I love how Squid Game is explicitly a critique of capitalism and how the elite will take advantage of the lower class and treat them as nothing more than entertainment, and then Netflix ignored all that and made a reality show. It's like when the Hunger Games movies first came out and everyone was focusing on the love story for Katniss instead of y'know, children being murdered, which is exactly what was happening in the book.
"One may dye their hair green and wear their grandma's coat all they want. Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead."
We’re gonna get a Netflix Hunger Games reality show starring a lineup of people from the Circle, Love is Blind, Too Hot To Handle, etc… I hope Chloe wins
My internet's been broken for the past few days so I'm using my phone's hotspot and I thought my connection was just being ass, thanks for confirming that it's not just me 😂
The whole point of the original Squid Game series was a critique of the lengths people being crushed under capitalism will go to in order to find relief. It’s discouragingly unaware to then go and make that a reality show, let alone then try and cut corners in production costs and mistreat contestants to save money.
I wouldn't say "unaware", because I can't imagine they're so dense that the critique is lost on them. I'd say it's much more likely that they just don't care - apathy/evil than cluelessness hah
it did seem really fucking weird to me. i haven’t seen squid game, but from what i’ve heard about it it sounded like it was anti-capitalism and criticizing things like that designed to take advantage of people who are in the position that they’d need to participate in something like that. i don’t know what netflix execs thought they were doing by literally making the game. scary.
My dad got super depressed and had zero energy, and basically was just all around miserable in every way after his testosterone levels dropped since he is in his 40s now, and his doctor said he wouldn't prescribe it because his levels were normal, mind you they were at the low end of "normal" and clearly it was causing him problems that impeded his ability to take care of himself and live the same life he had been before. He kept pushing and pushing and the doctor finally told him, look if i give you this, which i won't, you will be paying out of pocket because insurance will not pay for it. It was somewhere around $800 PER MONTH for the prescription. He orders it online for $200 for an 8 week supply... :/
It helps normalize it, like it’s not JUST for trans people, it’s for anyone. Gender affirmation surgery and hormone treatment encapsulates sooooo many things that can easily apply to cis people too. It’s so cool ❤
In the "gym" community it has quite recently become more accepted to talk about body dysphoria, how many do it because they dont feel good in their own body and for many it doesn't really help, likely because of social ideas of how you should look, very much like how young women get pressure from models I hope we as a species/society learn more about accepting ourselves and learn to be proud of ourselves for the changes we decide to make in the future, so we don't constantly walk around just feeling the bad thoughts about our own bodies
I don't think getting testostetone when you have low testosterone is gender affirming. It's like your brain not producing enough of a chemical Soo you need the vyvanse . It's just making feel normal.
It is not charity to pay people for their labor. The people on this show are performers who did a job that is generating revenue for somebody and they deserve to be compensated for it. I just assumed that they were all being paid to hear that they weren't is insane. It's completely unconscionable. How is there not a lawsuit yet?
My brother is in great shape and deeply ashamed of his gynecomastia and won't ever take his shirt off, I'm the only he's ever talked to about it. I also really appreciate Jarvis being open about it. We need to normalize having these conversations.
Regardless of whether or not you win, regardless of whether or not they're screening specifically for people with sad stories or difficult situations to exploit, they are performing, it is labor. Even putting aside the getting hypothermia on the tarmac thing. The idea of anyone in these types of shows not being compensated at all for their hours upon hours of labor is insane. It should be required they pay people.
Yeah I'm pretty sure being required to show up and complete tasks for a project that you will be removed from if you fail to perform is the definition of a job
I might need to fact-check myself here but I feel like the old competition shows back in the day like American Idol usually at least had smaller payouts for contestants that made it past the auditions to the audience-voting stage. At the rate they're cranking out game shows now, I doubt they have the kind of capital to throw around like they used to, but if they can't at least afford to compensate people who are already financially struggling for their time and labor, they shouldn't be making these shows.
Legit like not even minimum wage?? People on jury duty get paid for the time, and they don't get paid enough and it's a whole issue, but bc of that I would have assumed game show contestants are paid a wage like?? Also the fact that they were fed gross food is so messed up.
@@Hambonehoven sometimes if I'm not paying attention or I squint, I'm like "whoa! Is that Dwayne Johnson on the sad boyz podcast?! Based!" And then I realize it's just Jarvis
yeah!! i saw a video about him and that’s how i learned about gynecomastia’s existence. it was so comforting as a trans guy to know that like it’s something any guy could be experiencing and i’m less alone (beyond having the trans community lol)
Damn, I did not know that! We absolutely need more cis people’s stories about gender affirming care, to normalize it and make it more clear that it’s literally for anyone, and not anything weird or wrong. It’s surprisingly common for all kinds of people. I’m so sick of people demonizing it because they’re dumbass transphobes with no brain.
based of jarvis to refer to it as gender affirming care, cause it like normalizes this, and makes it not just "a trans thing", made me super happy to hear as a trans person myself.
Jordan explaining the torture of the shame cycle that comes with executive dysfunction with that thirst analogy resonated so deeply with me. This podcast offers such important neurodivergent representation and visibility. ❤️
I wanna say they missed the entire point but no, capitalist corporation gonna capitalism and all that 💀 they are the problem and they're wholly unapologetic about it
I felt really uncomfortable about most of the stuff that came as a result of squid game like all the merch and stuff felt a little gross considering the purpose and topic of the original show
It's insane how they didn't realize it was a bad idea to make a squid reality show. The second episode of squid game, where they get to escape from the horrifying games and live there normal lives for the entire episode is literally titled ''HELL"
Loved hearing Jarvis talk about his surgery! I'm a cis woman who had a breast reduction back in 2018 and I relate to the feeling of thinking about it every single day and being so happy I did it. Even though you'd think the opposite for someone like me, it did feel very gender affirming somehow.
i feel like as a woman with large breasts, your breasts become your identity. you’re known as the one with big tits and that can be very dehumanizing. i’m sure having both the literal and figurative weight lifted was incredibly liberating!
@@Chachixo I was too! I was always 5'3 (plus a negligible quarter inch-ish) and then about 6 months post-op I went to the doctor and they told me I was 5'4. I don't know the exact weight of what all was removed, but I went from wearing a 36I (as in "indigo") to a 34C.
Yeah, the show was wild. I appreciate y’all’s thoughts and kind words. If you guys have anymore questions about the show or want to connect with other competitors, let me know. I deeply appreciate your content
Also, I want to add that I’m extremely grateful for my experience on the show. I formed friendships there that I’m confident will last my lifetime. And facing intense stress in that situation has began a new period of growth for me. I’m fortunate that the people I went there with the intention to win the money for have begun to improve their financial situation and are no longer in need of that money. Anyways, I could talk about the show for hours. I’m grateful for all. I wish you the best 💛 lmk if you have any questions
I'm really curious if you have had the chance to unpack this experience with a professional yet? The makings of the situation have the potential to produce quite the fawning response. I am glad you are feeling better ❤
As someone with an anxiety disorder I can really empathize with Spencer; whenever I have a panic attack I get incredibly nauseous, and half of the time I do gag and eventually throw up, and it’s painful on the stomach, the literal meaning of stomach churning. I can’t imagine having this kind of reaction in front of hundreds of constants, actors, and crew members, then having that moment seen and mocked by millions of people, it’s an utter nightmare.
As someone who has been mocked and ridiculed publicly many times when having anxiety or panic attacks, I feel so terrible for Spencer. It's always seen as "overreacting" or "ruining and making a big deal out of nothing", and I hope more people, especially the show runners, get more considerate over stuff like this. But I doubt it.
I mostly just avoid Twitter. Only people with kind and affirming words have found me on Insta. A lot was going on in the moment for sure but I feel grateful for the experience as a whole at this point. Let me know if you have any questions
Yeah it's not making a "big deal" I'm trying my best to control myself. And worse is the accusation that it's "attention seeking behavior" when I'd really prefer to be invisible at the time! Seriously shaking, sweating, coughing and throwing up.... Yeah I JUST wanted all eyes on me for that! 🙄
@@Spencer_299glad to hear it wasn't too traumatic for you. And that you're still in a place of gratitude! You're made of tougher stuff than me! Would you say your experience as a whole was a mostly positive one?
