Ha. Loved this. It was great to meet you both and especially enjoyed the extra spice of the triple Sub 20 chase. I don't look at my watch to check pace, more because it's just there and it's some numbers to distract me from the discomfort. We're sure you've both got Sub 20s and far beyond in you given the right circumstances. Solidarity with the virus, you might have heard me sounding croaky on our VoiceOver! Hope to meet again in the future. We must get to Arrow Valley!
In hindsight I probably should have sat just behind you John, and seen how long I could have held on for. I think I may have already started with the cold that day as Rory went downhill that afternoon. He’s bounced back but almost 2 weeks and I’m still feeling off. But on the plus side, I’d rather have this now than a week before the marathon. Lots of bugs this winter having caused havoc to some training plans. Hope you’re all recovered from your marathons and settling into making some running plans for the summer, and yes, if you’re ever at Arrow Valley, you must let us know 😁
@@Mack.Tracks -everyone raves about this one 😁 I like it but it still has a mini ‘hill’. It’s fast so expect a good time…. Good Luck! Plus, well done at Stratford yesterday 🙌
Thanks Neil. John sent me some of his footage from when I was in front so thought I’d have a go with the double view. It actually nearly wrecked the edit as my software couldn’t cope with the overlay (I edit on my phone). After several hours of taking the video apart, and re-doing it I got it to work. Least I know how not to do it next time 🤣
Great video. Two sets of my favourite TH-camrs together in one video. Hope you both get over the cold and calf strain soon. Saw somewhere that the Newport Marathon was a long course by almost 300m. You obviously did better than your official time. You inspire me to get over this knee injury and get out there running again. Take care.
Thanks John, yes, Newport measured long and my adjusted time was 3:14:05 so just 6 seconds off the A goal 😁 Hope you get to see some improvements with your knee soon Peter 😊
Hope you guys feel better. Those calf strains can take a while to heal. I do believe the super shoes and low profile shoes put a strain on the calf muscle / Achilles areas. I know I got a calf strain eons ago a few days before a full marathon -- suffice to say I didn't run that marathon that year. It took a good 3 to 4 weeks for it to be 100%. None the less a fantastic time for you. I've done a few 5Ks of late and will be sticking to that distance. My training / health issues have totally derailed my fitness of late so it might be a while before I can get back into longer distance stuff. Just happy to be able to be running what I can and still making a somewhat competitively showing. Cool video and hope you guys get back to 100% soon!
Hi Eddie, sorry to hear training and health has taken a bit of a dip. Good to hear that you’re still able to keep going with the shorter distances though. Whenever I’ve been injured or life’s got in the way, even something is better than nothing. 5ks are a brilliant way to keep the fitness/ training going. Both Rory and I are both very prone to picking up calf injuries. Unfortunately it’s his turn at the moment. We think it was probably due to not having enough recovery after the marathon, but it could have equally been the race day trainers putting extra stress on the legs. His calf is improving but it’s frustratingly slow 🫤
@@racheld1844 Yeah I got my first bout of Achilles tendonitis after my first marathon, so I know what you mean about marathons impacting that area. I've lost about a full minute on my 5K time in the last 4 - 6 weeks. I think it is some meds that I've been on. So trying to sort that out. I have either deferred all my half marathons or switched to a shorter distance. I absolutely have no endurance right now and it seems to be a common side effect. Hopefully I can get that sorted out. Very frustrating!
@@runningoneddie - Do you just like to run, or would you be able to top up with a bit of cross training? Rory ended up getting into triathlon because he was fed up of his running injuries stopping him training. If you can still run some shorter distances, then you could reduce the endurance loss by topping it up with a bit of cycling or even swimming. I’m not too good with getting the cross training in when I’m injured, I always feel it’s not as good but it’s something to tide me over till I can get back to it 🙂
@@racheld1844 I keep telling myself I need to cross train especially at times like these. I have a physical therapy routine I do but it isn't endurance based. I live right next to the running trail so making the effort to drive to the gym to cross train (and actually pay for it) causes me to lose interest. I know I should get on a bike or elliptical but making that extra effort has been a bit of a lift for me. I am running 6 days a week still but keeping the mileage at 6 or less.
Cheers Rachel. Great video. Really nice that you could all meet up. Bet John felt like he was being hunted - it was a proper battle royale. Can’t believe that sub 20 has still eluded you. It will happen soon - when it does, more sub 20’s will follow.
