THE PANZER OF STEAMS WILL HAUNT YOUR DREAMS - Empire vs. High Elves - Total War Warhammer 2

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  • In this Total War Warhammer 2 multiplayer Empire vs. High Elves match, the Panzer of Steams Will Haunt your Dreams as an Empire Steam Tank unleashes its fury against a Phoenix Guard core and a Prince atop a mighty Star Dragon!
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  • @Th_Bo_RbRN
    @Th_Bo_RbRN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +388

    My time has come.

    • @jordanpacheco7207
      @jordanpacheco7207 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      The prophecy foretold this moment

    • @Laskofil
      @Laskofil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Not enough steam.

    • @Parra_Parra
      @Parra_Parra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Where Elector Counts cried

    • @arlissmith2446
      @arlissmith2446 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Ah you’ve arrived steam tank lord

    • @chosenofkhorne2951
      @chosenofkhorne2951 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It shall be back bigger stronger and faster

  • @JanJansen985
    @JanJansen985 4 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    The sad part of that phoenix guard that died in the opening volley is in the lore he knew that was his fated death

    • @anonylemon9823
      @anonylemon9823 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Thousands of years of academy training, wasted...

    • @celdur4635
      @celdur4635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@anonylemon9823 Its not his first fight guys...

    • @anonylemon9823
      @anonylemon9823 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He could have fought in many more if he wasn’t turned into paste.
      It’s even sadder if he was the veteran of a hundred battles, only to die instantly from a cannonball fired by a tank gunner on his first mission.

    • @zeraith
      @zeraith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not many people seem to get what you mean, Mike. Sad thing really xD

    • @carcotasu081
      @carcotasu081 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@anonylemon9823 It doesn't matter if he could've fought more battles and whatever. The Pheonix guards that died knew how they would die. They were prepared for their fated death.

  • @harlek1149
    @harlek1149 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Empire, suffers from power creep.
    CA “Enjoy your war wagons!”

    • @milkandcookiesTW
      @milkandcookiesTW  4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      war wagons are definitely trash, but Empire isnt really struggling with power creep, they match up quite well vs New World races in both campaign and mp

    • @InternationalAwesomeFoundation
      @InternationalAwesomeFoundation 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@milkandcookiesTW Well, not all war wagons are trash. Black Lions, unless they got nerfed since I last checked, are pretty goddamn badass.

    • @JustSome462
      @JustSome462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Tbh, Archers and Huntsmen are amazing in campaign (The former are incredibly cost efficient and the latter can be boosted by Huntsman generals giving them range almost on par with HE archers) so i'd say that more than makes up for War Wagons being the meme they are

    • @giovannigio3764
      @giovannigio3764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@milkandcookiesTW I think the main problem remains that the infantry of the Empire is to weak. With a not to high leadership. The purpuse of infantry is to hold the line so you can deal as much damage as passible with your damage dealing units.
      Because you can't hold the line for to long you must deal as much damage as passible in a SHORT time. Mortars are good but to make sure infantry dies really fast you need Helstorm Rocket Battery's. Beside the archers even High elves Phoenix Guard will not survive for long if you have 2 pieces of this most deadly anti infantry artillery. The High Elves will always be stronger than the Empire but not there artillery. Tested it in multy and singleplayer.

    • @giovannigio3764
      @giovannigio3764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @pokezee king-wolf I'm like tactics but sometimes it's also fun to play with a m8 who can hold the line and if you know how you can arty everything with high values, from small to big.

  • @zacharysain8516
    @zacharysain8516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Ggs man, those mortor shots at the start really had me thinking I’d loose, I’m just thankful no hellstorm. Was fun playing with ya.

  • @GumshoeClassic
    @GumshoeClassic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Our enemys hide in *METUL BAWKSES!!*

    • @thatonepsycho5157
      @thatonepsycho5157 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Da Cohwardz! Da Foolz!

    • @GumshoeClassic
      @GumshoeClassic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      *CIINDRYYYY!!*

    • @jimbob4447
      @jimbob4447 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      THE COWARDS! THE FEWLZ!!!

