Nio ET5 Touring trip to Alvdal in -25°C
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Genuinely sad if you stop doing the 1000km challenge. Already miss the Arctic Circle trips, so losing this other big part of your outstanding content will be a shame. You are one of the very few that actually drives the cars long distance, that lives with them, through their flaws and/or virtues, which provides the experience that enriches your opinion, since we all watch you go through it. Really value your input, the way you've been producing EV content and testing them sets you apart from all others. Sincere thanks for all the hard work!
1k challenges are cool, but not necessary, you get a pretty good impression of how the car will fare on shorter trips like this. especially for norwegians I think the realistic long trip consumption numbers for really cold weather like this are more interesting and useful than the mostly repetetive 1k challenges.
Where did he say this? I checked the whole video but didnt find it.. Would be really sad! I really enjoy these, since it is helpful for selecting a car.. personally I liked the leaf and the V2G possibility but the rapid gate issue keeps me from buying it
Of course I won't stop doing 1000 km challenge. But the problem with Nio is that battery swap needs to be done during opening hours which is betwenen 7 and 22. And the route via Sweden is 20 minutes slower because of landslide. Another problem is that I have already done 1000 km challenge with almost the same car (ET5). There should be a limit of how many 1000 km challenges I actually do. At least a bigger battery, faster charging curve or something else should trigger a new test. I have seen in the past that people are less interested in 1000 km challenge if another car which was almost the same has already done it before.
As for Arctic Circle trips, these trips takes two full days. As long as I don't want to stress too much, the trip starts early morning the first day and I often arrive really late the second day. Now that I have a 1.5 year old daughter and my wife is pregnant, and we recently moved to a new house which requires lots of stuff to be done, I simply can't go to Arctic Circle. In the future when I have more money I can hire a babysitter. But this won't happen anytime soon as you also know the financial issue I have with the new house.
@@bjornnyland I understand Bjorn, thanks for your reply!! I understand with the swapping stations it is difficult. I already was scared. I really enjoy the 1000km challenges, I even adviced people who were into buying an EV with data from your tests. So they are really valuable!
@@bjornnylandthank you for replying, I understand now the comment on the 1000km challenge. Your content is awesome and valued, thank you for all the hard work you put into it.
Nomi was listening to your criticism of Nio pilot and made the appropriate changes 😅
1000km challenge and artic circle trips are the best of your content please never stop doing them
You misunderstood. Just because I said I didn't want to do it with this car (because I already did it with ET5) doesn't mean that I will stop doing 1000 km challenges.
I can just underline your statement that I‘m also loving the ET5 Touring ❤ Amazing car 🚗⚡️
I recently went for a test drive, and I must say I loved every aspect of the car except for the price, the lack of a frunk, and NIO's battery leasing strategy. If I purchase a car, I want to feel like I truly own it. I know you can pay the extra price to own it 100%, but for me that price is way too much when compared to what you get from the competition.
@@TAD-9 Which other EV competition can gives you battery swap? Instant upgrade of battery power with small rental fee? Tell me.. Nio deserves that pricing becos its the one and only. There is no competition. You want 100% own its? Battery rental is better becos Nio can help monitor the battery health and just a 5mins swap if your battery goes bad. No other competitor can offer that. They will charge you $50k if you want to swap to a new battery and warranty runs out. and a 2 week wait without EV becos their battery swap can only be done in their factory with lengthy process.
@@zenden9 battery swap is an unnecessary luxury that just makes everything more expensive than it has to be. I currently own a Model Y and would never pay extra for battery swapping. It's extremely unnecessary when the car charges as fast as it does.
@@TAD-9 when your battery degrades and something happened. You will know battery swap is not luxury but necessity. And when Nio 150kw battery really put into service , all u need to do is upgrade your rental fee. And getting a full 150kw battery still takes the same 5 mins with a swap. Your Tesla model Y will forever stuck with old mileage and degrading battery. Good luck.
@@zenden9 battery degredation really isn't an issue. Tesla tried battery swaps and the data showed most people didn't want or use it. I'd rather own my own battery with 8% degredation at the end of the 8 years of warranty than to be stuck paying NIO 200 dollars every month for the rest of my life.
