They don't even want you to stay that long these days because the longer you stay the more they have to pay you over the years. Many companies would prefer to start over and over again with rookies that they can pay less over the years.
@@Marella2024 Actually it might be the opposite. They give you 3-5% payraise each year, but give 15-20% more money for the same identical position for the new hire.
The management ethics are horrendous today, but it seems partly due to a decline in overall mental health. Accountability can seem non-existent, even when incidents are documented in detail. HR goes momentarily blind and deaf if it doesn't protect the company, spinning the blame on employees. "Oh well... harassment is subjective and that injury on the job can't be proven our fault.. hmm"
I was a branch manager in a health care company. I regularly went to college and community job fairs when I needed employees. I would make a point to talk to companies that had booths around me and some other bigger companies that I knew to be very good jobs kept showing up setting up booths. I asked them why they couldn’t find employees and they told me they rarely hire. They said they go to the fairs as public relations and because they were asked to participate by the college or fair. They would say they didn’t mind it because it’s a way for HR and recruiters and other people to get out of the office for a day and go out to lunch on the company. I felt so bad for the people getting all excited and speaking with them and hoping for a call back and putting in all that effort and it was never going to happen.
So many of these people in such positions of hiring authority don't show any respect to those interacting with them. Not a hint of remorse at all of the deception and the waste of time. What happened to basic decency and ethics in our society?
Yeah, the moment I saw the people at these job fairs just through my resume in a random box was the moment I stop going...and for the record you're right, I never got ANY call backs from them. In fact, I personally never known anyone to get a job through a job fair smh 😂.
I know, right…they have no idea how broke those people are and they always pick the most expensive venues. I remember when I went to a job interview this one CEO set up for me with his rich angel investor (trust fund baby) friends. I paid $30 for parking only to have them tell me straight to my face they will hire their buddy’s daughter for a biotech sales position who didn’t even have a college degree. I walked out, paid the parking attendant and swore to myself that I would never ever work for someone else. That was seven years ago and I now have my own business.
Hiring managers DON'T know what they're really looking for. I've found in my interviews that the people interviewing me have no idea of what the job truly initials nor do they know the true needs of the role...They drill you with repetitive and sometimes unrelated questions, you respond accurately and detail then they turn around and hire someone they know with NO true knowledge or experience to do the job. They're basing their decisions on who they like and know without even considering the incompetence they just placed in the role. They continue to waste your time and to end up not even being professional enough to let you know they moved forward with someone else.
Dude exactly I'm in the trades background. I had an interview with a 3rd party interviewer. I literally asked does this company give hrs towards my license. Her response "that's a good question you're the second person to ask, I'll find that out" I thought to myself if I'm the second why tf have you not found out the answer
@DarkwellorBZ dude exactly....she was a 3rd party talent acquisitionist. Had to interview with her to get to the company. Luckily the company didn't like my response or questions, they're very shitty and corporate like.
I found that to be the case with HR recruiters but the hiring managers usually ask the better job related questions because they were the actual boss of the team I was getting hired into who actually did the work.
Life After Layoff is one of my favorite HR channels here on TH-cam. He, in part, inspired me to create my own TH-cam channel focusing on employee relations. Great conversation and awesome to see LAL on the Dave Ramsey/Ken Coleman platform. Kudos.
I worked in operations at a large US company. The higher-ups absolutely looked at full-time employees as a financial burden. Even the ones who were knowledgeable, experienced, and kept everything moving forward. Higher-ups were constantly trying to figure out how to outsource jobs, who they could lay off, and whose job they could turn into a contract position. This was consistently reviewed down to a weekly timeframe even at the manager level. Absolutely no one's job was safe. They would lay people off THEN scramble to figure out how important that person was to the company. They tried so hard to NOT hire new people if they didn't have to. I recognize that these practices are common now, but it was unsettling to see the desperation up close to cut jobs to make more profit for shareholders that quarter.
Yep. "We pay Bob $150k per year. Get rid of him and bring in some new person we can pay less." "OMG Bob had some niche knowledge of our proprietary system that only someone with years of employment here would get and he was doing way more in his day job than we imagined! We're gonna have to hire three people just to replace him and we have offer $60k just to get even close to qualified candidates!!!11!" And yet they never learn...
did you seriously ask why people apply to listings when they are not qualified for it? Have you seen the listings?? The demands are ridiculous, so yeah when 50% of the posting matches, I will apply.
What I got from this. Don't be loyal to your company, you're just a worker at the end of the day. I can see why younger gens don't give a shit about companies.
why younger generation want to give best for company who dont care and are willing to replace them right away to someone who do the job cheaper than them?
Exactly, younger gens are realizing the juice isn't worth the squeeze. They've also seen their parents get crapped on by their employers for years, and they don't want the same to happen to them.
@@BroJo676 I'm not a recruiter but from a lot of the advice I've heard over the years, the best way is through networking. Attending meetups, messaging people on LinkedIn who work for the company you want to apply to, etc.
This is by far the hardest job market in my lifetime. In the past, I would send out no more than a dozen resumes and get 2 or 3 interviews and 1 or 2 offers. Now, these were positions I was qualified for. I was even getting unsolicited offers throughout the great recession. Two years ago, I started looking for a job after covid. I sent out almost 150 resumes over 6 months for positions. Each resume was tailored to each job posting, too. I was well qualified or overqualified for every job I applied for. After 6 months, I finally got three interviews and three offers. I am still looking and applying unsuccessfully since. I am underemployed in my current job and actively looking, but nothing. It's never been so hard.
Those 3 offers you got. I am curious why you turned them down? I think I turned down a call center that would collect debt was the only job I turned down. I thought it was a more positive call center before I applied.
@KaniniPanini One job was located too far away to commute, or at least anymore. It would have been nearly a 4 hour daily round trip commute. I did that for 13 years but decided it wasn't worth it anymore. One was a temporary job at $0.50 over minimum wage. The 3rd I actually took for 3 weeks. It was basically a sweat shop. I was a manager and was told to ride people constantly to go faster. The owner spoke of his employees like they were all worthless, and they had nearly a 200% turnover rate of their employees.
Like you do, I sharpshoöt, not shotgün. Drill to the company Operations Manager Secretary. Tailored resume, w/ CEO/COO lever references and got the interview. Laughter jokes, when could you start, what are your salary expectations? 👍 Two weeks later, comes a Ping! CONGRATULATIONS! "Please contact our Tata Services office to set up your employee information." WTF? I've now been OFFSHORED THROUGH INDIA! *In'dia is skimming my salary and benefits, to be onsite in US!* How is this even legal?
Did you listen to the recruiter when he spoke about personal referrals. Did you speak with your friends about any opportunities in their own company that they work for? It’s not about the quantity of applications, it’s also the quality of your applications. Did you ever try and l and reach out to the HR manager by doing a google search for phone numbers that may not be available for everyone? I think you must take ownership of your skills and apply only to jobs that you have the background skills needed for those roles.
@@fishercourtI custom tailored each resume to match the job I was applying. For over 20 years I worked on the other side of the hiring process so I'm aware of how it works. I also called about half of the places I applied. I stopped because I consistently got the same response, " we are reviewing applicants and will let you know if you are selected". Some even told me there is no need to call them, they will call me. I did leverage the network I have and that how I obtained the current job I have where I am underemployed. The difficulty with leveraging my net work is I am looking in an area about 75 miles from where I previously worked so I am limited to personal networking since I have no professional network in this area.
HR will even go so low as to show no common sense to side with the mgr. Knew nothing of my role. Kept asking me what I do. New Mgr is destroying security. We're having breakins. He's hiding the gate info on the computer so no one can see who is on the property. The alarms are broken. He's putting the remote control to the gate where anyone off the street can steal it. Leaves it on the golf cart with the key. 2 years ago a homeless guy drove off with it. I've worked 3 yrs with the co. and he one month. Idk what is going on. Seems they want the place to go back to a troublemaker hangout again. Why? He cut my hours from 4 days to 3. Seems criminal. I doubt the rich owner knows. The rich owners should care to know. Mgnt companies just might be ruining co. reputation on purpose
@@photo80sjeff84 if you know you are most likely getting fired anyway then do tell HR everything and in emails to higher mgnt. When everyone does this AND especially if affecting their $. Then higher mgnt will have to believe everyone's complaints. And bosshole gets fired. What mine is doing is affecting the $ but the higher ups just don't know it yet. If they monitor the store based on my complaint they will see they should have been with me, not bosshole
Jobs suck now because for entry level positions they want a ton of experience. That’s experience that most people don’t have. Why does it even bother calling jobs entry level if you need all this experience?
I recently read an article by someone laid off after many years. He said companies want 25 year old people with 25 years of experience who will work for $25000. Sort of sums it up well.
what I find irritating with some job postings. Where it says "flexible scheduling". It is never beneficial to the worker's schedule but whenever the company wants you to be there at their whim.😠
I have 10 years IT experience. I have created websites and built my own homelab dealing with IT Infrastructure. I get rejected from jobs for "not having help desk experience", rejected for a job for something as simple as computer building and IP assignment. I've used a friend as a reference for an IT admin position but still to no luck. This video shows me I should set up scripts to auto apply to any IT position just so I can get past HR to get an interview. I should probably also just straight up lie on my resume and put the job positions wish list on my resume.
