An idea for a video: try to negotiate with Nio if you can make a video of how the system works underneath and how the separate batteries charge there, as well as what would happen in case of emergency and you open the door while swapping. Could be interesting for some people
In the Swap Station 3.0 trailer, you can leave the car before it swaps and then after the swap is completed, it will park itself into a parking space besides it! Sou you could theoretically get some food while swapping.
If you represent or can contact NIO, do remember to let them know Bjorn's feedback regarding the cars' zig-zag and +/- move, and let them fix it. It's very precious feedback from him and should be handled in time.
The swapping technology offers many advantages on the long term: - Makes EV ownership easier for people without access to home chargers - Reasonable solution for long trips with trucks, trailers, etc - Less ultrafast charging improves battery life - More homogeneous use of existing grid capacity - Removes customers anxiety about battery degradation - Flexible use of different battery size in one car - Swapping stations may be more compatible with the existing petrol station network than supercharger parks ? - - Unfortunately only NIO pushes this technology forward, could be a similar mistake like legacy automakers made not to invest in supercharger networks. -
@Bjorn is it possible to add a column with charge total times? I think a lot of people would find that really useful because it speaks volumes of the "untold story" behind every test. It also helps people with a different "journey profile" better relate to the tested cars and put rest times into perspective.
In complete agreement. This is what i thought was the next metric where the competition should go as the top contenders are already there where charging time is starting to become non-issue. It's more about charging stops and what amenities are available at the stop - vc, cafeteria, small food shop etc.
I really love the Nio's, i own a Model 3 and tested a ET7, but unfortunately in Denmark they're so expensive. Model 3 LR and Xpeng LR same price, then ET5 with 75kwh battery is €15.000 more.
Why do they have opening hours at the swap stations? I mean the idea of swapping batterie, makes the cars able to compete with ice cars, but not if you can’t do it all hours of the day.
That is weird, I always though Bjorn went faster than the speed limit but the same as in every car, this completely invalidates the 1000 km challenge if he isn't consistent on it
It's 2:57, you can see the time on the display in the car at the charging station. An average speed of 160+ with this consumption and range would be great.
Regarding the 12v, at 11:20 it looks like the iR LEDs on the steering did remain on during the entire process. People with claustrophobia may not enjoy that battery swap experience. 26:56 I guess you triggered it with "Hey-Niway" 😁
My assumption is, Auto drive correction is more of a threshold setting. auto drive primary using off line mode are setting a larger threshold for correction so it move less. But for Nio, X peng are using auto drive with 4/5G infrastructure by default and using the offline mode as degradtion mode for compensation lacking of infrastructure support, hence the allowable threshold is not really tuned and can be used as scondary inidcator the auto drive is on degrade offline mode.
Some thoughts about the swapping procedure. Basically I think it’s a genious idea and shortens the total spent time on the trip, but I doubt this sytem will work with lots of more swappable batterie cars out there and only a few crowded swapping stations available. The waiting time will eventually be longer unless they increase the amount of stations. As an EV driver I actually enjoy 15-20 min brakes now and then. But this is a good alternative, though.
This video is nice example that swapping is pointless. There are only few NIOs in Europe and had to wait for the swap. As a driver, you have to be all the time present, so you have to do your stuff (food, toilet, shopping, etc.) afterwards, which costs time anyways.
I still think building a proper infrastructure before offering swappable cars to potential customers is crushial. It wouldn’t make much sence charging swabbable battery cars with standard chargers - that would ruin the whole basic idea and the swappable battery station provider wouldn’t make money. Therefore in order to sell these kind of cars they need to invest a huge amount of money into the infra in order to convince customer. This consept is born too late.
@@Shaolinof36thChamberyou really think thats bad, try waiting in line at a full tesla charging station. i had to wait 2 hours just to charge at one. id rather wait for battery swaps
5 to 10 Minutes faster as a Tesla for a high monthly battery leasing rate and only if you have swap stations everywhere you need them. Yeah. Very good. o.O
@@Lucas-wp2ph For me a Hyundai/Kia would do it. Question is: Is there enough demand for battery swap if you only save some minutes? Who needs this say 30 minutes for 1000 km? Most people wont drive this in one day. Maybe holiday once in a year. But for that you need swapping stations on your way to Croatia or wherever you want to go. With the new batteries like the 3C batteries in the GAC Aion it gets worse for battery swap for this leasing rate.
@@stoapfalzrunden4150 Is not just about saving time, but about not owning the battery. Being able to Upgrade the capacity and accordingly with technology developments. Besides, less cost upfront
@@valanz_ Time will tell if that will happen. Will a 6-10 year old car get a better battery to "upgrade it with capacity and technology" or not? We will see. I'm inclined to the view that they will say "sorry, not compatible with the old car/tech". If that happens it was only a cheap advertising promise.
