The only change I would like to see is that instead of bidding for a specific card you are just bidding for the right to pick the card. That way if you two wanted different cards but didn’t know you would have a bidding war still
@@Rarran Awesome! Remember for next time also that with 1000 gold you can spend 30 a card, or assuming you want to win half and not winning costs nothing, the average bid should be 60. I feel you guys were really underbidding here for the first 90 percent
I was about to sugest that the legendary bidding should subtract the value from both players to make it more fair. But you solution is simple and dynamic! I think it would be fun
Thought about the same thing, it would be funny to see you guys fight over something only to realize you were fighting for something else both and could have just bid the least amount 🤣. And it makes more bluffing fun
You should do an arena draft where you cant see and get a random non card gamer to describe the 3 choices to you but they can only describe the art of the card and then you pick one.
Another idea for a twist on this for the future: have THREE players participate in the auction so that someone always gets stuck with even the worst possible cards out of the three, and then play a mini round robin tournament with the decks! Cool video, great job! :)
Hey Rarran, the format is a great idea however I think there should be a minor change. You should not bid on a card you should bid on the priority for choosing. Because take this for example: There are three cards (A, B, C), you want to take card A and your opponent wants B. If you bid on card A, any amount you bid is a loss, but if you change the bidding format (without knowing what your opponent wants or by not letting them know what you want) you really activate the mind games. What if both of you want card A but you are not sure? Should you risk it (believe your opponent will not choose the card you want so you get it for free), or should you bid higher (to guarantee that you get what you want) etc.
A bid draft is a great idea for a format. Reminds me of fantasy football. Not only was it entertaining, but as a competitive player the strategy factor intrigued me
Please make more of this. Out of all the home brewed hearthstone formats you've created this is by far the most entertaining to watch. I hope to see another one of these
“What are you going to put that into a Roth IRA? That was funny. More of this format plz! It’s not only entertaining but also tickles that back seat gamer itch. As a competitive gamer I enjoy the strategy
@Rarran: This is a super fun format, and learning a lot especially as an arena Andy. Do another one, or as a series with all the different classes! Just fix the way you keep track of your cards, watching this live was a struggle
Yooo NL mentioned! You and him are literally my favorite youtubers, I wish you could collab though I know the chances are slim. Thank you for the content by the way.
I'd love to see this done more. It was a fun watch and i think worked better than you seemed to expect in the intro to the stream. Doing it with Dreads again would be fun and maybe getting Eddy or Roffle to do it could be fun too, whoever you could have a good time with and get to do it. I think some of the feed back about bidding could be cool implementations, but even if you just ran it the same it'd be fun. Great vid and idea as always, i always look forward to you uploading.
I think the suggestion made to bid for first pick is good, but if you wanted to spice things up further you could keep choices hidden until the very end. If you win you just get the card you want. If you lose you write down a first and second pick. You could still get the card you want if the winner chose something else, but it's not guaranteed. This way you can keep what kind of strategy you're going for hidden and could get blown out by auction losses if some of your key cards get sniped and you won't know to pivot. And of course this introduces the mindgame of trying to gaslight your opponent on what you're trying to build. Might introduce *too* much variance, but it would certainly be entertaining to watch. Take this game for example, let's say dreads went for a n'zoth strategy out the gate and was drafting for it. At the very end he could find out he didn't even get it in the first place and everything falls apart. This uncertainty and chance to get blown out could make it more tempting to spend your gold more.
Here is some basic math: Both players have 1000 gold to spend, only one of them pays for each pick. So the average price for a card is 2000/30, which is roughly 67 gold. Whenever the two strongest cards are about the same level of power no money has to be spend, increasing the average for picks where one card sticks out even further. Also it is worth noting that saving money is not a good strategy: Imagine you have twice as much gold as your opponent on pick 29. They can bet all their money and still get to made pick 29 or 30.
You should make an auction arena duel. Both players start the arena run and you can see each other picks. Then you start betting for who's in charge of picking the card for yourself and the second guy. After you create the decks, play your run and whoever gets more wins is a winner.
