How I ALMOST Named The Deepest Crater on Mars
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- My recent entry into the NameExoWorlds Contest has reminded me of the time I tried, and nearly succeeded, to name the deepest crater on Mars, and a new tool has allowed me to explore this feature like never before.
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I think Mars' lowest point was when it lost it's magnetosphere. Only went downhill from there.
I see what you did there. ;)
If it went downhill from there, then how could that possibly have been the lowest point?
ohhh thats a smart thing u did there
@@lonestarr1490i was gonna say that as well
@@vladimirlenin843i was gonna say that as well
tartarus would be a perfect name for the deepest point of mars
Another good name! Maybe that's what we should name that other irregular depression nearby!
@@AtlasPro1 Submit Styx as a name for the underground river!
Ah, someone beat me to it! I agree with this sentiment
@@AtlasPro1being an Arizonan myself, I think saguaro crater for the hottest crater could be nice.
goeketry daasg
Honestly Calypso is so much better sounding than Badwater
The whole video I was thinking that, calypso crater is just so much a better name than badwater crater
There's already a moon (of Saturn) named Calypso, and a large asteroid named Kalypso.
I like Badwater
@@booradley1138It’s not as if anyone’s gonna confuse a crater with the other two.
@@skan5728 I like Badwater too, it doesn't sound THAT bad, but Calypso just sounds better. And the meaning behind it actually makes more sense
The raised portion of Calypso Crater could also be called Ogygia for the island Calypso in the Greek myths was exiled on
There is an island in Antarctica named Ogygia.
@@khatian6350 There is a town in Greece named Calypso and a pond in California named Badwater
Outrageous flouting of the rules for Badwater! This can only be forgiven by the recognition of Calypso, nothing else shall do!
I can't even pretend to object to badwater, that is a good name and they were right to bend the rules for it.
Badwater Basin is also the name of the lowest point on North America in Death Valley so it's pretty appropriate.
@@WizardToby yes, it's a good choice. It's just funny the official record doesn't seem to recognise its an exception made for decent reason.
@@WizardToby I think that makes it pretty inappropriate. Giving an asteroid and a crater the same name, ok. Nobody will confuse those two. But two distinct depressions in the same solar system with the very same name? That's nuts!
RIGHT
First of all that's just a stupid name and I can't fathom why anyone would like it but also
PETITION TO CHANGE THE NAME
The deepest point should be called Calypso and so that the guys who named it to begin with can still feel like special little snowflakes we can call the newly discovered one Badwater
I've been especially interested of Hellas Planitia past few years. Glad you're increasing its awareness to a wider audience. Heckin lowest point on Mars with 1.3% of athmospheric pressure compared to Earth's sea level. Not a total vacuum.
That’s what I’m talking about! Everyone knows Olympus Mons, but everyone is sleeping on Hellas!
ngl, Badwater is a pretty good name, though not technically "legal". But best of luck naming Calypso Crater. It's an awesome name. Even more so now, that you saw how much it's connected to water, since Calypso is a nymph in Greek Mythology. I sure will call it that in my head from now on
You think? When I hear the name "Badwater" I think of when the water company does an oopsie in my area and my water turns cloudy for a few days xD
@@Nikolaj11Sounds like somewhere in the wild west to me. I am an American, so ig I'd be familiar with names of places like that.
@@Nikolaj11 kinda fair, actually. I just meant that, if Mars had a more regular/active water cycle, that Badwater Crater might display similar processes as Badwater Basin on earth. I think that's neat
While I do prefer the name Calypso, I'm glad that Badwater had significance and wasn't just tossed out there by someone who wanted to name it after their home town or something
Good luck next time naming an extraterrestrial object!
the results are already out
from what i can tell it doesn’t look like the IAU sent an email to anyone when nameexoworlds was done, so i’m not sure many people even know the results are out yet
It's good to see one of TF2's most iconic maps getting name recognition on the Martian surface.
Official bread space sequel map
cant wait for 2fort crater
metalworks crater sounds sick af
I was really hoping the depth would be named after the house of Hades, uh.. Hades. It would be very poetic to have the highest point be Mount Olympus and the lowest point be Hades Deep or something.
But Calypso is nice!
I agree with your reasoning, but I would extend it behond Mars. Olympus Mons is the highest peak on the *solar system*, so it would be amazing if Hades Deep would be the name given -by extention- to the lowest point in the *entire solar system*.
