Rick Fox was a dawg tho shout out to him I miss that Laker squad from the early 2000s. Liked it better than the Kobe led Lakers and the Bron led Lakers for sure and even more than the Magic and Kareem Lakers. I think that era of the Lakers had the most talent.
and shaq's big ass would give up a bunch points on pick and rolls and on the fast break he would be a defensive liability against that lethal kd warriors team
@@daylonthomas1723 you can't fall in love with the jump shot, no matter who you are, the likelihood of you missing is going to happen, everyone misses..
If they had a rule that if you repeat the same thing more than three times in a row your mic got muted, there would be no one left talking by the end of the show.
People forget most games Curry, KD and Klay weren't even playing in the 4th quarter due to their blowouts. So they averaged less ppg, imagine if they finished games.
Bro I was listening on Spotify .I had to come leave a comment, he us horrible for a sports show..he debates like a kid. He's like the "I know you are but what am I " kid in a roasting session
Nick would have won the argument if he knew this. The ONLY reason why the Lakers advanced to a game 7 versus the Kings is because of poor refs. Go look at the documentary on TH-cam about the refs! They called it the WORST game EVER officiated in the NBA🤨
Ppl need to learn the history of the game.... It's so beyond obvious who has actually watched full games before the LeBron/Durant/Steph era. These dudes basing everything off of clips. They also think that if you don't have a "bag" you couldn't play. The slander dudes like Bird, Mullen, Duncan get due to being fundamentally strong
Gil: Nick you never seen Shaq play Nick: ofc I’ve seen him play. I’m a Lakers fan. I watched the screen like you watched the screen. We both saw an old ass Shaq. Dying…🤣🤣🤣
Lakers Finals PPG (2000-2002): 2000 - 104.4 ppg 2001 - 98 ppg 2002 - 106.3 ppg Overall Average of 102.9 ppg Now the Warriors Finals PPG (2016-2018): 2016 - 104.1 ppg (No KD) 2017 - 121.6 ppg 2018 - 116 ppg Overall avg of 113.9 K Mart (like the bankrupt department store) logic of who is gonna guard Shaq falls flat on its face when the higher powered offense is on the other team.
@@donaldcarelock2526 not about the percentage of you give up 30 you didn’t lock anyone up period. You can say played good defense but locked up tf out of here
He didn’t really have a retort for why they struggled with an undersized Kings team. That Kings team is more similar to the Warriors than you think too. In ‘02 they definitely got hoed in a heavily scrutinized Game 6. Bring Chris Webber on to talk about that series then we’ll see if ‘Who won’ wins the argument.
@@christopherwilson6615 he did. That Kings team ain't giving GSW no problems. The point was, this idea that if you can't stop Shaq, you lose isn't true
@@pratikchaudhari6064 what does that have to do with skill ? don’t comment if you just a fan who sits and watch the game and never picked up a ball in your life
What era they playing in? They getting swept in '96 by the Bulls. Whereas, '96 Bulls look good to take at least 1 game, maybe 2, from Warriors in '17 or '18.
It's funny that kenyon brought up rockets missing 27 threes and completely forgets that the refs gave the Lakers 27 free throws in the 4th quarter against the kings 😂
@xDaPrincex I'm talking about the 2002 Lakers. If you haven't seen any videos on it, I would recommend searching one up, the fouls against the kings in the fourth quarter alone were so bad it was hilarious. There's a channel that talks about the 2002 kings and the infamous game 6 against LA. Their channel name is Synthetic sports. It's a good video that you should check out if you get the chance.
Nick Young's argument is valid and they didn't want to acknowledge it. If Sacramento took the Lakers to a Game 7 with that roster, imagine changing their PG to SC, SG to Klay and SF to KD. Easy clap
Sacramento had defenders that hustled big time. That year if they went to the NBA Finals they would have won the championship. Also they had Peja and Tokilou. Two of the best 3 pointers in the league that year. Webber at power forward was great and Bibby couldn't miss any shots. Best series we have ever seen
The Rockets took the warriors to game 7 and won because the rockets missed 27 consecutive 3 pointers. Nobody could’ve seen that coming. That’s how the warriors won.
Thay sac team was a problem because all 5 can score and they had multiple shooters starting and coming off the bench with turkoglu and bobby Jackson....Steph can't hide on offense and they would make draymond take a lot of the shots they will play off dray and trap whoever when dray is involve in the pick n roll
Yeah that 2000 team was loaded shaq , kobe ,Horace grant , ac green, Robert Horry, Devin George, Derek Fisher, Brian shaw , Ron harper , Rick fox , ty lue that bench was deep as fuck with 3 ball shooters
Maybe. You’re opinion. But it’s all on paper. No body would know unless it’s played. I say 72-10 bulls beat them all. It’s not just saying this matchup and that. It has to be played and schemed. I roll with any team that has Jordan on it. I do agree that Shaq is a problem for anyone, but it’s more than that
How tf do that make sense when he cant shoot freethrows tf yall think gon change about shaq game in this era? Yall slow or something? They fouled him the whole game back then just the same as they would now and he would average the same now.
@@TheFutureEvents KD and curry had a team full of all stars and still had close games against Euro League level randoms off the street. And they had LeGOAT on their team
@@JamesBond-iv5lpthey can do what pistons did and exploit Shaq defense with the pick and roll with rrip, chauchey and sheed taking long twos. And out run and shoot the lakers with Curry shooting deep and moving without the ball and using great ball movement will be very tough for those lakers teams since they faced archaic offense during those finals except the 2004 pistons and 2002 kings.
@@JamesBond-iv5lpno they wasn’t a great 3 point shooting team, they primarily took long twos, not shoot deep like the 2016 Warriors did but yeah they would be a better match up then Lakers because they ran a 90s style offense and nearly lost to the 2002 kings. I research their 3pt. Shooting, but pretty sure they just took long twos and Phil Jackson ripped their style with Gasol Kobe lakers. But Thibido 08 Celtics had a great defensive game plan that would not work against the 2016 Warriors because of the spacing and pace.
@@davidestick9936Nick didn’t deflect at all. Kenyon just realized he didn’t have a point so he kept repeating the same thing. The narrative with the Lakers team is always that nobody could touch them but history says otherwise.
Crazy seeing NBA players argue. . . . Missing the real arguing points. Style of play? The Shaq led Lakers played the halfcourt Triangle offense, throw the ball down to Shaq posting up to start the offense= slower paced offense, less shot attempts, lower scoring output. ** 2003 SA Spurs beat that Lakers team in the WCF 4-2 because they played an uptempo offense. had more scoring opportunities.** The GS Warriors with those players, played an uptempo offense= more shot attemps, more fast break points, more open 3's, less fouling. Shaq becomes more of a liability than an asset, just because of the fast paced Warriors. Prediction? GS would beat those Lakers 4-1, or 4-2 Styles make fights! 💯👑
And it’s insane that Kenyon is avoiding the fact that it’s been publicized that the officials pretty much purposely threw that game 7 for the lakers to win
That’s cap. They were sat down to show the fouls they were missing and held accountable for it. If you got refs deliberately missing calls and games are being lost, yes you call them out.
Same here but still love the passion. Nick never wanting to answer "whos guarding Shaq" 😂. Kobe getting whatever he wants. KD and lightning-quick-release Klay would be the Lakers biggest hurdle and unless they plan on setting 5 screens for Steph, Fischer will be all over him.
No lead is safe against that Warriors team at the end of the day.. the easy solution would be for the Warriors to push the pace to the point Shaq can’t even keep up. So when he has to sit, it’s all on Kobe and the Warriors can really run the score up before he even comes back in.
Even if your making all these 3's every possession the game is stopping because Shaq is getting fouled every time. The 3 point shot was the difference maker for Golden State because they were getting stops and make 3's. With Shaq down low they would put the Warriors in foul trouble so they wouldn't be running all game. And for the hoopers out there the game goes fast then slow its hard for you to get in rhythm. On top of that Phil Jackson is running circles around Steve Kerr
Why do keep saying Shaq is getting fouled every time. Refs did not call fouls for Shaq. He was so big that he didn’t get foul calls; refs were awful to Shaq.
LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince. And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
@@christianmorgan5956 Sounds good , but Shaq not knocking down free throws would be a problem. Plus the reason the warriors played fast is because they made the big man come out the paint to guard on the perimeter. Shaq having to do that all night is a problem.
@@christianmorgan5956except the warriors don't need to foul shaq to win. Let him have his TWO's. They are a fast paced team and when they're running up and down the court and around screens, shaq would be gassed out by the forth quarter
Kobe & Shaq was a problem but That warriors team was just unfair. Nobody can beat that team in a 7 game series. Not a chance! The commissioner shouldn't have even let that bs go down💯
The Warriors set the 73-9 all time best winning record, and after that they were allowed to add KD to the team. That's just stupid. In a long line of stupid things the commissioner has allowed to happen.
Lemme guess GSW was unfair bc lebron constantly lost to them😂 kawhi by himself on the spurs had them up by 20 in game 1 not saying they was gone win also cavs big 3 averaged more points then GSW big 3 yall try to rewrite history that GSW team was going to 7 games with the rockets
@@2rawww4tvkd I was one of many who stopped watching NBA basketball, when KD joined the Warriors. Everybody knew the Warriors were going to win the title, and they did win. They kept the same team for the next season, so no point in watching NBA basketball that season either. It saved the NBA that KD and Klay got injured in their 3rd season together, and they split up.
Swag won this argument!!!. Old timers always want to use the stats when it works in there favor.. Since they want to use stats, the most important stat is, Warriors avg 116pts per game to the Lakers 106. The Warriors turned the ball over less and shot a higher FG percentage. So if you use the Stats Warriors would win.
can't even use stats to compare these teams, the rules are different, the game is looser today and have way more possessions, that why with these arguments I always ask what rules we playing with, because that matters, for instance the Steve Nash Suns were good but they wasn't the best team in the 2000's, but are probably the best team from that time to put in todays NBA with their style of play
I am 41 yrs old and I have lived in three eras of NBA, 90s, 2000, 2010s. There is no way that warriors KD was going to stop Shaq and Kobe in that three peat run. Basketball is more than just shooting. It's scheme and strategy. Phil Jackson would have shut down KD and force step and klay to beat them. They would have no chance with Kobe and Shaq.
96 bulls beat the Lakers. The x factor in all this is Phill Jackson coaching against himself how would he do that would be amaizing or he is neutral and lets go literaly dream team 92 scrimmages
@@NikolajDragutinov I agree with that. Hard to beat those Bulls teams. I think a team fundamental sound like the spurs that beat Lebron's heat. Would bring a challenge.
I don’t think the triangle would do well against the Warriors switching. Kobe and Shaq would have to play hero ball. No doubt if it’s Shaq, he’s going to have to get all of his points on the free-throw line. 😂
Just like the 04 pistons and Larry browns strategy shut down the lakers and blew them out in some games pretty much with their deffence/psychicall game play, running the clock, team chemistry, that Detroit grid energy would be the same destiny for 2017 golden state warriors and would lose 4-2 easy! Larry Brown also much better coach than Steve kerr.
@@reecewilliams8349 I don’t see it. As the 3rd option Klay was averaging 20+ on top of playing defense. 109 defensive rating is better than 106. Prime Peja was nasty but Klay was different.
Nobody can guard Shaq. Nobody can slow him down. Kobe can slow down Steph. Bulls are even worse off for the Warriors. Nobody can guard Jordan. Nobody can slow him down. Jordan, Pippen, Harper can all slow down Steph, and Rodman can slow down KD.
Nick is every guy with a key board. Arguing about how he feel, nothing else. They talkin bball he talking emotions. And the disrespect to the Pistons and Kings is crazy
Gil just wrong, "Kobe gonna roam" no he is not. If you're not on top of Curry at all time especially during off ball Curry gonna drop 40 and if the plan was to guard KD 1v1 he's gonna drop 30 on 14 shots. Forcing GS to shoot jumpers should NEVER be the gameplan of the opposing team.
no dude just no. LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince. And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
you out of your damn mind if u think warriors making it Shaq is getting fucked up in pick n roll stop it and I will take 3>2 and Shaq is dominat but no ft he is making
Yeah Gill is tripping, you can’t roam against that team. Kobe guarding Curry is a bad idea because he’ll be chasing Curry and running through screens all night. Every guard that have to guard Curry, let you know how draining it is.
All those average will go down because of one person….shaw gas whole game plan changes because Shaq will make them foul…. Wasn’t kd on the 5😂 debate over
Nick Young should have asked Kenyon who was guarding Shaq in the 2002 NBA finals when the kings took the Lakers to 7 games. Warriors with KD and Steph are the best team ever and I don’t like the warriors at all.
The 2018 warriors would win because they’re playing Shaq off the court eventually as ludicrous as that sounds. Defensively, between the pace of play, the spacing created, and forcing him to guard the perimeter until he shows he can consistently do it; they’d wear him down until he was ineffective and blitz Kobe so that he either gets the ball out or takes badly contested shots.
😂😂😂 keep telling yourself the warriors would dictate pace with Shaq on the floor 😂😂😂😂 sorry buddy just not happening the warriors don't have enough body's to play that type of game
Fisher knocking down shots Kobe knocking down shots Rick fox knocking down shots Robert horry knocking down shots Devean George knocking down shots Brian Shaw knocking down shots And if you go to that 2000s Lakers team they got Glen Rice and he’s most definitely knocking down shots
That would be a good matchup for the warriors but I still would say KD warriors would beat them. Team was completely busted man. People forget that they still had a bench even with that squad they had. One year they even had demarcus cousins coming off the bench lol it was ridiculous
Kenyon knows firsthand that 2021 Lakers as they swept his New Jersey nets. They were unstoppable. They went 15-1 in The Playoffs to win the championship.
They didn't play nobody in 01. Iverson single handedly won a game with Snow, Mckie, Hill, and broken Dikembe 😂 One of their other chips in that run came courtesy of the refs because they would've lost in 6 to a high powered SAC team.
@@johnnybrison4150 lol they didn't play many tough teams and when they did it was very competitive. 02 SAC was the better team, LAL needed refs help to force a game 7. 00 POR nearly took them out and 03 SAS and 04 DET were proven to be better.
kenyon just sounded stupid the entire conversation. they acting like it’s not a fact that there was a whole CHEATING REF to help the lakers beat the kings that year.
Nick might be the first NBA player with CTE. He sound crazy af talking about Shaq 😂 And the best defender on the floor in any of those series is Kobe. Bruh made 12 All- Defensive teams... that's more than MJ who had 9. Stop sleeping on Bean man
That team doesn’t count to this generation. I believe that team was designed to compete in this era of position less basketball or small ball or whatever ppl want to call it. I remember when they would put the clamps to start the third quarter and do a full court press after every made shot and free throw. They would suffocate the other team with the 3 All-NBA Defensive players (Harper was an underrated defender) and Rodman would definitely get the better of Draymond. The Warriors had KD who is/was incredible so that would’ve been a tough matchup but who on the Warriors team could defend Kukoc? He was the innovator of the smooth shooting bigs. He was 6’11” and had a smooth 3 pointer. It would’ve been a great matchup but that Warriors team wouldn’t beat the 95-96 Bulls
Kenyon annoying as hell. Just yelling over Nick the whole time. Who won?!??!? Tripping off his own nuts thinking Steph and Durant aren’t eating. Shaq will miss all his free throws and the warriors come down and make a three, over and over and over.