I was once driving as passenger with my old CEO and he drove exactly like this car on auto steer… but he was the one and it gets me freakin mad after 3 hours 😊 so this car just imitates driver with the right pocket money
@@nakfan ~169eur for the 75 kWh and ~269eur/month for the 100kWh battery. Thats the cost of renting the battery instead of buying It but It has limited swaps, only a few each month (2? Im not sure right now), after those 2 you pay extra for each swap. If you buy the battery (70k eur car instead of 50k one) you dont have access to battery swaps.
Conclusion; if you are in a hurry, for maximum 4 times a month, and need to travel 1000km a day on a route where there is a swap station, and there is no que, and you want to pay a lot extra for that, and you can and want to hold your pee for very long, this is a good car. 😊
However it's Chinese and will log al your data and listen to all the things you say, probably backed up by some serious algorithms. Unless the CCP magically disappears, i would not recommend anyone to buy a Chinese car of these kinds
Hi Bjorn, at your second stop you mentioned that you had used 47% battery, but didn't you only have 90% battery when you left the first battery swap station? Great videos.
So for a 9 hour drive, you save around 10 minutes compared to Tesla, with the battery swap. And you cant leave the car while its going on, so most people then need to go to the toilet, buy food etc. outside of that - so in real life you will prob. not save any time compared to a Tesla.
NIO really needs to look at the design system of their battery swap and have it drive in from one side and drive out of the other. None of this back into B.S.
It's easier to park in a tight spot backing in there instead of straight driving. In order to have a good alignment for in and out without backing you need longer distance at the entrance and exit. It's like side parking, while you can make it without backing up you will need more space to set the car straight.
That is already possible. They have placed a few v2 swap stations in that configuration in China but the closed back is usually the way to go as it saves space and the swap station can be placed pretty much anywhere. From underground parking lots to TESLA supercharger stations etc. Closed back is more compact and the logistics are more practical in most cases for the time being ^^.
The problem for NIO is now the sale in China plus overseas countries are crap. Money kept ingested without any refill from poor sale margins. Let's see how long it will keep on hold since survival is the 1st thing NIO needs to concern now.
I don’t think you can make it much faster, even if just BS, if there were a lot more of them, at the right distance between them. As if you only Bs, you would have to stop to pee, eat, etc…, so that’ll be minimum of extra 5-10min if you rush it (normal people on a trip/family, may stop for then 20-30mins)….
Exactly, if you drive with a family you will never make it under 9 hours unless you drive at an average speed of 130-140 km/h at least. Me and my father drove for about 2000 km in about 18 hours with a diesel car but we were in a rush and the average speed on the highway was usually 140 km/h or more depending on the country we passed through. Went from Romania all the way to Aarhus Denmark but it wasn't comfortable at all. In a more realistic scenario with wife and kids you can add at least 30% more time than google would suggest it would take you to get.
The falsely fantom braking is very dangerous simply because a car or truck behind you do not foresee any danger in front and are therefore not expecting a car with clear traffic to suddenly jump on the brakes. These things should be standardised and tested by a third party before activated in any car.
The swap itself is pretty cheap, two swaps or 200 kWh of energy are free, everything above costs around 25-30 €. *However* the battery subscription costs 169 € per month with the 75 kWh pack and even 289 € per month for the 100 kWh one! And you're only able to swap if you subscribe. If you buy the battery, you won't be able to swap.
I dont get your swap experience. I did it multiple times. Never more than 5.xx minutes. In fact - swap alone took 4:40 in Berlin. Parking and dialogue took another 45 seconds 🤷♂️
Not fair deducting time for battery swap station being occupied, It will happen so often with that system. We could argue even the point of saying it's the fastest ev in 1000km if you have to go back and forth around the only battery swap station available. Is there going to be a lot more soon? Ok, then it will be fair, not right now.
I suppose that's the point of the test. To know how fast its possible to drive 1000 km under optimal conditions. But your point about occupied swap stations is perfectly valid in a real world scenario and I expect swap stations to be more of a buttle neck during vacation times etc.
Da mal rollo tener una carita siempre mirando o vigilando, jajaja. Nio podría aprovechar y que salga la carita cuando se le convoca o da alguna instrucción pero mientras podría mostrar un simple reloj analógico, tipo Porsche, copiarían, crearían y aprovecharían el hype. También que en modo track salga un cronómetro analógico. Pero los coches chinos son pesados con los ding, dong.
@Bjørn Nyland It would contain a solid state battery which would promise almost 1000 km range. This means that you would only need to battery swap once! Be ready when you do the Nio Et7 with 150 kwh way in the future that your bladder will explode.
