I am looking for. The other decentralization. Without it, I argue there is no path the AGI. It would also go a long way towards aligning the US and China. The Bitcoin of AI🖖
Let’s keep in mind that his earlier projections suggested that China would be far ahead of the West by now. He tends to be overly optimistic about everything related to China.
good work, Kai Fu. thank you. the split of development situation won't be changed/stopped until USA finally understands her hegemony can not be forever that a multilateral equal right world for all human beings on earth is what we human being needs.
I am busy working on the 1+1 algorithm for quantum computers. The code can run on a 486 CPU and still be effective. The mathematics are a new approach. This mathematics better explain or process the spooky effect that even Einstein could just observe. I can say I now know what it is and how to employ it mathematically in quantum systems but the problem is I don't have a qualification as a mathematician. I invent things in mathematics.
Beside US and Chinese engineers and their creativity, how are Japanese and Europe fit in the future of any AI model? What universities/colleges are driving the AI future besides Stanford and the business community? Do think tanks will be important in some inflection decisions in the US? Also, poweful people don't discuss ethics too much. What a point AI would a political issue? Thanks.
Eric Schmidt recently said that " (the gap between) the US and China is within a year's time, everyone else is well behind." , source:v=AjgwIRPnb_M, 26:58
Kai-Fu Lee is confident in his belief that training data is the real source of the AI's superpower, just like sunlight is the source of Superman's powers.
not everything needs or has options to choose from. imagine you search: is Wayne gay....then google pops up the leftist or rightist view about the subject that has nothing to do with you
Unfortunately he says it this way because we live in a world of alternative facts, thanks to maga. He's not saying we should limit choice when there are more options, just that when there is an actual correct answer, it isn't included with a bunch of opinions or conspiracies presented as facts. I think he sees your AI learning your interests and preferences and giving the best option for you. And I'm willing to bet he also envisions you being able to set your preferences in a way that provides you with more options, in the right context for you.
Just want to put it out here: Kaifu Li is known as a 大忽悠 (big liar) in China as he talks a lot but hasn’t produced anything significant after he left Google.
The culture is important. These types of things are non-existent in Africa. Yet we do try an align ourselves but then the leaders drag behind. Slowing process in Africa because the Minister are actually chosen to bring the virtual world together.
Both US and China (and maybe India soon) will lead the AI world to the next level. China has a very strong work ethic But I just think that US is far better at providing opportunities to individuals (with great ideas) to rise to the top. That’s why we see more new ideas from US and it’s more fun to work in US system. Just my personal opinion !!
Hi, this is my own idea, window must come out version .2 smart phone , to win Google and apple, and must all free apps to win , Google and apple! The smart phone must be around the same price of this 2 company!
Cutting edge researchers those making breakthroughs are in lab environments too busy for interviews. That being said no breakthroughs like transformers yet and thats been so long.
Hey buddy you might want to do a video on dr chris mcginty founder of the mcginty equation he talks about Ai holographic quantum computing and zero point energy and Healthcare.
This is the difference between Western mindset, and eastern. West: Buy buy buy, huge debt and inflation~ yes more, more. East: Let’s find a smarter way to optimize our systems to work with budgets.
I think Americans is taken in the context of the access of 8 Billion people who are attracted into the US academic system whilst the Chinese pertains to a population of 1.4 Billion indigenous to China, discounting Taiwan Chinese. So the culture or civilisation of the Chinese has to do with this Chinese propensity to innovate and down stream to execution. And 5 millennia is a big advancement to another of 3 millennia which defines the West.
I was waiting to hear how to deal with AI impact on jobs, but the host kept on interrupting the guest - before breaking into an ad about his skincare products? (Sigh)
I'm rooting for China just as I'm rooting for the USA -- does anyone who currently has their kid on antiobiotics due to an infection that Alexander Fleming was not Chinese? However, that stated, if you really care about this us vs them contest, China is at a disadvantage -- simply because they are not as free market capitalist as the USA in technology. The most capitalistic area of enterprise in the USA is the technology sector, and that's why there is such fast growth / innovation /etc. China still pretty repressive, maybe not on the economics side, but on the social side -- this repression actually hinders their potential.
i disagree with Kai-Fu Lee with regard to the west and application eco-system. The eco-system will take of itself because it is a freemarket. Whilst I agree with him with regard to winning with regard to productivity and achieving targets and goals, I didnt know until now how much China regulated AI. This coupled with the export restrictionsd the US have on AI (iincluding chip tech) will definitely be a huge obstacle for China to overcome in the AI race. I think perhaps to huge. Great interview though.