Stop looking at jobs as some treasure chest and begin looking at them as stepping stones. The employer-employee relationship is fundamentally adversarial. The employer wants to pay you as little as possible while getting the most productivity out of you while you want to work the least (euphemistically: have a dream job) while getting paid a lot. You've got the right idea, looking at it like a series of obstacles to get through in order to "qualify". Once you're there though, you should immediately begin structuring your life to build upon (previous) skills; work on a side hustle and keep your options open to jump to a new position in 2-5 years time. Statistics show that people who change jobs every 2-4 years make more than those who stay in one company for 20+. You're just a number / tool to them, view them as the same.
Anyone can make a home lab with IT infra and building your own website is not that impressive. This isn't 1996. Maybe you should try getting some actual skills that are valuable to employers rather than aiming to become a password reset monkey.
1. The number off applicants need to be limited. 2. There is no need for the same job to be posted/ advertised on 50 freakin job sites. 3. Stop posting jobs thats already going to someone internal. You're just playing with the numbers. 4. Stop posting jobs you have no intention on filling. 5. If a company lays off a huge number of employees. Why aren't returning applicants pulled for consideration first????? I really dont get it. There's a ton more I could add. Just need to get this off my chest lol!!!
The reason why a single job will be advertised on multiple sites is to attract more candidates and also to check what sites/agencies are best for companies to use. It is kind of crappy to experience though@@Rockerlady
@@Rockerladynot just school districts. colleges and universities too. I had an “interview” at a community college scheduled just to get an email that they wont be going forward with my interview and it has already been filled by someone internally.
I've gotten a job once via "someone I knew"...reality is, just because you "know" someone...doesn't mean you "know" them; companies need to focus on best man for the job per his/her qualifications! Lord.
They promote culture and shit like I give a fk I am there to get paid and take care of my family not make friends and have fun. If that was the case no one would complain about working but unfortunately it’s all about micro managing and skewing the numbers
I chatted with Brian when I was going through a toxic work situation where my promotion was first supported and then not when new management came in. He gave me great advice and was gracious with his time. One of my favorites.
@@ForgottenKnight1 told me to cut my losses and move on. I learnt a lot from him and his channel in general about being my own advocate and operating like an independent agent.
Nowadays with corporate and chain business youre not working FOR your boss, theyre just in charge of you. Some mystery person 1k miles away will decide you both no longer work for them for no reason, despite your work performance, ethic, situation, or character.
It took me 4 months to get a job, 4 interviews, and legit had to use AI to fix my resume to get the interviews. I had my first resume reviewed by a job recruiter who said it was great. AI said it was terrible lol
This happened to me too. I know several people who are hiring managers or managers directly involved in the hiring process. Every single one said my application was excellent. Two told me it was one of the best they'd seen, yet I was applying to hundreds of jobs and got only 3 interviews in a year. I also ended up getting offered the job from all but one of those interviews, So obviously, my resume wasn't the problem... Right? Well, nope, I finally found out about ATS and paid to run my resume through one to see what it saw. It didn't even see huge chunks of it, missed my entire skills section, and the sentences were jumbled to the point of being nonsensical. I had to redo my application in the most bland and lifeless way possible, and my success rate went to one in a hundred or more to getting a reasonable amount of call backs and interviews. Funny thing, I showed my friend, who is a hiring manager what she thought of my new resume, and she told me it looked far too generic and bland, and how my original was leagues better. I was writing my resume like an actual person would read it, not considered whether or not a robot would be unable to recognize more complex formatting (and by "more complex formatting" I mean sections with boarders, text that wasn't completely black, a picture, and different font. Edit: honestly this could so easily be addressed by just showing the applicant what the AI has processed and allow them to change the document if it refuses to read it correctly. People want their resumes not to be thrown out of jobs they want and are qualified for. Hiring managers want the ATS to not throw out the resumes of good candidates due to simple technical errors. It seems like just adding a step where the process asks "This is what we got from your resume. If anything is inaccurate or missing, uploading a document with a simplified format may correct
1) The avg number of days for a company to hire is the highest ever, yet turnover is the highest ever. 2) Despite the extensive process to find the unicorn candidate, worker productivity is in a steady decline. 3) Doesn't really matter how you apply or how you interview - internal candidates will get the job most of the time. 4) Your best bet to find a job is to ask everyone you have ever met if they are hiring. Ask them every week. 5) With billions of people on the earth, this is clearly not a sustainable process.
The reason people shoot their shot is because most jobs are easy. Most people can do most jobs. Most people just gate keep to glamorize their job. Very few jobs require specialization or in depth knowledge. Of them almost none can’t be learned over time. Now for a senior position obviously the person should be highly proficient. But entry level people should just be competent and willing to learn.
That attitude doesn't fly in certain fields like engineering. Do not apply if you don't have an engineering degree. If you do have an engineering degree, do not expect to get trained on Ohm's Law or basic circuit theory on your first week. It's embarrassing that many recent grads do not know these things but expect to hold a job.
@@ssjlkrillin ohms law though a simple concept like anything is easily lost. If you do one thing your entire life sure it’s easier to retain but if you expand your skill set it’s hard to retain somethings. The longer you don’t use even the basics of other skills the quicker you lose it. That being said it’s simple to pick it up again if people are willing to let you get the gears turning again.
I don't remember a time when looking for a job was anything other than discouraging theater. The only exception is when you've already got an inside connection.
During my last unemployment I knew I was getting let go 3 months ahead and started looking. It took that 3 months + 7 more month to find a job. 1200ish apps, 15 first round interviews, 4 2nd round interviews, 3 that go beyond that including one that required 5 rounds and one that required 7. Finally got the one that required 7 rounds. I tapped into my network throughout. At least 4 of my interviews were because of "knowing someone", but not the final job I got. My time around before that wasn't much better. The exhaustion of trying to find a job is almost as bad as the lost income.
I literally got offered a job in person, by the general manager of a place, who I am good friends with. He said just put in my application online and he'd hire me. Well... Turns out their ATS wasn't able to read large sections of my resume, unbeknownst to me, and was automatically discarding my resume. Months later, I saw him again and he asked why I never put in my application, and told me about how the person who got hired wasn't performing well and that he wished I hadn't "changed my mind." I was baffled. I told him I applied 3 times, he never saw even a fragment of any of it. Me submitting my application was about as tangible to him as a ghost farting in the wind.
I’d challenge what he said about AI. When I was applying in 2020 there were multiple jobs that I was very well qualified for, hit all the asks, submitted my application and within 2 minutes had responses thanking me but no thanks. There is no way that a human within two minutes had time to read my resume, look at the required work samples, read the cover letter and type a response. So the algorithms aren’t the best way to find the best talent. Being on the other side now, I’ve had people reach out for various roles that I would have easily hired, but their resumes never made it to me and I was the first point of contact.
Unemployment is an odd concept in an economy where for so many folks it’s necessary to work multiple jobs just to get by. Loose one and you’re counted as employed but suddenly don’t have enough money to live.
The economy is grappling with uncertainties, global fluctuations, and pandemic aftermath, causing instability. Rising inflation, sluggish growth, and trade disruptions need urgent attention from all sectors to restore stability and stimulate growth.
Things are strange right now. The US dollar is becoming less valuable because of inflation, but it's getting stronger compared to other currencies and things like gold and property. People are turning to the dollar because they think it's safer. I'm worried about my retirement savings of about $420,000 losing value because of high inflation. Where else can we keep our money?
Due to my demanding job, I lack the time to thoroughly assess my investments and analyze individual stocks. Consequently, for the past seven years, I have enlisted the services of a fiduciary who actively manages my portfolio to adapt to the current market conditions. This strategy has allowed me to navigate the financial landscape successfully, making informed decisions on when to buy and sell. Perhaps you should consider a similar approach.
I'm intrigued by this. I've searched for financial advisors online but it's kind of hard to get in touch with one. Okay if I ask you for a recommendation?
Finding financial advisors like Jessica Lee Horst who can assist you shape your portfolio would be a very creative option. There will be difficult times ahead, and prudent personal money management will be essential to navigating them.
People apply for jobs they aren’t qualified for because some States also require proof of job search to obtain unemployment benefits. They either can’t find a job or don’t really want one so they apply for something they know they won’t get just to obtain the benefits.
A lot of people don’t understand how to write job requirements example are 10 years experience in a programming language that has only existed for 5 years. Also the HR person doing the hiring often doesn’t translate was the supervisor actually wants.
Two per week in this state. But, one thing to take into account with something like this is that for one thing: no one is checking. A person applying for specialized engineering or medical positions will not find 52 openings in your area in a 6-month period. It is safe to repeat the same three or four job openings with weekly status updates if possible. You can also status your recruiter calls and visits, as in this state they also count. Applying to anything just to fill a quota (when no one is even checking due to the volume of unemployment recipients) is not good practice. Be smarter in your job search.