I'm not sure if you ever did a 1000km challenge with a similarly efficient ICE car for time comparison and cost comparison. It would be interesting to see the difference also for cost comparison
I still don't see any benefit from swap in my environment. In Japan or China's megacities, where space is sometimes extremely tight: yes. PS: There is already a spoiler for the 1000km time.
Although swaps are and will always be the fastest way of recharging your car especially with future iterations, it's not just about that. Flexibility of dynamically changing battery capacities, ease of diagnosis and recycling of battery modules, autonomous features (NIO is currently testing ways of ordering your car to autonomously drive from your parking lot to a swap station and return to you unmanned). It's also about grid congestion optimizations. For example, the swap stations can work as energy storage and feed electricity back to the grid when necessary or when profitable. The compact design is also a huge benefit. Swap stations can be moved/placed wherever unlike a parking lot of supercharger stations. (Imagine being able to swap in under 5 minutes inside a shopping center parking lot. That beats gas stations.). There are tons of benefits with swap stations, both for the user as well as for the company and the parties involved (government, electricity providers etc.).
Battery swap isn't a very sustainable solution if you think about the resources to produce a battery. Despite that it isn't available regionwide. I prefer a much better charging technology instead.
Why do you think it's not sustainable? Nio has all the reasons in the world to produce some of the highest quality battery in the world, so they can last longer. They are also not counting on their customer to buy a new battery down the line, like some other brands do.
@Louis Arquivio because of the simple reason, that they have to produce vast amount of batteries and the life circle remains unclear! You need much more batteries with this system compared to other ones. This system can't work on a global basis.
Because he also deducts if you go to a charging station and all stalls are taken. It's a measure to control the variables. I once was returning from holiday and had to wait 20 minutes at a gas station on the highway. It would make no sense to judge the time it takes to refill based on that would it? The same can be applied here. For a benchmark you do it without waiting time but in a real world scenario charging the car may actually be faster if you have to wait for 4-5 cars swapping before you.
Exactly. The swap station can serve one car at a time. A Supercharger location can serve multiple. In the real world you are unlikely to find a queue at a Supercharger site but you are very likely to get a queue at a swap station. But we remove the wait time for the swap station. So if you do 1000km as an actual owner, which car is going to be faster? Not this one and that is why these deductions are out of hand... If we want to figure out the optimum situation he doesn't even need to drive, we know the consumption, we know how long a swap/charge takes, there is literally no need to do it for real if you're not counting for real.
The delay is PART of the Nio plan! Doomed to failure. Faster charging and more power dense batteries with power train efficiency are the winning solutions.
@@tobiasforsberg2497 How about my friend that has a 90D from 2016 and his battery warranty is about to expire. He would love to have a NIO and not worry about his old degraded battery.😊 Now he cannot sleep ar night.
Battery swapping has no future, because Nio can only offer it to there Customers, no other will pay for theses Swaping stations, which will make them a money hole. Only 120 for hole Europe, that's a joke. If just on Nio is in front of you at the swapping Station, the hole advantage is gone, the 800 Volt charing EV's will be gone, before the Nio is out of the swapping station. Renault tested Battery swapping 10 Years ago and figured out, it does not work. Charing Stations are very expensive, but these swapping stations are much more expensive, and they will take up much more space. Space is a think that is very meager specially on the highways. And how in the world will rent and electric car for over 1.200 € a month, that can't even hold the line. Also they are charging very slow and are not very efficient. Overall we can say, the Chineses only cook with water two. There is no big surprise from China, these Nio EV's are not better then anything else in the EV marked.
@@hannsmusster6919 There will be over 1000stations in Europe. Better place had shitty cars and the market was not ready. Swapping ststions are on target to be the same price as charging stations. They take upp much less space. Many have chosen to hire the car for for 1200€/month. Compared to OEMs Nios are as efficient or more efficient. The New EC7 supports 660A charging and NIO promiced that the pilot will soon be adjusted. Next generation NIOs cominh in 2025 will all support 500kw charging and will use 800v systems.
@@Lucas-wp2ph Well, in Europe there are 13 Swapping stations according to Nio's official report. That's quiet a lot 🤣. You can at least charge 10 EV's on the space of one Swapping Station. The price of a Swapping Station will be much higher then a normal charging station. A swapping Stations is a building by Law in Europe and for that reason it's hole different story and it's much more expensive. Also it makes no sense, no other EV's can swap there Batteries, so it is a waste of space an infrastructure. Instead of charging 10 EV's at the same Time, the swapping Station can only swap one or two batteries. Most modern 800 Volt EV's will be done after two Nio swaps. Nio sold only a couple of hundert Cars in Europe, most of them in Norway. In China sales a dramatically going down by 50%, because customers figured out that the swapping technic is a total fail. Nio will fail, because batterys will get charged even faster in the future. In reality you will need to make a stop when driving long distances, you can always use the charging break to use the restrooms and eat something, with the Nio this is extra Time, because you have to stay in the car during swapping out the battery. So after ten min. swap you need another ten min. for toilet and food. I'am 100% confident that swapping will fail and Nio has to change is strategy.