    • @jimbob4447
      @jimbob4447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      York the Ork *SINDRIIIIIII!!!!!

    • @hallo-mt5tx
      @hallo-mt5tx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      BALD AND FEWLISH

  • @fatcatlocatedinahat962
    @fatcatlocatedinahat962 4 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Other people: wet dreams
    Me : steam dreams

  • @Guaguadeath
    @Guaguadeath 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I like how the steam tank boi has just unofficially become a legendary hero on your channel Indy. you have a mighty follower for your doomstack now lol

  • @blaster23456
    @blaster23456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I like how those Archers literally lost 80% of their morale in one volley. Kind of reminds you that on the High Elf base infantry are militia on an isolated island. They probably never even seen a mortar before, much less take a volley from one.

  • @spaceemperorspar4791
    @spaceemperorspar4791 4 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    We all know who we’re here in the comments section for

  • @Xeeno87
    @Xeeno87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    Where's the Boi who memed without protection when we need him?

    • @milkandcookiesTW
      @milkandcookiesTW  4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      He Is Here

    • @Guaguadeath
      @Guaguadeath 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      hes right below you lol

    • @TheTermen8ter
      @TheTermen8ter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He is in the Steam Tank protecting the memes

  • @sevenayashinedown1283
    @sevenayashinedown1283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good call out on that move on the elyrian reavers threading the needle, at 6:15. That micro was just sexy and is why light cav can be quite good that maneuverability is top notch.

  • @raitar9457
    @raitar9457 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    There must be mods that add Volkswagen loggo to steam tanks

  • @arlissmith876
    @arlissmith876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    I seem to be too early, the steam tank guy isn't here

    • @dodadongo7410
      @dodadongo7410 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      He’ll be here soon, he’s felt the disturbance in the Steamforce.

    • @tanks608
      @tanks608 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He changed his Icon/name so i dont know who he is anymore!

    • @bagofsunshine3916
      @bagofsunshine3916 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tanks608 It's Th3_Bo1_ R3b0ŘN

  • @jozefkeresturi2139
    @jozefkeresturi2139 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That bait with the Reavers was beautiful .

    • @zacharysain8516
      @zacharysain8516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jozef Keresturi thanks man I try

    • @zacharysain8516
      @zacharysain8516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jozef Keresturi thanks fam, I didn’t think it was too shabby myself

  • @sirunklydunk8861
    @sirunklydunk8861 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    The steam shall forever be memes

  • @georgereynal4335
    @georgereynal4335 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yes! You’re still making videos! I used to watch all of your shogun and medieval 2 videos, these are amazing. I’m going through every one I’ve missed 😂

  • @PAPride95
    @PAPride95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I feel like the one thing that screwed you the most was the death of the Jade wizard. If you still had those heals, I think you could have taken this one, even with the grim reapers that were the Phoenix Guard.
    Great game overall; always fun to see a Steam Tank wreck shit.

  • @ksanbahlyngwa1998
    @ksanbahlyngwa1998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:50 actually it's Italian (Tilean) engineering according to the lore.

  • @talscorner3696
    @talscorner3696 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That flanking shot at 5:37...

  • @nathan6239
    @nathan6239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "sun's out gun's out" XD

  • @propagandalf9511
    @propagandalf9511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    **GHOST DIVISION STARTS PLAYING**

  • @theswagonborn4164
    @theswagonborn4164 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You could not have timed this better, Indy!! I was in the middle of writing some fluff for my Empire's Lustria tabletop campaign when I got the notification! Thanks for the inspiration my man!

  • @mphylo2296
    @mphylo2296 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That dragon and the phoenix guard sent those manlings running for the hills

  • @pjadtron9415
    @pjadtron9415 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sexy Steam Sensation. ;)
    Good video mate, love the frequent uploads! You spoil us too much aha.

  • @arcanos4167
    @arcanos4167 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know this is overused and all but it freakin' fits!
    GOTT SCHÜTZE DEN KAISER!