Shaq would dominate, but people also forget how Shaq would go ghost for stretches when he was tired, golden state would run, and dominate midrange-3 point land, klay was an elite defender at that time so was iggy, draymond and kd 2 of the best helpside defenders working in tandem it would be a competitive series forsure
@@dariusewing6962 nobody but klay and iggy at that time were both better defenders than 90% of the ppl Kobe faced, who’s guarding KD or Steph who’s chasing klay all game
@@the_p.s.a6384I doubt that since technically that lakers played against archaic 90s style offense, except the kings and pistons. if the kings nearly beat them what you think Golden State would do? The pistons exposed Shaq on defense in the pick and roll with Chauncey,RRIP, and Sheed taking long twos. Bad match up for the Lakers.
no dude just no. LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince. And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
Ain’t nobody locking up KD and Steph either 💀 Kobe legit said he couldn’t find a way to stop KD before retired. Steph be off ball running so if Kobe is marking him then you got Klay who can take 11 dribbles and possibly drop 50-60 if you leave him open? That GSW team had 3 players who could drop 50 any day they wanted to. When the rest step up? Like iggy with his clutch points and defensive end. Dray with his playmaking defensive ability. Shaun Livingston hitting middys like it’s nothing. Shiiiii. Even leaving swaggy p open is messed up 🤣 that team is a lights out team and they could hold their end at defence. Stopping Shaq? No. However, everybody know Shaq fouling out. Kobe taking 50 shots a game and a guarantee you every-time he misses. GSW will capitalize off that bad
@19:27 bro talkin about Portland like they wasn’t like that. They were considered one of the deepest teams in NBA history. At least 10 Allstars on one team.
Man Shaq is the Difference averaged 3 blocks in the finals. That’s 21 blocks in a game 7. Just seeing 21 blocks in one series would make you think of not dunking on him
dumb gil and crazy ass k mart were wrong and exaggerating shaq didn't even foul out a bunch of players more than twice or 3 times in a series mfs make it seem like shaq is fouling out 10 warriors a game bullcrap
no dude just no. LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince. And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
@@jb-fl7lei get what you saying about Shaq. But who’s he guarding on defense? When they bring him to the top of the key and switch on a screen and he gotta guard Steph OR kd all game. He never was in good shape. He’ll be tired as hell before half. It’s no way shaq can keep up with the pace of the warriors offense.
Kobe mentioned in an interview with Ernie Johnson how much Shaq would influence this exact match up. He's so dominant that he would bring the game to a stand still and force teams to play slower. Your only option on offense is to try to bring Shaq up out of the key, but then the Lakers could simply run zone and keep Shaq planted near the baseline. Shaq is literally the most dominant for a reason. He would break your team down by himself.
LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince. And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
You play zone against non shooters! If you go to a zone against a pick and roll with no help. Curry and KD would have 50 a piece! The warriors are not letting Shaq stand on the baseline and rest on defense. Shaq gonna come out here and get switched on this screen. And if he don’t switch, D fisher gonna have a long night trying to fight over and keep up with Steph
@@datdude1021 They gon be making Shaq big ass move on the perimeter lmao his ass is getting cooked every possession on defense, and he's gonna get frustrated to the point where he's gonna start commiting dumb fouls.
Kevin Durant has averaged 27.9 points, 6.7 rebounds and 3.2 assists in 17 games versus Kenyon Martin in his career. Shaquille O'Neal averaged 19.1 points, 10.1 rebounds and 3.0 assists in 16 games versus Kenyon Martin in his career.
There’s no right answer unless it’s played. It’s all on paper. It’s not saying this match up , and who’s doing what. There’s schemes. BUT I PICK ANY TEAM THAT HAS JORDAN ON IT.
Id say '96 Bulls, '12 Heat, '08 Celtics, '14 Spurs, '01 Lakers, '11 Mavs could beat them and '04 Pistons n '07 Suns could have a good series against the KD n Steph Warriors
@@rodneybanner1589 lmfao you wanna talk 3s like Shaq isn't going to have 50 and 1's and make almost 70% of them. You'll be lucky if GSW shoots 35% from 3. And the fact you act like Gsw won't miss a shot. Lol
@@rodneybanner1589 and that's the point of having Kobe as part of that 2headed monster. Kobe putting 60 on curry and Klay head cuz they got to deal with Shaq . Lmao
Let’s not forget these same warriors went 7 games with a 32 year old Chris Paul & James Harden My bad Chris Paul didn’t play games 6&7 so really just James Harden. Unless you want to give players like Clint Capela, Patrick Beverly, Lou Williams,Trevor Ariza , and PJ Tucker Flowers for being there as well.
@@damnsicko4456niggas be acting like james harden not a a top 5 sg ever and that Houston team wasn’t ELITE. That Houston team is frying Sac and Portland 😂
61 shots taken at 38% = 23 made = 69 points 29 shots taken at 48% = 13.92 round down 13 = 39 points 30 point difference , what you have to take into consideration is all those fouls slow down the pace of the game and all the physicality trying to defend Shaq equals more fatigue for the Warriors who were undersized which means if you played small ball , Shaq is putting Draymond and KD in foul trouble and there goes your best playmaker and scorer
I remember when Iggy locked up LeBron and won MVP 😂 Btw, nobody is guarding Kobe or Shaq. At the same time, nobody is Steph or KD. How you gonna stop the most dominant player ever? How you gonna stop the best shooter ever? They were both great teams. There’s no need to have a debate over different eras. By doing that, you’re looking down on one or the other. Just let them be. Every championship team deserved to win it no matter what events may have taken place in order for them to win.
no dude just no. LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince. And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
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Brandon Jennings out here earning the gold medal in instigating lol.
Definitely 10:24 he loves this shit, 11:03 especially if someone else talks about them older guys being scared or weak 🤣😂
BJ is hilarious
Warriors aren't beating the 1996 Bulls team that was 70-12!!!
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@@johnmaples3332yes they’re Jordan just scoring isn’t enough against 3 players who can go for 50 any given time
Swaggy P is so damn funny man, love his comments! He said "If Rick Fox gotta guard KD, his Jerry curls gonna be swinging around left to right" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Aye where the time stamp 😂😂😂
Lmao they weren't even jerry curls, Rick fox is mixed
@@TheJwalk1234 I know I'm late, but starts around 3:21
Rick Fox was a dawg tho shout out to him I miss that Laker squad from the early 2000s. Liked it better than the Kobe led Lakers and the Bron led Lakers for sure and even more than the Magic and Kareem Lakers. I think that era of the Lakers had the most talent.
Swaggy - "We gon start West"
Kenyon - "(Shaq) He gon dunk HIM and the ball" 😭😭😭😭
@@JBking1998 😂
Great comment.😂
This shit hilarious
Swaggy P high as F**k yo. He still sniffing dope laced with Izzy Izalea panties juices. This dude is just trolling
and shaq's big ass would give up a bunch points on pick and rolls and on the fast break he would be a defensive liability against that lethal kd warriors team
Nobody:
Kenyon: Who Won?? Who won??
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He make no sense in that point of the conversation
Kenyon won. Anytime you reduce a team to their jumpshot, its over😅
@@andwhat82reduce a team to what they wanna do?? Kenyon a clown in this conversation
@@daylonthomas1723 you can't fall in love with the jump shot, no matter who you are, the likelihood of you missing is going to happen, everyone misses..
If they had a rule that if you repeat the same thing more than three times in a row your mic got muted, there would be no one left talking by the end of the show.
Literally was listening to “Who Won!?” Wishing J could just hit a button and mute them all and reset the room lol
@@NegusXLexact same 😂😂😂
Hahahahahaha
I have to agree with Nick on this take. NO TEAM could beat KD Steph Klay Draymond and Igoudala … that team has too much fire power 🚀🚀🚀
Forreal they gotta stop shouting over each other repeating shit
I know Kenyon didn’t say Derek fisher is guarding Steph😂😂😂😂
Fisher was an elite strong defender. Delladova gave Steph problems and he’s not the defender that Fisher was
@@Domo3dFACTS
@@Domo3dhe averaged 26 lmfaoo that’s problem and he won a ring wtf
@@Domo3d26.7 a game says otherwise!!
@@Ace_Dynamocouldve averaged 32+
Shaq averaged 37 missing 10-12 free throws
On 2’s
@@b_well3 cuz he never hittin em 3's and free throws
Shaqs lack of jumper means alot
He can average 40 they still gonna lose
No team is winning a game scoring 37 tho. No one going to stop Shaq, true, but who else on the Lakers going to score?
