@@Caraxes_RoguePrince To me, Kyrie has more measurable talent than Steph but Steph is the better basketball player. Like if you just ran skill challenges, I think Kyrie comes out ahead more times than not over Steph. In a game situation, however, Steph is going to produce more consistently for your team than Kyrie. If that makes sense.
I've been saying that for years. And 50 years from now, we will still be talking about him. There have been a lot of great players who played in the NBA, but no one has been discussed more than "Black Jesus."
@SeanBankin I feel what you're saying, but let's be real. Regardless of how the nba was structured, the man was dominant as a guard. Even with the most dominant center in the game. We'll still be comparing jordan to other athletes for years to come.
That's because Kobe was torching Nick in practice repeatedly. You heard him say he was high at the beginning of this segment boy still traumatized LMAO
Nobody palmed the ball and spun from the post like Jordan at Guard. Double pump in the air one handed, switch hands mid air. Jordan was a freak athlete, he really did float.
@@DaLumpy1 lack of competition back then . ant man compared to jordan cause of his athleticism but is a peon this generation facts alteast 10 players better than him
@@toerawyeanegro a player is only compared to his peers. Maybe there was competition maybe he was just head and shoulder better than them. You’re trying to compare a man who come on the league 40 years ago to players of today ofcourse it won’t look that impressive.
@@Dipset4158-17 is just dumb af when your triple doubled in career stats and kept up with the majority your whole career ya only argument is championship record which Lebron played way better comp then anyone u put in front of him😭
They were clearly comparing style of play which Lebron doesn’t play like neither on of them so you can have the opinion of thinking his is the best alll they were saying is that how is Kobe better then Micheal when we compare him to the 35 year old version not difficult to understand
Jordan didn't play against Drexler? Harper? Grant Hill? Reggie Miller? Mitch Richmond? Penny? Steve Smith? Wilkins? I can keep going... Also MJ was doing reverse pivots, crossovers, side steps and step backs EARLY.
In my opinion Mj is better but Kobe had to play against way better competition at his position. Against defenders that were 6’6 to 6’10 like battier, artest, Prince, thefolosha, kirilinko and etc. Joe dumars guarded Mike and he was 6’3
@@Maja-hs5pdKirilenko a sg now? Wtf you even on about. Sure bruh. Joe dumas really guarded Jordan 1 v 1 always. Like Rodman wasn't on that Detroit team...... Not to mention Detroit took them out, I believe 2x
I dont want to disrespect the late great Kobe Bryant but this is purely an emotional argument. Kobe didnt do anything better than Jordan. Nothing. He was the closest to Jordan in terms of style of play and mindset. But Jordan was better in almost every single way. And Kyrie is nowhere close to Steph as an overall player. A team with Kyrie as its best player has never done anything. Period. Steph has been the leader of multiple title teams, has multiple MVPs and is the best shooter ever. Steph competing for top 10 all time. Kyrie not even top 75.
These arguments literally make no sense. “Kyrie is better cause curry had to WORK on his game” 😂😂😂 “would people think stephs better if he had no chips?” Like man what….. 😂😂😂
Well there are players who just rest on the talent they had or have and keep saying “imagine if…” while other players actually go out there and accomplish things and make things happen. Steph left nothing on the table, he doesn’t need to say “imagine if I did this or that” because he actually did it.
I think it’s more like Kobe is a better skilled basketball player than Mike but Mike was such a superior athlete combined with being so fundamentally sound all around.
I don’t think Jordan would’ve done any better than Kobe did with the completion he was playing against. I would pick Kobe before I would pick MJ Kobe is more likely to defer if it’s needed.
Nobody let Kenyon say his point! Kenyon was gonna say Kobe needed counters against him and he’s a 4! Kobe was a 2. He was to slow to get past a 4. He needed counter cuz he wasn’t as fast.
Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond, Joe Dumars, Latrell Sprewell, Eddie jones, Allan Houston, Steve Smith…put some respect on the 90s guards.
Gil trying to paint Kobe as slow and unathletic is the wildest part of this whole segment. 98-06 Kobe had a lethal first step and more poster dunks than you can imagine.
He wasn’t, he was saying that MJ had more speed, quickness, and overall athleticism. Kobe’s flair was what makes me choose him as a personal favorite over MJ but MJ is a level above Kobe because he used his athleticism more efficiently than Kobe, thus being more effective than Kobe.
No version of Kobe has any of young Jordan’s athleticism and the overall point was that Kobe didn’t enhance young mj’s game which u still didn’t disprove what part of young’s mj’s game got enhanced by Kobe?
Bruh! This goes to show It don’t matter if you’re a former NBA Player, College player, or just a fan that loves basketball. Going off on a tangent OFF topic happens with EVERYBODY. This video is 42 minutes and they ain’t even spend a full 5 minutes talking about the actual topic 😂😂😂😂 gotta love It
@@travisblair3189 he is because MJ has the bag of an athlete that Kobe cant duplicate because MJ is a physical specimen, verticals, huge hands, quickness and EFFICIENCY
Curry has 2 championships when he was the best player on the team, when KD was there he averaged 26pts 6reb 6ast with with only .01 separating him from 50/40/90 😂😂😂 YOU CAN ACTUALLY GOOGLE THESE THINGS
@@804MRMAN curry has literally never made the playoffs without klay.... in his life. he missed the playoffs every year before klay got there and every year klay was hurt. basically if somebody tells you curry cant make the playoffs without klay... you just have to accept it as fact. with that being said curry is better than kyrie. but people wont let go of that that 2016 finals performance by kyrie which is effectively a FLUKE since we saw how kyrie looked in the finals with luka
@@justthatguy1808 MJ has never won a playoff series without SCOTTIE, nor win a NBA championship without him. Klay has never won a playoff series or championship without Steph. Kyrie has never won a championship without LeBron. KD has never won a championship nor been to back to back Nba finals without Curry... LET'S NOT HAVE THIS TALK AGAIN
I hate that people literally forget the fact that curry can finish at the rim and has insane handles I feel like his 3 ball is so good it diminishes his other skills
@@CobraKiller04curry changed the game forever. Basketball is played the ways it’s played today dude to this mofo. Generational talent. Kyrie more known for his wokeness and drizzling the court in frankincense at this point. Even KD looking at dude like come on bro, get it together
Naw Jordan did what he did. Nobody is taking that away from him. But if you actually watch the game, kobe had more skills than jordan, just not the accomplishments.
they always forget that. 2003 is the actual reason MJ is the GOAT. the man came back at 38-40 in the best and most skilled era of basketball and average 20 and 22 ppg with NO ATHLETICISM ... so any and all debates of MJ competition being weak or washed is 100% out of the window. because if a man can avg 20 and 22 ppg in the best era of basketball at 40!!!! wtf would he be doing at 25.
People never bring up the fact that mike shot 50% over 16 seasons Kobe didn't have "1 season"where he shot 50% Think about that The man was very efficient Also avg 1stl+ more than kobe 4 seasons avg 1blk or better Kobe mimicked SOME of mike Not all
Yup, they think efficient 2s is a lesser skill then wild 3s. Then they wonder why when it matters, the efficient 2s get you 6-0 in the finals, and 3s and a prayer just aint it.
@Dipset415 no but it has ro do with the defense he faced. And playing in a league that had over a decade to adjust to mj. The 2000s was like the least efficient era of basketball. And best defensively.