There are no friends in the workplace, just backstabbers who together form a rumor mill that slanders your name… especially social workers, their sub human really
43:45 HELLOOOO! I don’t have my current boss as reference because I’m looking to leave the company and I obviously won’t tell me boss that I’m looking for another opportunity until I have the opportunity. That should be common sense for any hiring manager. That’s an insult for the to think we must divulge who our boss is and let them call our boss! Crazy! 🤡
All of this is a symptom of our financial system. Companies are in a quest for infinite growth with finite resources. Companies and employees both are trying to skim as much off the pile as they can because the pile is ever diminishing. Until we level set our fractional reserve system we will battle inflation forever.
Not discounting anything from “who you know” but “who knows you” is more critical because you can get the job offer before you even knowing about anything.
Wow, this is truly an exceptional video and so timely. I’ve been laid off 5 times since 2001 since i changed careers to the corporate IT world. Last one was October 2021 and i was able to get a contract job within two weeks. Then my ex boss called me in February 2022 and asked me to come back for a much higher salary and better title and I accepted it mainly because I needed health insurance due to a heart condition. Well fast forward to now and leadership changed along with duties and roles of my team. This past week someone that’s on the inside for the last 10 plus years told me my team is on the chopping block and they plan on laying off either at the end of October or sometime in March 2025. The issue is I’m now 63 and need a pacemaker replacement in 3 months and with all the tech layoffs it’s getting harder to find a decent job. Time to get my side hustles running. Hope I can before anything happens.
Well, in the past, companies would pay for employees to be properly trained. My mom got her first job just applying for an office. They offered to pay her full tuition if she'd study accounting. So, while attending college, she's getting a paid job that complements what she learns. I think people think the job market is still like that, but these days I feel it's hard to find any company willing to put out any more than just a wage for an employee.
My husband and I have both been self employed and were successful but we couldn't afford the type of health insurance we have being employed by a larger company. I'd love to see this topic covered.
The cost of health insurance is often what makes large companies try to keep the number of FT employees as low as possible. The US really needs to get a handle on healthcare costs because it's a huge burden on both individuals and businesses.
One red flag I had encountered and never heard ever in my 20 years of working back in July 2024 was a recruiter asking me a question after I had already been given the job passed a training and just a day prior to arriving to orientation was " I have a important question regarding your children, will they be a inconvenience during your shift?" needless to say after sharing my opinion and concerns on a egregious statement i immediately withdrew my employment offer
The only way to move up at your current job or to even get a job is that you NEED CONNECTIONS, i don't care what anyone else says, CONNECTIONS are essential in moving up in your career or even getting a decent job in general.
I have always gotten positions based upon my own merit; I never had people on the inside to speak for me. That essential ingredient may work for KEEPING a job, not attaining one.
Why cant employers just give it a rest and stop nitpicking on trivial sht like enthusiasm We all know everyone needs a job to survive. As long as one delivers & gets along well with others who tf cares about enthusiasm
Human nature likes those who aren't desperate. An "abundance mindset" - especially if backed by actual abundance - is desirable. It's easier to get a job when you have one. It's easier to get a girlfriend when you have a wife.
its true - nurse here - i searched a while for critical care jobs then applied at a hosp ive floated to and knew the managers already and they hired me without an interview or references. Dont forget we are also now competing against foreign workers including in nursing…the ER I applied to didnt hire me, but its staffed with filipino nurses right now that arrived about a year ago.
Insinuating that Pinoy nurses are the reason you could not get ER work is insane. Most critical care units are now staffed with new grads, most ERs at level 1 facilities are arbitrarily selective. But you should be able to easily get in anywhere once you have experience.
@fineway7053 That comment may be his/her truth. It could be age discrimination as to why they did not get hired. I have noticed that companies/hospitals will hire young inexperienced people over people who have 20 to 30 years hospital experience and are older. Also they will pay Filipino nurses less with more work.
Even as a watcher of both A Life after Layoff and the Ramsey network, i'm gobsmacked by how much i learnt in this short hour. Very entertaining also. Thank you guys so much!
Asking if there's anything holding you back implies there's something negative about your experience and education. If you've been using that phrase (or anything similar) don't use it anymore. The first step in getting the job I have now was reaching out after not hearing anything from the employer (apps online had an automated system) and asking if there was any other experience/ education they were looking for that I could gain to strengthen my candidacy for the particular role. That question opened the door for me.
Applied 4 a job, they phone screened me. Said would get an in person interview. 2 months later I was called to schedule. I already had a position by then. Total waste of my time
Totally what I’m going thru right now. Recruiter scheduled me for Monday yet hasn’t sent any interview details it’s already Thursday. I reach out to him and no response
54:30 I don't disagree that losing a job is hard especially if you're in dire need of income but to say it's even in the same universe as losing a loved one... it's just not. Hard as it is to hear when it happens to you, you can always get another job. It may not be easy, it may not be as much as you were making before and it may take a while to land one but it can happen. You will never get a loved one back and if anyone values a job more or on the same level as a loved one I question how much you love that person. Equating these two is like saying a paper cut and a chronic condition uncurable condition like chron's are the same because they both cause pain. It's just not and I sincerely hope nobody plays ken a clip of him saying this at a funeral he goes to for his wife or child. Again, I get the meaning but it's not the psychological equivalent of losing a loved one. It's just not and anyone who for one second thinks that it is... I hope you stay blissfully unaware of that pain for as long as possible.
So we just going to pretend that companies ask for unrealistic qualifications? And they wonder why people lie on their resume or apply for "unqualified positions ".
I really hate the new process of job search’s and job interviews especially. Why should we have to go through 2-3 interviews just to hear we’ve reviewed your application but we have considered another candidate: just for that job posting to be placed again in another 6 months because things didn’t work out
I went though 4 arounds of interviews for a job a few years back and was ultimately rejected. I felt so mad and humiliated by the process that I haven't bothered to apply to another job since.
@@Jfromes1 geesh sorry to hear about that … it can be exhausting I say after two rounds I usually withdraw my application because their wasting your time at that point 🤷♂️
@@Jfromes1 I'm sorry that happened to you. Thanks for giving this information. If I have to go to a second interview then I don't think I would do it. I definitely would not have done 4 because I hate interviews to begin with. Be blessed.
As I sit here listening to these guys chat about the process of applying to jobs and being an employee, I am getting motivated to try and do my own thing on the side!
Basically it has been like this for years. Networking comes in many ways. Charity, volunteering, interest groups, hobbies. You have to keep in mind unless you are going to be working at a funeral home you are going to have to interact with other people. Practice is how you do this effectively.
I have friends in my private life. I can make acquaintances and work well with my coworkers and be friendly with them in my business life, but very few of them align with my own morals and beliefs, so the majority are not suitable as friends. Also, I don't go out for drinks or dinner with coworkers. I have a home and family and I like spending my time with them.
I'm an introvert also, and I'm really dreading the need to network. I also feel like networking feels disingenuine. I don't want to meet people or keep connections in hopes of getting opportunities. I like real relationships. Maybe it's just me.
The critical problem with the 45 day from application to hire is that i need a job on day 5, not day 45, so if literally any other employer responds befor that 45 day period, im going with them 100% of the time. I applied for an insurance job, got a call back that week saying i wasnt a good fit, well 6 months later after his top picks left directly after licensing i got a call asking if i was still interested. I absolutely told him it was incredibly unprofessional to expect someone to wait for another shot at the same job like they wouldnt persue other careers for 6 months. Im all for calling out entitled employee behaviour, but employers can be just as entitled and hold no cards
If I had that same attitude as you, I would not had this opportunity with the escape room. Some employers do not sound great or don't do a great job either. But also I know it makes you feel you were not the first choice either so then it feels disrespectful as well. I just wanted to share my opportunity because I let roll off my shoulders but because I was the wife's favorite before that maybe I could try again if I needed something again. An escape room did that because the wife of the owner called saying I was her top choice but the owner hired someone on the spot. I interviewed with the wife. So I was sad but it wasn't the end of the world. Few months and I started doing temporary work and I got a call from the wife. We have an opening are you still interested? I was so appreciative of it but told her that I had another job. Year+ later I see another opening and I was going to do college so this job be great for the side. I applied and they sped everything up for me. I got to play 2 escape rooms by then because you play the room with a group in order to give hints for it. Then Covid 19... after so many months but I was the only one who stayed at the escape room. I hated to leave them after everything they done for me and I had nothing else planned yet. The owner and wife gave me Christmas and Birthday gifts. My dog passing away I was gifted so much stuff for comfort and support. Was okay for me to miss days of work to grieve. That escape room and the owner and wife took so much care for me. I even was gifted to take a trip to the cities with them to do escape rooms it was so fun! I was paid the most was $15 an hour and I got tips from groups but really I enjoyed the work and the people who owned the business. That made me stay until I got a full time job where I felt it was too much to try both.
Why? Keep opportunities open, dude. Politely decline so they are amenable to you working for them at another point down the line. Don't burn bridges. Be respectful. What if your buddy needs a job? C'mon, man.
