How OLD is this ATLAS?
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- Recently I came across this atlas at a local yard sale, and thought it would be fun to explore and see how many of you can guess when it was printed based solely on the information inside!
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The fact that this book's publishing year has so many major events happening in it makes this a fantastic historic relic, as it is basically a snapshot of history from the 1970s
Nice
Spoiler alert
I REALLY want this book! I have a globe from the 50s which is a real treat as well!
I am an Afican
1978. I nailed it when you said..it was printed 3 years after Mozambique's independence. I knew it was post 1970 when I saw nearly all African countries were independent.Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe gained independence and changed the name in 1980 so this Atlas could not have ben printed after that.
This was fun.
I guessed 1978 by looking at the cover!
the inclusion of additional "artifacts" aside from the atlas itself, in the form of the old-school newsreel/documentary clips, is a really nice touch! really adds to the sense of diving into the past. my provisional guess was 1974 before i strayed into the comments and saw the answer
As a Indonesian, you actually skipped a important info. East Timor. East Timor was annexed during Operation Lotus aka invasion of East Timor in 1975 and formally incorporated into Indonesia in 1976. Making it the 27th province of Indonesia
Freeze-framing on the England page "where not much has changed" gave me the biggest clue of the whole video. English and Welsh county borders either side of 1974 are very different propositions, and remain somewhat malleable for the rest of the century in places.
Another good clue I never would've thought to look for!
I seen that too
At 6:35 he says that the book was published the same year that Greece changed it’s flag. so 1975.
@@RenéSaussy Slow down wrong he said this atlas was published in the same year that they instated the current flag as shown on the video and and the current flag of Greece has been used since 1978
I believe that until the revisions of '74, English county borders were the longest unchanged system of governance divisions anywhere in the world.
The map of only England is actually useful because it includes the metropolitan counties such as Merseyside which means it must be after 1972 but still includes counties like humberside which was abolished in 1996
My guess is 1978. Portugal abandoned it's colonies in 75, and you said that the flag of Mozambique was 3 years old. You also mentioned that the Iranian revolution had started, but not yet come to a close. I know it ended in 79, so it would match the previous example as well. Rhodesia granting majority rule is also something I think was in 79, but since it hasn't gone in effect yet, that yet again points to this being the year before that.
Edit: _Let's fucking gooooo_
If I had paid more attention to the Iran part I probably would have been closer but I ended up hyper fixating on Israel... and it's lack of the Golan Heights
its obvious because as a greek i know the flag changed in 78
@@mlgdigimon I hadn't realised Greece had changed it's flag in my lifetime - so initially thought the atlas was from the 1960s - until I saw some of the changes in Africa.
This is also very much what I was thinking especially when consider that Jimmy Carter only was president for 4 years. And the Islamic revolution was in this time as well and with the ending of the Vietnam war being not far from this era as well.
1977 to 78?
I would love if this concept became a regular series! I loved the globe video and I love this video too. It's not just a geographical curiosity; it really inspired curiosity about several major world events that I never learned about in school, or that were only briefly touched on. I have a lot to read about now.
Well, it's at least 8 minutes old
Top tier comment my dude. 😂
It’s from 1975.
6:35 he says it was from the same year Greece changed it’s flag
@@RenéSaussychanged in 78
@@RenéSaussy I’m pretty sure it’s at least older than I last saw my dad probably
@@RenéSaussy He probably meant the changing to the current flag. So I believe it's 1978 as he also just mentioned it in the Iran part (30:55).
every time you said "but this change occured the same year this book was published" i was in shock cuz what kind of messy ass time would it have been to be alive during that year 😭😭
As a Greek, I knew it was 1978 the moment you mentioned the Greek flag change.Hope to see more such videos though, both this and the globe one were very interesting and entertaining
This is top comment and spoiling the fun a little
I never knew Greece's old flag was same as Finnish flag but inverted.
spoilers
@@MoLaupiYou're reading the damn comments, you're literally spoiling yourself here. Wtf are you blaming the commenter for.