If Nick played against prime Shaq this would never even be a conversation 🤷🏽♂️
It wouldn't, there was no stopping SHAQ back then bruh, nothing.
People forget most games Curry, KD and Klay weren't even playing in the 4th quarter due to their blowouts. So they averaged less ppg, imagine if they finished games.
LITERALLY wtf😂 they were too good
They probably get hurt
That was in the regular season when half the teams didnt even make the playoffs and some were tanking. In the playoffs it was a 8 man rotation.
That '18 team was suspect, go ask that '18 rockets team if they're fugazi🤔??
@@ReverendSam1what about that Kings team?
That photo they pulled up with the 5 Nets guarding Shaq and he still yams on them has Legendary Aura
That’s the picture I show every Kobe nut gobbler when they say Kobe was on the same level as Shaq. FOH he was Robin
Nick Young reminds me of arguing with the dude in the slow class 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Or arguing with a woman 😅 just throwing back the same qestion like he said something deep. 🤣
Bro I was listening on Spotify .I had to come leave a comment, he us horrible for a sports show..he debates like a kid. He's like the "I know you are but what am I " kid in a roasting session
Or a woman bro you yelling emotions
@@cristianh.5133I thought the same thing … he argues like a woman.
Nick would have won the argument if he knew this. The ONLY reason why the Lakers advanced to a game 7 versus the Kings is because of poor refs. Go look at the documentary on TH-cam about the refs! They called it the WORST game EVER officiated in the NBA🤨
You’re telling me it’s the refs fault for the kings shooting .20 from freethrow the line
Nick sound like a kid who basing his argument off of 2k
That would be a good idea. 2K is a basketball simulation, that can simulate the Warriors-Lakers match up.
@@penkima4923 I don’t feel like it fully realistic tho
@@seetheflag3702 2K is trash. But it doesn't matter what way you hear Nick's argument, it's still a strong argument.
No, he sounds like someone basing his argument on the Lakers barely beating the Kings with Vlade and Scott Pollard at center
@@1227weaverbwhich is true lol
Iggy aint locking up no Kobe...stop it😂
Yea But kobe would be shooting 19/50 every game
@@whoismar9696you know that’s not a bad percentage right?
@@futurism27 ofc i know that but it jus proves that Shaq will b in foul trouble and Kobe will b shooting like it’s his retirement game
@@whoismar9696if anything whoever guarding shaq is getting in foul trouble wdf😂😂the warriors didn’t have slashers like that
He not but Iggy really like that bro. He could have been the best player in a lot of team if he didn’t decide to to go to G state
I like how Gil called Rashad a few days ago a "googler" and he's always the one pulling out his phone checking something lol
Rashad called him out
Stat man stat man yeah that's meeee!!!
Gil's stat man for real
@@leonbrown9747y’all need to stop repeating the dumb shit he be saying. Rashad is also the stat man. With his self proclaimed “basketball historic”
As he should. I hate debates based on feelings more than facts
The KD warriors are the best team ever yall just gotta live with that lol
Man💀😭😭
You must be 15
Ppl need to learn the history of the game.... It's so beyond obvious who has actually watched full games before the LeBron/Durant/Steph era. These dudes basing everything off of clips.
They also think that if you don't have a "bag" you couldn't play.
The slander dudes like Bird, Mullen, Duncan get due to being fundamentally strong
No the hell there not why they didn't go 73 and 9 foh goofy
@moriordan85 facts bro the spurs dynasty not even mentioned smfh
How come all the titles for Gil's Arena always on a crash out vibe lmao 😂
Negativity attracts more clicks
Drama sells we all click on this mf
GILS ARENA EXECUTES RASHAD WHILE DEBATING LEBRONS LEGACY
Cause he a crash out 😂
Gil: Nick you never seen Shaq play
Nick: ofc I’ve seen him play. I’m a Lakers fan. I watched the screen like you watched the screen. We both saw an old ass Shaq.
Dying…🤣🤣🤣
Can't bring up total points for Klay+KD+Steph vs Shaq+Kobe because them boys were sitting the 4th quarter for the entire year.
This!!!!
They talking about the finals
In the 2018 finals against the Cavs, KD averaged 28.8, Steph 27.5 and Klay 16, that's 73 PPG between all three! It trumps Kobe and Shaq's 63 PPG.
@@doubleeph8920 That’s not against Shaq and The Mamba
@@terrybarrino6622 Neither is Shaq and Kobe's 63!
Legend has it that Kmart is still asking “Who won?”
😂😂😂
Lakers Finals PPG (2000-2002):
2000 - 104.4 ppg
2001 - 98 ppg
2002 - 106.3 ppg
Overall Average of 102.9 ppg
Now the Warriors Finals PPG (2016-2018):
2016 - 104.1 ppg (No KD)
2017 - 121.6 ppg
2018 - 116 ppg
Overall avg of 113.9
K Mart (like the bankrupt department store) logic of who is gonna guard Shaq falls flat on its face when the higher powered offense is on the other team.
This mf said "If you average 36 and now you got 30, you got locked up"😂😂😂....on what planet is 30 pts being locked up?
Depends on the shooting percentage. Iggy won his FMVP, because he held LeBron at 36 ppg, but shooting under 40 %.
@@penkima4923this is a stupid justification. You got 36 on you and shot 40% in no world is that locked up.
If a guy averages 36, and the defender holds him to 30 on 25+ shots. That's a tough 30 so I'd live with it. It's about the % at that point.
@@donaldcarelock2526 not about the percentage of you give up 30 you didn’t lock anyone up period. You can say played good defense but locked up tf out of here
@AGholst502 I didn't say locked up. I said that I'll live with somebody scoring 30 on 25+ shots.
Iggy did not lock up Lebron….dude averaged like 30 12 and 9
More like 36
35.8 ppg, 13.3 rpg, 8.8 apg, led both teams in points, rebounds, and assists to be more specific.
Horrible efficiency
@@NegatingNegation yeah but kook at who he played with. He had know choice but to be aggressive.
Lebron shot under 40% that series and averaged a lot of turnovers.
When Kmart lose he just scream the same thing on repeat 😂
He ain’t lose though Nicki is delusional
@@christopherwilson6615 Kmart screaming over nick says it all lol he lost
He didn’t really have a retort for why they struggled with an undersized Kings team. That Kings team is more similar to the Warriors than you think too. In ‘02 they definitely got hoed in a heavily scrutinized Game 6. Bring Chris Webber on to talk about that series then we’ll see if ‘Who won’ wins the argument.
@@christopherwilson6615 he did. That Kings team ain't giving GSW no problems.
The point was, this idea that if you can't stop Shaq, you lose isn't true
@@blinblinthing thanku who made this theory up
Kobe himself said he retired not knowing how to figure out how to guard KD
And the same guy has never won a ring with a team built around him
@@pratikchaudhari6064 what does that have to do with skill ? don’t comment if you just a fan who sits and watch the game and never picked up a ball in your life
That's what team defense is for
With 17’ Klay and Kevin Durant on the court with screens and off ball movement no team is guarding KD and Curry
What era they playing in?
They getting swept in '96 by the Bulls. Whereas, '96 Bulls look good to take at least 1 game, maybe 2, from Warriors in '17 or '18.
@@mercb3astbruh in 17 kd curry and klay were shooting from 5+ feet behind the 3 that’s a whole different offense then they’ve ever seen
@@mercb3astdon't matter the era. The same outcome
U on drugs
Naw, Lakers, and 96 Bulls win easy. Both can take the heat of the Warriors off the court in Draymond.
I don't like how he is disrespecting Big Ben Wallace like that.
Right that piston team was locked in prince to
It's funny that kenyon brought up rockets missing 27 threes and completely forgets that the refs gave the Lakers 27 free throws in the 4th quarter against the kings 😂
This!
