How To: Machine Polish 2k Clear on a Scalemodel
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I spent 6 hours hand polishing yesterday with poor results and TH-cam shows me this today. Thank you so much I think I need to find a rotary tool!
I paint with P.u automotive paint, after a few coats of paint I wait for it to dry and after a few days I sand everything with 1500,2000,3000 sandpaper then I apply another coat of P.u paint, the important thing is to dilute the paint well with thinner, the The airbrush noise is different when the paint is well diluted, so the paint is not thick, and in the last application I mix 60% paint with 40% solid self-varnish, it is important to remember that it is recommended to leave the piece in the sun before painting. to heat it up, this helps the thinner evaporate faster, making the piece brighter.
ADDING:? Oh my....The idea of using a rotary tool with a soft bit AND Maguire's X20? Just brilliant. I have the perfect variable-speed rotary (not a Proxxon, sorry) but you have inspired me! Thanks, from a fellow modeller who had taken a "break" and maybe lost some confidence...this is a great video.
Which rotary are you using plx?
Hey Tom
I could watch your channel 'til the cows come home! I'm getting back into model-making after a break of many years but you are teaching me stuff I never knew before so I am looking forward to making some improvements. Thanks man :)
Mark
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Ha I'm Bradley I'd be interested in a 100 point car how do I do it
Same here
Just wanted to give you a tip for polishing. I just got a Sonax Profiline EX04-06 polishing compound, it's specifically designed to get from 2000 grit sanded clear to mirror finish in one step. It's fucking spectacular. Hand polishing with microfiber cloth you get it from totally dull 2000 grit to the most shiny and wet looking clear you've ever seen in like 20 seconds of rubbing. It's like magic. It's expensive, but worth every coin. Best polishing compound I've ever tried, makes everything else useless to me now. It was recommended to me by a guy who polishes cars for a living.
just ordered some, will give it a shot, Thanks man!
The Scalemodeling Channel cool, let me know how you like it
I painted a guitar and then used polishing compound applied with a buffer. My laundry room has a nice line of white spatter all around it now lol.
Nice! Funny to see you use the same stuff I do. Meguiars Scratch X works wonders after wetsanding w. 2000 grit. I polish with foam pads attached to a cordless drill. Less RPM's and less heat. But ultimately the best results I get is with hand rubbing with a microfiber cloth....More labor and time intensive, but less chance of gouging or burn-in.
One step you might also want to include after is then use Mequiars Polishing Glaze!!! It looks like you waxed it, but won't prevent you from being able to apply Bare Metal Foil or detail painting. Just hand rub with a micro fiber and the shine is amazing!
I rarely wax, as it sometimes makes the enamel clear take on a milky appearance...and this is on models that have cured for a year! Yes, I said a year...I mass paint like 10 car bodies at a time on those rare nice days, and store them for the build.
Did you say some models (Paint) you have cured for a year? Did I read that correctly? A year?!!! Is that a typo?
@@catlady8324 The paint didn’t need to cure for a year…It’s just I will gang paint maybe 5 cars at one time, and it might be a year until I get to actually building it. A typical Testors enamel will fully cure for sanding and polishing in about a week or 2.
this video helps remove the mystery of polishing the paint on a model kit. Thanks!
Fantastic video! Going to have to give this a try. This is how they do it on the 1:1 cars, so why not on models too.
This is so calming to watch.
You do beautiful work and your production skills are top notch. What other sanding and polishing products have you used, the ones you use in this video would not have been my first choice . I've been painting models and real cars for over 30 years and one of my golden rules for getting the deepest shine is to use the finest Grit sandpaper you can find, you may think it doesn't make a difference but it does. And your polishing won't take nearly as long with less chance of burn through. Just my opinion love your videos have a great day.
Is it normal car polish you use for your models or is it proper scale model pollish as I'm just starting building the again after a fiew years
I want to this for my gundam but good lord it’s a lot of work. Awesome finish!
Great video! This was a very helpful guide that will make my models look much better.