@@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066 I’d for sure say it was mostly positive. I joke with my friends that while lots of people have seen me on the show or in a meme, I’m still not recognized in public much. I just joke that it’s because people don’t know what I look like when I’m smiling 😅 and though it may be hard to believe from my reaction on the show, I’m smiling most of the time
Honestly I think it would solve so many problems about reality TV if participants had to be paid an hourly wage - even minimum wage would be a start, I just can't believe producers think it's ok to have these people working 24/7 for free
one of the worst things about squid game the game show is living with the knowledge that I would absolutely put my life on the line for that kind of money. that is not only life changing money. that is life MAKING money. I would LITERALLY never have to worry about money again. I hate the things that I would do for that money, all while the producers have ten times that wealth, and I think thats what makes this show so cruel. edit: also those bunk beds are terrifying. I have a crippling fear of heights and if I was assigned a high bunk I would not sleep the entire time.
The whole "I don't want to think about my body" part was put so well, that's something I go through almost every day and that put it into words perfectly
The squid game gameshow is a perfect example of a phenomenon I named: "the Robo-cop effect". It's a specific ludo-narrative dissonance I've noticed in a lot of media. It's when a piece of media with revolutionary/subversive themes and is subsequently co-opted by the oppressing group (usually capitalism). The original media keeps the revolutionary themes in writing, but the media has become what it originally fought against. (Robocop originally has strong anti-capitalist and anti-celebrity themes. And then executives made a Robocop children's animated show, a concept that the original movie criticized)
Not dissimilar to what happened with rambo- originally an anti vietnam war narrative turned sylvester stallone going ham with machine guns cuz thats what made the money
That's a big part of the essay Cool Capitalism; and the really insidious part is that it doesn't even need to be a planned effort to subvert any sort of revolutionary movement. anti-capitalism has a sort of cachet on account of how it taps into a major concern that pretty much everyone has; so OF COURSE someone's gonna come along and try to bottle it up and sell our discontent back to us
i was watching the squid games challenge today and it was almost upsetting watching people's hands shake during the dalgona challenge like they were actually going to be shot. the way they'd break into tears when they succeeded. it just felt...strange. it was so bizarre
It made me sick, these people are being subjected to some crazy shit and the way it's shot just leaves a bad taste in your mouth. The amount of full on sobbing in that game was not normal or should be acceptable to subject people to.
I have ADHD, and this podcast, and Brain Leak are so unbelievably relatable because both podcasts are just two dudes with really bad ADHD trying to maintain a consistent conversation for an hour, and failing miserably 😂
@@tylerc5021 lmao "okay so we're talking about eggs, because I said chicken, we were talking about chickens because the guy is from Kentucky..." right before "Ohhh! The French Revolution!!"
Trans guy here. I started watching y’all towards the beginning of my transition, and today I had a dysphoria-related spiral and when I was coming out of it the first thing I saw was your video. Thank you so much Jarvis for talking about your experiences with gynecomastia. I know our experiences are very different, but hearing these creators I look up to so much talk honestly about these issues is so healing and affirming. Ty for being a safe space I can always come to to cheer up ❤
Afab enby here, hope you’re doin ok and continue to improve. You got this 🫶🏻❤ Gender affirming care is for anyone, and more people need to realize how important it is, and normalize it.
hearing jordan struggling to describe the guy skipping over joey scenes got me cracking up, if I were there I wouldve cried laughing too lmaooo its just too absurd and unexpected
It's so interesting hearing about the gynecomastia as a trans guy-Jarvis describes dysphoria really well. I distinctly remember watching Jarvis's super long BOTW streams while I was just recovering from my top surgery, so his voice is always associated with post-op euphoria, to me :)
the segment about “if your throat is so dry but you cannot get up for water it is not laziness” part by jordan helped me, as someone who’s about to go on antidepressants the validation about needing meds in your podcast is always so comforting
@@susie8799I didn't get that vibe. I just heard I lost weight but this hardened fat on my chest wouldnt Go away so I got it removed. Like if you lost a lotta weight but a bit was stubborn and once. It was gone. You were able. To see the fruit of the effort and enjoy the way you look more. It never seemed like he had any issues with his manliness or gender before or after the surgery. It's by definition body dysmorphia but you do you.
I appreciated the talk about body image and medical choices. As a dental student I can also say orthodontics are so powerful for changing someone’s self image and it also can really help with the actual function of their mouth; whether it be with chewing, grinding your teeth, etc… I wish it was more accessible here in the US. It’s outrageous how little is covered by medical and dental insurance.
I really believe that there can be a change in dental healthcare accessibility - dental works similarly here in australia. I gotta thank you for going into the field, i think its people in the field with your empathetic mindset thatll have the power to make those accessibility improvements
I can't remember where I heard teeth referred to as "luxury bones" in the eyes of insurance but it's so true. Somehow because dentistry is a newer field than general medicine mouth/tooth/jaw health is considered completely unrelated to the rest of your body
My mom works at a university and her staff ID gets her (and her immediate family) free bus fare. I think every single employer should cover the cost of commute.
Coming back to this video to say I just got a video on my tiktok for you page of a woman describing her experience on this show. Her screen name was simply her first name and then her three digit number. It felt incredibly dystopian in a way I don't know how to articulate.
really cool to hear jarvis talk about that surgery and how similar a lot of the related feelings and experiences are to mine as a transmasculine person
Thank you Jarvis for being so earnest about your gyno surgery. I’m still early into my transition and have been considering top surgery. Top surgery is intimidating and very stigmatized, it’s affirming to hear your perspective and satisfaction with the procedure. I really appreciate you and Jordan empathizing your support for trans people.
i’m a trans guy who just got top surgery and i’ve been wearing the post op compression top and it’s mentally so different than a regular chest binder. it really is that i finally feel connected with my body like never before that i don’t even care about the current discomfort from the garment
ahhh congrats !! can't wait for that feeling, i have mine coming up in 6 months 🫢🫢 also it's so funny seeing the trans community gathered in the sad boyz comment section 😭 anyway good luck with recovery man happy for you 💪🏼💪🏼
@@kiri_tm Thanks!! I am actually one month post op today!! It’s absolutely the best thing i’ve ever done. I’m super excited for you!!! In my experience those six months simultaneously fly by and drag on so slow. Good luck with your operation and recovery as well!! It is really awesome to see the trans community here, love that we can find comfort in them
Your description of Squid Game made me realise there's some allegory for the Korean War in there with the financiers being mainly western capitalists using and causing korean suffering for their own entertainment.
not wanting to Be Aware of your body is the biggest mood; I'm a cis woman & I Want Them Off for similar reasons!! there's a way I want to look+feel that I can't even achieve by binding, and it definitely makes me a little >:/ about being perceived at all by other people, or even just. existing in physical space, lol. love when I get to hear about someone Dealing With something that was bothering them like that + reaping the benefits !
I get that the justification for having these contestants on without paying them or compensating their time is the potential 4 million reward. But I think that is a flawed one, these contestants are supplying the entirety of your plotlines, drama, everything. You do not have the show without them. They deserve some sort of base rate or payment for appearing on the show with then the potential to win the reward, that pays for the time and investment many of these people have to give in to just appear on the show and hopefully does a bit more on top. This shouldn't be a 'You should be happy for this opportunity' type situation.