  • @picklethesaurus4930
    @picklethesaurus4930 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That tank isnt like other tanks, it has... STEAM CANNONS

  • @charlesman8722
    @charlesman8722 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    “Most popular race in game one”
    Vampires: Am I a joke to you?
    Also dragon... Apex predator?? *laughs in dread saruian*

    • @jakandaxter1
      @jakandaxter1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He said most popular not coolest

    • @Aredel
      @Aredel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      *laughs in Dread Saurian getting stuck on 2 models.*

    • @jacobringer6384
      @jacobringer6384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      >implying a star dragon wouldn’t canonically rip a dread saurian to shreds

    • @primarchstar2087
      @primarchstar2087 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      *roars angrily in Carnosaur*

    • @matthiasdecker6877
      @matthiasdecker6877 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You do realize vampire are not more popular than the empire right? I mean there are multiple polls on reddit and ca official forums, and there was once an ca employee give us the number the campaigns started for each race, all of those empire was far ahead of vampires

  • @scarletphantom6403
    @scarletphantom6403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dang fams, last time I was this early Sigmar was still Emperor!

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "YOU ARE THE FOOLS! GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD!!!" - Stroheim

  • @magnushaveland2526
    @magnushaveland2526 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You may have your faith, steel and gunpowder humans... But did you think it that easy, to break the will of the proud Asur!

  • @ivynbean
    @ivynbean 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wish the volley gun from empire was actually good like in table top

  • @destroyerinazuma96
    @destroyerinazuma96 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good game!

  • @zorkwhouse8125
    @zorkwhouse8125 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If they could mod Warhammer 2 for Middle Earth stuff, that would be incredible. With the addition of magic and flying troops and individual characters. Would be wild. This is pretty sweet too, but I just finished watched that new Silmarillion era total war mod and its stirred up my interest in Middle Earth again...

  • @rubz1390
    @rubz1390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting, Dahv says the only halberts that are worth it are Black Guard, Temple Guard and Zombie Deckhand Polearms.

  • @miguelmontenegro3520
    @miguelmontenegro3520 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is here. The mean meme flank steam tank.

  • @goop3388
    @goop3388 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Poor Elf 10:23 looked so lost

  • @Kitek94
    @Kitek94 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:02 that bird has a big pee pee

  • @sertonetix
    @sertonetix 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone has the name of the first music in the background ?

  • @pierothebest1
    @pierothebest1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am waiting the video on the 3 Vs 3 we did last day, if I don't get wrong it was high elf empire tk Vs dwarf Liz vamp coast. You said you would upload that one 😊

    • @milkandcookiesTW
      @milkandcookiesTW  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      gona be honest mate, i have no idea what game you're talking about lol

  • @mch5546
    @mch5546 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonder how many centuries till empire manage to win at least once

  • @captaintrainer9490
    @captaintrainer9490 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh! Steam-Stank lost?
    You just lost Elector-Privileges

  • @insultinsultan705
    @insultinsultan705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    >zachbsain playing as the High Elves
    Im sorry Zach, ur goin in the BÖÖK, elgi LOVER

    • @zacharysain8516
      @zacharysain8516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You turn on me so frivolously. Your name is now in the book

    • @insultinsultan705
      @insultinsultan705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@zacharysain8516 I'll shave your great great great great great great great great great great great GREATGANDFATHERS GRANDSONS beard for such is the punishment of E L G I L O V I N
      Yer in the Book again!

  • @raynightshade8317
    @raynightshade8317 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    should do subcommader and have one of the player commanding a Panzer Battalion

  • @hawkshot867
    @hawkshot867 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did try a max point, max size game with my brother using nothing but handgunners, Katyushas, and steam tanks vs. a Bretonnian crusade. Not only was it stupid fun, but it was also stupid effective, but still a loss for the ww1 empire build lol

  • @geofrog10
    @geofrog10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know what a good empire counter to this build would look like? I feel like this is a pretty common high elf comp and I almost always end up struggling to get rid of the phoenix guard and/or the dragon. I get that frontline infantry will almost always be basically just a roadblock, but it feels like I can never do enough ranged damage before they get runnover. My strat is slightly different than Indy though. I usually go pistoliers instead of mortars as an extra armour piercing tool to deal with the dragon/halberds and just try and get into their archers with my cav as soon as possible.