Excellent! I learn so much from your tips I think I save just about everyone of them in our skills playlist! Thank you so much!..........Mike & Cindy (Whitey).
I have been wondering if I could use a polishing machine I have. I think it is supposed to be for finger nails. I'm going to give it a try. It should speed up doing a body. Thanks for the great information and sharing!
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Thanks for sharing. Happy building!
cool vid im experimenting trying to get metallics super fine because generally they look like 80s ski boats or dunebuggies
Grit per CM versus Grit per square inch? Never thought of that. Funny, isn't it? This is why I (here in the United States) will take it down to 6,000 (or finer) just to be sure. BUT? I don't build many model cars...I have one in my stash that I'm particularly interested in getting right; it's a 1957 Corvette. I have other models to practice on first, of course...but? Your videos are a wealth of information. (You're in Canada? I am guessing from the accent..)...
Another thing: Your techniques of polishing could also be used for airliner builds. I have two Concordes in 1:72 scale, I plan one in "flight", the other in Ground Mode. Thanks for great video content. Helps this old fool learn some new tricks....
Do you use a new/clean wheel for each compound? Provided you note which compound used on the polishing wheel, can you reuse the wheel? Can the wheels be cleaned? Just trying to reduce, reuse, or recycle.
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i still cant achieve the kind of shine using tamiya polish 3 parts.
Great modeling tips.. Thank you
If talking grits the ones your using equate to which in say Tamiya sand papers ? As these seem most commonly around.
Possibly a dumb question. If you don’t have orange peel do you need to wet sand before you polish?
No
Thank you for this great advice!
Question for anyone who can answer?? What is the best way to minimize orange peel and imperfections in the first place, during the painting process?? I get good, color, good clear & shine but just a ton of peel. I am cleaning models, sanding with 600, priming with Zero Grey Filler, dust/light coat on 1st coat and the progressing wetter coats approximately 15 minutes apart, longer before the Zero 2K Clear. Is there something in the painting technique itself I can do to improve results??
With orange peel there are so many possible reasons.
First thing is your setup. Is your pressure too high or low? Find the sweet spot.
Is the paint thinned down enough, or too much?
What are the weather conditions? Painting in cold weather is not ideal.
Is your airbrush good? Needle size too small or large?
Then there is technique. Distance from panel, speed of your strokes, how much overlap between strokes, how heavy you are applying the product.
Painting is not something that you will master overnight
That is awesome...thanks for sharing the techique...
After watching this video it makes perfect sense to polish up to 12,000 grit U.S. then buff it out. thanks for sharing...
mike breazeale 12000 grit eh?
duh...
Your videos are brilliant and informative. I've also been watching your BMW i8 video series so I can learn to use Gravity paints. I recommend that video series for anyone new to car modeling (like me) no matter what paints one chooses.
I noticed you did not polish the three part Gravity clear coat - is it so good that you don't need to polish it or would you still recommend polishing it for best results?
Thanks and keep those videos coming
If the clear does not need polishing, or ver very little, just don't polish it. Polishing is a lot of hard long work and does not always make it better with 2k clears.
Outstanding video, thanks for sharing..Rick
Looks awesome. Thanks for sharing :)
Use a micro fibre cloth will give you a better finish
Great tutorial! I'm getting back into the model car building and the body paint has ALWAYS been a sore spot for me, often having to strip the paint like 3 times and start over. I tried this method on a scrap model and while I'm still working on the painting part of the technique, I'm loving the shine!
Question though: which step would you apply the decals? Would it go between the two clear coats?
Either underneath the clear or in between. But when doing it in between coats it will take a lot longer to do, as the first coat of clear needs a couple days to dry before you can apply the decal. And apply the finish coats of clear.
I lay them on the first coat of clear, dust over them to make sure the paint does not destroy the decal after that the coates can get heavier to level everything out. you don't want bumps where decals are
does that machine have the ability to reverse direction? I bought a cheap nail filing machine with a direction switch that keeps the spatter going away from me im right handed
Mine does not
How long would this finish last before it would need a recoat?
when you look closely into the paint with a flash pointing at it can you notice any noticeable scratches left behind by the tool?