Hey this is a really beautiful episode I’m a woman and I feel like it’s so hard to reconcile literally hating the body I’m in bc it doesn’t feel like it belongs to me and divesting my mentality from the systemic pressures of ableism and fatphobia I haven’t figured out the solution to this reconciliation but it’s nice I’m not the only one who just doesn’t feel like the ideas connect
I’m nonbinary, but not even related to my identity, my weight was such a huge problem in my life, and when I had weight loss surgery and not only lost a ton of weight, I just felt healthier and more like I was finally in a body I could relate to more. It changed my life so much ❤
yeah i definitely can relate its such a complex like thought process it feels silly that theres such a straightforward solution! but im glad your experience turned out for the better!
thank you for thinking about the squid games in a real life way instead of a detached viewpoint. I listen to Cody and noel and I really like them and have nothing against them but the way they talked about it as a reality show instead of the original squid games being created in real life makes me a little sick to my stomach. the fact that the show even is able to exist in real life is not a funny thing, its a critical failure of the system we live in to provide for those who are struggling.
What worked so well about the honeycomb segment of squid game was no one knew what they were picking shapes for In the challenge of course no one wants umbrella, the element of surprise is no longer there, if they wanted that reveal to still work sort of they would've randomly assigned the shape instead of having them choose.
this is what I was thinking! they should have made it like a lucky draw or something instead of having them literally fight. it was probably like that for the drama of the show but a lucky draw still could've been dramatic if they edited it well enough.
as someone with an eerily similar combination of adhd/depression/anxiety symptoms as Jarvis i can't overstate how encouraging it's been to listen to u guys :,) just started my own treatment recently and it feels like we're on the meds journey together lol
Happy to say Sad Boyz was my top podcast this year, listened for around 23k minutes. I'm determined to make it my top podcast again next year! This podcast means a lot to me, and I dont expect Jordan and Jarvis to ever see this but hearing the sad boyz talk about their feelings has helped me to get better at expressing mine. This pod has gotten me through a lot of really tough times and I cannot think everyone involved enough for all of the effort they put into this podcast.
I super love how authentic and open you are about your mental health and general body stuff. I think it's really important for dudes to normalize both doing the feelings and body stuff. Your generation really is helping society progress.
i think the matt rife update is particularly funny bc hes got so many clips of how if someone says something mean about him he tries to make them cry and how he'll hit them back way harder than they hit him but that was the best he could do to a tiktok surgeon
I make fun of rife's appearance specifically cuz he very constantly is *telling* us he's attractive and I don't think he is. I do see a funny correlation between the same people who say "comedians tell jokes get over it" and "attacking his appearance is uncalled for" -- I think he can take the comments if he's making "apology bait" that is punching down unapologetically. by his own logic he needs to get over it.
Jarvis, thank you so much for illustrating that spikey moods could be fixed by medications... I'm gonna bookmark this to fight my executive dysfunction and try harder to find a psych that will take my new (late 30s!) ADHD diagnosis seriously. I teach HIGH SCHOOL and I get like that and I am AWARE I am cranky and damn if those kids this year aren't on me about it. (They are very kind, but it is sad to hear that they notice when I'm not in a great mood.) It sucks to be aware of it and not know what to do about it.
It’s not charity, these people are providing the entertainment. They are essentially performers… they should just be paid for their time, especially when they have to take off their primary income. Say what you will about mr beast but he paid people to quarantine, paid people a rate to be in the shoot, and offered a prize to pretty much everyone even if it’s not straight up cash. I live in the town he shoots around in NC and he treats his shoots very professionally
im in top surgery recovery rn and i've been listening to all the sad boyz patreon episodes i've missed cause of school so it's cool that this is the epsiode where jarvis talked about having a similar surgery :-)
There's something in there about how it's not "life threatening" physically persay; however, mentally?? Totally different story. And quality of life should play a bigger role as well.
I personally suffered from gynecomastia since puberty and listening to you talking about what it was like living with it was like staring into a mirror. I was so self conscious and was something that I would think about every. single. day. It honestly hindered my willingness to have intimate relationships. No matter how much weight I lost and how many people would tell me how good I looked, I still saw myself completely different. Getting the surgery was one of the best things I could have done for my self esteem. It was definitely more for me than for anyone else but I’ve had no desire to get another surgery and the feeling of having this issue no longer plaguing my mind was truly something I’m grateful for. Thanks for sharing your story. And thanks for affirming we’re all simply living each others lives lol
26:53 what jordan said about meds allowing you to be happy instead of making you happy immediately is SO true and i'm SO glad someone mentioned it!!!! it took me so unbelievably long to find the right meds & a pretty big reason for that was because i wasn't immediately feeling better (spoiler: i wasn't doing literally anything else)
I got a hysterectomy yesterday to both treat some ongoing medical issues and also affirm my gender and it’s so nice to hear from some of my favorites about normalizing gender affirming care.
Kind of wish they did "Squid games: The resort" and had 10-12 contestants on a swanky resort, so it could contrast against the challenges. you could then get to know the constants better, and for those who don't win at least they got to have cocktails in a spa or something actually nice instead of frostbite and lost wages.
Yes and also they should’ve researched childhood games from the states to use so there is that element of surprise, nostalgia, and game planning that they’re missing since they’re just ripping off the original.
I recently closed the gap in my teeth as its been something that made me really insecure my whole life. I stopped smiling as much and was hyper-aware everytime I spoke or laugh. The mere thought of someone even looking at them made me panic. Now that it's closed the people closest to me are constantly telling me they miss my gap or asking me why I closed it. The comments are a little frustrating because people are mourning something that has been a source of anxiety for me. Although I wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone, it's so reassuring to hear my feelings being expressed by someone else and being validated in them.❤
The walk through memory lane via iTunes is amazing. Mugglecast, on the go playlists, syncing your iPod with someone else’s iTunes…I love how strange things feel now that once were so mundane that it wasn’t even worth talking about most of the time
I will admit, never watched the original Squid Game and I only watched the reality show because a deaf creator I loved was involved. Jackie, player 393. She’s an awesome content creator and has a small business with her sister. She wasn’t included until the last half of episodes besides the opening, probably because she didn’t bleed into the storylines the show wanted to pursue until the last few people were remaining. In the end she didn’t make it to the finale and although I’m glad she was included as a deaf person of color I feel like I would have wanted her perspective in the earlier challenges.
Jordan’s feelings on EDS are literally word for word how growing up with EDs I also felt and and feel now and that’s really great to hear someone else express that exact feeling of “selfishness” even when it really it’s stupid is just really great to hear thanks y’all love the feels love the other things also!
I mean the squid game gameshow is just the definition of a lack media literacy, they could copy all of the subject matter really well but somehow missed all subtext. Or I guess they just don't care.
I'm losing my mind. I was reading comments on trailers and videos talking to the contestants (all of which are wearing their jumpsuits) and everyone is seemingly unaware of how cruel and evil the show is. They're all just loving the show and the drama between people and arguing that other people should have won, and NOBODY is talking about how the show is fundamentally sick and twisted.
Jarvis thanks for talking about your experience with exorcise and weight. Hearing you say “I don’t think about where I’m not, because I’m on the path.” And “I got in shape before”, has honestly changed my mind set. I used to go to the gym 3 times a week before 2020, and I haven’t been since and have been hesitant because I’m not in the shape I used to be. This is motivating me to go back and make my body more able again!
ive never heard someone explain their body like Jarvis did and honestly it brings this positive energy to me to hear, "i want my body to be something i take care of and exist in, but i dont want it to be something i think about" ME TOO!! ive never ever heard someone contextualize that feeling
You guys talking about iTunes makes me soooo nostalgic for 2006. I miss it. 😭 I will also age myself and say that RealOne Player was my absolute go-to before that and it took me a long time to make the switch. 😅
So when i first watched squid game i did so purely from an entertainment, like, ooh fun horror game show perspective and honestly i didnt like it. I was actively comparing it to Alice in Borderland which has similar mechanics but is done on a much bigger scale and i loved that show. Then i watched commentaries and learned more korean and more about korean history and culture and i really came to appreciate it as a work of art. I started really thinking abt all these little details and how so much is being communicated thru every choice the director makes. When i watched it again, it was like watching it for the first time… and i loved it! Now its one of my favorite shows. To see it turn into this is… devastating
Jarvis thank you for sharing your experience with your surgery!! So many guys feel ashamed & it’s so normal. Everyone deserves to feel good in their body.
only 20 mins in, but a couple things: 1) i too had GPM in 2014! originally also got it for the music upload option, which does still exist! it's split out from the rest of the app so you do have to specifically look for them and add them to playlists, but it is still there and easily the best thing about youtube music now 2) love the utada hikaru shoutout. even if don't listen to a lot of new music, i still absolutely recommend checking out her new albums, particularly either Fantome or BAD MODE. she continues to make amazing music.