The new book The Bubble That Broke The Bank will deal with the coming structural unemployment in 2026. The new golden horde of AI workers will replace the non-Ai workers. This new labor force will have historic implications and lead to business owners using cheaper AI workers.
I don't agree , China don't have the AI hardware, US already in the peak of AI dev, Hardware and Software. While China have limited Datacenter for AI Training, only available GPU is A100 or limited H100 AI training. While US already have multiple H100 AI super PODs, and Future HGX B200 . China is too far from Gen AI development.
@@vincentwong1477 A100, H100 B200 HGX200 TPUV4, TPUV5 DGX B200 are the only Gen AI Chips capable of Generative AI Training, all are banned to sell to China. .
One of the most famous AI experts in the world, but speaks in such a humble manner, respect!
Being humble is a quality Chinese culture promote & emphasize -children grew up being taught and reminded constantly to be humble by their parents & teacher.
@@myew4481 If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, but I was the most humble man in China at one time, not so long ago.
YES DAWG! I FEEL IT
@@Lovin_It 你跟我这不叫谦逊，是确实身无长技啥也不是🤣
Niu 😂@@Lovin_It
Such a humnle person. I wish some of Americans learn from this. Denying Chinese to have NVIDIA chips has energized the humble Kai-fu's to create better ones. You cannot stop the Chinese, the gin is out of the bottle. What is great about the Chinese their enthusiasm to share it with rest of the world. Thank you Peter for being an exception.
More like keep the chips for Chinese use only to bargain for Taiwan or anti Trump uses.
Oh we can and will stop China and your war on democracy.
The Chinese do not need to be innovative, they just have to be good at copying.. and they are fucking excellent at it.. so all it takes is time, time for something new to come out and the chinese will copy and call it as their own
I don't think it is accurate to even say that the Americans innovate and the Chinese execute because it is increasingly clear that the Chinese can innovate just as well and they can execute too, while the Americans are getting worse each year.
You're right.
China is leading the world in AI by virtue of having the highest number of AI patents.
Silicon Valley of the US is ahead of China only in the production of advanced semiconductor chips which are used in the development of AI projects.
China is far ahead of other countries in generative AI inventions like chatbots, filing six times more patents than its closest rival the United States.
China leads the world with 38,210 inventions, far surpassing the U.S. (6,276), Republic of Korea (4,155), Japan (3,409) and India (1,350).
More than 38,000 GenAI inventions were filed by China between 2014-2023 versus 6,276 filed by the United States over the same period.
Chinese patent applications covered a broad area of sectors from autonomous driving to publishing to document management.
South Korea, Japan and India were ranked third, fourth and fifth respectively, with India growing at the fastest rate.
The reason why the Americans innovate is because China had suffered 100 years of humiliation(more like 150yr!) during which the country could barely feed its population!!
Ever read a book called The invention of China?
The US (West) are the greatest "propagandists". Believing propaganda is everyones greatest weakness.
Oh, absolutely-because we all know China is just waiting for America to come up with the next big idea so they can politely ask for the patent, right?
@@FunFactFreaks China has lots of good ideas that they develop into real stuff. You just don't hear about that in western media. But China can always turn a good idea into reality even if it comes from somewhere else. If you don't want to get left behind, then compete faster. Don't whine when someone crosses the finish line before you do.
BTW, America steal ideas and patent ALL THE TIME. The CIA literally runs industrial espionage against other Us empire vassal states to steal IP and data for US companies.
A Kai-fu Lee interview is always a good talk with take-aways. Thanks.
Amazing interview! Such a calm and strategic voice.
be careful kaifu, they already killed that stanford chinese quantum professor.
He’s just a Taiwanese talking head, no substance.