An idea for a video: try to negotiate with Nio if you can make a video of how the system works underneath and how the separate batteries charge there, as well as what would happen in case of emergency and you open the door while swapping. Could be interesting for some people
Ok Bjorn. Looks like my comment got loads of likes. Free video currency coming your way, isn't it? Haha enjoy buddy
I'd be interested in this as well
In the Swap Station 3.0 trailer, you can leave the car before it swaps and then after the swap is completed, it will park itself into a parking space besides it! Sou you could theoretically get some food while swapping.
The swap prison is weird indeed.
Excellent
EV Drivers eat too much already, so it is good to lock them up a little, for their own health.
If you represent or can contact NIO, do remember to let them know Bjorn's feedback regarding the cars' zig-zag and +/- move, and let them fix it. It's very precious feedback from him and should be handled in time.
Actually，you can get off the car when the 10 sec countdown begin, after you pressed start power swap button
This is so impressive. I’m blown away by the unmanned swap
I love your honest reviews! You speak your mind not your pocket.
The swapping technology offers many advantages on the long term:
- Makes EV ownership easier for people without access to home chargers
- Reasonable solution for long trips with trucks, trailers, etc
- Less ultrafast charging improves battery life
- More homogeneous use of existing grid capacity
- Removes customers anxiety about battery degradation
- Flexible use of different battery size in one car
- Swapping stations may be more compatible with the existing petrol station network than supercharger parks ?
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- Unfortunately only NIO pushes this technology forward, could be a similar mistake like legacy automakers made not to invest in supercharger networks.
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@Bjorn is it possible to add a column with charge total times?
I think a lot of people would find that really useful because it speaks volumes of the "untold story" behind every test.
It also helps people with a different "journey profile" better relate to the tested cars and put rest times into perspective.
Also the charged kWh would be nice.
In complete agreement. This is what i thought was the next metric where the competition should go as the top contenders are already there where charging time is starting to become non-issue. It's more about charging stops and what amenities are available at the stop - vc, cafeteria, small food shop etc.
Many people in the NIO app have the same experiences with the pilot and NIO has responded that it will be fixed with future updates.
Nio should open their own convenience stores near their swap stations.
the do alot of partnership,from ikea to Metro,
I really love the Nio's, i own a Model 3 and tested a ET7, but unfortunately in Denmark they're so expensive. Model 3 LR and Xpeng LR same price, then ET5 with 75kwh battery is €15.000 more.
an EU factory will be needed at some point
There is one un Hungary. Not producing cars (yet).
@@lbtobl83 hungary is gonna be the EU entry point for Chinese manufacturer for sure
Add around 2K fix costs for renting the small battery to it. But if you buy the battery, your car can't use the Swap Stations.
@@Shaolinof36thChamber I think the 75kw battery cost 1399 in Norway. Not sure in Denmark.
Why do they have opening hours at the swap stations? I mean the idea of swapping batterie, makes the cars able to compete with ice cars, but not if you can’t do it all hours of the day.
Those stations have at least one employee.
The newest ones in China are fully automatic.
I couldn't stop looking at that Volvo 360!
Thanks for a great TH-cam channel!
Wow! 165 km/h average speed on the first leg. That's proper schnell ;)
That is weird, I always though Bjorn went faster than the speed limit but the same as in every car, this completely invalidates the 1000 km challenge if he isn't consistent on it
it's supposed to be 2h57min if you look at the clock in the car when he arrives at the first stop
I made an error in the calculations.
Such a nice car!
@6:39 Average speed of 165.6 km/h is quite impressive. No speeding tickets yet? 😲
165 average on the first 300 km ?! Thats some german Speed
I was thinking that too
Looks like it is correct. The distance is correct and if it took 1:57 h (1.95 h) it sums up to that speed. Good hammering TeslaBjörn!!!!
It's 2:57, you can see the time on the display in the car at the charging station. An average speed of 160+ with this consumption and range would be great.
I don't believe this number. There must be a mistake somewhere.
Speed limit is 110 km/h.
Test results can’t be fairly compared.
Bjørn has 1% left and still going 115km/t haha. I would 100% have gone 90km/t behind that truck 😀ABC - Always Be Cautious 🙂
I love those door sounds. Next level rattling :)
Regarding the 12v, at 11:20 it looks like the iR LEDs on the steering did remain on during the entire process.