I started watching an episode of sadboyz and now I'm 3eps in and I love it. Don't usually like podcasts, but listening to two genuinely decent people talk about mental health and relevant topics is so enjoyable
I think the whole black blood pouch thing was so they could air it in different countries. In alot of places red blood is enough to bump up the rating from pg to r.
Grief is a cycle, not linear. Sometimes shows up as a bigger cycle, sometimes smaller but it’s always there with no end point. Your healing is a buffer around the cycle. xx
lemme just say: the whole health update stuff is so... validating. I have had trouble with depression and meds and executive function and having my routines disturbed and just hearing people talk about it - especially people I percieve as successful - makes me feel like less of a freak. And i havent even listened to *most* of the episode yet!
I loved your breakdown of Squid Game: The Challenge so much. I do not want to watch it, but I have heard some of the controversy and was interested in knowing more. This video dropped at the perfect time. Thank you!
jarvis thank you for talking about the medication problems - i had SO many issues with pharmacies and getting adderall/vyvanse this past year and a half, and i felt like i was being childish in a way?? the one email that needs to get sent is SUCH a real thing. i hope you continue to be on the right track!!! apparently im live commenting through edits - the exercise/weight conversation was also super important to me, a now-retired college athlete who's gained weight and struggled with establishing a workout routine again. i appreciate your vulnerability guys
I decided to watch the squid game show, I agree with everything said about it, but i wanted to say that gganbu gang made me smile so many times throughout the show. 232, gramps, was such a kind old man, and i was so happy to see him continue through most of the show. Those guys were the saving grace, they always chose honor over wins, as any good person should.
Re Squid Game's production: Amazing that on a show where people are expected to be put into torturous conditions, they did not do a thorough, thoughtful construction of what literally any medical help would look like. The moment it's needed to a degree that they can't tastefully hide it like anything else that makes us feel for these people as actual people, they have to throw together some impeding plan that put their cast at real risk over profits and "good television." This absolutely doesn't work as a reality show with the way they're not allowed to, y'know, violate their cast's rights to safety and life for a big sack of money.
Shelley Duvall on numerous occasions pushed back against the rumours of Kubrick abusing her through the process. She was definitely pushed too hard, but she insisted that it had been played out by media. Hard to say if that's a response as result of the abuse or not, but I thought I'd mention!
Trans man fan- thanks Jarvis for being vulnerable and sharing about your gynocomastia surgery first of all, and then for calling it gender affirming care. It's so huge to normalize that people all over the gender spectrum get gender affirming procedures.
It was nice to hear your perspective on your gynecomastia surgery. I went through the same thing and I've never heard anyone else talk about it, let alone relate to it. It's not life threatening like you said but mine was painful to the touch and I was just very uncomfortable in my body because of it.
As someone with anxiety who primarily experiences anxiety attacks while in public settings it pisses me off to find out that that guy was being portrayed as dramatic for literally just having an anxiety/panic attack. Ive had similar experiences where ppl assume im just being dramatic n its literally caused me to feel like i have to explain myself mid anxiety attack whenever i have one around others bc i dont want ppl assuming im overreacting or doing it on purpose. It actually pisses me off so much that that mentality could be perpetuated to the audience thru this moment on the show.
The convo at the end about commuting so much that you feel like you don't have a life is exactly what I'm going through right now in LA. Unfortunately the housing/apartments where I work is insanely expensive compared to what I make.
thank you for reminding me to go get my meds edit: as an enby person who got top surgery, I have never regretted it once and I actively think about how happy it makes me everyday
The debate about plastic surgery surrounding Matt Rife sucks. I’ve had jaw surgery - maxillofacial surgery - that completely changed my face and made me more conventionally pretty. I have had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis since I was 3 and it had severely damaged my jaw. It’s very common in girls with JRA. That surgery was such a huge life changing experience that I’m still sensitive about. Hearing people demonize maxillofacial surgery has been extremely unpleasant. Thank you so much for pointing out that just because Rife acts shitty doesn’t mean suddenly we can all comment on his body. People can’t be pleased - if someone doesn’t have a nice jawline or chin, they’ll make fun of that, but if they do something to fix it, they’ll make fun of that to. Criticize Matt Rife for appropriate reasons, not anything and everything.
Speaking of rare MP3s, for the longest time I didn't know what the real version of Linkin Park's Points of Authority because for some reason I had an alternative version downloaded that I later learned to be called Vertical Limit
1:13:49 i went to a screening of Rocky Horror for halloween and part of the show is the host yelling jokes the whole movie, at one point he made a nickleback joke and nobody laughed but a couple people yelled “come on man nicklebacks cool” it was awesome
I love how Squid Game is explicitly a critique of capitalism and how the elite will take advantage of the lower class and treat them as nothing more than entertainment, and then Netflix ignored all that and made a reality show.
It's like when the Hunger Games movies first came out and everyone was focusing on the love story for Katniss instead of y'know, children being murdered, which is exactly what was happening in the book.
"One may dye their hair green and wear their grandma's coat all they want. Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead."
@@littleleakyleakythere if this is an argument against critique it’s terrible but if it’s a general statement that’s fair
@punkyjewster2350 It's from Disco Elysium, greatest game with a ton of themes about socialism.
We’re gonna get a Netflix Hunger Games reality show starring a lineup of people from the Circle, Love is Blind, Too Hot To Handle, etc… I hope Chloe wins
@@nickv1212 one of the greatest games ever, genuinely. if you're reading this play Disco Elysium
I like how Jordan is conserving his energy by rendering at a lower framerate
Okay I'm two beers in and I thought my brain was doing that
@@SabrlInasame
I thought I was seeing stuff
I thought my computer was having problems JEEEEZ
My internet's been broken for the past few days so I'm using my phone's hotspot and I thought my connection was just being ass, thanks for confirming that it's not just me 😂
The whole point of the original Squid Game series was a critique of the lengths people being crushed under capitalism will go to in order to find relief. It’s discouragingly unaware to then go and make that a reality show, let alone then try and cut corners in production costs and mistreat contestants to save money.
I wouldn't say "unaware", because I can't imagine they're so dense that the critique is lost on them. I'd say it's much more likely that they just don't care - apathy/evil than cluelessness hah
it did seem really fucking weird to me. i haven’t seen squid game, but from what i’ve heard about it it sounded like it was anti-capitalism and criticizing things like that designed to take advantage of people who are in the position that they’d need to participate in something like that. i don’t know what netflix execs thought they were doing by literally making the game. scary.
@@he.said.teenjiejerThey were thinking that they could make money off a trend, and that's all they really care about.
Netflix's next big idea involves creating a dinosaur themepark
@@beybladebabyI’m SO glad that’s not possible, because if they could they definitely would
Gender affirming care should be covered for everyone, even the cis.