The Chinese are way ahead of US with quantum computer, why do American blame china for everything when it the US going around the world mass murdering people. You have a low iq.
@@MRT-co1sdTaiwanese?
what is this news? i dont know about it
He wasn't the only one. The other one was found "suicided" in California recently. I don't remember her name.
Many breakthroughs in the USA are driven by individuals born in China, largely due to the strong education systems in their home countries. The USA benefits from harnessing the advanced knowledge and skills these students bring. However, many of these students and their parents are often more focused on the prestige of the university's name than the education itself. Meanwhile, China is already surpassing the USA in innovation in areas such as artificial intelligence, 5G technology, renewable energy, e-commerce, high-speed rail, and quantum computing and communication.
According to recent report by incoming Secretary of State, China has attained leadership in 37 out of 44 critical technologies, www.rubio.senate.gov/rubio-releases-report-the-world-china-made-made-in-china-2025-nine-years-later/
Huge fan of Dr Kai Fu Lee forever! Kudos on jumping back into entrepreneurship. Thank you for your patience with "our parents" (borrowing from Peter's great analogy towards the end). Good luck in continuing to leave your indelible mark on the world of AI (your 40-yr old baby... or your love as you mentioned early on). Thanks for your sage advice. Blessings.
They Chinese are so humble
Thanks to Confucius for teaching that
Seems quite realistic as well. You can't shoot for the stars, but you can leverage your advantage which is low cost and hard work to compensate and get to where you want to go.
Too humble by KaiFu. I don’t think he wants to upset the Americans.
Be water my friend.
Yes that’s why we have taken over the world
Thank you Peter and Dr. Lee. 🙏❤️ This video/ interview easily saved me $20 billion.
Thanks, Peter. Good interview. Not all questions have just one correct answer.
When Kai-Fu Lee's first book came out I gave it to any computer science student that wanted it, and had trouble giving away a half dozen copies. I told all my programming students that in ten years they would not have a job if they did not get into AI or cybersecurity. Still, half of them just wanted to be game programmers.
such a great interview!! kai-fu lee is sharp as ever!
I am very confident that China would be able to lead the technology and science in the next 10-20 years time. No one in the world of anyone could denis what Chinese capability and abilities, which Chinese use to the Discovered and Inventory talented Nation more than 4,500 years ago in their Golden Age Era.
Zero chinese Nobel Price winners the last 10 years. In the US we have had 56 Nobel Price winners the last decade.
Stupid in some region they ignored Nobel😂😂😂 keep foolish my bro@@Mr.Monta77
@@Mr.Monta77btw they had 3 nobel prize check the google search😂😂😂
@ Oh I’m quite confident about who is the fool between you and me.
@@TKL95 China stole most of it’s technologies. Chinese have very little innovation power the last 100 years.
One thing the chinese are really bad at, is propaganda. Every day you guys vomit up the most absurd claims and nobody takes you seriously. Bejing propaganda is really very low quality. So naive.
I laugh at the naive chinese. You don’t even believe your own lies. But still spread them on internet and hope somebody will believe you. We don’t.
One of the two high level issues that broke Google was the performance evaluation system valuing papers. Papers are almost always negative value for the company, but a benefit for the author. The speaker gets this.
Historically, the breakthroughs come from the most advanced societies. Let's not imagine there's anything special about America when it comes to innovation.
And capital availability. China has both
No you are wrong Kai-Fu, America did not invent most things, and certainly not at the universities in America.
He’s just saying that to keep his US investors happy. He can work his Chinese workers hard but his Americanized AIs in China are getting left behind by the Chinese own and grown AIs just look at the performances of deepseek and QWEN. He told his workers not to innovate and just uses US universities research papers (who are by the way mostly written by mainland Chinese) to implement. He’s looking to capture $$$ and using the speed and efficiency of the Chinese to be one of the first in one of his projects so one or some becomes the next Unicorn to become the next billionaire.