Same here. I also knew knew, partly from the beginning, the use of mainly trans-polar airplane routes instead of more modern routes, well before the Russo-Ukrainian war of routes within the former USSR.
The Spanish flag that was skipped at 5:54 could actually be a helpful clue. It featured a bird on it, which was something that would have been present during the Francoist period, which I knew would have been around this time. The bird was ditched in 1981, so it told me that the atlas couldn't have been any newer than that. I'm not Spanish, but I do know my flags.
Franco died in 1975, so the skip about it and the talk about similar events elsewhere made me think it was older. Btw, the 1978 Constitution already ditched the bird for civilian use.
@@Sunlit_Hollow Quite a few flags in this atlas use their state flags, such as Austria, Peru or Bolivia, so it's not like they're concerned about civil vs state flags. Another thing to point out is that since this book was made in 1978 and the constitution that ditched the bird was only ratified at the end of that year, it's possible that the situation is like that of the Greek flag he pointed out in the video, which was depicted with a design that would be ditched at the end of that year. It was probably one of the last times the Francoist flag ever got printed in a current atlas.
You'd actually be surprised in regards to the Netherlands. The Flevoland Province wasn't even established until 1986 because they created it from nothing. Until the 50's, this was essentially ocean or sea. Additionally, there were some major dam/infrastructure projects that took place, which are typically noted on more modern maps.
1968-1986 to be exact because that's when the Flevopolder was finished (1968) and when Flevoland was established as a province (1986)
My first reaction at 5:42 was also: wait, let's check that Netherlands map. So indeed after 1968,... Then I tried to check if the Deltawerken were there, but it was too hard to be sure. I think they are missing, do that makes it before 1986, and maybe before 1976. Typed this at that point in the video, so with 40 minutes of clues to come 😂
But it felt wrong to skip over the Netherlands as 'not much changed there'.
@@AnnemiekeVogelOld maps of the Netherlands are often lovely places to spot mistakes, such as a polder stretching the entire 'Zuiderzee'😅
And here I thought I was on to something with all the changes in British counties. Our border and name changes nothing compared to the Netherlands polders! :)
A big clue for me was that the city of Almere isn't present on this map, but Lelystad is. Lelystad was established in 1967 while Almere only became a municipality in 1984. I have to admit I had to look up the dates though
The british isles part is actually pretty useful in telling you that the map is no older than 1965 because the greater London area already existed.
Something else to look at when dating older maps are what is not there. When looking at the African maps, Eritrea was not there and Namibia was probably labeled as Southwest Africa and possibly indicated as under South African rule. Both of these countries got independence later, but they are also clues to map dating.
I was thinking about this too. Also South Sudan and East TImor (though it's not in Africa). EDIT: To be clear, neither was relevant once we got East and West Germany, but still.
True. Had an atlas from 71 or so without Namibia and a teacher at school got pissed at me for using such an old atlas almost 20 years later. Ah, the tribulations of being poor in the 90s!!
Yes, but that wouldn't have helped date this atlas that precisely - both became independent around 1990. The biggest clue for me was Djibouti - which I was pretty certain got independence in 1977. I guessed wrong at 1979 as I was thinking the Shah was deposed in 1980.
Much as you felt the map of England was no different to today, the county boundaries shown did a fine job of narrowing the window of time for somebody who lives here (they are the boundaries established in 1974, providing the earliest date). The rest of your clues suggest that the book dates from the late '70s - probably '78 or '79 - making it just a little younger than me. A fair amount of that information was still accurate when I was at school. ^.~
edit: oh, okay - it sounded like you were going to provide the answer in your next video. Huzzah for instant satisfaction! ^.^
At first I thought I was being clever by looking up the population numbers of some European countries and comparing them to the stated numbers, which put me somewhere in the late 60s or early 70s. Then when you got to Iran I knew it was 1978. It's interesting that the demographic data seems to be about 5-10 years out of date, but I guess censuses don't happen every year. I also really appreciate the historical footage you used, both for context and for flavor.
It was only after posting this video that I came to realize the Chinese population was off by 200 million people!