They also didn't compete with the entire world, they competed with the city. Globalization screws over the people and the nation, it pretty much just benefits wall street and banks. The way things are trending isn't sustainable and there's nothing building up to change it. I fear something really dark is in our collective future.
I'm glad this is finally being recognized on your show. A lot of your stuff has been really invalidating this past year towards job seekers and what we're experiencing.
Most of the top talented, seasoned software engineers I know have ended up starting their own startups or becoming self-employed as technical writers, freelancers, etc. They regard the current tech job market as a no-go zone.
I spent years networking within a very niche industry trying to get my foot in the door only to get rejected by every company I interviewed for. Now I’m working in a job I got that I almost forgot I applied to. What gives?
I agree. I have a friend who’s a handy man doing random jobs making shelves, fixing people’s stuff, electric etc.. and he’s never short of work, always busy.
I'm not sure I would put it all on the candidate. Who created the job roles? I'm interviewing for a role where they are asking for a systems analyst but then they want project manager experience and full stack development experience for their internal projects and anything they hire out for. These are distinct roles they are cranking into one that pay allot less. I need a job. So yeah I'm going to apply. The fact that I have all those skills hopefully means I'll land it.
One of the reasons why people are applying for jobs they're not qualified for is many states require applying for work as a condition of receiving unemployment benefits. And you have to turn in a log of what you've applied for.
Yeah, you never know how 'Great' the company is until AFTER you've worked there...and they all think they're the greatest company that has ever been!!!!
I love that you chose to interview him!!! He has been putting out great content for a longtime now and being interview on Ramsey shows others think he is great too. 😊
Great show and thank you for the great information! Somewhat disheartened but at the same time new resolve to improve my job searching process! I'm struggling with the networking portion but working on improving.
I feel like recruiters and hiring managers often focus on asking questions as a way to find reasons to eliminate them from contention vs asking questions that lead to conversations that uncover how well an applicant will perform the job. - in other words, I wish hiring managers would go into an interview as if the decision was already made to hire them. They just need to find out who this person is and what they can do, instead of asking arbitrary questions that may or may not indicate the future performance level of a person. If you assume this mindset for all applicants, you will quickly find yourself having stronger feelings of confidence and assurance with certain applicants over others.
I've been driving a truck for 34 years, got injured a week into a new trucking job, and once released for full duty I was let go. Finding a new job at 63 even as an experienced driver is now impossible. Unfortunately for me the ILU is about to go on strike and truckers nation wide are at minimum are about to be laid off and many will lose their trucks, their homes etc. At this point I'd take a dishwasher job, but no one wants an obviously old man. So, after two months of applying and being rejected I'm fully up against it...good luck out there! Yes gonna need it.
You can live comfortably in Cambodia or Vietnam and jump over the border every 90 days to renew your visa. Laos is higher and cooler but have no personal knowledge of it. Philippines is massively overpopulated and couldn't recommend it, even though they speak English. Thailand is too Westernized touristy and expensive but does have best Medicare care of those, as long as SS/MC holds up, then we're all chopped liver.😂🎉
Brian, the HR guy, always emphasizes the importance of asking questions throughout the interview, even from the start. However, my experience in most IT interviews has been quite the opposite. Interviewers usually don't allow me to ask questions until the very end, and when they do, I’m only given about a minute or so to ask, after they've rushed through a series of pre-prepared, loaded questions from a document. These questions often require context that I don’t have time to provide. They treated the pre-prepared document as rigid, asking nothing beyond what was written. It’s always unsettling when I’m interviewed by 5-8 people, and it follows the same pattern-complete silence from the entire team except for one person who has been speaking since the beginning. Everyone else who just seemed to be there to take notes, with no engagement or interaction beyond that. Given that many of my IT interviews are structured this way, where it’s difficult to "interview the interviewer," and position myself for the rest of the interview. What is the best way to approach this style of interview? I’m at a bit of a loss on how to handle it.
I imitate the interviewers. Take notes like them. Answer the questions they ask and ask them a question within my answer. Should a question they ask need more context, ask them to clarify, questioning their question. They may not like it, but you are working within their restrictions while showing you care about the interview.
There was mention of being qualified but not working at a particular job for a while say over 5 years. The catch-22 is that I’m not working in my field because I can’t land a job to maintain my work history. At some point people have to earn money so, as in my case, I worked in another industry. HR is literally cycling people out of markets because of their inability to get work and build or maintain a work history but the reason they cannot build or develop a work history is because of HRs barriers to hiring qualified candidates. When I say qualified candidates I refer to people who are fully educated in a particular field and still cannot get jobs. This has been going on a lot longer than the last four years.
Those people who are fully educated cannot get jobs because they do not have the experience. Lots of people are fully educated with bachelors degrees and master degrees but these companies want them to have the experience upon completion of a degree field and they are not willing to give them that experience. Bryan said in one of his online posts that I heard for the first time: "experience trumps a degree".
Looking forward to this conversation! Have been following Brian for some time and he gives my favorite real-talk work advice that’s still sensible and practical.
And companies wonder why ppl don't stay 30+ years anymore. Nothing is personal anymore.
They don't even want you to stay that long these days because the longer you stay the more they have to pay you over the years. Many companies would prefer to start over and over again with rookies that they can pay less over the years.
@@Marella2024 Actually it might be the opposite.
They give you 3-5% payraise each year, but give 15-20% more money for the same identical position for the new hire.
The management ethics are horrendous today, but it seems partly due to a decline in overall mental health.
Accountability can seem non-existent, even when incidents are documented in detail.
HR goes momentarily blind and deaf if it doesn't protect the company, spinning the blame on employees.
"Oh well... harassment is subjective and that injury on the job can't be proven our fault.. hmm"
A lot of investors and board members see long time employees as parasites.
Correct. You're an asset that will be disposed of when it's the correct financial decision for the company.
Had a great time chatting, thanks for inviting me!
Link to your content? I just spent 6 months looking for a job before I landed one, and my wife is about to start looking again.
How can this apply to internships though where experience isn’t needed.
You dropped so many Gems! Thank you!🙌🏾👏🏾
Great hearing from you Brian!
You seem like you’re packing a HUGE hog!
Love your channel and this was a great discussion
I was a branch manager in a health care company. I regularly went to college and community job fairs when I needed employees. I would make a point to talk to companies that had booths around me and some other bigger companies that I knew to be very good jobs kept showing up setting up booths.
I asked them why they couldn’t find employees and they told me they rarely hire. They said they go to the fairs as public relations and because they were asked to participate by the college or fair.
They would say they didn’t mind it because it’s a way for HR and recruiters and other people to get out of the office for a day and go out to lunch on the company.
I felt so bad for the people getting all excited and speaking with them and hoping for a call back and putting in all that effort and it was never going to happen.
So many of these people in such positions of hiring authority don't show any respect to those interacting with them. Not a hint of remorse at all of the deception and the waste of time. What happened to basic decency and ethics in our society?
Yeah, the moment I saw the people at these job fairs just through my resume in a random box was the moment I stop going...and for the record you're right, I never got ANY call backs from them. In fact, I personally never known anyone to get a job through a job fair smh 😂.
Yup I went to one a long time ago and could instantly tell they’re 90 percent of them are just wasting peoples time
I know, right…they have no idea how broke those people are and they always pick the most expensive venues. I remember when I went to a job interview this one CEO set up for me with his rich angel investor (trust fund baby) friends. I paid $30 for parking only to have them tell me straight to my face they will hire their buddy’s daughter for a biotech sales position who didn’t even have a college degree. I walked out, paid the parking attendant and swore to myself that I would never ever work for someone else. That was seven years ago and I now have my own business.
@@fabuloushostess6171God speaks to us in different ways. I hope your business grows.
Hiring managers DON'T know what they're really looking for. I've found in my interviews that the people interviewing me have no idea of what the job truly initials nor do they know the true needs of the role...They drill you with repetitive and sometimes unrelated questions, you respond accurately and detail then they turn around and hire someone they know with NO true knowledge or experience to do the job. They're basing their decisions on who they like and know without even considering the incompetence they just placed in the role. They continue to waste your time and to end up not even being professional enough to let you know they moved forward with someone else.
You hit the nail on the head. I have had the same exact experience, sir!
Dude exactly I'm in the trades background. I had an interview with a 3rd party interviewer.
I literally asked does this company give hrs towards my license. Her response "that's a good question you're the second person to ask, I'll find that out"
I thought to myself if I'm the second why tf have you not found out the answer
@@Dontexxr A trades job that doesn't know if it counts towards license hours? That sounds incredibly fishy or like an HR person who knows too little
@DarkwellorBZ dude exactly....she was a 3rd party talent acquisitionist. Had to interview with her to get to the company. Luckily the company didn't like my response or questions, they're very shitty and corporate like.
I found that to be the case with HR recruiters but the hiring managers usually ask the better job related questions because they were the actual boss of the team I was getting hired into who actually did the work.