    • @milkandcookiesTW
      @milkandcookiesTW  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sunmaker, Hellstorm, or Hellblaster volleygun could be very useful for killing the phoenix guard. probably drop the reiksguard, get a 2nd demi halberd, drop the mortars, get an artillery piece aforementioned that can kill armored infantry. but thats only if you know the Phoenix Guard are coming, which you dont. just part of the build roulette. Pretty hard to go wrong with Karl Franz + Deathclaw, but he's overused and I wanted to do something different

  • @Dom_1130
    @Dom_1130 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You wanna know something I’d really like to see? A list video ranking all of the Generic Lords from TWWH2, worst to best. Pls Papa Indy?

  • @conagherdenson2194
    @conagherdenson2194 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a question indy. Do you and your opponents talk on Voice Chat of any kind during a battle or is it dead silence and concentration?

    • @milkandcookiesTW
      @milkandcookiesTW  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      we talk a bit, but yeah its mostly concentration until the battle is over

    • @zacharysain8516
      @zacharysain8516 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We’ve got some nice banter but once things get going you just hear a lot of clicking and swearing from both sides lol

    • @conagherdenson2194
      @conagherdenson2194 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zacharysain8516 Sounds about right

  • @HiddenEvilStudios
    @HiddenEvilStudios 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You beat me to the comment about master melee combatants with centuries of expertise under their belts being blasted to kingdom come by artillery fire.

  • @DuanorTRGamer
    @DuanorTRGamer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello good sir. Care to share your graph settings? Thanks in advance!

  • @Thongger
    @Thongger 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    MY ROAST IS RUINED

  • @davidzhu3215
    @davidzhu3215 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question, why didn't Indy target the Phoenix guard with his mortars initially? I feel like although mortars are a hard counter to archers, that's mostly because they are stationary targets that stand behind the main battle line, allowing the inaccurate mortars with their excellent arcs of fire to accrue huge amounts of value without the risk of friendly fire. However, none of that really applies in the opening stages of the battle, when the high elves were advancing. Phoenix guard are by far the most dangerous ground unit in that game, and firing at them would've been much more valuable. Not only would it drop unit models, but could've also removed martial mastery from 1-2 units before they even engage the front line, making the empire state troops last that much longer, and allowing the mortar more time to fire on other value targets, like the archers. You see initially that the first huge volley took down an arcehr unit to 1/2 hp, but only lost 6 models in total, despite being a perfect hit. This means that the archer unit was still at over 90% firing capacity. Unit HP is much more relevant in melee infantry and things that depend on martial mastery. That's just my two cents, however.

    • @peterschneder2592
      @peterschneder2592 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mortarts do badly vs heavy armor. And Phoenix guards are very heavyly armored.

    • @SamGlaze
      @SamGlaze 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bad ap value?

    • @zacharysain8516
      @zacharysain8516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They have bad ap and no magic damage, pheonix guard have 100 armor and 30% phys resist. It could have been the correct play, but with me being able to earthblood them i doubt it tbh, it wouldn’t really kill their models and so they’d just get healed up, I’d have most likely shot the archers with them as well

  • @KevinWildes2024
    @KevinWildes2024 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    PHOENIX GUARD!!! BEST UNIT EVER!!!

  • @chocoboreinhardt3926
    @chocoboreinhardt3926 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    @milkandcookiesTW all this d-day references? you been watching saving private ryan?

  • @mr.nightmarephantom2753
    @mr.nightmarephantom2753 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Today is empire days. sigmar

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    High elves are the favourite Game 2 faction?
    Are people playing high?

  • @seanw1186
    @seanw1186 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo does anyone here know that shaven guy Stalin wants to discuss tactics with them

  • @paperbagperson5634
    @paperbagperson5634 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lets get Steamy

  • @quasar2834
    @quasar2834 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The steam tank was made by a Tilean right? Doesn't that mean it's a miracle of Italian engineering instead of German?