People with claustrophobia may not enjoy that battery swap experience.
26:56 I guess you triggered it with "Hey-Niway" 😁
My assumption is, Auto drive correction is more of a threshold setting. auto drive primary using off line mode are setting a larger threshold for correction so it move less. But for Nio, X peng are using auto drive with 4/5G infrastructure by default and using the offline mode as degradtion mode for compensation lacking of infrastructure support, hence the allowable threshold is not really tuned and can be used as scondary inidcator the auto drive is on degrade offline mode.
Think what most commentors fail to realize is that battery swap is just another option of juicing up, not a requisite ..
In your excel spreadsheet it would be interesting to have the base price of each car.
Some thoughts about the swapping procedure. Basically I think it’s a genious idea and shortens the total spent time on the trip, but I doubt this sytem will work with lots of more swappable batterie cars out there and only a few crowded swapping stations available. The waiting time will eventually be longer unless they increase the amount of stations. As an EV driver I actually enjoy 15-20 min brakes now and then. But this is a good alternative, though.
The power demand of swap station is about 50-70% lower than charging stations. And they can easily install another one.
This video is nice example that swapping is pointless. There are only few NIOs in Europe and had to wait for the swap. As a driver, you have to be all the time present, so you have to do your stuff (food, toilet, shopping, etc.) afterwards, which costs time anyways.
I still think building a proper infrastructure before offering swappable cars to potential customers is crushial. It wouldn’t make much sence charging swabbable battery cars with standard chargers - that would ruin the whole basic idea and the swappable battery station provider wouldn’t make money. Therefore in order to sell these kind of cars they need to invest a huge amount of money into the infra in order to convince customer. This consept is born too late.
You crack me up friend. Some of the things you come out with. Hahaha 😂 bless ya.
Be safe out there friend 👍😊
You said "Anyway, nine..."
The machine though it was similar enough to understand "hey, nio" :D
It's UNFAIR to deduct 6 minutes for swap. That's part of the NIO system. Will only get worse.
Think he does the same for charging stops - if there's a queue at ionity in the summer he deducts the time of the queue
@@jamesraisonx Now imagine a queue with 5 cars at the BSS. Besides, the charging speed of the ET5 is mediocre. Only 140 - 130 kw/h.
@@Shaolinof36thChamberyou really think thats bad, try waiting in line at a full tesla charging station. i had to wait 2 hours just to charge at one. id rather wait for battery swaps
It's like I'm in bavaria. I'm home
:DDDD
5 to 10 Minutes faster as a Tesla for a high monthly battery leasing rate and only if you have swap stations everywhere you need them. Yeah. Very good. o.O
But how about panelgaps, and paint😢
@@Lucas-wp2ph For me a Hyundai/Kia would do it. Question is: Is there enough demand for battery swap if you only save some minutes? Who needs this say 30 minutes for 1000 km? Most people wont drive this in one day. Maybe holiday once in a year. But for that you need swapping stations on your way to Croatia or wherever you want to go. With the new batteries like the 3C batteries in the GAC Aion it gets worse for battery swap for this leasing rate.
@@stoapfalzrunden4150 Is not just about saving time, but about not owning the battery. Being able to Upgrade the capacity and accordingly with technology developments. Besides, less cost upfront
@@valanz_ Time will tell if that will happen. Will a 6-10 year old car get a better battery to "upgrade it with capacity and technology" or not? We will see. I'm inclined to the view that they will say "sorry, not compatible with the old car/tech". If that happens it was only a
cheap advertising promise.
@@stoapfalzrunden4150 is already happening in China, NIO introduced a new battery. No reason why won't happen in a few years
I was once driving as passenger with my old CEO and he drove exactly like this car on auto steer… but he was the one and it gets me freakin mad after 3 hours 😊 so this car just imitates driver with the right pocket money
That auto steer Zug-Zag motion from your previous video would be a deal breaker. Scary and not confidence inspiring.
Hello. Great video. How much does it cost to make the swap?
If you have BAAS (Battery as a Service) it doesn’t cost anything. Monthly fee for BaaS according to Bjørn is 2000 NOK
@@nakfan ~169eur for the 75 kWh and ~269eur/month for the 100kWh battery. Thats the cost of renting the battery instead of buying It but It has limited swaps, only a few each month (2? Im not sure right now), after those 2 you pay extra for each swap. If you buy the battery (70k eur car instead of 50k one) you dont have access to battery swaps.
@@broncopp Unfortunately too expensive for many. I know people who are leasing their ICE cars for 300€ / months.