You talking about this Laker team? Cause you know they a inside team right 💀💀
@xDaPrincex I'm talking about the 2002 Lakers. If you haven't seen any videos on it, I would recommend searching one up, the fouls against the kings in the fourth quarter alone were so bad it was hilarious. There's a channel that talks about the 2002 kings and the infamous game 6 against LA. Their channel name is Synthetic sports. It's a good video that you should check out if you get the chance.
That's what I've been saying,, aint no team take damn 24 fts in 1 qtr,, cheated us
The kings lost the 1st and last game on their home floor. They deserved to lose that series
Nick and McCants makes this show funny saying brother knowledge 😂😂😂
Nick Young's argument is valid and they didn't want to acknowledge it. If Sacramento took the Lakers to a Game 7 with that roster, imagine changing their PG to SC, SG to Klay and SF to KD. Easy clap
Sacramento had defenders that hustled big time. That year if they went to the NBA Finals they would have won the championship. Also they had Peja and Tokilou. Two of the best 3 pointers in the league that year. Webber at power forward was great and Bibby couldn't miss any shots. Best series we have ever seen
The Rockets took the warriors to game 7 and won because the rockets missed 27 consecutive 3 pointers. Nobody could’ve seen that coming. That’s how the warriors won.
Thay sac team was a problem because all 5 can score and they had multiple shooters starting and coming off the bench with turkoglu and bobby Jackson....Steph can't hide on offense and they would make draymond take a lot of the shots they will play off dray and trap whoever when dray is involve in the pick n roll
Webber is a better defender than KD
Nah.
2000-2001 diesel going for 50. They forget they had Glen Rice for that run too.
Yeah that 2000 team was loaded shaq , kobe ,Horace grant , ac green, Robert Horry, Devin George, Derek Fisher, Brian shaw , Ron harper , Rick fox , ty lue that bench was deep as fuck with 3 ball shooters
Maybe. You’re opinion. But it’s all on paper. No body would know unless it’s played. I say 72-10 bulls beat them all. It’s not just saying this matchup and that. It has to be played and schemed. I roll with any team that has Jordan on it. I do agree that Shaq is a problem for anyone, but it’s more than that
How tf do that make sense when he cant shoot freethrows tf yall think gon change about shaq game in this era? Yall slow or something? They fouled him the whole game back then just the same as they would now and he would average the same now.
Shaq would have 50 but still lose lol by at least 20
But he can’t guard the perimeter he gone have to guard at the 3 point line . He lunch meat
That KD and Curry pick and roll in the Olympics Unstoppable
Against NON-NBA players. Shaq n Kobe Lakers beats the Warriors
@@TheFutureEvents KD and curry had a team full of all stars and still had close games against Euro League level randoms off the street. And they had LeGOAT on their team
@@JamesBond-iv5lpthey can do what pistons did and exploit Shaq defense with the pick and roll with rrip, chauchey and sheed taking long twos. And out run and shoot the lakers with Curry shooting deep and moving without the ball and using great ball movement will be very tough for those lakers teams since they faced archaic offense during those finals except the 2004 pistons and 2002 kings.
@@davelouie131 The Pistons would beat that Warriors Team too. And Sheed Chaucey RIP and Prince could all SHOOT 3s and would LOCK Golden State DOWN foh
@@JamesBond-iv5lpno they wasn’t a great 3 point shooting team, they primarily took long twos, not shoot deep like the 2016 Warriors did but yeah they would be a better match up then Lakers because they ran a 90s style offense and nearly lost to the 2002 kings. I research their 3pt. Shooting, but pretty sure they just took long twos and Phil Jackson ripped their style with Gasol Kobe lakers. But Thibido 08 Celtics had a great defensive game plan that would not work against the 2016 Warriors because of the spacing and pace.
Kenyon - you on dope or dog food😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣13:51
😂😂😂😂
Kenyon just continuously shouting “who won” was so gd annoying.
Cause he know he lost like a mf😂😂. You cant go to game 7s and be the best team ever compared to a team SWEEPING in the finals.
If Nick wasn’t constantly deflecting he wouldn’t have had to
@@davidestick9936Nick didn’t deflect at all. Kenyon just realized he didn’t have a point so he kept repeating the same thing. The narrative with the Lakers team is always that nobody could touch them but history says otherwise.
Who won?!?!?!?
@@davidestick9936 exactly
Crazy seeing NBA players argue. . . .
Missing the real arguing points.
Style of play?
The Shaq led Lakers played the halfcourt Triangle offense, throw the ball down to Shaq posting up to start the offense= slower paced offense, less shot attempts, lower scoring output.
** 2003 SA Spurs beat that Lakers team in the WCF 4-2 because they played an uptempo offense. had more scoring opportunities.**
The GS Warriors with those players, played an uptempo offense= more shot attemps, more fast break points, more open 3's, less fouling. Shaq becomes more of a liability than an asset, just because of the fast paced Warriors.
Prediction? GS would beat those Lakers 4-1, or 4-2
Styles make fights!
💯👑
I was gonna say the Spurs beat that Lakers team. If anything the 2014 Spurs would have a better chance against that Warriors team.
@@royperez9414 💯
Real
Bro!!!, that is crazy!! 😂😂 like they are fans at a barbershop.
@@GeneseeExplorer 🎯
And it’s insane that Kenyon is avoiding the fact that it’s been publicized that the officials pretty much purposely threw that game 7 for the lakers to win
never happened
Def not proven.
So
That’s cap. They were sat down to show the fouls they were missing and held accountable for it. If you got refs deliberately missing calls and games are being lost, yes you call them out.
I think that was game 6, not 7
Man I’m late watching this but damn was it enjoyable to watch people get passionate and still have a conversation. Seems like a lost art these days
Same here but still love the passion. Nick never wanting to answer "whos guarding Shaq" 😂. Kobe getting whatever he wants. KD and lightning-quick-release Klay would be the Lakers biggest hurdle and unless they plan on setting 5 screens for Steph, Fischer will be all over him.
@@JeffLcarz this whole clip bout had me on the ground 🤣
No lead is safe against that Warriors team at the end of the day.. the easy solution would be for the Warriors to push the pace to the point Shaq can’t even keep up. So when he has to sit, it’s all on Kobe and the Warriors can really run the score up before he even comes back in.
Even if your making all these 3's every possession the game is stopping because Shaq is getting fouled every time. The 3 point shot was the difference maker for Golden State because they were getting stops and make 3's. With Shaq down low they would put the Warriors in foul trouble so they wouldn't be running all game. And for the hoopers out there the game goes fast then slow its hard for you to get in rhythm. On top of that Phil Jackson is running circles around Steve Kerr
Why do keep saying Shaq is getting fouled every time. Refs did not call fouls for Shaq. He was so big that he didn’t get foul calls; refs were awful to Shaq.
LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince.
And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
@@christianmorgan5956 Sounds good , but Shaq not knocking down free throws would be a problem. Plus the reason the warriors played fast is because they made the big man come out the paint to guard on the perimeter. Shaq having to do that all night is a problem.
@@christianmorgan5956except the warriors don't need to foul shaq to win. Let him have his TWO's. They are a fast paced team and when they're running up and down the court and around screens, shaq would be gassed out by the forth quarter
Kobe & Shaq was a problem but That warriors team was just unfair. Nobody can beat that team in a 7 game series. Not a chance! The commissioner shouldn't have even let that bs go down💯
The Warriors set the 73-9 all time best winning record, and after that they were allowed to add KD to the team. That's just stupid. In a long line of stupid things the commissioner has allowed to happen.
Lemme guess GSW was unfair bc lebron constantly lost to them😂 kawhi by himself on the spurs had them up by 20 in game 1 not saying they was gone win also cavs big 3 averaged more points then GSW big 3 yall try to rewrite history that GSW team was going to 7 games with the rockets
@@2rawww4tvkd I was one of many who stopped watching NBA basketball, when KD joined the Warriors. Everybody knew the Warriors were going to win the title, and they did win. They kept the same team for the next season, so no point in watching NBA basketball that season either. It saved the NBA that KD and Klay got injured in their 3rd season together, and they split up.