You are so smart😂
@@realBlue2024examples with citations? Just the inventions at space x and Tesla alone: Tesla Motors has 3,442 patents globally, which belong to 1,139 unique patent families. Tesla also invented the Tesla Supercharger. Space x invented mechazilla and reusable rockets. These things are monumental achievements on top of thousands of others
Says the guy using youtube (also created by americans LOL)..You've done no research, go eat cheeseburgers.
a reusable rocket-powered vehicle is nothing novel from any other reusable vehicle or vessel, powered by any other motor
Thanks for sharing your interesting discussion Peter and Kai-Fu, I appreciate you and your efforts!
Wonderful conversation and such insightful questions and answers.
The Chinese is empowered by these three wisdom The Confucius Teachings Laozi Dao De Jing and Buddhadharma 👍❤️🇨🇳
Dr Kai-Fu Li always gives us great insight into AI.
Kazakhstan AI landscape is stunning
Great nation!
I remember when I was a university student 30 years ago, I learned the voice recognition model he published on the IEEE journals.
Conan O’Brien used to feature GE's voice recognition tech 25 years ago. What happened to that.?
Totally agree with Lee : PRC will lead in the area of AI and eventually will rule the world. That's for sure! 😌
no... PRC just work hardly to make products for the world. no interesting to rule the world.. 😂😂😂
No, China doesn't want to become a hegemony or the "world ruler". It's against Chinese culture and philosophy.
That is far from certain even though Xi will do his utmost to achieve it.
Maybe, If PRC can keep in power.
That’s a CCP fantasy. The world will boycott Chinese products and this will have a strong negative impact on China.
The Chinese war on democracy must be stopped.
Kaifu you are my Hero👍👍👍💪💪💪💝💝💝
Fantastic interview! An eye opener in various ways.
If Larry Page thought that the holy grail was a single correct answer, he is far from being as clever as I thought he was. Big Brother might wish to define search in that way, but I don't.
Hey, Google: What is the one correct way to cook an egg?
Google: Hire a five-star Michelin chef to ask each person at the table how they like their eggs, and have the chef prepare each serving accordingly.
Hey, Google: Holy smokes, that seems awfully expensive.
Google: The simplicity of one-size-fits-all does not come cheap. But if you like, I can sell you a universal IKEA flat pack which contains every known appliance you could possibly need to cook an egg any possible way.
Hey, Google: Will all these gadgets fit into my kitchen?
Google: If you have to ask, probably not. But if you like, I can sell you a universal private volcanic island with enough kitchen space to hold every kitchen appliance ever invented in the history of humankind.
Hey, Google: This seems to be getting more expensive, not less expensive.
Google: Okay, I get it. You've only got two bucks. Just boil the damn thing for four minutes (pssst, and don't tell Larry I gave you a second opinion, this is just between us).
Amazing expert who is humble and practical.. unlike the “innovative” egoistic folks in States
Its a battle between mainland Chinese and Chinese American lol
With the diagnostic centres, can you please build one in Sydney Australia?
Nice that you gave a nod to Deng Xiaoping.
Great interview. I do however strongly disagree that Americans are still best at inventing new technologies and Chinese are best only at execution. This was the case maybe 5 to 7 years ago but nowadays China is constantly out innovating the US in most technologies (any technology related to electric cars or solar panels, or wind turbines, or high speed rail, even space technology is being developed much faster in China). China's universities, especially those with stem courses, are rising very fast with China graduating from many time more stem graduates each year, while the US is having a crisis in getting students to show interest in Stem. Also more Chinese papers are cited worldwide than American ones for one or two years now. One just has to look at Huawei, Dji, Xiaomi, Byd, etc to see that Chinese have no issues out inventing the west.
Except for that GenAI still came out first in the US. And the fact that Nvidia is miles ahead of the next company. And SpaceX is miles ahead in reusable rocket tech etc
I think individualism leads to more break through innovations. Culturally China doesn’t lend itself to break through innovations, everyone prefers competing in established product/market fit. That’s not necessarily bad either as long as you can catch up quickly. Microsoft is a perfect example of that. China does really well with that as well.
China is leading the world in AI by virtue of having the highest number of AI patents.
Silicon Valley of the US is ahead of China only in the production of advanced semiconductor chips which are used in the development of AI projects.