What would that be though, hard to say. Do we consider only the lowest "terrestrial" place, or do we include places beneath the water, like for example Europa? "Hades Deep", the "Mariana trench" of Europa and the lowest crust point in the entire known solar system 😂
@@alphamorion4314 that's an even cooler proposal and I totally agree.
Are the deep channels of sub-surface brine already named? And if not, what would be the rules for naming such places? I personally feel like them being such deep channels where water once flowed, they should be named after the rivers believed to flow through Hades' realm, Erebus. Like Styx, or Phlegathon.
I had the exact same thought! Another cool greek derived name would be Acheron, the river that Charos, the ferryman of souls, would traverse on his way to Hades
@@Kostas_Ountsis agreed!
I don't think it's been confirmed that these channels do in fact exist (that's why he was mentioning the "optimistic hats" and the need for further attention into this region in the future)
If they do get studied and confirmed I agree that Greek rivers or mythological rivers would be great sources for the names
Here's hoping that "Calypso Crater" becomes official.
I'd prefer Calypso Point for the deepest part
No way man, Bad Water Gang 4 Lyfe
Jesus Christ. He is starting to make geographic breakthroughs at a multi-planetary level!
Great finds all around!!
I do enjoy the name being "Badwater", and just adding Basin to it will add a tf2 landmark to Mars.
I think most of us think that Calypso is a better name than "Badwater". I wonder what name/s they gave to their child if they ever have one.
"Cryingkid"
If they are indeed from California, you might be better off not knowing...
"Mistake"
Helen Payne
Badwater is better as a name for a mining town in the Old West. The kind where an old lady calls you a slur in the street, and then Gene Wilder assures you that these people are simple farmers.
Y'know. Morons.
there is a way to install that software used to generate the topographical map at 4:52. I did it myself somehow in a sleepless night after seeing a wonderful render of the North Pole of Mercury.
If installed correctly it's basically a Google Maps for planet topography, where you can wander, measure and explore around. It could have really helped with finding the exact deepest point of Mars, down to the very resolution limit of the available data; and you could still try to find an even deeper point or confirm the current one with maximum precision
And this is how that boat got named Boatymcboatface. 😆😆😆
Power to the people! But for accuracy's sake, the boat famously DIDN'T get named that. They named a small submersible on the boat instead... and they didn't even change it to Subby Mcsubface.... the insult. It's not even a boat!
Very good and pretty accurate video. congrats. I like to point out that Hellas Impact basin is one of the oldest, i believe Utopia Basin is older.
IAU are not great at presenting info like this, i did ask them a while back to define and put on their maps the extent of Lowland, Highland plains etc. While some of it is mapped out , it's pretty basic.
Anyway i point people to a subreddit called r/Areography if their intrested in the geography of mars
Nice video. You are channeling some of that Vsauce energy with that very entertaining technique of a "rabbit hole" topic with winding path to the conclusion.
I have myself sometimes wondered what the precise deepest depth of Hellas is, but unlike you I always thought it's "Marianas Trench"-like depression to the southwest of your crater.
I think we need a higher resolution elevation map of the area! It's really hard to tell which one is actually deeper, Badwater or the Hellas Chasma, but I think you're right that the Chasma is the more significant "depth"
Find it with a computer program: Have it check each pixel in a heightmap. If the heightmap is greyscale, it's easy. It's not so easy if it shows depth by hue, but I'm sure there are libraries to convert the colors to a value. I'd do it if I didn't have other things to do right now. By the way, where do you get a good heightmap from?
Calypso is named after a moon of Saturn, I am just not sure if the same name can be used twice.
i can only imagine badwater crater is named after badwater basin in california's death valley. while it is unfortunate that you were beaten to the punch, i do like the name badwater
Did you watch the video? He confirmed it was named after it, and he made that pretty clear.
Love the video, but could you turn up the volume for future ones? They've been rather quiet recently
agreed, my volume is normally set to 18 for pretty much everything. I turned it up to 42 for this video to get roughly the same real level
As someone with some audio engineering training, my guess is whoever is editing the audio is using HQ headphones and not checking out the mix on other speaker systems lol. best practice is to give it a final pass on multiple types of speakers, your mixing headphones, studio monitors, and I'd reccomend checking how it sounds through your phone speakers, and also through a cars stereo
@@switch158o be fair, it's a TH-cam video, not a chart topping album lol
Edit: but ofc you're right, if the editor would have done all those steps, it would sound more leveled
or pull the music down compared to the speach
I love the excitement and hope to really discover something really new. Kudos to you Atlas
The name exo worlds results are out!