Thanks Colin. John definitely deserved to be the winner, he was far more graceful than I was 😁 Yes, still waiting for a 19 something 5k. Not any time soon unfortunately. With a lingering cold and some races that will be more endurance based, I may be to wait a bit longer 🙂
Aiming to run hard at parkrun while being 6 days post marathon... why does that sound familiar? Probably because I'm about to be guilty of it this week.
It’s hard to hold off getting back out there again 😁 I always look back at my 5k times from previous years and see it’s doable to go hard for a short effort. What I don’t recommend is 2 hard marathons so close 🤣 Which marathon did you run?
@@racheld1844 Leiden in the Netherlands. My first marathon, and during a freak heat wave in 26C heat. It didn't exactly go to plan 🤣(although I did finish). I'm maybe looking to vent some frustration at a more manageable distance.
@@marcusgrainger3329 - spring and autumn races can throw up any kind of weather, usually the opposite to what the training months have been like. 16/17° feels like a heat wave when it’s the first warmth of the year so 26 must have felt baking. Good luck with your 5k Marcus, don’t give yourself an illness or injury 😁
Thank you! We should pop down to Stratford on day for a challenge of some time. I was wondering, is Stratford parkrun all path now? When we went to watch the marathon, there was some new path laid near to where the runners finish. Does that take the grassy bit out from the top corner? 🤔
Thanks Stu. I get some good results on the week before and the 2-3 weeks after my marathons. Walsall was 1 week after, I was full of a cold last weekend (which was a shame because we were at a very fast parkrun) and then this weekend we have a race so I might have missed my 5k peak for a bit 😕
I agree, the course has measured exact on the 3 times I’ve run there and as it has 2 up hills and 3 down hills, it’s a very fast run to the finish. It’s the 12th fastest in the country and my fastest 3 times in the last 6 months have all been on this course…. Sold it to you yet??😁
@Dmasson14 - you’re a seasoned nightshift worker, you’ll be fine with one early start 😁 (we normally leave at 7:30 to get there, 35 min drive and with a 2 mile warm up and toilet stop, there’s plenty of time to get your bearings and go to the first timers briefing)
Hi. I ran 11 seconds faster at Alexandra the week before but given the extra drive to get to Walsall it was pretty much what I expected. It's fast because apart from the gentle turnaround it is a rhythm runners' course. You can get good momentum and keep it there.
He’s on the mend still. Two short runs but not really ready to push the speed just yet. We’re both as bad as each other, we have no patience and probably don’t wait as long as we should 🙂
@@racheld1844 I'm just coming out of a hamstring ordeal that had been going on for months. I know exactly about the angst that occurs when we suddenly can't run!
@@racheld1844 I tried one and got 33 seconds away. The speed block was 6 weeks and I was gutted after it! I am just going to keep trying and it will happen. 🤣
@@bh4560 Ditto on the training block. I did a block last autumn and ended up pulling my calf. Then I just got slower again when I was fixed so didn’t even get the sub 20. Yep, all we can do it keep turning up and hopefully by a freak of nature it’ll happen 😁
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Ha. Loved this. It was great to meet you both and especially enjoyed the extra spice of the triple Sub 20 chase. I don't look at my watch to check pace, more because it's just there and it's some numbers to distract me from the discomfort. We're sure you've both got Sub 20s and far beyond in you given the right circumstances. Solidarity with the virus, you might have heard me sounding croaky on our VoiceOver! Hope to meet again in the future. We must get to Arrow Valley!
In hindsight I probably should have sat just behind you John, and seen how long I could have held on for. I think I may have already started with the cold that day as Rory went downhill that afternoon. He’s bounced back but almost 2 weeks and I’m still feeling off. But on the plus side, I’d rather have this now than a week before the marathon. Lots of bugs this winter having caused havoc to some training plans.
Hope you’re all recovered from your marathons and settling into making some running plans for the summer, and yes, if you’re ever at Arrow Valley, you must let us know 😁
I’ll give this a go this weekend, if everything goes to plan. Cheers for showcasing the course!
@@Mack.Tracks -everyone raves about this one 😁 I like it but it still has a mini ‘hill’. It’s fast so expect a good time…. Good Luck! Plus, well done at Stratford yesterday 🙌
Well done! A superb run, especially so soon after a marathon! 👏
Thank you! Yes, probably a bit soon but was determined not to miss out on seeing John and Dawn 😁
Great video really enjoyed it. Amazing pace.