Life After Layoff is one of my favorite HR channels here on TH-cam. He, in part, inspired me to create my own TH-cam channel focusing on employee relations. Great conversation and awesome to see LAL on the Dave Ramsey/Ken Coleman platform. Kudos.
Not the collab we expected but the collab we needed.
Period.
Brian is officially going to make 1 million subs sooner than later 😍
I worked in operations at a large US company. The higher-ups absolutely looked at full-time employees as a financial burden. Even the ones who were knowledgeable, experienced, and kept everything moving forward. Higher-ups were constantly trying to figure out how to outsource jobs, who they could lay off, and whose job they could turn into a contract position. This was consistently reviewed down to a weekly timeframe even at the manager level. Absolutely no one's job was safe. They would lay people off THEN scramble to figure out how important that person was to the company. They tried so hard to NOT hire new people if they didn't have to.
I recognize that these practices are common now, but it was unsettling to see the desperation up close to cut jobs to make more profit for shareholders that quarter.
Very insightful.
Wow…no wonder they make us do 2x more regularly
Yep.
"We pay Bob $150k per year. Get rid of him and bring in some new person we can pay less."
"OMG Bob had some niche knowledge of our proprietary system that only someone with years of employment here would get and he was doing way more in his day job than we imagined! We're gonna have to hire three people just to replace him and we have offer $60k just to get even close to qualified candidates!!!11!"
And yet they never learn...
Greed is destroying this country.
@@jasonroberts9357 You are so correct! It's ridiculous because it doesn't have to be this way.
did you seriously ask why people apply to listings when they are not qualified for it? Have you seen the listings?? The demands are ridiculous, so yeah when 50% of the posting matches, I will apply.
What I got from this. Don't be loyal to your company, you're just a worker at the end of the day. I can see why younger gens don't give a shit about companies.
why younger generation want to give best for company who dont care and are willing to replace them right away to someone who do the job cheaper than them?
Exactly, younger gens are realizing the juice isn't worth the squeeze. They've also seen their parents get crapped on by their employers for years, and they don't want the same to happen to them.
was a recruiter for 4 years.. this guy nailed it all dead on the head. Applying for jobs really is the worst way to get a job.
What’s the best way in your opinion?
@@BroJo676 I'm not a recruiter but from a lot of the advice I've heard over the years, the best way is through networking. Attending meetups, messaging people on LinkedIn who work for the company you want to apply to, etc.
It’s always going to be who you know or networking.
How did you get your job as a recruiter 4 years ago? Not applying?
@@jayvng not a recruiter anymore. The job just kinda happened. I knew a guy who knew a guy.
Can we just all agree that these two men have some of the best voices for podcasting?!
Good mic setup helps quite a bit.
It's interesting that Bryan from life after layoff isn't quite as smooth in an impromptu situation
I think Ken sounds like an idiot
This is by far the hardest job market in my lifetime. In the past, I would send out no more than a dozen resumes and get 2 or 3 interviews and 1 or 2 offers. Now, these were positions I was qualified for. I was even getting unsolicited offers throughout the great recession.
Two years ago, I started looking for a job after covid. I sent out almost 150 resumes over 6 months for positions. Each resume was tailored to each job posting, too. I was well qualified or overqualified for every job I applied for. After 6 months, I finally got three interviews and three offers. I am still looking and applying unsuccessfully since. I am underemployed in my current job and actively looking, but nothing. It's never been so hard.
Those 3 offers you got. I am curious why you turned them down? I think I turned down a call center that would collect debt was the only job I turned down. I thought it was a more positive call center before I applied.
@KaniniPanini One job was located too far away to commute, or at least anymore. It would have been nearly a 4 hour daily round trip commute. I did that for 13 years but decided it wasn't worth it anymore. One was a temporary job at $0.50 over minimum wage. The 3rd I actually took for 3 weeks. It was basically a sweat shop. I was a manager and was told to ride people constantly to go faster. The owner spoke of his employees like they were all worthless, and they had nearly a 200% turnover rate of their employees.
Like you do, I sharpshoöt, not shotgün. Drill to the company Operations Manager Secretary. Tailored resume, w/ CEO/COO lever references and got the interview. Laughter jokes, when could you start, what are your salary expectations? 👍
Two weeks later, comes a Ping! CONGRATULATIONS! "Please contact our Tata Services office to set up your employee information." WTF?
I've now been OFFSHORED THROUGH INDIA! *In'dia is skimming my salary and benefits, to be onsite in US!*
How is this even legal?
Did you listen to the recruiter when he spoke about personal referrals. Did you speak with your friends about any opportunities in their own company that they work for?
It’s not about the quantity of applications, it’s also the quality of your applications.
Did you ever try and l and reach out to the HR manager by doing a google search for phone numbers that may not be available for everyone?
I think you must take ownership of your skills and apply only to jobs that you have the background skills needed for those roles.
@@fishercourtI custom tailored each resume to match the job I was applying. For over 20 years I worked on the other side of the hiring process so I'm aware of how it works. I also called about half of the places I applied. I stopped because I consistently got the same response, " we are reviewing applicants and will let you know if you are selected". Some even told me there is no need to call them, they will call me.
I did leverage the network I have and that how I obtained the current job I have where I am underemployed. The difficulty with leveraging my net work is I am looking in an area about 75 miles from where I previously worked so I am limited to personal networking since I have no professional network in this area.
Depends on job for making friends at work, but 💯 HR is not your friend at all no matter how nice they seem. Guard your mouth.
Agreed. HR is to protect the company
HR can suck it lol
HR will even go so low as to show no common sense to side with the mgr. Knew nothing of my role. Kept asking me what I do. New Mgr is destroying security. We're having breakins. He's hiding the gate info on the computer so no one can see who is on the property. The alarms are broken. He's putting the remote control to the gate where anyone off the street can steal it. Leaves it on the golf cart with the key. 2 years ago a homeless guy drove off with it. I've worked 3 yrs with the co. and he one month. Idk what is going on. Seems they want the place to go back to a troublemaker hangout again. Why? He cut my hours from 4 days to 3. Seems criminal. I doubt the rich owner knows. The rich owners should care to know. Mgnt companies just might be ruining co. reputation on purpose
HR is the worst!
@@photo80sjeff84 if you know you are most likely getting fired anyway then do tell HR everything and in emails to higher mgnt. When everyone does this AND especially if affecting their $. Then higher mgnt will have to believe everyone's complaints. And bosshole gets fired. What mine is doing is affecting the $ but the higher ups just don't know it yet. If they monitor the store based on my complaint they will see they should have been with me, not bosshole
Jobs suck now because for entry level positions they want a ton of experience. That’s experience that most people don’t have. Why does it even bother calling jobs entry level if you need all this experience?
I recently read an article by someone laid off after many years. He said companies want 25 year old people with 25 years of experience who will work for $25000. Sort of sums it up well.
what I find irritating with some job postings. Where it says "flexible scheduling". It is never beneficial to the worker's schedule but whenever the company wants you to be there at their whim.😠
Not sure thus was ever a thing
I have 10 years IT experience. I have created websites and built my own homelab dealing with IT Infrastructure. I get rejected from jobs for "not having help desk experience", rejected for a job for something as simple as computer building and IP assignment. I've used a friend as a reference for an IT admin position but still to no luck.
This video shows me I should set up scripts to auto apply to any IT position just so I can get past HR to get an interview. I should probably also just straight up lie on my resume and put the job positions wish list on my resume.
Stop looking at jobs as some treasure chest and begin looking at them as stepping stones. The employer-employee relationship is fundamentally adversarial. The employer wants to pay you as little as possible while getting the most productivity out of you while you want to work the least (euphemistically: have a dream job) while getting paid a lot. You've got the right idea, looking at it like a series of obstacles to get through in order to "qualify". Once you're there though, you should immediately begin structuring your life to build upon (previous) skills; work on a side hustle and keep your options open to jump to a new position in 2-5 years time. Statistics show that people who change jobs every 2-4 years make more than those who stay in one company for 20+. You're just a number / tool to them, view them as the same.
Why are you applying for help desk job? You might be a bit over qualified
It's not lying. It's called creating a curated resume.
Anyone can make a home lab with IT infra and building your own website is not that impressive. This isn't 1996. Maybe you should try getting some actual skills that are valuable to employers rather than aiming to become a password reset monkey.
@@scaldon2 The job posting wasn't described as a help desk role. It was described more as Network Engineer
1. The number off applicants need to be limited.
2. There is no need for the same job to be posted/ advertised on 50 freakin job sites.
3. Stop posting jobs thats already going to someone internal. You're just playing with the numbers.
4. Stop posting jobs you have no intention on filling.
5. If a company lays off a huge number of employees. Why aren't returning applicants pulled for consideration first????? I really dont get it.
There's a ton more I could add. Just need to get this off my chest lol!!!
Your #2 and #3 so true, especially school districts. So much nepotism it's ridiculous! Already know who is getting the job.
The reason why a single job will be advertised on multiple sites is to attract more candidates and also to check what sites/agencies are best for companies to use. It is kind of crappy to experience though@@Rockerlady
@@Rockerladynot just school districts. colleges and universities too. I had an “interview” at a community college scheduled just to get an email that they wont be going forward with my interview and it has already been filled by someone internally.
