I find it quite interesting that you say the MC23 and the MT21 are similar. Of course not the same, but similar. I put the MT21s on my hard enduro bike when I first got it and in the beginning I found them fine, but I soon realised that they had no grip on wet stuff whatsoever. Wet rocks, wet tarmac, wet gravel was a nightmare. Changed them out to some proper hard enduro tires, even tho they aren't even half worn. I thought about putting them on my T7 Extreme and blast them over the motocross track haha. For some hardcore ADV tires I guess the Mitas Trail XT and XT+ might be a good idea. People are absolutely raving about the front of the XT+. I might try them on a long trip through the south-east of europe in two months. Then again, we'll probably be pushing 10k km or more in that trip, so maybe I need something that lasts a bit longer. Ah man the struggles of choosing haha.
Yes, the Mitas Trail XT+ is the bulletproof solid choice. Also the MotoZ is a good one, I heard about it's long lifetime but they say it's too hard and slippery on wet tarmac. Unfortunately I didn't have any of them yet. Since I ride usually on shorter journeys, many one day training days on short offroad tracks, I usually pick a weaker and much cheaper tire, this is why I used the MC23 and MT21. They are similar in the feel on the T7: just a little bit weak for the big bike to ride really hard and fast on it. Even so, they are pretty good for a slower technical trainings. Now I got the 908rr rear, it's much different of the smaller tires. Bites more harder and keeps the big bike much more firm at higher speed rides as well. Also more stable in muddy conditions.
hi so the MT21 I mounted it once on my T 700 (between 2019 and 2023) at the rear in 140/80/18 this tire will have done 2000km not made for a motorcycle of 200kg and more on my AJP PR7 ditto . for the Michelin TRACKER ditto 1400km dead tire studs torn off for the T 700 a MOTOZ DESERT or RALLZ will be much better suited but I have not exceeded 4500km. you must first think about the repair, removing a tire can be hell on certain models such as a MITAS 09 DAKKAR at the rear (MOTOZs are easy to assemble). I just returned from a solo raid in Morocco 3500km +1000km of road or 4500km RALLZ on the AJP. the mileage from one biker to another varies little but 4000km with an MT21 on a T700 is a miracle
I am that miracle rider! =) I put the MT21 on my bike last year September and just replaced it in the end of May. I rode in the autum-winter-spring season 4500km. Since it's OEM T7, I bet it's around 4200kms. I rode one rally on it in Italy, some TET in Italy, several rocky path rides, cca. 1500kms all together, another 1500kms on sand and mud and dirtroads, and the rest, cca. 1500kms on tarmac. I ride easy on tarmac, and yes, I got traction control and ABS in my hands. :) Also I am not riding too slow or easy on the bike offroad, you can see it in my other videos. And to sum all together: If I would ride the rocky roads of Morocco, I'd never pick this small tire, it wouldn't last long for sure. MotoZ, Mitas or Dunlop might be my pick as well for sure.
@@braapt7 once again I am surprised, having been riding off road since 1995 on different single, two-cylinder motorcycles, all trails, I never exceeded 4500/5000km and even then they were at the end of their life, but often the return is on the road. the only person I know who is a friend and we did the TET PORTUGAL from France, i.e. 1600KM for the TET and the rest of the road, i.e. a total of 4600km in 2022 I was then with my T700 and he with a KM 690E both equipped with MOTOZ DESERT my rear tire was dead and his was 70% worn. But to be honest it drives much more quietly. I specify that for the MOTOZ DESERT, RALLZ, ADVENTURE I mounted them in 140/80/18 which is not the original dimension which is 150/70/18. the price is significantly more expensive in this dimension. In any case, congratulations for this achievement.