Exact same food as we get in the Army, Bjørn! God fornøyelse!
More tests with these temperatures is so informative and useful to see how each car performs at these freezing temps.
-25C feels like.
Snow kruick kruick,
Nose hair stick inside from freezing
Inhaling make you cough
Car seat becomes hard
Tires harden and keep their flat spot for a while
Shocks are tuned to extra sport
Power steering pump skweals
Sounds are differents, more crisp.
Alphalt is ''white'' and slippery.
The last one is incorrect. The colder it gets, the better grip I get on the Nokian tires.
@@bjornnyland I am speaking of traction direct on asphalt, not on hard packed snow.
I agree that cold snow and ice have higher traction the colder it get.
Great report! Yesterday I wrote a post in the NIO-App about the (for me) strange behaviour of the ET5T with the oszillating power consumption in ACC. And today I saw your video :-)
Is this power fluctuation happening in eco mode as well? I'm just wondering if it is the front motor powering up and down. I think in eco mode it should be turned off completely, and only used for braking.
@@peterdonath6578 I will check this next year :-)
@@stevefivestring9383 Thanks, I'm |-| this close to buy one. I'm really excited.
Bj©rn 😊 is an customer guide par excellence like always 👌🏿
I enjoyed the video because it looked like you were having a good time. Like the experience was more than worth it. All the best Bjorn.
Yay! EV station wagon!
I liked the look of the ET5 estate when I first saw it ... very similar to my previous Jaguar Sportbrake estate
Absolutely love this estate car!
You make it real.....💪
I somehow love to see you stay overnight in the car in Folldal. This is the special content I am looking for on your channel.
Not possible nowadays.
I like the wheels and color scheme on the car also.
Oh it’s a beauty😍 better than most German cars
True
It ist designed in munich, with parts from China. So the Same as all other German cars
@Just exterior and interior
I've always been interested in investigating the natural wonders of the beautiful town of "Cleavage." 😊
Finally! This is my favourite electric car so far. I couldn't wait to get a station wagon on the market. I hope the other manufacturers will come out with theirs, too.
Good video.
The feeling driving it is of course important but the long time ownership is of course more important ( I think)
Niobjorn
You are a rather funny Testpilot. 😄
Very Nice
Finnaly some NIO Love from TB 🥰
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I have seen it back into the a PSS in one go with new software. I also have seen display on (and fan on) with new software.
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Good e-wagon and swap is the future...
I'd love that car! But we got an IONIQ 5 6 months ago...
Also, nice self-dox 😅
1000 km challenge, PLEASE! ❤
Every time I see a thumbnail with this in, I think it's the new Model 3 lol.
Cool car & cool vid. I wish more Chinese cars like this made it to the U.S.. Right now, we just have Volvo/Polestar which are priced pretty high. Both BYD & Nio I think will do well here when they are able to make a showing.
Wait till the trade war ends.
"Bad stomach from GAS station food" 😂😂
When its very cold it might be the halo Ionity chargers coldgating an unusable toutch screen.. I have been driving when its very cold recently, and those chargers are not happy when really cold. At -29c they did only 30kw . The telsa chargers beside provided 150kw , but had to fight the almost unbendable cable😅
Love to see a comparison of the cold camping consumption with the other cars. Normally you put it right in the video?
I wanted this car because the price was supposed to be amazing. Then it turned out you have to rent the battery pack or pay 12k up front, making it at least 20k more expensive than a model 3. So I guess it's going to be the Highland after all!
Nio is also much more expensive than Tesla in China.
Model 3 cant compete with this in terms of quality.
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Hi Björn, can you speak about Tesla strike in Sweden? So that it get noticed by large group
When I tested the ET7 last winter, it felt like using a video game controller, the steering was so numb. Actually, a good force feedback wheel would be better. Hopefully this has been improved by now.
Great video! I have to agree, the station wagon format is just brilliant. I honestly can't wait to see the new Audi A6 Avant when it comes. Audi is slaying in the design department like always!