Thanks 🙏 it’s been a while since I ran that fast. In fact I think that was the last time I ran that fast 🤦🏻♀️
Great running and vid Rachel, brilliant time and a great looking parkrun. Good on John for going sub 20 👏👏
John was pleased to have another sub 20 run. I need to learn from his pacing experience, or better still, just run faster myself 😁
Great vid, Rachel. I love the 2 camera view. Well done to yourself and Rory and John of course. I hope Rory's calf is OK. 20:24 well done. 👌
Thanks Neil. John sent me some of his footage from when I was in front so thought I’d have a go with the double view. It actually nearly wrecked the edit as my software couldn’t cope with the overlay (I edit on my phone). After several hours of taking the video apart, and re-doing it I got it to work. Least I know how not to do it next time 🤣
Great video. Two sets of my favourite TH-camrs together in one video. Hope you both get over the cold and calf strain soon. Saw somewhere that the Newport Marathon was a long course by almost 300m. You obviously did better than your official time. You inspire me to get over this knee injury and get out there running again. Take care.
Thanks John, yes, Newport measured long and my adjusted time was 3:14:05 so just 6 seconds off the A goal 😁 Hope you get to see some improvements with your knee soon Peter 😊
Hope you guys feel better. Those calf strains can take a while to heal. I do believe the super shoes and low profile shoes put a strain on the calf muscle / Achilles areas. I know I got a calf strain eons ago a few days before a full marathon -- suffice to say I didn't run that marathon that year. It took a good 3 to 4 weeks for it to be 100%. None the less a fantastic time for you. I've done a few 5Ks of late and will be sticking to that distance. My training / health issues have totally derailed my fitness of late so it might be a while before I can get back into longer distance stuff. Just happy to be able to be running what I can and still making a somewhat competitively showing. Cool video and hope you guys get back to 100% soon!
Hi Eddie, sorry to hear training and health has taken a bit of a dip. Good to hear that you’re still able to keep going with the shorter distances though. Whenever I’ve been injured or life’s got in the way, even something is better than nothing. 5ks are a brilliant way to keep the fitness/ training going.
Both Rory and I are both very prone to picking up calf injuries. Unfortunately it’s his turn at the moment. We think it was probably due to not having enough recovery after the marathon, but it could have equally been the race day trainers putting extra stress on the legs. His calf is improving but it’s frustratingly slow 🫤
@@racheld1844 Yeah I got my first bout of Achilles tendonitis after my first marathon, so I know what you mean about marathons impacting that area. I've lost about a full minute on my 5K time in the last 4 - 6 weeks. I think it is some meds that I've been on. So trying to sort that out. I have either deferred all my half marathons or switched to a shorter distance. I absolutely have no endurance right now and it seems to be a common side effect. Hopefully I can get that sorted out. Very frustrating!
@@runningoneddie - Do you just like to run, or would you be able to top up with a bit of cross training? Rory ended up getting into triathlon because he was fed up of his running injuries stopping him training. If you can still run some shorter distances, then you could reduce the endurance loss by topping it up with a bit of cycling or even swimming. I’m not too good with getting the cross training in when I’m injured, I always feel it’s not as good but it’s something to tide me over till I can get back to it 🙂
@@racheld1844 I keep telling myself I need to cross train especially at times like these. I have a physical therapy routine I do but it isn't endurance based. I live right next to the running trail so making the effort to drive to the gym to cross train (and actually pay for it) causes me to lose interest. I know I should get on a bike or elliptical but making that extra effort has been a bit of a lift for me. I am running 6 days a week still but keeping the mileage at 6 or less.
Cheers Rachel. Great video. Really nice that you could all meet up.
Bet John felt like he was being hunted - it was a proper battle royale.
Can’t believe that sub 20 has still eluded you. It will happen soon - when it does, more sub 20’s will follow.
Thanks Colin. John definitely deserved to be the winner, he was far more graceful than I was 😁
Yes, still waiting for a 19 something 5k. Not any time soon unfortunately. With a lingering cold and some races that will be more endurance based, I may be to wait a bit longer 🙂
Great running all, including that first lady who sped past at the end 👍🏻
Hopefully your co-conspirator gets over his calf niggle soon 😅
Thanks Mark, yes, her speed was phenomenal. When she came alongside me I thought I could stay with her, but I had no chance 🤣
Aiming to run hard at parkrun while being 6 days post marathon... why does that sound familiar? Probably because I'm about to be guilty of it this week.