What about reducing hours?
Many companies post the job even if it's going to an internal candidate just because the HR rules demand it to be "fair" It's just a game.
I've gotten a job once via "someone I knew"...reality is, just because you "know" someone...doesn't mean you "know" them; companies need to focus on best man for the job per his/her qualifications! Lord.
As a 33 year old guy, friends in the work place are dead, its all a bad management money club.
you're looking for friends at work? wrong place. it can happen but shouldn't be an expectation.
They promote culture and shit like I give a fk I am there to get paid and take care of my family not make friends and have fun. If that was the case no one would complain about working but unfortunately it’s all about micro managing and skewing the numbers
@BossItUp911 you totally missed the point. What he's saying is "who you know" at these companies are dead.
I chatted with Brian when I was going through a toxic work situation where my promotion was first supported and then not when new management came in. He gave me great advice and was gracious with his time. One of my favorites.
What was the advice?
@@ForgottenKnight1 told me to cut my losses and move on. I learnt a lot from him and his channel in general about being my own advocate and operating like an independent agent.
It's not who you know, it's who knows (and believes in) you!
Nowadays with corporate and chain business youre not working FOR your boss, theyre just in charge of you. Some mystery person 1k miles away will decide you both no longer work for them for no reason, despite your work performance, ethic, situation, or character.
It took me 4 months to get a job, 4 interviews, and legit had to use AI to fix my resume to get the interviews. I had my first resume reviewed by a job recruiter who said it was great. AI said it was terrible lol
This happened to me too. I know several people who are hiring managers or managers directly involved in the hiring process. Every single one said my application was excellent. Two told me it was one of the best they'd seen, yet I was applying to hundreds of jobs and got only 3 interviews in a year. I also ended up getting offered the job from all but one of those interviews,
So obviously, my resume wasn't the problem... Right? Well, nope, I finally found out about ATS and paid to run my resume through one to see what it saw. It didn't even see huge chunks of it, missed my entire skills section, and the sentences were jumbled to the point of being nonsensical.
I had to redo my application in the most bland and lifeless way possible, and my success rate went to one in a hundred or more to getting a reasonable amount of call backs and interviews.
Funny thing, I showed my friend, who is a hiring manager what she thought of my new resume, and she told me it looked far too generic and bland, and how my original was leagues better.
I was writing my resume like an actual person would read it, not considered whether or not a robot would be unable to recognize more complex formatting (and by "more complex formatting" I mean sections with boarders, text that wasn't completely black, a picture, and different font.
Edit: honestly this could so easily be addressed by just showing the applicant what the AI has processed and allow them to change the document if it refuses to read it correctly.
People want their resumes not to be thrown out of jobs they want and are qualified for. Hiring managers want the ATS to not throw out the resumes of good candidates due to simple technical errors. It seems like just adding a step where the process asks "This is what we got from your resume. If anything is inaccurate or missing, uploading a document with a simplified format may correct
Life After Layoff helped me out so much when I was unemployed after a layoff for over 5 months this past year.
Me too. Helped me land my new job after 8 months of unemployment.
1) The avg number of days for a company to hire is the highest ever, yet turnover is the highest ever.
2) Despite the extensive process to find the unicorn candidate, worker productivity is in a steady decline.
3) Doesn't really matter how you apply or how you interview - internal candidates will get the job most of the time.
4) Your best bet to find a job is to ask everyone you have ever met if they are hiring. Ask them every week.
5) With billions of people on the earth, this is clearly not a sustainable process.
Life after Layoff is my favorite career channel! Thanks Ken for interviewing him!
The reason people shoot their shot is because most jobs are easy. Most people can do most jobs. Most people just gate keep to glamorize their job. Very few jobs require specialization or in depth knowledge. Of them almost none can’t be learned over time. Now for a senior position obviously the person should be highly proficient. But entry level people should just be competent and willing to learn.
That attitude doesn't fly in certain fields like engineering. Do not apply if you don't have an engineering degree. If you do have an engineering degree, do not expect to get trained on Ohm's Law or basic circuit theory on your first week. It's embarrassing that many recent grads do not know these things but expect to hold a job.
@@ssjlkrillin Than expect crap employees when you are hiring because I'm sure you think college is teaching people what they need to know for a job.
@@ssjlkrillin ohms law though a simple concept like anything is easily lost. If you do one thing your entire life sure it’s easier to retain but if you expand your skill set it’s hard to retain somethings. The longer you don’t use even the basics of other skills the quicker you lose it. That being said it’s simple to pick it up again if people are willing to let you get the gears turning again.
Ppl shoot their shot and the filters get stronger and stronger. Unqualified resumes are treated like spam to corps.
I don't remember a time when looking for a job was anything other than discouraging theater.
The only exception is when you've already got an inside connection.
During my last unemployment I knew I was getting let go 3 months ahead and started looking. It took that 3 months + 7 more month to find a job.
1200ish apps, 15 first round interviews, 4 2nd round interviews, 3 that go beyond that including one that required 5 rounds and one that required 7.
Finally got the one that required 7 rounds.
I tapped into my network throughout. At least 4 of my interviews were because of "knowing someone", but not the final job I got.
My time around before that wasn't much better.
The exhaustion of trying to find a job is almost as bad as the lost income.
I literally got offered a job in person, by the general manager of a place, who I am good friends with. He said just put in my application online and he'd hire me. Well... Turns out their ATS wasn't able to read large sections of my resume, unbeknownst to me, and was automatically discarding my resume. Months later, I saw him again and he asked why I never put in my application, and told me about how the person who got hired wasn't performing well and that he wished I hadn't "changed my mind." I was baffled. I told him I applied 3 times, he never saw even a fragment of any of it. Me submitting my application was about as tangible to him as a ghost farting in the wind.
@@nada13_08 in that scenario, you email and let them know right after you've applied. You could have been working there the whole time.
@@nada13_08insane
@@nada13_08He’s lying to you, he probably hired someone because they were cheaper
You can be friendly but not friends.
I’d challenge what he said about AI. When I was applying in 2020 there were multiple jobs that I was very well qualified for, hit all the asks, submitted my application and within 2 minutes had responses thanking me but no thanks.
There is no way that a human within two minutes had time to read my resume, look at the required work samples, read the cover letter and type a response.
So the algorithms aren’t the best way to find the best talent. Being on the other side now, I’ve had people reach out for various roles that I would have easily hired, but their resumes never made it to me and I was the first point of contact.
Exactly.
Unemployment is an odd concept in an economy where for so many folks it’s necessary to work multiple jobs just to get by. Loose one and you’re counted as employed but suddenly don’t have enough money to live.
The economy is grappling with uncertainties, global fluctuations, and pandemic aftermath, causing instability. Rising inflation, sluggish growth, and trade disruptions need urgent attention from all sectors to restore stability and stimulate growth.
Things are strange right now. The US dollar is becoming less valuable because of inflation, but it's getting stronger compared to other currencies and things like gold and property. People are turning to the dollar because they think it's safer. I'm worried about my retirement savings of about $420,000 losing value because of high inflation. Where else can we keep our money?
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I'm intrigued by this. I've searched for financial advisors online but it's kind of hard to get in touch with one. Okay if I ask you for a recommendation?
Finding financial advisors like Jessica Lee Horst who can assist you shape your portfolio would be a very creative option. There will be difficult times ahead, and prudent personal money management will be essential to navigating them.
People apply for jobs they aren’t qualified for because some States also require proof of job search to obtain unemployment benefits. They either can’t find a job or don’t really want one so they apply for something they know they won’t get just to obtain the benefits.
That's a very good point
Exactly.
A lot of people don’t understand how to write job requirements example are 10 years experience in a programming language that has only existed for 5 years.
Also the HR person doing the hiring often doesn’t translate was the supervisor actually wants.
Two per week in this state. But, one thing to take into account with something like this is that for one thing: no one is checking. A person applying for specialized engineering or medical positions will not find 52 openings in your area in a 6-month period. It is safe to repeat the same three or four job openings with weekly status updates if possible. You can also status your recruiter calls and visits, as in this state they also count. Applying to anything just to fill a quota (when no one is even checking due to the volume of unemployment recipients) is not good practice. Be smarter in your job search.
Absolutely!
Every person in the U.S. is nothing, but human capital to these corporations…
It's unsustainable for the worker because so many don't have a job.Forty three days without pay is a long time.
Going on 3 months!
I’m a recruiter currently in the IT space. This is a phenomenal video and thank you for sharing.
There are no friends in the workplace, just backstabbers who together form a rumor mill that slanders your name… especially social workers, their sub human really
Agreed about the workers. Some of the worst, most entitled, least compassionate human beings to exist.
Getting the bong ready, life after layoff is a real one.
Two of my favorite job coaches.
Inspired me to become a content creator and job coach.