73CABORCA yes
Isprayed my 1/10 57 chevy with some 5yaer old primer is is not drying good seems sticky? Any suggestions? tysm
can i polish with eyeglass cloth and regular auto polish? i believe the tamiya kit are overpriced............will auto polish be too much?
Sure
may i know , i spray clear coat and found that many orange peel, can tell me how to remove orange peel n i spray clear coat already.. thanks
This is all shown in the video ;)
Hey I was wondering where can we find that polishing machine you are using in the video?
p2000 abrasive is the equivalent of 1000. The former being the european standard and latter being the american standard. So numbers being equal, european is coarser. Are your sand papers designated with letter p followed by grit number such as in Tamiya sand papers. Thanks in advance.
They start wirh a P
How many coats do you need of the 2K clear,and how long before you can do the polishing?
2 or 3. A couple days
What is the Clear coat you use o get your cars paint looking the way they do?
You actually done all of this on a coated surface right, not directly over the paint ?
Correct
Does the air temperature and humidity have any effect on causing Orange peel with the clear coats when applied ?
+Steve Gonsalves It probably could yes.
Could you please tell me what kind of compressor / airbrush setup you are using to spray the 2k clear on your model ?
Thank you for your time
Charles
Harder & steenbeck 2 in 1 evo. 0,4mm needle. Eurotech 20A compressor
What is the RPM when power polishing, was it the lighting the finish still looked weird, was it a sparkle paint???
max 2000 rpm, yes its a sparcle paint, see the other car parts ;)
What's the longest you have waited between 2k clear coats? I've sprayed a few coats last weekend but later noticed some spots with orange peel. It looks like clear coat might not be thick enough to sand it out so I was going to put another layer on, but I will only be able to do that this weekend which would make it a week after last coat...
+Andrius Gonestas just sand it lightly, youll be fine, after a week you should be able to add another couple of couts
What is the model number of the Proxxon rotary tool you are using?
did you switch from a elec rotory tool to a mini air tool ?.....Great work as Always
Nope, i just put an attachement on it with a cable
hi, ive painted a knight rider in black. There was a dust particel on the hood. Ive sended it with 1000grid on that tiny spot. Not its totaly dull like you hood. Ive tried it to polish it with my dremel with the same polishing had u use in the video. The spot stays dull no mather how long i hold the polishing head on it. Is it because i have to send it with 1500 and 3000 and so on? OR what is wrong. Im thinking on selling this kit.
Yes you need to sand it with 1500 2000 2500 3000 and so on
and then it will shine again? Because i dont want to spend more money on this kit if it gets worst and worst even more. Bought this polishing heads and now i need to buy this sanding paper......should i make a picture for you so you can estimate it better?
Think this will solve the problem:
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Try using a Polishing Compound...😗
You may have burn through the clear coat on that spot it don't take much maybe even when you wet sand it you could have damage clear coat you may have to reclear coat paint
before you put the ointment polish, sponge soaking first?
+Spyros Siskos Yes
also if you have orange peel on the paint and then add clear its going to be difficult to get the peel out or am i missing the point
+james mccaughey the orange peel will always be in the clear. so it will be just as hard or easy to get out.
Can you polish every color? Is there colors to avoid polishing?
Its not the color you polish. it is the clear coat. Lighter colors will hide the scrathes better then the darker ones.
Great ..Thank you...
Do you have to polish the car when the clear coat is fresh? I have some older models that lost their shine and am wondering if i can polish them again or if i have to aply a new layer of clear coat to polish it safely.
The older the clear the better it is to polish them. the fresher the clear the worst it is to polish it as the clear is not cured fully
The Scalemodeling Channel thank you so much. It really helps me alot
Is that a dremmel?
Rotory tool, yes
sorry if you answered this before, but was this over paint or did you clear coat it beforehand?
This was clearcoated paint
Why would you follow 1500 grit with 1000 grit?
You wouldn’t. I went to 2000
Do you have to use the machine polisher or can I do the polishing stage by hand?