@@AtlasPro1sorry for replying off topic, but could you make a video on the biogeography of plants? There are such thing as the floralistic kingdom but a video going more in dept would be amazing!
I was born 2 years after this atlas was published. My family had a copy when I was a child and I remember flipping through the pages. This brings back memories! (I'm not certain what year our copy was printed - I suspect it was slightly later. I have a distinct memory of thinking Lybia's flag, as just a solid green sheet, was particularly odd.)
"Names like these almost feel like ancient history to me then real places that existed not to long ago." Having lived in a time when East Germany, Czechoslvakia and Yugoslavia were a reality during a big part of my life (and also being European), I felt similar when I discovered Ceylon and Siam in an old Atlas my parents owned.
Edit: Ah, I see Ceylon is still mentioned in parenthesis at least, same for Siam.
The remainder of Yugoslavia only changed its name to Serbia and Montenegro in 2003. I'm 29 and that name is still in my living memory.
Fun Fact: The people on the island of lanka are Sinhalese, the Portugese used the word Ceilão to refer to it, which was then changed by the Brits to Ceylon. After independence they changed their name back to Lanka with a 'Sri' in front, which means beautiful in Sanskrit.
While Thailand changed its name in 1939, to refer to the native historical name of the region which was "Mueang Thai" or "Prathet Thai". While siam was used by outsiders to refer to the region. The word is believed to have come from the Sanskrit word "Shyam".
At the time this was being put together I was being born and some of the content you shared is telling to me why my parents immigrated. Also NASA's Voyager had just begun. Very cool find, I remember thumbing through a similar book as a kid and loving all the flags. Time also did a similar but bigger Space hardcover that was really good and of that era.
The map of England you skipped at 4:47 was actually really helpful for me guesing the date. As the English county of Rutland was missing which was absorbed into Leicester in 1974 only to reappear in 1997 due to the county borders being redrawn.
My guess was '77.
I thought the same, but with the county of Humberside
I got the same clue by looking at Worcestershire and Herefordshire.
I grew up in Rhodesia, so as soon as you got on to Mozambique and Rhodesia, I knew. And that American news report, talking on the 'internal settlement' confirmed it.
It still blows my mind that people alive today can say this 🤯
@@AtlasPro1 😄 I'm not THAT old! I was 16 in 1978.
In Brazil, Mato Grosso do Sul state was still a part of Mato Grosso state; Tocantins was still a part of Goiás state; and Roraima, Acre, Amapá, Rondônia, and Fernando de Noronha were still federal territories. Rio de Janeiro city was its own state called "Guanabara", separate from the rest of present day Rio de Janeiro state.
I came to the comments section to see if any other Brazilian had already noticed that the divisions of Mato Grosso and Goiás hadn't happened yet 😂
Mato Grosso do Sul was created in 1977 and Guanabara was incorporated into Rio de Janeiro state in 1975. Tocantins achieved statehood with all the territories in 1988
@@vulpes7079 The Atlas is clearly not up-to-date with Mato Grosso do Sul. About Guanabara, I'm really not sure.
There is actually one small detail I picked up on in Ireland that helped me narrow it down. The town of Craigavon in Northern Ireland wasn’t founded until 1965, the fact it was featured meant it was at *least* some time after that.
4:45 - Regarding no differences about Denmark. The subdivisions of Denmark seems to be the former 15 "Amt"s (excluding Bornholm and Greenland.) The were established in 1970 with "Kommunalreformen" and replaced around 2004 with 5 regions instead by "Strukturreformen". So that would put it between 1970 - 2004. Anyway, I really like the video and the way you haven't revealed the answer - but show the maps in a high enough resolution making in possible to guess along! A lot of fun!
Haha, see this is the fun part for me, getting to hear the clues everyone else is capable of finding! I never even would've thought to look at Denmark's internal borders, let alone actually be able to determine a year from them!
Ah, I clocked my homeland divisions as well, but I didn't know they didn't come around until 1970 (I am a 90's kid, so... Yeah, beofre my time). But luckily I got other context clues to shut out pre-70s stuff as well.