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HELLOOOO! I don’t have my current boss as reference because I’m looking to leave the company and I obviously won’t tell me boss that I’m looking for another opportunity until I have the opportunity. That should be common sense for any hiring manager. That’s an insult for the to think we must divulge who our boss is and let them call our boss! Crazy! 🤡
All of this is a symptom of our financial system. Companies are in a quest for infinite growth with finite resources. Companies and employees both are trying to skim as much off the pile as they can because the pile is ever diminishing. Until we level set our fractional reserve system we will battle inflation forever.
Not discounting anything from “who you know” but “who knows you” is more critical because you can get the job offer before you even knowing about anything.
Who you know means nothing. But if they don’t know you it’s useless. I know a ton of people at my company but they don’t really know me.
AI should NOT be used…..What the hell id HR for?!?? Also, phantom jobs are a massive problem!
Recruiters are getting worse and worse at their jobs. Internal recruiters are worthless now. . All they do is feed the resumes thru the screening bot.
Because company don’t wanna hire HR people anymore
When big companies like Google get millions of applicants a year using AI makes sense to weed out the truly unqualified.
Okay Brian is going to officially hit 1 million subs with this video! ❤
I hope so, he's the best.
Great discussion, guys. So.. unemployed for 11 months. Applied to so many jobs. Holding on to mustard seed faith at this point.
I've worked for temporary agencies for that last 4 years because it's difficult to find a permanent full time job.
Hang in there my guy. Same boat.
@@MissTShompagneit took me 3 years to land a permanent full time job when I graduated college 🤷🏾♀️
@se2664
I still have not found a job in my degree field. Be blessed.
Wow, this is truly an exceptional video and so timely. I’ve been laid off 5 times since 2001 since i changed careers to the corporate IT world. Last one was October 2021 and i was able to get a contract job within two weeks. Then my ex boss called me in February 2022 and asked me to come back for a much higher salary and better title and I accepted it mainly because I needed health insurance due to a heart condition. Well fast forward to now and leadership changed along with duties and roles of my team. This past week someone that’s on the inside for the last 10 plus years told me my team is on the chopping block and they plan on laying off either at the end of October or sometime in March 2025. The issue is I’m now 63 and need a pacemaker replacement in 3 months and with all the tech layoffs it’s getting harder to find a decent job. Time to get my side hustles running. Hope I can before anything happens.
Good luck 👍🏽
Well, in the past, companies would pay for employees to be properly trained. My mom got her first job just applying for an office. They offered to pay her full tuition if she'd study accounting. So, while attending college, she's getting a paid job that complements what she learns. I think people think the job market is still like that, but these days I feel it's hard to find any company willing to put out any more than just a wage for an employee.
My husband and I have both been self employed and were successful but we couldn't afford the type of health insurance we have being employed by a larger company. I'd love to see this topic covered.
THIS - I left a float nurse job I had for seven years bc it didnt offer health ins and I just couldnt go anymore with bad expensive ins
The cost of health insurance is often what makes large companies try to keep the number of FT employees as low as possible. The US really needs to get a handle on healthcare costs because it's a huge burden on both individuals and businesses.
I know people that are just working for health ins -and holding out till 65
Have listened to Ken for the last couple of years. I has changed my life. Highly Recommend!
One red flag I had encountered and never heard ever in my 20 years of working back in July 2024 was a recruiter asking me a question after I had already been given the job passed a training and just a day prior to arriving to orientation was " I have a important question regarding your children, will they be a inconvenience during your shift?" needless to say after sharing my opinion and concerns on a egregious statement i immediately withdrew my employment offer
That was illegal for them to ask that question.
The only way to move up at your current job or to even get a job is that you NEED CONNECTIONS, i don't care what anyone else says, CONNECTIONS are essential in moving up in your career or even getting a decent job in general.
I have always gotten positions based upon my own merit; I never had people on the inside to speak for me. That essential ingredient may work for KEEPING a job, not attaining one.
I love Brians channel!! Lmao. What a surprise! Good for you!!
Why cant employers just give it a rest and stop nitpicking on trivial sht like enthusiasm
We all know everyone needs a job to survive. As long as one delivers & gets along well with others who tf cares about enthusiasm
Human nature likes those who aren't desperate. An "abundance mindset" - especially if backed by actual abundance - is desirable.
It's easier to get a job when you have one. It's easier to get a girlfriend when you have a wife.
Crossover episode!... Thank you. Life After Layoff has a great channel. 👍
its true - nurse here - i searched a while for critical care jobs then applied at a hosp ive floated to and knew the managers already and they hired me without an interview or references. Dont forget we are also now competing against foreign workers including in nursing…the ER I applied to didnt hire me, but its staffed with filipino nurses right now that arrived about a year ago.
Insinuating that Pinoy nurses are the reason you could not get ER work is insane. Most critical care units are now staffed with new grads, most ERs at level 1 facilities are arbitrarily selective. But you should be able to easily get in anywhere once you have experience.
this is insanity^ the stories i hear on social media are just mind blowing.
@fineway7053
That comment may be his/her truth. It could be age discrimination as to why they did not get hired.
I have noticed that companies/hospitals will hire young inexperienced people over people who have 20 to 30 years hospital experience and are older.
Also they will pay Filipino nurses less with more work.
@@huntersmith674
It may be insanity to you but it's true. Age Discrimination is real this may be the case with the person that made the comment.
NO Brian, this falls back to employers who are shaping the “how” we apply today!
Hey I love the Life After Layoff channel! His channel has helped me tremendously!
Even as a watcher of both A Life after Layoff and the Ramsey network, i'm gobsmacked by how much i learnt in this short hour. Very entertaining also. Thank you guys so much!
Asking employers if there's anything holding me back (not that wording) has never worked. They always say no to my face and then reject me later.
Asking if there's anything holding you back implies there's something negative about your experience and education. If you've been using that phrase (or anything similar) don't use it anymore. The first step in getting the job I have now was reaching out after not hearing anything from the employer (apps online had an automated system) and asking if there was any other experience/ education they were looking for that I could gain to strengthen my candidacy for the particular role. That question opened the door for me.
So basically, if your looking for a job, and you don't know a lot of ppl or have a lot of friends your pretty much screwed.....right?
You can always find entry level stuff. Don't expect to have a great job or make a bunch of money right away though.
@@onephatdudehahaha! "Entry level" that requires years of experience.
He's totally wrong about the 'AI', the ATS software used is absolutely often blocking up to 100% of applicants
ATS is not AI. It looks for keywords that are put in by humans. AI learns, an ATS doesn't.
Applied 4 a job, they phone screened me. Said would get an in person interview. 2 months later I was called to schedule. I already had a position by then. Total waste of my time
Totally what I’m going thru right now. Recruiter scheduled me for Monday yet hasn’t sent any interview details it’s already Thursday. I reach out to him and no response
@@valeriefloressRecruiters get ghosted too - just move on
Great to see Life after layoff. I love watching his videos
54:30 I don't disagree that losing a job is hard especially if you're in dire need of income but to say it's even in the same universe as losing a loved one... it's just not. Hard as it is to hear when it happens to you, you can always get another job. It may not be easy, it may not be as much as you were making before and it may take a while to land one but it can happen. You will never get a loved one back and if anyone values a job more or on the same level as a loved one I question how much you love that person. Equating these two is like saying a paper cut and a chronic condition uncurable condition like chron's are the same because they both cause pain. It's just not and I sincerely hope nobody plays ken a clip of him saying this at a funeral he goes to for his wife or child. Again, I get the meaning but it's not the psychological equivalent of losing a loved one. It's just not and anyone who for one second thinks that it is... I hope you stay blissfully unaware of that pain for as long as possible.
So we just going to pretend that companies ask for unrealistic qualifications? And they wonder why people lie on their resume or apply for "unqualified positions ".
I really hate the new process of job search’s and job interviews especially. Why should we have to go through 2-3 interviews just to hear we’ve reviewed your application but we have considered another candidate: just for that job posting to be placed again in another 6 months because things didn’t work out
6 months? Most are reposted weekly
I went though 4 arounds of interviews for a job a few years back and was ultimately rejected. I felt so mad and humiliated by the process that I haven't bothered to apply to another job since.
@@Jfromes1 geesh sorry to hear about that … it can be exhausting I say after two rounds I usually withdraw my application because their wasting your time at that point 🤷♂️
I think the most round is 2. A call or one-way video then the final interview
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I'm sorry that happened to you. Thanks for giving this information. If I have to go to a second interview then I don't think I would do it. I definitely would not have done 4 because I hate interviews to begin with. Be blessed.
I am also trimming the fat. No more restaurants, no more movie theaters, shop only essentials, no road trips, etc
As I sit here listening to these guys chat about the process of applying to jobs and being an employee, I am getting motivated to try and do my own thing on the side!
So what you are saying is that introverts who aren’t good at networking are pretty much screwed going forward. 😢
No. Just because you are introverted doesn't mean that you can't learn how to win friends and influence people. It's a key skill even for introverts.
Basically it has been like this for years. Networking comes in many ways. Charity, volunteering, interest groups, hobbies. You have to keep in mind unless you are going to be working at a funeral home you are going to have to interact with other people. Practice is how you do this effectively.
