Use Your FX Loop!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2020
- I've been wanting to share this video for some time. It's amazing how the same stomp pedals you've used for years sound completely different going through the FX loop. Hopefully I've given some ideas to you to get some great tones you didn't think possible with your current setup.
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I think a lot of people here want a full video about your parrot 😆
Darn right!;)
Man, that bird is beautiful.
The biggest difference to my ears was that EQ through FX-loop. That on sounded really aggressive and tight compared to straight in. That was some good sound.
Love how your inner aussie came through pronouncing flanga(flanger)
Great tips. I put my delay in the loop years ago because of Steve Vai. He pointed out that a natural delay is an echo of the sound coming from the speaker. So the closer to the end of your signal the delay is the more natural sounding it should be. Delay the amplifier, instead of amplifying the delay.
Thanks Anthony for teaching us the right way to hook up pedals correctly. You do an amazing job of teaching on your channel. Thank you man.
You are one of the king of tones on TH-cam. The tones you get from your amps are always awesome especially the DSL
I run a MXR 10 band eq through my effects loop, i highly recommend it, sounds absolutely crushing through the FX loop. Life changing.
Agree 100%.... I have one thru my dual rec....no need for a cheesy overdrive pedal
I think it depends if the amp you are using. My 10 band eq was plugged into the fox loop at first. Not a big difference. Once I plugged it between my pedals and the front of the amp, now I have a variety of sounds. BTW, I have a peavey classic 20 head
I've heard that it doesn't work so well with some amps but I run a Randall RG150 G3 and they go together absolutely perfectly. Plus I also slam a Maxon Od808 into the front of the amp, perfection.
I’ve always ran my 10 band in the effects loop and it sounds a lot more dynamic and fuller than it does through the front of the amp.
I'm a big fan of the EQ in the loop just love the punch clarity of it. It's like mixing a natural tone on top of a chainsaw tone the best of both worlds.
Underrated video, very valuable and informative.
It took me a long time to figure this out. This is a very well done informative video on this topic. Thanks.
I agree that the EQ sounds really good in the loop! Some of that might be due to the fact that the original EQ shape through the front was a subtle mid-boost while the EQ shape in the loop was a prominent mid scoop. Anyway, the EQ in the loop seems to sort of mimic what the Mesa Mark V does: a real tone sculpting tool! Thanks for the insight!
Nice comparison to the Mk5, maybe after I try an EQ in my FX loop it will stop me wanting one 🤣😂
so whats the right position in the chain of eq/delay/reverb into fx loop?
EQ in the loop!!!!! I learned long ago how much of a useful tool it is. Glad your sharing such helpful knowledge! Be careful with signal boost if the eq has it.
Brilliant. What a great channel! I couldn't do without my EQ regardless of what genre I play. You're tones are always on the money.
when are we getting a review about that cute little green birb?
LambChopper! Always makes my day when you post videos!! I always run my pedals in front of my amp.. But I got to stop being so lazy and try something new! THANKS
Thank you. I find that you take an unbiased and real approach with these videos. It sure did sound worlds apart focusing the fx thru the fx loop. I never fully knew precisely how that worked. Im trying to get a handle on running my behringer fx pedal maybe thru my laptop. I have powered speakers. I have been learning to use N track studio software. It seems there is a wealth of guitar patches online if i can get that up and running.
I recently discovered your videos and I am addicted right now. They are so good. Down to earth and every single detail of the signal chain explained. This is so great! I discovered the same with the EQ in the FX Loop with my JCM 800. I am looking forward to using 3 EQ´s: On before, one after Distortion/overdrive, one in the FX Loop - and play around with it based on the style of music and guitar. The one in the FX Loop is the most important one from my point of view and was a game changer when I was trying to find my Metal sound. Thank you!
Couldn't put my finger on what I was doing wrong...couldn't get the sound so many times. Watched many videos, watched settings....Then this video! After seeing this, I kicked my self in the but hard! Thanks for sharing, saved me so much time before I figured it out. Well, if I ever did...
perfectly timed video, i just got an eq pedal for my 5150 and couldn't decide where to put it, until i saw this video
Ok, that Testament sound is spot on!!!
I have a similar setup (I use a 2x12 rectifier cab and a MXR M108 10 band EQ) . The use of an EQ on the FX loop was a game changer and with the 10 band EQ I can put the volume slider at minimum and with that I can also increase the volume of the amp, giving more saturation on the tubes of the preamp. The sound is amazing with reasonable (room) levels even with the amp with volume at 9 o`clock.
You answered everything! Killer video \m/
Wow A great idea to try!
its fun to look back at you discovering your eq breakthroughs.... there was a time no 10 band or para lived in your loop! crazy!