Getting the two defiles was definitely the play, but actually drawing them both made those games so free. Also Nzoth casually being the 6th to last card in deck was true suffering
Honestly this could be a super interesting format for another cardgame in which you don't actually own any cards but yoz can test the whole arsenal in a freeplay mode. In the actual ladder mode or whatever you play a 10 play combat (similar to TFT) and before the game starts you get presented a card pool of 10 cards, 10 times in a row. You start with 100 coins and in every cardpool-round you can spend as many gold as you want to secure your spot, meaning: the one who bid the highest amount of gold can pick first, then the one who paid the second most, and so on - if there's a tie a cointoss decides. Instead of drawing cards only one at a time you will draw cards based on the current stage: stage 1 you draw one card per turn and can play it, stage 2 it'll be two and so on. Idea's far from being perfect but I think it could highly reduce the "pay to win" aspect of games like hearthstone where buying packs is mandatory for success. You can try every single card in custom games/free play and for ladder everyone is presented with the same randomized pool of 10 cards anyhow so practically you eliminate the existence of METAs while drastically improving the skill (meaning the game is focused way more on your skill of adaptation compared to your skill to learn one ot two decks against any possible scenario)
This is good, some other people already meantioned the bid for card pick thing, but i will mention something else. Can you add a screencap for both players and show it on the screen for us so we can remember WTF you guys picked? The "arena deck" space should be overlayed anyways since it has the chance to confuse viewers. You get the idea i think. Continue making this format though!
I like everyone suggestion about bidding for first pic, but if you’re gonna keep doing it in arena, maybe even adding a third person and do a round robin style set of games to fully use the three cards each turn
Suggestion: Half-blind auction. Have a 3rd person acting as the auctioneer pick 90 cards and then deal the cards out in sets of 3, but you're only allowed to see one card when you bid, and whoever loses the bid gets their pick of the remaining 2. So the card you bid on could be the best or worst out of each set of 3, and you have to gamble while matching wits with your opponent.
dreads is a pretty cool guy but hes exaggerating how hard it is to arena auction. Personally, I’ve been winning arena auctions abnormally often (18%) and it would be even higher if i wasn't playing most of the season with a broken bid paddle. I realize there's a lot of bad information and misunderstanding so if you want to clear any of it up, I'm pretty easy to find.
Not gonna lie, stacking those mischevious imps doesn't seem like a bad idea. They're infuse 3, so if you play an infused one, you get three bodies to infuse the next, and 4 mana for 3 3/3s each turn would get overwhelming pretty quick.
You should let chat pick your deck with donations, the highest donation picks the card, donations have a 1 minute timer to come in. Greed it up and keep the money for yourself (or do it a some kind of charity stream).
Also some other change is needed since once one player is ahead of say 30 gold in the bid they can declare to always outbid the other person by 1, and save 1 coin for each turn the other player is broke.
I think an appropriate way of doing this would be to first reveal your picks blind simultaneously, then, if they are the same choice, the auction starts. It speeds up the process, and does not create problems with revealing information. But maybe you want to do that for content so...
You should try a Nemesis draft variant - bidding for the worst card ro put in the opponent's deck. The draft would be even more impactful and a proper content fiesta!
Cool format, but the bid should be for 1st pick, not a specific card. Also, I think the play should be to always bid some amount of coins, just to prevent your opponent from getting the cards for cheap.
The only change I would like to see is that instead of bidding for a specific card you are just bidding for the right to pick the card. That way if you two wanted different cards but didn’t know you would have a bidding war still
Oh that’s cool! This is the first iteration, if it does well, I’ll do something like it again. Thanks for the feedback!
@@Rarran Awesome! Remember for next time also that with 1000 gold you can spend 30 a card, or assuming you want to win half and not winning costs nothing, the average bid should be 60. I feel you guys were really underbidding here for the first 90 percent
@@Rarran Do it again but give dreads his left over money lmao
I was about to sugest that the legendary bidding should subtract the value from both players to make it more fair. But you solution is simple and dynamic! I think it would be fun
Thought about the same thing, it would be funny to see you guys fight over something only to realize you were fighting for something else both and could have just bid the least amount 🤣. And it makes more bluffing fun
Dreads was clearly cheating during the bid for the legendary, you can see in the reflection of his forehead
It's an older meme sir but it checks out
I love this, as soon as I heard them say it I immediately went to the comments lol
Man i knew it. I hate cheaters. Unsubbed to dreads
He's bald!?!?