My dad got super depressed and had zero energy, and basically was just all around miserable in every way after his testosterone levels dropped since he is in his 40s now, and his doctor said he wouldn't prescribe it because his levels were normal, mind you they were at the low end of "normal" and clearly it was causing him problems that impeded his ability to take care of himself and live the same life he had been before. He kept pushing and pushing and the doctor finally told him, look if i give you this, which i won't, you will be paying out of pocket because insurance will not pay for it. It was somewhere around $800 PER MONTH for the prescription. He orders it online for $200 for an 8 week supply... :/
@@hebedite4865 did he get super depressed because he stopped taking steroids
@@hebedite4865checkout cost plus drugs and see if it's there. Super affordable shit
Kiss your self
Trade offer: you get free rogaine, we get trans rights
i love when cis people talk openly about their own gender affirming procedures because they can be helpful for everyone
Absolutely! Gender euphoria is not just for us
It helps normalize it, like it’s not JUST for trans people, it’s for anyone. Gender affirmation surgery and hormone treatment encapsulates sooooo many things that can easily apply to cis people too. It’s so cool ❤
In the "gym" community it has quite recently become more accepted to talk about body dysphoria, how many do it because they dont feel good in their own body and for many it doesn't really help, likely because of social ideas of how you should look, very much like how young women get pressure from models
I hope we as a species/society learn more about accepting ourselves and learn to be proud of ourselves for the changes we decide to make in the future, so we don't constantly walk around just feeling the bad thoughts about our own bodies
I don't think getting testostetone when you have low testosterone is gender affirming. It's like your brain not producing enough of a chemical Soo you need the vyvanse . It's just making feel normal.
@@HerOwnKnifeit's body dysmorphia more than gender dysphoria. Like what Matt Mercer has.
Jarvis's framerate being slightly off is giving me into the spiderverse vibes
it's like that hobie guy or whatever being in different framerates in different scenes
It is not charity to pay people for their labor. The people on this show are performers who did a job that is generating revenue for somebody and they deserve to be compensated for it. I just assumed that they were all being paid to hear that they weren't is insane. It's completely unconscionable. How is there not a lawsuit yet?
I just want to say that as a trans man it's very gender affirming to hear Jarvis talk about his gynecomastia surgery
what he is describing is literally how gender dysphoria feels for me
Yes! Same here
My brother is in great shape and deeply ashamed of his gynecomastia and won't ever take his shirt off, I'm the only he's ever talked to about it. I also really appreciate Jarvis being open about it. We need to normalize having these conversations.
same , i felt so ...idk AFFIRMED
@@tylersage8891 Get your endocrine system checked. It's probably all the plastic in your food. You're not trans. That's not real
The bootstraps phrase was originally actually a critique of people with the attitude it now represents and the point was that it’s impossible
Regardless of whether or not you win, regardless of whether or not they're screening specifically for people with sad stories or difficult situations to exploit, they are performing, it is labor. Even putting aside the getting hypothermia on the tarmac thing. The idea of anyone in these types of shows not being compensated at all for their hours upon hours of labor is insane. It should be required they pay people.
Yeah I'm pretty sure being required to show up and complete tasks for a project that you will be removed from if you fail to perform is the definition of a job
I might need to fact-check myself here but I feel like the old competition shows back in the day like American Idol usually at least had smaller payouts for contestants that made it past the auditions to the audience-voting stage. At the rate they're cranking out game shows now, I doubt they have the kind of capital to throw around like they used to, but if they can't at least afford to compensate people who are already financially struggling for their time and labor, they shouldn't be making these shows.
Legit like not even minimum wage?? People on jury duty get paid for the time, and they don't get paid enough and it's a whole issue, but bc of that I would have assumed game show contestants are paid a wage like?? Also the fact that they were fed gross food is so messed up.
@@aliciad270 and they put a spotlight on a woman who literally quit her real life job to be on that show only to show her get kicked off
at this point in the world time is money. wasting my time? pay me
Fun fact: the rock also had to get that opperation, he even had to wrestle for months with a shirt on. Hope that makes jarvis feel a bit better
I’ve definitely always pegged Jarvis to be someone to be comforted by the similarity between his and the Rock’s journeys.
@@Hambonehoven sometimes if I'm not paying attention or I squint, I'm like "whoa! Is that Dwayne Johnson on the sad boyz podcast?! Based!" And then I realize it's just Jarvis
yeah!! i saw a video about him and that’s how i learned about gynecomastia’s existence. it was so comforting as a trans guy to know that like it’s something any guy could be experiencing and i’m less alone (beyond having the trans community lol)
Damn, I did not know that!
We absolutely need more cis people’s stories about gender affirming care, to normalize it and make it more clear that it’s literally for anyone, and not anything weird or wrong. It’s surprisingly common for all kinds of people.
I’m so sick of people demonizing it because they’re dumbass transphobes with no brain.
based of jarvis to refer to it as gender affirming care, cause it like normalizes this, and makes it not just "a trans thing", made me super happy to hear as a trans person myself.
i fucking loved that too lol its very nice to hear stuff like that being normalised by cis peeps
It was SO so nice to hear!! Both for the world’s sake and for his own!
Jordan explaining the torture of the shame cycle that comes with executive dysfunction with that thirst analogy resonated so deeply with me. This podcast offers such important neurodivergent representation and visibility. ❤️
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt kind of weird about this being a gameshow.
I wanna say they missed the entire point but no, capitalist corporation gonna capitalism and all that 💀 they are the problem and they're wholly unapologetic about it
Totally there with you
Yeah they missed they entire point of the show, even just conceptually it's so bizarre 😭
It's how it's the very thing the original critiques, but also, why did they fake die💀💀💀
I felt really uncomfortable about most of the stuff that came as a result of squid game like all the merch and stuff felt a little gross considering the purpose and topic of the original show
It's insane how they didn't realize it was a bad idea to make a squid reality show. The second episode of squid game, where they get to escape from the horrifying games and live there normal lives for the entire episode is literally titled ''HELL"
Loved hearing Jarvis talk about his surgery! I'm a cis woman who had a breast reduction back in 2018 and I relate to the feeling of thinking about it every single day and being so happy I did it. Even though you'd think the opposite for someone like me, it did feel very gender affirming somehow.
i feel like as a woman with large breasts, your breasts become your identity. you’re known as the one with big tits and that can be very dehumanizing. i’m sure having both the literal and figurative weight lifted was incredibly liberating!
it can totally be gender affirming care just depends on the person yeah ha
@@megan-mr9vk Totally! And when you say "weight" you're dead on, I grew nearly an inch taller because my spine was finally able to expand ☠️
@@christinar.7955 whoa a whole inch taller? I'm shocked!
@@Chachixo I was too! I was always 5'3 (plus a negligible quarter inch-ish) and then about 6 months post-op I went to the doctor and they told me I was 5'4. I don't know the exact weight of what all was removed, but I went from wearing a 36I (as in "indigo") to a 34C.
As a cis guy with horrible body dysmorphia and gyno (debating surgery for years) I am so relieved to hear Jarvis talk about his experience.
Yeah, the show was wild. I appreciate y’all’s thoughts and kind words. If you guys have anymore questions about the show or want to connect with other competitors, let me know. I deeply appreciate your content
Also, I want to add that I’m extremely grateful for my experience on the show. I formed friendships there that I’m confident will last my lifetime. And facing intense stress in that situation has began a new period of growth for me. I’m fortunate that the people I went there with the intention to win the money for have begun to improve their financial situation and are no longer in need of that money. Anyways, I could talk about the show for hours. I’m grateful for all. I wish you the best 💛 lmk if you have any questions
grateful for you spencer!!
I'm really curious if you have had the chance to unpack this experience with a professional yet? The makings of the situation have the potential to produce quite the fawning response. I am glad you are feeling better ❤
I really hope you’re doing alright!
Would love to see you with the boyz :3
As someone with an anxiety disorder I can really empathize with Spencer; whenever I have a panic attack I get incredibly nauseous, and half of the time I do gag and eventually throw up, and it’s painful on the stomach, the literal meaning of stomach churning. I can’t imagine having this kind of reaction in front of hundreds of constants, actors, and crew members, then having that moment seen and mocked by millions of people, it’s an utter nightmare.
As someone who has been mocked and ridiculed publicly many times when having anxiety or panic attacks, I feel so terrible for Spencer. It's always seen as "overreacting" or "ruining and making a big deal out of nothing", and I hope more people, especially the show runners, get more considerate over stuff like this. But I doubt it.
I mostly just avoid Twitter. Only people with kind and affirming words have found me on Insta. A lot was going on in the moment for sure but I feel grateful for the experience as a whole at this point. Let me know if you have any questions
Yeah it's not making a "big deal" I'm trying my best to control myself.