Hello spaghetti man
I wouldn't be able to date the administrative subdivisions of any country except my own haha
@@AtlasPro1 Hey. What is the outro song name
My guess was 1975-1977, because East Timor is included in Indonesian border and the Libyan flag hasn't changed into a plain green rectangle
Also, I've watched your last three videos and I'm so thankful that your audio level has been more balanced. Your speech is louder and your intro music volume isn't too high. Props to you!
As a a member of Gen X born in the 70's, this atlas has been a combination of nostalgia and interesting facts I didn't know. My best guess before the reveal is 1973.
Based upon Jimmy Carter speaking other details including about Panama I could only narrow the date down to '76, '77, or '78. This was fun. I always look forward to and enjoy your videos. Thank you!!
Would’ve liked to see a closer image of the map of the Netherlands, as I can see that the Flevopolder had already been fully created (which was in 1968). In 5:44 you can see all the provinces of the Netherlands being clearly outlined, all except for Flevoland, implying it might have not been integrated as a province at that point. Since it was only established as a province in 1986, it is safe to assume that the map was made in the ballpark of 1968-1986 (:
No, in the South Asia part there is a flag of Bangladesh 31:23, which separated from Pakistan in 1971.
It's 1978
This was my thought exactly. Honestly, a video on this channel on how the Dutch have manipulated their geography through engineering would be awesome.
@@gugly8138They said 1968 to 1986. 1971 falls within that range my dude
I had the same thought process
First I thought it was mid-1960s then later starting veering towards late 1970s to mid 1980s. Nice to see I was fairly close. This was honestly a lot of fun.
Glad to see cealen devolpe his content so much in the past years😊
I am now in university and these videos I watch for fun are actually helping me. Who would have know?
You certainly missed East Timor in Southeast Asia. Still curious to know if it was still marked as a Portuguese possession or as an Indonesian colony.
I originally had a part in the script dedicated to Timor-Leste, but it only achieved independence from Indonesia in 2002, so at the time I didn't really think it was a worthwhile clue to include, but I didn't even consider its Portuguese history. In the book it appears as part of Indonesia, which would've told you the book was printed sometime after 1975, which is a much better clue!
Why colony?
@@WhizzKid2012 East Timorese had never been part of any Indonesian state before being invaded. Indonesia was extremely brutal in their assimilation efforts, including torture and mass killings in plain late 20th century.
@@sohopedeco yeah but the border of east timor is bordergore. It would be better if Indonesia annexed it again
@@sohopedeco supported by the west to prevent east timor become soviet allied state.
Between the Canal Zone and Portuguese Decolonisation I could've given a good guess, though you totally gave it away by saying specific numbers of years! Also a lot of the pages showing national subdivisions like in the UK or South America can give some good hints, such as the establishment of Greater London or Margaret Thatcher's redrawing of county borders (most obviously in Humberside) which had only happened in 1974.
For any Typography Students/Enthusiasts out here, the type for the "World Atlas" part is Serif Gothic. Went down a small rabbit hole to find it but seeing that R woke something up inside of me and I just had to have it.
And wouldn't you know it, Serif Gothic is a hybrid serif/gothic typeface designed by Herb Lubalin and Tony DeSpigna and initially released in 1972 in Regular and Bold weights. So it has to be after 1972 which is a big clue.
Im from the mid-70s and my school atlas had East and West Germany, USSR, Yugoslavia, the Aral Sea all still on. I was 13 when the Berlin wall fell, SA apartheid ended, and my school in Australia had the extended families of Yugoslavian friends come through during the war there. An interesting time to discover and love geography.
The paper and glossy appearance gives 1980±4 years
My first guess was 1978. But all the old footage had me second guessing myself. 1972? Surely not the 1960s? Ahah. Glad I had some idea regardless of my lack of knowledge on the time period.
He says that it was published the same year Greece adopted their modern flag
So it’s 1975
No the modern Greek flag was adopted in 1978@@RenéSaussy
It was the Rhodesia and Shah of Iran stuff that nailed it down to 1978 for me, but until then I thought it was from the early 70's. Good fun.