Nio has recently released an automated Nio pilot power swap OTA in China. The car can now self drive off highway ramp, back into a power swap station, and then drive back on the highway after the battery swap is completed. See the video here: th-cam.com/video/hViy0K1Ucfs/w-d-xo.html. It has English subtitles.
@9:32 it looks like the car was going to drive you off the road, not sure if it's just due to the camera angle..?
Bjorn would you choose Xpeng g9, Hongqi HS9 or Nio for comfort and best soundproofing?
My MG4 no longer slows down in corners on ACC
I also like station wagon and not suv.
We need more cars and less suvs on the roads
sold at the "manual pre heating option"!
in cold weather, charging is extremely slow and difficult, so battery swapping makes much more sense
But most other cars with preheating like Tesla, Kia, Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Polestar and Porsche gets full speed...
This is the old pack that is very shitty. Came out in 2019 and is based on bad tech. The new 75kWh pack and the new 100kWh pack is a lot better.😀
But I thought battery swap was superior and that you will always get the best battery tech? Now it seems like you buy a brand spankin' new car in 2023 and as soon as you swap it, you lose the nice battery and might get a 2-year old battery from an ES8.
@@bjornnyland however the suffering will not last as long, per NIO power consumption efficiency, lol
@@bjornnyland The idea is to never need to care about the battery health. And Nio said after about a year there will only be the new 100kWh pack available. If you are afraid to loose your new car battery in swapping stations you can always just buy the battery.😊
The idea behind Nomi is actually fantastic. Most cars having voice recognition are so impersonal and dull, Nomi is a welcome change. If you are into voice controlling your car of course. But if you don't like it, please know that Nomi on the dashboard is a 600 euro option. If you do not choose the cute display, you get a RGB LED halo type thing instead. You gave Nomi a pair of headphones, so it cannot hear you.
This climate test is a very cool one. The car is really nice, and 22 kWh/100 km in minus 24 degrees is not great but also not very bad. Nio has some work to do to make their cars more economical. I experienced -20 degrees once, it was doable having good insulating merino wool undergarments and a wind-proof jacket. Having good insulating gloves, shoes and a scarf is essential.
Was it not possible to turn off the lights and the screens for the camping mode?
Lights should turn off automatically. Screen stays on.
Hi Bjorn, I am comparing Xpeng g9 performance to Nio EL6. Which one would you take for family car with children?
THX Atti from the Netherlands.
The NIO feels more polished, but the Xpeng is cheaper. It's a close race IMO, and depends on what you value.
I prefer faster charging time rather battery swap in the Netherlands and while traveling in Europe.
@@Hunman79 In that regard the Xpeng wins. IF you have 800V chargers. Otherwise, I'm not so sure.
in cold weather, charging is extremely slow and difficult, so battery swapping makes much more sense
27:09 the Tesla is so dirty in the back, like it's got some kind of diesel exhaust in the back
I’ve driven a lot of NIO’s for my work. They’re lightning fast, comfortable and have loads of features as standard. Charging is cool too, although the patented battery swap is realistically kind of shit financially. Unfortunately it’s no match for the reigning elite, especially the Germans, in my eyes anyway. The NIO autopilot is ridiculously bad. Lane changes are horrific with the cruise control on, and there is loads of “ghost-braking”. It also has emergency stopped for seemingly nothing 3 times in the year I drove them. I think NIO looks stunning (apart from the weird camera’s up top) and they can really get far. For now though, I would not get one over a german alternative…
This is true for the European Nios as they had to re write a loy of their software for the European market. When you look at reviews from the Chinese market the Germans never have a chance in any test, because over there it is the other way around.😂 Give them a few years and they will both be good.
Then, the BMW i5 should match your requirements (comes with level 2+ autonomuous driving, handsfree til 130 km/h)... Next year also available as touring.