Thank you so much! ✋🙂 And yes... the higher price range was why I picked the 140/80 r18 tires too. Since 1995 is a pretty nice and long experience! Unfortunately I had not much chance to participate on long time long distance adventures yet on rocky mountains like the Balkan or Morocco or Spain-Portugal, but I am sure for that journey I would pick the MotoZ or the Mitas tire for the terrain. Maybe the Dunlop 908rr, but definitely not the MT21 for the T7. :D
Yes, they are, indeed! However, I was curious how it works with the big T7. And no wonder... they are a bit weak for her. :D But - as I sad in the video - if you are in no rush, and want just ride off road, focusing on technical rides, and not to destroy a super expensive tire, it can be a nice cheaper solution. It's manageable.
I have the MT21 front with a Michelin Anakee Wild rear on my 2009 990 Adventure (on slimmer off road rims and the 140/18 dimension) and they have been extremely steady on the tarmac albeit the dry kind. Every knob on the side of the tire is used and worn, that's how good they turn (in these dimensions on my bike). On the wet the rear is almost unrideable which was a sock to me as I've grown to become very smooth with the throttle and the tire is quite soft. From those two the Pirelli is the harder compound and, in fact, I predict 3 rears to 1 front without me ridding like an absolute hooligan. However the MT21 front doesn't slip that much in the wet whereas the soft Michelin does (?). I might get the TKC80 rear next which I expect to last more than the 3K kms the Michelin lasted. The MT21s are basically a dual sport tire for medium weight motorcycles and I have previously fitted them on a 640 Adventure (a great fit there) and my current 500EXC which, I might say, weren't the best of experiences (especially the rear - the front is always good but there are better tires, in general, for lighter bikes like the 500EXC - enter Metzeler Six Days Extreme medium or the MIchelin Enduro F.I.M series tires).
Thank you for the info! ✋🙂 Yes, I got about the same feelings about this tire. And as you did, I just dropped the rear, left the front one for another few thousand kilometers. I just put the Dunlop 908RR rear, and it's much better on this big bike as the MT21 was - for obvious reasons. Earlier I had the TKC80 on my other bike, but I wasn't satisfied with it. In mud and deep sand it was troublesome for me. Also the compound was somehow strange. Soft, but same time it cracked all over around the knobs. 🤷♀️
@@braapt7 Ok, I thank you back. The 908 was my other choise and a friend has been using it but again on a ligter bike than my 990 (a CRF 300 Rally) with excellent results. I might go that way and try the Dunlop.
Sure thing! The 990 is just a bit heavier than the T7, so if you ride a lot offroad but you need to ride to the tracks on longer tarmac ride, the 908 might be a nice choice. Especially when you ride on loose terrain. IMHO much better than the TKC80. And yes, CRF 300 Rally is not this league. :D It's just... a nice beginner bike. Single cylinder with no power and relative heavy weight combination. =)
@@braapt7 Sssshhhh! My buddy doesn't like that description. He thinks he's Graham Jarvis (until he reaches a very steep and erroded incline in which case he bestows that persona to me, so I ride his bike and get it over the obstacle!). The things we go through to ride...
Good discussion. What other tires and combinations have you tried? I am considering Motoz Tractionator Adventure rear with Dual Venture front for my Desert X. I am certainly not at your level of riding, but I do appreciate hearing what combinations people use.
Desert X, wow, what a legendary bike! I love it, congratulations. 💪😎 I used all the time full sets, this is my first mixed combination with tires. I just left the Pirelli MT 21 front, and put the Dunlop 908rr rear. Review comes later. ^^ Earlier I got Mitas mostly. I liked the MC23 Rockrider. Front was all right, but rear was a bit weak in sand and mud. No wonder, it's a Rockrider. :) I also got the E07. I really didn't like it in any circumstances. It was slippery on wet tarmac due hard compound, it was inferior in mud and deep sand compared to the other tires I used. The only advantage, it is sturdy and lives forever. :D I also got the TKC80... well, much better than E07, but worse than the others. These two will never come back on my wheels. And yes, MotoZ is my other choice, once I'll try the Desert version of that one later. I love the huge knobs! :D And if I'd live in the US I'd try the Tusk tires. They look pretty solid.