Gil talking about he didn't need a counter move for Kobe, yet he mentioned he couldnt do the same move twice on him before this show started. The revisionist history is amazing🤯
Every time it comes to Steph, these guys always say "if you take away his chips or his shooting, etc" WHY YOU GON' TAKE AWAY SOMETHING HE EARNED?! NOBODY GAVE IT TO HIM FOR FREE! What the hell??!🙄
I absolutely can’t stand the “team accomplishments are not individual accomplishments” take they always try to push. What in heaven’s name are you talking about? Teams are made up of individuals, a guy like Steph individually was adding a HUGE amount to the team, so how could that not be an individual accomplishment? Just because YOUR individual contributions to the team weren’t enough to lead to team accomplishments doesn’t mean team accomplishments don’t also count for individual accomplishments.
Match ups don’t mean shit because you still gotta beat the other team’s best player. And MJ went through Payton/Kemp, Charles Barkley MVP 93, Dream, Drexler in Portland, Magic 1991, Malone/Stockton, Mich Richmond, Reggie Miller (Knicks Killer), Larry Johnson/Zo, Penny/Shaq, David Robinson MVP, Ewing in Gotham. And then fast forward go 95-98. Enter KG, Duncan, Webber, Dirk, Finley, Jesus, Vince, Tmac, Iverson, Marbury, shaq and Kobe Lakers. Jordan's portfolio is unmatched.
Yes it does😂if my center is Dennis Rodman and the other team best player is their center and the other teams has no guards to atleast go head to head or keep them contained wat are u saying
03 Kobe would put up hella numbers on MJ in any year tf u talking about? MJ avg 28 ppg as 21 yr old rookie with the biggest greenlight to score , Kobe avg 28 ppg as a 21 yr old in 2001 as a “second option” against better competition. Stop the lies , it’s a reason MJ was jumping over everybody because mostly everybody was drunk and on cocaine in the 80s.
God bless, but that wasnt the original conversation. The conversation was Kobe was better skillfully than Jordan because he enhanced Jordans moves. Then gil came in and brought up young mj that was athletic and wasnt doing the skilled post ups. But obviously Swaggy is referring to the older Jordan when comparing kobe. So lemme ask you this. Which Jordan is better? The skilled one that one championships or the young one who was a menace and athletic? Me personally its the older, skillful Jordan, not the athletic one
What signature playoff series has Kyrie had since the 2016 when he outplayed a hurt Steph. Kyrie is not an engine he's a weapon. 2017 Steph outplayed Kyrie in 2017 Finals and Kyrie has not been dominant in the playoffs outside LeBron. This years Finals Kyrie got locked down by the Boston Celtics. Steph had one of the greatest Finals in NBA History in 22 (pretty much Smart and Holiday are the same defender Holiday is slighty better, and 22 team was a better defensive team). And Steph didn't have anybody on the level of Luka in 2024 like Kyrie. Also as much as I love Kobe, Kobe is not better than MJ. Kobe was a better 3 point shooter, footwork, and a better shot-creator and Kobe was more skilled than MJ. But, MJ did everything else better; Kobe did the same things but not as effective and efficient. And before anyone talk about the comp. Clyde, Dumars, Miller, Mullin, M. Ritchmond, Dan Marjile, Latrell Spring Well, and he played the Kobe's, Vince, TMAC, Ray Allen, so on and so fourth and even with the Wizards he was killing those guards of the 2000's as well.
KD was the best player on the Warriors for 3-4 years, and they won 2 titles. KD was the best player on the Nets. Giannis had to put Kyrie on the injury list to prevent them from winning titles. Steph and Kyrie are closer than people think.
What signature series he’s had since 2016?, even if you think he got outplayed in the 2017 finals he averaged 29/4/4 on 47/42/90 splits, the round before he averaged 26/2/5 on a absurd 62/50/92 splits, 2019 in the first round he was ok, he averaged 22/4/8 on 43/42/88 splits, 2021 in the first round he averaged 25/6/3 on 49/39/92 splits and was ok in the next round before giannis zaza pachuliaed him, he wasn’t horrible against the Celtics in 2022, he averaged 21/5/5 on 44/38/100 splits on 58% true shooting which was above the average. I wouldn’t classify 1 great game, 2 bad games and a solid game as a bad series. The first round in the 2024 playoffs against the clippers he averaged 26.5/6/5 on 51/45/85 splits and was the best player in that series, and in the western conference finals against the number one ranked defense he averaged 27/3/4 on 49/37/81 splits. So him not having a great/signature series since 2016 is cap. Steph, donavon Mitchell, Jamal Murray, lebron, Kobe, dame, harden, melo, Ai, Paul George and so many other stars/superstars have had bad series. I don’t know why you’re taxing kyrie the most over players that are better than him.🤔
@@penkima4923 No. KD wasn't the best player on the team as teams scheme for Steph and not KD. 2021 is valid but what about 22. The most skilled duo all time got swept because both are weapons not engines. Steph and Kyrie are not close at all. How? Kyrie has never been an alpha and has been a second option for most of his career. Steph has always been 1A at worst 1B
@@abtocool6350 Matter of fact your right and I was wrong about the signature series. But, in 2017 Kyrie was a little overrated in that series. He had 2 great games being Game 3 & 4. Game 1 he was solid and Game 2 and 5 he was bad. 2nd 2019 he got shut down vs the Bucks. But with that being said he wasn't the 1st option like Steph. He was the 2nd option
No Kobe won because he played for the Lakers and Gilbert played for the wizards... No one man can do it all for a sorry team outside of Shaq and Lebron
Steph is all about variety. That variety includes isolation. He's beyond elite when it comes to isolation. These dudes are just certified jealous haters. They slander and disrespect Steph for clicks.
Guess we forgot Steph was a unanimous MVP… Kyrie can dribble and score. Steph can dribble, score, lead, and win as the number 1 option. Kyrie can’t. 1v1, Kyrie. Yes. But in the way it matters, Kyrie isn’t close.
Gil was A flash..Even if he didn't get injured..He game wouldn't have aged well..He has a couple good against Kobe and thinks he Kobe Kryptonite..Say Gill and Guns not Game comes to Mind...Minus that undeserved contract he wouldn't be so Cocky...
@@chewy5007 "curry won multiple championships with draymond and klay kyrie couldnt win with harden and kd " Kyrie, Harden and KD played 16 games together. An NBA season is longer than that.
@@Kashmir-bb1cc what’s your point? Being an all star doesn’t mean you can’t get carried. Both Klay and Draymond are not only ringless without Steph but they also probably aren’t even all stars, considering all of their success has come from the entire gameplan being focused on stopping Steph.
To the point of competition - a lot of Kobe’s contemporaries got a taste of Jordan in 98 and a sample in 01-03. Ask them about Jordan’s performance and gauge their answers on MJs comp.
Kobe is LITERALLY MJ MINUS superhuman abilities… - oversized hands - 12 inch less vert - durability - strength + range - overall athleticism Prime Kobe is 93-96 MJ. Prime Kawhi is 97-03 MJ. Prime DRose & Morant are the closest player to 80’s MJ but they’re 6’3 and aren’t DPOY candidates. A snapshot of Kobe vs 80’s-early90’s MJ is when he faced D Rose. Go watch that Xmas game again.
@@badgrass_ph What’s has Kawhi been for the last 4 seasons??? An OLD INJURED FAT 40 YR OLD MJ played more games on ONE KNEE. Kawhi is playing in a much less physical era with space and less defense. Context is everything.