@@Lucas-wp2phexactly. The same for the garbage we get on tesla in europe vs whats going on in america 😅
Europe is so far behind in software with the bs rules here😅
@@Bud_TerenceTested this one here in Finland. 93000€ for a wery plastic interior and slow rwd. For 53000€ it would have been a nice car. For this price it was a POS
Well, ofcourse you can go German. Thing is tho if you go for Merc, audi or bmw, you will have to pay much, much more than Nio for the same equipment level. The germans are in my oppinion lagging behind. Outdated software, plastic interior with piano-glossy-black sticky, dusty panels.
Have you ever had an EV that stopped working in the cold? My e-up! manual says the HV battery will shut down at -27°C Of cause it has no heater so you should "wait until it warms up". That would be "fun" if that happens.
I would guess it meant if the Battery gets to -27°C it shuts down, which could happen to cars without active Battery Thermomanagement like a Nissan Leaf, don't know if E-Up has that.
Bjørn, how about a thorough review of the startup Fisker Ocean?
Delivery to norwegians have been going on since September and you did a timely interview with Henrik Fisker, sitting inside the Ocean, back in March 2022 at Barcelona I think it was. That was the reason for my resevation and later on, ordering!
Isn't it now a good opportunity to consider your first 'real life' testing, or is there good reasons to wait some further time?
I'm still waiting...
@@bjornnyland Might be a moot point soon as things are not looking good for Fisker. They've failed to make their most recent quarterly earnings call and filings, and two CAO (chief accounting officer) have rapidly quit one after another. Company might not last much longer.
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Wow, compared to a Model 3 this Nio "säuft wie ein Panzer" (drinks like a Tank).
You did a Test with a Model 3 in even colder weather and longer. Model 3 used 1,95kw/h or 3,1%/h (9:20h 29% -25°C)
and this Nio sucked 4,2%/h (4:16h 18% -22°C) although it has a bigger Battery it will last less long and if it would have been heating as long as the Tesla it would had even higher average consumption because the Battery cools down and it can get less and less (to none) heat from it.
Has anyone with NIO tested what happens if you block the eye scanner with some tape or something?
Yes
NIO just signed their first external battery swap deal with Changan and their fleet of various EVs, and more to come. So here's my wishful two cents: Maybe the potential battery swap collaboration with Mercedes Benz (rumor) will mean that more battery swap stations, NIO-Power-Branded or not, will appear on these IONITY lots, and that'll help advance EV adoption immensely.
Your new “studio” is a bit echoey. Are you gonna put more stuff (rubbish that “surely will come in handy someday”) into it or some sound foam on the walls?
Yes, already mentioned many times before.
@@bjornnyland thank you for your hard work!
Bjørn pls stop eat shif food from gas stations/fastfoods. This isn't healthy in a long run. We need u to live long to know what car is worth buying :P
Real Turmat is level up from crap food :)
Very good movie BTW. Keep it up
It's not like I eat this kind of food every day. Or do you think I'm on road trips every day?
Why is it not on 2.2.0?
Because this is the software that came with the press car.
18% in 4hours in -25 is quite a lot... If I am stuck in winter on motorway in the traffic with 30-40% of battery it might be problematic. Maybe not in Norway where you have 50 stations every 10km you can roll to one haveing 1-2% but in Poland where you have 1 every 50km...
If you were stuck, you would probably lower the temperature in the cabin from 21°C to 19°C. It will make a huge impact on consumption.
So why this mediocre charging - is it because this is a used battery/swapped or because of the cold ?
Cold. It affect a lot of EV.
For me, I need to pre-heat the battery for an hour at those temperatures to get max speed, looks like he pre-heated 30 minutes before
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Do you still think taxis don't put extra wear and tear on batteries?
If they change to 100% if they don`t… no matter what the usage is.
@@haukionkannel Most new taxis in the north are out around the clock waiting or driving. The wait is a big background variable as it means that the car must be kept warm with energy from the battery and nothing else. They normally do not carry extra heat with them. And of course fast charging makes it even worse. Waiting in car queues with the heat on is also usually the reason why electric cars need to be towed. And a fossil car will also need to be towed/refueled if it has to sit idle for hours to keep warm. Taxi means that the car will wear more in relation to mileage. Possibly good service can compensate.