2014 spurs 2000 lakers 2010 lakers Miami heat 2013 1996 bulls can beat the 17 warriors
@@penkima4923they had to stop bron from passing you know who in rings, he figured out the warriors then they added the best player right after bron
If Shaq dunks his way to 70% shooting, Steph would need to shoot 50% from 3 to compete
Shaq averaged 63% when being guarded by elite defender 6' 9" Ben Wallace. 70% is easy when being defended by 6' 6" Draymond Green.
No he wouldnt
So it’s a 1 on 1 game
Swag won this argument!!!. Old timers always want to use the stats when it works in there favor.. Since they want to use stats, the most important stat is, Warriors avg 116pts per game to the Lakers 106. The Warriors turned the ball over less and shot a higher FG percentage. So if you use the Stats Warriors would win.
can't even use stats to compare these teams, the rules are different, the game is looser today and have way more possessions, that why with these arguments I always ask what rules we playing with, because that matters, for instance the Steve Nash Suns were good but they wasn't the best team in the 2000's, but are probably the best team from that time to put in todays NBA with their style of play
I am 41 yrs old and I have lived in three eras of NBA, 90s, 2000, 2010s. There is no way that warriors KD was going to stop Shaq and Kobe in that three peat run. Basketball is more than just shooting. It's scheme and strategy. Phil Jackson would have shut down KD and force step and klay to beat them. They would have no chance with Kobe and Shaq.
96 bulls beat the Lakers. The x factor in all this is Phill Jackson coaching against himself how would he do that would be amaizing or he is neutral and lets go literaly dream team 92 scrimmages
@@NikolajDragutinov I agree with that. Hard to beat those Bulls teams. I think a team fundamental sound like the spurs that beat Lebron's heat. Would bring a challenge.
I don’t think the triangle would do well against the Warriors switching. Kobe and Shaq would have to play hero ball. No doubt if it’s Shaq, he’s going to have to get all of his points on the free-throw line. 😂
They would get Crushed!!!!
Just like the 04 pistons and Larry browns strategy shut down the lakers and blew them out in some games pretty much with their deffence/psychicall game play, running the clock, team chemistry, that Detroit grid energy would be the same destiny for 2017 golden state warriors and would lose 4-2 easy! Larry Brown also much better coach than Steve kerr.
Peja over Klay is next level trolling 😂
Prime peja is actually better than prime klay though.
@@reecewilliams8349 I don’t see it. As the 3rd option Klay was averaging 20+ on top of playing defense. 109 defensive rating is better than 106. Prime Peja was nasty but Klay was different.
@@Be.Blessed Klay is a choker. Peja is better.
Prime peja was # 2 or 3 in mvp voting fyi
Yall tripping peja was a damn sniper
Both Kenyon and Nick going back and forth: who’s guarding Shaq/who’s guarding Steph & KD 😂😂😂
Nobody can guard Shaq. Nobody can slow him down. Kobe can slow down Steph.
Bulls are even worse off for the Warriors. Nobody can guard Jordan. Nobody can slow him down. Jordan, Pippen, Harper can all slow down Steph, and Rodman can slow down KD.
@@mercb3astno
@@TheNyion912yes
@@TheNyion912jus saying no is not debunking nothing like bring a real argument kid
@@mercb3aststop, no one you name can slow down Steph. Stop it no one in history slowing down kd. Kd offense better than h Jordan’s.
Nick is every guy with a key board. Arguing about how he feel, nothing else. They talkin bball he talking emotions. And the disrespect to the Pistons and Kings is crazy
Gil just wrong, "Kobe gonna roam" no he is not. If you're not on top of Curry at all time especially during off ball Curry gonna drop 40 and if the plan was to guard KD 1v1 he's gonna drop 30 on 14 shots. Forcing GS to shoot jumpers should NEVER be the gameplan of the opposing team.
no dude just no. LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince.
And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
you out of your damn mind if u think warriors making it Shaq is getting fucked up in pick n roll stop it and I will take 3>2 and Shaq is dominat but no ft he is making
Yeah Gill is tripping, you can’t roam against that team. Kobe guarding Curry is a bad idea because he’ll be chasing Curry and running through screens all night. Every guard that have to guard Curry, let you know how draining it is.
That team literally loses to Houston if Paul doesn't get hurt...
Yall muthafuckas need to get off this steph shit tell me you just started watching the game in 2016 lakers smashing there azz
Almost wanted to throw my phone at the sceen after hearing Kenyon say "Who won"? For the 50th time in 2 minutes @21:45 😑🤦🏿♂️
Yeah these ninjas are getting harder to watch every time
Sounding like a kid 🤦🏿♂️😂
bruh
he no he wrong
Real shit he was pissing me off.He thinks he is this big tough dude that everybody is scared of
The 2014 Spurs would give the 2017 Warriors a run for their money.
Fiznacts
They actually could match that warriors team
Dal took them 7 gtfoh. They whooped the heat nobody was saying that bullshit pre finals
Agree they had Duncan Manu Parker Kawhi THEY WAS A TEAM AND GREAT TOGETHER 💯
Probably would too because we can’t forget what happened on Durants DEBUT game for the warriors 😏
“I wish PE-jaKOVIC would try stay in front of James…” 😂😂😂😂😂
Steph averaged 27
Kd averaged 35
Klay averaged 16
Dray averaged 11
The lakers are gettin fucking cooked Kmart showing his age old goofy
U just talking ppl opinions are not facts….nobody knows wat would happen but wat we do know is nobody on that GSW team can slow Shaq down
All those average will go down because of one person….shaw gas whole game plan changes because Shaq will make them foul…. Wasn’t kd on the 5😂 debate over
BBQ chicken
Man Bron took them to overtime 😅😅😅by his self
you definitely know nothing about basketball, and sound like a casual, getting cooked is a bit of an exaggeration
This is an unstoppable force vs an immovable object
Nick gotta put some respect on that Pistons team and Big Ben. He won 4 straight DPOYs
nick is just a clown & I Think 04 pistons would maul thoes gsw18 pistons hang their hat on defense
Greatest thing about these debates. We'll never know who would win. Would be a helluva matchup fasho
Nick Young should have asked Kenyon who was guarding Shaq in the 2002 NBA finals when the kings took the Lakers to 7 games. Warriors with KD and Steph are the best team ever and I don’t like the warriors at all.
The 2018 warriors would win because they’re playing Shaq off the court eventually as ludicrous as that sounds. Defensively, between the pace of play, the spacing created, and forcing him to guard the perimeter until he shows he can consistently do it; they’d wear him down until he was ineffective and blitz Kobe so that he either gets the ball out or takes badly contested shots.
😂😂😂 keep telling yourself the warriors would dictate pace with Shaq on the floor 😂😂😂😂 sorry buddy just not happening the warriors don't have enough body's to play that type of game
@@scorpionvseverybody6524 U dont know what ur saying lmao
@@johnnylee4820 obviously you don't understand how fouls and player availability works so it'll be pointless to even further this conversation ✌🏾
@@johnnylee4820that team almost lost to Houston why do y’all act like they were unstoppable
@@Woodgang147n that team should’ve lost to Sacramento…ur point?
This collab is pure gold!
Iguadala won FMVP because Bron whilst scoring 36pts didnt make 40% fg and shot like 30% from outside 3ft of the basket.
He made A LOT of attempts.
Fisher knocking down shots
Kobe knocking down shots
Rick fox knocking down shots
Robert horry knocking down shots
Devean George knocking down shots
Brian Shaw knocking down shots
And if you go to that 2000s Lakers team they got Glen Rice and he’s most definitely knocking down shots
That sounds good. Shaun west klay all knocking shots
That would be a good matchup for the warriors but I still would say KD warriors would beat them. Team was completely busted man. People forget that they still had a bench even with that squad they had. One year they even had demarcus cousins coming off the bench lol it was ridiculous
So no one missing anything huh?