And worse is the accusation that it's "attention seeking behavior" when I'd really prefer to be invisible at the time!
Seriously shaking, sweating, coughing and throwing up....
Yeah I JUST wanted all eyes on me for that! 🙄
@@Spencer_299glad to hear it wasn't too traumatic for you.
And that you're still in a place of gratitude!
You're made of tougher stuff than me!
Would you say your experience as a whole was a mostly positive one?
@@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066 I’d for sure say it was mostly positive. I joke with my friends that while lots of people have seen me on the show or in a meme, I’m still not recognized in public much. I just joke that it’s because people don’t know what I look like when I’m smiling 😅 and though it may be hard to believe from my reaction on the show, I’m smiling most of the time
Honestly I think it would solve so many problems about reality TV if participants had to be paid an hourly wage - even minimum wage would be a start, I just can't believe producers think it's ok to have these people working 24/7 for free
one of the worst things about squid game the game show is living with the knowledge that I would absolutely put my life on the line for that kind of money.
that is not only life changing money. that is life MAKING money. I would LITERALLY never have to worry about money again. I hate the things that I would do for that money, all while the producers have ten times that wealth, and I think thats what makes this show so cruel.
edit: also those bunk beds are terrifying. I have a crippling fear of heights and if I was assigned a high bunk I would not sleep the entire time.
The whole "I don't want to think about my body" part was put so well, that's something I go through almost every day and that put it into words perfectly
The squid game gameshow is a perfect example of a phenomenon I named: "the Robo-cop effect". It's a specific ludo-narrative dissonance I've noticed in a lot of media. It's when a piece of media with revolutionary/subversive themes and is subsequently co-opted by the oppressing group (usually capitalism). The original media keeps the revolutionary themes in writing, but the media has become what it originally fought against. (Robocop originally has strong anti-capitalist and anti-celebrity themes. And then executives made a Robocop children's animated show, a concept that the original movie criticized)
i really like that. kinda reminds me of what happened to disco elysium
Not dissimilar to what happened with rambo- originally an anti vietnam war narrative turned sylvester stallone going ham with machine guns cuz thats what made the money
That's a big part of the essay Cool Capitalism; and the really insidious part is that it doesn't even need to be a planned effort to subvert any sort of revolutionary movement. anti-capitalism has a sort of cachet on account of how it taps into a major concern that pretty much everyone has; so OF COURSE someone's gonna come along and try to bottle it up and sell our discontent back to us
At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus.
The term I'm familiar with for it is "recuperation". It also applies to other things, like grunge and emo.
i was watching the squid games challenge today and it was almost upsetting watching people's hands shake during the dalgona challenge like they were actually going to be shot. the way they'd break into tears when they succeeded. it just felt...strange. it was so bizarre
It made me sick, these people are being subjected to some crazy shit and the way it's shot just leaves a bad taste in your mouth. The amount of full on sobbing in that game was not normal or should be acceptable to subject people to.
This podcast is so unmistakably ADHD coded. "we lost the plot there" is what I say every time I try to tell any story. God bless
20 segues later..."what were we talking about?"
@@ElleDiablo"why did I say iPhone?"
I have ADHD, and this podcast, and Brain Leak are so unbelievably relatable because both podcasts are just two dudes with really bad ADHD trying to maintain a consistent conversation for an hour, and failing miserably 😂
And Jarvis' lists?
@@tylerc5021 lmao "okay so we're talking about eggs, because I said chicken, we were talking about chickens because the guy is from Kentucky..." right before "Ohhh! The French Revolution!!"
Trans guy here. I started watching y’all towards the beginning of my transition, and today I had a dysphoria-related spiral and when I was coming out of it the first thing I saw was your video. Thank you so much Jarvis for talking about your experiences with gynecomastia. I know our experiences are very different, but hearing these creators I look up to so much talk honestly about these issues is so healing and affirming. Ty for being a safe space I can always come to to cheer up ❤
Afab enby here, hope you’re doin ok and continue to improve. You got this 🫶🏻❤
Gender affirming care is for anyone, and more people need to realize how important it is, and normalize it.
i started watching them at the beginning of my transition too! (trans gal)
hearing jordan struggling to describe the guy skipping over joey scenes got me cracking up, if I were there I wouldve cried laughing too lmaooo its just too absurd and unexpected
2 and a half hours with the boys?? I’m so ready for this
Legit
It's so interesting hearing about the gynecomastia as a trans guy-Jarvis describes dysphoria really well. I distinctly remember watching Jarvis's super long BOTW streams while I was just recovering from my top surgery, so his voice is always associated with post-op euphoria, to me :)
the segment about “if your throat is so dry but you cannot get up for water it is not laziness” part by jordan helped me, as someone who’s about to go on antidepressants the validation about needing meds in your podcast is always so comforting
As a nonbinary person it makes me feel so much more validated to know that Jarvis got gender affirming surgery.
Same! I’m so proud of how he described it all. It was so perfectly worded 🥹❤️
It's not gender affirming though? It's for a. Body dysmorphia not a gender dysphoria
@@Donovarkhallum he literally described it as gender affirming
@@susie8799I didn't get that vibe. I just heard I lost weight but this hardened fat on my chest wouldnt Go away so I got it removed. Like if you lost a lotta weight but a bit was stubborn and once. It was gone. You were able. To see the fruit of the effort and enjoy the way you look more. It never seemed like he had any issues with his manliness or gender before or after the surgery. It's by definition body dysmorphia but you do you.
@@Donovarkhallum 28:32
I fell out of my bed laughing when the jump cut from 2:05:02 happened because Jordan goes from lounging to deeply staring into my soul. XD
😭😭😭
I appreciated the talk about body image and medical choices. As a dental student I can also say orthodontics are so powerful for changing someone’s self image and it also can really help with the actual function of their mouth; whether it be with chewing, grinding your teeth, etc… I wish it was more accessible here in the US. It’s outrageous how little is covered by medical and dental insurance.
I really believe that there can be a change in dental healthcare accessibility - dental works similarly here in australia. I gotta thank you for going into the field, i think its people in the field with your empathetic mindset thatll have the power to make those accessibility improvements
I can't remember where I heard teeth referred to as "luxury bones" in the eyes of insurance but it's so true. Somehow because dentistry is a newer field than general medicine mouth/tooth/jaw health is considered completely unrelated to the rest of your body
My mom works at a university and her staff ID gets her (and her immediate family) free bus fare. I think every single employer should cover the cost of commute.
Coming back to this video to say I just got a video on my tiktok for you page of a woman describing her experience on this show. Her screen name was simply her first name and then her three digit number. It felt incredibly dystopian in a way I don't know how to articulate.
really cool to hear jarvis talk about that surgery and how similar a lot of the related feelings and experiences are to mine as a transmasculine person
Thank you Jarvis for being so earnest about your gyno surgery. I’m still early into my transition and have been considering top surgery. Top surgery is intimidating and very stigmatized, it’s affirming to hear your perspective and satisfaction with the procedure. I really appreciate you and Jordan empathizing your support for trans people.
i’m a trans guy who just got top surgery and i’ve been wearing the post op compression top and it’s mentally so different than a regular chest binder. it really is that i finally feel connected with my body like never before that i don’t even care about the current discomfort from the garment
ahhh congrats !! can't wait for that feeling, i have mine coming up in 6 months 🫢🫢 also it's so funny seeing the trans community gathered in the sad boyz comment section 😭 anyway good luck with recovery man happy for you 💪🏼💪🏼
@@kiri_tm Thanks!! I am actually one month post op today!! It’s absolutely the best thing i’ve ever done. I’m super excited for you!!! In my experience those six months simultaneously fly by and drag on so slow. Good luck with your operation and recovery as well!! It is really awesome to see the trans community here, love that we can find comfort in them
Your description of Squid Game made me realise there's some allegory for the Korean War in there with the financiers being mainly western capitalists using and causing korean suffering for their own entertainment.