You can
Beautiful
Is this only for 2k clear? Could the same be done for Tamiya or Mr.Hobby clears?
+David Anderson It would work with 1k(tamiya mr.hobby etc) aswell. though you should be more carefull as that paint is a lot softer
i always seem to burn through the paint on the sharper edges. one thing i want to know how long after you paint to you apply the clear coat. and do you not sand the bare paint??? i am sure i cam get a better finish in my kits as what i am getting now. any help would be greatly appreciated. thx
+james mccaughey About an hour after i apply the paint i will clearcoat it. I do not sand the paint.
+The Scalemodeling Channel. ah thanks i thought that would be right but as i jave done what i think ia a fairly decent spray job with the paint i thought i would ask first thanks for your reply
Nice video...thanks for sharing....what clear do you use? Was the orange peal from the paint or from clear? Or both? The rotory tool is that Micromot 50/E Which model has 1000 rpm as I cannot find lower then 5000 RPM Thanks...Warren
+The Real Estate Journey....Your Goals I use Zero paints 2K clear, it was a combination of both paint and clear for the orange peel. Its a micromot 50/e wich has adjustable rpm
+The Real Estate Journey....Your Goals can you adjust this rotary tool to slower then 5000RPM
By just barely turining it on its not on 5000
Ok i don't understand what you mean here ? Can you explain more please thank you
Hi may I ask have you experienced machine polishing the Zero paints Diamond lacquer that you started to use recently.
It works the same way as the normal 2k
Hello, i have a doubt. I recently painted with spray can a Citroen DS, can i polish the bare paint?, i did not apply clear. Thanks in advance
Not advisable
@@TheScalemodelingChannel Thanks a lot! I hope the paint dries well then.
For the decals, did you topcoat them after applying them?
Hirokichi yes
is it safe to paint with Mr Hobby paints and then apply Zero Paints coat? or should I use Zero Paints paints as well?
Toshiro Viera Stalker i would not advise to mix and match paints. To avoid problems stick to 1 brand
thanks for the video
Great job on this one! Could you please tell me what is the name of your little machine? Thanks!
Proxxon
@@TheScalemodelingChannel really? I didn't know that Proxxon made some tiny tools like this. Do you have a reference to find it on internet please?
Not sure if its still available. Have had mine for a couple years
silly question, I have this exact model, with the clear plastic hood. any special way of painting the hood or is it just the same as any other plastic?
gucci lord if you just sand and prime it, you should be fine
Alright. Thanks! +The Scalemodeling Channel
Insane!! Where would I get 12000 grit? I thought 5000 grit is as fine as it gets!
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Hey where did I find that colour as I have been me to paint that's the same :)
+Todd Miller zero paints
Is it possible to clear coat after polishing and waxing the body. Want to clear over bare metal foil.
It is, but it does not make sense. The paint won't shine. The clearcoat will. You can clear over bmf
Had already polished out body when I decided to do the bmf. And I just want to seal the bmf so that it doesn't peel up when cleaning the model for a show.
Don't worry about the bmf peeling up. that will stay down without clear on it;)
what is the liquid that we see? water?
+Mehmet Algan Atilla Yes
does these cars come with removable hood or is that a mod?
The Tamiya versions come with a removable hood and engine.
what model polisher is that and can it be used in the USA
it is a proxxon, i don't know if it is available in the us.
Does this work for standard spray paint? Or do I have to use a special type or brand?
Ginganinja 900 works with spray paint aswell. But you need to be very very carefull as spray paint clear is a lot softer than 2k ckear. It can melt a lot faster when using this method. So be very carefull and don't stay in 1 place for to long with the polisher
Lucky for you, you can buy 2K clear coats in spray paint form today too. They have a little pull tab on the bottom of the can that you pull and it breaks the seal inside the can enabling two containers to basically mix, and you get the exact same clear coat that you would if you bought two separate components, mixed them and used a professional gun to spray. The only downside is that those 2K clear cans are about 3x as expensive as 1K clear coats, and they have to be used within a couple of hours after mixing them for the first time , because the lacquer will basically harden inside the can in a while and you can't spray it anymore. Basically, you'll waste a lot of it unless you're spraying a pretty big area. Still worth it though, because 1K clear coats, never and I repeat, NEVER harden properly. I've had parts painted in many different ways, different thicknesses, different amounts of coats, different sanding and polishing procedures, etc. and none that I managed to spray thick enough to give a deep gloss finish ever dried completely. I'm talking years, after a couple of years of components sitting in the storage I can still feel with my fingernail that the surface is soft. With 2K you'll get rock hard surface after a week of drying.
did u use the normal clear coat for this?