Idk if you already knew this, but I participated and didn’t get an email when it was done, so maybe you didn’t get one either
Cool that you don't want to do sponsorships anymore! I hate them too, like all ads. I hope it works out with Patreon! You're vids are great, I just love your channel(s).
Love the video! Suggestion: please raise the overall volume of the video. It seems a bit too low volume. Maybe some compression would even things out for you.
Yes and yes! Though the Astro Pro little intro was way too loud comparatively. I had to slap my volume button and then turn it back up once he started speaking again.
His voice was quieter than the rest. A mixing mistake, I guess.
back in 2012 i was fascinated about this crater, hours and hours looking at satellite images on google earth in mars mode of this region
I love how all this is available to the public. It allows this kind of stuff to be found by everyday people, and looked into further. So cool.
Excellent work. I love how you go beyond your initial question.
I would love to see a follow up, in fact I'm looking forward to it!
Even if it is a shorter form video than you are used to, I am excited to see where this process leads you in the coming weeks 😄
Well done! You should be able to name more in the future
to the southeast of badwater and southwest of calypso, very close to alpheus colles elevation, i notice a small crater at a place where the surroundings are also about as low as it gets. i think this might be deeper than badwater
3:30 Penus Palace ahahahahaha
Your name sounds more cooler than 'Badwater'
7:40 Oh sh*t! So that's where "Calypso Protocol" took it's name from!
I have a reason why Calypso Crater would be a particularly good name for that second crater: the Messinian sainity crisis.
Around 5-6 million years ago, the strait of Gibraltar closed, turning the Mediterranean into an endorheic basin that almost completely dried up as a result. Only a handful of significant bodies of water survived, all of them salt lakes similar to those found in North America's the Great Basin - of which Death Valley is a part. My guess is that Calypso would have been the deepest point of one of these salt lakes, making it an ideal choice of name for a crater in that part of Hellas with such easily identifiable evidence of liquid water.
Even after the explanations given I dislike the name Badwater. Calypso sounds way cooler and more fitting for the deepest part of Mars.
Other than the West's obsession with classicism and Greek mythology in particular I don't understand why Calypso is 'cooler and better fitting'
I so enjoy your videos!! Thank you so much for sharing your juvenile enthousiasm with all of us!! And yes it is contagious!!
Thats amazing man!
*I waited so long for this episode!*
This crater in my head will always be Calypso crater✌️
Thanks for the awesome content and great video!!!
Dude you are awesome, such an inspiration! Good luck bro!
Your videos are inspiring and so interesting, thank you 🙂
im happy that you're doing space videos on this channel!!
In Google Earth desktop app's Explore Mars mode this crater is named as Badwater. It's an odd crater as it has a central depression as if it had a double hit. It's fascinating that it ould be the last place on Mars that natural liquid water would have existed freely on the surface.
thank you so much for continuing to share this subject you're clearly so passionate about!
Bravo, Great video. I followed a similar investigation and Hellas Planitia about 10 years ago when I found out that it was the only place above the triple point of water. I outlined a short story about this being the place for an early Mars colony.
I used to drive by this tiny town, barely two dozen people. A blink-and-you'll-miss-it kind of place. But it has a really cool name: Strathcona.
On Google Earth Pro, there's an option to use a map of Mars. Google Earth Pro also happens to have an 'elevation of cursor' indicator, and it suggests the deepest point of Badwater is at -8528 metres. That is within a small depression at the centre of Badwater (a sub-crater, if you will) which, maybe, could be named 'Tartarus' or 'Hades' as some have suggested?
21:21 Damn right you will! Here's to your boundless enthusiasm!
Dude, so entertaining. Absolutely loved this video. Thank you.
Just wanted to say: Your channel is amongst the most interesting ones out there....always brilliant, thanks!
In Dutch, Badwater means "bath water" so I was confused for a while. 😂
You may just name the second deepest crater though! Glad to see some new videos from you.
I love your passion. Truly infecteous
do you turn down the volume of your videos when you edit them?
finally new episode about Mars!
Good job with this, so fascinating.
One of the most inspiring videos that I've ever seen
I can already imagine the geopraphy tests 10 000 years in the future being exceedingly confusing.
on one hand, i think Calypso is a much more fitting name as a whole, but badwater with the possible brine connection is really cool as well. if anything i wish we named badwater something better, or kept an indigenous name for it and had that be used. Eitherway just learning about any of this is wonderful
Wait a second... is this an Aspro Pro video on the Atlas Pro channel? That's what I call an outstanding move ;)
“Arieography” seemed like an odd name for Mars geography to me at first, then I realized that geo- comes from the Greek word for earth, so it checks out.