These dudes are ridiculous. The same arguments they used for Kyrie went against Jordan. Kyrie had the moves and skill at 18. Jordan had the speed when he came to the league. Kobe had to work but he's better than MJ but Steph had to work but he's not better? Then Nick tried to bring up how Steph played with KD, but Kyrie had LeBron. If the combo of Kyrie LeBron are the better players then kids addition shouldn't really matter. The evidence for Kyrie being better is non existent. Both played with KD but only Steph won with him. Then Kyrie played with LeBron, Luka, Tatum and Brown and Steph has more success with only KD.
Well said. The truth is Nick and Rashad were just venting their hate towards MJ. Rashad has a personal beef with MJ and Nick is from a different era that craps on the older eras. You could see that he didn't believe everything he was saying.
Funny thing is if you ask MJ and he's being honest. He would probably agree with you. MJ always thinks he's the best. But Kobe took it a step beyond what MJ was doing. In a 1v1 MJ even said Kobe was probably the one who could beat him.
😂 Jordan literally said to end the quote “because he copies my moves” that sound like he complimenting Kobe or is he saying the only way I can lose is if someone copy’s my ability
@@andregardiner3071 I think he’s implying both lol. 😂 Kobe is definitely not Air Jordan. But Kobe is definitely championship Jordan. Jordan became a complete player whenever he started win those championships. Kobe Definitely recognize that.
Whoever says Kobe is better than MJ is crazy! This whole conversation is ridiculous and Nick Young lost his mind. First Nick said the Warriors were better than Shaq and Kobe. Now Kobe better than Mike? Bruh.....
Gilbert & Kenyon are the only ones that speak wit intelligence,logic & and has an unbiased outlook! They speaks facts the others on the panel are just fans who likes to hear themselves talk!🤦🏾♂️
Gil literally was arguing a pointless point. Who cares if Jordan is more athletic, the entire point was Kobe is more skilled than Jordan. Which Gil never denied he just said Jordan didn't need to be that skilled because of his athleticism. So, pretty much he agreed with Nick and McCants that Kobe is more skilled than Jordan
Gil is 50-50 on his takes. Kenyon when a topic is not just shouting and shouting, is pretty well spoken and has a level headed approach with his opinions. I was honestly surprised with KMart, given his playing history.
Curry is literally a two time scoring champ. One of those seasons was with most of his team injured. Kyrie has has NEVER DONE THAT. Matter of fact, Kyrie has never averaged over 30 ever. Curry has done it twice.
All that cooking Kyrie was doing before Lebron came led to his team getting two #1 draft picks in Wiggins and Bennett, Kyrie was a loser before Lebron came
@@andrejamison2723 then why hasn’t Kyrie done it, because he damn sure isn’t an elite defender. Second, if you think Steph isn’t initiating offense, then you shouldn’t be watching basketball
@@southsidetee7152 Green runs the offense the same way Boris Diaw in San Antonio did and Pippen did in Chicago. The GSW are running a mix of the Spurs offense that beat Miami down and the Triangle. Curry is playing Tony Parker and Steve Kerr role.
People were never this vocal about kobe being the GOAT until he passed away. He was ALWAYS 2nd to MJ while alive. So much so that Lebron jumped him in the public eye before Kobe even retired. The added push that he is the goat is because of people's fondness of him now that he is gone. Gil is just pushing back.
Gilbert keeps talking about Kobe like he was a turtle or something, continuosly saying that he wasn't fast or quick. Even if Kobe didn't have MJ, Westbrook, D Rose, or Lbj explosiveness that doesn't mean that he wasn't a great athlete. Kobe had good speed not great, but he definitely had great quickness. Kobe had arguably the best combination of skill and athleticism besides Jordan.
Gilbert is hating on Kobe hard. Kobe had one of the best 1st steps in history in his first 10 years. He started all that counter pump fake crap when he got older.
Gilbert was 100% right about what he said about Kobe... Kobe looked like older Jordan because he had great acting skills to pretend to be Jordan but Kobe missed most of those shots they didn't go in
McCants wearing the shirt of Kobe dunking on Dwight is hilarious 😂😂
That's so disrespectful. He knew he was coming on the show
What is Bru on 😂 that's wild ASF 💀
He’s a great troll 😂
Lmao I just seen that he’s a top rated troll
Wild work 😂😂😂😂
Lexi the sober niece watching all her drunk uncles argue 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
LMAO
Great comment 😂😂😂
She definitely drunk af saying Kyrie better than Steph
@@Caraxes_RoguePrince To me, Kyrie has more measurable talent than Steph but Steph is the better basketball player. Like if you just ran skill challenges, I think Kyrie comes out ahead more times than not over Steph. In a game situation, however, Steph is going to produce more consistently for your team than Kyrie. If that makes sense.
Dwight was thinking "why did I go to this podcast 😂😂😂😂😂
he was lookn 4 the d
I came looking for this comment
What's crazy to me is this man been gone from the league for YEARS and he's still talked about today lol really tells you how great he really was....
I've been saying that for years. And 50 years from now, we will still be talking about him. There have been a lot of great players who played in the NBA, but no one has been discussed more than "Black Jesus."
21yrs and counting
@@jego23allan He did play in a league that was top heavy tbf. Luke Longley for example, wouldnt even crack a roster today bro.
@SeanBankin I feel what you're saying, but let's be real. Regardless of how the nba was structured, the man was dominant as a guard. Even with the most dominant center in the game. We'll still be comparing jordan to other athletes for years to come.
What a statement. Wow. Been gone from the league for a 20 piece and arguments get brought up, his name will be in it
Nick ain’t takin no Kobe slander 😂
Frfr
Kobe recovering from Acl & injured was still better than the whole roster 😂
Saying MJ is better is not Kobe slander , if u kno ball u kno MJ was better
@@moneyman4740Kobe was more skilled than MJ
That's because Kobe was torching Nick in practice repeatedly. You heard him say he was high at the beginning of this segment boy still traumatized LMAO
“Lemme dunk on Dwight Howard…. Ohhh my bad” Nick Young is jokes fr 😂😂😂
Funniest part I’ve seen so far this episode 😅
Shit had me dead 😭😭😭 LMAO
That was hella funny
Don’t forget lebron averaged 37 PPG against McCants.
Destroyed that little boy
@@YoungBlackMillionairesayo pause
It’s funny mccants was present and witnessed LeBron give his team 45 and 51 🤣
@@ProfJonJonwhat your visualizing is pause
@@mlkt8550 still hating
Everybody will defend their GOAT till the end. But Gil making the most sense.
⏱️ Timestamps by TimeSkip ⏱️
00:00:00 - Kyrie vs. MJ Debate
00:01:39 - Kobe vs. MJ Discussion
00:02:32 - Kobe's Skill Set vs. MJ
00:03:33 - MJ's Fadeaway vs. Kobe's Moves
00:08:22 - Kobe's Evolution as a Player
00:11:48 - Comparing College Stats
00:19:58 - Athleticism: Kobe vs. MJ
00:20:44 - Physicality vs Skill
00:21:43 - Guarding Strategies Explained
00:24:21 - Speed vs Moves in Basketball
00:28:23 - Kyrie vs Curry Debate
00:29:40 - Kyrie's Skills vs Steph's
00:35:30 - Career Comparisons: Kyrie & Steph
00:39:52 - One-on-One Matchup Insights
00:40:42 - LeBron's Legacy Discussion
00:41:23 - Kyrie vs. LeBron
00:41:59 - Austin Reaves Performance
Goated
MVP
You the MVP
Props well deserved 👍🏾
Nobody palmed the ball and spun from the post like Jordan at Guard. Double pump in the air one handed, switch hands mid air. Jordan was a freak athlete, he really did float.