Nick Young tripping
All 2’s lol
Kenyon Martin is that annoying uncle that just yells and says nothing lol
he’s horrible
He's hiding the vodka somewhere. 😂
Nick young is the same way tho😂
@@Kingju11 Lol nah Nick Young does it when he's not being heard. Kenyon Martin does it when someone disagrees with him.
@@TitusLennon so the Dwight episode he wasn’t screaming louder than everyone on the Kobe and mj debate😂😂😂
Kenyon knows firsthand that 2021 Lakers as they swept his New Jersey nets. They were unstoppable. They went 15-1 in The Playoffs to win the championship.
They didn't play nobody in 01. Iverson single handedly won a game with Snow, Mckie, Hill, and broken Dikembe 😂
One of their other chips in that run came courtesy of the refs because they would've lost in 6 to a high powered SAC team.
@Michael-vn2jj you on dope
@@johnnybrison4150 lol they didn't play many tough teams and when they did it was very competitive.
02 SAC was the better team, LAL needed refs help to force a game 7. 00 POR nearly took them out and 03 SAS and 04 DET were proven to be better.
kenyon just sounded stupid the entire conversation. they acting like it’s not a fact that there was a whole CHEATING REF to help the lakers beat the kings that year.
Nick might be the first NBA player with CTE. He sound crazy af talking about Shaq 😂
And the best defender on the floor in any of those series is Kobe. Bruh made 12 All- Defensive teams... that's more than MJ who had 9. Stop sleeping on Bean man
Kenton didn’t mention when shaq gets brought up in pick and roll and gotta guard Steph 1 on 1 at the 3 point line 🤣🤣🤣
Cus he can't compute that he never played against a player like steph. Ray and Reggie sound good. U ain't never seen steph
Steph play off screens when u see him go pick n roll
@@djadondaman17that shooting 3s shit don't work in playoffs against real defense that's why they blew 3-1
@@johnnybrison4150you talking bout 2016 this whole discussion about 2017-18 😭
96 Bulls, 3 All NBA Defensive team players, 3 - 7 footers for hack a Shaq, and 87-13 for the season.
Absolutely man. Greatest defensive team ever.
Exactly
That team doesn’t count to this generation. I believe that team was designed to compete in this era of position less basketball or small ball or whatever ppl want to call it. I remember when they would put the clamps to start the third quarter and do a full court press after every made shot and free throw. They would suffocate the other team with the 3 All-NBA Defensive players (Harper was an underrated defender) and Rodman would definitely get the better of Draymond. The Warriors had KD who is/was incredible so that would’ve been a tough matchup but who on the Warriors team could defend Kukoc? He was the innovator of the smooth shooting bigs. He was 6’11” and had a smooth 3 pointer. It would’ve been a great matchup but that Warriors team wouldn’t beat the 95-96 Bulls
4:50 bruh every time K-Mart looks at the guys like this I be dying 🤣
What Nick dont understand is if KD, Steph, or Klay run past Shaq. He is going to put them on there ass
They don't need to. They can shoot the 3.
Pick up the foul then dumbass Shaq. Pnr BBQ chicken tf. Keep hitting
And get himself ejected. 😂
he can only do that 6 times. do u think they'll get scared from getting put in their ass?
what yall understand is that they don't go to the lane their all shooters😂
Draymond couldn't even guard AD and he really said Draymond guarding Shaq 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Draymond was locking AD up 😂😂😂
Kenyon annoying as hell. Just yelling over Nick the whole time. Who won?!??!? Tripping off his own nuts thinking Steph and Durant aren’t eating. Shaq will miss all his free throws and the warriors come down and make a three, over and over and over.
Lmao you mad af
Kind of like they did against the Raptors huh?
17 warriors smacking whoever , tryna discredit thats what old heads do
When shaq missed all his free throws stop cap
@@jrnew1970yea just like when the lakers lost to the pistons
“Locked down” Shaq averaged 30, 14, 2 blocks…then Bron averaged 36, 13, and 9…. But they got “locked down”
22:22 bra the 2018 rockets was different Gilbert arenas talking like they wasn’t a good team👀💀
They keep bringing up Robert Horry like Horace Grant didn't exist lol
Right? I kept thinking, those 2000 Lakers had Horace Grant too
@@dustinrhodes4793They had dennis Rodman for 5 minutes too 😂😂
Shaq would dominate, but people also forget how Shaq would go ghost for stretches when he was tired, golden state would run, and dominate midrange-3 point land, klay was an elite defender at that time so was iggy, draymond and kd 2 of the best helpside defenders working in tandem it would be a competitive series forsure
Phil still the coach, he gun slow the game it's gun be Laker pace not the other way around
Why niggas act like gsw can't go on a 25-5 run in 3 mins. That's why they were unbeatable. At any point when they get on a run it's over
who checking KOBE lol 😂not 24 KOBE young KOBE #8 Afro Lion
@@dariusewing6962 nobody but klay and iggy at that time were both better defenders than 90% of the ppl Kobe faced, who’s guarding KD or Steph who’s chasing klay all game
Just check the final scores of Lakers games vs Warriors final scores. Games would be over mid 3rd lol
🔥🔥🔥🔥debate
SHAQ&KOBE eating them for lunch then locking them on Defense
Nobody is locking up kd and curry unless they just have a off night
@@KennyHunxho Both have struggled with physicality their whole careers you get and the chest you throw their game off
@@the_p.s.a6384besides 2022 KD… when have they struggled with physicality?
@@the_p.s.a6384I doubt that since technically that lakers played against archaic 90s style offense, except the kings and pistons. if the kings nearly beat them what you think Golden State would do? The pistons exposed Shaq on defense in the pick and roll with Chauncey,RRIP, and Sheed taking long twos. Bad match up for the Lakers.
@@YangoBord yes you kinda of right those other years they just choked
Nick is right the warriors are gonna fry the lakers
no dude just no. LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince.
And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
@@jb-fl7le No reason for the Warriors needing to make 30/45 from three.
Jordan, Pippen, Harper & Rodman are locking down Steph, Klay, KD & Dray
No they’re not
No they not
No they are not, they couldn't lockdown reggie Miller by himself. Jordan don't do well guarding against players that run around screens all day
Yup but the warriors bench was always the key to the dynasty
lol they are not let’s stop it
Ain’t nobody locking up KD and Steph either 💀 Kobe legit said he couldn’t find a way to stop KD before retired. Steph be off ball running so if Kobe is marking him then you got Klay who can take 11 dribbles and possibly drop 50-60 if you leave him open?
That GSW team had 3 players who could drop 50 any day they wanted to. When the rest step up? Like iggy with his clutch points and defensive end. Dray with his playmaking defensive ability. Shaun Livingston hitting middys like it’s nothing. Shiiiii. Even leaving swaggy p open is messed up 🤣 that team is a lights out team and they could hold their end at defence. Stopping Shaq? No. However, everybody know Shaq fouling out. Kobe taking 50 shots a game and a guarantee you every-time he misses. GSW will capitalize off that bad
Check out this retard lmao. Shaq is fouling out and Kobe missing every shot? Were you born in 2010? Casual.. Lakers killing them in 5 games easy
That Rockets team was good af too!
16:25.. “so that was a old ass Robert Horry.. he retired after that.” lol.. he was already in San Antonio.. and won two more rings
Right
@19:27 bro talkin about Portland like they wasn’t like that. They were considered one of the deepest teams in NBA history. At least 10 Allstars on one team.
as good as that portland team was they had no one to take over a game not one top 10 player ✌
@@MichaelSevilla97it’s only 10 team in history with a top 10 player brother
Nick shut em up with that SAC comment 😂😂😂
Kenyon wants everyone to admit they were better because he lost to them😂
Facts Shaq made a mess of him so he defending him with everything he got
Facts shaq dogged them out. Warriors shooting everybody out the gym that year bro @jaliancasey5409
Man Shaq is the Difference averaged 3 blocks in the finals. That’s 21 blocks in a game 7. Just seeing 21 blocks in one series would make you think of not dunking on him
It wasn't a 3-point league in Shaq's days. Shaq's not gonna average the same versus the KD-Warriors.