China is far ahead of other countries in generative AI inventions like chatbots, filing six times more patents than its closest rival the United States.
China leads the world with 38,210 inventions, far surpassing the U.S. (6,276), Republic of Korea (4,155), Japan (3,409) and India (1,350).
More than 38,000 GenAI inventions were filed by China between 2014-2023 versus 6,276 filed by the United States over the same period.
Chinese patent applications covered a broad area of sectors from autonomous driving to publishing to document management.
South Korea, Japan and India were ranked third, fourth and fifth respectively, with India growing at the fastest rate.
You guys are still talking about implementing. Mr. Lee is referring to concept or ideas genesis. All the examples cited as China inventions are iterative improvements to a technology and no one can beat China in speed of iteration today. However theoretical stuff, China lags behind even small countries like Finland or Switzerland, I saw a pure research ranking list about a year ago, China wasn’t even in top 30, this has been echoed by Prof Yau Shing Tung in his keynote at Tsinghua University last year, he is basically China’s number one theoretical Math guy, Tsinghua University literally named the department and building after him. China has a long way to go before being able to come up with new ideas instead of making iterations of someone else’s ideas.
Batteries invented by Italian, EV invented by American, Solar panels invented by American, LLMs (what must think as AI today) invented by American, etc. This is what Mr. Lee is referring to. The majority of China’s STEM graduates, they are what we call Practical Scientists who are experts at iterations aka making things better or improving things while Pure Research Scientists most famous is Einstein, China is hardly producing any today as confirmed by Professor Yau himself. Prof Yau also stated it would take about 3 generations before he believes China will start being a Pure Research powerhouse at current pace and investments.
As for first hand experience, I’m working with a few major China Universities specialising in Agricultural Research. They are also excellent at iterations but are sorely lacking in Pure Research. They have also echoed the wish for more Pure Research in their fields but do not have the training and have put their hopes on the younger generation but don’t see light at the end of tunnel as for every thousand practical agricultural scientist they produce, they would be lucky to get one pure research agricultural scientist. I’ve had a few conversations with these agricultural scientists in China over the last few years on the topic.
@@WarrenKLiu
Singapore is the global leader only in the adoption or implementation of AI but is not even in the top ten in terms of the number of inventions in AI.
Singapore is leading in this area only in the 'intensity' and not in the 'scale' of adoption or implementation of AI.
‘Intensity’ measures AI capacity relative to the size of a country’s population or economy. Smaller nations like Singapore, Israel and Switzerland lead the ranking on intensity.
Singapore leading the world in the adoption or implementation of AI is analogous to Saint Lucia winning the Paris Olympics with two gold medals with a population of only 100000.
On the other hand, China and the US lead the world in the 'scale' of AI adoption or implementation.
Scale’ measures a nation’s absolute AI capacity, showing its output on the global stage - China and the US dominate here and not Singapore.
Kai-Fu is a hero.
Such a great guest and sleepy interview.
Enjoy kai conversations
You can think about China what you want, but that they "open source" llms and video generation for local inference is a great move 🙂
Timestamps would help your nice videos ❤
you should watch the video
@tuckerbugeater I did. You don't seem to understand effective video presentation.
Peter: as alawys a great Interview. Thank you!
Open source is one of the 2 keys I am looking for. The other decentralization. Without it, I argue there is no path the AGI. It would also go a long way towards aligning the US and China. The Bitcoin of AI🖖
Let’s keep in mind that his earlier projections suggested that China would be far ahead of the West by now. He tends to be overly optimistic about everything related to China.
SBGAI network ❤❤❤❤❤
good work, Kai Fu. thank you.
the split of development situation won't be changed/stopped until USA finally understands her hegemony can not be forever that a multilateral equal right world for all human beings on earth is what we human being needs.
US/China partnership. 🎉
I am busy working on the 1+1 algorithm for quantum computers. The code can run on a 486 CPU and still be effective. The mathematics are a new approach. This mathematics better explain or process the spooky effect that even Einstein could just observe. I can say I now know what it is and how to employ it mathematically in quantum systems but the problem is I don't have a qualification as a mathematician. I invent things in mathematics.