Great and informative video! Came across your channel from your Hard Lines Sunken Cheeks cover (which was pretty much perfect btw) and subscribed after watching your other content, keep it up 😃
Soo damn glad you put this video out! I have same delay over drive pedal and head. Never was quite sure how to hook a pedal up to it and what pedal to use in the loop. My sounds a lot more “professional “ sounding. I knew exactly what you meant by that.
That was the justice tone like.... When you cut the mids, sounded spot on
This was really interesting. Thanks 👍
great video....tried it and i got a great huge sound out of my combo 1x12 amp .... never really used any effekcsloop before but now im hooked ....
great playing and good info. I just started using pedals for my mesa RA and have it set up like you do with four cable noise gate, boost in front and eq in the loop.
very well explained, thank you👍
I run 2 10 Band Eq’s with the rest of my effects, and a SD Pickup Booster through the FX Loop. I have 2 Modified Peavey Bravo Amps with Mercury Magnetics Transformers and Birch replacement Speaker Baffles, with Carvin/ Eminence British Series Speakers and I found my Holy Grail Tone. Cleans are as good as any Vintage Fender, and Overdrive or Metal sounds amazing.
Awesome
Thank you! I learn a lot things with you and your partner. Take care M8 \m/
You definitely raised my will to buy another eq haha
I bought some old rack gear, $50-$150 max. So like the dual channel eq, one is loop, one is front, most of them are stereo, so I just do a chain. Left is front, most off or very little, right is loop, some off, most on and pivotal.
Dbx 2x15 eq
Dbx gate/comp/limiter
Bbe maximizer (on fence)
Ada mp1 with pedal
Lexicon ms200 awesome effects
it's so cool with the parrot : )
Always enjoy your videos! I've been using just a maxon od808 in front of evh. Especially using passive Duncan's (distortions) in my V I find myself using lead ch 3 a lot also with boost. Perhaps it is the emg fan in me since early 2000s lol idk.
Dime used a flanger doubler too Had to get myself one an old DOD fx flange. I dont have two amps tho. but the DoD is stereo . I had Dano fish & chips in the Fx loop but took it out because I wasn’t using it. I’ll have to mess that more . Fn Slayer👍🤘
I run my GE-7 (7 band EQ by BOSS) in the loop too. Sounds great, I use it as a solo boost though, so the sliders are set to boost the mids as well as a slight boost in volume as well. I also run my modulation effects (delay & verb by TC Electronic, the Flashback 2 and Hall of Fame 2 to be specific) in the loop as well.
Interesting, I had a tc hall of fame and sold it back before I started using the loop. I’d love to hear it now
I really prefer when you use your real amps.
I prefer the ...justice tone of the Marshall Dsl20hr, but that EVH is awesome as well!
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘🇵🇹🎄
EQ in fx loop is killer too
Great video
I am doing a end of year vid. Giving your channel a shout out
I can tell that my Boss BF-3 Flanger sounds more natural when I run it into the front end of my Mesa Mark 4 instead of the loop. Just my personal opinion which maybe depends on amp type etc.
Very useful video anyway 👍🏼
Yo thanks
I think chours is alot more natural in front of the amp. But in the fx loop i think it sounds more clean. Now with the eq i think if you use it for a boost Clean boost, mid boost, high boost ect, its best in front or to help feed back it will distort those levels you boost. But if you want your tone of your amp or to change, it works best and its alot more powerful in the ex loop imp
08:28 to clarify :
- EQ in front of the amp will shape the distortion character : tighter, flubbier, beefier, fizzier...
- EQ after the amp (FX loop included) will shape the overall EQ curve of the amp : boomy, scooped, mid heavy, etc
only 12k views? TH-cam is full of muppets!
great work choppers!!!
An eq sound way but way better in the fx loop. Boss metal zone in the fx loop. And many more.
❤mxr10 band x2 n bbe sonic stomps w eqs
Love your carrot😍
Then you should see his potato. It's amazing
Brother try the whirlwind 10 band eq pedal from sweetwater or wherever, its an awesome eq...comes with power supply too
I just bought an EVH iconic and the EQ on the amp wasn’t that effective so I ran my EQ200 through the FX loop, it’s the first tube amp I’ve ever owned and I just assumed that’s were the EQ pedal went. It made sense to me because my last set up was just a Powerstage200 with a Preamp pedal, I always put the EQ, delay and reverb pedals after the preamp. I was kind of worried I was doing it wrong on my tube amp but I’m glad I seen someone doing it that way on TH-cam.
how was your previous setup with the powerstage and the pedals?
@@paintaway2349 The iconic is really loud even on low volumes so I still use the Powerstage200. It sounds heavier now, I added a Plumes to my board. I use a noise gate, the plumes, an Empress Heavy and an EQ. It sounds chunkier after I added the plumes.