Too CRUEL!! XD
I think that if you revisit this format, the bids should be for first pick and not for specific cards
that's a good point
Agree
Can you also try the opposite? Like bidding to pick your opponent's cards so that it becomes a griefing fiesta
Holly shit, I love this one.
“We’re only at the 7th card my guy” - Rarran, with 400 gold less than Dreads
coincidentally he also ended with 400 gold unspent
39:39 Northernlion mentioned. Stay pegged
your favorite content creator's favorite content creator
You should do an arena draft where you cant see and get a random non card gamer to describe the 3 choices to you but they can only describe the art of the card and then you pick one.
BRO IS COOKING RARRAN, HEAR HIM
this is a creative idea 🔥
Also, a similar and way harder idea:
You're blindfolded and get someone to read out the flavour text for each arena card
I love this idea
5 thousand year long draft
Another idea for a twist on this for the future: have THREE players participate in the auction so that someone always gets stuck with even the worst possible cards out of the three, and then play a mini round robin tournament with the decks!
Cool video, great job! :)
NL mentioned, once again proving he is your favorite streamer's favorite streamer
Hey Rarran, the format is a great idea however I think there should be a minor change. You should not bid on a card you should bid on the priority for choosing. Because take this for example: There are three cards (A, B, C), you want to take card A and your opponent wants B. If you bid on card A, any amount you bid is a loss, but if you change the bidding format (without knowing what your opponent wants or by not letting them know what you want) you really activate the mind games. What if both of you want card A but you are not sure? Should you risk it (believe your opponent will not choose the card you want so you get it for free), or should you bid higher (to guarantee that you get what you want) etc.
Yep, this is the way to do it.
Ok Yapzilla
I like this era of Rarran's content where everyone is just trying to gaslight everyone else all the time. Lol.
Rarran is producing the best ideas for HS game modes
A bid draft is a great idea for a format. Reminds me of fantasy football. Not only was it entertaining, but as a competitive player the strategy factor intrigued me
Please make more of this. Out of all the home brewed hearthstone formats you've created this is by far the most entertaining to watch. I hope to see another one of these
NL mentioned, the Egg cartoon is happy. Also great content Rarran!
Ending with 390g is a rookie mistake. I guess Dreads can really open that Roth IRA now.
“What are you going to put that into a Roth IRA? That was funny.
More of this format plz! It’s not only entertaining but also tickles that back seat gamer itch. As a competitive gamer I enjoy the strategy
I love this auction type content.
Love the dreads salt😂. Really love it when you have him on, he’s such a fun streamer to watch when you’re in the mood for some arena
This auction style challenge was one of the best ive seen in a while❤
Great video!
39:46 NL:your favourite streamer's favourite streamer
This format is fascinating and honestly I would love to see it in-client. Could you imagine an Arena Auction tournament?
Dreads is CLEARLY cheating on the legendary bid - we have video proof, you can see the reflections
I like seeing the Pokemon video meta bleeding in, pretty cool pretty cool
@Rarran: This is a super fun format, and learning a lot especially as an arena Andy. Do another one, or as a series with all the different classes! Just fix the way you keep track of your cards, watching this live was a struggle
Really enjoying the Auction Draft! Man what a great idea for a mini hearthstone game! Can't wait for more Auction Draft videos in the future ngl
Dreads really got that 'but I only have 84 ethers what if I need them later?' energy with all that leftover gold.
After watching this video I would love to play poker with Rarran
Great format Rarran, would love to see more of it!
Love how Rarran just top decks his way to every victory
"He's a golfer, right?" 😂
Yooo NL mentioned! You and him are literally my favorite youtubers, I wish you could collab though I know the chances are slim. Thank you for the content by the way.