Facts 🐐Kobe also the goat
Anthony Edwards be floating like him right now
@@bohammondlee7472no even close
@@beverlypark2597
Nope
@@demondwilliams8542ant man is a walmart version of mj Athletically.
Lol I mean in fairness the way that tweet is worded is confusing AF. Idk what he’s even trying to say 😂
His butt💨💨💨
Josiah can't even say the tweet out loud. Maybe punctuation does have a use.
he was high asf had to be 😂
There is no in fairness. That tweet was written like a 5 year old with ZERO punctuation. I struggled to read that gibberish.
Zero punctuation. Nick never went to school.
"'Huh?' my ass, if you 'huh?', you can hear" 😂
21:31 FLOORED me. "If you can't stop this one, two boom
...then what the f*** do i need to do dis sh** for" 😂
Lmfaooooo yoooo
He’s mister 1/4 flat he always ducked the best defender 😭
😂😂
Yeah that shit was funny 😂😂😂
This was hilarious watchin in real time.😂😂😂😂
They was so heated I forgot what they was arguing about 😂
😭😭😭
It was crazy watching this live. Definitely the best episode 😂
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The yelling for 30 minutes is wild 😂
That “SHUT UP!” At 19:59 was powerful 😂😂😂
bruh i read the comment as soon as he said it
Gil bodied this topic. MJ ain’t mythical because he won 6: he’s AIR, because of his sky-walking well before the chips
@@DaLumpy1 lack of competition back then . ant man compared to jordan cause of his athleticism but is a peon this generation facts alteast 10 players better than him
6 finals Mvps dont make you mythical? not to mention the MVPs...
@@yarmus718 lack of competition back then weak 90s facts no great teams lot of good teams
@@toerawyeanegro a player is only compared to his peers. Maybe there was competition maybe he was just head and shoulder better than them. You’re trying to compare a man who come on the league 40 years ago to players of today ofcourse it won’t look that impressive.
@@toerawyea 2011
Speaking on MJ name like this is wild. This era is beyond cooked.
Why not ? He’s still just a human lol
@@avagantamos3right, then get mad when Ant man said what he said like they haven't created the God Jordan
Not when comparing to Kobe
Nobody here commenting is from this era lol.
@@NazarethSavage84cause at man was wrong and didn’t watch 80s and 90s basketball cause he wasn’t alive goofy
These arguments contradict SO much to the ones they make for Lebron being GOAT over MJ. So bad 😂
Only lebron fans believe that everybody else he’s 8-17
I was literally saying the same thing. Gil changes his stance when it benefits him
Not really had nothing to do with lebrons greatness because he’s a whole different style
@@Dipset4158-17 is just dumb af when your triple doubled in career stats and kept up with the majority your whole career ya only argument is championship record which Lebron played way better comp then anyone u put in front of him😭
They were clearly comparing style of play which Lebron doesn’t play like neither on of them so you can have the opinion of thinking his is the best alll they were saying is that how is Kobe better then Micheal when we compare him to the 35 year old version not difficult to understand
I like MJ and Kobe both but the disrespect to "AIR JORDAN" is insane
"Nobody wearing no Worthy's bro" i'm dead 😂 Imagine dudes camping in line for the Worthy's LOL
Worthy is underrated and old-school. I want some Worthy apparel now.
It would be dope marketing. Plenty market slogans could be thought of. "Are you worthy of Air Worthy's". 😂
I want to buy some Worthy's asap
@@WarAgeTVnew balance 550
Lop I had the new balance worthys when they dropped in the 2000s
Gil nailed it. This generation only knows 95-98 MJ. They don't know 85-92 MJ. There's NO ONE like AIR JORDAN ‼️
Afro Kobe was just like that
@@everybodywannabelikemike_idk why they tryna act like these comparisons came when kobe was 24 shii been coming when he was 8 😂😂
It absolutely did
@@gurruuuuno he wasn’t😂😂😂 Afro Kobe was barely dunking between his legs in the dunk contest I love bean but he was never as athletic as mike
@@BigDilf3if you didn't watch young or afro kobe then just say that
We might have witnessed a top 5 episode with this one
Man hold up 😂😂😂😂
Aye facts 😂
It’s easily a top 5
😅 this shit got me chuckling the whole damn way through
“All MJ did was middies and layups”. That just shows how simple greatness is. MJ didn’t need a bunch of moves, dribbles to dominate.
Jordan didn't play against Drexler? Harper? Grant Hill? Reggie Miller? Mitch Richmond? Penny? Steve Smith? Wilkins? I can keep going... Also MJ was doing reverse pivots, crossovers, side steps and step backs EARLY.
I will only accept Clyde drexler and grant hill off this list
@@himmie1 🤯
@@himmie1Reggie was a monster too but your right... The top 10 guys in the 90s were legit, but the other 300 wouldn't be able to play in this era
@@WarAgeTVnigga must not heard who Mitch Richmond is c'mon brotha I'm speaking to @himme1
lmfao!!!!!.....those players cant compare to all who kobe played...cuz kobe torched most of your lil list too.
Barbershop argument energy😂
Kobe v Jordan
Seasons : *20 v 15*
Playoffs : *15 v 13*
ALL⭐️ : *18 v 14*
SMVP : *1 v 5*
FMVP : *2 v 6*
DPOY : *0 v 1*
Score Ldr : *2 v 10*
Steal Ldr : *0 v 3*
PPG : *25 v 30*
FG% : *44.7 v 49.7*
RIP Kobe 🙏🧐 🤷♂️ MJ 🐐
In my opinion Mj is better but Kobe had to play against way better competition at his position. Against defenders that were 6’6 to 6’10 like battier, artest, Prince, thefolosha, kirilinko and etc. Joe dumars guarded Mike and he was 6’3
@@Maja-hs5pdKirilenko a sg now? Wtf you even on about. Sure bruh. Joe dumas really guarded Jordan 1 v 1 always. Like Rodman wasn't on that Detroit team......
Not to mention Detroit took them out, I believe 2x
Artist played old Mike and prime kobe he said Jordan was better
@@Maja-hs5pdJordan played against a lot of the players Kobe played against & great players before Kobe era too.
You forgot the most important stat
Kobe competition v mj competition
Clyde Drexler, Reggie Miller, Dominque Wilkins, Ron Harper were the shooting guards MJ played against.
I dont want to disrespect the late great Kobe Bryant but this is purely an emotional argument. Kobe didnt do anything better than Jordan. Nothing. He was the closest to Jordan in terms of style of play and mindset. But Jordan was better in almost every single way.
And Kyrie is nowhere close to Steph as an overall player. A team with Kyrie as its best player has never done anything. Period. Steph has been the leader of multiple title teams, has multiple MVPs and is the best shooter ever. Steph competing for top 10 all time. Kyrie not even top 75.
Preach! 🙏🏾
wrong, he was a better free throw shooter and three point shooter.