Depends if your work speaks for itself
I have friends in my private life. I can make acquaintances and work well with my coworkers and be friendly with them in my business life, but very few of them align with my own morals and beliefs, so the majority are not suitable as friends.
Also, I don't go out for drinks or dinner with coworkers. I have a home and family and I like spending my time with them.
I'm an introvert also, and I'm really dreading the need to network. I also feel like networking feels disingenuine. I don't want to meet people or keep connections in hopes of getting opportunities. I like real relationships. Maybe it's just me.
The critical problem with the 45 day from application to hire is that i need a job on day 5, not day 45, so if literally any other employer responds befor that 45 day period, im going with them 100% of the time.
I applied for an insurance job, got a call back that week saying i wasnt a good fit, well 6 months later after his top picks left directly after licensing i got a call asking if i was still interested. I absolutely told him it was incredibly unprofessional to expect someone to wait for another shot at the same job like they wouldnt persue other careers for 6 months. Im all for calling out entitled employee behaviour, but employers can be just as entitled and hold no cards
If I had that same attitude as you, I would not had this opportunity with the escape room. Some employers do not sound great or don't do a great job either. But also I know it makes you feel you were not the first choice either so then it feels disrespectful as well. I just wanted to share my opportunity because I let roll off my shoulders but because I was the wife's favorite before that maybe I could try again if I needed something again.
An escape room did that because the wife of the owner called saying I was her top choice but the owner hired someone on the spot. I interviewed with the wife. So I was sad but it wasn't the end of the world. Few months and I started doing temporary work and I got a call from the wife. We have an opening are you still interested? I was so appreciative of it but told her that I had another job. Year+ later I see another opening and I was going to do college so this job be great for the side. I applied and they sped everything up for me. I got to play 2 escape rooms by then because you play the room with a group in order to give hints for it. Then Covid 19... after so many months but I was the only one who stayed at the escape room. I hated to leave them after everything they done for me and I had nothing else planned yet. The owner and wife gave me Christmas and Birthday gifts. My dog passing away I was gifted so much stuff for comfort and support. Was okay for me to miss days of work to grieve. That escape room and the owner and wife took so much care for me. I even was gifted to take a trip to the cities with them to do escape rooms it was so fun! I was paid the most was $15 an hour and I got tips from groups but really I enjoyed the work and the people who owned the business. That made me stay until I got a full time job where I felt it was too much to try both.
Why? Keep opportunities open, dude. Politely decline so they are amenable to you working for them at another point down the line. Don't burn bridges. Be respectful. What if your buddy needs a job? C'mon, man.
Boomers told us to just start at the bottom and work your way up. Boomers didn’t need college degrees or certifications. WTH
Those days are long gone
They also didn't compete with the entire world, they competed with the city. Globalization screws over the people and the nation, it pretty much just benefits wall street and banks. The way things are trending isn't sustainable and there's nothing building up to change it. I fear something really dark is in our collective future.
I'm glad this is finally being recognized on your show. A lot of your stuff has been really invalidating this past year towards job seekers and what we're experiencing.
Ya it's been pathetic how out of touch of reality they are, they tell homeless people to not apply for anything possible? 😂 what fucking jokes
Let’s just admit this holiday season have your family time and be ready to hunt in January
Ah! Full stack developer, knowing all developer who gets assigned to fix bugs. lmao.
Most of the top talented, seasoned software engineers I know have ended up starting their own startups or becoming self-employed as technical writers, freelancers, etc. They regard the current tech job market as a no-go zone.
I spent years networking within a very niche industry trying to get my foot in the door only to get rejected by every company I interviewed for. Now I’m working in a job I got that I almost forgot I applied to. What gives?
Brian you’re the best! Love your channel and this was a great interview
Best options now are healthcare field, firefighter, cop, military or starting your own thing or trades
I agree. I have a friend who’s a handy man doing random jobs making shelves, fixing people’s stuff, electric etc.. and he’s never short of work, always busy.
Bryan made it! He’s on this show! Go Bryan!
I'm not sure I would put it all on the candidate. Who created the job roles? I'm interviewing for a role where they are asking for a systems analyst but then they want project manager experience and full stack development experience for their internal projects and anything they hire out for. These are distinct roles they are cranking into one that pay allot less. I need a job. So yeah I'm going to apply. The fact that I have all those skills hopefully means I'll land it.
So cool to see you and Brian together! Great information you both share!
This was soooo helpful and great information provided. I see why people become entrepreneurs!!! ❤
One of the reasons why people are applying for jobs they're not qualified for is many states require applying for work as a condition of receiving unemployment benefits. And you have to turn in a log of what you've applied for.
Also because said companies lie about requires more often than not
Oh this is great talk! I focus a lot on cyber jobs on my channel but good insight to the general hiring market
Yeah, you never know how 'Great' the company is until AFTER you've worked there...and they all think they're the greatest company that has ever been!!!!
Thanks for the VALUABLE info!
I love that you chose to interview him!!! He has been putting out great content for a longtime now and being interview on Ramsey shows others think he is great too. 😊
Great show and thank you for the great information! Somewhat disheartened but at the same time new resolve to improve my job searching process! I'm struggling with the networking portion but working on improving.
Wow, watch every single minute. Best video on TH-cam on this topic right now. I highly recommend watching all the way through! ❤❤
lol 30 applications today lol.
I did in the last 45 min and still can’t even get an interview
Touched on a lot of stuff I'm going through.
I had to do a double take. Awesome to see these collabs!
I feel like recruiters and hiring managers often focus on asking questions as a way to find reasons to eliminate them from contention vs asking questions that lead to conversations that uncover how well an applicant will perform the job.
- in other words, I wish hiring managers would go into an interview as if the decision was already made to hire them. They just need to find out who this person is and what they can do, instead of asking arbitrary questions that may or may not indicate the future performance level of a person. If you assume this mindset for all applicants, you will quickly find yourself having stronger feelings of confidence and assurance with certain applicants over others.
This is a fantastic dialog of the current state of the job market and hiring practices. Thank you!
Very thankful to have landed a job 2 months ago. I got laid off earlier this year. I job hunted for 4 years. Took a 30% pay cut.
I've been driving a truck for 34 years, got injured a week into a new trucking job, and once released for full duty I was let go. Finding a new job at 63 even as an experienced driver is now impossible. Unfortunately for me the ILU is about to go on strike and truckers nation wide are at minimum are about to be laid off and many will lose their trucks, their homes etc. At this point I'd take a dishwasher job, but no one wants an obviously old man. So, after two months of applying and being rejected I'm fully up against it...good luck out there! Yes gonna need it.
You can live comfortably in Cambodia or Vietnam and jump over the border every 90 days to renew your visa. Laos is higher and cooler but have no personal knowledge of it. Philippines is massively overpopulated and couldn't recommend it, even though they speak English. Thailand is too Westernized touristy and expensive but does have best Medicare care of those, as long as SS/MC holds up, then we're all chopped liver.😂🎉
Workday. The worst application process on the planet. If anyone agrees like this to prove a point.
Ending of this interview is great!
Brian, the HR guy, always emphasizes the importance of asking questions throughout the interview, even from the start. However, my experience in most IT interviews has been quite the opposite. Interviewers usually don't allow me to ask questions until the very end, and when they do, I’m only given about a minute or so to ask, after they've rushed through a series of pre-prepared, loaded questions from a document. These questions often require context that I don’t have time to provide.
They treated the pre-prepared document as rigid, asking nothing beyond what was written. It’s always unsettling when I’m interviewed by 5-8 people, and it follows the same pattern-complete silence from the entire team except for one person who has been speaking since the beginning. Everyone else who just seemed to be there to take notes, with no engagement or interaction beyond that. Given that many of my IT interviews are structured this way, where it’s difficult to "interview the interviewer," and position myself for the rest of the interview.
What is the best way to approach this style of interview? I’m at a bit of a loss on how to handle it.
I imitate the interviewers. Take notes like them. Answer the questions they ask and ask them a question within my answer. Should a question they ask need more context, ask them to clarify, questioning their question. They may not like it, but you are working within their restrictions while showing you care about the interview.
There was mention of being qualified but not working at a particular job for a while say over 5 years. The catch-22 is that I’m not working in my field because I can’t land a job to maintain my work history. At some point people have to earn money so, as in my case, I worked in another industry. HR is literally cycling people out of markets because of their inability to get work and build or maintain a work history but the reason they cannot build or develop a work history is because of HRs barriers to hiring qualified candidates. When I say qualified candidates I refer to people who are fully educated in a particular field and still cannot get jobs. This has been going on a lot longer than the last four years.
Those people who are fully educated cannot get jobs because they do not have the experience. Lots of people are fully educated with bachelors degrees and master degrees but these companies want them to have the experience upon completion of a degree field and they are not willing to give them that experience.
Bryan said in one of his online posts that I heard for the first time: "experience trumps a degree".
Looking forward to this conversation! Have been following Brian for some time and he gives my favorite real-talk work advice that’s still sensible and practical.