Your banter was great. And I really enjoyed the auction.
yo this is a really great idea for a format, I'd be down to see more of these.
I'd love to see this done more. It was a fun watch and i think worked better than you seemed to expect in the intro to the stream. Doing it with Dreads again would be fun and maybe getting Eddy or Roffle to do it could be fun too, whoever you could have a good time with and get to do it. I think some of the feed back about bidding could be cool implementations, but even if you just ran it the same it'd be fun.
Great vid and idea as always, i always look forward to you uploading.
amazing format, would like to see more of this. keep the ideas going!
that was a good time. i absolutely love arena drafts. arena gameplay is fun too, but the drafts are where it's at :)
49:54 what a missplay not killing that lol
I think the suggestion made to bid for first pick is good, but if you wanted to spice things up further you could keep choices hidden until the very end. If you win you just get the card you want. If you lose you write down a first and second pick. You could still get the card you want if the winner chose something else, but it's not guaranteed. This way you can keep what kind of strategy you're going for hidden and could get blown out by auction losses if some of your key cards get sniped and you won't know to pivot. And of course this introduces the mindgame of trying to gaslight your opponent on what you're trying to build. Might introduce *too* much variance, but it would certainly be entertaining to watch.
Take this game for example, let's say dreads went for a n'zoth strategy out the gate and was drafting for it. At the very end he could find out he didn't even get it in the first place and everything falls apart. This uncertainty and chance to get blown out could make it more tempting to spend your gold more.
Here is some basic math: Both players have 1000 gold to spend, only one of them pays for each pick. So the average price for a card is 2000/30, which is roughly 67 gold. Whenever the two strongest cards are about the same level of power no money has to be spend, increasing the average for picks where one card sticks out even further. Also it is worth noting that saving money is not a good strategy: Imagine you have twice as much gold as your opponent on pick 29. They can bet all their money and still get to made pick 29 or 30.
Wow rarran played hearthstone with Joe Rogan with hair.
Love this video concept. Also NL is the goat
39:38 NL mentioned pog
For the next auction make it so that the winner of the auction also gets to pick the losers card, i think that would be some spicy chaos.
You should make an auction arena duel. Both players start the arena run and you can see each other picks. Then you start betting for who's in charge of picking the card for yourself and the second guy. After you create the decks, play your run and whoever gets more wins is a winner.
more of this format plz! Dreads needs another round to simply bid more in general
Getting the two defiles was definitely the play, but actually drawing them both made those games so free. Also Nzoth casually being the 6th to last card in deck was true suffering
Dreads acting skills really fooled Rarran XD
as a boomer hearthstone player missed twisting nether bm before punching face. Fun video idea love going back and finding these videos I missed before
really like this format. I think CGB would lap this one up
48:14 i do the same now with Dreads 😂😂😂😂😂
The correct play at the end was to clear the taunt, 6 to face, twisting nether to tilt Dreads off the face of the planet, then attack for lethal
Honestly this could be a super interesting format for another cardgame in which you don't actually own any cards but yoz can test the whole arsenal in a freeplay mode. In the actual ladder mode or whatever you play a 10 play combat (similar to TFT) and before the game starts you get presented a card pool of 10 cards, 10 times in a row. You start with 100 coins and in every cardpool-round you can spend as many gold as you want to secure your spot, meaning: the one who bid the highest amount of gold can pick first, then the one who paid the second most, and so on - if there's a tie a cointoss decides.
Instead of drawing cards only one at a time you will draw cards based on the current stage: stage 1 you draw one card per turn and can play it, stage 2 it'll be two and so on.
Idea's far from being perfect but I think it could highly reduce the "pay to win" aspect of games like hearthstone where buying packs is mandatory for success. You can try every single card in custom games/free play and for ladder everyone is presented with the same randomized pool of 10 cards anyhow so practically you eliminate the existence of METAs while drastically improving the skill (meaning the game is focused way more on your skill of adaptation compared to your skill to learn one ot two decks against any possible scenario)
This is good, some other people already meantioned the bid for card pick thing, but i will mention something else.
Can you add a screencap for both players and show it on the screen for us so we can remember WTF you guys picked?