Handles.stop it
Bro Kobe was a way.better 3 point shooter stop it and handles was better Jordan
Dribble, 3ps passing.. what are you talking about
These arguments literally make no sense. “Kyrie is better cause curry had to WORK on his game” 😂😂😂 “would people think stephs better if he had no chips?” Like man what….. 😂😂😂
😂😂
Curry better Fosho kyrie only better in the one on one match up
@@lildimes407 i dont even know because they both dont get stops and 3s is better than 2s
@@fishnr kyrie was cooking bro everytime but I’d easily rather have curry for my team if that make sense
Well there are players who just rest on the talent they had or have and keep saying “imagine if…” while other players actually go out there and accomplish things and make things happen. Steph left nothing on the table, he doesn’t need to say “imagine if I did this or that” because he actually did it.
I think it’s more like Kobe is a better skilled basketball player than Mike but Mike was such a superior athlete combined with being so fundamentally sound all around.
Nah bruh you tripping. LOL
I don’t think Jordan would’ve done any better than Kobe did with the completion he was playing against. I would pick Kobe before I would pick MJ Kobe is more likely to defer if it’s needed.
No
@@Nat_Turner10_8I agree . Good comment
Tell me you know nothing about basketball without telling me you know nothing about basketball
Nobody let Kenyon say his point! Kenyon was gonna say Kobe needed counters against him and he’s a 4! Kobe was a 2. He was to slow to get past a 4. He needed counter cuz he wasn’t as fast.
Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond, Joe Dumars, Latrell Sprewell, Eddie jones, Allan Houston, Steve Smith…put some respect on the 90s guards.
With all due respect none of them are better than the star guards Kobe matched up with lol
@@Snapbackboy22 like who tmac avg 19 and carter avg 16 drexler avg more then both 😂😂😂😂
@@kylonp7311 against......who???...no one on that list compares to Tmac alone. lmao @ you!
lmfaaaoooo!!!!....hope your not comparing this to who kobe played
People don't know about Mitch Richmond. It's sad.
Kobe bank over dwade and heat on Christmas was indeed a wild shot. I still remember watching that live and going crazyyy 😂
Man I'll Nev forget that.
He did that on a prime dwade too!
Gil trying to paint Kobe as slow and unathletic is the wildest part of this whole segment. 98-06 Kobe had a lethal first step and more poster dunks than you can imagine.
He wasn’t, he was saying that MJ had more speed, quickness, and overall athleticism. Kobe’s flair was what makes me choose him as a personal favorite over MJ but MJ is a level above Kobe because he used his athleticism more efficiently than Kobe, thus being more effective than Kobe.
@jeremiah_12 he literally said when you're slow and un-athletic you have to do a bunch of moves like Kobe.
Yeah shits weird he mentions Kobe mimicking Mike past his athletic prime but largely ignores young bean in his athletic prime
No version of Kobe has any of young Jordan’s athleticism and the overall point was that Kobe didn’t enhance young mj’s game which u still didn’t disprove what part of young’s mj’s game got enhanced by Kobe?
Gil is the player Magic was talking about
Bruh! This goes to show It don’t matter if you’re a former NBA Player, College player, or just a fan that loves basketball. Going off on a tangent OFF topic happens with EVERYBODY. This video is 42 minutes and they ain’t even spend a full 5 minutes talking about the actual topic 😂😂😂😂 gotta love It
It's a sad day when Gilbert is the one who is making the most sense.
He wasn't at all.
Nigga started saying kobe having counters to his moves was why jordan was better how that make sense 😂
@@travisblair3189 he is because MJ has the bag of an athlete that Kobe cant duplicate because MJ is a physical specimen, verticals, huge hands, quickness and EFFICIENCY
We have multiple seasons of what an NBA teams ceiling is when Curry or Irving is the best player on a team.
Curry has 2 championships when he was the best player on the team, when KD was there he averaged 26pts 6reb 6ast with with only .01 separating him from 50/40/90 😂😂😂 YOU CAN ACTUALLY GOOGLE THESE THINGS
@@804MRMAN curry has literally never made the playoffs without klay.... in his life. he missed the playoffs every year before klay got there and every year klay was hurt. basically if somebody tells you curry cant make the playoffs without klay... you just have to accept it as fact. with that being said curry is better than kyrie. but people wont let go of that that 2016 finals performance by kyrie which is effectively a FLUKE since we saw how kyrie looked in the finals with luka
@@justthatguy1808 MJ has never won a playoff series without SCOTTIE, nor win a NBA championship without him. Klay has never won a playoff series or championship without Steph. Kyrie has never won a championship without LeBron. KD has never won a championship nor been to back to back Nba finals without Curry... LET'S NOT HAVE THIS TALK AGAIN
@804MRMAN Every thing up until the first comma is my point.
@@thomascrowniii1693 That's the problem...26PTS 6REBS 6AST WHILE PLAYING WITH KID IN 188 GAMES!!! Yet you want to forget that 🤔
😂😂😂😂😂😂 ya wild. Listening to this with a blunt is hella entertaining
When Jordan was 18 he was hitting the game winning shot in the National Championship.
I hate that people literally forget the fact that curry can finish at the rim and has insane handles I feel like his 3 ball is so good it diminishes his other skills
I've been saying that since Stephen A keot calling him the greatest shooter. It became a monaker but ignored everything else he does great.
Ky is better period
said....no one
It doesn’t us who no we no top 5 in my lifetime behind mj Kobe Hakeem Kareem only outta respect cause eye test says curry over kareem
@@CobraKiller04curry changed the game forever. Basketball is played the ways it’s played today dude to this mofo. Generational talent.
Kyrie more known for his wokeness and drizzling the court in frankincense at this point. Even KD looking at dude like come on bro, get it together
MJ 6 championships, 6 finals mvps, 5 regular season mvps, 10 scoring titles, 1 dpoy, 50% FG%. Kobe 5 championships, 2 finals mvps, 2 scoring titles, 45% FG%.
New school really tryna erase MJ lol
Big big facts...not new school..lebron is..the media..
@@GeeCruz-rb3wt Bron piped yo mama or sum?
We have our opinion bro damn. Everybody got Mj over Kobe let us have this one. STFU
Naw Jordan did what he did. Nobody is taking that away from him. But if you actually watch the game, kobe had more skills than jordan, just not the accomplishments.
@@HighSecurityAlertno he didn’t if Kobe had more skills he would’ve won more mvps scoring titles DPOYs and would’ve had a higher ppg hush it kid 😂😂😂😂
That “SHUTUP” took me out 20:00
He went full Little Richard on Swaggy P lol.
Lol I thought the same thing 😂😂
I’ve been running that shit back so many times! Dying laughing lmao
Lmao that shyt was like a whip
nah nick still stood on tenn tho kinda 😂😂😂
You will never win a basketball argument with this younger generation Period smh
MJ had a deep bag. The old man in Washington proved he could keep up skill wise.
What was the point of coming at len bias?
they always forget that. 2003 is the actual reason MJ is the GOAT. the man came back at 38-40 in the best and most skilled era of basketball and average 20 and 22 ppg with NO ATHLETICISM ... so any and all debates of MJ competition being weak or washed is 100% out of the window. because if a man can avg 20 and 22 ppg in the best era of basketball at 40!!!! wtf would he be doing at 25.
mj had zero left hand and his footwork was light years behind kobes.