It’s hard to hold off getting back out there again 😁 I always look back at my 5k times from previous years and see it’s doable to go hard for a short effort. What I don’t recommend is 2 hard marathons so close 🤣
Which marathon did you run?
@@racheld1844 Leiden in the Netherlands. My first marathon, and during a freak heat wave in 26C heat. It didn't exactly go to plan 🤣(although I did finish). I'm maybe looking to vent some frustration at a more manageable distance.
@@marcusgrainger3329 - spring and autumn races can throw up any kind of weather, usually the opposite to what the training months have been like. 16/17° feels like a heat wave when it’s the first warmth of the year so 26 must have felt baking. Good luck with your 5k Marcus, don’t give yourself an illness or injury 😁
What an awesome collab 🔥🔥👊👊 Great work
Thank you! We should pop down to Stratford on day for a challenge of some time.
I was wondering, is Stratford parkrun all path now? When we went to watch the marathon, there was some new path laid near to where the runners finish. Does that take the grassy bit out from the top corner? 🤔
@@racheld1844sounds like an excellent idea 🤪 sadly the first part of each lap is grass 😅😂
Amazing running. How you ran that pace a week later 😮 Super impressed 👌
Thanks Stu. I get some good results on the week before and the 2-3 weeks after my marathons. Walsall was 1 week after, I was full of a cold last weekend (which was a shame because we were at a very fast parkrun) and then this weekend we have a race so I might have missed my 5k peak for a bit 😕
Feel better soon, both!
Rory’s stopped coughing but I’m still full of congestion 🤧
A great effort Rachel just 6 days after a marathon. I'm sure that sub 20 5K will come soon.
Thanks Geoff. I can’t believe how many times I’ve been close 😁
“I don’t know where he is!”
It’s like some very obscure horror movie!
Rory hadn’t seen the edit till it was finished, he was mortified I made it look like we were conspiring against John 🤣🤣
@@racheld1844 it's ok I had my own spy out on the course 🙂
@@tworunningbrooms 🤣🤣
Would you say that this course is faster than AVPR?
A few people said to me that it measures short. Did you find this to be the case?
The course is pretty spot on distance wise .
It’s much quicker than AV , imo , the down hill finish is a big plus .
I agree, the course has measured exact on the 3 times I’ve run there and as it has 2 up hills and 3 down hills, it’s a very fast run to the finish. It’s the 12th fastest in the country and my fastest 3 times in the last 6 months have all been on this course…. Sold it to you yet??😁
@@racheld1844 Very much so. I'd need to get up early to make the 9am start though 😬
@Dmasson14 - you’re a seasoned nightshift worker, you’ll be fine with one early start 😁 (we normally leave at 7:30 to get there, 35 min drive and with a 2 mile warm up and toilet stop, there’s plenty of time to get your bearings and go to the first timers briefing)
Hi. I ran 11 seconds faster at Alexandra the week before but given the extra drive to get to Walsall it was pretty much what I expected. It's fast because apart from the gentle turnaround it is a rhythm runners' course. You can get good momentum and keep it there.
Tell Rory that I hope his calf heals up soon. Such an annoying injury 🤕
He’s on the mend still. Two short runs but not really ready to push the speed just yet. We’re both as bad as each other, we have no patience and probably don’t wait as long as we should 🙂
@@racheld1844 I'm just coming out of a hamstring ordeal that had been going on for months. I know exactly about the angst that occurs when we suddenly can't run!
Good luck with the recovery. Days is bad enough, weeks sounds awful, but months 😱
I hate 20 minutes! But one day! One day! 😂
One day! I think I might have to bite the bullet and actually do a 5k training block, it might be the only way to crack this 😁
@@racheld1844 I tried one and got 33 seconds away. The speed block was 6 weeks and I was gutted after it! I am just going to keep trying and it will happen. 🤣
@@bh4560 Ditto on the training block. I did a block last autumn and ended up pulling my calf. Then I just got slower again when I was fixed so didn’t even get the sub 20. Yep, all we can do it keep turning up and hopefully by a freak of nature it’ll happen 😁