I’ve done my research! 😅
Have you considered writing up your analysis of the Hellas features in a scientific journal? Most do accept submissions from amateurs.
Just added this to the Badwater Wikipedia talk page! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Badwater_Basin#Relevance_to_Mars
Hopefully somebody more experienced than I could add it to the article.
Good job dude!
Oof! I know the feeling of getting your hopes up over some discovery you think you've made. :) But I'm slightly envious of your chance to possibly name another crater! :D
I thought Atlas would've been a perfect name! You could use the excuse that it's the name of the Greek titan holding up the world from underneath
Exciting and informative presentation!
great video again, keep it up 👍
If you get everyone to start referring to it as Calypso Crater, you've basically named it in the end.
I think it's pretty naive of you to think you were the first to recognize it 😂. I actually remember looking through an elevation map just like the one you used (google mars), and I found that same crater and wondered what it was called, but never did the research, so thanks for finding the name! Also, you were one of the first to go through and try to name it, so that's cool :)
Favorite channel ever you're so real
Good luck with the naming 👍
Keep on trying
When you realize you've driven through a small town with 300 some odd people that's now internet famous countless times
i would die for this man
Hey ATLAS Pro: Have you by any chance heard back about Anything related to that possible hypothesis you mentioned related to noticing volcanic activity on the opposite side of a impact crater on certain planets/moons?
The dark streaks you point out in the two craters look more like dust devil tracks to my eye. There are the possible flow features (RSL) in the upper-left wall of Badwater Crater, but I don't see them in the other crater.
I really hope you get to name some astronomical body or feature someday. That would be extraordinarily cool to know that your idea for a name was out there for all to see.
Now I’m going to go listen to John Denver singing "Calypso." Then I’ll probably play his song "Spirit," which references Apollo, Orpheus, Andromeda, and Vega. That song was my very favorite song back in 1976 when I was a kid. I was fascinated by the star Vega at the time…
No offense, but in the document you provided in your sources "Grid-mapping Hellas Planitia", in the second figure, you can clearly see "Badwater" written on top of your crater... Great video, keep up the good work
Calypso is a much better name in regards to Olympus Mons, but Badwater ain't that bad. The name itself is awful but the 'potential' meaning behind it seems really thought out. And let us be real, the greek naming theme is not really set in stone, the planet is not named Ares after all.
A google search on Badwater Crater reveals related questions on deepest point on mars, so this video is working.
Speaking of Badwater crater, it is *also* not named in the video game Per Aspera, however it is the first place which gathers water when you terraform the planet.
also this is very interesting indeed . . . if we have proof of water flowing on mars on a human scale than this makes hellas one of the most dynamic and interesting places that mars has to offer
and besides the slight risk of getting stuck in a still wet deposit the area is prettymuch asking for a mission
Hi AtlasPro, completely unrelated to this topic, but do you know more about 'Air rivers'? how the water is moved from oceans and seas land inward and the effect of geography and main wind directions.
Your videos are so top level you could get sponsorships from a scamy "countertop composters" companies and i wouldn't complain one bit. Its a journey every time so thanks for taking us along for the ride
Good news! Probably because of your video, Wikipedia now has an entry on Badwater Crater
Am I the only one who wonders why this video was posted on this channel? Didn't Caelan decide to separate his biogeography from his space videos?
i think this could be a new naming convention for craters located in hellas crater! the deepest locations of different countries it’s okie that you didn’t get to name the deepest one, cuz i think starting a naming convention for craters in the hellas crater could be even cooler! especially if this starts more exploration in this part of mars!
also i used to have a cat named calypso, she was a calico main coon cat, and i felt like this information was necessary to share lol
18:15 you should look if in the opposite side of mars there's a volcano, that looks like a desplacement of terrain like the other ones that are created for the giant volcanos
One of the reasons I didn't watch the older videos on Astro Pro is that I'd already watched them on Atlas Pro
I recently looked for deepest point within Hellas Planitia too just from curiousity, maybe I'll look again at it with new detailed map
Amazing video
4:40 past participle of strike is struck, not striked. Notice the red underlines in any modern OS when you write the not-word striked.
Awesome!
There is now a Wikipedia page for Badwater Crater! It’s pretty short, but at least its on Wikipedia
I made it
it seems bad water did not meet the criteria you so diligently followed, as the say life isnt always fair, thanks for another great video, i was nicknamed mars in my early school years, however it never stuck.
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