Just a coat comparison.
nio is going to be a big winner thanks 20:57 best part
Conclusion; if you are in a hurry, for maximum 4 times a month, and need to travel 1000km a day on a route where there is a swap station, and there is no que, and you want to pay a lot extra for that, and you can and want to hold your pee for very long, this is a good car. 😊
busted! commenting without watching the full video? you comment was posted 10min after the video uploads so…😂
However it's Chinese and will log al your data and listen to all the things you say, probably backed up by some serious algorithms. Unless the CCP magically disappears, i would not recommend anyone to buy a Chinese car of these kinds
@@bq5577x yeah sure… US car maker would never do that!😅
@@bq5577x you must be mistaking with American cars and regime Bart
@@bq5577x frankly, mate, considering the mundane shit I talk about in my car, the CCCP can waste all the time they want listening to me rambling on.
was going to get a tesla m3p but will wait for the nio touring that car is amazing
Do you get reimbursed for the energy left in the batteries before swapping or do you essentially give nio the leftover energy for free?
Yes
How much would the time be without battery swap? (for the unlucky people who don't live in Scandinavia or Germany)
Hi Bjorn, at your second stop you mentioned that you had used 47% battery, but didn't you only have 90% battery when you left the first battery swap station? Great videos.
You have to race the train. If you’re not on your way to a Dutch de*thclinic according to Jeremy Clarksson🤷🏽♂️
So for a 9 hour drive, you save around 10 minutes compared to Tesla, with the battery swap. And you cant leave the car while its going on, so most people then need to go to the toilet, buy food etc. outside of that - so in real life you will prob. not save any time compared to a Tesla.
Car shows energy % consumed by driver assistance (lidar, zigzag, child voice, etc).
The character/voice reminds me of Ashley Too from Black Mirror!
NIO really needs to look at the design system of their battery swap and have it drive in from one side and drive out of the other. None of this back into B.S.
It does make sense, but I guess for temperature control, maybe not.
It's easier to park in a tight spot backing in there instead of straight driving. In order to have a good alignment for in and out without backing you need longer distance at the entrance and exit. It's like side parking, while you can make it without backing up you will need more space to set the car straight.
That is already possible. They have placed a few v2 swap stations in that configuration in China but the closed back is usually the way to go as it saves space and the swap station can be placed pretty much anywhere. From underground parking lots to TESLA supercharger stations etc. Closed back is more compact and the logistics are more practical in most cases for the time being ^^.
They have PSS drive thru in Beijing th-cam.com/video/4yEn37YW3sY/w-d-xo.html
The problem for NIO is now the sale in China plus overseas countries are crap. Money kept ingested without any refill from poor sale margins. Let's see how long it will keep on hold since survival is the 1st thing NIO needs to concern now.
I don’t think you can make it much faster, even if just BS, if there were a lot more of them, at the right distance between them. As if you only Bs, you would have to stop to pee, eat, etc…, so that’ll be minimum of extra 5-10min if you rush it (normal people on a trip/family, may stop for then 20-30mins)….
The white ET7 in front of me is a good example. He spent 6 minutes swapping and another 6 minutes going to the gas station.
Exactly, if you drive with a family you will never make it under 9 hours unless you drive at an average speed of 130-140 km/h at least. Me and my father drove for about 2000 km in about 18 hours with a diesel car but we were in a rush and the average speed on the highway was usually 140 km/h or more depending on the country we passed through. Went from Romania all the way to Aarhus Denmark but it wasn't comfortable at all. In a more realistic scenario with wife and kids you can add at least 30% more time than google would suggest it would take you to get.
Can you test CUPRA BORN e-Boost 170 kW 77 kWh 2023 1000km test.
The e-Boost version!! If the extra boost decrease range??
Great videos!!
Why is the swap station not open at night?
Gas stations in Norway have chargers. Funny
The falsely fantom braking is very dangerous simply because a car or truck behind you do not foresee any danger in front and are therefore not expecting a car with clear traffic to suddenly jump on the brakes. These things should be standardised and tested by a third party before activated in any car.
Hei Bjørn, mange takk for testen, kan du forklare meg hvor er første stopp i Oslo?. mvh Klaus
How does much it cost for battery swap per kw/hr compared with charging ?
The swap itself is pretty cheap, two swaps or 200 kWh of energy are free, everything above costs around 25-30 €. *However* the battery subscription costs 169 € per month with the 75 kWh pack and even 289 € per month for the 100 kWh one! And you're only able to swap if you subscribe. If you buy the battery, you won't be able to swap.
What is the cost for a swap charge? Do you ever get back your original battery?
In china , swap is at similar cost as charging .
Is this the car that gets around the battery degradation problem I wonder!
How come the Model 3 LFP SR isnt tested? Or would it be the same as long range?