Brazilian here, the map of South America gave it away for me, since it shows 2 Brazilian states that are currently 4 (Mato-Grosso and Goias were split to create Tocantins and Mato-Grosso-do-Sul), and that change happened in 1977, and by context clues from the rest of the video my thoughts were that it was prob from 1975-1979 (cause judging from on how Asia and Africa were handled it by the makers, they prob wouldnt care for these changes for at least some 2 years), couldnt pinpoint the exact year, but narrowed it down as much as i could :V
also, in the South American flags you were right, 1 flag changed cause it removed a coat of arms from it, only it was Venezuela not Peru, that as far as im aware always had the coat of arms :V
As someone with very little knowledge on our more recent modern world history, my guess was still a nebulous early 1980s. I'm actually quite surprised I managed to get so close to the correct answer. From the initial pages of the book, I could guess it was either the 1960s or 1980s and a few of the specific events really helped to contextualize what was happening at the time and narrow it down.
Since you dismissed the page on Poland as it lacked clues, I can mention it looks very divided administratively. That's because it used to have many more voivodeships. This has been changed into modern version in 1999, which isn't very useful considering the neighbouring Czechoslovakia dissolved its union in 1992, but the year of introduction was 1975, which gives a rather solid lower boundary, which could prove useful.
A good clue indeed! That's why I still included a good long shot of Poland, I knew SOMEBODY would be able to find something!
My partner picked on up in1979. We keep our own vintage books from our vintage lives and I see it's dated January 1978.
This reminds me of a natgeo atlas from 90 or 91 my family had when I was young. It had a united Germany but an intact USSR. Wish I could have kept it just for what a neat moment of time it was. I even remember the map saying Germany wasn't reunited yet at time of print, but all the plans were in place.
There is actually a great detail from the Indonesia territorial changes vs today at around 34:14 if you look closely to the southeast part. It shows the atlas was printed after one specific event has occurred, which is pretty significant if you ask me. Also notice the blue from the Philippines flag, and the Brunei flag is missing lol
For me (as a German) the amount of sovjet symbols in the flags were both fascinating to see as well as a good hint. Also the two Germanys and the united Vietnam let me think the book could have been published in 1976, so in my mind thats close :) I hope we can see more of these sort of videos, very entertaining
I have a book from 1654 and was at Harvard. The maps are priceless. In the centuries before aviation, these borders are very close!
What a fantastic video idea! As someone who is quite knowledgeable about contemporary geography, I realized I definitely need to brush up on my history 😅
You're not alone. I have a lot of knowledge on maps in general, but for the life of me can't keep track of what happened when in history:/
Same here
I have a 1949 atlas on my coffee table. That might tell you something about why I follow this channel.
I’m not geography buff but I’ll guess sometime between the late 60s and early 70s. Can’t guess an exact year without any accuracy. The footage you used really clued me into this timeframe and the Cyprus conflict because I generally know when that happened. Love these types of videos because of the knowledge you have!
Middle East history guy here, I had to wait until Iran to get it but you've got me intrigued to know more about Yemen.
5:43 well the page of the Netherlands does give an indication. Since the south of the province Flevoland is already build, the map must be from 1968 or later
There was actually another really good clue in the Netherlands, as it features the proposed Markerwaard, but there was a little text box next to it saying what year it was predicted to be completed, and I felt like it was too much information
@@AtlasPro1 The outline of Amsterdam was also a good clue, as Amsterdam has it's historical borders still, in the 80's Amsterdam annexed quite a bit of land.
Seeing the cover I guessed 1972 +/- 5 years.
Then you showed a unified Vietnam and I thought closer to 1975.
Panama shows it was before 1979..
I love old atlases like this.
I do remember these books from when I was growing up.
I like the concept of this video and would certainly like to see more like this.
For me it would have been more fun, if you hadn't referenced the Year this book was printed. (I saw the different flag for greece, paused the video, googled when it was changed and then you said it was the same year the book was printed.)