My philosophy is: If people are working and providing you monetary value, you should pay them
not wanting to Be Aware of your body is the biggest mood; I'm a cis woman & I Want Them Off for similar reasons!! there's a way I want to look+feel that I can't even achieve by binding, and it definitely makes me a little >:/ about being perceived at all by other people, or even just. existing in physical space, lol. love when I get to hear about someone Dealing With something that was bothering them like that + reaping the benefits !
I get that the justification for having these contestants on without paying them or compensating their time is the potential 4 million reward. But I think that is a flawed one, these contestants are supplying the entirety of your plotlines, drama, everything. You do not have the show without them.
They deserve some sort of base rate or payment for appearing on the show with then the potential to win the reward, that pays for the time and investment many of these people have to give in to just appear on the show and hopefully does a bit more on top. This shouldn't be a 'You should be happy for this opportunity' type situation.
Yep they don't even meet the criteria for contractors since they have to show up at specific times and the business depends on them to function
Hey this is a really beautiful episode I’m a woman and I feel like it’s so hard to reconcile literally hating the body I’m in bc it doesn’t feel like it belongs to me and divesting my mentality from the systemic pressures of ableism and fatphobia I haven’t figured out the solution to this reconciliation but it’s nice I’m not the only one who just doesn’t feel like the ideas connect
I’m nonbinary, but not even related to my identity, my weight was such a huge problem in my life, and when I had weight loss surgery and not only lost a ton of weight, I just felt healthier and more like I was finally in a body I could relate to more. It changed my life so much ❤
@@KingbimmyThe layered dysphoria of gender and weight is a goddamn nightmare. I'm glad to hear you're feeling more like yourself ❤
yeah i definitely can relate its such a complex like thought process it feels silly that theres such a straightforward solution! but im glad your experience turned out for the better!
thank you for thinking about the squid games in a real life way instead of a detached viewpoint. I listen to Cody and noel and I really like them and have nothing against them but the way they talked about it as a reality show instead of the original squid games being created in real life makes me a little sick to my stomach. the fact that the show even is able to exist in real life is not a funny thing, its a critical failure of the system we live in to provide for those who are struggling.
The Squid Game reality show is somehow the fundamental distillation of everything wrong with reality TV, and TV networks as a whole.
This applies to both versions as well
What worked so well about the honeycomb segment of squid game was no one knew what they were picking shapes for
In the challenge of course no one wants umbrella, the element of surprise is no longer there, if they wanted that reveal to still work sort of they would've randomly assigned the shape instead of having them choose.
this is what I was thinking! they should have made it like a lucky draw or something instead of having them literally fight. it was probably like that for the drama of the show but a lucky draw still could've been dramatic if they edited it well enough.
Jordan losing his shit at telling the Wacom man story is tremendous. Stories with uncontrollable laughter are the best.
as someone with an eerily similar combination of adhd/depression/anxiety symptoms as Jarvis i can't overstate how encouraging it's been to listen to u guys :,) just started my own treatment recently and it feels like we're on the meds journey together lol
Happy to say Sad Boyz was my top podcast this year, listened for around 23k minutes. I'm determined to make it my top podcast again next year!
This podcast means a lot to me, and I dont expect Jordan and Jarvis to ever see this but hearing the sad boyz talk about their feelings has helped me to get better at expressing mine. This pod has gotten me through a lot of really tough times and I cannot think everyone involved enough for all of the effort they put into this podcast.
Thank you for chapters ❤ some episodes my feelings aren't ready to handle others' so it's nice
i so deeply love jordan's laugh attack here 56:58
I super love how authentic and open you are about your mental health and general body stuff. I think it's really important for dudes to normalize both doing the feelings and body stuff. Your generation really is helping society progress.
i think the matt rife update is particularly funny bc hes got so many clips of how if someone says something mean about him he tries to make them cry and how he'll hit them back way harder than they hit him but that was the best he could do to a tiktok surgeon
I make fun of rife's appearance specifically cuz he very constantly is *telling* us he's attractive and I don't think he is. I do see a funny correlation between the same people who say "comedians tell jokes get over it" and "attacking his appearance is uncalled for" -- I think he can take the comments if he's making "apology bait" that is punching down unapologetically. by his own logic he needs to get over it.
thank u for so eloquently explaining how gender affirming care doesnt exclusively extend to ppl under the trans umbrella jarvis!!!💖💖💖
Jarvis: He's got a great name....uh...
Jordan: Jor-dan?
Me: Nice, brother.*Raises hand for high five*
this was funny before i got to that part and it’s even funnier with context
Jordan laughing about the guy watching Friends is my new favorite thing.
Jarvis, thank you so much for illustrating that spikey moods could be fixed by medications... I'm gonna bookmark this to fight my executive dysfunction and try harder to find a psych that will take my new (late 30s!) ADHD diagnosis seriously.
I teach HIGH SCHOOL and I get like that and I am AWARE I am cranky and damn if those kids this year aren't on me about it. (They are very kind, but it is sad to hear that they notice when I'm not in a great mood.) It sucks to be aware of it and not know what to do about it.
It’s not charity, these people are providing the entertainment. They are essentially performers… they should just be paid for their time, especially when they have to take off their primary income. Say what you will about mr beast but he paid people to quarantine, paid people a rate to be in the shoot, and offered a prize to pretty much everyone even if it’s not straight up cash. I live in the town he shoots around in NC and he treats his shoots very professionally
im in top surgery recovery rn and i've been listening to all the sad boyz patreon episodes i've missed cause of school so it's cool that this is the epsiode where jarvis talked about having a similar surgery :-)
There's something in there about how it's not "life threatening" physically persay; however, mentally?? Totally different story. And quality of life should play a bigger role as well.
Yes, I would absolutely say poor mental health is life threatening and not just because of the risk of self harm
I personally suffered from gynecomastia since puberty and listening to you talking about what it was like living with it was like staring into a mirror. I was so self conscious and was something that I would think about every. single. day. It honestly hindered my willingness to have intimate relationships. No matter how much weight I lost and how many people would tell me how good I looked, I still saw myself completely different. Getting the surgery was one of the best things I could have done for my self esteem. It was definitely more for me than for anyone else but I’ve had no desire to get another surgery and the feeling of having this issue no longer plaguing my mind was truly something I’m grateful for. Thanks for sharing your story. And thanks for affirming we’re all simply living each others lives lol
26:53 what jordan said about meds allowing you to be happy instead of making you happy immediately is SO true and i'm SO glad someone mentioned it!!!! it took me so unbelievably long to find the right meds & a pretty big reason for that was because i wasn't immediately feeling better (spoiler: i wasn't doing literally anything else)
I got a hysterectomy yesterday to both treat some ongoing medical issues and also affirm my gender and it’s so nice to hear from some of my favorites about normalizing gender affirming care.
Kind of wish they did "Squid games: The resort" and had 10-12 contestants on a swanky resort, so it could contrast against the challenges. you could then get to know the constants better, and for those who don't win at least they got to have cocktails in a spa or something actually nice instead of frostbite and lost wages.
Yes and also they should’ve researched childhood games from the states to use so there is that element of surprise, nostalgia, and game planning that they’re missing since they’re just ripping off the original.
@@merryberry6576 Yes! That's another great way they could have made it better
@@merryberry6576 Or even games from around the world to keep them more on their toes
I recently closed the gap in my teeth as its been something that made me really insecure my whole life. I stopped smiling as much and was hyper-aware everytime I spoke or laugh. The mere thought of someone even looking at them made me panic. Now that it's closed the people closest to me are constantly telling me they miss my gap or asking me why I closed it. The comments are a little frustrating because people are mourning something that has been a source of anxiety for me. Although I wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone, it's so reassuring to hear my feelings being expressed by someone else and being validated in them.❤
The walk through memory lane via iTunes is amazing. Mugglecast, on the go playlists, syncing your iPod with someone else’s iTunes…I love how strange things feel now that once were so mundane that it wasn’t even worth talking about most of the time
I will admit, never watched the original Squid Game and I only watched the reality show because a deaf creator I loved was involved. Jackie, player 393. She’s an awesome content creator and has a small business with her sister. She wasn’t included until the last half of episodes besides the opening, probably because she didn’t bleed into the storylines the show wanted to pursue until the last few people were remaining. In the end she didn’t make it to the finale and although I’m glad she was included as a deaf person of color I feel like I would have wanted her perspective in the earlier challenges.