@@jonhampton7122.....U a Damm Dummmy
Jordan on the wizards couldnt even reach the playoffs in the weak east .
he was just stat padding on the wizards
@@jonhampton7122u wasn’t alive to watch Jordan where do u think Kobe got the footwork from goofy 😂😂😂😂
Steph is not a system player, HE IS THE SYTEM!!!
He is a system player.
@@penkima4923 he made the mf system
@@Shuffffff Steve Kerr came up with the system.
Right… wtf are they talking about. People don’t even hide their favoritism no more
@@penkima4923- Give the ball to Steph is the system
Pass the ball..37 pass the ball..37 pass the ball..37
😂😂
21:18 I AM CRYING! Nick sounds like a little brother getting picked on "STOP MAN!" LMAO
People never bring up the fact that mike shot 50% over 16 seasons
Kobe didn't have "1 season"where he shot 50%
Think about that
The man was very efficient
Also avg 1stl+ more than kobe
4 seasons avg 1blk or better
Kobe mimicked SOME of mike
Not all
Yup, they think efficient 2s is a lesser skill then wild 3s. Then they wonder why when it matters, the efficient 2s get you 6-0 in the finals, and 3s and a prayer just aint it.
...against..farmers....people never bring up that fact_except actually NBA players
Kobe competition was tuffer
Which has nothing to do with skill set which is what the conversation is about
@Dipset415 no but it has ro do with the defense he faced. And playing in a league that had over a decade to adjust to mj. The 2000s was like the least efficient era of basketball. And best defensively.
Gil talking about he didn't need a counter move for Kobe, yet he mentioned he couldnt do the same move twice on him before this show started. The revisionist history is amazing🤯
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Gil "1-4 Flat" Arenas is a troll in the truest sense of the term. He'll say whatever it takes to keep the segment going.
Then thats not a counter move. A counter move is within the same position.
Changing your initial approach move is not the same.
He is correct.
that's not a counter move then that's a entire different move
@@nycxtbh947 he said he does the same moves and gets past everyone you clearly didn't listen to him
28:44 Kenyon: "Tap tap tap dance tap tap tap dance" 😂😂😂
Watching this debate makes me realize playing basketball doesn’t mean you understand basketball.
Say's who, the person who doesn't play basketball at a high level.
@ Yes.
@@ryanhumorBut did you tho?
Not trying to start a argument am just asking
@@bosslikethis7029 You’re correct. I did not play basketball at a “high level”.
Every time it comes to Steph, these guys always say "if you take away his chips or his shooting, etc" WHY YOU GON' TAKE AWAY SOMETHING HE EARNED?! NOBODY GAVE IT TO HIM FOR FREE! What the hell??!🙄
Great point.
@@dcgrace320 Thank you!! It's crazy how nobody on that panel brings that up
@@christusxo Definitely adding this to my comebacks lol
I absolutely can’t stand the “team accomplishments are not individual accomplishments” take they always try to push. What in heaven’s name are you talking about? Teams are made up of individuals, a guy like Steph individually was adding a HUGE amount to the team, so how could that not be an individual accomplishment? Just because YOUR individual contributions to the team weren’t enough to lead to team accomplishments doesn’t mean team accomplishments don’t also count for individual accomplishments.
@@back2back379 Exactly! And They always do that when it comes to Steph. At this point it's probably personal.
Match ups don’t mean shit because you still gotta beat the other team’s best player. And MJ went through Payton/Kemp, Charles Barkley MVP 93, Dream, Drexler in Portland, Magic 1991, Malone/Stockton, Mich Richmond, Reggie Miller (Knicks Killer), Larry Johnson/Zo, Penny/Shaq, David Robinson MVP, Ewing in Gotham. And then fast forward go 95-98. Enter KG, Duncan, Webber, Dirk, Finley, Jesus, Vince, Tmac, Iverson, Marbury, shaq and Kobe Lakers. Jordan's portfolio is unmatched.
U right but match ups do play its part but at least MJ dominated still regardless but I do believe bron played the hardest comp
@@lildimes407Ofc they matter lol what are you talking about!
Yes it does😂if my center is Dennis Rodman and the other team best player is their center and the other teams has no guards to atleast go head to head or keep them contained wat are u saying
Lexi look so good. Playing her role not saying a damn thing.
Exactly 💪🏿
Shit was so sexy
Molly should take notes
she is probably a lesbian. Most of the WNBA players are
How can someone less efficient and less effective by himself better than Jordan 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kobe not fw 84-93 Jordan
Nobody is
03 Kobe would put up hella numbers on MJ in any year tf u talking about? MJ avg 28 ppg as 21 yr old rookie with the biggest greenlight to score , Kobe avg 28 ppg as a 21 yr old in 2001 as a “second option” against better competition. Stop the lies , it’s a reason MJ was jumping over everybody because mostly everybody was drunk and on cocaine in the 80s.
@@Carolinagunsmoke Kobe was boring in 78..how on tf is he 21 years old on 2001????
@@Carolinagunsmoke - Shaq was getting double teamed. More openings for Kobe. Give MJ a Shaq and see how much he would of scored.
@@Carolinagunsmoke Sound ridiculous 🤣
People don’t understand 88-93 Jordan was super human. Kobe couldn’t do anything with that guy. These youngins like nick young and mccants are clueless
Kobe would torch Jordan Jordan had issues with Joe dumars gtfoh
@@SaviiqKobe also had issues too
God bless, but that wasnt the original conversation. The conversation was Kobe was better skillfully than Jordan because he enhanced Jordans moves. Then gil came in and brought up young mj that was athletic and wasnt doing the skilled post ups. But obviously Swaggy is referring to the older Jordan when comparing kobe. So lemme ask you this. Which Jordan is better? The skilled one that one championships or the young one who was a menace and athletic? Me personally its the older, skillful Jordan, not the athletic one
Jordan played every game healthy, injured, sick whatever he was really the epitome of pro athlete
Even that MJ can’t guard 03 Kobe though
These ninjas really think basketball is 1v1 lol
They all played so it doesnt matter
I mean it kinda is
@@MichiganHendough what that gotta do with my comment? They make it seem like basketball is entirely 1v1
You mean the pros who actually played? Yea just leave your invalid opinion to yourself
@jaypc6680 I didn't know they played 1v1 in the nba. I guess you learn everyday 🤦
My tucked his chain in when Kenyon started yelling at 5:20 I’m in tears lol
MJ floats in the air. This is what happens when you make everything look easy. 🤦🏽♂️
Yooo nick is the man 🤣🤣🤣 he ain’t letting anyone disrespect Kobe he real 🐍
He's just running his clown ass mouth as usual.
What signature playoff series has Kyrie had since the 2016 when he outplayed a hurt Steph. Kyrie is not an engine he's a weapon. 2017 Steph outplayed Kyrie in 2017 Finals and Kyrie has not been dominant in the playoffs outside LeBron. This years Finals Kyrie got locked down by the Boston Celtics. Steph had one of the greatest Finals in NBA History in 22 (pretty much Smart and Holiday are the same defender Holiday is slighty better, and 22 team was a better defensive team). And Steph didn't have anybody on the level of Luka in 2024 like Kyrie.
Also as much as I love Kobe, Kobe is not better than MJ. Kobe was a better 3 point shooter, footwork, and a better shot-creator and Kobe was more skilled than MJ. But, MJ did everything else better; Kobe did the same things but not as effective and efficient. And before anyone talk about the comp. Clyde, Dumars, Miller, Mullin, M. Ritchmond, Dan Marjile, Latrell Spring Well, and he played the Kobe's, Vince, TMAC, Ray Allen, so on and so fourth and even with the Wizards he was killing those guards of the 2000's as well.