'single answ ' model.... often my questions aent focused enough and achoice of answes aka google is beneficial. so why should it fail?
There needs to be a way to stop them stealing intellectual property
Beside US and Chinese engineers and their creativity, how are Japanese and Europe fit in the future of any AI model?
What universities/colleges are driving the AI future besides Stanford and the business community?
Do think tanks will be important in some inflection decisions in the US?
Also, poweful people don't discuss ethics too much. What a point AI would a political issue?
Thanks.
Eric Schmidt recently said that " (the gap between) the US and China is within a year's time, everyone else is well behind." , source:v=AjgwIRPnb_M, 26:58
Does the “996” concept commonly followed in all Eastern Asia ie china. Japan and Korea??
In China? No. Only a minority of company mainly in tech follows that work schedule.
japan and korea is well known for 996 , just look at subway station in japan lol
Well done, thank you.
Peter, can you please add a green bar on the sections that are promotions or ads as per the TH-cam policy. I don't want to report the video. Thx
Just hit skip like a non douchebag would.
Kai-Fu Lee is confident in his belief that training data is the real source of the AI's superpower, just like sunlight is the source of Superman's powers.
Here comes Deepseek which is far more ambitious. Not to be so fast about Chinese only good at from 1 to 2
Would be interesting to know what's the business model of the AI search engine. How are they going to make enough money to survive?
it will replace the massive basic labors and some middle labor s ……
so Chinese AI experts like Kaifu will be the next Nobel prize in BS?
While can we not be able to use google installed directly in Huawei device, how can you guys solve this problems?
A wise man speaking..
Wow. Great interview.
Thumbs up, Kai-Fu.
Great interview. But on another note, too bad their stock market trades at a massive discount to GDP.
Low margin.
Great talk! But 996 is NOT work ethics. It is EXPLOITATION.
You have to take everything through the lens that this is an information campaign to sway your perception of their country
Interesting, thanks!
AMAZING👍
My invention came from German lagnauge that is why I want to open a startup microchip company there.
"Single Answer Search Engine Results": NO! thats is the wrong aim, the wrong mindset.
People want options
If it can give you a single most correct answer it can give you as many relatively correct results all you need to do is ask
Chatgpt shows us that concept is correct
not everything needs or has options to choose from. imagine you search: is Wayne gay....then google pops up the leftist or rightist view about the subject that has nothing to do with you
Unfortunately he says it this way because we live in a world of alternative facts, thanks to maga.
He's not saying we should limit choice when there are more options, just that when there is an actual correct answer, it isn't included with a bunch of opinions or conspiracies presented as facts.
I think he sees your AI learning your interests and preferences and giving the best option for you. And I'm willing to bet he also envisions you being able to set your preferences in a way that provides you with more options, in the right context for you.
i had been using beago didn't know it was by kai fu
Eu preciso do video liberado para traduzir, Peter.
One or two generative AI companies is still better than none like the EU. Last I check these AI companies were pretty good too
Google’s Gemini is already giving single answer search with no ads. Is it trying to cannibalize itself?
Just want to put it out here: Kaifu Li is known as a 大忽悠 (big liar) in China as he talks a lot but hasn’t produced anything significant after he left Google.
一大批人跟随李开复的理念 ，创立了自己的初创公司 。
Nothing after leaving Microsoft
The culture is important. These types of things are non-existent in Africa. Yet we do try an align ourselves but then the leaders drag behind. Slowing process in Africa because the Minister are actually chosen to bring the virtual world together.
Both US and China (and maybe India soon) will lead the AI world to the next level.
China has a very strong work ethic But I just think that US is far better at providing opportunities to individuals (with great ideas) to rise to the top. That’s why we see more new ideas from US and it’s more fun to work in US system. Just my personal opinion !!
Great show! As Kai-Fu sort of said, Google will fail to shift because it's bound to happen. Hasn't IBM done that?
Very nice video and interviews with this Chinese business man 🎉
I am confused, there is no genAI at the moment and OpenAIs may be a dead end. Why do the Chinese think they lay behind?
That’s what a great job of India CEO
Mr Lee doesn't look well😢. His face tells a story. Hope you are well ❤🙏.