Jordan’s feelings on EDS are literally word for word how growing up with EDs I also felt and and feel now and that’s really great to hear someone else express that exact feeling of “selfishness” even when it really it’s stupid is just really great to hear thanks y’all love the feels love the other things also!
I mean the squid game gameshow is just the definition of a lack media literacy, they could copy all of the subject matter really well but somehow missed all subtext. Or I guess they just don't care.
I'm losing my mind. I was reading comments on trailers and videos talking to the contestants (all of which are wearing their jumpsuits) and everyone is seemingly unaware of how cruel and evil the show is. They're all just loving the show and the drama between people and arguing that other people should have won, and NOBODY is talking about how the show is fundamentally sick and twisted.
Maybe the 100th episode was just the friends we made along the way 😔
It makes me wonder if Netflix even watched their own show.
This has been maybe the hardest year I've ever had. So thankful that I found Sad boyz. Congratz on 100 episodes!
Jarvis thanks for talking about your experience with exorcise and weight. Hearing you say “I don’t think about where I’m not, because I’m on the path.” And “I got in shape before”, has honestly changed my mind set. I used to go to the gym 3 times a week before 2020, and I haven’t been since and have been hesitant because I’m not in the shape I used to be. This is motivating me to go back and make my body more able again!
Great to hear y’all talk about medication together in this way makes me(and other depressives) feel seen.
It's like they thought the only thing wrong with squidgame was that people died, instead of the really psicological torture of the whole ordeal
ive never heard someone explain their body like Jarvis did and honestly it brings this positive energy to me to hear, "i want my body to be something i take care of and exist in, but i dont want it to be something i think about" ME TOO!! ive never ever heard someone contextualize that feeling
You guys talking about iTunes makes me soooo nostalgic for 2006. I miss it. 😭
I will also age myself and say that RealOne Player was my absolute go-to before that and it took me a long time to make the switch. 😅
So when i first watched squid game i did so purely from an entertainment, like, ooh fun horror game show perspective and honestly i didnt like it. I was actively comparing it to Alice in Borderland which has similar mechanics but is done on a much bigger scale and i loved that show. Then i watched commentaries and learned more korean and more about korean history and culture and i really came to appreciate it as a work of art. I started really thinking abt all these little details and how so much is being communicated thru every choice the director makes. When i watched it again, it was like watching it for the first time… and i loved it! Now its one of my favorite shows.
To see it turn into this is… devastating
Jarvis thank you for sharing your experience with your surgery!! So many guys feel ashamed & it’s so normal. Everyone deserves to feel good in their body.
only 20 mins in, but a couple things:
1) i too had GPM in 2014! originally also got it for the music upload option, which does still exist! it's split out from the rest of the app so you do have to specifically look for them and add them to playlists, but it is still there and easily the best thing about youtube music now
2) love the utada hikaru shoutout. even if don't listen to a lot of new music, i still absolutely recommend checking out her new albums, particularly either Fantome or BAD MODE. she continues to make amazing music.
I started watching an episode of sadboyz and now I'm 3eps in and I love it. Don't usually like podcasts, but listening to two genuinely decent people talk about mental health and relevant topics is so enjoyable
I think the whole black blood pouch thing was so they could air it in different countries. In alot of places red blood is enough to bump up the rating from pg to r.
Grief is a cycle, not linear. Sometimes shows up as a bigger cycle, sometimes smaller but it’s always there with no end point. Your healing is a buffer around the cycle. xx
making it a reality show misses the whole point of the actual show and its kinda(very) sad...
lemme just say: the whole health update stuff is so... validating. I have had trouble with depression and meds and executive function and having my routines disturbed and just hearing people talk about it - especially people I percieve as successful - makes me feel like less of a freak.
And i havent even listened to *most* of the episode yet!
I loved your breakdown of Squid Game: The Challenge so much. I do not want to watch it, but I have heard some of the controversy and was interested in knowing more. This video dropped at the perfect time. Thank you!
jarvis thank you for talking about the medication problems - i had SO many issues with pharmacies and getting adderall/vyvanse this past year and a half, and i felt like i was being childish in a way?? the one email that needs to get sent is SUCH a real thing. i hope you continue to be on the right track!!!
apparently im live commenting through edits - the exercise/weight conversation was also super important to me, a now-retired college athlete who's gained weight and struggled with establishing a workout routine again. i appreciate your vulnerability guys
I decided to watch the squid game show, I agree with everything said about it, but i wanted to say that gganbu gang made me smile so many times throughout the show. 232, gramps, was such a kind old man, and i was so happy to see him continue through most of the show. Those guys were the saving grace, they always chose honor over wins, as any good person should.
Re Squid Game's production: Amazing that on a show where people are expected to be put into torturous conditions, they did not do a thorough, thoughtful construction of what literally any medical help would look like. The moment it's needed to a degree that they can't tastefully hide it like anything else that makes us feel for these people as actual people, they have to throw together some impeding plan that put their cast at real risk over profits and "good television." This absolutely doesn't work as a reality show with the way they're not allowed to, y'know, violate their cast's rights to safety and life for a big sack of money.
Shelley Duvall on numerous occasions pushed back against the rumours of Kubrick abusing her through the process. She was definitely pushed too hard, but she insisted that it had been played out by media. Hard to say if that's a response as result of the abuse or not, but I thought I'd mention!
Trans man fan- thanks Jarvis for being vulnerable and sharing about your gynocomastia surgery first of all, and then for calling it gender affirming care. It's so huge to normalize that people all over the gender spectrum get gender affirming procedures.
It was nice to hear your perspective on your gynecomastia surgery. I went through the same thing and I've never heard anyone else talk about it, let alone relate to it. It's not life threatening like you said but mine was painful to the touch and I was just very uncomfortable in my body because of it.
As someone with anxiety who primarily experiences anxiety attacks while in public settings it pisses me off to find out that that guy was being portrayed as dramatic for literally just having an anxiety/panic attack. Ive had similar experiences where ppl assume im just being dramatic n its literally caused me to feel like i have to explain myself mid anxiety attack whenever i have one around others bc i dont want ppl assuming im overreacting or doing it on purpose. It actually pisses me off so much that that mentality could be perpetuated to the audience thru this moment on the show.
The convo at the end about commuting so much that you feel like you don't have a life is exactly what I'm going through right now in LA. Unfortunately the housing/apartments where I work is insanely expensive compared to what I make.
thank you for reminding me to go get my meds
edit: as an enby person who got top surgery, I have never regretted it once and I actively think about how happy it makes me everyday
The debate about plastic surgery surrounding Matt Rife sucks. I’ve had jaw surgery - maxillofacial surgery - that completely changed my face and made me more conventionally pretty. I have had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis since I was 3 and it had severely damaged my jaw. It’s very common in girls with JRA. That surgery was such a huge life changing experience that I’m still sensitive about. Hearing people demonize maxillofacial surgery has been extremely unpleasant. Thank you so much for pointing out that just because Rife acts shitty doesn’t mean suddenly we can all comment on his body. People can’t be pleased - if someone doesn’t have a nice jawline or chin, they’ll make fun of that, but if they do something to fix it, they’ll make fun of that to. Criticize Matt Rife for appropriate reasons, not anything and everything.
Speaking of rare MP3s, for the longest time I didn't know what the real version of Linkin Park's Points of Authority because for some reason I had an alternative version downloaded that I later learned to be called Vertical Limit
1:13:49 i went to a screening of Rocky Horror for halloween and part of the show is the host yelling jokes the whole movie, at one point he made a nickleback joke and nobody laughed but a couple people yelled “come on man nicklebacks cool” it was awesome