@@isaacvasquez4401 thank you man
Chorus pedal also in the effects loop man....I believe its sounds way better just like the eq pedals....I have the mxr 10 band eq in the effectsoop of my 100 watt dual rec and its unbelievable man....you dont need no overdrive thats for sure...
Bdother put that eq pedal in the effects loop and it'll make your any amp a brutal flame thrower....going into the front of an amp does absolutely nothing but raise the volume....
I’m clueless as to the tech side of guitars and amps, but I like the sounds.
Pardon me for the off-topic comment, but I envy you dressing like that in December. It’s cold where I live...(I’m sure there are places much colder than this, but still...)
Haha its summer out here, actually it’s summer all year round in North Queensland
Can you talk about what is the best order for the pedals?
Chorus in the front seems to make the tone thicker
The Boss NS-2 Noise Gate pedal has an FX Loop integrated, does it make a difference to run it through this one instead of the FX in the amp like you did?
My amp has a active eq (peavey 3120) should I use a eq pedal in the loop to tighten up and add some more bottom end even though the eq is active?
A lot of people hate the Boss Metalzone, but if they had heard it used as a preamp into the effects return, I'll be most of them would've had a different opinion of it.
parrot is fantastic
06:39 MXR 6 band EQ V shape in FX loop
Great video! Thanks for doing it. That MXR EQ looks very cool. Do people ever use a noise gate through the FX loop? Could that be done to that help kill some of the amp noise?
Absolutely, I’ve switched this up after this video. Some guys had some great suggestions to incorporate the NS-2 which worked really well
@@LambChopper678 That good to know. Thank you! I will try that out as soon as I get a couple more cables.
I own a 2018 Marshall MG50G combo amp. I just cannot get a good metal sound out of it. One problem (besides the amp) is that I cannot raise the volume much, as I live in an apartment complex in Japan, where noise is easily heard from other apartments (and sounds horrible through headphones). Anyway, I tried using my MXR 10 band EQ in the effects loop with the scooped settings, and it made a SIGNIFICANT improvement. Not perfect, but much better. I have also been using another 10 band EQ (scooped settings) in the front of the amp paired with an MXR distortion pedal (prior to watching this video), which has also significantly enhanced the sound. Again, not perfect, but a decent metal sound. So, I just wanted to thank you for the suggestion. It made a positive difference. If you ever get your hands on any Marshall MG Gold combos, I would be curious if you can achieve similar great metal tones you’ve demonstrated. Thanks, again!
You should get a Boss Katana amp.
Which pedal is better for fx Loop
Dear Mr Chopper, any chance of teaching your lovely bird how to headbang?
Great video...and beautiful parrot! :) Do you find that using the amps FX Loop always seems to adds some extra hum to the sound!? I always get that extra bit of hum and because I manily use clean sounds I just stick to doing it the easy way using the front end!
Not really, the eq pedals hiss a little when you push frequencies too hard but the loop itself is quiet
Thanks for a straight forward vid. A 2nd eq you definitely won't regret imho. Also have you tried that boss ns-2 running with 4 cables? Like the standard in->out in front of your OD; and send->return jacks routed to the amp's fx loop in front of your fx pedals? Does it work better for you with your gear, or you'd rather stick with the simple in->out routing? Cheers
Thanks mate, I never thought of using the ns2 like that. It’s cool we can appreciate the nerd discussions. Thanks, I’ll let you know
@@LambChopper678 no worries. Haven't tried it myself apart from digital world of emulation with 2 noise gates. That noise suppressor with an onboard loop afaik is 2 in one solution basically. The in-out jacks are best to deal with clean signal from your guitar, while, when used at the same time, send-return are best with high gain. The pedal does some magic trickery differentiating noise levels of your clean guitar and amp's (preamp, pedal, whatever placed there) gain stages, thus allows to almost eliminate unwanted sound cutt-offs
I changed it all up to try out the 4 cable routing so it cuts noise for the loop as well. I really like it and ties the whole board together. Great suggestion!
@@LambChopper678 , great to hear mate! 🤘
What power supply do u use.
Do you use all mar pedals
So an EQ pedal in front of an amp would be more for boosting whereas in the FX loop is more for tone-sculpting?
That’s right 👍🏻
@@LambChopper678 I have a diezel vh4-2 pre amp distortion pedal . Should that go in the effects loop or in the front of the amp? Currently I have it in front but I'm not sure if this way it's combining the preamp Marshall distortion along with the pedal and I'm hearing a blend of the two instead of just the character of the pedal.
@@allboutthemojo Feel free to try it through the loop, just start with really low volumes so you don’t damage power tubes. Some distortion preamps sound awesome through the loop and others are better suited to the front end of a clean channel.
@@LambChopper678 thanks!