The song at the end is great
Very fun. Closest I got was late 70s. Shameful really, for having a bachelor’s degree in history. It has been several years since I studied, however.
There is one clue in the Benelux map, specifically the Netherlands. Flevoland is man-made land and didn't become a separate province until 1986. Seeing Malta on the European map not labelled as a British colony would, to me, put this map between late 1964 and January 1986 just before the six minutes mark.
I was really stubborn with myself between choosing 1979-1981. Since some of the latter clues really made me think one or the other. I did a heavily researched presentation on Jimmy Carter a few years ago and the Iran Revolution was one of the main things I talked about. A little shocked to hear it was actually 1978. I thought to revolution occurred in 1980
The overthrow happened in 1979
Yes that threw me - I was thinking the Shah was overthrown in 1980, and he said the atlas was from the year before.
I was even more wrong about when the revolution took place. I guessed that that was back in 75, with the atlas being from 1974.😅
@@rogink the over throw happed in 1979 this atlas is from 1978
1980 is the year when Iraq invaded Iran. The overthrow happened in 1979
As a kid I loved looking at maps and atlases. I still kinda do as a mid 40s guy, but now it's more Google Maps. Having been a grandfather for a few months, I want to buy an atlas to have laying around the house, for when the little guys are coming around and are old enough in a few years to discover the greatness of maps/atlases. I still have time to look around for a good one. Sadly, children these days have so many more things to get distracted by than atlases or graphical educational books.
By the way, whenever I see a vintage map/atlas, I always look for the divided Germany (coming from the East myself).
4:58 Denmark has changed since this though. The 14 administrative regions (amter) shown in this map have been combined into the current 5 regions. But since that happened in 2007, it obviously doesn't add any new clues at this stage in the investigation.
It’s 1975.
He says that the atlas was published the same year that Greece changed it’s flag
Similar story with Norway, our regions (fylker), were combined from 19 to 11. But that was also very recent, in 2017, so not a helpful clue for guessing the age of the atlas
A lot of useful info in this book to help pinpoint it's print year. Vietnam has unified meaning it's at least the mid 70s, Rhodesia hasn't changed it's name yet which I believe happened around 1980, and Greece is still a Dictatorship. A lot of the news clips you showed also mentioned the Carter administration, so with all the info presented I think the book is from somewhere between 1977-1979.
coming from the indian subcontinent, but being born after the turn of the century, i think i probably learnt more about the late 20th century world history from this video than i ever learnt before. the only clue i followed was that this was after 1971 when bangladesh became a country, and also maybe knowing about the iranian revolution but i wasnt sure and thought it happened in 1980. I guessed late 70s, so i turned out to be close enough. thanks for this video!
Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) opened their first polar route in 1954 , from Los Angeles to Copenhagen, with stops in Edmonton (Canada) and Thule (Greenland).
For a while, all the Hollywood stars who went to Europe to make biblical epics in, say, Italy, went through Copenhagen
The correct year when that atlas was published is 1978 , because in 1978 Greece was adopted his new flag which is still in use and the point u said that the atlas was published in the same year gave the complete confirmation.
Having such things give some extra knowledge as well as excites u to learn about the history.
In Indian culture,having such a historical thing is the sign of blessings from the ancestors.
Wow! I've never in all the years I've been alive seen a map of the world from the North Pole before.
There’s a reason for that.
@@snomcultist189 OK expert, what's that reason. There's a map from the fifteenth century from the South Pole perspective. Don't ask me how, I wasn't there.
So you never saw flag/emblem of the United Nations then?
@@KuK137 I did say Map.
@@toni4729That's a map, just on a flag😉
1978, the best clue for me was the events in Iran. Very entertaining and interesting video!
I would have liked to have a look at the UK map, to tell if it was before or after 1972 (based on the counties). But alas...
1978.
I’m not quite skilled enough to tell by a single country’s counties, but that’s why I tried to include so many shots of the entire pages, so that if you want you can pause and find even more clues
@@AtlasPro1 Greater Manchester appears to be a single county in the map shown at 4:47, which would only be accurate after 1974.