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Mileages are not important in EV, the charging cycles are and it does not matter if they charge the car for driving or waiting!
If only Stormberg sold to the US :(
What did kid want?
The Germans had better wake up and start making wagons again... Offering sexy wagons is a great strategy for the Chinese to tempt German customers into Chinese cars! And once Germans get used to the idea of driving Chinese cars, it's going to be hard to get that market share back 😬
Maybe the market for wagons is no longer as strong as it once was, especially for electric family cars.
I am sorry I've been to the Nio Hub Yesterday but the car just don't fit me. I'm not a small Guy but not huge either, 6 ft. I just could baringly get into it and out again. So this car has no Chance in Europe IMHO.
I'm 6ft as well and own a et5, fits me nicely if I move the seat back and lean a bit backwards. It all depends on what you're used to i guess, i don't like how upright i sit in an SUV
@@madass88 To sit inside is no problem but to get in and out is just uncomfortable. No car for me. :)
I really like your advertisment. its just funny.
It's perfectly integrated into the video, you don't even notice that it's an advertisement. This is what advertising looks like! Great sponsor....
The Nio Voice is just horrible. too much.
Calls on $NIO? I bought the stock at $4 a few years ago and sold at $37.
Only problem with the car is that it's a total rip off of Porsche Taycan Sport Turismo with that backend. Everyone will know it's a cheaper Chinese version of the Porsche variant.
-25°C and EV = määähhhh
No problem at all.
I can't stand these modern interiors with screens that look like an after-thought rather than being properly incorporated into the dashboard. It looks cheap!
It is designed this way because it should be easy to upgrade down the line. Nio have designed their evs for a servicelife of over 15years. This is why German cars are different they have 2 year warranty for a reason.
Agreed, but legacy dash would have no practical use--the screens are all backlit and visible even with sun glare. Same goes for doing away with buttons--easier maintanence.
There is a school of thought that says electric cars are more efficient when the power is pulsed in that way. Could that be what is going on?
Don't attend stupid schools.
No, pulsing is less efficient. That is basic physics.
The only downplay for this car is that it is Chinese made. Knowing, what the Chinese government is, I couldn't never trust them...
At least they are not pumping out resources from Africa and bombing civilians around the world. And we have no problem buying cars from these warmongers so why would we have a problem with a friendly nation like China? This mentality that you have is a sickness.
Nio has the worst finances of any of the major chinese manufacturers... i saw a ranking with about 10 companies... not sure they will be around for long... maybe they get bought out by saic or something
Icon and graphic looks like a cheap copy of the leader but functions are there the legacy ice automaker will have to get going China is coming …
It honestly boggles my mind how inefficient Nio has managed to make their cars...
Any idea how that is even possible?
Because we're hitting fat e-tron levels of inefficiency... in a smaller, lighter, more aerodynamic car!
The Tesla experience is so seamlessly that make other EVs look dumb.
Ignoring the error in your grammar, what is so seamless about the Tesla experience? Definitely not their customer service, or more specifically the lack of customer service. I have to use the Tesla app for all communications? Silly. How Tesla originally designed the Model S for battery swapping, then backed off?
IMHO, battery swapping is just idiotic. It must have some wear on the connections or bolts or whatever. And there will be issues with sand, snow, salt.
A good charging infrastructure makes much more sense, because it will also be accessible for all cars.
I charge when I can, just stop, plug in and do a 10 min break, and continue driving.
"Charge when you can, not when you need to."
You mean better grid, good luck with that and your 1200kw charger
You can still DC charge a NIO if you prefer waiting. The new 100 kWh pack charges quite fast too. Battery swap is an option and in many cases it makes sense instead of waiting. I am not sure if 10 min charging break will add that much range in all real world conditions even with increased charging speed.
One guy in China swapped 1400 times in his es6, travelling over 500 000km. China has much colder winters than what we have here in the Nordic countries.
maybe your reply is the same and the reality is that you are not just understand the whole tech at all.
It could be the best thing ever, I'm not going to buy a Chinese car.
Can you be more specific with how far it can go
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