    • @DehJarlorNoob
      @DehJarlorNoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, and by a guy named Leonardo da Miragliano. So yeah, italian engineering at its best

    • @Five050
      @Five050 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They're both fantasy races you dorks lol

    • @jedyzichterman358
      @jedyzichterman358 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Five050 fantasy raced based very heavily upon real world locale🤣

    • @ethans7588
      @ethans7588 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To be fair, they would all be technologically illiterate without the Dwarves.

    • @DehJarlorNoob
      @DehJarlorNoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Five050 Italians and germans aren't fantasy lol

  • @Prushinthespirit
    @Prushinthespirit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whoever is responsible for balancing this game, should probably re-think his life goals.

  • @sobgray
    @sobgray 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    what mods are you using?

  • @terrencew.pringle1065
    @terrencew.pringle1065 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Das Auto"

  • @lasoroustepes308
    @lasoroustepes308 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What happened to the steam tank fanatic that spoke with unholy zealotry about steam tanks that he commented on every video , I miss him greatly :(

  • @PhilosophicallyAmerican
    @PhilosophicallyAmerican 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As hard as those Phoenix Guard blend infantry, why would you ever take Swordmasters with their lower Melee Defense?

    • @milkandcookiesTW
      @milkandcookiesTW  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      cuz they were doing that to Spearmen and other low tier troops. If you're going up against mid or high tier heavy infantry, Swordmasters will do a much better job

  • @ashina2146
    @ashina2146 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rice Guard

  • @gingerfever691
    @gingerfever691 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    EMPIRE TECHNOLOGY IS THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD!!!!

  • @saturnrock35atyahoo
    @saturnrock35atyahoo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much does he usually use for custom armies?

  • @article1372
    @article1372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    empire suffers because you choose suboptimal stuff
    go full katyusha on them with helstorms and their front line will be no more

    • @milkandcookiesTW
      @milkandcookiesTW  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hellstorms definitely good here yeah. but battles would get boring pretty fast if people built "optimally" every single time they played. experimenting and trying different strats is half the fun

    • @article1372
      @article1372 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@milkandcookiesTW I know Im just teasing. Obv if I could do flame cannon and Irondrakes with half my army I would. But the dream just turn into an annoying nightmare because everyone else builds optimally, and all my friends dont own the game
      stay safe though, Im relying on your content to not go mad from boredom ;)

  • @josedasilva6885
    @josedasilva6885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    gg

  • @getgladnotmad4680
    @getgladnotmad4680 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imo I’m more a fan of temple guard than I am of Phoenix guard

  • @LAYOTAM444
    @LAYOTAM444 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    High elves best elves, along side woodelves i feel like a kid on hannukah

  • @ROBERTJMKLSDM7Q
    @ROBERTJMKLSDM7Q 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Humanly possible
    ...
    Funny

  • @dabbedyet3357
    @dabbedyet3357 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    no more ovn?

  • @mediocregang9223
    @mediocregang9223 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a similar graphics card but my high elves and other shiny units have this awful shimmering effect.

  • @Inquisitor_Redacted
    @Inquisitor_Redacted 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like your army ran out of steam.

  • @SilentMorbus2
    @SilentMorbus2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    sadly high elves are stupid broken,good match man

  • @MarcGruenauer
    @MarcGruenauer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First doesent matter but first XD

  • @SniperLumChannel
    @SniperLumChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:50 You mean Tilean enginery, steam tanks were invented by Leonardo Da Miragliano. (nice to be proud about a fantasy thing)

  • @D-Z321
    @D-Z321 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you write a script for this content? 😂

    • @milkandcookiesTW
      @milkandcookiesTW  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      usually just some notes before hand

    • @D-Z321
      @D-Z321 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      milkandcookiesTW sounds well done 👍

  • @Eric-wu5ue
    @Eric-wu5ue 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like the empire need a more knightly infantry unit like unmounted reiksguard or knights

    • @atbht
      @atbht 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kinda feel like the empire should have troll knights or some kind of armored troll warriors. Was reading about ways the empire used trolls and was thinking that some of the more intelligent trolls most likely served in the empires military as a kind of shock troop. I think it would be cool having some monstrous infantry for the empire.

  • @naenaeman5810
    @naenaeman5810 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    fam you never win L