KD was the best player on the Warriors for 3-4 years, and they won 2 titles.
KD was the best player on the Nets. Giannis had to put Kyrie on the injury list to prevent them from winning titles.
Steph and Kyrie are closer than people think.
What signature series he’s had since 2016?, even if you think he got outplayed in the 2017 finals he averaged 29/4/4 on 47/42/90 splits, the round before he averaged 26/2/5 on a absurd 62/50/92 splits, 2019 in the first round he was ok, he averaged 22/4/8 on 43/42/88 splits, 2021 in the first round he averaged 25/6/3 on 49/39/92 splits and was ok in the next round before giannis zaza pachuliaed him, he wasn’t horrible against the Celtics in 2022, he averaged 21/5/5 on 44/38/100 splits on 58% true shooting which was above the average. I wouldn’t classify 1 great game, 2 bad games and a solid game as a bad series. The first round in the 2024 playoffs against the clippers he averaged 26.5/6/5 on 51/45/85 splits and was the best player in that series, and in the western conference finals against the number one ranked defense he averaged 27/3/4 on 49/37/81 splits. So him not having a great/signature series since 2016 is cap. Steph, donavon Mitchell, Jamal Murray, lebron, Kobe, dame, harden, melo, Ai, Paul George and so many other stars/superstars have had bad series. I don’t know why you’re taxing kyrie the most over players that are better than him.🤔
You can't compare a dynasty to a team of young players + Kyrie
@@penkima4923 No. KD wasn't the best player on the team as teams scheme for Steph and not KD. 2021 is valid but what about 22. The most skilled duo all time got swept because both are weapons not engines. Steph and Kyrie are not close at all. How? Kyrie has never been an alpha and has been a second option for most of his career. Steph has always been 1A at worst 1B
@@abtocool6350 Matter of fact your right and I was wrong about the signature series. But, in 2017 Kyrie was a little overrated in that series. He had 2 great games being Game 3 & 4. Game 1 he was solid and Game 2 and 5 he was bad. 2nd 2019 he got shut down vs the Bucks. But with that being said he wasn't the 1st option like Steph. He was the 2nd option
Swaggy P and McCants can't even stand next to MJ 😂😂😂
This was the best show from start to finish in a while😂🔥
The Steph disrespect is wild man a 2 time MVP and 2 time scoring champ ROLL OUT A BALL
That is why Kobe won and Gil never did !! that extra move !!
A.I. was very athletic while kyrie and curry rely on moves because they don’t have Derrick Rose blow by speed.
No Kobe won because he played for the Lakers and Gilbert played for the wizards... No one man can do it all for a sorry team outside of Shaq and Lebron
My brothers. Love the conversation. It's the best
People sleep on Curry ISO bag. It’s deep than you think.
Steph is all about variety. That variety includes isolation. He's beyond elite when it comes to isolation. These dudes are just certified jealous haters. They slander and disrespect Steph for clicks.
it is but its not kyrie
@@Dams410 I've posted hours worth of it on Twitter. It's always crickets when I show up with videos and legit stats.
@@Dams410 I've posted hours worth of it on X. It's always crickets when I show up with videos and legit stats.
@@Dams410 Whenever I show them hours worth of videos and legit stats, it's always crickets.
Guess we forgot Steph was a unanimous MVP… Kyrie can dribble and score. Steph can dribble, score, lead, and win as the number 1 option. Kyrie can’t. 1v1, Kyrie. Yes. But in the way it matters, Kyrie isn’t close.
Curry has missed the playoffs 3 times in the least 5 years. You mean curry has more opportunities to fail and succeed as a number 1 option than Kyrie.
@terrence8483 we've already seen kyrie as a number 1 and it's embarrassing 😂
They wouldn't let me post a reply..You tube is weird with there Censorship..Wtf is Unalive crap..
Gil was A flash..Even if he didn't get injured..He game wouldn't have aged well..He has a couple good against Kobe and thinks he Kobe Kryptonite..Say Gill and Guns not Game comes to Mind...Minus that undeserved contract he wouldn't be so Cocky...
Curry is the Original One, he changed the game. Kyrie is Iverson 2.0. Wilt, Larry, Magic, MJ, Lebron, Shaq and Curry. They all changed the game.
Bruh Gil smokin rock saying Kobe wasn’t physically gifted bruh wtf smdh
He was not. He was not a superior athlete like Jordan.
@@poloregalNot a superior athlete but young Kobe was a freak of nature in his own right
Seriously gill is an idiot
@@westside8514that’s his point tho
@@eghoseisiramen1892 No his point was Kobe needed skill .. The Young Kobe didn’t need that .. he was dunking with the best of em !!!
This episode is HILARIOUS 😂😂😂😂😂
Unanimous MVP vs Kyrie 😂
Kyrie's peak was like a few seasons. Steph's peak was arguably shorter.
@@penkima4923 curry won multiple championships with draymond and klay kyrie couldnt win with harden and kd 😂
@@penkima4923 Can you enlighten us about those Kyrie's peak seasons please ??
@@penkima4923pure delusion
@@chewy5007 "curry won multiple championships with draymond and klay kyrie couldnt win with harden and kd "
Kyrie, Harden and KD played 16 games together. An NBA season is longer than that.
From Dallas. So Steph can actually carry a team... Kyrie is prob the best sidekick but he can't carry a team like Steph.
Kyrie is not a role player he’s a sidekick
When did Steph carry a team ?
@@Kashmir-bb1cc2013-16 and 2022
@@tyronemaxwell8091 there were no other all stars on the team during that time ?
@@Kashmir-bb1cc what’s your point? Being an all star doesn’t mean you can’t get carried. Both Klay and Draymond are not only ringless without Steph but they also probably aren’t even all stars, considering all of their success has come from the entire gameplan being focused on stopping Steph.
Magic Johnson never go on Girl Arenas podcast because he only talks to winners . Nobody on Gil show ever won
😂😂😂😂
McCants got a chip
Nick got that Warriors chip lol on the house 😂
lexi and nick won a chip 😂
@@getrealhoodlexi has a chip too😂
To the point of competition - a lot of Kobe’s contemporaries got a taste of Jordan in 98 and a sample in 01-03. Ask them about Jordan’s performance and gauge their answers on MJs comp.
Kobe’s a worse MJ. Less efficient for his career. Will never be another MJ!
You sound dumb. Kobe is better...its about time someone said it
Kobe is LITERALLY MJ MINUS superhuman abilities…
- oversized hands
- 12 inch less vert
- durability
- strength
+ range
- overall athleticism
Prime Kobe is 93-96 MJ.
Prime Kawhi is 97-03 MJ.
Prime DRose & Morant are the closest player to 80’s MJ but they’re 6’3 and aren’t DPOY candidates.
A snapshot of Kobe vs 80’s-early90’s MJ is when he faced D Rose.
Go watch that Xmas game again.
Prime Kawhi was far better than 98-03 MJ.
@@penkima4923 I’m talking play-style but even if we’re talking overall… Kawhi was NOT better than 98-03 MJ. Kawhi was as good at best.
@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154 98-03 were MJ's worst three seasons. Kawhi was better at everything in comparison.