@@LambChopper678 one more question. Hopefully you can provide your opinion. I play at home. Have a dsl 1 watt head and an orange ppc112 1x12 V30 cabinet. I had a dsl 20 but it was too loud to play at home. With the 1 watt Dsl head , I'm not getting that fullness in the tone, especially the low end suffers. Is the only way to get big sound at bedroom volumes to buy a bigger amp like the 40 watt and then either use the master volume to bring it down ( channel volume turned up) ? Or just use a power attenuator like the Bugera power soak? Since you have these loud amps at home and mic them up for such great tone, how do you do it? My question is assuming I don't want to go into a computer using two notes or something. I just want to jam with the music without disturbing others but not sacrifice tone.
What is the Amp Mic Running into? Do you use Studio Monitors? Where does that room sound come from?
I’ve got an audio interface connected to my Mac which I run my mic into. I can hear the live sound coming from my guitar speaker though I prefer listening through headphones to what my Mac is capturing through the microphone.
I guess it’s a little overwhelming when you first try and get your head around
Flanga’z!
Do you recommend noise suppressor pedal? Useful video btw. Thanks.
I do recommend it, the NS-2 is my favorite. It’s part of the tone and helps pick bursts stay sharp and focussed
@@LambChopper678 thank you, already got it weekend and love it. Thanks again.
Hi I was wondering how you power the pedals going through your FX loop versus pedal board and also if it is ok to run multiple pedals simultaneously through the effects loop. Thanks.
All the pedals are powered by the mxr brick with 8 x 9v outlets and 2 x 18v outlets. Works well for me. I read reviews from some people saying it’s really noisy but quiet for me.
You can run multiple effects at once through the loop just like the front end.
@@LambChopper678 I’m very confused, somehow I play entirely through the back of my amp. I plug straight into (guitar > pedal) my pedal board which is then stuck into the send on back. I guess it means my knobs are useless on the amp but for whatever reason it’s never sounded wrong to me? I run a compressor > distortion > chorus and it just works, am I missing out on sweet tones?
I've got a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe that has a pre-amp out/power-amp in. Am I right in assuming this can be used in the same way as an effects loop?
Yep that’s it
@@LambChopper678 Figured as much! Thank you, sir! :)
May i ask you to do some video on children of bodom or alexi liaho songs like lake bodom? Thanks a lot 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Killer riffs I had a parrot Double yellow head Amazon he very smart sing and talk Lol I bet I’d yours could talk would lay out killer bird riffs Lol
All the same man like the playing I have a 5150III Ivory 50 watt head and cab to there killer amps
6L6 lay some great bottom end that’s why I like them and take pedals very well
Quick question for ya. Does your white 5150 head fit flush on top of the 1x12 Mesa mini rec cabinet?
Nah it’s too wide, so is the DSL
@@LambChopper678 - thanks for the reply! In that case, I think I’m gonna go with the new EVH 5150 III LBX Stealth.
I’m having a problem with my Marshall dsl 20 I have a boss ge-7 eq through the fx loop and I’m using the foot switch and when I turn on the fx loop on the foot switch there is no sound I was wondering if you new what was going on
Sounds like one of your guitar cables is no good. To check each cable one at a time just plug the cable into both ends of the loop to complete the circuit and see if there’s a sound loss or no signal at all.
That’s always a good way to troubleshoot what’s going on. Test both leads and then check the eq making sure you go from send to input and output to return on the eq. Let me know what you find 👊🏻
@@LambChopper678 I’m a dumbass I put the cables in the wrong ports sorry for wasting you’re time
@@thrashercentral1792 😂👍🏻
If you would power all those toys with a Mesa Boogie Strategy 500 you would be blown away.
Sorry if I come across as a noob but what’s it do that the mxr dc brick doesn’t? Is it filtered better??
What guitar is he using? Thanks.
Charvel So Cal
MXR
whats the name of the Parrot?
Ollie
Can we get a parrot video
Is your Eq. Parametric or graphic i believe .. ?
An eq with sliders is a graphic, an eq with rotary dials is parametric. They do function and sound different from each other.
What kind of bird is he?
Bro, the MXR chorus is unfortunately catastrophic in the loop because it eats up all the sound. The buffer is crap. Test the pedal in the loop then remove it, you'll see :(
Sure mate, I'll check it out cheers'
You might've already got this comment, but those solid pedal couplers you have are apparently not great for pedals. Since they're rigid, when you push down a pedal, they can put stress on the jacks, and will eventually break.
learn how to tone my guitar... and how play in front of a parrot
And take two extra leads to the gig? Keep dreaming pal
Haha I was exactly the same for years
Sorry, but scooped mids ala AJFA just sound awful.
Mids are where the ANGRY live!!!!
For example, Jerry’s tone on Facelift & Dirt is way more aggressive than any Metallica tone ever! (RTL an exception perhaps)