The "arena deck" space should be overlayed anyways since it has the chance to confuse viewers.
You get the idea i think. Continue making this format though!
Actually banger content holy was fun...Do more
6:35 me in class when the homie says something funny
Not the “Ahri” drop after speaking of brewmaster 😭
I like everyone suggestion about bidding for first pic, but if you’re gonna keep doing it in arena, maybe even adding a third person and do a round robin style set of games to fully use the three cards each turn
would love to see you turn this into a series loved this video
Not showing the Twisting Nether at the end was a really merciful decision.
Suggestion: Half-blind auction.
Have a 3rd person acting as the auctioneer pick 90 cards and then deal the cards out in sets of 3, but you're only allowed to see one card when you bid, and whoever loses the bid gets their pick of the remaining 2. So the card you bid on could be the best or worst out of each set of 3, and you have to gamble while matching wits with your opponent.
Rarran has the heart of the hearth.
good idea but the way you did it made no sense, why bid 40 on a card you don't even know they want? just bid 10 and if you get outbid then up it
dreads
is a pretty cool guy but hes exaggerating how hard it is to arena auction. Personally, I’ve been winning arena auctions abnormally often (18%) and it would be even higher if i wasn't playing most of the season with a broken bid paddle. I realize there's a lot of bad information and misunderstanding so if you want to clear any of it up, I'm pretty easy to find.
12:12 I haven’t played since old gods. My jaw hit the floor when they said primordial drake was bad
his roth IRA 😂 bro was saving an extra 400 for his 401k
Rarran became literally daddy of hs
What did you do about the more-than-2-of? Does HS allow you to put more than 2 of a card in a deck for a friendly game?
I loved this format, watched the stream already :)
Mr. Rarran. You should have a third party doing the auction calling for the auction experience
Hey Rarran, I love this type of video, another brilliant idea :)
Rarran has made enough vids with HS devs that he can now get the interns to change his RNG
I wanted Rarran to just play the nether at the end so that Dreads saw that he had another AOE 😆
Love this concept
That was a very cool video, hope to see more
Not gonna lie, stacking those mischevious imps doesn't seem like a bad idea. They're infuse 3, so if you play an infused one, you get three bodies to infuse the next, and 4 mana for 3 3/3s each turn would get overwhelming pretty quick.
Lol great banter on this one
This video was such a great business proposition 😂
Hey what do you use to record your videos?
You should let chat pick your deck with donations, the highest donation picks the card, donations have a 1 minute timer to come in.
Greed it up and keep the money for yourself (or do it a some kind of charity stream).
Also some other change is needed since once one player is ahead of say 30 gold in the bid they can declare to always outbid the other person by 1, and save 1 coin for each turn the other player is broke.
I think an appropriate way of doing this would be to first reveal your picks blind simultaneously, then, if they are the same choice, the auction starts. It speeds up the process, and does not create problems with revealing information. But maybe you want to do that for content so...
NL mentioned like given
Like this format a lot
Probably too late for Rarren to see this comment but, I think there should be some kinda use for leftover gold, adds another layer of strategy.
Dread: Idk if this card i really want is worth 30, while having 33% of his deck and only 10% of his gold spent. A random card should be worth 33 lol
Yeah, Rarran is just this insane
Very nice concept!
The disrespect Dreads shows to Automaton just seems insane lol
You should try a Nemesis draft variant - bidding for the worst card ro put in the opponent's deck. The draft would be even more impactful and a proper content fiesta!
Fellow NL enjoyer. 🎉
Cool format, but the bid should be for 1st pick, not a specific card.
Also, I think the play should be to always bid some amount of coins, just to prevent your opponent from getting the cards for cheap.
Great content, i hope, you will do this more.
yall look like you could be brothers
bidding on all the aoe was a top tier move
I think it would be fun to have a one time purchase to force a card into your opponents deck.
Hearing people outside the Baldosphere mention NL is always a little surprising.
This could actually be a game mode.
Dreads seems like a cool guy :)
Would be nice to see both decks as you guys are buildting them so that I don't have to keep them in mind
good format