@@penkima4923 Kawhi is more like 97-98, dude up top is crazy for including the wizards seasons. 🤣🤣
@@badgrass_ph What’s has Kawhi been for the last 4 seasons??? An OLD INJURED FAT 40 YR OLD MJ played more games on ONE KNEE. Kawhi is playing in a much less physical era with space and less defense.
Context is everything.
Kyrie has never won the mvp..... Curry has two
Kyrie hasn’t done nothing since lebron
Steph curry has only played better than kyrie in 2 games head to head
@@himmie1 you don’t know what you talking about
@@Newportnews98and people say he deserve to be top 75 over Dame
@@himmie1 tf that has to do with anything? You think Kyrie is better?
Gil was cooking this episode
These dudes are ridiculous. The same arguments they used for Kyrie went against Jordan. Kyrie had the moves and skill at 18. Jordan had the speed when he came to the league. Kobe had to work but he's better than MJ but Steph had to work but he's not better? Then Nick tried to bring up how Steph played with KD, but Kyrie had LeBron. If the combo of Kyrie LeBron are the better players then kids addition shouldn't really matter. The evidence for Kyrie being better is non existent. Both played with KD but only Steph won with him. Then Kyrie played with LeBron, Luka, Tatum and Brown and Steph has more success with only KD.
Well said. The truth is Nick and Rashad were just venting their hate towards MJ. Rashad has a personal beef with MJ and Nick is from a different era that craps on the older eras. You could see that he didn't believe everything he was saying.
The MJ blasphemy
Steph as well
K Mart took me out with the "Tap tap tap tap dance"😂🤣
29:36 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Curry gat More in his bag then Stef do am dieing 💀💀
He meant Kyrie everyone makes that mistake 🤓🤡
STEPH WAS A MVP BEFORE HE GOT A RING KYRIE A GLORIFIED #2
Steph is a glorified 2nd option, as well.
@@penkima4923exactly bro lol curry was a number two
@@penkima4923bro what how man times has he been to the finals in the past 10 years without kd
@@EdotCrazzyno point of reasoning with retards
@@penkima4923 facts got 2 rings as #2 option . kd saved his legacy he would lost to bron 3x in a row 😂
josiah had 1 job , and failed miserably 😂
fair but when you have passionate drunk people arguing. what you really expect him to do hahaha
1:10 And now it makes sense just cut the clip there 😂😂
Kenyon asked what did Kobe do that MJ didn't do. The first thing out of Nicks mouth was the fadeaway, which was one of Jordan's signature moves.
Steph’s ability to move without the ball for multiple possessions doesn’t get stated enough.
Funny thing is if you ask MJ and he's being honest. He would probably agree with you. MJ always thinks he's the best. But Kobe took it a step beyond what MJ was doing. In a 1v1 MJ even said Kobe was probably the one who could beat him.
He did say it but he ended that comment by saying because he stole my moves.
You talking about old Jordan he wasn’t even close to the 88-92 jordan
"probably"
😂 Jordan literally said to end the quote “because he copies my moves” that sound like he complimenting Kobe or is he saying the only way I can lose is if someone copy’s my ability
@@andregardiner3071 I think he’s implying both lol. 😂 Kobe is definitely not Air Jordan. But Kobe is definitely championship Jordan. Jordan became a complete player whenever he started win those championships. Kobe Definitely recognize that.
Gil won this one. Nick and Rashad were clearly smoking something.
Whoever says Kobe is better than MJ is crazy! This whole conversation is ridiculous and Nick Young lost his mind. First Nick said the Warriors were better than Shaq and Kobe. Now Kobe better than Mike? Bruh.....
Gilbert & Kenyon are the only ones that speak wit intelligence,logic & and has an unbiased outlook! They speaks facts the others on the panel are just fans who likes to hear themselves talk!🤦🏾♂️
Gil literally was arguing a pointless point. Who cares if Jordan is more athletic, the entire point was Kobe is more skilled than Jordan. Which Gil never denied he just said Jordan didn't need to be that skilled because of his athleticism. So, pretty much he agreed with Nick and McCants that Kobe is more skilled than Jordan
Kenyon didn't even recognize the iconic move Kobe pulled on him
No yall niggas think mj did everything better than everybody. Kobe how’s more skills n better offense. Stop it !
Gil is 50-50 on his takes. Kenyon when a topic is not just shouting and shouting, is pretty well spoken and has a level headed approach with his opinions. I was honestly surprised with KMart, given his playing history.
Curry is literally a two time scoring champ. One of those seasons was with most of his team injured. Kyrie has has NEVER DONE THAT. Matter of fact, Kyrie has never averaged over 30 ever. Curry has done it twice.
Easy to average 30 when you're not initiating the offense or ask to play defense
All that cooking Kyrie was doing before Lebron came led to his team getting two #1 draft picks in Wiggins and Bennett, Kyrie was a loser before Lebron came
@@andrejamison2723 then why hasn’t Kyrie done it, because he damn sure isn’t an elite defender. Second, if you think Steph isn’t initiating offense, then you shouldn’t be watching basketball
@@andrejamison2723 When was kyrie initiating the offence?
@@southsidetee7152 Green runs the offense the same way Boris Diaw in San Antonio did and Pippen did in Chicago. The GSW are running a mix of the Spurs offense that beat Miami down and the Triangle. Curry is playing Tony Parker and Steve Kerr role.
Gilbert was never dis vocal abt Kobe not being good until he passed away🤦🏿♂️😮💨
People were never this vocal about kobe being the GOAT until he passed away. He was ALWAYS 2nd to MJ while alive. So much so that Lebron jumped him in the public eye before Kobe even retired. The added push that he is the goat is because of people's fondness of him now that he is gone. Gil is just pushing back.
Kobe is his favorite player and he’s said this many times. He never said Kobe wasn’t good. Y’all just stupid and can’t comprehend simple concepts
He not shaming Kobe mike is just a better athlete which makes home better Mikes 91 is the best player to ever play he was truly unguardable
Propaganda.. he's just following the agenda
@@themasterseyeall I read was the truth
I’m going to have to agree with Gilbert Arenas on this take!
Show turned into a MJ hating show lmao
Shit is crazy lmao
Everyone played against Kobe and they live in LA of course
Truth hurts
@@smoothcriminal4038 lies hurt more
Gil hates on Kobe
Gilbert keeps talking about Kobe like he was a turtle or something, continuosly saying that he wasn't fast or quick. Even if Kobe didn't have MJ, Westbrook, D Rose, or Lbj explosiveness that doesn't mean that he wasn't a great athlete. Kobe had good speed not great, but he definitely had great quickness. Kobe had arguably the best combination of skill and athleticism besides Jordan.
Kobe was probably nearly as strong as MJ, and could do similar acrobatic finishes around the rim.
Gilbert is hating on Kobe hard. Kobe had one of the best 1st steps in history in his first 10 years. He started all that counter pump fake crap when he got older.
@@penkima4923But he never did.
@@Mr_International_And he still wasn't close to Mj.
I don’t think any of these guys saw Early Kobe or Mike because they described both their games wrong
I don't think any of these guys have watched NBA games at any point.
Gilbert was 100% right about what he said about Kobe... Kobe looked like older Jordan because he had great acting skills to pretend to be Jordan but Kobe missed most of those shots they didn't go in
Y’all be on here just saying anything 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@WarAgeTVstop the capp u clown
@@CobraKiller04Eh you better stop drinkin cobra young nigga its dumbing you down 😂
Swaggy P ... 😂🤣