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I find it quite interesting that you say the MC23 and the MT21 are similar. Of course not the same, but similar. I put the MT21s on my hard enduro bike when I first got it and in the beginning I found them fine, but I soon realised that they had no grip on wet stuff whatsoever. Wet rocks, wet tarmac, wet gravel was a nightmare. Changed them out to some proper hard enduro tires, even tho they aren't even half worn. I thought about putting them on my T7 Extreme and blast them over the motocross track haha.
For some hardcore ADV tires I guess the Mitas Trail XT and XT+ might be a good idea. People are absolutely raving about the front of the XT+. I might try them on a long trip through the south-east of europe in two months. Then again, we'll probably be pushing 10k km or more in that trip, so maybe I need something that lasts a bit longer. Ah man the struggles of choosing haha.
Yes, the Mitas Trail XT+ is the bulletproof solid choice. Also the MotoZ is a good one, I heard about it's long lifetime but they say it's too hard and slippery on wet tarmac. Unfortunately I didn't have any of them yet.
Since I ride usually on shorter journeys, many one day training days on short offroad tracks, I usually pick a weaker and much cheaper tire, this is why I used the MC23 and MT21.
They are similar in the feel on the T7: just a little bit weak for the big bike to ride really hard and fast on it. Even so, they are pretty good for a slower technical trainings. Now I got the 908rr rear, it's much different of the smaller tires. Bites more harder and keeps the big bike much more firm at higher speed rides as well. Also more stable in muddy conditions.
hi so the MT21 I mounted it once on my T 700 (between 2019 and 2023) at the rear in 140/80/18 this tire will have done 2000km not made for a motorcycle of 200kg and more on my AJP PR7 ditto . for the Michelin TRACKER ditto 1400km dead tire studs torn off for the T 700 a MOTOZ DESERT or RALLZ will be much better suited but I have not exceeded 4500km. you must first think about the repair, removing a tire can be hell on certain models such as a MITAS 09 DAKKAR at the rear (MOTOZs are easy to assemble). I just returned from a solo raid in Morocco 3500km +1000km of road or 4500km RALLZ on the AJP.
the mileage from one biker to another varies little but 4000km with an MT21 on a T700 is a miracle
I am that miracle rider! =) I put the MT21 on my bike last year September and just replaced it in the end of May. I rode in the autum-winter-spring season 4500km. Since it's OEM T7, I bet it's around 4200kms.
I rode one rally on it in Italy, some TET in Italy, several rocky path rides, cca. 1500kms all together, another 1500kms on sand and mud and dirtroads, and the rest, cca. 1500kms on tarmac.
I ride easy on tarmac, and yes, I got traction control and ABS in my hands. :)
Also I am not riding too slow or easy on the bike offroad, you can see it in my other videos.
And to sum all together: If I would ride the rocky roads of Morocco, I'd never pick this small tire, it wouldn't last long for sure. MotoZ, Mitas or Dunlop might be my pick as well for sure.
@@braapt7 once again I am surprised, having been riding off road since 1995 on different single, two-cylinder motorcycles,
all trails, I never exceeded 4500/5000km and even then they were at the end of their life, but often the return is on the road.
the only person I know who is a friend and we did the TET PORTUGAL from France, i.e. 1600KM for the TET and the rest of the road, i.e. a total of 4600km in 2022 I was then with my T700 and he with a KM 690E both equipped with MOTOZ DESERT my rear tire was dead and his was 70% worn. But to be honest it drives much more quietly. I specify that for the MOTOZ DESERT, RALLZ, ADVENTURE I mounted them in 140/80/18 which is not the original dimension which is 150/70/18.
the price is significantly more expensive in this dimension.
In any case, congratulations for this achievement.
Thank you so much! ✋🙂 And yes... the higher price range was why I picked the 140/80 r18 tires too. Since 1995 is a pretty nice and long experience!
Unfortunately I had not much chance to participate on long time long distance adventures yet on rocky mountains like the Balkan or Morocco or Spain-Portugal, but I am sure for that journey I would pick the MotoZ or the Mitas tire for the terrain. Maybe the Dunlop 908rr, but definitely not the MT21 for the T7. :D
Ive run these on a crf450L and liked them. Think theyre more appropriate for a smaller bike.