Hi, this is my own idea, window must come out version .2 smart phone , to win Google and apple, and must all free apps to win , Google and apple! The smart phone must be around the same price of this 2 company!
Great presentation! Funnily I do the opposite of what Lee said haha. I sometimes say thank you to AIs, but not please.
Google doesn't focus on 1 thing they have multiple different markets so it won't go down
Fro the comments here why is China classed as a developing economy when it is more advanced than America?
Cutting edge researchers those making breakthroughs are in lab environments too busy for interviews. That being said no breakthroughs like transformers yet and thats been so long.
Hey buddy you might want to do a video on dr chris mcginty founder of the mcginty equation he talks about Ai holographic quantum computing and zero point energy and Healthcare.
Interview could not start in a poorer way than saying "I was impressed by work ethics and the infamous 996" like it's a good thing for humanity!
996 is not normal in most companies in China. It is normal only in Internet related industries.
This is the difference between Western mindset, and eastern.
West: Buy buy buy, huge debt and inflation~ yes more, more.
East: Let’s find a smarter way to optimize our systems to work with budgets.
Will he take AI 0.1 generate data by this guy in China to USA?
996 concept still doesn't fit my logic for long run working
When the entire wotld is moving in the same direction, as a united human family, disunity, may possibly be the most unsolvable problem with the world.
Kai-Fu Lee is an employee of see eye ai.
I think Americans is taken in the context of the access of 8 Billion people who are attracted into the US academic system whilst the Chinese pertains to a population of 1.4 Billion indigenous to China, discounting Taiwan Chinese. So the culture or civilisation of the Chinese has to do with this Chinese propensity to innovate and down stream to execution. And 5 millennia is a big advancement to another of 3 millennia which defines the West.
I was waiting to hear how to deal with AI impact on jobs, but the host kept on interrupting the guest - before breaking into an ad about his skincare products? (Sigh)
Could your genetic data be used for purpose other than health care?
Nice
Great program. Excellent guest. Alphabet is too big to turnaround
why are you after google? what political game are you trying to play this time?
I'm rooting for China just as I'm rooting for the USA -- does anyone who currently has their kid on antiobiotics due to an infection that Alexander Fleming was not Chinese? However, that stated, if you really care about this us vs them contest, China is at a disadvantage -- simply because they are not as free market capitalist as the USA in technology. The most capitalistic area of enterprise in the USA is the technology sector, and that's why there is such fast growth / innovation /etc. China still pretty repressive, maybe not on the economics side, but on the social side -- this repression actually hinders their potential.
i disagree with Kai-Fu Lee with regard to the west and application eco-system. The eco-system will take of itself because it is a freemarket. Whilst I agree with him with regard to winning with regard to productivity and achieving targets and goals, I didnt know until now how much China regulated AI. This coupled with the export restrictionsd the US have on AI (iincluding chip tech) will definitely be a huge obstacle for China to overcome in the AI race. I think perhaps to huge. Great interview though.
The new book The Bubble That Broke The Bank will deal with the coming structural unemployment in 2026. The new golden horde of AI workers will replace the non-Ai workers. This new labor force will have historic implications and lead to business owners using cheaper AI workers.
I don't agree , China don't have the AI hardware, US already in the peak of AI dev, Hardware and Software. While China have limited Datacenter for AI Training, only available GPU is A100 or limited H100 AI training. While US already have multiple H100 AI super PODs, and Future HGX B200 . China is too far from Gen AI development.
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@@pisablavatsky-cb3dd It seems you are the Joker :) That is the only thing you can reply.
@@pisablavatsky-cb3dd China IT Giants are only Copycats.
Hahhhaa…republic of China makes all the chips you mentioned
@@vincentwong1477 A100, H100 B200 HGX200 TPUV4, TPUV5 DGX B200 are the only Gen AI Chips capable of Generative AI Training, all are banned to sell to China. .
Why is this video plagued with ads when Peter is already super rich. Big decrease in quality of the podcast
Google has no tangible assets.
I think, even Huawei can't win this smart phone technology!
Could you elaborate on what you mean, I really don't quite get what you mean?