@@AtlasPro1 There also were a number of local government reorganizations in West Germany during the mid-1970s, but one would have to closely study the map, and even then may only be able to say if this was from the first or the second half of the decade.
The 1970s were a decade of surprisingly large change on the local government level throughout much of central Europe!
The map of West Germany shown at 5:03 sadly doesn't include administrative regions equivalent to the county level (the "Landkreise"), which were reformed in several phases between 1969 and 1979. If one assumes that the atlas is accurate then this would pin it down to the right quarter(!) of 1978.
@@AtlasPro1 I just checked to see what Wikipedia said about this, and sadly, the English Wikipedia is silent about anything but the changes in the UK. However, the German Wikipedia has a comprehensive article "Gebietsreform" that covers the changes of internal borders in Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Greece, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal and Switzerland during the second half of the 20th century (especially, as I said, the 1970s). As far as I can tell, that's the only Wikipedia that covers this less known part of European history.
bring back astro pro man, the content was paramount.
I remember you said at the beginning of the video that people might be able to make a good guess from the title page graphic design alone. I guessed 1980 at that point, and wasn't far off!
My guess is 1972, 6 years off. Honestly I'm pretty happy it was even that close
My first guess was early 70's, but I had come to settle on 1979 until your clue about the Carter administration at the end. This was a great video concept, very engaging and informative.
Having been a student in elementary school in the 1970s, the style of the book looked very familiar. The geography lessons heavily featured the statistical data such as area, population, type of government, major exports, etc. Extra time was given to a few major countries, but continents like South America and Africa were dealt with more as whole (although Egypt was given a bit more time because of the pharaohs and pyramids).
My guess ended up being a range, which I placed at 1975 to1979.
I love how informative this video was about history. I was just interested in the facts to learn and not actually guess at first.
This is the content I came looking for.
The song at the very end about the Panamanian Martyrs' Day events is amazing. That's now a national holiday in Panama
I really like these old video clips ^^
I guessed 76-80 due to the fact that I am a Chinese, and at the time the Chinese Economic Reform started, and we learned about that a lot, and I remembered that around that time, the Chinese population is close to the one shown on the atlas, some other clues on the atlas re-enforced my conclusion, and no apologies for any grammatical mistakes, I am not British.
There's actually a pretty fun couple of clues from the Great Britain page- Greater London is showing it's original external boundaries, which means it must be between 1965 and 1969, and Milton Keynes isn't there- it was founded in 1967 and had reached almost 100,000 by 1981. Interestingly enough the England/Wales/Scotland only maps are definitely showing the 1974-1993ish council areas so that's been copied over. The Scottish map in particular is completely different as the big council areas were abolished in 1998.
Denmark and Finland have also had substantial administrative changes since that period. It's not going to be enough to pinpoint to the year, but the Danish map indicates it's 1970-2004, the Finnish map is 1960-1996 - you can start pulling these together and it starts bracketing it into the 70s at the earliest.
The Germany map is actually less helpful- it gives a terminus post-quem of 1990 considering the divided state, but could represent any period from the 1956 abolition of the Saar until then.
As soon as I saw the globe on the cover I had flashbacks to the 1st grade in elementary school. Wow, walking through that book, all the countries where I first learned them to be, the shape, and even the loud primary colors and the pointilistic dot matrix printing. It's gotta be 1977-78. Salesmen would come to your door to sell encyclopedias. That hardcover Time book looks like something that would have been sold door to door.
Wow! Cool. At the start of the video I guessed between 1982-1985. And to be honest, I'm pretty bad with the history of global events prior to that time. But when you showed the maps of a unified Vietnam, that gave it away for me. Because I know that Vietnam was reunified in 1975. Beyond that, I couldn't guess the approximate year of the printing of your Time Atlas. But this video was so fun to watch. I love looking at maps! ❤
Without any googling I landed on late 1970s. As soon as I googled the Canal Zone I landed on 1978. I am not very good at remembering specific years, but I can often remember the rough time periods in which things happened.