Yes, they are, indeed! However, I was curious how it works with the big T7. And no wonder... they are a bit weak for her. :D
But - as I sad in the video - if you are in no rush, and want just ride off road, focusing on technical rides, and not to destroy a super expensive tire, it can be a nice cheaper solution. It's manageable.
I have the MT21 front with a Michelin Anakee Wild rear on my 2009 990 Adventure (on slimmer off road rims and the 140/18 dimension) and they have been extremely steady on the tarmac albeit the dry kind. Every knob on the side of the tire is used and worn, that's how good they turn (in these dimensions on my bike).
On the wet the rear is almost unrideable which was a sock to me as I've grown to become very smooth with the throttle and the tire is quite soft.
From those two the Pirelli is the harder compound and, in fact, I predict 3 rears to 1 front without me ridding like an absolute hooligan. However the MT21 front doesn't slip that much in the wet whereas the soft Michelin does (?).
I might get the TKC80 rear next which I expect to last more than the 3K kms the Michelin lasted.
The MT21s are basically a dual sport tire for medium weight motorcycles and I have previously fitted them on a 640 Adventure (a great fit there) and my current 500EXC which, I might say, weren't the best of experiences (especially the rear - the front is always good but there are better tires, in general, for lighter bikes like the 500EXC - enter Metzeler Six Days Extreme medium or the MIchelin Enduro F.I.M series tires).
Thank you for the info! ✋🙂
Yes, I got about the same feelings about this tire. And as you did, I just dropped the rear, left the front one for another few thousand kilometers.
I just put the Dunlop 908RR rear, and it's much better on this big bike as the MT21 was - for obvious reasons.
Earlier I had the TKC80 on my other bike, but I wasn't satisfied with it. In mud and deep sand it was troublesome for me. Also the compound was somehow strange. Soft, but same time it cracked all over around the knobs. 🤷♀️
@@braapt7 Ok, I thank you back. The 908 was my other choise and a friend has been using it but again on a ligter bike than my 990 (a CRF 300 Rally) with excellent results. I might go that way and try the Dunlop.
Sure thing! The 990 is just a bit heavier than the T7, so if you ride a lot offroad but you need to ride to the tracks on longer tarmac ride, the 908 might be a nice choice. Especially when you ride on loose terrain. IMHO much better than the TKC80.
And yes, CRF 300 Rally is not this league. :D It's just... a nice beginner bike. Single cylinder with no power and relative heavy weight combination. =)
@@braapt7 Sssshhhh! My buddy doesn't like that description. He thinks he's Graham Jarvis (until he reaches a very steep and erroded incline in which case he bestows that persona to me, so I ride his bike and get it over the obstacle!). The things we go through to ride...
🤣🤣🤣 In this case, I just hush-hush, I won't tell him, promise! Go Jarvis, go!😀👍
(btw. "Do you want to live forever?" /Jump!/ =) )
Good discussion. What other tires and combinations have you tried? I am considering Motoz Tractionator Adventure rear with Dual Venture front for my Desert X. I am certainly not at your level of riding, but I do appreciate hearing what combinations people use.
Desert X, wow, what a legendary bike! I love it, congratulations. 💪😎
I used all the time full sets, this is my first mixed combination with tires. I just left the Pirelli MT 21 front, and put the Dunlop 908rr rear. Review comes later. ^^
Earlier I got Mitas mostly. I liked the MC23 Rockrider. Front was all right, but rear was a bit weak in sand and mud. No wonder, it's a Rockrider. :)
I also got the E07. I really didn't like it in any circumstances. It was slippery on wet tarmac due hard compound, it was inferior in mud and deep sand compared to the other tires I used. The only advantage, it is sturdy and lives forever. :D
I also got the TKC80... well, much better than E07, but worse than the others. These two will never come back on my wheels.
And yes, MotoZ is my other choice, once I'll try the Desert version of that one later. I love the huge knobs! :D And if I'd live in the US I'd try the Tusk tires. They look pretty solid.
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