I used normal 2k clear
What are the chances of me getting a finish like this, priming with Vallejo acrylic and then painting with Vallejo metallic paint. Followed by a polish or something? I don't make scale cars, this polishing method has be intrigued though.
Big Gee the vallejo paints will not be able to get a shine like this. They are not as hard of of this quality
Understood, thanks for the reply. I'm trying to avoid buying new materials, I normally build AFV. Going to prime with Vallejo, Paint with Vallejo, and then Gloss Varnish after decals etc. I'm not sure I'll be able to wet sand or wax. Like you said, being it's a water based product it's not as durable. I'm tempted to go full bore but spraying enamel paint makes me really sick, even with a mask :(
+Big Gee you could try to spray he clear from tamiya spray cans. That is polishable and should be safe to use on top of vallejo
Thank you very much for the replies. What products do you suggest to polish the clear coat? Should I just use a cloth and some simple car wax? Or should I use something more abrasive at first and then work back to the cloth? I'm building this particular project for a charity, so I want it to look good.
Big Gee i would use some automotive polishes and a microfiber cloth
Where can I get that polishing tool that would save me a lot of time
+awash2004 A local proxxon dealer or online
+The Scalemodeling Channel OK I'll check online I can get these Proxxon tools at Home Depot
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cool vid and tips
can you tell me the base color? which brand and code? thank you.
zero paints nissan midnight purple
So many thx, I think it's out of stock :/
Nice! Where do you buy your scale cars?
Jensen Estrada ebay, hobby shops, conventions etc etc
Hi! Do you think 5000rpm is too fast? Ive got a Proxxon tool but the slowest speed is 5000...
It is on the fast side. probably still to fast.
The Scalemodeling Channel ok thank you for the answer. I will try and see how it works
The moment viewers realize that model car painting and real car painting follow the same rules, the Eyes widen.
Nice vid man. Hey do you have a store? I mean beside the online shop like a physical store or something
+Luthfie Fadlitama Just the site.
Well then, is there any chance that I can buy your products using cash? I currently reside in Germany for business and I'm planning to visit my uncle in Amsterdam this July, so is there any other way to buy your products? cause man, your shop is amazing! btw I want to buy a lot of paints :D
+Luthfie Fadlitama no problem, just let me know when your ready, or make a bank transfer and i can ship it to your uncle
Awesome, I'll inform you further by email this July, thanks man
Do you know when I can get these?
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Hey Tom, Can you explain me how do you get to 1000 RPM on a Proxxon micromot 50/e ? The spec of the tool at is lowest is 5000 RPM
Power reducer inbetween
Ok and what brand and model do you use ? Thank you for your answer Tom
Don’t know the model. It is from proxxon aswell
I know you use as well the MICROMOT Flexishaft 110/BF, is this the power reducer that you talked about ? cause I'm looking everywhere on their site and can't find any power reducer. I really want to buy your set up, thank you for your help
No: www.proxxon.com/en/micromot/28707.php
Hi Everyone, I know I'm tardy to the party here, but I'm looking for a tool like the Proxxon, but all I can find are tools where the min speed is 5000rpm, can anyone help or make a recommendation?
Either look for a small polishing machine. Or get a power reducer. This will slow it down
What paint did you use on this build?
+Sully McCoy Zero Paints
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does it work on flat finishes?
+real one it works on all shapes
+The Scalemodeling Channel i meant like matte paint
+real one matt paint would become satin, so no not realy
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