So my initial limiting factor was of course Europe. Germany and the USSR's borders are an immediate hint that we're talking about the Cold War. Trying my best to look at the county borders in Norway, I guessed that the map was from the early 70s at the earliest due to it seeming like Bergen was part of Hordaland and not its own county. I couldn't really tell though. The next big hints came from the Middle East, as I know many of the conflicts mentioned happened in the 70s and 80s. While I didn't know the specific year that the Shah was deposed, I did use the old Iranian flag as my reason to go for the 70s over the 80s. Next hint was Vietnam, which locked in the late 70s for me. Then I decided to finally give in and use google, as I would do that if I was actually dating the atlas myself, and as I was watching the Canal Zone bit at the time, combining the google result with the narration told me that this atlas is from 1978. :)
I was watching it and placed a guess early on. Thought I'd be wrong because I'm bad with dates but good at remembering events.
So it was a pleasant surprise being spot on at the end.
Yes! Peru has a coat of arms! We just don't use it because of ink saving reasons, I guess. Or maybe because it looks too "baroque" and "outdated". Thing is we love our coat of arms even to this day..
Only about 5 minutes in as I write this comment, so I don't know if you'll address it later, but the map of the UK and Ireland (and the map of England in particular after that) provided a major clue. Obviously East Germany gives a time frame of 1949-1989, but the county of Greater London as it exists today (and which was included in an inset on the UK map) was only established in 1965 and the rest of the English counties were reformed and redrawn following the Local Government Act 1972 (which came into effect on 1st April 1974).
I collect old atlases, and try to get them right after revolutions. They take less space than old globes!
I wrote a research paper for PoliSci inspired from your Biorock video. I did do further research and changed the focus to fit the rubric, but I was able to teach my professor something new. Thank you for the topic and thank you my grade.
I do graphic design. From the front page I already had a hunch--1977. What a fun journey this was!
1978 is the year of the atlas! 42:02
It’s crazy how much the world has changed since then, and how much more it will change!
1972 would be my guess. Fantastic video.
Just from watching the video and what I already had in my memory, I guessed the late 1970's. Cyprus still being unified, and Vietnam already having been reunited, were probably being the biggest clues for me.
I loved the news reels you included here. This video was great fun!
One thing you overlooked to give a good 20-ish year date for the atlas is that it shows not only the two germanys, but also Greater London. If we take a look at Jay Foreman's first video about the boroughs of Greater London, we'd know GL would have been created in the 1960s. I believe its 1965.
thank you again for this incredible video. Mostly THANKS for the addition of the old news report videos so helpful and a good remember of what happened
I managed to narrow it down to 1975-1977 mostly from knowing the approx. years of Carter's Presidency, the end of the Vietnam War, and the rise of the Ayatollah, and the video quality and fashions in some of the news clips, than from having any knowledge of the flag or country changes. lol If I'd been thinking I would've moved it up a year for publishing turnaround time and been pretty much spot-on. Fun video!
I knew it was 1978 when you gave the Mozambique history. It gained independence in 1975, 3 years before the atlas.
The name Zaire reassured me that it was indeed in the 70s. I wish they had kept that name. It's confusing having two Congos
I was 3 when that was published. I didn't know the answer from any of the flag clues. The Zimbabwe bit furthered by start of video guess which was 1982.
How I came to the guess of 1982 was memories of the look of printed books from mye arly years. The typeface, the printing etc. The printing technique, including small amounts of yellow, remidned me of kids annuals (Dandy and Beano) from the early 80s.
All made me realise my loack of knowledge of so much.
I guessed 1978 pretty early for no particular reason other than the font of the title. As you discussed events, it was confirmed when you talked about Ethiopia, Portuguese colonies, and Iran.
As an asian, i love how you presented Rhodesia🇿🇼
Well the Panama song is a BANGER
At 42 minutes, I have my final guess: 1979. I was really unsure and thinking vaguely 60s or 70s, and leaning more towards 60s, actually. The one historical event you mentioned that made me 100% sure it was '79 though was The Iranian Revolution, which you said happened the same year.
Great episode. I had no clue without doing Google searches on the flags as you described each.