It has already been tested. Albeit on the noway route in 10h 5min
just wow
You had that time at the first swap to go to the toilet. Sometimes you can use that time
Nope
I dont get your swap experience. I did it multiple times. Never more than 5.xx minutes. In fact - swap alone took 4:40 in Berlin. Parking and dialogue took another 45 seconds 🤷♂️
Good for you.
Not fair deducting time for battery swap station being occupied, It will happen so often with that system. We could argue even the point of saying it's the fastest ev in 1000km if you have to go back and forth around the only battery swap station available. Is there going to be a lot more soon? Ok, then it will be fair, not right now.
Random delay = deduct
I suppose that's the point of the test. To know how fast its possible to drive 1000 km under optimal conditions.
But your point about occupied swap stations is perfectly valid in a real world scenario and I expect swap stations to be more of a buttle neck during vacation times etc.
Da mal rollo tener una carita siempre mirando o vigilando, jajaja. Nio podría aprovechar y que salga la carita cuando se le convoca o da alguna instrucción pero mientras podría mostrar un simple reloj analógico, tipo Porsche, copiarían, crearían y aprovecharían el hype. También que en modo track salga un cronómetro analógico. Pero los coches chinos son pesados con los ding, dong.
Good
Isn't hammer time when you get wasted 😂
Cant wait for a non nio video
Good work and interesting video but you need some new left and right jokes.
Is the future chineese?
I noticed that your average speed including charging on first leg was 165.6km/h!! Is that a typo?
Error
Soon will have 150kw solid state battery. Be ready for 8hr
is it like fusion ? i keep hearing it is around the corner
Not possible. The fastest time was with Nissan e-power.
@bjornnyland with solid state they say its gonna be 1000km range, if its gonna make even 500 you will swap once. Your blader gonna explode
@Bjørn Nyland It would contain a solid state battery which would promise almost 1000 km range. This means that you would only need to battery swap once! Be ready when you do the Nio Et7 with 150 kwh way in the future that your bladder will explode.
I'm not sure if you ever did a 1000km challenge with a similarly efficient ICE car for time comparison and cost comparison. It would be interesting to see the difference also for cost comparison
It's literally at the top of the chart.
@@craigix ICE..... Google it
With all the advances hardware this car is bit sensitive
I will buy any car that has battery swap, that so much better than 1h fast charging
Gen 3 PSS will take only 3mins
I still don't see any benefit from swap in my environment.
In Japan or China's megacities, where space is sometimes extremely tight: yes.
PS: There is already a spoiler for the 1000km time.
Although swaps are and will always be the fastest way of recharging your car especially with future iterations, it's not just about that. Flexibility of dynamically changing battery capacities, ease of diagnosis and recycling of battery modules, autonomous features (NIO is currently testing ways of ordering your car to autonomously drive from your parking lot to a swap station and return to you unmanned). It's also about grid congestion optimizations. For example, the swap stations can work as energy storage and feed electricity back to the grid when necessary or when profitable. The compact design is also a huge benefit. Swap stations can be moved/placed wherever unlike a parking lot of supercharger stations. (Imagine being able to swap in under 5 minutes inside a shopping center parking lot. That beats gas stations.). There are tons of benefits with swap stations, both for the user as well as for the company and the parties involved (government, electricity providers etc.).
Battery swap isn't a very sustainable solution if you think about the resources to produce a battery. Despite that it isn't available regionwide. I prefer a much better charging technology instead.
Why do you think it's not sustainable? Nio has all the reasons in the world to produce some of the highest quality battery in the world, so they can last longer. They are also not counting on their customer to buy a new battery down the line, like some other brands do.
@Louis Arquivio because of the simple reason, that they have to produce vast amount of batteries and the life circle remains unclear! You need much more batteries with this system compared to other ones. This system can't work on a global basis.
You are ignorant or lying. NIO only has 3 to 5% more batteries for swap. Not a huge amount.
@Alberto I'm non of that, but thx for trying to disrespect me. Where exactly do you think I'm lying!?
@@mattleistner313 It remains unclear for those who don't research 😉
Average speed: 165.6 km/h 😲 (@ 6:40)
Clock @ 7:16 says 06.49 so I guess the time was wrong should have been ~2h49m (instead of 1h57m)
Yes, error
Why you deduct the wait time? Its not realistic.
Because he also deducts if you go to a charging station and all stalls are taken. It's a measure to control the variables. I once was returning from holiday and had to wait 20 minutes at a gas station on the highway. It would make no sense to judge the time it takes to refill based on that would it? The same can be applied here. For a benchmark you do it without waiting time but in a real world scenario charging the car may actually be faster if you have to wait for 4-5 cars swapping before you.
The test is not about realism but consistency.