Shaq would have to guard the parameter
@@gothamcity4206 SHAQ cant guard anyone on the wariars. shaw on the perimeter defending makes harden look like jrue holiday
Nick forgets the Warriors was a CP3 injury away from losing in the WCF
And I was a one number away from lotto.. who cares about what if
Tell me about those series of Lakers against Portland @ Sacramento tell me bout those reffs that help Lakers
Gotta stop making that excuse they was up and had one game to win missed 26 threes going into the 4th quarter up 15
@@bangmanjae9024 so now is excuse when the 2nd best player of the team got injured? So tell me why GSW couldn’t beat Toronto in that final?
@@FrankDaTank_PR they wasn’t up against Toronto like the rockets was up on them
nick young refusing to pronounce Peja Stojaković correctly was the best part that had me rolling
Brandon’s laugh is contagious I start laughing whenever he bursts out with the laugh and knee slap 😂😂😂
Nick never saw that picture of Shaq dunking on all the Nets players at ONE TIME 😂😂
Swaggy sounds like a little brother arguing with his older brothers that know what they’re talking about
Its because its multiple delusional old heads ganging up on him
dumb gil and crazy ass k mart were wrong and exaggerating shaq didn't even foul out a bunch of players more than twice or 3 times in a series mfs make it seem like shaq is fouling out 10 warriors a game bullcrap
Dude dint know how physical the Lakers were. Rick Fox and Robert Horry could guard and shot the ball against KD and AI. Lakers in 6!!!
"Curls gonna be swingin' left and right" im weak
There is no locking down Steph and KD
They not better than no damn shaq and Kobe…only drugs would have you assume that…
no dude just no. LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince.
And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
@@jb-fl7lei get what you saying about Shaq. But who’s he guarding on defense? When they bring him to the top of the key and switch on a screen and he gotta guard Steph OR kd all game. He never was in good shape. He’ll be tired as hell before half. It’s no way shaq can keep up with the pace of the warriors offense.
Kobe and shaq destroying they ass shaq fu king shit up
@@Cashcordell I swear, Steph a one trick pony who can't even guard his own position. The glaze is wild. Plus most of these mf's only know Steph & KD
Kobe mentioned in an interview with Ernie Johnson how much Shaq would influence this exact match up. He's so dominant that he would bring the game to a stand still and force teams to play slower.
Your only option on offense is to try to bring Shaq up out of the key, but then the Lakers could simply run zone and keep Shaq planted near the baseline.
Shaq is literally the most dominant for a reason. He would break your team down by himself.
LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince.
And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
You play zone against non shooters! If you go to a zone against a pick and roll with no help. Curry and KD would have 50 a piece!
The warriors are not letting Shaq stand on the baseline and rest on defense. Shaq gonna come out here and get switched on this screen. And if he don’t switch, D fisher gonna have a long night trying to fight over and keep up with Steph
@@datdude1021 They gon be making Shaq big ass move on the perimeter lmao his ass is getting cooked every possession on defense, and he's gonna get frustrated to the point where he's gonna start commiting dumb fouls.
@@haadtheevision committing dumb fouls and not as aggressive on the offensive end because that fatigue gonna be setting in.
Kevin Durant has averaged 27.9 points, 6.7 rebounds and 3.2 assists in 17 games versus Kenyon Martin in his career.
Shaquille O'Neal averaged 19.1 points, 10.1 rebounds and 3.0 assists in 16 games versus Kenyon Martin in his career.
1996 Chicago Bulls 72 wins, 10 losses plus a championship. 💯
3 pt line moved in the furthest it ever been in NBA history from 94-97
@@TayG_9Deuce tf does that have to do with anything.
Crazy talk they def not no comp fa that team
There’s no right answer unless it’s played. It’s all on paper. It’s not saying this match up , and who’s doing what. There’s schemes. BUT I PICK ANY TEAM THAT HAS JORDAN ON IT.
@@Silkcutit You probably didn’t even see the Bulls play. I’m not a Chicago fan but I know what I saw.
Id say '96 Bulls, '12 Heat, '08 Celtics, '14 Spurs, '01 Lakers, '11 Mavs could beat them and '04 Pistons n '07 Suns could have a good series against the KD n Steph Warriors
Amazing list🔥🔥
Heat no Dallas maybe everybody else it’s going 7
@newera5238 appreciate it g. Any that you can think of that aren't on it?
Would they win?
87 lakers and 88 pistons!!!
"If don't you and foul him, he'll have a 100 points". 😂😂😂
He can have a 100 points …3’s are more than 2’s and with how efficient that warrior team was that 100 from Shaq wouldn’t be enough
@@rodneybanner1589 lmfao you wanna talk 3s like Shaq isn't going to have 50 and 1's and make almost 70% of them. You'll be lucky if GSW shoots 35% from 3. And the fact you act like Gsw won't miss a shot. Lol
@@rodneybanner1589 and that's the point of having Kobe as part of that 2headed monster. Kobe putting 60 on curry and Klay head cuz they got to deal with Shaq . Lmao
Kenyon 110% right and if you disagree, you obviously ain’t seen those 2000s Lakers mayne
Let’s not forget these same warriors went 7 games with a 32 year old Chris Paul & James Harden My bad Chris Paul didn’t play games 6&7 so really just James Harden. Unless you want to give players like Clint Capela, Patrick Beverly, Lou Williams,Trevor Ariza , and PJ Tucker Flowers for being there as well.
Same lakers team only beat sac bc the ref was cheating and went to jail for it and cp and James better than everyone the lakers played gang
@@damnsicko4456niggas be acting like james harden not a a top 5 sg ever and that Houston team wasn’t ELITE. That Houston team is frying Sac and Portland 😂
igoudala didn't play majority of that series otherwise warriors beat the rockets in 5 refs helped those lakers against the kings 🤡✌
61 to 29 is damn near a 90 point difference
61 shots taken at 38% = 23 made = 69 points
29 shots taken at 48% = 13.92 round down 13 = 39 points
30 point difference , what you have to take into consideration is all those fouls slow down the pace of the game and all the physicality trying to defend Shaq equals more fatigue for the Warriors who were undersized which means if you played small ball , Shaq is putting Draymond and KD in foul trouble and there goes your best playmaker and scorer
@@charliestar74 that’s shots made. yo math backwards. they shooting damn near 30 a game
@@charliestar74sure but if they play small ball Shaq’s man will always be open he’s not making it down the floor straight fast breaks
I remember when Iggy locked up LeBron and won MVP 😂
Btw, nobody is guarding Kobe or Shaq. At the same time, nobody is Steph or KD. How you gonna stop the most dominant player ever? How you gonna stop the best shooter ever? They were both great teams. There’s no need to have a debate over different eras. By doing that, you’re looking down on one or the other. Just let them be. Every championship team deserved to win it no matter what events may have taken place in order for them to win.
At the end of the 3>2. And warriors 3rd option in klay (60 on 11 dribbles. 37 in one quarter) is better than any lakers 3rd option
Go check Lebron numbers he never locked up Lebron he survived
no dude just no. LAKERS all day baby!!! warriors are just going to shoot themselves into oblivion. warriors live and die by the three. warriors aint making 30 out 45 attempted threes every game in the finals against the lakers. And yall better put some respect on D Fish's name. Sure Klay and Steph are going to get their looks from three point land but Lakers aint going to make it a cake walk for them. And Phil Jackson aint no dummy. He knows Warriors got no answer for Shaq. So he'll keep having the team toss the ball to the big man down in the post to let Shaq have a field day. Dont even get me started on Kobe. Sure ill give Iggy the flowers of being a great defender... but Kobe being Kobe... he ain't ever let any legit defender stop him ala Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Ruben Patterson, Shane Battier, Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince.
And ya no shit three is better and more than 2. No doubt. But Phil Jackson aint going to let the warriors just constantly move around and let them get to their spots.
@@tevincollins2869 what was LeBrons fg% that series? It had to be subpar for LeBrons standard from what I remember
He locked up who?
Keyon really thought he guarded KD 🤣