Exactly. The swap station can serve one car at a time. A Supercharger location can serve multiple. In the real world you are unlikely to find a queue at a Supercharger site but you are very likely to get a queue at a swap station. But we remove the wait time for the swap station. So if you do 1000km as an actual owner, which car is going to be faster? Not this one and that is why these deductions are out of hand...
If we want to figure out the optimum situation he doesn't even need to drive, we know the consumption, we know how long a swap/charge takes, there is literally no need to do it for real if you're not counting for real.
@bjornnyland .. please help me .. i am looking for your video where you were testing low preheat of Tesla on 50kw stations .. thanks
power swap is not for me
26:20
No point in battery swapping, if time saved is 10-15m vs. Merc or Mod S.
But you save 100k compared to the Mercedes.
You don't get the whole picture don't ya?
And soon many other models. Cars that can DC charge really fast + high power chargers is becoming available at a much higher pace than swap stations.
@@kasperbirch Yes NIO already have their own 500kW chargers installed in China. And the EC7 already charges with 660A. So it will be game over😎
The delay is PART of the Nio plan! Doomed to failure. Faster charging and more power dense batteries with power train efficiency are the winning solutions.
You can buy your food at the station and eat while battery swap
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Model S LR Palladium with this higher temperatures please ;-)
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@@bjornnyland 💪💪💪
Why did NIO move the charge port on the wrong side? 😞
Apples to apples, with no battery swapping the Teslas are far better. And in the software side no one comes even closer.
I agree. And a difference of only 10-15 minutes. Its not worth it to do swapping. At least as longs as you have to wait in the car.
@@tobiasforsberg2497 How about my friend that has a 90D from 2016 and his battery warranty is about to expire. He would love to have a NIO and not worry about his old degraded battery.😊 Now he cannot sleep ar night.
I would sleep much worse with 8 year old car and 170 eur monthly fee.
@@Lucas-wp2ph Apply for a battery replacement?
In terms of software you have to see the Avatr 11. It comes more than close!
That car talks to much…
Any German speaker care to translate the convo around 22:38
Bjorn says:
My car is dirty
Nomi says:
could you put it in other words?
I still don't understand it,
please try manual operation.
@@raphi25895 awesome thanks!!
@@raphi25895 thanks!
Battery swapping has no future, because Nio can only offer it to there Customers, no other will pay for theses Swaping stations, which will make them a money hole. Only 120 for hole Europe, that's a joke. If just on Nio is in front of you at the swapping Station, the hole advantage is gone, the 800 Volt charing EV's will be gone, before the Nio is out of the swapping station. Renault tested Battery swapping 10 Years ago and figured out, it does not work. Charing Stations are very expensive, but these swapping stations are much more expensive, and they will take up much more space. Space is a think that is very meager specially on the highways. And how in the world will rent and electric car for over 1.200 € a month, that can't even hold the line. Also they are charging very slow and are not very efficient. Overall we can say, the Chineses only cook with water two. There is no big surprise from China, these Nio EV's are not better then anything else in the EV marked.
You are actually wrong in everything you just said.
@@Lucas-wp2ph Proof it, or be quiet.
@@hannsmusster6919 There will be over 1000stations in Europe. Better place had shitty cars and the market was not ready. Swapping ststions are on target to be the same price as charging stations. They take upp much less space. Many have chosen to hire the car for for 1200€/month. Compared to OEMs Nios are as efficient or more efficient. The New EC7 supports 660A charging and NIO promiced that the pilot will soon be adjusted. Next generation NIOs cominh in 2025 will all support 500kw charging and will use 800v systems.
@@Lucas-wp2ph Well, in Europe there are 13 Swapping stations according to Nio's official report. That's quiet a lot 🤣. You can at least charge 10 EV's on the space of one Swapping Station. The price of a Swapping Station will be much higher then a normal charging station. A swapping Stations is a building by Law in Europe and for that reason it's hole different story and it's much more expensive. Also it makes no sense, no other EV's can swap there Batteries, so it is a waste of space an infrastructure. Instead of charging 10 EV's at the same Time, the swapping Station can only swap one or two batteries. Most modern 800 Volt EV's will be done after two Nio swaps. Nio sold only a couple of hundert Cars in Europe, most of them in Norway. In China sales a dramatically going down by 50%, because customers figured out that the swapping technic is a total fail.
Nio will fail, because batterys will get charged even faster in the future. In reality you will need to make a stop when driving long distances, you can always use the charging break to use the restrooms and eat something, with the Nio this is extra Time, because you have to stay in the car during swapping out the battery. So after ten min. swap you need another ten min. for toilet and food. I'am 100% confident that swapping will fail and Nio has to change is strategy.
@@hannsmusster6919 We will meet her in 10 years and you can apologize because you could not have been more wrong.
Du solltest richtig Deutsch lernen ;)
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